The Official SRK Poker Thread

[Adam Warlock]

The old thread is gone it seems so i wanted to start a new one since I'm pissed that I missed out on the info.

I want to get into poker. I'm a beast at higher level math, but I've never really sat down and tried to learn the poker applications for it. Oddly enough, poker itself doesn't interest me as much as "the math behind it" that I keep hearing about. What are some good starting points? Books? Sites? I see terms thrown around like ICM, but I'm not sure what they mean.

[Plutoburn]

I guess you'd be more interested in limit games.

Just curious, is there any way for Canadians to play online with real money with credit card?

[Adam Warlock]

What's a limit game?

[Plutoburn]

What's a limit game?

There is a limit to how much you can bet per turn. This format gives players who are better at calculating odds an advantage, NL gives players who knows how to read another players an advantage. But this is a generalization.

[angryliberal]

the standards for poker playing would be super system and super system 2 by doyle brunson for reading. i also like dan harrington's books on tournament poker. there are like 2-3 other standards for poker on odds, and reading the table, but i forget the names.

i suck at math, but i'm a people-watcher, so studying people and their actions is my forte in poker. which means, i really suck at online poker...

[Dirt Mc Girt]

the math of poker isn't really that difficult, just read msg boards like twoplustwo

basically every scenario has been posted there and analyzed by a bunch of people

it doesn't take long to get good at poker, but the second level that most people don't get is game selection.

building a big database through data mining on sites with poker tracker/a HUD program and then proper game selection is really key if you want to make money at medium stakes

at higher stakes it becomes more of a mind game than math

[hyt]

I guess you'd be more interested in limit games.

Just curious, is there any way for Canadians to play online with real money with credit card?

Hahaha I want to know too. Esp since FT and PS took out ePassporte =(

If you're getting started, you need to distinguish between cash games and tournaments (which varies between multitable and single table). General concepts can be interchangeable between both, but some of the higher level concepts (like folding rockets on the bubble in tournaments) are unique to a specific format.

If you're really mathy, then The Theory of Poker and Bill Chen's The Mathematics of Poker should be recommended reading.

[TheWholeFnShow]

I'd suggest reading Small Stakes Hold'Em by David Sklansky. :karate:

[DaDesiCanadian]

Poker doesn't really require any higher level math, so you shouldn't have any problems. Learn how to count outs, and you're already better than 50% of the field.

[Nagata Lock II]

Get a copy of Super System 2. It's the bible of poker and covers all the major games.

Get yourself a Cardrunners account.

Sign up at 2+2 Forums

If you're math oriented then learn how to play Limit Hold Em.

The math behind poker can be extraordinarily difficult if you want to really get into the intricate stuff. Jeff Madsen wrote about the algebra of poker in last month's Bluff Magazine and I was like "UH...."

[DaDesiCanadian]

The math behind poker can be extraordinarily difficult if you want to really get into the intricate stuff. Jeff Madsen wrote about the algebra of poker in last month's Bluff Magazine and I was like "UH...."

Seriously? I gotta check that out. I figured it would get more complex the higher the level of play, but I didn't think it would be hard enough so that the average layman wouldn't be able to grasp it.

[hyt]

Seriously? I gotta check that out. I figured it would get more complex the higher the level of play, but I didn't think it would be hard enough so that the average layman wouldn't be able to grasp it.

You ever read the wikipedia article on poker odds? Talk about overkill.

ICM is supposed to be an important concept in tournament poker, but last time I checked the math is pretty messy.

[Dirt Mc Girt]

the main thing you have to remember about poker is you need to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em

once you realize that, the math doesn't even matter

also i suggest buying sunglasses even when you play at home because a lot of people have been known to hack webcams to see into your soul when playing online and the sunglasses will protect you

and always keep chips at your desk to shuffle while playign online to recreate the casino atmosphere

[insanelee]

play nl O8

[DaFlipMastaXV]

If you're interested in ICM looks like you should just be playing sit n gos. SNGs have pretty much been figured out and it's all math based decisions.

Also lol at everyone saying he should play limit poker just because he likes math. Pot odds, ranges are also needed in NL/PL games. The only difference is that there is more information that can be given in no limit games meaning the math isn't as important, but that doesnt mean its not there. It's not all "feel", theres quite a bit of math in those games even though no one really wants to admit it.

Here's a start to some math that some poker players haven't read, it's a really good article:

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/onlinefeature/gbucks.asp

Also NL08 is probably the softest game on FTP right now

[Shafted!]

Play and play a lot. If you want, come down to tampa and we'll go to the hard rock. You can crash at my place ant.

[flipkev]

Here's a great site to read through at work:

http://www.highstakesnews.com/

Just some good stories/articles.

Best online site to join/start is Pokerstars; I've played at FullTilt for about 5 years, then when I started at P* I've never looked back.

Also I'll be in Atlantic City July 27th - 29th grinding the 2/5 NL Hold'em tables at the Taj. Might go to the Borgata to look at waitress tits that are under 50 years old, cause the Taj cocktail waitresses are :tdown: Anyone wanna come say hi or say something to my face you're more than welcome to.

*Random

As for the math part just memorize some key aspects:

-Flopping a straight is 1 in 76
-Flopping a flush is 1 in 118
-Being dealt any pocket pair is 1 in 220
-Hitting a set (your pocket pair hitting the third card) off the flop is 1 in 8
-Two overcards (ex AK) verses most pocket pairs (ex pocket 10s) is 49% to 51% in the pocket 10s favor

[b1gazn]

Also I'll be in Atlantic City July 27th - 29th grinding the 2/5 NL Hold'em tables at the Taj. Might go to the Borgata to look at waitress tits that are under 50 years old, cause the Taj cocktail waitresses are :tdown: Anyone wanna come say hi or say something to my face you're more than welcome to.

Wow, NKen and I are going from the 20-23. A week too late. We play the Midnite Madness at the Taj. Ima win the bitch this time around.

[Shafted!]

cardplayer.com is good too, browse through their articles.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

As for the math part just memorize some key aspects:

-Clopping a straight is 1 in 76
-Flopping a flush is 1 in 118
-Being dealt any pocket pair is 1 in 220
-Hitting a set (your pocket pair hitting the third card) off the flop is 1 in 8
-Two overcards (ex AK) verses most pocket pairs (ex pocket 10s) is 49% to 51% in the pocket 10s favor

The first 2 are useless and don't really need to be memorized, and TT is way more than 51-49 over AK, more like 55-45

[flipkev]

Wow, NKen and I are going from the 20-23. A week too late. We play the Midnite Madness at the Taj. Ima win the bitch this time around.

I love those also, still $65 right?

Last time I went I saw Cindy Violette and the bitch refused to take a pic with me. Then again I was on the end of a 30 hour run, probably didn't smell/come off too good:wonder:

The first 2 are useless and don't really need to be memorized, and TT is way more than 51-49 over AK, more like 55-45

I should've used a mid-pocket pair as an example, over cards versus pair have varying percentages cause of straight possibilities. Also I mentioned the first two just for shits and giggles, like hitting the two perfect runner runner cards (like running royal flush) is 1 in 989 :shrug:

Also for god's sake know what pot odds are and when to use it as a reason to call anything. I hate it when donkeys call shit down claiming "pot odds" when it's clearly not, like heads up:rolleyes:

[hyt]

Best online site to join/start is Pokerstars; I've played at FullTilt for about 5 years, then when I started at P* I've never looked back.


This is for cash and not SNG right? For SNG I like the FT structure more as the blind jumps are more gradual after 25/50.

[flipkev]

This is for cash and not SNG right? For SNG I like the FT structure more as the blind jumps are more gradual after 25/50.

I like P* > FullTilt because of the point system, it's so broke. If I wasn't so impatient and waste my current points on bonuses I'd probably some kinda ipod by now.

But you're right, FullTilt is way above Pokerstars in terms of organization, structure and even viewing your hand history.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

I like P* > FullTilt because of the point system, it's so broke. If I wasn't so impatient and waste my current points on bonuses I'd probably some kinda ipod by now.

But you're right, FullTilt is way above Pokerstars in terms of organization, structure and even viewing your hand history.

Stars does crush FTP in Customer Service, I like their MTTs better. As for hand histories, I used to have this big problem with FTP MTTs when I would miss a hand or two while taking a piss or not paying attention, seeing my table break, and not being able to view the hand history anymore. I haven't played there in like 6 months so I'm not sure whether they changed it.

Also Stars MTT structures have improved a LOT from back in the day.

[b1gazn]

I love those also, still $65 right?


Yeah, I've final table 3 times in a row. NKen won it for $2,300.

[N-Ken]

Warlock if you want to learn some about ICM or SNGs in general you can drop me a pm, I kind of do this shit alot.

[N-Ken]

ROFL at Jeff Madsen writing about poker math lololl

but yes poker math is waaaaaaaaay more complicated then knowing hand equities which is what everyones talking about.

EXCEPT TEE BEE FUCKIN SEVEN PLUS TEN

How goes the grind?

[Sacr3D]

I guess you'd be more interested in limit games.

Just curious, is there any way for Canadians to play online with real money with credit card?

Yeah I use http://www.clickandbuy.com to transfer my credit card fees to pokerstars and cash out.


edit : So I recently started playing poker , it's a pretty fun game. I started playing a bit on facebook and got addicted more and more until I decided to play with real money on Pokerstars and see if I can gather some money. So far I lost 10$.

I suck at math and I play poker really conservatively. I usually always fold when people limp. I learned to fold cards like AK / AA / QQ / KK too. I never seem to win with those cards. I also play alot of S&G though since I do well much more than regular tables. I usually play micro tables too since I don't really want to be wasting crazy amounts of money on poker.

Oh and what program should I use to track my hands and stuff ?

[flipkev]

How goes the grind?

My last run at 2/5 NL was OK, I gotta stop wasting my money though:mad: Oh well, go again in December:wonder:

Oh and a good website to track hands is www.pokerhands.com

[DaFlipMastaXV]

I suck at math and I play poker really conservatively. I usually always fold when people limp. I learned to fold cards like AK / AA / QQ / KK too. I never seem to win with those cards. I also play alot of S&G though since I do well much more than regular tables. I usually play micro tables too since I don't really want to be wasting crazy amounts of money on poker.


what?

[N-Ken]

what?

lolol dont even worry about it imo, they have to want to take the red pill before the relearning process can begin.

Im about to be banned from 2p2 do you want to be my friend and talk about cash hands???!?!? DEEPSTACKED VS NITTY REG BOTTOM PAIR + FD OOP GOGOGOGOGOGO

[Deus]

lolol dont even worry about it imo, they have to want to take the red pill before the relearning process can begin.

Im about to be banned from 2p2 do you want to be my friend and talk about cash hands???!?!? DEEPSTACKED VS NITTY REG BOTTOM PAIR + FD OOP GOGOGOGOGOGO

banned for what?

check/raise flop donkbet turn IMO

[N-Ken]

banned for what?

check/raise flop donkbet turn IMO

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=5357137&postcount=24

prob only a few days but they frown upon telling someone to kill themselves.

c/r fold then? If hes a nit your fucked with his 3betting range it depends on how deep obv but being deep we cant just rely on standard crai and be like lol 5 to 1 if he shoves over the top. By donkbet turn you mean like a gheybet or did we somehow lose impetus in between streets? I guess we'd probably have to establish more than the joke scenario I setup for reads but vs a nit we're facing some problems oop I think vs his c/r calling range, and I know we're facing some problems vs the 3bet, even though I nut for combo draws the pair value quickly diminishes when his range is more 2pr+ type hands

EDIT: OH I did say reg though fuck it jam jam jam if for nothing else than spite

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Leading with bottom pair and a flush draw is much better than a c/r then lead line unless you're oop in raised pot and you aren't the orig raiser

[Deus]

Leading with bottom pair and a flush draw is much better than a c/r then lead line unless you're oop in raised pot and you aren't the orig raiser

raised pot or 3bet pot?

i think leading flop puts you in worst spot, if he calls what do you do on a blank turn? lead again?

if he raises flop lead?

and if you lead and he folds you lost some value you would have induced with a c/raise


also what was action pf?

[N-Ken]

lol I love that theres still no actual hand this is based on do let me make an actual hand

6max cash CO raises 3.5x with about 180bbs behind hes playing 15/13 pf over 284 hands he's really not getting wide at all until the button, uncreative probably playing 12 tables, hero flats 8d7d from the big we cover villain, 8xKdJd flop, gogogo

no bitching about pf allowed

[Deus]

only hands that we're a big dog to are KK, JJ which he isn't folding at all, and because of the fd (assuming he's competent, he isn't going to let us see any cards cheaply)

we're about 40/60 vs KJ, a bit worse against K8 (unlikely) and J8 (more unlikely)

and about even with most other hands

most effective way to play this, i think, is heavy aggression on flop

because we flatted pf (what is our image thus far in the game?) by c/raising flop we're inducing the cbet + abusing FE and (dependent on our table image we could be trapping here with a set, oesfd, air) i think c/r sets us up better for later streets

i don't like a donkbet on flop because of the difficulty of assessing villain's range

say we donkbet, he flats- now what?

he rr- by his stats and multi tables, this could just be positional abuse or KJ, KK, JJ, although very unlikely, another flush draw with overs

do we 3bet his rr? do we flat (without odds for our fd)?

flip, why do you like donkbetting here?

i still like c/r flop, lead turn heavy

our draw is far too strong and our showdown value too weak to just c/c or bet/fold on flop

[N-Ken]

FWIW I fucked up the board originally I was talking a much wetter board like KQJ two tone we have J8 flush draw

This hand isnt as interesting cause his range cant be nearly as strong

and ya I think its gotta be just cr and go apeshit on the flop as much as possible

KQJ tho it gets interesting

[N-Ken]

omfg new stars client has fucking animated hhs built in wtf Im an american god bless technology

[Deus]

FWIW I fucked up the board originally I was talking a much wetter board like KQJ two tone we have J8 flush draw

This hand isnt as interesting cause his range cant be nearly as strong

and ya I think its gotta be just cr and go apeshit on the flop as much as possible

KQJ tho it gets interesting

i think im c/raising KQJ flop too but not betting turn unless i improve drastically

yeah, stars finally got that shit, i like the new lobby theme i just hate how the join table button is so small and cashier button is on right

what stakes do you play btw?

[N-Ken]

i think im c/raising KQJ flop too but not betting turn unless i improve drastically

yeah, stars finally got that shit, i like the new lobby theme i just hate how the join table button is so small and cashier button is on right

what stakes do you play btw?

lol thats a good question atm

right now Im playing 60 stts/steps/sundays sort of, trying to move over to cash for good but dumbass tournaments are like sand traps

I think I agree with KQJ thoughts

[Deus]

what's your roi for the 60s?

and at what level do you think the players actually become competent? $22s?

[N-Ken]

what's your roi for the 60s?

and at what level do you think the players actually become competent? $22s?

lol its so sad now like 4% or something

which is funny because my roi at 114s is 8 or 9, and I just saw that at the 225s its 12 loll

yay sample sizes

as for when ppl become competent, well like Ill put my boy sippin_criss vs just about any snger in the world and be comfortable and he plays 16s, but vast majority of people are blathering retard spewmonkeys at the 60s and below, 114s are where it starts to get hairier

[N-Ken]

Oh and please, PLLLLEEEASE for the love of god let me luckbox this 2x status freeroll, ONE FUCKING TIME 5X FPP

[flipkev]

Oh and please, PLLLLEEEASE for the love of god let me luckbox this 2x status freeroll, ONE FUCKING TIME 5X FPP

We need to go to AC together....no homo:wonder: What are you Elite status at P*:angel:

[mylthazz]

yo GUYS i've been hearing about this INTERNET CHEATING POKER SCANDAL

and I JUST LOST WITH AA to 4 6

I MEAN ITS LIKE HE KNEW MY CARDS

do you think he was cheating

ok thank you

[DaFlipMastaXV]

only hands that we're a big dog to are KK, JJ which he isn't folding at all, and because of the fd (assuming he's competent, he isn't going to let us see any cards cheaply)

we're about 40/60 vs KJ, a bit worse against K8 (unlikely) and J8 (more unlikely)

and about even with most other hands

most effective way to play this, i think, is heavy aggression on flop

because we flatted pf (what is our image thus far in the game?) by c/raising flop we're inducing the cbet + abusing FE and (dependent on our table image we could be trapping here with a set, oesfd, air) i think c/r sets us up better for later streets

i don't like a donkbet on flop because of the difficulty of assessing villain's range

say we donkbet, he flats- now what?

he rr- by his stats and multi tables, this could just be positional abuse or KJ, KK, JJ, although very unlikely, another flush draw with overs

do we 3bet his rr? do we flat (without odds for our fd)?

flip, why do you like donkbetting here?

i still like c/r flop, lead turn heavy

our draw is far too strong and our showdown value too weak to just c/c or bet/fold on flop

I never said I like a donkbet, if we aren't in control then of course a c/r is pretty much standard. I'm merely talking about hands where we are oop and the pot isn't raised. Which if we're playing 6 max and we're oop, it'd be pretty bad if you called a raise with 78d in the bb even 180 bbs deep.

Also we're a pretty big dog to hands like QTs and 9Ts...should be around 2 to 1. Around the same as KK/JJ. Pretty much, C/R is standard with that hand, pushing the turn heavy is kinda leaky though, because if he's calling the flop, it's gonna be hard for him to fold the turn. Also hands that should be folding the turn to a big turn bet (AK, QT, better spade draws), will probably check, and since you probably don't have the best hand, he'll check behind and you get a free card.

So yea, c/r flop and you pretty much have to be checking turn unless you improve. The medicore hands will check behind, and you'd only have to face a big turn bet from floats or sets.

N-Ken, stop playing SNGs and play real poker :(

[Sacr3D]

what?

Okay sorry if that didn't make any sense. To sum it up, I learned to fold top pairs depending on the situation rather than just sticking with them until showdown. I previously thought that they were unbeatable. Like I said, I'm still a noob =/

[N-Ken]

Terrence Bowman the 17th:

I know man, I know:( Ill get my penis back soon enough...

[N-Ken]

And I did get banned from 2p2 but only a day cause Im slick like that

[ImagineVC]

poker is my main source of income right now. i suck at the whole "math behind poker" theories. the only math i really ever do is how many "outs" i have. but to calculate how many outs you have, you would first have to be able to read your opponent and figure out what he has before calculating what cards you can catch to beat his hand (aka "outs").

limit poker is not a good way to play poker unless you are playing high stakes limit. anyone who isn't a pro will be playing low stakes limit poker and its because it has a limit, it is so cheap to keep seeing the next cards so there will be alot of people "chasing". this takes alot of the skill out of poker and it really does come down to who has the best cards and not who is the best poker player.

[Sacr3D]

Looks like I have to read about "outs" then. I want to improve my game as fast as I can, I'm not getting alot of cash.

[N-Ken]

poker is my main source of income right now. i suck at the whole "math behind poker" theories. the only math i really ever do is how many "outs" i have. but to calculate how many outs you have, you would first have to be able to read your opponent and figure out what he has before calculating what cards you can catch to beat his hand (aka "outs").

limit poker is not a good way to play poker unless you are playing high stakes limit. anyone who isn't a pro will be playing low stakes limit poker and its because it has a limit, it is so cheap to keep seeing the next cards so there will be alot of people "chasing". this takes alot of the skill out of poker and it really does come down to who has the best cards and not who is the best poker player.

lol no

it takes skill to play your hand better than monkeys, that doesnt magically change because people dont fold

[ShawnLoganownzu]

limit poker is not a good way to play poker unless you are playing high stakes limit. anyone who isn't a pro will be playing low stakes limit poker and its because it has a limit, it is so cheap to keep seeing the next cards so there will be alot of people "chasing". this takes alot of the skill out of poker and it really does come down to who has the best cards and not who is the best poker player.

limit takes skill too. last time i played live limit at a 2/4 table i made a guy a fold kings heads up on 4th st... board was Q58Q, i held A5, he bet the flop i called, he bet the turn, i made a quick raise, he got pissy and folded kings.. i lol'd and showed him my pair of 5's. I just sensed he didnt have a Q, had he re raised i wouldve folded, had he called i would have check/called the river

[N-Ken]

lolololol that hand is too good shawn

[ImagineVC]

this is the reason i don't take part in poker forums. there are way too many variables in poker and it is always situational.
i know N-ken has been playing poker for awhile so i wont dismiss what YOU believe but for you to dismiss what i believe is pure ignorance. i've been playing full time live and online poker for the past 2 years so believe me when i say i know what i'm talking about.
that being said, dont take part in poker forums, just play and learn. im not saying you wont be successful if you take part in poker forums but i didnt choose that path and im making a very comfortable living.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

limit takes skill too. last time i played live limit at a 2/4 table i made a guy a fold kings heads up on 4th st... board was Q58Q, i held A5, he bet the flop i called, he bet the turn, i made a quick raise, he got pissy and folded kings.. i lol'd and showed him my pair of 5's. I just sensed he didnt have a Q, had he re raised i wouldve folded, had he called i would have check/called the river

live 2/4 limit?

What a depressing game unless you're nutbarring.

[flipkev]

I need to calculate the outs of Rosa giving me a hand job between hands:wonder: Olga too:angel:

[The Chief]

What online poker network do you guy's use?

I only use PartyPoker. I'm rarely on, but it would be cool to get a table set up with some SRK peeps.

[N-Ken]

this is the reason i don't take part in poker forums. there are way too many variables in poker and it is always situational.


Where did anyone say any different? Saying theres no skill in low limit because people dont fold is flat out wrong, it isnt a matter of opinion, but says nothing relating to the situational aspect of poker. You're being results oriented too, sounds like you play live poker in which case I've played more hands of poker in my lifetime than you'll see in the next 15-20 years if all the sudden experience makes you immune to being wrong.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

limit poker is not a good way to play poker unless you are playing high stakes limit. anyone who isn't a pro will be playing low stakes limit poker and its because it has a limit, it is so cheap to keep seeing the next cards so there will be alot of people "chasing". this takes alot of the skill out of poker and it really does come down to who has the best cards and not who is the best poker player.

If you can't win in the goldmine that is low stakes limit games, you won't win in higher limit games. It's pretty foolish to say low limit LHE is a bad way to play poker because it's simply printing money.

[N-Ken]

Yo now that stars has deep stack husngs whos up for a SRK HU event?

Chief I play a bunch of sites but pokerstars gets 97% of my attention.

[The Chief]

Chief I play a bunch of sites but pokerstars gets 97% of my attention.

Ok. I'll have to look for you there if possible. I've never set up tables to play with friends but if it's possible we should try to set that up. Casual fun ftw.

[Deus]

I never said I like a donkbet, if we aren't in control then of course a c/r is pretty much standard. I'm merely talking about hands where we are oop and the pot isn't raised. Which if we're playing 6 max and we're oop, it'd be pretty bad if you called a raise with 78d in the bb even 180 bbs deep.



i think against this particular villain we can turn calling a raise from him in LP into a profitable play even oop


Also we're a pretty big dog to hands like QTs and 9Ts...should be around 2 to 1. Around the same as KK/JJ.


if we get to showdown and he has a higher flush i'm calling it a cooler and typing FML, i can probably count on two hands amount of times i've lost to a higher flush in a raised pot- sure it happens, but i don't think very often (i've played prob a million hands)


Pretty much, C/R is standard with that hand, pushing the turn heavy is kinda leaky though, because if he's calling the flop, it's gonna be hard for him to fold the turn.


again, because of villain's stats and multitabling, if he flats our flop rr i really like a big turn lead since he would let us know if he had KK, JJ, maybe even KJ on flop with a RR, especially since flush draw is on board (unless he also has FD)

we're basically taking the strongest line possible and i think because he's raising much looser in LP, def shows he's positionally aware, in which case i can see him flatting our flop rr and floating later streets if we show weakness


Also hands that should be folding the turn to a big turn bet (AK, QT, better spade draws), will probably check, and since you probably don't have the best hand, he'll check behind and you get a free card.


i don't like a check because we're both showing weakness and not building a pot

also, our equity against top 20% of all possible hands is 60/40,-
Board: Kd Jd 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.291% 40.25% 00.04% 86874 82.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 59.709% 59.67% 00.04% 128782 82.00 { 8d7d }

unless on turn we hit our flush we still won't have much showdown value and the likelihood of getting paid off on river if we do hit our flush is very small, especially considering villain's stats + multitables


So yea, c/r flop and you pretty much have to be checking turn unless you improve. The medicore hands will check behind, and you'd only have to face a big turn bet from floats or sets.


i can see why a turn check works, and i'd prob opt for one 30% of time or so, but majority of time i'm leading turn to abuse FE + build pot

[ImagineVC]

If you can't win in the goldmine that is low stakes limit games, you won't win in higher limit games. It's pretty foolish to say low limit LHE is a bad way to play poker because it's simply printing money.

low stakes is a good way to get some experience and earn nickels and dimes while doing it but it is in no way a goldmine. you would make more money working a normal job with no risk. but it is a good place to get started.

N-ken,
you are obviously the "onliine poker expert" type where every beat is a "bad beat". i was just trying to give the guy some advice and you come raining down on my parade. you do what you do and ill do what i do. all i know is you cant argue with results and im a successful fulltime poker player so argue with that. i wont respond to you because arguing over poker is retarded. by the way i dont care how many hands youve played.

[TheWholeFnShow]

low stakes is a good way to get some experience and earn nickels and dimes while doing it but it is in no way a goldmine. you would make more money working a normal job with no risk. but it is a good place to get started.



Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think by "goldmine," he meant relative to the limits played. 5BB/hr in $1/$2 is nice, but money-wise, it's still $10/hr, versus getting 1BB/hr in $20/$40. :grin:

[N-Ken]

low stakes is a good way to get some experience and earn nickels and dimes while doing it but it is in no way a goldmine. you would make more money working a normal job with no risk. but it is a good place to get started.

N-ken,
you are obviously the "onliine poker expert" type where every beat is a "bad beat". i was just trying to give the guy some advice and you come raining down on my parade. you do what you do and ill do what i do. all i know is you cant argue with results and im a successful fulltime poker player so argue with that. i wont respond to you because arguing over poker is retarded. by the way i dont care how many hands youve played.

rofl you have no fucking clue what you're talking about


Bill wats ur sn I want to know if Ive played with you

[Deus]

bagnus, pretty sure you haven't lol

i'm a bankroll nit and i cash out a lot to pay rent, etc

[N-Ken]

bagnus, pretty sure you haven't lol

i'm a bankroll nit and i cash out a lot to pay rent, etc

Yeah I prob wouldve asked if it was you loll

I feel that man, oh and speaking of cashouts fuck you irs get aids and choke on giant donkey dicks

oh and frist too i hope there was arsenic in that coca cola you fucker I bet you sleep real good at night while satans railing you in the ass and rubbing your nipples you piece of camelshit

[Deus]

which vip 2x tourney are you playing in?

[DaFlipMastaXV]

i don't like a check because we're both showing weakness and not building a pot

also, our equity against top 20% of all possible hands is 60/40,-
Board: Kd Jd 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.291% 40.25% 00.04% 86874 82.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 59.709% 59.67% 00.04% 128782 82.00 { 8d7d }

unless on turn we hit our flush we still won't have much showdown value and the likelihood of getting paid off on river if we do hit our flush is very small, especially considering villain's stats + multitables


Your stove is flawed because theres no way hands like A9o is going to the turn. We're a dog to his 3 betting flop range, and even his range when he calls the flop.

While I do agree that's a fair range for a TAG's opening range, if we put a range that he'll be 3 betting the flop and getting it in, I doubt we'll be much of a favourite if at all (I don't have stove on my laptop but I'd estimate his range of getting it in is KK/JJ/88/KJ/AQs/QTs/9Ts/KJ/AXs?)

His calling range is probably the above hands, mixed in with lesser flush draws and AK/KQ. Even still I think its a bad spot to be in, and defnitely a bad spot to bet because we can't call a raise (especially 180 bbs deep), which means we're basically turning our hand into a bluff. We're probably putting in a combined 20 bbs on the flop and pre, there's no way we can justify putting in 160 more with bottom pair + flush draw.

So we should be getting it in only on the flop, but it's not because we're a favourite against his range, but because our c/r will lay us the price when he 3 bets and we've already put enough in. Although at 180 bbs...I dunno. I'm still not a big fan.

But like, I haven't really played poker in a while, so I dunno if what I'm saying makes any sense anymore.

[N-Ken]

whichever nova field looks like its going to be smaller/ depends when I wake up lol

[daydrinker]

Your stove is flawed because theres no way hands like A9o is going to the turn. We're a dog to his 3 betting flop range, and even his range when he calls the flop.

While I do agree that's a fair range for a TAG's opening range, if we put a range that he'll be 3 betting the flop and getting it in, I doubt we'll be much of a favourite if at all (I don't have stove on my laptop but I'd estimate his range of getting it in is KK/JJ/88/KJ/AQs/QTs/9Ts/KJ/AXs?)

His calling range is probably the above hands, mixed in with lesser flush draws and AK/KQ. Even still I think its a bad spot to be in, and defnitely a bad spot to bet because we can't call a raise (especially 180 bbs deep), which means we're basically turning our hand into a bluff. We're probably putting in a combined 20 bbs on the flop and pre, there's no way we can justify putting in 160 more with bottom pair + flush draw.

So we should be getting it in only on the flop, but it's not because we're a favourite against his range, but because our c/r will lay us the price when he 3 bets and we've already put enough in. Although at 180 bbs...I dunno. I'm still not a big fan.

But like, I haven't really played poker in a while, so I dunno if what I'm saying makes any sense anymore.

Yo, what stakes do you play? or you play tourneys?

Just wondering, since you seem to be one of the more succesful poker players on srk.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

whichever nova field looks like its going to be smaller/ depends when I wake up lol

Being supernova this year looks to be a lot more profitable than when I was supernova last year :(

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Yo, what stakes do you play? or you play tourneys?

Just wondering, since you seem to be one of the more succesful poker players on srk.

I used to play up to 2/4 NL on stars a year ago and got to supernova in like 8 months, now I don't really play much. I went back to school instead of continuing the grind. SN is tb17.

I have about 50k in cashes in donkaments but i'm pretty sure my db shows me as a loser cuz I got backed for a while and I've been scarred for life by dealing with the majors every fucking Sunday of 2007.

[daydrinker]

I used to play up to 2/4 NL on stars a year ago and got to supernova in like 8 months, now I don't really play much. I went back to school instead of continuing the grind.

I have about 50k in cashes in donkaments but i'm pretty sure my db shows me as a loser cuz I got backed for a while and I've been scarred for life by dealing with the majors every fucking Sunday of 2007.

Well, i usually play nl50 and nl100, i know, low stakes, but i guess im still noob and trying to get to a higher level. Anyway, i recently made the switch from FR to 6 max and seem to be doing a little better (although i have always been a winning player in both, just imo i win very little at a time). What would you say are the biggest differences in the 2, other than the obvious like hand selection i guess. I usually play like 22/16 (or something like that) ABC poker with some mixing it up, would you say im better suited to 6 max or FR, and can you give me any more tips to improve my game? Like at these low stakes i have read that you should play like 35+/25+, so yeah what do you think?

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Well, i usually play nl50 and nl100, i know, low stakes, but i guess im still noob and trying to get to a higher level. Anyway, i recently made the switch from FR to 6 max and seem to be doing a little better (although i have always been a winning player in both, just imo i win very little at a time). What would you say are the biggest differences in the 2, other than the obvious like hand selection i guess. I usually play like 22/16 (or something like that) ABC poker with some mixing it up, would you say im better suited to 6 max or FR, and can you give me any more tips to improve my game? Like at these low stakes i have read that you should play like 35+/25+, so yeah what do you think?

Well, when you first play 6 max I suggest like...20/15 to start off. I was always a TAG player for a while, and then I got a couple coaches who told me to open up my game and I pretty much became where I am now, at around 28/22.

I was always a 6 max player though, I only play FR when I play live. I couldn't really give you a good comparison. Although I believe 22/16 is pretty aggro in FR, but I dunno, I probably only have like 10k hands at NLFR, so I wouldn't be able to give you anything.

I would definitely suggest game selecting and knowing who to watch out for. It's basically what kept me going for that time. Look for the regulars, and avoid them if at all possible (which should be easy if you're playing on stars)

Also one thing (this is just my preference) is that when I'm game selecting, I don't look at avg flop or avg pot. I look for even stacks. What I mean is say you want to play 100 max. I look at the stacks, and if I see a buncha 20-60 BB stacks, I don't sit because even if they're bad, it's really hard to play against those kinda stacks. Yet, I also don't want to play against 3+ buyin stacks, because even if they're bad and they could give it away, they can put you in some really gross spots, and most of those stacks didnt get their money by being morons.

So I look for stacks around the 100-120 bb range. And if they aren't regulars, then its a very good game to sit in.

Another thing I'd suggest is to find friends that you can either a) rant or b) discuss hands with. It's very hard to become successful alone. It may seem trivial but when you want to just go nuts and let off some steam, it's better to just rant on AIM to someone who actually knows what they're talking about, rather than taking it out on your mouse or your chair (I've broken both many times)

Also read poker forums, (despite what imaginevc) has to say about them. But don't just read, discuss. Don't be afraid to put yourself out there to be flamed on.

TOTALLY unrelated

If you play on FTP, you probably have seen enough beggars. Usually what my friend does is just have them take pictures with signs saying "I beg on FTP for money", but this time it wasn't really enough. So he had these guys lipsync Michael Jackson.

Results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFzxfEr3RSc

[daydrinker]

Well, when you first play 6 max I suggest like...20/15 to start off. I was always a TAG player for a while, and then I got a couple coaches who told me to open up my game and I pretty much became where I am now, at around 28/22.

I was always a 6 max player though, I only play FR when I play live. I couldn't really give you a good comparison. Although I believe 22/16 is pretty aggro in FR, but I dunno, I probably only have like 10k hands at NLFR, so I wouldn't be able to give you anything.

I would definitely suggest game selecting and knowing who to watch out for. It's basically what kept me going for that time. Look for the regulars, and avoid them if at all possible (which should be easy if you're playing on stars)

Also one thing (this is just my preference) is that when I'm game selecting, I don't look at avg flop or avg pot. I look for even stacks. What I mean is say you want to play 100 max. I look at the stacks, and if I see a buncha 20-60 BB stacks, I don't sit because even if they're bad, it's really hard to play against those kinda stacks. Yet, I also don't want to play against 3+ buyin stacks, because even if they're bad and they could give it away, they can put you in some really gross spots, and most of those stacks didnt get their money by being morons.

So I look for stacks around the 100-120 bb range. And if they aren't regulars, then its a very good game to sit in.

Another thing I'd suggest is to find friends that you can either a) rant or b) discuss hands with. It's very hard to become successful alone. It may seem trivial but when you want to just go nuts and let off some steam, it's better to just rant on AIM to someone who actually knows what they're talking about, rather than taking it out on your mouse or your chair (I've broken both many times)

Also read poker forums, (despite what imaginevc) has to say about them. But don't just read, discuss. Don't be afraid to put yourself out there to be flamed on.

TOTALLY unrelated

If you play on FTP, you probably have seen enough beggars. Usually what my friend does is just have them take pictures with signs saying "I beg on FTP for money", but this time it wasn't really enough. So he had these guys lipsync Michael Jackson.

Results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFzxfEr3RSc

Thanks man! Never thought about game selecting like that, lol i usually look for a high avg flop (also consider avg pot a bit) table and try to sit behind the biggest stack and also try to have no lags behind me. Ya 22/16 is a bit aggro for FR i guess, but i try to always be on the more aggro side. But i see myself playing around 22/16 in 6 max too and getting run over, so i think ima have to open up to a more 30/22 style, but its scary lol, as its usually not my style.

I do see myself getting better though, like in the beginning i never thought about table selection, position, stack sizes, image, etc. but after u start learning it, it becomes prolly more important than the cards your holding. But i could just be wrong about that, anyway thx.

Oh and i do read 2p2 a lot, but i never post there cuz they are mostly crazy fucking retards.

[insanelee]

i love nl O8 god bless you.

[MechZZ]

Does the E in HORSE have to be Stud 8 or better? Can it be subsituted for Omaha 8 or better?

[N-Ken]

Does the E in HORSE have to be Stud 8 or better? Can it be subsituted for Omaha 8 or better?

lol what do you think the O is for?

And yes if your playing horse you have to play 7stud8b

[Strider Hiryu]

Nut nut bay-beeeeeh!

[hyt]

Nut nut bay-beeeeeh!

I like Scotty, but that was horrible to watch.

Although I loled when Layne Flack's high five caught air after Lindgren busted out in 3rd.

[daydrinker]

This poker thing is toooo damn stressful lol, break time.

I need to put a lock on my comp so that I don't play when im drunk :((((((

[insanelee]

PokerStars Tournament #103653049, Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
189 players
Total Prize Pool: $2225.00
Tournament started - 2008/08/25 - 01:30:00 (ET)

Dear insanelee,

You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $333.76 award has been credited to your Real Money account.


weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[DaFlipMastaXV]

so nanoboi is playing a FT with my backer at the wcoop1 second chance, good luck to him I guess, even though hes gonna loooooose

[MechZZ]

lol what do you think the O is for?

And yes if your playing horse you have to play 7stud8b

Well, I got my answer

I was hoping u could play regular Omaha, and Omaha Hi/lo


I just hate stud games. Fuck razz, man.

[Sacr3D]

How the hell do people grind. I just lose patience at some point and end up doing stupid things.

I don't know I've been getting pretty discouraged , I go to forums , check videos and even read books and I can never make anything out of this on pokerstars. I just don't know how to proceed anymore.

[N-Ken]

so nanoboi is playing a FT with my backer at the wcoop1 second chance, good luck to him I guess, even though hes gonna loooooose

nanononononononoko!! What did he finish?


Im still in Wcoop #6, 8/72, we start again at 16:30 server time.


1. time. plz.


How the hell do people grind.


play so many tables that you have no time to spew

[DaFlipMastaXV]

nanononononononoko!! What did he finish?


Im still in Wcoop #6, 8/72, we start again at 16:30 server time.


nanonoko finished 4th, my backer deuces85 finished 5th. nano pretty much owned his soul from like 30 down, it sucked.

GLGL today nken

[Jappo]

This hand has been bothering me for days, its only a 1+.20 buyin, but I'm still learning so anyways:

PokerStars Game #20196520068: Tournament #106614105, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/09/06 15:09:46 ET
Table '106614105 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: malako_ricci (1390 in chips)
Seat 2: Asco7 (1550 in chips)
Seat 3: Uli_Munich (1660 in chips)
Seat 4: tjschwab33 (710 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (1710 in chips)
Seat 6: rickson974 (2135 in chips)
Seat 8: VILLIAN (2675 in chips)
Seat 9: Cassandra78 (1670 in chips)
Cassandra78: posts small blind 15
malako_ricci: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [6h 5h]
Asco7: folds
Uli_Munich: folds
tjschwab33: folds
HERO: calls 30
rickson974: folds
VILLIAN: calls 30
Cassandra78: folds
malako_ricci: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h Qs 3h]
malako_ricci: checks
HERO: checks
VILLIAN: bets 60
malako_ricci: folds
HERO: calls 60
*** TURN *** [8h Qs 3h] [2h]
HERO: checks
VILLIAN: checks
*** RIVER *** [8h Qs 3h 2h] [2s]
HERO: bets 210
VILLIAN: calls 210
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [6h 5h] (a flush, Eight high)
VILLIAN: mucks hand
PinkxSpider collected 645 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 645 | Rake 0
Board [8h Qs 3h 2h 2s]
Seat 1: malako_ricci (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Asco7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Uli_Munich folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tjschwab33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: HERO showed [6h 5h] and won (645) with a flush, Eight high
Seat 6: rickson974 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: VILLIAN (button) mucked [Qd 4h]
Seat 9: Cassandra78 (small blind) folded before Flop

Something about this hand I don't like...should I have folded? I really don't like my play.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

maybe pf, other than that it looks fine

[jason3202]

Checking the turn is pretty bad against someone who is clearly going to call all three streets.

[Sacr3D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdurs0C8mTM

Next time the guy will think twice when he sees a flop so dangerous but then again he had to pay him off, no one can fold quad aces lol.

[Sacr3D]

So I did a little sit and go and I won a ticket to the sunday 200 000$ on stars , any advice ? Did anyone ever do that tournament. I would love to atleast win a price lol.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

So I did a little sit and go and I won a ticket to the sunday 200 000$ on stars , any advice ? Did anyone ever do that tournament. I would love to atleast win a price lol.

I'm 0 for 15 in that tourney, dont ask me for advice on that stupid thing

[Sacr3D]

I'm 0 for 15 in that tourney, dont ask me for advice on that stupid thing

Hmm, donkfest I take it then ?

[DaFlipMastaXV]

it's a turbo so like...yea its def a donkfest...but it's just as much a luckfest. I've busted out on coolers, bad beats, donkey plays, juts about everything.

[Sacr3D]

So I've been putting 10$ everytime I wanted to play poker and well I end up losing it, because I lose patience doing NL2 NL4. I really can't stand getting money so slow. And sometimes I don't know you have people who play crazy and still win no matter what. So would it be better to put 50 bucks and I don't know do NL10 ? What would be the best way to get your money going from grinding or maybe doing sng over and over. I need to improve my poker too, I read a couple of books , Doyle Brunson's Super system was really helpful but I guess it wasn't enough.

[Sacr3D]

it's a turbo so like...yea its def a donkfest...but it's just as much a luckfest. I've busted out on coolers, bad beats, donkey plays, juts about everything.

So did you ever coach people ?

[Missing Person]

So I've been putting 10$ everytime I wanted to play poker and well I end up losing it, because I lose patience doing NL2 NL4. I really can't stand getting money so slow. And sometimes I don't know you have people who play crazy and still win no matter what. So would it be better to put 50 bucks and I don't know do NL10 ? What would be the best way to get your money going from grinding or maybe doing sng over and over. I need to improve my poker too, I read a couple of books , Doyle Brunson's Super system was really helpful but I guess it wasn't enough.

Read Harrington on Hold'em.

Also read his cash game book.

Put what you can safely afford online. Play within proper bankroll management.

If it were me, and I could afford it, I would put $150 on there, and start at .25/.50 limit or 10NL. Both these levels are decent starting points, as you have enough people who are starting to take the game more seriously, and enough people who are still completely ignorant as to how to play.

Yes, I know taking $150 and playing 10NL isn't exact bankroll management, but it's senseless to start any lower.

If you can afford only $50, pour over HOH and then play SNG's to build up.

[Sacr3D]

Read Harrington on Hold'em.

Also read his cash game book.

Put what you can safely afford online. Play within proper bankroll management.

If it were me, and I could afford it, I would put $150 on there, and start at .25/.50 limit or 10NL. Both these levels are decent starting points, as you have enough people who are starting to take the game more seriously, and enough people who are still completely ignorant as to how to play.

Yes, I know taking $150 and playing 10NL isn't exact bankroll management, but it's senseless to start any lower.

If you can afford only $50, pour over HOH and then play SNG's to build up.

I put 50$ this week but went busto being stupid and playing limits I shouldn't and losing patience and well... tilting. I'm currently reading The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky. I guess I'm going to take a BIG fucking break and finish that book and read HOH. Now I'm at -200$ (sigh) so I'm pretty damn discouraged.

[Missing Person]

A lot of the shit in TOP you will not get starting off. If you're starting off in NLHE, HOH is the perfect jumping ground. You can branch off from there.

[Sacr3D]

A lot of the shit in TOP you will not get starting off. If you're starting off in NLHE, HOH is the perfect jumping ground. You can branch off from there.

Well then I'll read the 3 vol of HOH this week then. I wanna get good asap damnit!

What do you think about coaches, do they help alot or is it just a ripoff. I mean I've seen coaches charge 100-200$ /h. Sounds crazy as fuck.

[Missing Person]

Well then I'll read the 3 vol of HOH this week then. I wanna get good asap damnit!

Won't happen overnight. Always expect adjustment phases when you incorporate new plays, and switch to other playing styles. A lot of people have stated they start off losing after reading a book, just because they're trying to incorporate concepts they're still trying to understand. Some just give up on what would be a winning concept/style because of short term losses, believing that it's indicative that x concept sucks.

It's not that, they're just expecting to read something, take it to the table immediately following reading it, and apply it perfectly. Just not possible.

once you grasp the concepts lined out in the book, you should do alright. Especially in SNGs.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, if that's a path you're looking to venture down, it's not outlined in HOH that I recall, but the goal of SNGs are not to win. It's just to cash. You're looking for a positive ROI, not the most amount of 1st place finishes possible. Once you get in the money, your goal becomes making the right play to ensure an increase in profit.

The only time you ever need to think win in a SNG is heads-up.

[Sacr3D]

Well I do like SNGs way better than cash games. So that does sound like a good plan.

[Deus]

Also, if I'm not mistaken, if that's a path you're looking to venture down, it's not outlined in HOH that I recall, but the goal of SNGs are not to win. It's just to cash. You're looking for a positive ROI, not the most amount of 1st place finishes possible. Once you get in the money, your goal becomes making the right play to ensure an increase in profit.

The only time you ever need to think win in a SNG is heads-up.

i'm not so sure this is correct

if you're just trying to cash, you are thinking in terms of survival rather than taking advantage of +ev situations

if you're trying to learn SNGs, go read up on ICM (independent chip model)

steal blinds, abuse position and look for every opportunity to accumulate chips

Collin Moshman has an SNG book that 2+2 published, would prob be beneficial to read that as well or consider getting an account at www.pokerxfactor.com

[Missing Person]

Every noted poker author, and every noted SNG pro I've talked to has stated the same thing I did. Trust me, it's correct.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

i'm not so sure this is correct

if you're just trying to cash, you are thinking in terms of survival rather than taking advantage of +ev situations

if you're trying to learn SNGs, go read up on ICM (independent chip model)

steal blinds, abuse position and look for every opportunity to accumulate chips

Collin Moshman has an SNG book that 2+2 published, would prob be beneficial to read that as well or consider getting an account at www.pokerxfactor.com

He's right...you're thinking of MTTs. Your primary goal in a SNG is to make the money. That's what ICM calculations are all about.

SNGs are simple. Play super tight till 5 handed and blinds get retarded and then go shove happy.

[Deus]

He's right...you're thinking of MTTs. Your primary goal in a SNG is to make the money. That's what ICM calculations are all about.

SNGs are simple. Play super tight till 5 handed and blinds get retarded and then go shove happy.

yeah, i was thinking of mtts

whoops

[Sacr3D]

He's right...you're thinking of MTTs. Your primary goal in a SNG is to make the money. That's what ICM calculations are all about.

SNGs are simple. Play super tight till 5 handed and blinds get retarded and then go shove happy.

lol you make it sound so easy.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Thats because SNGs are the one thing in poker that is figured out.

[blindspot]

Got a quick question guys; how the hell do you get money into Pokerstars now?

The instant e-check seems like a quick method but I hate giving out SS#s without knowing what they'll do to it. Is Western Union reliable as a deposit option for poker?

Thanks to whoever answers

[Captain Ryu]

Anyone play on bodog at all? I was never into online poker that much but the shit you see on there is sick. Hands don't tell story's on there. It's full of degenerate gamblers so you can probably do well if you just play the solid approach.

[Missing Person]

Anyone play on bodog at all? I was never into online poker that much but the shit you see on there is sick. Hands don't tell story's on there. It's full of degenerate gamblers so you can probably do well if you just play the solid approach.

Yeah, I have never once deposited on Bodog, but everyone I know says it is THE PLACE for soft, donkfilled NLHE cash because of all the sportsbettors.

I never played much NLHE cash, so that's why I never found use for it.

[Missing Person]

Got a quick question guys; how the hell do you get money into Pokerstars now?

The instant e-check seems like a quick method but I hate giving out SS#s without knowing what they'll do to it. Is Western Union reliable as a deposit option for poker?

Thanks to whoever answers

From what I saw on their site,Western Union is not a deposit option. If you don't want to give out your SS#, Money orders are a way to go.

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/real-money/

[blindspot]

Thanks MP :bgrin:

Is the instant e-check the method you guys use or am I being too cautious?

Sucks to be an American player :rolleyes:

[Missing Person]

Thanks MP :bgrin:

Is the instant e-check the method you guys use or am I being too cautious?

Sucks to be an American player :rolleyes:

After all the Neteller hacks in '06 before they shut down, I'd be vary wary who gets what personal info now. Even if they do look to be legit.

Granted, Stars has an extraordinary record of top-notch customer service & care, but all it takes is one prick with the wrong information in his hands...

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Yea the games are really drying up

PokerStars Game #22334524772: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/11/24 18:25:45 ET
Table 'Bruchsalia II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tombo_pl ($106.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Oord ($240.90 in chips)
Seat 4: tb17 ($124 in chips)
Seat 5: beta77 ($173.50 in chips)
Seat 6: gaggina ($46.50 in chips)
beta77: posts small blind $0.50
gaggina: posts big blind $1
GamblerNCH: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [8c 6c]
tombo_pl: folds
Oord: folds
tb17: raises $2 to $3
beta77: folds
gaggina: raises $3 to $6
tb17: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [5s 4d 7c]
gaggina: bets $3
tb17: raises $5 to $8
gaggina: raises $5 to $13
tb17: raises $5 to $18
gaggina: raises $5 to $23
tb17: raises $5 to $28
gaggina: raises $5 to $33
tb17: raises $5 to $38
gaggina: raises $2.50 to $40.50 and is all-in
tb17: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [5s 4d 7c] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [5s 4d 7c 3s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gaggina: shows [Th As] (high card Ace)
tb17: shows [8c 6c] (a straight, Four to Eight)
tb17 collected $91.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $93.50 | Rake $2
Board [5s 4d 7c 3s Ks]
Seat 1: tombo_pl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Oord folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: tb17 (button) showed [8c 6c] and won ($91.50) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 5: beta77 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: gaggina (big blind) showed [Th As] and lost with high card Ace

PokerStars Game #22332901466: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/11/24 17:29:39 ET
Table 'T #245126203' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: inductive ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: Timmit Ohnst ($29.15 in chips)
Seat 3: spliffe400 ($46 in chips)
Seat 5: tb17 ($206.40 in chips)
Seat 6: beta77 ($119.75 in chips)
beta77: posts small blind $0.50
inductive: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [2s 2c]
Timmit Ohnst: folds
spliffe400: calls $1
tb17: raises $4 to $5
beta77: folds
flojo766 said, "idiot"
inductive: folds
flojo766 leaves the table
spliffe400: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [3d 2h Kd]
spliffe400: checks
tb17: checks
*** TURN *** [3d 2h Kd] [6c]
spliffe400: bets $4
tb17: raises $7 to $11
spliffe400: calls $7
*** RIVER *** [3d 2h Kd 6c] [9s]
spliffe400: checks
tb17: bets $30
spliffe400: calls $30 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tb17: shows [2s 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)
spliffe400: mucks hand
tb17 collected $91.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $93.50 | Rake $2
Board [3d 2h Kd 6c 9s]
Seat 1: inductive (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Timmit Ohnst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: spliffe400 mucked [6h Ah]
Seat 5: tb17 (button) showed [2s 2c] and won ($91.50) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 6: beta77 (small blind) folded before Flop