Why does everyone say DOA4 is trash?

[Radiantsilvergun3]

I don't get how it is trash it is very balanced the counter system is very solid but adds a bit of randomness to the game but if you know what you are doing then it doesn't become random it is skill. You have your fair set of characters ranging from Ninjas to Wrestlers to Martial Artists i think it is a very good fighter so please do enlighten me on the "trashyness" of it

-VENOM

[Pablo_the_Mex]

Shut yo bitch ass up.

[kmasera]

doa4 is balanced






























like 3rd strike

[AkumaTX]

Fuck you bitch.

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

its really simple... because it is trash

[cain[e]]

Why does everyone say the new mortal kombat games are trash?

I don't get how it ithey are trash it ithey are very balanced the martial arts switching is very solid but adds a bit of randomness to the game but if you know what you are doing then it doesn't become random it is skill. You have your fair set of characters ranging from Ninjas to ninjas to ninjas i think it is a very good fighter so please do enlighten me on the "trashyness" of it

[Pablo_the_Mex]

There is a post Perfectus Legend made that describes why the game is so shitty. I am too lazy to search for it.

[Middle East Guy]

too much of a button smasher for my taste. that and everyone online only play the ninjas for their cheapness.

[bloodabeast]

only thing i see dead or alive being good for anything is having an anime spinoff

[Hatred Edge]

I'm more interested in how some of the females can stand at all.

[*Onslaught*]

doa4 is balanced




like 3rd strike

DOA4 is balanced like ST. Most characters competitive, a handful not as much.

Most people here haven't played it and won't because that's the cool thing to do, then again they don't even play VF5, probably a 3D thing. If they have they got smashed in it because it didn't follow the same exact logic they've been accustomed to.

DOA4 has a lot of depth to it and a balanced cast. The collective mind just won't accept it. No real point in beating a dead horse, because somethings never change.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

DOA4 has a lot of depth to it and a balanced cast. The collective mind just won't accept it. No real point in beating a dead horse, because somethings never change.

Exactly, DOA4 will forever be a shitty game.

[AlphaDragoon02]

DOA4 actually isn't that bad. All the previous ones were unbalanced trash though.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

DOA4 is balanced like ST. Most characters competitive, a handful not as much.

Most people here haven't played it and won't because that's the cool thing to do, then again they don't even play VF5, probably a 3D thing. If they have they got smashed in it because it didn't follow the same exact logic they've been accustomed to.

DOA4 has a lot of depth to it and a balanced cast. The collective mind just won't accept it. No real point in beating a dead horse, because somethings never change.

I think that you don't know what you are talking about. A few of the top DoA4 players have come out and said that they think the game is trash, but they play it because they win. If the top players think that the game is trash, then it probably is trash.

Here is an excerpt from Perfect Legend's post (The EVO DoA4 champ):

6. Being able to totally escape an attack when it hits you and recover before the person who hit you with that attack recovers and you are now at a frame advantage even though you got hit with an attack.

7. Getting knocked down then TECH ROLLING BEFORE THE PERSON WHO KNOCKED YOU DOWN RECOVERS AND BEING ABLE TO BEAT OUT THEIR NEXT ATTACK.

8. Everything leaves you at a disadvantage on guard and a good amount of moves leave you at a disadvantage on hit.

[altergenesis]

Ninjas rape for free. I don't need to get into to detail about how broken DOA4 is.

[*Onslaught*]

Exactly, DOA4 will forever be a shitty game.

Nah its shitty mind sets like yours that are the REAL problem. :wgrin:

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Nah its shitty mind sets like yours that are the REAL problem. :wgrin:

You skipped my post...didn't you?

[Tat guy]

Even if though it isn't that shitty.. or broke game. . community sucks so it doesn't really matter. .

[Pablo_the_Mex]

Nah its shitty mind sets like yours that are the REAL problem. :wgrin:

The DOA4 Champ is the one telling you this game is shit. If anything, I want to prevent people from playing shitty games. I care for you you, I really do.

[*Onslaught*]

I think that you don't know what you are talking about. A few of the top DoA4 players have come out and said that they think the game is trash, but they play it because they win. If the top players think that the game is trash, then it probably is trash.

Here is an excerpt from Perfect Legend's post (The EVO DoA4 champ):

6. Being able to totally escape an attack when it hits you and recover before the person who hit you with that attack recovers and you are now at a frame advantage even though you got hit with an attack.

7. Getting knocked down then TECH ROLLING BEFORE THE PERSON WHO KNOCKED YOU DOWN RECOVERS AND BEING ABLE TO BEAT OUT THEIR NEXT ATTACK.

8. Everything leaves you at a disadvantage on guard and a good amount of moves leave you at a disadvantage on hit.

Nah I know what I'm talking about. There are plenty of top players that say the game is just fine, it's not perfect and it has problems, but what fighter doesn't have its problems?

6. Is situational, you can low counter and whiff a slow high attack.

7. Is this really a problem? In ST you can get knocked down and come up with a shoryuken. It follows the same logic.

8. While true, the disadvantage needs to be more than 5 frames for someone to do anything. And at best all they can do is a weak throw punisher.

*sigh*

[Saotome Kaneda]

7. Is this really a problem? In ST you can get knocked down and come up with a shoryuken. It follows the same logic.

7. Its obvious that you don't play 2D fighters, or the other 3D fighters for that matter. In most games if you hit a move that knocks down your opp you are at advantage/are neutral by the time you recover from your move. THERE IS NO MOVE IN ANY SF GAME(other than SFA1 with certain supers in certain situations, and SFA2 IIRC with the jab recovery roll) THAT KNOCKS DOWN AND STILL LEAVES THE PERSON THAT ATTACKED AT DISADVANTAGE. If you get knocked down unless you purposely did another attack meaty there should be no reason for you to get hit on your opp's wakeup.


*sigh*

[roninwarrior24]

What exactly makes people think that the Ninjas are some kind of demigod characters that dominate the game? They have weaknesses just like everyone else, and there are non-ninja characters that can compete against them and even win.

I'm not trying to defend the game (in fact, I think it's subpar as a competitive fighter), I just want to know what makes people think that Ninjas>>>the game.

[ShinGouki00]

thread summed up

it sucks because it's not vf5

big tits don't drive a game to be good, just anime

[*Onslaught*]

If you get knocked down unless you purposely did another attack meaty there should be no reason for you to get hit on your opp's wakeup.

I was assuming that this is what PL was referring to.

Because in DOA4 being able to tech roll and manage to beat out your opponents attack means you've knocked them down to far away to gain any sort of advantage or are doing something really slow.

[Kusanagi02]

Speaking of DOA4, I doubt alot of people here watch the Championship Gaming series but anyways i was watching the semi-final DOA4 mens match between Carolina and Birmingham. Birmingham only needed to win one match in DOA to take it while Caroline needed 6 in a row to take it.

Long story short, Carolina won 5 in a row and lost the match that count.

I don't know seeing a fighting game like DOA in a televised setting does make me hope that SFIV gets the same treatment. But it probably won't.

[Vegit814]

Well there could be hope for a decent sequel if they put a new lead to the franchise since Itagaki lef. . .er got fired.I actually think it could compete if it got a complete overhaul.

[Vegit814]

Long story short, Carolina won 5 in a row and lost the match that count.

I don't know seeing a fighting game like DOA in a televised setting does make me hope that SFIV gets the same treatment. But it probably won't.


Stuff like that is mostly controlled by the Xbox Live generation of players.They are the ones who think DoA is one of the best fighters and Halo is the greatest FPS franchise on gods green earth.So don't expect SF4 until Evo finally gets the real coverage that it deserves.

[altergenesis]

I'm not trying to defend the game (in fact, I think it's subpar as a competitive fighter), I just want to know what makes people think that Ninjas>>>the game.

Because they do. Hayate, Ayane, Hayabusa and Kasumi = Top-Tier. Any scrub could pick them can start mashing buttons and bad things could possibly start happening.

[Duckdee]

mens match
Wait, so men and women don't compete against each other?

[Kusanagi02]

Wait, so men and women don't compete against each other?

nope they split it up. The whole competition is based on a point system which was why that DOA matchup was so important. Honestly out of all the games thats in the tourney i really hate the Forza matchups because it always ends up coming down to who rams who into the wall first.

[Defective]

Here's some reasons why I think the game is retarded:

Stun System-It's WAY too hard get out of being stunned without reversing out. You could damn near be stunned forever if you don't attempt to reverse. And to top it off, stuns happen WAY too often.

Reversals-They stop almost every pratical move in the game. They instantly cut off almost any type of hitstun except floats. They recover too fast. The timing window is active too long. Some do retarded things like Hyabusa's piledriver, juggle, or wallslam which do too much damage for a reversal. Low Reversal missed animation ducks high hits and throws so when stunned Low Reversal beats 2 attack options.

Stages-Obstacles like bridge level make the gameplay really dumb. It's hardly fair because on a lot of the stages the traps are really easy to hit. I take one hit at the beginning of the match and now I have to lose an extra 1/3 life for falling? Dumb. Wait, did I just get run over by a velociraptor? So dumb my head hurts.

Hi-Counter Damage Whatever-Why should I get raped harder because I got stunned, tried to reverse, and got thrown? Is there a more pratical way to get out of stun?

Basically DOA4 is trash and it's proof that we've died and gone to Hell because they're playing this shit on TV for money.

"We're probably in Hell already, our dumbasses not knowing. Everybody kissing ass to go to Heaven ain't going."-Tupac Shakur

DOA4 is proof I tell you!

[BrentoBox]

Speaking of DOA4, I doubt alot of people here watch the Championship Gaming series but anyways i was watching the semi-final DOA4 mens match between Carolina and Birmingham. Birmingham only needed to win one match in DOA to take it while Caroline needed 6 in a row to take it.

Long story short, Carolina won 5 in a row and lost the match that count.

I don't know seeing a fighting game like DOA in a televised setting does make me hope that SFIV gets the same treatment. But it probably won't.

The way the DOA matches are televised on the CG series is fucking ridiuclous. I hope SF4 gets big and is taken seriously, but never gets the "same" treatment as DOA4. If you playing a game, you don't need a manager in a highpowered busniess suit with a bluetooth in their ear telling you how "You da best. This other guy got nothing. Own her!":lame:

It's looks so corny, I think it gives serious gaming a bad image. Like they are trying to look like superstars or something.

Here's and example.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fkaJc6-I0qs

[final_cut]

Why does everyone say the new Mugen games are trash?

I don't get how they are trash they are very balanced the martial arts switching is very solid but adds a bit of randomness to the games but if you know what you are doing then it doesn't become random it is skill. You have your fair set of characters ranging from Homer Simpson to Luigi to Sungatsu Orokusagoki Brolakuma. i think it is a very good fighter so please do enlighten me on the "trashyness" of it

[Ryu1999]

If you playing a game, you don't need a manager in a highpowered busniess suit with a bluetooth in their ear telling you how "You da best. This other guy got nothing. Own her!":lame:

It's looks so corny, I think it gives serious gaming a bad image. Like they are trying to look like superstars or something.

Here's and example.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fkaJc6-I0qs

SWEEP DA LEG!!!!!11 :mad:

[ninchin]

Basically its eltist opinions in srk that say this game is shit. But fact shows that it is a good game and a good fighter, just because it may not be as deep as vf or tekken doesn't make it weak. :wink:

[Kisame]

Man wtf? doa4 is a buttonmashers heaven. People are actually defending this?

[Shade]

It entertains me. That's all that should matter, in the end.

[ninchin]

yes !

and I dont even touch it.

[Kusanagi02]

Basically its eltist opinions in srk that say this game is shit. But fact shows that it is a good game and a good fighter, just because it may not be as deep as vf or tekken doesn't make it weak. :wink:

I wouldn't go so far as to say its an elitist opinion BUT i think its more towards being bitter. It sucks to see game like DOA4 eclipse games like Tekken and VF. Its not to say DOA4 is shit but i just feel they should switch it up and do another fighting game.

[Radiantsilvergun3]

ok then if this game is a button masher then vs me first to win 10 matches of 5 round per match then i will say the game is a button masher

(Hey this is my little bro borrowing my account to make these posts. I personly don't know jack shit about any DOA to add to the convo. Just wanted to get that across.)

[The Chopper]

Basically its eltist opinions in srk that say this game is shit. But fact shows that it is a good game and a good fighter, just because it may not be as deep as vf or tekken doesn't make it weak.

So basically people who say it's bad give reasons why, and the people who say it's good ignore those posts and just all the haters "elitists" and other condescending insults, yet never go beyond vague reasoning on why the game is good.

Classic internet


It entertains me. That's all that should matter, in the end.

Why can't more people be like that?

[metalmike31216]

Its basically "rock,paper, scissors: The Fighting Game"

[altergenesis]

I play the game. It's fun. But, it doesn't change the fact that:

A) No one plays it...
B) ...because the mechanics of the game are messed.

[queen of combat]

Personaly after going to CGS for DOA4,I don't bother to play the game anymore.
1. I have seen so many people mash buttons and win on that game.
2. most of the best DOA4 players use one of the ninja's either as a main character or on the side.
3. When I can counter people and win just off of that....ehhhh lol

I did good at CGS and I am a SF player,I am not sure what that says about that game :confused: I quit playing it months ago.

[ninchin]

The chopper :

Do you mean bad as in competative bad or just as a fighter cus I can garuntee that the average joe who buys doa4 ain't guna be thinking of frames or izuna drop setups ?

Altergenesis: my point exactly its fun thats all that matters the reason why fighter are bottom of developers mind (not this year lol) is because we are to busy fighting within are own ranks to help the genre as a whole fps is selling cus poeple say this is fun rather then " uhhhh you started plying unrea when 2005 came outyour a fake" gtfo with that shit play games for pleasure not for mechanics.

Queen of combat: I agree having watched the mathes and player like swoozie who I see use the same drad wong shit each round you do realise that as far as options and paths for the players to take doa is rather limted.

[Kusanagi02]

Personaly after going to CGS for DOA4,I don't bother to play the game anymore.
1. I have seen so many people mash buttons and win on that game.
2. most of the best DOA4 players use one of the ninja's either as a main character or on the side.
3. When I can counter people and win just off of that....ehhhh lol

I did good at CGS and I am a SF player,I am not sure what that says about that game :confused: I quit playing it months ago.

Out of curosity like how was the CGS experience?

You know i would love to see someone just beat the shit out of everyone with Zack.

[Ghostal]

The chopper :

Do you mean bad as in competative bad or just as a fighter cus I can garuntee that the average joe who buys doa4 ain't guna be thinking of frames or izuna drop setups ?
It's a little entertaining as a video game, but shitty as a fighting game.
99% of fighting games WILL form a competitive scene where pretty much every player of the game will play and practice to compete at the constantly increasing levels of play, and then you have the minority, the creepy ass Halo kids that'll pop in Street Fighter 2 just to 'lol' at their drunk buddy going "SHORYOUKEN AHAHALOL!" every 10 seconds and who always pick REEYOO because he's dah shitz.

I don't get how anyone playing a game designed to be competitive can try to loophole around shitty gameplay by saying "it's good for casual, 'fun' play".

CONUNDRUMZ

[altergenesis]

DOA is "trash" (just to use OPs words) on competitive fighting game level. When the OP says everyone, it's basically this. DOA4 is not the greatest competitive fighting game despite whatever CGS or MLG do. Yes, DOA4 is all good casual, button mashing fun. It can be enjoyed. It has great graphics, a superb online lobby system, tons of modes and costumes to unlock. The stuff the makes a great "video game" not necessarily a great "fighter".

From the SRK's standpoint, DOA4, it's nothing more than a broken fighter.

[TheSix]

Counter + blocking system - zzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!

[n8archer_XI]

DOA4 is sexy 3D and has online play. It's certainly not trash to a non-competing noob like myself...

[ReCharredSigh]

no doa / itagaki bashing thread on srk is complete w/o this obligatory pic:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/Gunzah/Itagaki.jpg

[ninchin]

no doa / itagaki bashing thread on srk is complete w/o this obligatory pic:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/gunzah/itagaki.jpg

this thread is now complete

[danomighty]

no doa / itagaki bashing thread on srk is complete w/o this obligatory pic:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/Gunzah/Itagaki.jpg

He was fired,so maybe DOA5 might have a new engine?:confused:



BTW-any1 have pics of the DOA female players?

:hitit:

[Gutter Trash]

I don`t like the rules for throws in DOA.

[DevilJin 01]

Here's some reasons why I think the game is retarded:

Stun System-It's WAY too hard get out of being stunned without reversing out. You could damn near be stunned forever if you don't attempt to reverse. And to top it off, stuns happen WAY too often.

Reversals-They stop almost every pratical move in the game. They instantly cut off almost any type of hitstun except floats. They recover too fast. The timing window is active too long. Some do retarded things like Hyabusa's piledriver, juggle, or wallslam which do too much damage for a reversal. Low Reversal missed animation ducks high hits and throws so when stunned Low Reversal beats 2 attack options.

Stages-Obstacles like bridge level make the gameplay really dumb. It's hardly fair because on a lot of the stages the traps are really easy to hit. I take one hit at the beginning of the match and now I have to lose an extra 1/3 life for falling? Dumb. Wait, did I just get run over by a velociraptor? So dumb my head hurts.

Hi-Counter Damage Whatever-Why should I get raped harder because I got stunned, tried to reverse, and got thrown? Is there a more pratical way to get out of stun?

Basically DOA4 is trash and it's proof that we've died and gone to Hell because they're playing this shit on TV for money.

"We're probably in Hell already, our dumbasses not knowing. Everybody kissing ass to go to Heaven ain't going."-Tupac Shakur

DOA4 is proof I tell you!

DOA4 has issues...but I think there's certain things worth discussing.

About the stun thing...personally I think problem with stuns is that it's TOO EASY to get out of stun. Anyone who seriously plays DOA knows that you don't even need to reverse to get out of stuns. This was one of the things I believe Perfect Legend brought up in his issues with the game.

The problem is that everytime you get stunned...it's like getting a dizzy in SF2 and you're playing as Dhalsim. Mashing on the stick and buttons allows you to reduce the stun or basically slip out of any stun and go back into a blocking position and makes stunning games really random. This really becomes an issue with crumple stuns where the opponent can literally mash themselves back onto their feet before the opponent can do anything.

The hi counter throw damage thing...I mean it's basically in there to make the game more high damage and offensive. Which is what Itagaki was looking for in the game. High damage everything and the counter system allowing for sudden shifts in momentum. Probably one of the reasons why everyone throws so much in the first is because of how easy it is to mash out of a stun that someone isn't instantly following up on. Especially during CGS matches you'll see people either launching or setting up for a throw usually right after a stun because otherwise the opponent will mash escape or low counter option select out.

As far as the CGS girls...I personally had the hots for Phoenix. LOL. She was always mad at something whenever she fought and I was hoping Dallas would make it to the world championships so that I could see her get mad at Mexicans and Chinese. :lol: The girl (I think her name's Belle) that plays on LA Complexity is cute. She gets destroyed everytime but...she looks like the nicest fighting game girl ever. She takes her losses very well.

It's hard to watch Vanessa fight. She like nearly breaks down and cries everytime she loses a round.

The girl on the Chinese team had a big forehead.

The girl on the Berlin team is cute too.

[Aion]

It's trash, and it's been explained many times so I don't think we'll bother with that one again.

Oh, and the only reason DOA4 is 'balanced', is because it's so damn bare bones basic that tiers hardly matter.

It's like you buy a chicken wing, but somebody done gone and ate all the chicken leaving you with nothing but the bone...yeah that's right, DOA4 is the fighting game equivalent of left over chicken bone.

[Hecatom]

not only that, the game lacks of a true system, everyone can play the game, let your little brother play it like an hour and he will be a master by then, the game is fun, like DBZ BT 3 is fun, but its not a good fighter

[ShinGouki00]

just because it may not be as deep as vf or tekken doesn't make it weak. :wink:

that's like saying spam and a fat prime ribeye steak are both good because they're both meat. Why would you ever consider spam over a beautiful steak? why would you ever choose one over the other?

ps: If you're from Hawaii, yes I know spam is big there.

[G.O.T]

Fuck DOA4, now how do you like that? Supreme Garbage to the sideways 8 degree.

It's a mutton basher no johns.

[Saotome Kaneda]

and since this is obviously gonna go nowhere