I think I might have a problem

[Insaniac2]

Escorts. For about a year now, I've been seeing them once a month. We're talking $200 to $300/hr in most cases, and always via eros. While I can look back and say that yes, they were all hot and I enjoyed it thoroughly each time, this has to stop. The money isn't an issue, but the obvious others come to mind. I have become extremely lazy in regards to pursuing normal women and rarely even bother anymore. I can't even remember the last time I ventured out into any sort of social gathering/atmosphere that wasn't work related.

[Ender120]

Escorts. For about a year now, I've been seeing them once a month. We're talking $200 to $300/hr in most cases, and always via eros. While I can look back and say that yes, they were all hot and I enjoyed it thoroughly each time, this has to stop. The money isn't an issue, but the obvious others come to mind. I have become extremely lazy in regards to pursuing normal women and rarely even bother anymore. I can't even remember the last time I ventured out into any sort of social gathering/atmosphere that wasn't work related.

So you have money to blow on gorgeous, willing women, and that's a problem?


I'll tell you what one of my co-workers said (and he probably heard it from somewhere, since he's not very creative):

"I'm not paying a hooker to have sex with me. I'm paying her to leave afterwards."



Normal women can be bitchy, moody, and one nagging pain in the ass.

"Escorts" please.



EDIT: For all three ladies on SRK (Viscant included): <3

[Biggzy]

Escorts. For about a year now, I've been seeing them once a month. We're talking $200 to $300/hr in most cases, and always via eros. While I can look back and say that yes, they were all hot and I enjoyed it thoroughly each time, this has to stop. The money isn't an issue, but the obvious others come to mind. I have become extremely lazy in regards to pursuing normal women and rarely even bother anymore. I can't even remember the last time I ventured out into any sort of social gathering/atmosphere that wasn't work related.

^ That is fucking awesome.

OP: Are you talking about escorts as in, those who accompany you out to dinner and stuff? Or prostitutes? lol.

[Monte]

so you're the one from this thread?! http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154777 :rofl:

[Figcoinc]

Well...

1) You recognize the issue.

2) You avoided any preg traps or burning sensation disease.

3) You want to change.

First you are working to much if your only outtings are work related. Second, you need to get friends outside work to make this happen. Third, you need to realize your a big pussy.

Why is three so shocking? Reason is ask yourself why you went to escorts to begin with. Not just once, but going back regularly. Something scared you about going for normal woman. It could be fear of rejection, unwillingness to spend the time needed, or simply afraid of commitment if you actually like the girl for more than one night stand.

Sure you can say I busy or lazy, but so are millions others that still get normal dates. So again ask yourself why. You will most likely realize your being a pussy about something, and that is the key.

[ThePurpleBunny]

so you're the one from this thread?! http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154777 :rofl:

This is my question exactly.

[Raziel321]

holy shit, now this is epic :cybot:

*subscribes*

[Insaniac2]

so you're the one from this thread?! http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154777 :rofl:

:rofl: I'm on the north side and don't go for the Asians often.

[Manx]

So... is that syringe in your AV for your H.I.V. shots?

[Demon Dash]

I'll tell you what one of my co-workers said (and he probably heard it from somewhere, since he's not very creative):

"I'm not paying a hooker to have sex with me. I'm paying her to leave afterwards."



Normal women can be bitchy, moody, and one nagging pain in the ass.

"Escorts" please.



EDIT: For all three ladies on SRK (Viscant included): <3
:pray:

[Insaniac2]

Well...

1) You recognize the issue.

2) You avoided any preg traps or burning sensation disease.

3) You want to change.

First you are working to much if your only outtings are work related. Second, you need to get friends outside work to make this happen. Third, you need to realize your a big pussy.

Why is three so shocking? Reason is ask yourself why you went to escorts to begin with. Not just once, but going back regularly. Something scared you about going for normal woman. It could be fear of rejection, unwillingness to spend the time needed, or simply afraid of commitment if you actually like the girl for more than one night stand.

Sure you can say I busy or lazy, but so are millions others that still get normal dates. So again ask yourself why. You will most likely realize your being a pussy about something, and that is the key.

I'd say it's a combination of the first two reasons. I never liked going out and spending time and money only to come back empty-handed.

[Derez-]

Ahem....New to the Houston area.

Where can i buy/find the womens?!

[RyuHikaru]

so you're the one from this thread?! http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154777 :rofl:

Instant win if that were the case. D:

[DoublexxCyclone]

I'd say it's a combination of the first two reasons. I never liked going out and spending time and money only to come back empty-handed.

Dude, if you go to clubs with that kind of expectations then of course you're gonna be disappointed. Here's a trick that will get you over that real quick. Go to the club/ lounge/ bar and approach a bunch of women and ACTUALLY TRY to get rejected. You'll get over it quick especially if you do it for like two weeks. After that you can just work on your game when you're not a nervous pussy anymore.

Also, general guidelines for gaming

1) Be groomed and wear clothes from this decade.
2) It's not what you say but how you say it. i.e. body language, tone of voice, and voice projection.
3) Try not to look like that guy who walks around with a drink in hand and looks around like a predator.
4) Be patient, there are no magic potions, its just you going out there, wanting to do something about it.

[Ne0phyte]

snip
You're back??!

... mow my lawn.

[Gord]

I can't even write words for this..just

http://i29.tinypic.com/2qbylpw.gif

[Biggzy]

I can't even write words for this..just

http://i29.tinypic.com/2qbylpw.gif

Yay, we finally got you in the red

[Mr. Bastos]

So you have money to blow on gorgeous, willing women, and that's a problem?


I'll tell you what one of my co-workers said (and he probably heard it from somewhere, since he's not very creative):

"I'm not paying a hooker to have sex with me. I'm paying her to leave afterwards

yeah..I think I remember that from four brothers..either way it's a dope quote

[SNAAAAKE]

well..Id say get tested and stop while you can. you can EASILY catch random shit even if you are using protection. just a friendly advice.

[fishjie]

wtf there are now 3 hooker threads on the front page, including this one:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=158698

are you the slimy mofo that bangs asian hookers in houston?
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154777

anywho, i don't see what the problem is. i'm assuming you can afford to see them. i've become a huge fan of hookers as well, as you can see in my posts in those two other hooker threads.

ps: you use eros? really? a lot of those girls are bait and switch or upsellers. i dont feel safe seeing anyone that hasnt been reviewed on a local or national review board.

[Gord]

Ooogie foogie moooo mommy look at me!!!

Off yourself please for your inability to get off my dick

http://i28.tinypic.com/30922jm.gif

Fuck, why can't you just die, you're like a herpes sore.

[TS]

http://sash.net/content/view/26/61/

[SNAAAAKE]

so what are some "review" sites? I dont think I can ever do this(too paranoid) but I am just curious.

[Insaniac2]

wtf there are now 3 hooker threads on the front page, including this one:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=158698

are you the slimy mofo that bangs asian hookers in houston?
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154777

anywho, i don't see what the problem is. i'm assuming you can afford to see them. i've become a huge fan of hookers as well, as you can see in my posts in those two other hooker threads.

ps: you use eros? really? a lot of those girls are bait and switch or upsellers. i dont feel safe seeing anyone that hasnt been reviewed on a local or national review board.

Eros is generally more upscale than everything else. I haven't had any experiences like that at all. I use theeroticreview as well.

[draculid]

I'll tell you what one of my co-workers said (and he probably heard it from somewhere, since he's not very creative):

"I'm not paying a hooker to have sex with me. I'm paying her to leave afterwards."

iirc, that was charlie sheen

[fishjie]

Eros is generally more upscale than everything else. I haven't had any experiences like that at all. I use theeroticreview as well.

haha i use theeroticreview as well

[Okazaki III]

Self constraint would be good. You say money isn't an issue so I take it you're clever enough to put yourself in a financial position where you can regularly afford escorts (and not the back alley crackhead ho).

If you're clever enough for that then I don't see why you can't bring up the discipline NOT to contact an escort agency. Dat pussy be kryptonite yo.


Unless you're sex addicted (http://www.bbc.co.uk/relationships/sex_and_sexual_health/probs_sexaddiction.shtml). In that case you should join group therapy: your social problem solved because you meet new people and you can get laid at the same time with fellow sex addicts. Best of both worlds.

[Insaniac2]

haha i use theeroticreview as well

Ice Lafox was on eros once during her visit to Houston. I thought about it but just could not justify that much money plus disclosing my employer.

[fishjie]

yeah we only got two porn stars as far as i know in washington, shawna edwards (recent addition) and bethany sweet. from the reviews i've seen, its nothing special to bang a porn star, more for bragging rights.

yo i just PMed you with a question about references and how that all works

[DaliPicard]

In my ongoing effort to obtain research for a paper that I'm writing on this topic, are you aware of any services of this type in the Washington DC Meto area; specifically in the Silver Spring territory? Ofcourse, I will site the person who responds as a research source.

[Ducky]

anywho, i don't see what the problem is. i'm assuming you can afford to see them.

I'm not a patron of prostitutes or escorts myself, but I don't really see a problem either if you have the money for it. You have just as much chance catching a STD from a one night stand in a club. There are some girls that get around and they don't even get paid to do it, so they don't have to look nice or work hard to get your money.

They need to legalize prostitution already.

[white shadow]

Wait Insaniac, aren't you like a 6'8 white guy who plays bball? And here I thought the thread would be about how to find ways to not date asian girls. :rofl:

[Ali M]

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj215/CJanssen-wishaupt2/walking.gif

[Gord]

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj215/CJanssen-wishaupt2/walking.gif

http://i27.tinypic.com/2a0ibue.jpg

[fishjie]

I'm not a patron of prostitutes or escorts myself, but I don't really see a problem either if you have the money for it. You have just as much chance catching a STD from a one night stand in a club. There are some girls that get around and they don't even get paid to do it, so they don't have to look nice or work hard to get your money.

They need to legalize prostitution already.

yeah seriously. eliot spitzer is not the only hypocrite who fucks hookers, so why are they all pretending to be someone they're not.

i'll eventually get married, because my parents want me to have a family, since its a huge cultural thing for chinese people. so as i said in the other hooker thread, i'm not oppossed to being in a relationship. but i could care less if i don't. its incredibly liberating. AND, if my wife stops putting out, like most wives do after marriage, instead of dealing with all the drama from an affair, i can just bang some hookers on the side. everybody wins.

ALSO, for all the guys who complain and hate the friendzone, you should love hookers. hookers friend zone you because they can copartmentalize sex from their emotions. and yet despite being friendzoned by these women, you still get to fuck them. how awesome is that? nice guys finish last, except with escorts.

[Riot Guard]

True, you might have a problem. Some STD's are not curable.

[Stuckey]

Well instead of Hookers, if you have an issue with spending money and coming home empty handed, just try what me and my boys call a slump buster.

See, a slump buster is any combination of fat/ugly/broke/ghetto/etc. that ANYBODY oughta be able to take home (except pussy ass Gord). You keep one of those around when you're getting turned down by the hot chicks or when it just seems like there aren't any hot ones around. You'll always have somebody to screw for free and some slump busters can be pretty cool personality wise. Just DO NOT get caught in public with your slump buster. If you do, make sure it's not around your boys.

If a hot girl catches you with a slump buster, she'll think very highly of you in some cases though.

[debs]

^what he said. ALWAYS keep one of those around...
the main thing is that its free and its whenever you want. damn all that paying shit.

[Vynce]

I love SRK because you can post this and know for a fact no one's going to attack you for hiring a pro. And, I also love that if a thread like this was made as bait, it would fall flat on its face.

Hookers have always sounded appealing, but only because it'd be the only decent blowjob many of us would have ever had.

...I'd never cheat on my lady, though.

[axeman61]

Well instead of Hookers, if you have an issue with spending money and coming home empty handed, just try what me and my boys call a slump buster.

See, a slump buster is any combination of fat/ugly/broke/ghetto/etc. that ANYBODY oughta be able to take home (except pussy ass Gord). You keep one of those around when you're getting turned down by the hot chicks or when it just seems like there aren't any hot ones around. You'll always have somebody to screw for free and some slump busters can be pretty cool personality wise. Just DO NOT get caught in public with your slump buster. If you do, make sure it's not around your boys.

If a hot girl catches you with a slump buster, she'll think very highly of you in some cases though.

:pray:

I don't have a S.Buster, but I'll try my hardest to get one once I start caring about dating.

[Serpent]

True, you might have a problem. Some STD's are not curable.

Escorts are generally cleaner than the average woman, who has a 1 in 3 chance of having something, and that is probably a low estimate since I'm sure most women just won't admit to it.

If an escort has something, it will become obvious soon, and considering the cost and nature of the service, it will be corrected soon (she won't be allowed to be an escort any longer). Whereas for a normal woman, she'll make you jump through the hoops and just not tell you, and then not care afterwards, and there's not much you can do to prevent that.

Anyways, I do not see the problem. It's a low amount of money, you're banging extremely high quality women, and presumably getting quite proficient at doing it, and eventually, if it's meant to happen, one of them will introduce you to a friend or something because they know you're loaded and good at fucking. Or something, whatever, basically I am just saying keep fucking the escorts, and don't worry about it.

Either that or become religious, and basically be against pre-marital sex. Because aside from religion, there is no good justifiable reason not to fuck the escorts, provided you don't fear getting arrested or what not, which you usually don't need to for escorts.

The term "John" was used in one of my bar prep lectures. If I hadn't been on SRK I'd have probably had no clue what it meant. Thank you SRK.

[Gord]

:pray:

I don't have a S.Buster, but I'll try my hardest to get one once I start caring about dating.


And here I was doing good going without seeing that bitch not mentioning my name :tdown: ignore button needs to work for quotes.

:rofl: at still being mad I sonned his ass by saying he had no reason to live.

[Luciano Leone]

And here I was doing good going without seeing that bitch not mentioning my name :tdown: ignore button needs to work for quotes.

:rofl: at still being mad I sonned his ass by saying he had no reason to live.

Saying someone has no reason to live is a qualified "son" maneuver? Well.. in that case..

You have no reason to live.




OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SONNED

[Gord]

I'm not going to bother posting all of what I wrote, but that is the essence of what I said.

[Stuckey]

Saying someone has no reason to live is a qualified "son" maneuver? Well.. in that case..

You have no reason to live.




OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SONNED

He claimed he sonned me?

.......

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Oh shit are you serious? He got ravaged in that thread like a hooker working at Mardi Gras. To claim he sonned ANYBODY in there is a lie like hell.

:rofl: @ Having a person that lives worse than I do tell me I have no reason to live.

[axeman61]

He claimed he sonned me?

.......

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Oh shit are you serious? He got ravaged in that thread like a hooker working at Mardi Gras. To claim he sonned ANYBODY in there is a lie like hell.

:rofl: @ Having a person that lives worse than I do tell me I have no reason to live.

Guh, I'll bite.
What thread are you talking about?

[Stuckey]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=157759

Basically this pro-wing and faded aerosmith t-shirt wearing simian space cunt thinks a man accused of murder twice AND held a woman captive and raped and abused her for 19 hours should have a chance at parole. When everybody got in his ass like a bicycle with no seat, he started calling us idiots and shit.

...And comes away from the whole thing thinking he sonned someone. Make sense to you?

[axeman61]

Christ. I read some of it and stopped. To steal a bit from Dave Attell, it felt like my computer screen was shooting webs of stupid at me. I'm afraid to go to page 2.

[Gord]

You are unable to have a decent conversation with anyone that even thinks different from you. You're like a child that only exists to spend $3 on a message board so he can give different colors to the mean people.

Get into the real world, people like me exist by the millions :tup:, hopefully people like you take a page from Chris Benoit and off themselves. Am I implying that you should take your entire families with you? No, but it would be karma.

[Stuckey]

Christ. I read some of it and stopped. To steal a bit from Dave Attell, it felt like my computer screen was shooting webs of stupid at me. I'm afraid to go to page 2.

Yeah, might as well skip the rest. You aren't really missing anything besides Gord getting torn a new one like a renovated house.

[GeoG2]

You don't have a problem. Once a month isn't an issue at all.

Put it in perspective. Either you pay $200+ for a few dates in order to tap ass, or you pay $200 for ass upfront. Which is the smarter decision? I'm not into the escort thing, but let's be serious... a lot of those bitches are hot. You know their job is to be attractive, so you expect the whole 9... shaved cooch, somewhat toned body, whatever other shit to make them appealing. Now pick up a random broad from the club who looks ok in the dark. You take her home, you get her naked... her cooch looks like the Amazon jungle, she's flabby, she can't fuck... where's the good in that?

You know what you're getting with escorts. An experienced whore that looks good. Is that not all a sex craved male wants? Your perception of the game is screwed. The social vibe is overrated.

[fiveten]

Stop paying for pussy.

Pussy is free.

It's that simple.

[fishjie]

You don't have a problem. Once a month isn't an issue at all.

Put it in perspective. Either you pay $200+ for a few dates in order to tap ass, or you pay $200 for ass upfront. Which is the smarter decision? I'm not into the escort thing, but let's be serious... a lot of those bitches are hot. You know their job is to be attractive, so you expect the whole 9... shaved cooch, somewhat toned body, whatever other shit to make them appealing. Now pick up a random broad from the club who looks ok in the dark. You take her home, you get her naked... her cooch looks like the Amazon jungle, she's flabby, she can't fuck... where's the good in that?

You know what you're getting with escorts. An experienced whore that looks good. Is that not all a sex craved male wants? Your perception of the game is screwed. The social vibe is overrated.

amen

Stop paying for pussy.

Pussy is free.

It's that simple.

you end up paying for it one way or the other. driving her around, buying her drinks, pretending her conversation is interesting, valentines day, anniversaries, mothers day, so on and so forth. you are naive to think otherwise.

[hold dat]

amen
you end up paying for it one way or the other. driving her around, buying her drinks, pretending her conversation is interesting, valentines day, anniversaries, mothers day, so on and so forth. you are naive to think otherwise.


i think in the long run you might get tired of paying for prostitutes because what they provide is temporary

Sooner or later you might want someone to come home too. And its best to find that person between 27-32 yrs old (i think)

And then you might expect your wife to be just like the escorts....

I;m not knocking anyones choices but i see the benefits of it and the downsides

[Adam Warlock]

you end up paying for it one way or the other. driving her around, buying her drinks, pretending her conversation is interesting, valentines day, anniversaries, mothers day, so on and so forth. you are naive to think otherwise.

If you really think that's how it works you're lying to yourself to feel better. Even when I was single I never shelled out anywhere near that amount on one broad, and on top of that, even if someone did they're not paying for one night. the only people who think the social vibe is overrated are people with no social skills or people who hang around the wrong kind of women. Will a hooker scoop you when your car breaks down? If you like to blow money on hookers that's cool, but to say it's the same or better than dating a woman in a non-superficial relationship financially is retarded.

[fiveten]

you end up paying for it one way or the other. driving her around, buying her drinks, pretending her conversation is interesting, valentines day, anniversaries, mothers day, so on and so forth. you are naive to think otherwise.

The thing is, you don't have to do that. If she honestly likes you, she will go lengths to talk to you.

It's all about doing things you actually like to do. If you don't like taking these women out to eat, don't do that shit. There are other ways to get to know a woman and spend very little if any money.

If you really think that's how it works you're lying to yourself to feel better. Even when I was single I never shelled out anywhere near that amount on one broad, and on top of that, even if someone did they're not paying for one night. the only people who think the social vibe is overrated are people with no social skills or people who hang around the wrong kind of women. Will a hooker scoop you when your car breaks down? If you like to blow money on hookers that's cool, but to say it's the same or better than dating a woman in a non-superficial relationship financially is retarded.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Million]

regular women are garbage ass pieces of filth. They are unreliable, self-absorbed, evil, illogical trash. Stick with high priced hookers. At least you always know for sure what you're getting for the money you put down. Drop some money in trying to hook up with a "regular" one....and who knows if you get the goddamn payoff or not. Hell, she doesn't even know until the point comes where she finds some ridiculous reason to kill your whole gameplan, resulting in no actual return on your investment. Kill the goddamn regular women....destroy them all, and keep the hookers. They're all hookers in one way or the other, at least the "official" whores are real about what they are.

[Azrael]

If money's not the problem...then what is? If you are worried about STD's, just stick to the services that have a high rep and there are also things you can do on your end to help lower transmission rates.

If money is a problem...then find a girl who is into the swinger scene, and take her to one of those places once a month or so.

[white shadow]

So no one here has ever had a meaningful relationship, where both of you genuinely cared for each other and did things other than have sex? Either that, or a lot of you have been spurned to the extent where catharsis and hookers go hand in hand?

I know life sucks and all, but deluding yourself into believing all women are evil and moneygrubbers because we live in a society where most people, male and female, are looking out for number one isn't healthy at all. People are selfish, people lie, people cheat, people are seeking superficialities in hopes of quick peace of mind- but if you've ever truly cared for another person, you know that there's more to life than these fleeting endeavors. To some of you, the aversion to such potential pain gives you a sense of power. By avoiding a chance of at least some meaningful joy and contentment, we wallow in all the quick fixes to fill the void of true companionship.

I've witnessed the tragic way women are praised and disdained by the same posters over the years; constantly making exceptions for "superstars" or women with certain talents, but then hastily regress to misogyny when something reminds them of the emotional investment and inevitable compromises involved with dealing with a female... heck, any person you associate with, period.

I'm not talking about the morality or legalities of escorts/prostitutes. I'm not even going to question the need for some sexual release every now and then (personally, I don't think I could ever have sex with a woman who wasn't genuinely interested in me), but any dependence on hookers for healthy human interaction is certainly flawed and shows some other problems deep within.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are some people who honestly can live a fulfilling life in such a manner because of certain developmental qualities, or lack thereof?

[Rod Driguez]

That was deep.


[EDIT: This thread should get a nomination for ToTY]

[Gumbercules]

So no one here has ever had a meaningful relationship, where both of you genuinely cared for each other and did things other than have sex? Either that, or a lot of you have been spurned to the extent where catharsis and hookers go hand in hand?

I know life sucks and all, but deluding yourself into believing all women are evil and moneygrubbers because we live in a society where most people, male and female, are looking out for number one isn't healthy at all. People are selfish, people lie, people cheat, people are seeking superficialities in hopes of quick peace of mind- but if you've ever truly cared for another person, you know that there's more to life than these fleeting endeavors. To some of you, the aversion to such potential pain gives you a sense of power. By avoiding a chance of at least some meaningful joy and contentment, we wallow in all the quick fixes to fill the void of true companionship.

I've witnessed the tragic way women are praised and disdained by the same posters over the years; constantly making exceptions for "superstars" or women with certain talents, but then hastily regress to misogyny when something reminds them of the emotional investment and inevitable compromises involved with dealing with a female... heck, any person you associate with, period.

I'm not talking about the morality or legalities of escorts/prostitutes. I'm not even going to question the need for some sexual release every now and then (personally, I don't think I could ever have sex with a woman who wasn't genuinely interested in me), but any dependence on hookers for healthy human interaction is certainly flawed and shows some other problems deep within.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are some people who honestly can live a fulfilling life in such a manner because of certain developmental qualities, or lack thereof?

SRK hates women, didn't you know

[Nokato]

So no one here has ever had a meaningful relationship, where both of you genuinely cared for each other and did things other than have sex? Either that, or a lot of you have been spurned to the extent where catharsis and hookers go hand in hand?

I know life sucks and all, but deluding yourself into believing all women are evil and moneygrubbers because we live in a society where most people, male and female, are looking out for number one isn't healthy at all. People are selfish, people lie, people cheat, people are seeking superficialities in hopes of quick peace of mind- but if you've ever truly cared for another person, you know that there's more to life than these fleeting endeavors. To some of you, the aversion to such potential pain gives you a sense of power. By avoiding a chance of at least some meaningful joy and contentment, we wallow in all the quick fixes to fill the void of true companionship....(SNIP)





Honestly, you're the one of the few people I know on SRK that hasn't allowed women to make you jaded and it still boggles my mind as to how that's even possible. I'm not one to ever even fathom buying a hooker--I'm only in this thread because the whole women are evil thing. I think...that if women tried a little harder to drive it home that they aren't so evil and didn't fuck over the majority of males on SRK, I think that we wouldn't have such reason to be jaded about women.

Its very hard to believe that women aren't evil when anyone can pinpoint at least 5 times in their life where they've been fucked over by women. The game is tough because, women always have the right to make you vulnerable to being hurt out of "trust" which in most cases only allows people to be stupid enough to get hurt. I mean, when a guy gives his all and still gets decieved after years, and years of being hurt in other relationships, can you blame them for thinking women are evil?

What woman isn't? People talk about there are women out there who won't fuck you over...where are they?

[white shadow]

Honestly, you're the one of the few people I know on SRK that hasn't allowed women to make you jaded and it still boggles my mind as to how that's even possible. I'm not one to ever even fathom buying a hooker--I'm only in this thread because the whole women are evil thing. I think...that if women tried a little harder to drive it home that they aren't so evil and didn't fuck over the majority of males on SRK, I think that we wouldn't have such reason to be jaded about women.

Its very hard to believe that women aren't evil when anyone can pinpoint at least 5 times in their life where they've been fucked over by women. The game is tough because, women always have the right to make you vulnerable to being hurt out of "trust" which in most cases only allows people to be stupid enough to get hurt. I mean, when a guy gives his all and still gets decieved after years, and years of being hurt in other relationships, can you blame them for thinking women are evil?

What woman isn't? People talk about there are women out there who won't fuck you over...where are they?

Women may be progenitors, but both sexes give birth to pain and suffering. Relationships are a risk, and when one invests all they have into another individual only to get suffering in return, it can permanently destroy you. Any other relationships thereafter will be filled with self-doubt and defensive posturing to prevent such pain from occurring again... or you simply turn into an individual who seeks pleasure like vending machine, a slight investment here or there for a sweet treat, but lacking any substance or nutrients to sustain you for the long haul, like a home cooked meal can provide.

My great grandmother, mother, aunt, have had a much more positive influence in my life than most male figureheads- they're the complete antithesis of what this modern paradigm has set up for the haute, selfish crowd of women/people that fill the world.

So when you say that no good women exist, or imply it, I don't go searching out to bars, clubs, or the fine ads at the back of newspapers for proof of their existence- I look home, to my family. (and no, not that way you sickos *lawl*)

[axeman61]

Well, I don't really take either side in this, but most of them obviously don't mean their own family when they say women are evil. They mean the dating game.

[white shadow]

Well, I don't really take either side in this, but most of them obviously don't mean their own family when they say women are evil. They mean the dating game.

Dating game women are a different generation, point noted, but they're not a different species. There were many sluts in the past (WWI/II anyone?) and they'll be sluts in the future, it's really society overall that swirling to the gutter.

We can idealize the past generations but nothing has changed, people are still the same. There are still women now who are just as bad and good as previous generations. Unfortunately, it's truly like the lottery (with maybe slightly less odds:lol:), so I can't blame guys or gals for the angst when they lose out. I too know from experience, sadly...

[fiveten]

regular women are garbage ass pieces of filth. They are unreliable, self-absorbed, evil, illogical trash.

Which is true. Women aren't raised to be the way they were 50-60 years ago. Not in a chauvinistic way, but in a respectable, graceful way. They're not taught to look for that real, solid minded man. Since the feminist movement the propaganda is that it's wrong to be submissive to your man. You can see from all of the prison freaks/pushovers these broads choose. They either want to be run by primitive strictly primal men or be the balls in the relationship.
Stick with high priced hookers. At least you always know for sure what you're getting for the money you put down. Drop some money in trying to hook up with a "regular" one....and who knows if you get the goddamn payoff or not. Hell, she doesn't even know until the point comes where she finds some ridiculous reason to kill your whole gameplan, resulting in no actual return on your investment. Kill the goddamn regular women....destroy them all, and keep the hookers. They're all hookers in one way or the other, at least the "official" whores are real about what they are.

That's not needed. Sure a lot of these women are undercover hookers looking for a free meal. But a lot of these guys out here are undercover tricks who will compromise their self respect and dignity by buying shit for these women they don't know. They do things for these hos they wouldn't do for themselves. But as evil and fascist as these women are, THEY ARE EASY. They are so insecure and lonely. This is why if real men step to them they don't know what to do. And generally the better looking a woman is, the easier it is to get her because most of her life, she's been bullshitted.

[fishjie]

If you really think that's how it works you're lying to yourself to feel better. Even when I was single I never shelled out anywhere near that amount on one broad, and on top of that, even if someone did they're not paying for one night. the only people who think the social vibe is overrated are people with no social skills or people who hang around the wrong kind of women. Will a hooker scoop you when your car breaks down? If you like to blow money on hookers that's cool, but to say it's the same or better than dating a woman in a non-superficial relationship financially is retarded.

granted, the price of maintaining a regular relationship drops drastically after you've been going out for a while. however marriage is financial suicide from the standpoint of a male. almost half of marriages end up in divorce (i'm not sure of the exact stat but its pretty high). the woman almost always gets the house, kids, along with ailomony payments - even if she was the one who cheated on you. those emotional benefits you mention, such as being picked up when a car breaks down, can be provided by your friends, and are also negated in a divorce, when your woman has now transformed into your enemy. now instead of scooping you up when your car dies, she just takes your car.

but yeah, don't get me wrong, i'm not opposed to being in a relationship. if one comes along that's fine. i'm just not going out of my way to find one, nor do i care if one doesn't come along for a while.

[TheSix]

The divorce rate is 51% in the US. More than half.

Just throwing that in there....

[narc]

You need go no further than to watch the movie Conan. Arnold says it, and it has yet to ring untrue.

"They're all sluts"



There is another good quote too, "Nothing is free". Especially pussy, even that fat chick someone of you use to supplement your regular pussy intake.

[fishjie]

The divorce rate is 51% in the US. More than half.

Just throwing that in there....

to be fair, i think that 51% represents all the marriage attempts in america. a lot of those are repeat attempts by the same people. if you eliminate the repeat failures though, the divorce rate is still close to half. so the statistical financial expected value of marriage in america then will still wind up being negative for the male, and positive for the female.

so in the short term, hookers cost more, but in the long term, marriage costs the most, and does tremendous amounts of emotional damage. if the divorce rate were just 10% it'd be different, but when its so high, its ridiculous. and i know most males will never ask for prenups.

[majeh]

i dont think srk hates women, you guys just suck at getting them. but all women arent evil either, they're just all stupid

[Biggzy]

Off yourself please for your inability to get off my dick

http://i28.tinypic.com/30922jm.gif

Fuck, why can't you just die, you're like a herpes sore.

All I read was "Blah blah blah I'm a gay fagg who puts gifs in every post."

[Serpent]

i dont think srk hates women, you guys just suck at getting them. but all women arent evil either, they're just all stupid

Women aren't stupid. They're definitely smarter than you are.

A gun is capable of inflicting great damage, but by itself is harmless. A gunman by himself is harmless, but can use a gun to great effect. It isn't the gun that is dangerous, it is the gunman.

Men are capable of solving problems and creating feats of engineering, science, art, whatever. Women are capable of using men for whatever they need. Hence, women are the ones that drive society, they are the intelligent ones. Men are just useless tools.

[Insaniac2]

If money's not the problem...then what is? If you are worried about STD's, just stick to the services that have a high rep and there are also things you can do on your end to help lower transmission rates.

If money is a problem...then find a girl who is into the swinger scene, and take her to one of those places once a month or so.

I wouldn't mind a relationship but have lost all motivation to pursue one as a result of the past year.

[OrangeCat]

snip...
I don't think it's so much the idea of SRKers here not having been in a meaningful relationship but because if they were...they'd be married by now. However they might not be able to recognize it if it were to bite them in the ass because of being jaded by previous experience or the examples of others, however really there are very few relationships that end on a better than average note. There is one poster who says that he has a healthy friendship with all his exes, but for the majority I doubt that their relationships resulted in seeing women in a more positive light as opposed to seeing the harsh reality of what a woman is capable of given the opportunity to abuse social privelages that now became rights.

OC

[OrangeCat]

I wouldn't mind a relationship but have lost all motivation to pursue one as a result of the past year.
I don't think you need the motivation until you actually need it. The only problem I could foresee is if you get emotionally attatched to any of the escorts you take out only to be seen as a client rather than a potential mate, however unless you don't feel the absolute need to socialize amongst normal women why fucking bother? Eventually primal instincts will take over and you will fall back into the groove of things with socializing with the peasents, but if your ability to not care quells that instinct, why even bother trying?

The only real problem you might have is that you're not fitting into society and wasting too much money of which fits into the former.

OC

[flipkev]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=157759

Basically this pro-wing and faded aerosmith t-shirt wearing simian space cunt thinks a man accused of murder twice AND held a woman captive and raped and abused her for 19 hours should have a chance at parole. When everybody got in his ass like a bicycle with no seat, he started calling us idiots and shit.

...And comes away from the whole thing thinking he sonned someone. Make sense to you?

Wow, he sonned you alright:rolleyes:

[Stuckey]

:lol: Gord is wack like Bugle Boy jeans.

From Wikipedia (this may be an obscure reference to some of you young folks) - "Bugle Boy is a brand of pants popular in the 1980s founded by Dr. William Mow in 1977. It declared bankruptcy in 2001."

[GeoG2]

If you really think that's how it works you're lying to yourself to feel better. Even when I was single I never shelled out anywhere near that amount on one broad, and on top of that, even if someone did they're not paying for one night. the only people who think the social vibe is overrated are people with no social skills or people who hang around the wrong kind of women. Will a hooker scoop you when your car breaks down? If you like to blow money on hookers that's cool, but to say it's the same or better than dating a woman in a non-superficial relationship financially is retarded.

My social skills are top flight. I make connections while barely trying, as people are just generally attracted to me and want to know me. Still, the social vibe is grossly overrated. It really has nothing to do with social skills or not.

The car break down situation... so a close girlfriend would be quick to come scoop you up opposed to a hooker? You know, Carmelo's wife wouldn't even pick him up after he got his DUI. People are people, regardless of your relationship to them.

The reason you haven't shelled out big money is because you've probably been messing with women who refuse to give up part of their independence, whether they are in a relationship or not. Some women just don't like to be pampered to that degree, where they feel they owe the guy something for days/months/years of fitting the bill all the time. But really, if this is the case for you, then you're a rarity... since most women do indeed like being pampered, and guys can whistle and dance around it all day, you're still paying for that ass. Those gifts you buy her, the dining, the trips around town... guys are usually paying for that shit in some way and they add up substantially.

My thing is just this... people need to learn to think for themselves instead of falling into the pre-programmed trap society has implanted into us. No, you don't have to go on 50 dates looking for Ms. Right, in order to settle down and have 3-4 kids, especially in your early-mid 20s. Maybe, just maybe, deep down... a person just wants sex. There's nothing wrong with that. Sure, maybe if it gets tiring and you get to the point where it starts feeling awkward, maybe then its the right time to say, there's got to be more than this. I'm not saying blowing money on hookers is great (I don't), but to suggest blowing money on the social vibe to ultimately do what you would've done with the hooker anyway to some random broad (who could potentially fuck up your life) is somehow more gratifying because its more socially accepted, that's just bull.

[axeman61]

:lol: Gord is wack like Bugle Boy jeans.

From Wikipedia (this may be an obscure reference to some of you young folks) - "Bugle Boy is a brand of pants popular in the 1980s founded by Dr. William Mow in 1977. It declared bankruptcy in 2001."

HEY! I still have one pair of Bugle Boy Jeans. But I bought them last year, and... uh, books and shit.... um....

I'm going to go over there now...

[GeoG2]

I'm not talking about the morality or legalities of escorts/prostitutes. I'm not even going to question the need for some sexual release every now and then (personally, I don't think I could ever have sex with a woman who wasn't genuinely interested in me), but any dependence on hookers for healthy human interaction is certainly flawed and shows some other problems deep within.

At the end of the day, it's just sex.

Now, a guy can roll with 5-6 friends and have a ball on a Friday night. That's healthy human interaction. That's totally separate from sex. Sex is just something to do because your body craves it, there doesn't have to be a connection or any real emotion behind it, you can do it simply because it makes you feel good... and that's fine.

The problem is people are raised with different opinions. Some can't fuck without a connection, they want to be loved before they give up their bodies. They need assurance that there's something bigger than just the pleasure involved. They like to make it seem bigger than it is in order to be satisfied. It really isn't... it's 2 people doing something that every other person in the world (minus the freaks born with no genitals, or genitals mutilated beyond use) can do. I like to look at it as, people looking at it from a small perspective, and those looking at it from the big perspective. People that only think small, get hurt... because they get attached to someone and feel like it's somehow out of the question that they could experience that same feeling with any number of people out of the hundreds of thousands readily accessible in their area. These are the people that commit suicide because they don't see the light that only the big picture provides.

Now a person like me... I can make friends, throw them away and then make new friends. I know how to not hold commitment to someone, I can easily throw away whatever fun we've and pretend like I've never knew them... so obviously this type of mind frame helps tremendously when it comes to not having an attachment to someone. Does this show signs of problems within? I don't think so, but hey... I'm biased.

The point is, people have to do what makes them happy. Developmental qualities or not, no one says you have to be in a meaningful relationship in order to be fulfilled. The real problem stems from people needing relationships and acceptance in order to feel fulfilled. Hey, some people just want sex and not the relationship. I can understand it, I don't see why so many don't.

[BBQ]

I think if I was rich, like throwing 200-1000 a week wasn't even a thought. I would be like "I feel like a wank....but, why exhaust my arm/hand when I can get a moist hole attached to a hot broad in like(how ever long it takes to get one)."

It's like eating. People gotta eat, why are there snack machines? So you got something to munch on in between lunch and dinner or when ever. Sometimes people just rely on the snack machines because it's conveniant, and with some change, you got yourselves something to satisfy your craving. It may not be the full course meal, but it's enough to get by. Maybe this is a bad example of what I'm trying to get at, but that's how I feel.

[Alzarath]

Get into the real world, people like me exist by the millions :tup:

And that is exactly why the world is so fucked up.

[Satomiblood]

I hope I get so rich that I start shooting liquefied money out of my penis. It'd be like Peter North with a monocle.

[white shadow]

At the end of the day, it's just sex.

Now, a guy can roll with 5-6 friends and have a ball on a Friday night. That's healthy human interaction. That's totally separate from sex. Sex is just something to do because your body craves it, there doesn't have to be a connection or any real emotion behind it, you can do it simply because it makes you feel good... and that's fine.

I meant seeking prostitutes and constituting that as normal human interaction. Like I said before I wasn't even going to go into details of prostitution, as that's matter that has leads into personal ethics. I'm sure there's guys who have friends/healthy social life and occasionally go to an escort, but then there's also men who take it to an unhealthy and jading level of self-worth.



The point is, people have to do what makes them happy. Developmental qualities or not, no one says you have to be in a meaningful relationship in order to be fulfilled. The real problem stems from people needing relationships and acceptance in order to feel fulfilled. Hey, some people just want sex and not the relationship. I can understand it, I don't see why so many don't.

I never said you need meaningful relationship to feel content, but the cynicism shown towards even the thought of people seeking it is what I'm addressing.

Of course we as humans seek sex, we're animals. It's in our very existence to reproduce (the pleasure associated with sex is just a side effect to facilitate such reproduction) but at the same time we have something else very few other creatures have- cognizance, a sense of self. Because we have an ability to give our own life purpose, we also can look beyond our primitive constructs and find common ground for both mentalities. Otherwise, if we base our entire function on our natural biological urges, we're only seeking excuses to ignore our ability to rationalize with our advanced brains.

For example, other species like chimps and dolphins rape, steal and murder as natural tendencies. However, we as humans can see the negatives of having those behaviors in a society. Hence, it is abhorred. The whole gameplan in life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain, but since we're smart enough to control the odds, we have a propensity to overindulge unlike other animals: controlling sexual selection (money/prostitution/cosmetics/marriage), food (obesity), and even territory (over-harvesting, deforestation, advanced war technology) So only we can willfully find a balance, this ability is what makes us different from mere drones running on our base instincts.

So no, I'm not like a priest promoting celibacy or completely ignoring of the natural need for sex, or a hopeless romantic telling you love is all you need, but I feel there needs to be a median.

[GeoG2]

I meant seeking prostitutes and constituting that as normal human interaction. Like I said before I wasn't even going to go into details of prostitution, as that's matter that has leads into personal ethics. I'm sure there's guys who have friends/healthy social life and occasionally go to an escort, but then there's also men who take it to an unhealthy and jading level of self-worth.

What constitutes as normal is highly subjective.

For example, to you it may or may not seem like healthy human interaction, but to me, paying for a hooker is no different than taking a chick out on a date and fucking that same night. For every situation people are appalled at, there is a situation that is somewhat similar while being acceptable. Go figure.

I never said you need meaningful relationship to feel content, but the cynicism shown towards even the thought of people seeking it is what I'm addressing.

Of course we as humans seek sex, we're animals. It's in our very existence to reproduce (the pleasure associated with sex is just a side effect to facilitate such reproduction) but at the same time we have something else very few other creatures have- cognizance, a sense of self. Because we have an ability to give our own life purpose, we also can look beyond our primitive constructs and find common ground for both mentalities. Otherwise, if we base our entire function on our natural biological urges, we're only seeking excuses to ignore our ability to rationalize with our advanced brains.

For example, other species like chimps and dolphins rape, steal and murder as natural tendencies. However, we as humans can see the negatives of having those behaviors in a society. Hence, it is abhorred. The whole gameplan in life is to seek pleasure and avoid pain, but since we're smart enough to control the odds, we have a propensity to overindulge unlike other animals: controlling sexual selection (money/prostitution/cosmetics/marriage), food (obesity), and even territory (over-harvesting, deforestation, advanced war technology) So only we can willfully find a balance, this ability is what makes us different from mere drones running on our base instincts.

So no, I'm not like a priest promoting celibacy or completely ignoring of the natural need for sex, or a hopeless romantic telling you love is all you need, but I feel there needs to be a median.

You should know that humans, as animals, only abhor those acts because there are consequences in place. You subtract laws, you would see humans become savages like any other species. Seemingly you put a little too much faith in people. The ideas of morality aren't as restraining to people's psyches like it once was.

Personally I don't really believe in love, but that's just me. I could never be a romantic. I don't really think there has to be a balance. These days, people are doing whatever they want anyway.

I read up on constant divorces, I watch HBO specials with broads talking about fucking 10 dudes back to back... and I'm like, this is what people want. They just want sex. They fool themselves into thinking that's not all it is, but these days, it usually is. Why bother with love and marriage at all anymore?

[SNAAAAKE]

so what kind of girls can i expect? something like DEEEZE http://a992.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/l_af28681e6e5e872a14297b9b95e01abf.jpg ?

[flipkev]

so what kind of girls can i expect? something like DEEEZE http://a992.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/l_af28681e6e5e872a14297b9b95e01abf.jpg ?

If it were 100's I could get it up for her:wonder:

[b1gazn]

so what kind of girls can i expect? something like DEEEZE http://a992.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/l_af28681e6e5e872a14297b9b95e01abf.jpg ?

it looks like she already worked for the money

[GeoG2]

That bitch looks like a tran.

[Muff Daddy]

I'm digging this white shadow GeoG2 conversation, but I'm leaning more towards what Geo is saying.

[pherai]

I'm digging this white shadow GeoG2 conversation, but I'm leaning more towards what Geo is saying.

Same. Good read.

[Serpent]

I'm digging this white shadow GeoG2 conversation, but I'm leaning more towards what Geo is saying.

I agree with GeoG2 for the most part, and I skip through white shadow's posts because they look like a whole lot of nothing. From my skim through:

white shadow: It is unhealthy to ever use a hooker because I said so
geo: Why? It's just sex, it's a transaction for sex, there's nothing "unhealthy" about it. You attach too many unrelated notions to sex.
white shadow: Watch me backpedal now. You can be normal and use escorts, but now watch me scope shift and throw in tangents, chimps and dolphins rape.
geo: No sale, you don't get to define normal, it is subjective. Morality is also subjective, animals don't attach notions of morality to actions.

I'm pretty sure I got most of it. As you can tell I don't think anything earth shattering is going on in this thread. It's the usual internet circle jerk where everyone on the internet claims to never pay money for women, is great with women, is popular, and has an IQ testing in the super genius level, meanwhile everybody else is a loser nerd that sucks at everything and is stupid. Nothing new.

[Stuckey]

Ice Lafox was on eros once during her visit to Houston. I thought about it but just could not justify that much money plus disclosing my employer.

WAIT A MINUTE! What? I missed that part there...

Fuck what I said about a slump-buster. If you're hittin women of Ice La Fox's calibur, YOU DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I'd run up in that for no good reason like the US Military ran up in Iraq.

You serious though? You can hire porn stars through them escort services? I would've never thought. Somebody PM me the site...

[white shadow]

What constitutes as normal is highly subjective.

For example, to you it may or may not seem like healthy human interaction, but to me, paying for a hooker is no different than taking a chick out on a date and fucking that same night. For every situation people are appalled at, there is a situation that is somewhat similar while being acceptable. Go figure.

Well now you are creating multi-faceted criteria for defining "normal." In that example a hooker and a date is no different to you because you have similar expectations for both- which is sex. That could be seen insular and subjective, because unless you know for certain that the date's initial incentives was also sex, any prior interaction could be translated as non-sexual feelings- which, eventually created sexual desire for the woman during that time. With a prostitute, it is merely a business transaction in which she can play multiple roles to substitute those same interactions. Nevertheless, she knows why she's there and the expectations involved.

So in that regard I wouldn't define that as normal human interaction, or even a mean of human interaction.

You should know that humans, as animals, only abhor those acts because there are consequences in place. You subtract laws, you would see humans become savages like any other species. Seemingly you put a little too much faith in people. The ideas of morality aren't as restraining to people's psyches like it once was.

I put faith in no one. That was precisely my point, we set up social order to control our behavior, why? Because we have the intellect and foresight to see the consequences of our actions as a whole. Morality is subjective and can get very specific, but ethics function on sheer logical outcomes, tit-for-tat. Over time, it seems most if not all societies govern on similar systems based on the ability to know why you wouldn't want to commit and action on someone else that you wouldn't want committed on you, etc... (Even chimpanzees do) How each law is treated depends on culture, and moral subjectivity.


Personally I don't really believe in love, but that's just me. I could never be a romantic. I don't really think there has to be a balance. These days, people are doing whatever they want anyway.

I read up on constant divorces, I watch HBO specials with broads talking about fucking 10 dudes back to back... and I'm like, this is what people want. They just want sex. They fool themselves into thinking that's not all it is, but these days, it usually is. Why bother with love and marriage at all anymore?

Well it all depends in how you define "love." There are chemical constituents specifically tied to strong emotions beyond mere infatuation (such as oxytocin), so if I was to define love as that, it wouldn't be wrong. There's also love in terms of being aware of ones emotions/mind and choosing an action that goes against our natural survival instinct, also known as "agape love", which is a defining human trait.

There are constant divorces and infidelities, which doesn't surprise me in a society where we have less social governors for people's actions. I'm sure if the families of previous decades had less cultural tethering on what is "acceptable behavior" (tying in with women's rights) divorces would've been much more common in those days as well. Personally, I believe marriage is archaic and unnecessary in maintaining a solid but less consequential commitment, so these results doesn't surprise me in the least. In fact, in tribal societies that have divorce, they're actually fairly common as well, and carry zero social taboos.

Scientifically speaking, we function on serial monogamy, where couples form a temporary bond long enough procure a child that is independent (can walk/talk) and then both fall out of love and seek other mates (ironically during a time period almost as long as the infamous "7 year itch"). This is nothing new, it only becomes "shocking" when juxtaposed to our modern settings that has allowed us to turn back to our roots.

However, it would be ignorant of me to state that long term monogamy is impossible, as there is past and present proof. Just like how we've managed to recognize what constitutes civilized behavior due to our self awareness, it shouldn't be surprising to expect humans to be able to be able to form permanent or even semi-permanent bonds from this same self-awareness. We can control our mind and ergo, control the outcome of our behaviors to go in accordance in what we want out of life.

It just so happens that in our age where we can easily maximize pleasure and minimize pain, any moment of strife can be supplemented through other devices. So for those who never really had a full commitment, be it a relationship or practically anything else, they can bail without much consequence.

Not everyone getting a divorce were completely unaware of the risks involved, they knew the risks but feel compelled because of the compatibility and emotional effort expended on their significant other that is was worth it. I see no fault in such a pursuit. Eventually, the partnership gets tested, and only those who understand the compromises involved (as well as continue to have sex- yes its a necessity to maintain love bonds) can overcome even these so-called depressing eventualities.

Lastly, the irony is that many posters supporting the unions of various members: *"You go AZ, I knew you'd find a good one!" "Yo, Ronin, you're a lucky man for finding that special someone, she RC'd those stairs!" "Shin-Mech-Brian I'm jealous!"* are amongst the same who also believe in similar philosophies to GeoG2's. Maybe it is just a sense of personal hope in the guise of e-camaraderie but it's just something I notice, that's all.

[fishjie]

Lastly, the irony is that many posters supporting the unions of various members: *"You go AZ, I knew you'd find a good one!" "Yo, Ronin, you're a lucky man for finding that special someone, she RC'd those stairs!" "Shin-Mech-Brian I'm jealous!"* are amongst the same who also believe in similar philosophies to GeoG2's. Maybe it is just a sense of personal hope in the guise of e-camaraderie but it's just something I notice, that's all.

not really. if i have congratulated people in those threads, its to be polite. but again, i have no problem with ultimately marrying some girl and starting a family, its what i want. but i'm not going to expect some lovey dovey relationship where we live happily ever after. in fact ill probably bang hookers if she stops putting out. oh and i'm going to have a prenup.


WAIT A MINUTE! What? I missed that part there...

Fuck what I said about a slump-buster. If you're hittin women of Ice La Fox's calibur, YOU DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I'd run up in that for no good reason like the US Military ran up in Iraq.

You serious though? You can hire porn stars through them escort services? I would've never thought. Somebody PM me the site...

lots of retired porn stars become escorts. just expect to pay a heavy premium for it. but from what i've seen, a lot of them are okay with you taking pix or vids (probably have to pay extra) so you get bragging rights too.

[white shadow]

not really. if i have congratulated people in those threads, its to be polite. but again, i have no problem with ultimately marrying some girl and starting a family, its what i want. but i'm not going to expect some lovey dovey relationship where we live happily ever after. in fact ill probably bang hookers if she stops putting out. oh and i'm going to have a prenup.



Don't forget! Some prenups can get revoked, and they don't cover funds appreciated during the marriage! Better get that shit locked up airtight, aight!

But I'm sure you know that.:wink:

[Muff Daddy]

If someone posts here and ends up getting married then I say more power to them. In the case of some of them I happen to know them personally beyond the simple username that most people are familiar with, so my well-wishes to them come without question because I consider them friends and want to see them do well. But that doesn't mean that I don't consider marriage a silly enterprise as a personal decision when it comes to my own life. My brother got married once. I was happy for him and his wife, but that didn't mean that I ceased thinking it was a silly decision in that I myself wouldn't do it at his age. Geo and Havoc probably sum up most of what I'd say on the subject better than anyone on this site (Million's shit on women is just too much sometimes, but at least he's consistent). SRK doesn't hate women I don't think, and Serpent just tells is like it is most of the time.

Is monogamy a necessary component of human nature? Who knows. I think monogamy became necessary because Caveman Chuck and Caveman Larry needed to stop killing each other over who had the right to shoot baby batter into Cavewoman Bertha. I think in the grand scheme of things monogamy benefits men more than it does women because it reduces competition among men. Like Juvenile said, "A nigga'll bust yo head if you bang his hoe." The ritual of marriage is basically saying "Hey, Bertha is all mine now", without the bloodshed and primitive head butting.

[white shadow]

-SNIP-


Well marriage did originate more as a bartering system rather than it being about love. It wasn't really until later that some cultures mixed love into the equation.

I share a similar view on marriage, like I said earlier. I think it's an idealized form of relationship that only declares a commitment to the world, not ensure it. IMO, Marriage and monogamy are homologous but I wouldn't define them as being the same. Gene Simmons seems to have got it down pat.

[akumatrunigga]

Well, I don't really take either side in this, but most of them obviously don't mean their own family when they say women are evil. They mean the dating game.
Thanks Captain (http://www.bluelinecomics.com/New%20Blue%20Lines/Capt%20Obvious%20flying%20faster%20finished.jpg)

:lol: Gord is wack like Bugle Boy jeans.

From Wikipedia (this may be an obscure reference to some of you young folks) - "Bugle Boy is a brand of pants popular in the 1980s founded by Dr. William Mow in 1977. It declared bankruptcy in 2001."
Wow matter of fact I think that you can get a pair at CVS or family dollar :lol:
I'm digging this white shadow GeoG2 conversation, but I'm leaning more towards what Geo is saying.
I agree regarding the debate of not giving a fuck vs maintaing a strong balance in human interaction.

I'm pretty sure I got most of it. As you can tell I don't think anything earth shattering is going on in this thread. It's the usual internet circle jerk where everyone on the internet claims to never pay money for women, is great with women, is popular, and has an IQ testing in the super genius level, meanwhile everybody else is a loser nerd that sucks at everything and is stupid. Nothing new.
:lol: Once again he delivers

[Azrael]

Many human interactions include an aspect of fakeness anyway. If you go to a restaurant, you want your servers to be nice, frendly, and helpful. In reality, they wouldn't be taking your order if they weren't getting paid for it, and even with the cash I doubt that its something they actually want to do. But so long as the appearance is there and enjoyable we accept it.

Why can't the sex industry be the same? "You're just another John! She doesn't care about you! She wouldn't have sex with you if you weren't paying!" Yeah...so? As long as the service is there and nice and enjoyable, we can accept it. Can't we?

[OrangeCat]

Many human interactions include an aspect of fakeness anyway. If you go to a restaurant, you want your servers to be nice, frendly, and helpful. In reality, they wouldn't be taking your order if they weren't getting paid for it, and even with the cash I doubt that its something they actually want to do. But so long as the appearance is there and enjoyable we accept it.

Why can't the sex industry be the same? "You're just another John! She doesn't care about you! She wouldn't have sex with you if you weren't paying!" Yeah...so? As long as the service is there and nice and enjoyable, we can accept it. Can't we?
That's a bad comparison. The end result is the food, not the servers although service is a big part of the restaurant experience, the end result of the food is more reliant on the cook's interest in the food rather than the server's willingness to be nice to you. Granted it's probably in the higher end restaurants that you'd come to expect nigh perfect service, but on the whole I think a lot of us are fine with the status quo of "You just do your bare minimum job and I'll be content with ignoring your obvious contempt for your current career."

The thing with sex is that it's a far more personal relationship than just eating food. On the whole it isn't like we have to stay monogamous to a certain food item or restaurant because when we go for their services we are committing some sort of ultimate act of intimacy. If you go to another restaurant you aren't going to feel like that through consuming someone else's alfredo sauce that you're somehow desecrating the tradition of what sex has become or should be perceived as. You're taking away their livelihood yes but hardly doing any real emotional damage.

[fishjie]

Why can't the sex industry be the same? "You're just another John! She doesn't care about you! She wouldn't have sex with you if you weren't paying!" Yeah...so? As long as the service is there and nice and enjoyable, we can accept it. Can't we?

exactly. i don't complain because a waiter is only nice to me because i'm tipping him. nor do i complain when a teacher is teaching me just because i'm paying tuition. i'm not banging hookers because i'm looking for love, i'm banging them to fulfill my sexual urges.

again i'd just like to reiterate that banging hookers is what for me, puts me in the right mind set to eventually get into a real relationship with a girl. i used to be a nice guy who put the pussy on a pedestal and reeked of desperation. now that i know i can bang any girl i want to, whether she be milf, young, bbw, skinny, asian, white, black, latina, russian, or whatever, i could care less. what does it matter if a girl rejects me when i can just purchase a better looking one immediately afterward? i've been far more relaxed and laid back when i go out now. i don't need to stress out about how i'm going to hook up with a girl at the end of the night, because i know that's just a phone call/ email with references away. i'd recommend all the low tier asian guys who get friendzoned by asian girls to fuck hookers. it will change their whole way of thinking, and that in itself is invaluable.

[Rod Driguez]

:u: :u: :d: :d: :l: :r: :l: :r: :snkb: :snka: START



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[Azrael]

That's a bad comparison.
...Why? Because of this? -

The thing with sex is that it's a far more personal relationship than just eating food. On the whole it isn't like we have to stay monogamous to a certain food item or restaurant because when we go for their services we are committing some sort of ultimate act of intimacy. If you go to another restaurant you aren't going to feel like that through consuming someone else's alfredo sauce that you're somehow desecrating the tradition of what sex has become or should be perceived as. You're taking away their livelihood yes but hardly doing any real emotional damage.
But, you're assuming a lot here. And you're not allowing for the possibility that two people can have sex and have it mean absolutely nothing except for it feeling good.

Why can't sex be versatile? Is it impossible for a person to be able to enjoy both meaningful, emotion-filled sex, and casual sex? I know I can do both. I have done both plenty. You have to admit that there's a certain degree of instinctual urge/sensation-only satisfaction that comes with sex - if there wasn't, people would never have a reason to masturbate.

If a person chooses to only want to engage in that emotional, bonding sex, that's fine and all, your choice. But you can at least admit that that's not the only type of sex. Hell, we humans have been banging away indiscriminately for centuries, and its only when we try to apply socially-created morals to the act that people start becoming ashamed and picky about it.

[Muff Daddy]

When I catch people sublimating sex, I always go back to the scene in the movie Closer where Clive Owen's character is like, "Oh yeah, I fucked Anna, lol".

[OrangeCat]

...Why? Because of this? -

If a person chooses to only want to engage in that emotional, bonding sex, that's fine and all, your choice. But you can at least admit that that's not the only type of sex. Hell, we humans have been banging away indiscriminately for centuries, and its only when we try to apply socially-created morals to the act that people start becoming ashamed and picky about it.
I might be assuming a lot and I do admit that there is different types of sex however it is your last point that really does make us care, at least more than the example of having a server who'd rather not do their job was it not for the money. I not arguing against the existence of no strings attatched sex save for just pleasure but your example was still a bad example. If you are considering your example to be similar in context then consider this:

-Ask someone how many servers they've encountered at restaurants.
-Ask the same person how many prostitutes or instances of sex for money they've had.

If there was any sort of number attached to the answer of the 2nd question, most people might find that unacceptable behaviour no matter how enjoyable and nice the service is. I'm not for or against the sex industry in any way but to think that the sex industry could be as socially acceptable akin to the hospitality industry seems far fetched when considering the majority's attachments to socially created morals.

OC

[SNAAAAKE]

i'd recommend all the low tier asian guys who get friendzoned by asian girls to fuck hookers. it will change their whole way of thinking, and that in itself is invaluable.

LOL :rofl:

that sounds very convincing. I am not necessarily "low tier" or anything but I also cant score bitchs in the 9-10 hotness level. might have to give this a try someday..

[Insaniac2]

exactly. i don't complain because a waiter is only nice to me because i'm tipping him. nor do i complain when a teacher is teaching me just because i'm paying tuition. i'm not banging hookers because i'm looking for love, i'm banging them to fulfill my sexual urges.

again i'd just like to reiterate that banging hookers is what for me, puts me in the right mind set to eventually get into a real relationship with a girl. i used to be a nice guy who put the pussy on a pedestal and reeked of desperation. now that i know i can bang any girl i want to, whether she be milf, young, bbw, skinny, asian, white, black, latina, russian, or whatever, i could care less. what does it matter if a girl rejects me when i can just purchase a better looking one immediately afterward? i've been far more relaxed and laid back when i go out now. i don't need to stress out about how i'm going to hook up with a girl at the end of the night, because i know that's just a phone call/ email with references away. i'd recommend all the low tier asian guys who get friendzoned by asian girls to fuck hookers. it will change their whole way of thinking, and that in itself is invaluable.

I remember it being almost scary how my outlook changed after the first one. Now I couldn't care less about succeeding with the random hot girl out there, unless she has something other than that to offer.

[pherai]

If there was any sort of number attached to the answer of the 2nd question, most people might find that unacceptable behaviour no matter how enjoyable and nice the service is. I'm not for or against the sex industry in any way but to think that the sex industry could be as socially acceptable akin to the hospitality industry seems far fetched when considering the majority's attachments to socially created morals.

I think he's making the argument that it the social taboo behind paying for sex has no basis with that example, and you're saying the example is bad because of the social taboo. If the only difference is a social taboo, doesn't that kind of prove his point?

[OrangeCat]

I think he's making the argument that it the social taboo behind paying for sex has no basis with that example, and you're saying the example is bad because of the social taboo. If the only difference is a social taboo, doesn't that kind of prove his point?
No. The point he's trying to prove is that if it's acceptable to receive less than sincere service in the hospitality industry for a nice experience, why can't we be as equally or more accepting of the sex industry if it has a similar quality of faking sincerity for an enjoyable and nice moment.

My point is that his server example was a bad or poor example because it doesn't have a social taboo attached to it which doesn't prove his point, but conflicts with what he is suggesting. The point being discussed here is whether or not that example holds any sort of weight for ignoring the social taboo just because he made a small part of a connection.

OC

[fishjie]

I remember it being almost scary how my outlook changed after the first one. Now I couldn't care less about succeeding with the random hot girl out there, unless she has something other than that to offer.

exactly.

before, when i was in nice guy mode, when i saw a hot girl, i thought:
"DAMN SHES SO OUTTA MY LEAGUE" :sad:

now when i see a hot girl, i'm thinkin....
"ok, she's 500 an hour, MAX. and that better be with greek, untranslated french with BLS, some russian, plus bird watching."

[GC!?]

Agreed, it's just sex, it doesn't have to be anything more than that.

Call hookers "working girls" instead. Just doing their job.

[Azrael]

I was making reference to the argument many of the anti-prostitution camps will make - that its an empty experience and it cheapens the act of sex - because the girl isn't choosing to be there. In that example, I wanted to point out that we often accept services from people who wouldn't otherwise choose to be there, such as at a restaurant. Why is sex so different then? It's exactly as pherai said - because we stick all these social taboos on it that make it different.

I really feel that social attitudes are fucked up when it comes to sex. Its like, we want to enjoy sex, but then there are these social stigmas limiting just how and why we can enjoy sex, and we don't even know how it happened, we just follow it blindly. I really do feel that sex and eating are highly similar. They're both biological processes meant to keep humanity alive. However, they both possess the potential to be very enjoyable. However, eating is allowed to be very casual and vices forgiven, while sex is judged and criticized harshly. Why? How did this happen?

-Ask someone how many servers they've encountered at restaurants.
-Ask the same person how many prostitutes or instances of sex for money they've had.

If there was any sort of number attached to the answer of the 2nd question, most people might find that unacceptable behaviour no matter how enjoyable and nice the service is.
The funny thing about sex in society is how much of it we keep a secret. More guys visit prostitutes than one might think. Many guys may be open to the idea, but exercise restraint due to the risk of being caught, as well as the social stigma of "a guy who had to pay for it." Women regularly hide the true number of sexual partners they've had. And many women want to be having more sex, but force themselves not to in order to avoid being labeled a slut. There are large sub-cultures of S&M fans, swingers, and what have you, but most people keep it secret in order not to be judged. You just never know whether the neighbors next door attend swinging parties on the weekends, or the lady you occasionally talk to at the water cooler at work likes to be tied up and ball-gagged.

So we've got this huge sub-culture of people who do engage in and enjoy these activities, but then everybody's got to exercise restraint and hold back as to not be judged by society. If everyone wants to do it...why don't we just do it without the judging? Who made up these rules anyway, and why are we adhering so strictly to them? I just find it all terribly odd.

[Weeks]

For me it's less about the sex and more about being wanted and desired, turning a chick on and having her cry out my name with some authentic emotion. That's why I've never been interested in hookers - the whole point of the experience is like a validation in being desired, in a girl finding me attractive and sexy enough to let me cum on her face.

If I just want to get off in a wet hole I can always fuck grateful fat chicks.

[wepeel]

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a locked religious thread...but how could it not without the suggestion that these values of perversion are a result of the Judeo-Christian values that America has continued to perpetuate throughout its country (and by proxy, the rest of the world via our media)?

When I say perversion, I am talking about the social stigmas that accompany sex. We (as in Americans) seemed to be frightened by the most natural of urges, and have gone to extreme lengths to suppress anything sexual as if it were evil. The real perverts are the ones who have suppressed any kind of sexual thought or action...I know one personally. This guy, in the 20 years he had lived, had never masturbated thanks to his unyielding beliefs fostered by his ultra-conservative parents. His girlfriend (at the time) had to "direct" him through the motions of 1st base for crying outloud...quite perverse..............hehe, when she got tired of his corny disposition, she would turn to me for the physical needs :tup: SCORE!

[Stuckey]

This thread is deep like Karrine Steffans gaping hollow vagina.

Azrael: Well said on the last post homey.

[GeoG2]

Well now you are creating multi-faceted criteria for defining "normal." In that example a hooker and a date is no different to you because you have similar expectations for both- which is sex. That could be seen insular and subjective, because unless you know for certain that the date's initial incentives was also sex, any prior interaction could be translated as non-sexual feelings- which, eventually created sexual desire for the woman during that time. With a prostitute, it is merely a business transaction in which she can play multiple roles to substitute those same interactions. Nevertheless, she knows why she's there and the expectations involved.

It really has nothing to do with expectations. Not many expect to get laid on the first night. We just live in a time where women themselves will invite a dude in without us asking... so that's where that example stems from.

"Normal" will always be defined by each person's beliefs, commonly influenced by outside factors. For example, you can't tell a guy who sleeps around that he should be "normal" and settle down with a family, because at the end of the day, that guy has his own views on such things, as does everybody. Being a husband and having kids may not be normal to him. Going on dates may not be normal either. Maybe quick sex with a random whore is.

The commonly accepted beliefs are always considered the norm and factual. I hate to bring religion into it, but Christianity is such an example.

So in that regard I wouldn't define that as normal human interaction, or even a mean of human interaction.

It isn't normal to you because you haven't opened up to it.

Paying for a whore is like paying for a guy to cut your grass; a simple service done out of need. There's no mental health ramifications involved unless the person tries to mistake a whore for more than such. You're interacting with another human... it's a human interactive situation. The "normal" label attached to it is subjective. That's all I'm saying.

we set up social order to control our behavior, why? Because we have the intellect and foresight to see the consequences of our actions as a whole.

A group of idealists and thinkers (a very select group of true intellectuals) come together to study progression and where society is headed, and from there they acknowledge the threat of a lawless society and dangers it represents. Then laws are formed, clamped down... bingo. People as a whole lack foresight. The leaders are the ones that pave the way for the sheep. The sheep are easily controlled, for a time, because they don't know how to think for themselves because of undeveloped individuality.

Morality is used to attack a person's mind and make them feel regret. Society is set up to attack a person's mind constantly. If you do something bad, you might go to jail... so we think before we do. If we do something REALLY bad, we might go to hell. It's a multi-layered system used to keep a person in check. Morality becomes subjective once a person grows up and develops their owns views that conflict from what they were taught, from what was used to control them.

Morally speaking, whores are looked down upon. That's just society still trying to put restraints on open sexuality. It's all about control.

Well it all depends in how you define "love." There are chemical constituents specifically tied to strong emotions beyond mere infatuation (such as oxytocin), so if I was to define love as that, it wouldn't be wrong. There's also love in terms of being aware of ones emotions/mind and choosing an action that goes against our natural survival instinct, also known as "agape love", which is a defining human trait.

I meant the whole infatuation thing. That's never really happened to me.

When I got to the point where I could clearly separate love from lust, everything was obvious lust.

There are constant divorces and infidelities, which doesn't surprise me in a society where we have less social governors for people's actions. I'm sure if the families of previous decades had less cultural tethering on what is "acceptable behavior" (tying in with women's rights) divorces would've been much more common in those days as well. Personally, I believe marriage is archaic and unnecessary in maintaining a solid but less consequential commitment, so these results doesn't surprise me in the least. In fact, in tribal societies that have divorce, they're actually fairly common as well, and carry zero social taboos.

I agree with all this, and a lot of what you said afterwards.

As society grew, it became harder to control... thus no shock at what we see now.

Lastly, the irony is that many posters supporting the unions of various members: *"You go AZ, I knew you'd find a good one!" "Yo, Ronin, you're a lucky man for finding that special someone, she RC'd those stairs!" "Shin-Mech-Brian I'm jealous!"* are amongst the same who also believe in similar philosophies to GeoG2's. Maybe it is just a sense of personal hope in the guise of e-camaraderie but it's just something I notice, that's all.

I'm not too surprised... we're all hypocritical in a way.

You know I've been labeled a woman hater before... I've also been labeled a guy that showcases the faults of relationships with women while not undermining them and still showing appreciation. It all depends on interpretation.

There will always be 2 sides to our thought process as we mature and go through certain situations. Realistically, we're happy at someone forming a relationship. Subconsciously, usually influenced by our own experiences, we think differently. It's not so much irony as it is natural balanced perception.

Humans somehow get satisfaction in being proven wrong in something we see no hope in. We know a relationship might not last, but the possibility of it lasting is intriguing. So you're right, it is hope.

[Million]

y'know...even though Karrine is obviously a loose whore and a psycho bitch...I couldn't turn that down. I don't care that she's probably sucked off 99% of the rap industry and then some. That bitch is a smoking hot piece of ass.

*oh yeah, and in the rare occasion I've congratulated someone on getting married...chances are it was fake as hell. We say a lot of things in life purely to be polite, and to avoid *always* being such a Debbie Downer.

[Stuckey]

I gotta agree. I haven't heard of any of those rappers having complications with AIDS so I'd shield up and run up in her like a fuckin S.W.A.T. Team.

She's still a MEGA whore though and her pussy is probably hollow like Wrigley Field.

[GeoG2]

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a locked religious thread...but how could it not without the suggestion that these values of perversion are a result of the Judeo-Christian values that America has continued to perpetuate throughout its country (and by proxy, the rest of the world via our media)?

When I say perversion, I am talking about the social stigmas that accompany sex. We (as in Americans) seemed to be frightened by the most natural of urges, and have gone to extreme lengths to suppress anything sexual as if it were evil. The real perverts are the ones who have suppressed any kind of sexual thought or action...I know one personally. This guy, in the 20 years he had lived, had never masturbated thanks to his unyielding beliefs fostered by his ultra-conservative parents. His girlfriend (at the time) had to "direct" him through the motions of 1st base for crying outloud...quite perverse..............hehe, when she got tired of his corny disposition, she would turn to me for the physical needs :tup: SCORE!

I can relate to that guy.

I used to avoid temptation and masturbation at all costs, but it had nothing to do with being conservative. I've just always been one that hates being told what to do or being controlled. Your hormones will just totally take over sometimes and tell you what to do/think, and I tried to fight that whenever.

Ironically, I'm a fucking freak now. I need it every single day. Watching a porn or being in a club for me is like being controlled by Jolie in Beowulf... I get in a trance.

This helped me understand a lot; trying to control your needs and urges to such an affect only increases your appetite later on. Sexual repression leads to sexual overload. I figure this is part of how rapists and sexual deviants are born.

[Nokato]

Lol, if people wanna fuck other people for money and they both consent--let them. If they understand the potential risks that are involved whether mental, or physical then its an act they're commit with consent.

I don't buy hookers but if someone else wants to do that--its not my place to tell them not to, regardless of whatever reason they choose to go to a hooker.

If you can fuck, then fuck. As long as its something both partners agree on and its not hurting anyone.

[white shadow]

The commonly accepted beliefs are always considered the norm and factual. I hate to bring religion into it, but Christianity is such an example.

Heh. I guess we have come to a consensus on something. But I'm going to avoid elaborating for the thread's sake.


Paying for a whore is like paying for a guy to cut your grass; a simple service done out of need. There's no mental health ramifications involved unless the person tries to mistake a whore for more than such. You're interacting with another human... it's a human interactive situation. The "normal" label attached to it is subjective. That's all I'm saying.

At the risk of using other analogies, let me illustrate what I'm saying. Nothing is wrong with eating burgers once in awhile, but if it gets to the point where you develop a dependence on burgers to fill all your food groups, causing obesity, then you have a problem. What if obesity becomes "normal" in America? Ok fine, but the health risk has nothing to do with what is "subjective."

The thread starter's title "I think I might have a problem" wasn't about him asserting the normalcy of his lifestyle, he was questioning it. I believe if someone thinks they have a problem, then act of them thinking they do have a problem, presents one. Now, if he currently he feels that he doesn't then maybe he's fine and can find contentment in his current lifestyle.

I've not attacked the viability of prostitutes for sexual release, only a need for them to fill other problems that might exist as a reason for using one... same applies to food/drug addiction or anything else for that matter.

A group of idealists and thinkers (a very select group of true intellectuals) come together to study progression and where society is headed, and from there they acknowledge the threat of a lawless society and dangers it represents. Then laws are formed, clamped down... bingo. People as a whole lack foresight. The leaders are the ones that pave the way for the sheep. The sheep are easily controlled, for a time, because they don't know how to think for themselves because of undeveloped individuality.


True to an extent. You can claim "sheep-ism" on the masses but people can also see the ramifications of certain actions, even if they weren't the propagators of these thoughts. In reality, no one person could create a logical system of government and the subjugation of knowledge for the masses that has existed since the dawn of civilization is not as controlled today (thanks Gutenberg and Gore! lol). People today can ebb between being sheep and individuals at their own choosing. It's just unfortunate that many choose the former.


I'm not too surprised... we're all hypocritical in a way.

Humans somehow get satisfaction in being proven wrong in something we see no hope in. We know a relationship might not last, but the possibility of it lasting is intriguing. So you're right, it is hope.

I see.

[Arsenal]

I think the great, late George Carlin said something to the effect of "Why is it that in America, you can give sex away for free, and it's okay, but if you try to sell it, it's illegal." Too true my nig, too true.

[akumatrunigga]

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a locked religious thread...but how could it not without the suggestion that these values of perversion are a result of the Judeo-Christian values that America has continued to perpetuate throughout its country (and by proxy, the rest of the world via our media)?

When I say perversion, I am talking about the social stigmas that accompany sex. We (as in Americans) seemed to be frightened by the most natural of urges, and have gone to extreme lengths to suppress anything sexual as if it were evil. The real perverts are the ones who have suppressed any kind of sexual thought or action...I know one personally. This guy, in the 20 years he had lived, had never masturbated thanks to his unyielding beliefs fostered by his ultra-conservative parents. His girlfriend (at the time) had to "direct" him through the motions of 1st base for crying outloud...quite perverse..............hehe, when she got tired of his corny disposition, she would turn to me for the physical needs :tup: SCORE!

I agree very strongly. It is tiresome hearing the same old story of this crap (sex is evil and you're fornicating) :rolleyes: Anyway but I agree with the other posters lets not make it go any further.

[fishjie]

I think the great, late George Carlin said something to the effect of "Why is it that in America, you can give sex away for free, and it's okay, but if you try to sell it, it's illegal." Too true my nig, too true.

RIP george carlin you are a god

he just calls out the bullshit and pulls no punches

[Serpent]

Lastly, the irony is that many posters supporting the unions of various members: *"You go AZ, I knew you'd find a good one!" "Yo, Ronin, you're a lucky man for finding that special someone, she RC'd those stairs!" "Shin-Mech-Brian I'm jealous!"* are amongst the same who also believe in similar philosophies to GeoG2's. Maybe it is just a sense of personal hope in the guise of e-camaraderie but it's just something I notice, that's all.

I am only quoting this because it keeps getting re-quoted, and obviously I am being implicated in it.

I am conspicuously absent from Az's and RC's threads. I don't know if I was around with SMB-A-Chan, but since I know both of them through SRK (at least to the level over a forum) and they've exhibited every trait that shows it'd work, and both have a great mentality, I think that one will work. It'd be better if I met them in person, but that is the one that will work. It's not impossible, it's just extremely difficult. You need BOTH partners to be mature and work well together.

If I mentioned anything in Az or RC's thread it was out of friendliness, or I must have expressed my reservations already. Az actually posted directly to me that he was getting a lot of advantages from marriage since he was a foreigner, so he had other circumstances that made him unique. RC has my AIM and can always just reach me that way.

I've probably said Az will fail. He's already had problems, and I've commented on them and given the correct advice (i wrote the man-up post while the rest of you pussies were blaming her, yeah, I'M the one who hates women blindly huh?). Unless something magically changes, this one is pretty fragile. Again I only see it on the internet though.

What good is it though to say that when he's getting married? It's a pretty bitch move to try and ruin someone else's happiness. I bought a car a few years back and some loser starts ragging on it, it's like wtf, what's wrong with you? Or if someone buys an Xbox 360, to start ragging on it and hyping up the PS3, it's like basically your comments are useless, what's done is done and you're not making those comments to help, you can only negatively harm the person. Marriage is an even bigger commitment and change than either of the above, so it's even worse. You don't return a 360 for fear of the RROD after you already bought it, just like you don't get divorced because you fear divorce, it's just illogical to perform an act in order to avoid that act.

So instead we wish each other the best of luck, because we are at the very least cordial with each other in this community. Fortunately most of us are far better adjusted than that loser that everybody hates that always says the wrong thing at the wrong time. Like the guy I listed in my car example. He actually "rick rolled" me on AIM and got mad when I told him to fuck off. A couple of us were sitting at a bar and he came up (we knew the kid from high school) and everybody still hates him and apparently nobody talks to him. Why do you want to be "that" guy?

[Orochi Ken]

Isn't there a high chance of getting busted by the cops?

[OrangeCat]

I was making reference to the argument many of the anti-prostitution camps will make - that its an empty experience and it cheapens the act of sex - because the girl isn't choosing to be there. In that example, I wanted to point out that we often accept services from people who wouldn't otherwise choose to be there, such as at a restaurant. Why is sex so different then? It's exactly as pherai said - because we stick all these social taboos on it that make it different.
If we consider escort services and restaurants sure, I suppose I can concede to your line of thinking. However I doubt that a lot of prostitution is as rosy as escort services. While some restaurant servers might be doing such a shit job just to support their crack habit, I doubt that they are at the mercy of a pimp who's keeping them in line and in hand in order to continue providing the service. Therein lies the rub not only social taboos but what contributes to these taboos.
I really feel that social attitudes are fucked up when it comes to sex. Its like, we want to enjoy sex, but then there are these social stigmas limiting just how and why we can enjoy sex, and we don't even know how it happened, we just follow it blindly. I really do feel that sex and eating are highly similar. They're both biological processes meant to keep humanity alive. However, they both possess the potential to be very enjoyable. However, eating is allowed to be very casual and vices forgiven, while sex is judged and criticized harshly. Why? How did this happen?
While I do agree that social attitudes about sex are a bit fucked up as well and I imagine that everyone would love to have a good fuck was it not for some sort of cultural stigma attached to that type of shit, but I do have to say that the emotional attachment to each activity is far different than you make it out to be. You're not going to hurt food's feelings if you say "It was a good run, but I'm tired of you and not going to eat you ever again." You might offend the cooks, but a lot of them have developed a hard enough hide to accept rejection. Funnily enough in saying that perhaps what is the most problematic thing about sex is people unable to accept emotional rejection and must attribute some sort of emotional attachment with sex. If they only developed a better tolerance to such rejection perhaps they they can enjoy sex without strings attached.
So we've got this huge sub-culture of people who do engage in and enjoy these activities, but then everybody's got to exercise restraint and hold back as to not be judged by society. If everyone wants to do it...why don't we just do it without the judging? Who made up these rules anyway, and why are we adhering so strictly to them? I just find it all terribly odd.
That goes into something a bit too far in depth that I'm wiling to tread in from what I can see other people are talking about it anyways.

OC