Can SFII and SFIV co-exist?

[Branh0913]

Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I haven't seen it come up. But with the release of SFIV now in Japan arcades, does this mean that Third Strike will be retired? We all know that typically when a new game of the series hits the scene, then the previous game quickly dies out. We've seen it with Tekken, VF, Soul Calibur, and Guilty Gear.



However, despite the fact that 3s has enjoyed nearly 10 years success, this has not stopped ST appearances at tourneys. Do you think that 3s will co-exist with SFIV, or will the game be retired? 3s is still a massively popular tourney game, but I wonder if SFIV will steal some of it's momentum. While it's very early to determine SFIV viability as a competitive tournament game, it is likely that the game will definitely be played competitively. It is hard to imagine any major tournament without SFIII on the roster, but I guess this is possible. Let's hope this game doesn't die.

[Zandwich]

no they cant and they are fighting on the playground after school to see who has to fuck off FOREVER

[deadfrog]

Only if they.... don't reach... critical mass!!!

[Lazy Foo']

Yes, and anybody who thinks otherwise is a douchebag.

[Ghostal]

The difference between Street Fighter and Guilty Gear/Soul Calibur/Tekken/Virtua Fighter and the reason SF games can coexist where the other franchise installments cannot is simply this:

Street Fighter games inherit the basic play concept of the previous games, but they are never expansions on each other, which is why there are so many rehashed versions of each installment. ST is not remotely the same game as 3s, same with SFIV. They can easily coexist because it's impossible to outshine one or the other since they're so different. The rehashes/revisions of GG/SC/Tekken are just their sequels (and Dark Resurrection teeheee), hence why the new installments end up killing off the previous game's competitive scene.

[nGuman]

They can only co-exist if we let it co-exist.

[Crisium]

Third Strike has 16 characters that are not in SFIV. If anything SFIV would kill what's left of the ST players, since it has 12 of the 16 characters (and the home version will have at least 14/16).

And obviously 3S has a vastly different gameplay system as well, with the parrying and multiple Super Arts.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

Never seeing 3S in a tournament setting would be sweet, but not going to happen. Surprisingly, a lot of people enjoy it.

IMO, it seems that SFIV is trying to fix what 3S fucked up. I just think that 3S will never attain "classic" status like ST has done over the years.

[*Onslaught*]

They can and will. If anything they'll compliment each other.

[DS]

Waiting on "Baaaawwwwwww!" thread regarding EVO snuffing out 3S for SFIV.

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

Yes they will co-exist.

Especially with 3S, it's such a different game. The one that might die down a bit could be ST. But not dying down as in actually dying, but just being not played as much as before due to the attention for SF4, I actually don't think ST will ever die in our life-time in Japan. Once SF4 is out for a good while, ST will start popping back up again.

And comparing it to updates of other games like Tekken/GG whatsoever, you can't compare those to SF2/3/4. If you were to compare that, it would make more sense to compare them to SF2T, SSF2, SF3.1. SF3.2, etc. Since those are the actual "updates".

I want to see an SBO with ST, 3S & SF4. But they might have a rule of having an amount of games from the same company? Not too sure on that but it'd be cool.

[Rhio2k]

Well...considering a lot of Capcom players usually have the "latest is greatest" mentality, and for others, the "If it ain't in tourneys, I don't wanna play it" mentality applies...some sf game (not sure which) is about to be left by the wayside, if it's also bumped from the likes of Evo.

[rukawa_kaede]

3s is already dying and not beause of SFIV

[altergenesis]

SFII has been existing all the way up until this point. I don't see why it would cease exist.

[DietSoap]

no they cant and they are fighting on the playground after school to see who has to fuck off FOREVER :rofl: God dude, I dunno why your shit is always so funny to me, I'd rep you if I could.

[rukawa_kaede]

polarity is funnier

where is he by the way, he haven't posted in a while

[Saotome Kaneda]

polarity is funnier

where is he by the way, he haven't posted in a while
polarity still exits

look around for his last AV and you'll find him

[fallot]

where is he by the way, he haven't posted in a while

There's always one dude huh.

[goodm0urning]

Don't cross the streams.

It would be bad.

[Dandy J]

polarity is funnier

where is he by the way, he haven't posted in a while
hes at bod for the weekend, youll get to read all his sf4 impressions when he gets back!!!!!

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Waiting on "Baaaawwwwwww!" thread regarding EVO snuffing out 3S for SFIV.

Here's hoping...

I think some people only play 3s because it's the last SF game and because it looks pretty anyway. SF4 may fix all that.

[rukawa_kaede]

hes at bod for the weekend, youll get to read all his sf4 impressions when he gets back!!!!!

that's gotta be something to not to be missed,:rofl:

[The Chopper]

Here's hoping...

I think some people only play 3s because it's the last SF game and because it looks pretty anyway. SF4 may fix all that.

I personally think the cast of 3s is better than SF2's

but then again I don't really play either one.

plan on playing 4 though

[NotGood]

I just don't like the complete rushdown aspect of Third Strike.

[rukawa_kaede]

3s rushdown!?:confused:

[Crisium]

Isn't 3S just Yun actually staying away and building meter?

[UltraDavid]

Never seeing 3S in a tournament setting would be sweet, but not going to happen. Surprisingly, a lot of people enjoy it.

IMO, it seems that SFIV is trying to fix what 3S fucked up. I just think that 3S will never attain "classic" status like ST has done over the years.Eh, I think 3S will get drained out. Most of the reason it's popular now is that it's been the popular game for a while; that is, almost everyone who's come to the 2D fighting game scene in the past half decade has come in playing either GG or 3S and mostly 3S, whether because that's the game everyone was playing at the time, they saw someone do something cool-looking in it, or it was available for online play. Well, that won't be the case now, people will come into the scene playing SF4 and also any of HDR, TvC, Blazblue, or whatever, very rarely will someone entering the community next year come in because of 3S. Very rarely will they see something cool enough to bring them into 3S because there just won't be as much 3S action going, they'll see something cool in one of those other games instead, and people without big scenes in their area will pick up one of the newer games online. Basically, Third Strike's momentum will die pretty soon, and that's the main thing that keeps most fighting games going.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of people who will still prefer 3S, just as there are people who still prefer ST or Marvel2 or A3. But I don't expect most 3S players to have the same kind of crazy affinity for the game that ST or Marvel players have, I think a lot of them will realize that they've been playing a weaker game, but they just haven't had any reason to pick up anything else to find that out until now. It's also the case that very few of the movers and shakers in the scene are super enamored with 3S like they are with ST and MvC2, which will mean fewer scheduled tournaments now that the public demand for them will be less. ST and Marvel always have tournaments going even if they don't get big numbers because, well, the people running the tournaments like ST and Marvel; that won't be the case for 3S.

I don't think 3S will die, but I do think it'll become the new Alpha 3.

As for whether ST will die, maybe, but only if HDR kills it. One SF2 game or another will always be played.

[VEGA_OMEGA]

It's weird, now that Thrid Strike isn't the newest street fighter... I think I like it now.

[The Chopper]

I don't get why people hate 3rd strike so much.

It's just another game that people play.

I mean really there are alot worse games that are still played in tournaments

[Ghostal]

I don't get why people hate 3rd strike so much.

It's just another game that people play.

I mean really there are alot worse games that are still played in tournaments

It's because it's so hype but it's such a poorly made game.
Aesthetically it's gorgeous but the gameplay is horridly unbalanced, moreso than most popular games in the scene.

And yes, we know MvC2 is still played in tournaments.

[metalmike31216]

Well, I'm not gonna stop playing 3s just because there is a new game. I'll pick up SFIV of course, but I'm not gonna drop 3s just because its "old" now. I still have a bunch of fun every time I play it

[DevilJin 01]

I have...and none of them are as fun or interesting to me as 3S. 3S just clicks with me. The only other 2d fighting game that I come close to having as much fun playing is Guilty Gear and pretty much everyone else that I regularly play games with either just doesn't play it or can't stand it.

I really like playing ST bu there's no way that I have as much fun playing it as I do 3S. It's too structured of a game for me. I like the free feeling I get when I play a good game of 3S. Even if it is "being the better guesser" you just get that feeling when you really get into it that you can do whatever the fuck you want and there's always a way out of something. Yet...you get people that consistantly win in it too so it's not completely out of line either.

From there...I also really like VF but again...it's just not as interesting to me as 3S. I haven't played Tekken in years and don't have a PS3 and I've kinda lost interest in Tekken after Tekken 5. VF seems fresher to me but I just haven't really found anyone to seriously play it with other than my bro. Even if I seriously got into the game...I know I still would never like it as much as I do 3S. I probably won't ever find a fighting game that I like as much as 3S. The main issue being that I like EVERYTHING about 3S. The music, the graphics the way it plays...the game literally clicked with me 8 years ago and still has today.

I only recently started driving so I'll start getting out more to play different games to see what I can learn from them. At heart I think we all just like SF in some form and SFIV will hopefully get us playing something else more often. A couple of my friends are big SNK fans and I like KOF and all that shit too. Just...definitely not as much as 3S either.

It's good to find a game that everyone can just agree to wanna play and 3S has always been that game for my crew. Even if they were to stop playing it all together...I know we'd still be playing the shit out of IV and I would still find ways to meet to find people to play 3S. Just like the Marvel and CVS2 players do.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Funny how SFIII isn't in the title yet, 3s has become the center of attention in the thread :lol: good to see some classic passionate fiery hate

[DevilJin 01]

3S isn't in the title but it's all over the original poster's post. I think he was smart not to put 3S in the title cuz any topic with 3S in the title usually goes to shit real quick. Always turns into some war of the SF's where the ST heads can't wait to bash and the 3S people are ready to fight back. Plus who cares bout those other games.

[pherai]

3s brings the controversy.

[Ultima]

That's because it's a discussion about Street Fighter games, and people have to keep making excuses for playing a non-SF like 3S. :p

I agree with Ultra David. Assuming that SFIV doesn't end up sucking, I can see SFIV replacing 3S and 3S becoming the new SFA3 (i.e. 3S will be returned to the status it was before we played out everything else and we went through a Capcom fighting drought). I think it's very unlikely that SFIV will replace SF2, mainly because the major tournament organizers are OG and they refuse to let ST die.

[DevilJin 01]

K...another long ass post from me.

Yeah there's no way ST will die. It's like telling everyone not to play the old Nintendo Mario games anymore. It's not gonna happen. It's the reason SF is where it is today and it's not going anywhere. HD Remix will obviously get new people into the older series even if the game so far isn't a whole lot like the original game other than the fundamentals. Which in effect will help to attract newer players since it doesn't look quite as much like a 15 year old game.

I'm on a wait and see approach with 3S. It depends on the way the scene is. If you think about Marvel for a sec...there's so many things going against Marvel. There's no real solid way to play it on your computer yet (especially not online), Dreamcasts are very unstable, the game has such a steep learning curve at this point that there's no way a newer fighting gamer will think twice about getting into it...it's got a lot of things going against it as far as getting newer people into the game or even keep the people who play it still playing it.

As far as 3S goes...3S has a very solid PS2 port. That plus the new slim PS2 makes it real easy to virtually carry around the game and create 3S tourneys or gatherings. Well, it's either that or 3S players simply aren't as picky as ST players yet. On top of that you can play it basically on any media now. You can get an arcade perfect version of the game on your computer for free. So now anyone has access to the game. Plus there's a lot of people that still play it and overall the game is not as intimidating to learn to play as some other fighting games.

If 3S is going to be A3 status...it won't be for a while and there's many factors that'll keep it from being the game that not too many people wanna play anymore. It's by far the easiest game to create tourneys for minus not being able to use HD setups for the game. Long as people still are interested in the game and newer interest in the game arises from other players...it'll be around. Maybe it'll just be around like Marvel is around...but it'll be around. It definitely will be at Evo for the next 3 years at least. Especially if Marvel has been at Evo that long.

SBO kinda likes to pick up the newest games and is pretty random about what games it includes but I can definitely see 3S there for a few more years at least as well. The players that are in the 3S scene are very well known and are among some of the most popular fighting game players in the world. Like you can't think of a 3S character without thinking of some of the Japanese players that make them who they are. If there's anywhere where the game has hit a "prestigious" status...it's Japan. With or without SBO the game will still be kickin over there.

Overall...3S is just too unique of a game and has had too much of a history to go down the drain anytime soon. I mean what other SF game or fighting game in general is anything like it? The main reason other fighting game heads bash it in the first place is because it isn't enough like SF. Well...in effect that's the same reason it'll be around. It's different and there's people that like the difference. It's still a SF game at heart though and people will always like SF.

[Overworld]

Really if 3S was going to run out of steam, you'd think it would have done so by now. That if it was so lacking substance, it would have gotten really popular, and then when people realized it was so lacking, it would have died just as quickly.

It all comes down to preference, balance, as much as people appreciate it when it's there, does not trump gameplay and never has. Marvel vs Capcom 2, being the major offender, is a game where the gameplay drew people in, not the balance.

I mean there are still a ton of people who play ST, but they are dwarfed by the number of people playing 3S. How many years until what is considered a fad, is no longer considered one?

I think new people will find 3S not because it's the greatest game ever, but it's probably the most accessible fighter to newcomers. You play people who have been playing for ten years in ST and you get destroyed while not even knowing what your doing, the moves are hard to input, etc. It's not very friendly to new people. Guilty Gear has a billion subsystems, and the only other games that tend to appeal are the flashier 3D fighters.

I think 3S has struck a chord with gamers, as much as people seem to hate that.

I think you'd have to look at the weaker games getting knocked off. This may mean bad things for Capcom Vs SNK 2.

[DevilJin 01]

Yeah...CVS2 is definitely one of those games that is just dying. You know a Capcom game is dying when more people on a forum talk about ST more than they do about the other Capcom game. It's another Capcom fighting game with a really steep learning curve and sprites from like a bajillion years ago. There's nothing about it these days that really makes it seem to stand out over the other fighting games other than it being known for being a technical fighting game. Which it is...but that isn't always enough to keep many people seriously playing a game. It's gotta have more to it than just being a smart game.

I mean...most of the CVS2 heads don't even get into the arguments on the forums. They just play CVS2 and talk amongst themselves it seems more of the time. It's the battered ST players and the passionate 3S players that are always looking to duke it out and in effect that shows a big role in which games people are still looking to play seriously. ST players talkin bout how the new kids don't know what a SF game really is and the 3S people are trying to convice the ST heads that smokin weed should be legal. Since that is in effect a big part in becoming better at 3S.

There's no way CVS2 will ever see another year at Evo as an official game unless Evo decides to up the amount of tourney games. If they are sticking to this 6 game schedule thing...CVS2 is so off the list. It's just not the game that everyone's playing anymore and there's nothing about it that really seems to click with people other than the most hardcore fighting gamers or people who just like to smash buttons with a bunch of Capcom's and SNK's greats. The fact that it hasn't seen the light of day at SBO in the past 5 years doesn't help. A fighting game can live without SBO but it definitely helps.

[UltraDavid]

Long as people still are interested in the game and newer interest in the game arises from other players...it'll be around.
Here's the problem, though: starting next year, no one who's new to the SF scene will start up by playing 3S. And Overworld, like I said in my last post, in my opinion this is the biggest reason 3S is so popular now: it's going on momentum. It started to become the most popular fighter 5-6 years ago, and since then no new SF game has come along as a reasonable replacement for it (AE and CFJ definitely weren't up to the challenge). For the last many years, the only SF game with a good, easily accessible port that was available for online play was 3S, so virtually everyone coming into the SF scene had to come through it. In my opinion 3S isn't so much a fad as it is the product of an extremely favorable situation.

Well, all that's gonna change now. SF4 will be even more easily accessible than 3S, have better netplay, and bring in more people because of its name and media coverage. HDR will be a very cheap new game available as a download on PS3/360 with excellent netcode with a built-in fanbase of people who played on the SNES a million years ago and want to revisit that (and it'll have easier and more consistent inputs than ST, by the way). TvC, if it makes a US release, will certainly also be online and will bring in a lot of people with its interesting graphics and Marvel-like play. And I'm sure Blazblue will pick up some of the new gamers too, like GG before it. Basically, people who are new to the scene will come in completely bypassing 3S; very few people will have cause to know about a game that's not for sale for any of the current-generation systems, let alone pick it up so strongly that they'll decide to come into the competitive scene. In my opinion, the current generation of 3S players will be its last.

But yeah, I don't think that generation will totally leave. I think a lot of them will, I think they'll find better gameplay in one of the new games or just leave the scene altogether as people sometimes do, but of course there will be those people who remain. Like you say, DJ, it has a very unique system that you can't find anywhere else, and for that reason some people will stick with it. But A3 had a very unique system as well, there's no other game quite like it, and yet look where it is today.

By the way, I don't think CvS2 will fare too well, either.

[DevilJin 01]

Yeah I see ur points David and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if things added up that way. I'm just saying that you just don't know until things go down and I just don't see the mometum for 3S dying as quickly as you think it might even with all the new games coming. We could definitely argue about it for the next year but like I said from the first post...I'm going to take a wait and see approach despite my personal opinions just because that's the only way to truly tell. I think 3S still has a lot going for it even today.

I'm not sure about comparing it so much to A3. I mean...A3 is different when you think about it. I mean there isn't much any other SF game where you can do what you can do in that game. 3S just has a thing about it where people understand you can do anything in it and there's a way to make it work. You can't really go into the same mentality in any other SF game and expect it to work. You always have to have a solid gameplan and only need to switch it when things aren't working for you. It's that theme that 3S has about it that I think will keep people seriously playing it and interested in it for a long time.

I mean if it comes down to thuggery and money matches being the only thing keeping 3S alive than so be it. Each game needs some kind of a central theme to keep it going and I think 3S has that and will continue to have it for a long time. It just depends on which direction the momentum shifts if it does at all when all the new games come out.

[UltraDavid]

I don't think it'll die quickly at all, I think it'll stay in major tournaments for several years. The release of all these games is the beginning of its downhill trek, but it's pretty much at the top of things right now, so it'll have to fall a long way before it dies. Just know that without new blood, it's very difficult to keep a game going after a few years of being dominated by other games. It's possible, obviously, you can see that ST is still popular enough 15 years later to be in all the major tournaments and even get a remake coming.

But I think ST is unique for a couple reasons. For one, the pool of players who started out playing was gigantic, much bigger than any game today and probably bigger than the entire modern fighting game scene by a multiple of some whole number. Only a small percentage of the players stayed with it, but because the original number of players was so huge, that small percentage turns out to actually be quite a few people. 3S has the biggest player base right now, but that base pales in comparison to ST's base and probably even to Marvel's base, so if anything like the same percentage of people stay with it, the final number of people playing the game will be relatively small, not enough to sustain it at a high tournament level.

And because ST is the game of the OGs, it's the game of the people who have the most power in the community. Like, the reason it's stayed in Evo in years past isn't so much because of huge popular demand, other games like DoA and GG probably have bigger scenes and would give Evo more money; it's stayed because it's one of the games that the people who run Evo like and play themselves. And don't expect 3S players or players of any other game to take their positions, because there's no reason to expect the OGs who run Evo etc to ever step aside. So while ST and Marvel players can be pretty sure that their games will always at least be at the major tournaments because the people running those tournaments play those games, that's not the case for 3S.

This last point is obviously subjective, but I also think ST's gameplay just stands the test of time better than 3S's does. I played ST for a couple years way back in like '01-'03 but was never very good at it, and then obviously I was a big 3S-head for a long time, for 5 years, and I got pretty good at it and felt like I'd always come back to it. But then ST started to get more popular again and I got back into it, and I realized, oh crap, all this time I've been playing 3S, thinking it was awesome, when in fact there was this much better game out there the whole time! So I decided to quit 3S and concentrate on ST (and start wishing I'd spent all those years playing Marvel or CvS2). And once everyone who's grown up in the scene with 3S spends time with SF4, HDR, TvC, and whatever else, I think many of them will feel the same way. Maybe not most and certainly not all, but I think a pretty good chunk of that scene will end up like me. Reasonable people can disagree about whether 3S is better than ST or vice versa, but I don't think anyone can disagree that at least some percentage of the 3S scene will find something they like much more in one of the new games.

[clue2025]

Well see, how often do people who are playing 2d fighters or fighters in general only play 1 game? Then, when you have new people coming in, what about their curiosity to see what came before, after, or during and what makes these games different from eachother? I have a friend who's an example of this. He's a COD head, least likely candidate to pick up a fighter. He started playin 3s. Then he started playin MvC2. Then CvS. Now he plays every fighter from ST to the entire vs series to 3s and GG. Now he's waiting on SF4, KOFXII, and Blaz Blue.

I guess what I'm tryin to ask is new people to the fighting game scene will come in for SF4 or Blaz Blue or whatever game they pick up first, but don't you think they'll want to see what influenced, what is like, or what these games evolved from?

I think that 3s will have its fanbase still and even grow a little bit from SF4's hype because of the curiosity factor. That and you can play it for free. Online. I also think however that SF4, ST, and 3s can all coexist together. They seem like staples moreso than Alpha ever did. Despite the arguments between ST and 3S heads, there will be fans coming up from both. You can't honestly say that someone that is getting HD Remix that never played 3s before, wouldn't want to know what happened or what SF became between SF2 and SF4.

[UltraDavid]

Sure some people will branch out, I know plenty of 3S guys who've branched out to at least some extent with games like CvS2 and ST and GG and stuff. But that usually comes pretty long after the guy's already gotten into the scene, and it's rare that he picks up those other games strongly enough to become a regular participant in big tourneys in them. I'm sure some people who come into the scene through SF4/HDR/etc will check out 3S and probably a small number of them will like it enough to pick it up as a tournament game, but that'll probably be a very very small percentage.

[pherai]

As much as I yearn for clue2025's post to be true, 3s players have not gone back to try Alpha or SF2, and I doubt 4 players will go back to 3s :sad:

[DevilJin 01]

I do like me some Alpha 2...I will say that. More people should play it.

I mean I really hope a lot of people find something new to like with all the new games. As awesome as it would be to see 3S be seriously played by many for a long time...if people don't find something better or find something equally as interesting than the fighting game scene is pretty much doomed to being not much more than it has been for the past 5 to 10 years.

If anything the "dying" of 3S and other older fighting games for newer fighting games will ensure that fighting games will continue to succeed in the future. Hoping that 3S will simply stand the test of time does nothing more good than Marvel or ST does. Simply being a game that stands its time. A game that I don't think I'll find anything that I like more than for a long time.

[WasFemto]

Alpha 3 should replace turdstrike if people are hard up for Street Fighter that isn't ST or 4.

[DevilJin 01]

:lol:

Here we go.

Alpha 2.

[clue2025]

Alpha 3 should replace turdstrike if people are hard up for Street Fighter that isn't ST or 4.

I don't think thats the issue. Go on 2DF right now where theres ST, 3S, and A2/A3. Whats the biggest room? 3S.

Ok, I think I should be a little more specific. When these new guys get into the game and start meeting other people playing the game or games, other people can introduce the older games to the new players. Thats what happened to the person I used as an example. They don't necessarily have to be in the scene, just have to play with someone who plays other games. That won't be everyone, but I think there's enough people to make it happen so ST, 3S, and SF4 will all coexist. Despite the retarded rift between ST and 3S players. Thats like Smash players saying Brawl isnt a real smash game.

[DevilJin 01]

Responding to his shit is only gonna derail the thread any ways. You really didn't need to respond to that at all. LOL. People who use fecal matter or sexual innuendos to describe games usually are just looking for a troll session. He's just wishing A3 was back and that game died a long time ago.

See my thing is that I'm not going to be one of these butthurt guys that go "man what happened to 3rd Strike?!" if and when it does go under. I've had my fun with the game and would love to explore it for many years to come. If it hapens that it doesn't go that way then that's fine. What got me into SF in the first place was SF2 and there are and will be in the future many different ways to play SF and other fghting games. Wholly...I just like fighting games in general. I just have a specific liking for 3S but like and play quite a few other games.

[The Chopper]

Alpha 3 should replace turdstrike if people are hard up for Street Fighter that isn't ST or 4.

Alpha 3 is a terrible terrible game.

I don't see how one can hate 3rd strike and then think Alpha 3 is perfectly ok.

[DevilJin 01]

I'll be the first to say that once I understood what A3 was about at higher levels of play...it completely turned me off. There's no way I could find much anything that game has to offer at a high level any fun. Alpha 2 has its dumb stuff but it's not quite as crazy as A3. A3 is literally a hop, skip and jump away from Marvel. Way too much crazy shit in that game for my tastes.

[UltraDavid]

I don't hate 3S or anything. That is, I don't like it myself, I don't really enjoy playing it all that much, but I'm totally fine with other people liking it and with it being in the Evo lineup if there's demand for it. It's just, I think that somewhere down the line there won't be enough demand for it anymore.

[DevilJin 01]

The same can be said for like half the games at Evo right now. Which in effect overall is better for the fighting game community than simply forcing ourselves to play 3S, Marvel or ST for the next 10 years.

U definitely going to Evo?

I slept way too much today...I'm not tired at all.

[UltraDavid]

Nah, I can't go. Ethics test is that Friday and then my brother comes home to visit Saturday. Next year!

[Branh0913]

I don't like Alpha 3 because X-ism seems rather useless. I also hate the grapple system. If anything Alpha 3 doesn't feel like a true SF game. All of those weird cancels, and VCs, just way too much for me to digest. It can be fun in small spurts, but I can never see myself wanting to improve in this game. The same goes for Chaos. I can play it here and there, but I just see no need to pick up the advace stuff in the game like exploiting GCFS.



3s does it for me. Yeah ST is cool and all, but 3s has a more modern feel to it. Every character is so unique, and you really feel that with enough work you can make them quite competitive. Look at my sig, I can beat any random Ken, Chun, or Yun with any of my character choices. Yeah I probably couldn't beat the Justin Wongs, Pyrolees, and KOs of the world, but I can beat most people I play against. SF3 is a thinking game, and that is what comes to the forefront. Sure you can know some nice juggles with Dudely, but 3s just emphasize that "you better think about it" before you do it. Not to say ST isn't a thinking game, because it is. But for some reason it feels like I have better control of what is going on in 3s. I can take control of the match if I think and play hard enough. ST always feel like an uphill battle.


SFIV looks to be a happy medium between the two games. It has the fast, offensive gameplay which emphasize spacing and zoning like ST. But there also appears to be a huge Yomi game at work too. At least what I can see in the videos. The game is looking good, despite only being a few weeks old. I can still see some 3s like gameplay elements there, but also some ST stuff.


However there will be people who prefer 3s style over ST style and vice versa. Hopefully all three games can find a happy co-existence.

[Gaijinblaze]

if japan and toronto keeps playing it then that's all the support i need. doesn't really matter to me at all if evo gives it the boot. if i say anything more, it'll just be random offensive shit that detracts from the main opinion i just posted.

[Branh0913]

Sorry to double post, but something came to me when I was reading these responses. Especially the point of generations.


I am 28 and willl be 29 in September, which isn't far away. I was around when SFII first hit the scene. I've been an arcade lover pretty much my entire life, and if arcades were still booming, I'd still be going there besides playing at home. I loved final fight, and I definitely started to love SFII because a lot of the elements it borrowed from Final Fight. Hell, I can say that I am apart of the Final Fight generation which converted to the Street Fighter II generation. Sure I played SFI, but it wasn't as fun as Final Fight.

Hell, back when I was in school, I even told a friend of mines back in SFII infancy that SF II was like a cross between Final Fight and SFI. Why am I making this point, because just as many people who loved Final Fight became the original SFII generation, the same applies to SFIII. The original SFIII players were all once SFII players at one time. I mean, I wasn't a high level tourney player to even understand the differences between SFII and SFIII. I just knew it felt like SF to me. And many of the new generation don't really play SFIII and think "this is not like SFII", they think it's just SFII. And that alone gets them into the game.


SF is the baseball of competitive gaming. No matter how much more exciting basketball and baseball are to look at, baseball will always remain the American pasttime. SFII will always be at tourneys, no matter what. It is like a game of baseball. Sorry if that sounds nonsensical.


It occured to me that VF, Tekken, and GG have not really had "generations" of players. VF, Tekken, and GG are only incremental steps with each and every game. I've followed all of the games since the beginning, and they are all just minor improvements over the same engine. People didn't have 10 years to enjoy VF1 before VF2 came out, and then VF3 (which was a big jump in the series mind you). Tekken is much the same way. TTT enjoyed YEARS of competitive play despite the pressence of Tekken 4. And while Tekken 4 wasn't that great of a game, it had enough changes to Tekken system for people to enjoy the old Tekken style in TTT. Only in Tekken 5 where they combined TTT and T4 style did we see both games eleminated. VF was the same way, as VF3 was just too different, and VF4 was the balance of power, VF5 even more so. GG has just beeen evolving, but if no GG game ever surfaces, you better believe the AC will become the ST of the GG scene.



My point is that SF is different in the fact that each iteration introduce something totally new and different from the previous game. SFII was WAY different from SFI. The revisions and upgrades are the "minor" upgrades we see in these games. It's like each SF number is it's own self-contained series of games. No one plays CE, SSF2, or SFT, but they play Turbo. Just as no one plays 2I or NG, but they play 3s. It seems like SF games simply become a legacy of it's times. I kind of believe that SFIII will have a SFIII scene no matter how popular SFIV becomes. At least let's hope my theory is correct

[Master Chibi]

No.

:)

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Alpha 2 has its dumb stuff but it's not quite as crazy as A3. A3 is literally a hop, skip and jump away from Marvel.

It is, but not for reasons you are insinuating/suggesting


Alpha 3 is a terrible terrible game.

I don't see how one can hate 3rd strike and then think Alpha 3 is perfectly ok.


Pretty easy actually. :rofl:

No I don't think anyone will tell you A3 is perfectly ok.

[MAGUS1234]

I like all SF games and play them all if people are willing to play them. I go with the big crowds primarily cause it gives me the most challenges, otherwise I'll play it.

[Dandy J]

It occured to me that VF, Tekken, and GG have not really had "generations" of players.
Dunno about those other games but VF has had generations. There's a lot of known old-school VF1/2 players like BunBun Maru, Kyasao, Shinjuku Jacky, Ikebukuro Sarah, etc. Then during the VF3 era you had people come up like Akira Kid/Shinz, Chibita, Mask, Ohsu, and Yanaga. VF4 brought in Ohnuki, Senningiri, Anaguma, Minami Akira, 8, Koedo, Fudo, etc. I dunno about VF4-VF5 but VF2/3/4 definitely had big differences in players in the scene.

[Radiantsilvergun3]

I just like that my Fireballs can Zone again heh but i never wanna see a games Scene die. That stuff sucks. I don't like 3S much. Its fun to play but i just can't take a game seriously where my Ryu is unable to use his good ole Hadouken to Zone properly. My little bro likes 3S a lot though but hes one of them newer generation of gamers, which is why I'm gonna feel really stupid asking this right now. What is Yomi?

[Alibi of Tyrants]

Yomi is mindgames.

I think.

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

Yomi is mindgames.

I think.

This.

[Branh0913]

Yomi is the ability to "read" what your opponent is going to do before they do it. Or give the illusion that is what you are doing. Basically it is knowing what options are available in any given situation, and knowing what you and/or your opponent can do in that situation. Also knowing how to limit your opponents options at any given time. Kuroda who plays Q is the best example of someone who does this. He is able to put his opponent in a situation, and then anticipate what they are going to do. It is like chess, by staying about 2 or 3 steps ahead of your opponent. It takes pretty detailed knowledge of a game to be able to do this. Virtua Fighter is notorious for being a game based on strong Yomi abilities.


Mindgames is apart of Yomi, but I wouldn't say it's all Yomi is. Yomi is more option/select. Mindgames is the actions you take based on the particular situation. However, I'm just a fighting theorist, and have never won any tourneys, but that what I understand it as being.

[DevilJin 01]

It is, but not for reasons you are insinuating/suggesting





True that's just my personal opinion of the game. Too much crazy crap that I don't care to understand or learn to play against. If at least it was a new game I might get into it but yeah...it's old now and not too many people touch it anymore. It just comes down to from what I've seen in videos...it just doesn't look like something I'd wanna spend time learning to play. If I were to play the game I'd probably just pick A Blanka.

Nah, I can't go. Ethics test is that Friday and then my brother comes home to visit Saturday. Next year!

:sad:

[goodm0urning]

Alpha 3 should replace turdstrike if people are hard up for Street Fighter that isn't ST or 4.Bait.

Alpha 3 is a terrible terrible game.

I don't see how one can hate 3rd strike and then think Alpha 3 is perfectly ok.Baited.


All games die off eventually, and that will include 3S, MvC2, and CvS2. It's a part of the circle of life. Except for ST, which has curiously held on for all these years.

[rukawa_kaede]

I also consider stupid the fact that you can parry fireballs in 3s













edit:I also saw this coming somebody repped me for what i said earlier, 3s fanboys,lol

[pootnannies]

i'll always play 3s. fuck all the haters. 3s is fun no matter how stupid parries are. its like poker. there aren't many guarantees but you can still win big.
ST gets boring after awhile. it's a great game and all but it just doesn't constantly pull me in like 3s does. even if i get burnt out or just mad at it, something about it always brings me back in.

[pherai]

I also consider stupid the fact that you can parry fireballs in 3s

Well, its part of the game. Wanting fireballs not to be parried is asking for 3s to be a game it isn't. However, if you said it was stupid that they made Remy (a character built to zone with projectiles) with this in mind, I'd agree with you.

[Saotome Kaneda]

how the fuck did this somehow still turn into a 3S vs A3 thread