Anyone else feel sorry for SF4 scrubs? [Archive]

CFAY

08-03-2008, 10:03 AM

first off, this is not a bragging post.

seriously, i do feel kinda bad when i stop by the arcade during certain hours and its empty so i get on to try some new stuff then innocent button mashers enters the ring for a challenge to try out the new SF4 and i have to destroy their dreams. i just feel bad looking at them checking out the move lists, looking lost with their card and doing everything they can to win even a round. i feel it more when they're just little kids who probably got a couple 100yens from mommy to go have some fun. sometimes i just play around so they could at least enjoy the match before they die. yesterday i wanted to tell one button masher to let me just lose to the computer so i can let him and his friends play in peace but my japanese is no where near that level.

at the same time i put my 100yen into fate unlimited to check it out and had to watch a maybe 14 year old combo me for about 2 minutes with no remorse.

fallot

08-03-2008, 10:10 AM

You're trying to make us feel bad that we won't get to play the game for months aren't you :(

P.o.t.S.

08-03-2008, 10:28 AM

Game needs some kind of handicap settings for such situations, I think Ono even mentioned online play will have it.

altergenesis

08-03-2008, 10:47 AM

When you walk into an arcade in Japan you really know what should be getting into. You know, it's serious business in most of them.

comoesa

08-03-2008, 10:55 AM

when you walk into an arcade in japan you really know what should be getting into. You know, it's serious business in most of them.

qft.

Taito

08-03-2008, 02:13 PM

No, they can always use Trial mode if they wanted to avoid arcade rape.

rushdownace

08-03-2008, 04:11 PM

they dont need your pity. I am also sure their dreams isnt to win one game vs a total stranger. So no I wouldnt feel sorry for them.

J.D

08-03-2008, 05:14 PM

NotGood

08-03-2008, 05:55 PM

Being a casual player, I feel more insulted if I'm going against a better player and he holds back on me.

I don't care if I got my ass kicked, I just want to get better at this game.

*Onslaught*

08-03-2008, 05:57 PM

I do feel sorry for them(in general), I try not to play them and let them find someone closer to their skill level.

arstal

08-03-2008, 06:02 PM

Play around for a bit, then destroy them. What I did in the past with kids. It's too bad you can't give them advice while playing.

CFAY

08-03-2008, 06:21 PM

Dont feel sorry for them
Just kill them

if they are serious players, you actually did some good to them.
If they're not, shame on them for trying

I was once one of those kids on the arcade, 12 years old trying to play SF and getting my ass kicked.

And now I control all the scene in my area, its been 7 years and I thank all the OGs who kicked my ass back then.

lol dude dont you see that mentality is the reason why SF died as a casual just for fun game in the US. im not even talking about the ones who are trying to learn to play. im talking about the ones who just want to play the game and enjoy.

just imagine you're one of those players, just got out of school, bombed the math test, found out your girl been smashing behind your back, youre mad stressed and you got your last 50cent in your pocket so you step in the arcade to play SF3 and you just want to swing a few shoryukens and hopefully mash out a super to relieve some stress so you dont kill your little brother when you get home. you drop in your coin and end up fighting a yun with your mentality....

well i just found that that there has been quite a few complains on several BBS in japan so some arcades with more than one set of cabs dont allow you to play on one based on your battle points. i think its a good deal.

Tigerboi

08-03-2008, 06:34 PM

Sleazoid

08-03-2008, 06:36 PM

just imagine you're one of those players, just got out of school, bombed the math test, found out your girl been smashing behind your back, youre mad stressed and you got your last 50cent in your pocket so you step in the arcade to play SF3 and you just want to swing a few shoryukens and hopefully mash out a super to relieve some stress so you dont kill your little brother when you get home. you drop in your coin and end up fighting a yun with your mentality....

I don't know about you, but I tend to pick activities that I don't suck at when I want to let loose some stress.

Kunai

08-03-2008, 07:08 PM

CFAY

08-03-2008, 07:27 PM

If you're trying to relieve stress, play god of war. It doesn't make any sense to go into a multiplayer game then whine about losing. If you don't like losing, either gtfo or do what it takes to stop losing.

relax, no one said i was whining about losing.

i guess SRK is filled with the heartless then. i just look at it from the scrubs point of view and try to go easy on them at times. couldnt care less if i got perfected in a game i dont know how to play.

for the people who said the scrubs can play on console when it drops, there you go. you just answered the question why at the moment capcom isnt planning a widespread US arcade release.

Tigerboi

08-03-2008, 07:34 PM

i guess SRK is filled with the heartless then. i just look at it from the scrubs point of view and try to go easy on them at times. couldnt care less if i got perfected in a game i dont know how to play.

for the people who said the scrubs can play on console when it drops, there you go. you just answered the question why at the moment capcom isnt planning a widespread US arcade release.

Part of being a better player requires you get your ass handed to you and KNOW what you have to do to get better.

Taking it easy on someone is robbing them of that hands on aid that they need to become a good player.

You're doing someone a great injustice by taking it easy on them.

And excuse me, widespread US arcade release? as if arcades are widespread in the US to begin with?

RushedDown

08-03-2008, 07:36 PM

relax, no one said i was whining about losing.

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i guess SRK is filled with the heartless then. i just look at it from the scrubs point of view and try to go easy on them at times. couldnt care less if i got perfected in a game i dont know how to play.

for the people who said the scrubs can play on console when it drops, there you go. you just answered the question why at the moment capcom isnt planning a widespread US arcade release.

honestly tho
even when i was a scrub back in like 91 i didnt get enjoyment out of mashing shit out
i wanted to learn the game so i could play it and win
i didnt mind losing either
losing is fine as long as im learning something from it

who the fuck wants to mash shit out anyway
this aint no tekken game with little kids mashing out on kicks with eddy gordo
so they can brag to their friends and think they are good cause they can scrub someone out

also the 2 arcades i play at are both getting sf4
if your an arcade and u know sf4 is coming and how big its going to be your gonna try to get the game regardless

or u dont get the game and lose business

go big or go home
thats how i feel

Reno

08-03-2008, 07:38 PM

relax, no one said i was whining about losing.

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relax, he wasn't talking about you. It was a general statement.

CFAY

08-03-2008, 07:46 PM

relax, he wasn't talking about you. It was a general statement.

:rofl: sounded like a personal attack since i never said go easy on the scrubs because they're whining. im not expecting anyone else to so the same and i already said im not talking about people who suck and are trying to get better.

00000000

08-03-2008, 08:26 PM

I don't know about you, but I tend to pick activities that I don't suck at when I want to let loose some stress.

Don't 'ave much to add to all this because, well, everyone starts somewhere, casual and serious players alike. So, s'whatever. I really jus' wanted to give big ups on your Avatar, s'dooooope.

crazydiamond

08-04-2008, 12:59 AM

I used to feel bad about that type of stuff. But I feel the best way to resolve the situation is to end the match as quickly as possible so they know the severity of not assessing what they are entering into before they put their dollar in.

RagingStormX

08-04-2008, 01:07 AM

Nope. I'll see a 10 year old and go play him. Builds character.

GamerTron

08-04-2008, 01:36 AM

if i play a scrub, ill make up rules for myself like footsies only to improve that part of my game, or ill try out new strats that i may be afraid to bust out on a veteran, or ill use a character im not as good with so that i improve that as well. see, even if they suck, ill still find ways to learn and improve at the expense of scrubs. (i still like to beat down 10 yr olds too, though. and no i dont feel bad about it):rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:: rofl:

Bounce

08-04-2008, 02:06 AM

Personally it's like this:

If you go to your local park to jump into a game of basketball, people are not going to take it easy on you just because your new.

If you get in a car and drive, the other drivers are not going to respect your mistakes because your new

This also carries over to arcades if your a scrub and want to be better, take your licks learn, learn the system, and ask questions (especially in Japan where if you ask nice enough they may walk you though the basic concept of the system).

Stop being sorry for people who are just beginning, if want to clear your guilt give them tip on one thing they did really wrong.

RagingStormX

08-04-2008, 05:13 AM

Stop being sorry for people who are just beginning, if want to clear your guilt give them tip on one thing they did really wrong.

I tell them their first mistake was putting in that token in the same town as me :rofl: jk

MrSimpson

08-04-2008, 05:33 AM

who the fuck wants to mash shit out anyway
this aint no tekken game with little kids mashing out on kicks with eddy gordo

This made my day :rofl:

goblin

08-04-2008, 07:17 AM

innocent button mashers enters the ring for a challenge to try out the new SF4 and i have to destroy their dreams.

I'm basically that innocent button masher. Considering the level of play in Japan I don't win very much. Still I've played some worthwhile matches. Often times when an opponent notices a hole in my game they'll exploit it repeatedly until I learn or die. For example if I'm blocking a move high that should be blocked low, they'll just keep doing it on me until I fix my D. I'm not sure if people are trying to teach me, or just trying to play off my weaknesses, but after a match like that I kind of feel like "Thanks bro, I learned a little something today." I think that's the cool way to play against beginners. Not coddling, but still giving em some gems of wisdom.

Sousuke

08-04-2008, 07:45 AM

no mercy. to get pity from someone is more insulting than losing to someone. arcades are a do or die situation and live by the darwin rules. if you are a scrub that get's his head bashed and you feel angry about that the other guy was not going easy on you, you are most likely not suited for beat'em ups.

J.D

08-04-2008, 12:00 PM

lol dude dont you see that mentality is the reason why SF died as a casual just for fun game in the US. im not even talking about the ones who are trying to learn to play. im talking about the ones who just want to play the game and enjoy.

just imagine you're one of those players, just got out of school, bombed the math test, found out your girl been smashing behind your back, youre mad stressed and you got your last 50cent in your pocket so you step in the arcade to play SF3 and you just want to swing a few shoryukens and hopefully mash out a super to relieve some stress so you dont kill your little brother when you get home. you drop in your coin and end up fighting a yun with your mentality....

well i just found that that there has been quite a few complains on several BBS in japan so some arcades with more than one set of cabs dont allow you to play on one based on your battle points. i think its a good deal.

I get that a lot
every single one of my friends say that when new gamers people play me, they don't feel like getting better, they feel like not getting into the game at all.

But I really don't care about that, maybe I'm stressed myself and I want to kick some ass.
SF is like jungle man, kill or be killed.

I constantly have arguements with a friend of mine because he's been playing for 3 years and yet he sucks ass, he never gets into mind games, he's 98% predictable and everytime I try talking with him about it he's like
"Some of us play just to have fun"

No offense, but I consider this statement a total escuse to be mediocre.
You can easily hide behind that and not improve.
And let me tell you, most of these people I know that play to have "fun" are like that in life as well, they would be cool getting 50 grand a year and having a brand new V6 and just get married and be stuck with one woman for the rest of their life, and they would be satisfied with this.
Where's the ambition god damm it???????
I have the most fun of my life when I win, how can you have fun sucking so much?
I have a brand new car, V8, leather seats, nav system etc etc which I didn't get by being a spoiled kid, I actually saved up a lot of money having 2 jobs and going full time to college too to give a down payment of 8k so I could get a nice finance. Im 19 BTW, and it was a challenge for me.
Yet I don't want this car anymore. Its not like Im superficial, its just that you have to always look forward. I also want a better salary, a better job, everything.
I feel its a challenge for me to get something better, as it was for me to defeat the bullys on 3s
Thats a challenge, thats the mentality.
You see my point??

Its not the car, its the challenge.
winning is the most important thing you could ever achieve.

Oh and yeah, I'm hated a lot in my area, people just enjoy watching me loose, they don't get the pleasure too often though.

I don't know about you, but I tend to pick activities that I don't suck at when I want to let loose some stress.

Co-sign

pherai

08-04-2008, 12:14 PM

lol dude dont you see that mentality is the reason why SF died as a casual just for fun game in the US. im not even talking about the ones who are trying to learn to play. im talking about the ones who just want to play the game and enjoy.

If all those people really wanted to play the game, it wouldn't have died. People will find a way to play if they really want to play. Maybe that means finding a cab somewhere else with less comp, or maybe it means learning to play the game. People who spend 50 cents a month on a game that happens to be situated along their route home from school were never, and never will be the people who contribute the most money to SF.

crazydiamond

08-04-2008, 12:36 PM

People who spend 50 cents a month on a game that happens to be situated along their route home from school were never, and never will be the people who contribute the most money to SF.

Damn straight.

I hope when SF4 comes and it brings casuals back they won't realise that there are people who were practicing these characters for 17 years! And they think they can just waltz back in and challenge with the best of em?

Maybe they deserve to get beat.

MidgetT

08-04-2008, 01:21 PM

HAHA wow. After reading this thread - the popularity of fighting games is definitely going NOWHERE. Its not that the community won't let them in, they just dont even WANT them in. Jesus christ.

pherai

08-04-2008, 02:06 PM

HAHA wow. After reading this thread - the popularity of fighting games is definitely going NOWHERE. Its not that the community won't let them in, they just dont even WANT them in. Jesus christ.

Sign on DOTA or any competitive fps and you'll get the same mentality, except with more profanity. Obviously there are a lot more factors determining whether fighting games catch on than whether or not vets sandbag against scrubs.

Pieguy

08-04-2008, 02:13 PM

Sign on DOTA or any competitive fps and you'll get the same mentality, except with more profanity. Obviously there are a lot more factors determining whether fighting games catch on than whether or not vets sandbag against scrubs.

It's not quite the same thing. Dota's learning curve is nothing like SF's. You can pick a fairly simplistic character in Dota and do decently while in SF, if you don't know how to execute decently and understand mechanics, you will get absolutely stomped. A good example of this is cross-ups. It took me so long when I first started playing to understand what was happening. Same thing with high low mix-up and teching throws (I throw blanka scrubs in CvS2 all day because they don't understand).

In terms of FPS, it depends on the game. Some games are fairly easy to get into and aren't too difficult to learn to play proficiently. Counterstrike was one game however where if you didn't understand certain things, you were doomed from the start. Halo is pretty easy to pick up as is DoD and CoD. Source is also easy.

Also, it's much worse to get straight up beat down in person than over a computer which is why arcades lose popularity. The intimidation factor is a big deal and a big reason why some people can't get into it. It took me a good 2-3 months to get familiar with people in my arcade and to be able to hold conversations with them while not feeling intimidated.

pherai

08-04-2008, 02:25 PM

No matter how intuitive a game may be, the feeling of getting your ass stomped by a vet who is unwilling to give you an inch is the same. Maybe SF is less intuitive, but you won't face the childish shit talk present in every online game in an arcade. Even the hardest of hardass's lent me a hand when I was a scrub, but they didn't patronize me by sandbagging.

For the sake of argument, even if it were true that playing anonymously online was an easier way to progress in a game, net play for fighting games is growing and improving daily, with almost every new release supporting it. I think more people play 3s online than in arcades. I've never heard anyone who actually plays competitively say they got their start in SF (or any game) because some top players went easy mode on them, and nothing has ever convinced me doing that increases the playerbase.

MidgetT

08-04-2008, 02:52 PM

What im saying is that the fighting game community only leaves room for the competitive players. One drawback to the scene is its relatively small size compared to something like CS or (god knows why) DotA. I think youre right that online play will help a lot - but everyone is basically saying "if youre not gonna be the best, dont even try." The all or nothing attitude isnt going to help the scene grow, because youre gonna get a few alls, and a whole lot of nothings.

pherai

08-04-2008, 03:13 PM

I don't think the community actively scares away people who play casually or non competitively. If you play CS and you're looking for a casual game, you go to a casual server, not try to join a pug server with Cal I players, and no matter what sever you join, people aren't tailoring their playstyles around the lowest common denominator of players on the server. I play at arcades regularly, but even when I was a scrub, it was easy for me to figure out which cabs had comp at my level. People playing their best regardless of their opponents skill level is common among every game out there. If people quit the game after being beat badly once, you have to ask, "How long would they have played anyway?" If people only enjoy playing SF casually, that's fine, but they can't expect to win, or do well against people who put in more work.

CFAY

08-04-2008, 04:28 PM

HAHA wow. After reading this thread - the popularity of fighting games is definitely going NOWHERE. Its not that the community won't let them in, they just dont even WANT them in. Jesus christ.

after reading all these replies, im thinking the same thing. i went to an arcade in shibuya yesterday and twice i made it to 10 wins only to get a "THANK YOU FOR PLAYING" screen and back to insert coin as if i had beat the game or lost. sorry to burst your bubble people but arcades arent there just to cater to us. in order for arcades to stay alive, believe it or not that need these scrubs to come in and enjoy the game whenever they can. we all love to go go home and brag how we stopped by the arcade, stayed all night and only spent a dollar but dont like to deal with the consequences.

i dont get why people keep comparing this to playing online. for one, playing online is free and it takes nothing to hit start and play again if you lost.

SF4 will not bring any damn casuals back. how many arcades in the states are even talking about getting the game? the few that will get it will more than likely be hogged by the already good SF players and yea keep telling yourself that these players will be enough to bring it back

Maximilian Masters

08-04-2008, 04:39 PM

after reading all these replies, im thinking the same thing. i went to an arcade in shibuya yesterday and twice i made it to 10 wins only to get a "THANK YOU FOR PLAYING" screen and back to insert coin as if i had beat the game or lost. sorry to burst your bubble people but arcades arent there just to cater to us. in order for arcades to stay alive, believe it or not that need these scrubs to come in and enjoy the game whenever they can. we all love to go go home and brag how we stopped by the arcade, stayed all night and only spent a dollar but dont like to deal with the consequences.

i dont get why people keep comparing this to playing online. for one, playing online is free and it takes nothing to hit start and play again if you lost.

SF4 will not bring any damn casuals back. how many arcades in the states are even talking about getting the game? the few that will get it will more than likely be hogged by the already good SF players and yea keep telling yourself that these players will be enough to bring it back

I have to disagree. As much as I love the Street Fighter competitive community that exists heavily in southern california, its the same community that has shunned out casual gamers from enjoying it. 3rd Strike in my opinion is the best fighting game to date, but it favors the more gifted player so heavily that casual players who play really good players feel so out of place. SF4's marketing campaign obviously is NOT aimed at the hardcore street fighters, its geared towards "Its like old SF, the focus attack is simple, its also easy to jump in and play!" Witnessing this especially from the recent SF4 events I've attended (Fight Club, SDCC, Sneaker Pimps), the majority of these guys are casual, there to have fun, and love street fighter overall.

pherai

08-04-2008, 04:45 PM

after reading all these replies, im thinking the same thing. i went to an arcade in shibuya yesterday and twice i made it to 10 wins only to get a "THANK YOU FOR PLAYING" screen and back to insert coin as if i had beat the game or lost. sorry to burst your bubble people but arcades arent there just to cater to us.

Then they can figure out a way to make it more profitable. It's not our responsibility to make their business a success, and last I checked, arcades are doing well in Japan.

in order for arcades to stay alive, believe it or not that need these scrubs to come in and enjoy the game whenever they can. we all love to go go home and brag how we stopped by the arcade, stayed all night and only spent a dollar but dont like to deal with the consequences.

So how does letting them win and cruise on and on with 1 quarter make things better?

i dont get why people keep comparing this to playing online. for one, playing online is free and it takes nothing to hit start and play again if you lost.

Because you're just skimming through the responses. People can play SF online now anyway.

SF4 will not bring any damn casuals back. how many arcades in the states are even talking about getting the game? the few that will get it will more than likely be hogged by the already good SF players and yea keep telling yourself that these players will be enough to bring it back

How do you you know all these fickle gamers who will drop a game after losing 1 time will ever amount of anything substantial in the grand scheme of things? How long would have they played the game anyway even if they were tricked into thinking they were good by people who knew how to play? Do you know anyone who got into SF because some vet decided to sandbag against him? I know people do that to scrubs, but I've never heard of someone who kept playing SF because of that happening to them.

player2

08-04-2008, 04:47 PM

I feel sorry for the scrubs too.

The problem is that we SRKers and other FG community members forgot the beatdowns we took, and are somehow taking our frustrations out on newcomers.

Granted, some of us recieved beatdowns, but they came with explanations. Nowadays, it's all about the beatdown.

At best, the average casual gamer will know how to execute special moves. It's the intricate system properties that may escape their notice. To this day, some players are:

attempting to block overhead attacks by crouching
trying to block grabs
spamming fireballs
throwing out moves in hopes that people will run into them

No one has taken the time to explain the 'whys' or the 'hows.' They only know the 'whats.'

Roll-cancelling, kattobi cancelling, kara-throws and kara-cancelling, meaty attacks, links, hit-confirms, frame advantage... all foreign phrases to the casual gamer. Am I against any of these things? NO! Eventually, they'll have to learn. The problem comes when they're introduced to all these things at once, typically by falling victim to said tactics.

The main reason a lot of us came back to fighting games is because we knew why we lost; someone explained it to us. New players aren't learning that.

Sure enough, SF4 may be targeted for those who left the scene a long time ago, but eventually, "we" will make it a game strictly for the hardcore in no time flat, and, once again, their beatdowns will be unexplained.

Reno

08-04-2008, 05:16 PM

I have to disagree. As much as I love the Street Fighter competitive community that exists heavily in southern california, its the same community that has shunned out casual gamers from enjoying it. 3rd Strike in my opinion is the best fighting game to date, but it favors the more gifted player so heavily that casual players who play really good players feel so out of place. SF4's marketing campaign obviously is NOT aimed at the hardcore street fighters, its geared towards "Its like old SF, the focus attack is simple, its also easy to jump in and play!" Witnessing this especially from the recent SF4 events I've attended (Fight Club, SDCC, Sneaker Pimps), the majority of these guys are casual, there to have fun, and love street fighter overall.

The problem with your argument is that you're comparing 3s, a game that has been out for 10 years, and has a high barrier to entry (if you were to start playing now) to SF4, a game that's been out for two weeks, where everyone is starting over again. Think back to SF3 NG or even the start of Double Impact, and I think you'll agree that what you say about SF4 now could be said about SF3 when it was first released.

pherai: it may seem like arcades are doing well in Japan but they are also on the decline because of home consoles and the fact that, well, there hasn't been a lot of focus on the arcade market for years. Really, the Gundam VS. games are keeping a lot of arcades afloat because they're so popular.

pherai

08-04-2008, 05:34 PM

I agree that it's important for arcade players to take time to teach newer players, and that console gaming may have an affect on the decline of arcades, but those are 2 entirely different issues than what we are talking about.

This thread is suggesting that beating down scrubs discourages them from making a long term commitment to SF in a casual sense, and I don't think it does. At any arcade with more than 1 machine (which is the situation in most arcades) there are cabs for different quality of players, and low points in competition throughout the week. These casual players have machines to play on, and different times to play. It's not hard to find your level of comp if you want it.

Fooling scrubs into thinking they are better than they are only delays the inevitable. Someday, someone will play these casual players, and beat them into an early retirement from SF. People that quit a game after losing once or twice won't stick to a game in the long run anyway.

Ex0dUs27

08-04-2008, 05:50 PM

FuguTabetai

08-04-2008, 05:50 PM

after reading all these replies, im thinking the same thing. i went to an arcade in shibuya yesterday and twice i made it to 10 wins only to get a "THANK YOU FOR PLAYING" screen and back to insert coin as if i had beat the game or lost. sorry to burst your bubble people but arcades arent there just to cater to us. in order for arcades to stay alive, believe it or not that need these scrubs to come in and enjoy the game whenever they can. we all love to go go home and brag how we stopped by the arcade, stayed all night and only spent a dollar but dont like to deal with the consequences.

i dont get why people keep comparing this to playing online. for one, playing online is free and it takes nothing to hit start and play again if you lost.

SF4 will not bring any damn casuals back. how many arcades in the states are even talking about getting the game? the few that will get it will more than likely be hogged by the already good SF players and yea keep telling yourself that these players will be enough to bring it back

Hey, that was you yesterday? The guy with the good Ryu at Adores? I was the guy playing an average Gief and a poor Balrog. That is a nice Ryu you've got there. It's too bad that the top comp wasn't around last night (at least not when I was there) because I would have liked to see a few matches against the better Vega (Dictators) that are always giving me trouble. Man, I was going to ask if you were on SRK.

I guess the reason you brought up this post was the really scrubby Ken who was mashing on the buttons and basically just did Fierce DPs all day long. I felt bad for him too, and would usually give him a round. But I quit that after he beat me off when I ate one too many DPs.

I was pretty surprised because you don't usually see that level of scrub around here: Street Fighter has been around for so long, I've just almost never seen it here. I'm glad that SF4 has brought back more interest though - I think lots of people are getting into it and that's only a good thing.

I'll probably keep going easy on people in the middle round, but I have to admit that I'm not good enough that I don't end up losing sometimes. Well, I've got a job so the 100 yen isn't going to kill me.

Master Chibi

08-04-2008, 06:05 PM

Everyone was a scrub at one point, and some of us still are scrubs.

If you want to help people you're playing against then you should do that. Tell them how to block your stuff correctly, or about a hole in their defense. Lend a hand.

But if you're just there to suck the life out of the damn guy, then fuck you. I was one of those people, and it sucks ass. I was the guy that tried playing CvS2 amongst some people at a local arcade and got my ass kicked but kept playing, and eventually I got the hang of it. Now I'm that guy noone wants to play against, leaving me to play the damn cpu. I know they're right there, standing behind me, watching me play, waiting for me get off the damn cabinet so they can go bonkers. I hate that. That's a good thing and a bad thing mind you, but at that moment in time, it totally sucks.

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08-04-2008, 06:39 PM

Helping others learn how to play, and teaching them, isn't a sign of weakness.

Dingo

08-04-2008, 06:47 PM

I've read most of the posts in this thread and just feel like I should throw in my two cents.

Anyway, I'm far from a great SF player. I've only played in a couple of tournaments and still have a lot to learn, but the learning process involved in the games and being able to learn from a defeat to better myself is what keeps me in (and the feeling that comes when you earn a win on your own). Out of all the new players who approach SF you're bound to have some players who are scrubby but want to stay in it for the long run. Those are the players who will know how to take a loss; so I don't think beating scrubs in the game is a bad thing. Those who want to learn, will learn.

However, you will have those who play the game and drop it after their first or second beat down from a player more skilled than them. Even though I'm repeating what's already been said in the game, what would they have contributed to the community anyway. If they're that easily discouraged, then they weren't even into the game to begin with.

Its probably impossible to tell which players are serious and which are not; but if you can spot someone who is a beginner and trying to get into the game, then I support giving advice. Other than that though, you're just wasting your breath. I will say that in my few years of playing fighters competatively, the best learning experiences were the matches I lost.

J.D

08-04-2008, 07:17 PM

Helping others learn how to play, and teaching them, isn't a sign of weakness.

I love this quote

CFAY

08-04-2008, 07:35 PM

Then they can figure out a way to make it more profitable. It's not our responsibility to make their business a success, and last I checked, arcades are doing well in Japan.

thats the point, doesnt this show that there is a problem with people getting too good and racking up too many wins againt everyone. its not good for business and im not saying you should let the scrub win so the arcade can stay open. i'm just pointing out that i can see where the scrubs and arcade owners are coming from.

So how does letting them win and cruise on and on with 1 quarter make things better?

god, where did i say you should lose to a scrub? but when you do rack up your wins on these scrubs, that kills their motivation to paly the game. theyll just see it as wasting money since for one they cant learn shit with you all over them throughout the whole match. Youll be back tomorrow to tear up more scrubs and the few good players but be sure thay there'll be some who will not touch that arcade game again because of the beating you gave them. not everyone have the same mentality as us where we wil lose until we win or pockets run dry.

Because you're just skimming through the responses. People can play SF online now anyway.

can you play SF4 online right now? i dont think so. no one cares if they lose online. this topic is about the arcade scene and SF4. i didnt ask if you feel sorry for scrubs in general because i dont. you dont see scrubs dropping coins in any other SF games aroud here anyway, they know better and soon it'll be the same with SF4.

How do you you know all these fickle gamers who will drop a game after losing 1 time will ever amount of anything substantial in the grand scheme of things? How long would have they played the game anyway even if they were tricked into thinking they were good by people who knew how to play? Do you know anyone who got into SF because some vet decided to sandbag against him? I know people do that to scrubs, but I've never heard of someone who kept playing SF because of that happening to them

they might not drop the game after 1 try but if these happy button mashing scrubs
even play you 100 times, it will be the same outcome so they'll eventually just give up. theyre not giving up on the game but theyre giving up on trying to have fun playing at the arcade because they know people like us will just eat them up. im talking about people who just want to enjoy the game with the little knowledge they have and dont give a shit about roll cancel and kara jibberish.

pherai

08-04-2008, 07:54 PM

thats the point, doesnt this show that there is a problem with people getting too good and racking up too many wins againt everyone. its not good for business and im not saying you should let the scrub win so the arcade can stay open. i'm just pointing out that i can see where the scrubs and arcade owners are coming from.

Nope, because each game costs 1 quarter. Each game, 1 person wins. So it doesn't really matter who wins, because the same thing happens after each game: 1 person puts in 1 quarter.

god, where did i say you should lose to a scrub? but when you do rack up your wins on these scrubs, that kills their motivation to paly the game. theyll just see it as wasting money since for one they cant learn shit with you all over them throughout the whole match. Youll be back tomorrow to tear up more scrubs and the few good players but be sure thay there'll be some who will not touch that arcade game again because of the beating you gave them. not everyone have the same mentality as us where we wil lose until we win or pockets run dry.

Why wouldn't they find someone at their level? In my experience, people want to play other people at, or slightly above their skill level. I rarely see good players going out of their way to beat up on new players. It's not hard to figure out which is the right cab for you.

can you play SF4 online right now? i dont think so. no one cares if they lose online. this topic is about the arcade scene and SF4. i didnt ask if you feel sorry for scrubs in general because i dont. you dont see scrubs dropping coins in any other SF games aroud here anyway, they know better and soon it'll be the same with SF4.

It's only a matter of time before they can. The arcade environment is conducive to hardcore play. It always has been. The problem is these people you talk about give up when they realize they are scrubs. The only way to prolong their involvement in the game is by making ourselves worse. There is no fun in that.

they might not drop the game after 1 try but if these happy button mashing scrubs
even play you 100 times, it will be the same outcome so they'll eventually just give up. theyre not giving up on the game but theyre giving up on trying to have fun playing at the arcade because they know people like us will just eat them up. im talking about people who just want to enjoy the game with the little knowledge they have and dont give a shit about roll cancel and kara jibberish.

Let them buy the console version. The whole reason people spend lots of money in arcades is because they want to get better. Do you know anyone who ever went to an arcade on a regular basis with no intention of being better than someone else?

If there were enough people who wanted to play SF, but only casually, I think you'd see more cabs around, just like you see a lot of public basketball courts, but there aren't.

CFAY

08-04-2008, 07:59 PM

Hey, that was you yesterday? The guy with the good Ryu at Adores? I was the guy playing an average Gief and a poor Balrog. That is a nice Ryu you've got there. It's too bad that the top comp wasn't around last night (at least not when I was there) because I would have liked to see a few matches against the better Vega (Dictators) that are always giving me trouble. Man, I was going to ask if you were on SRK.

I guess the reason you brought up this post was the really scrubby Ken who was mashing on the buttons and basically just did Fierce DPs all day long. I felt bad for him too, and would usually give him a round. But I quit that after he beat me off when I ate one too many DPs.

I was pretty surprised because you don't usually see that level of scrub around here: Street Fighter has been around for so long, I've just almost never seen it here. I'm glad that SF4 has brought back more interest though - I think lots of people are getting into it and that's only a good thing.

I'll probably keep going easy on people in the middle round, but I have to admit that I'm not good enough that I don't end up losing sometimes. Well, I've got a job so the 100 yen isn't going to kill me.

oh shit hahaha yea that was me. you were sitting next to me using the boxer right? there were so many gaijins there i was almost sure one was from SRK but the first one i ended up talking to didnt sound like he was so i didnt bother talking to anyone else. first time stepping out of my yokosuka SF4 cage. felt good to fight some other players and get some surprises but as for skill level, not much different from yokosuka. a good ken and rufus showed up eventually. though i won againt both of them, i could have done much better once i got their game down.

was that your gief i fought :rofl: good match. thanks on the ryu comp, still need work though. i lose to crap every now and then. i mentioned in another post before that i never fought a really good dictatior but i catch on pretty quick so hopefully next time i stop by, that player is around. just off the top of my head i can think of a few of his tricks but we'll see.

i made this post a few days ago but its the same reason like you said, only in a different city.

FuguTabetai

08-04-2008, 08:44 PM

If there were enough people who wanted to play SF, but only casually, I think you'd see more cabs around, just like you see a lot of public basketball courts, but there aren't.

Oh god, I wish there were more public basketball courts around! I know of about three public courts in all of Tokyo, and the two that I've been to have sucked. I haven't played ball since I left New York. And I have a much better chance of actually being average height in Tokyo than I ever did in NYC.

I'm kind of joking, but there are lots of cabs around here. Most big arcades have at least 4 (so, 2 1-1 cabs.)

I do wish that there was some way to match up to people based on the points on their cards though, that would be useful.

FuguTabetai

08-04-2008, 08:49 PM

oh shit hahaha yea that was me. you were sitting next to me using the boxer right? there were so many gaijins there i was almost sure one was from SRK but the first one i ended up talking to didnt sound like he was so i didnt bother talking to anyone else. first time stepping out of my yokosuka SF4 cage. felt good to fight some other players and get some surprises but as for skill level, not much different from yokosuka. a good ken and rufus showed up eventually. though i won againt both of them, i could have done much better once i got their game down.

was that your gief i fought :rofl: good match. thanks on the ryu comp, still need work though. i lose to crap every now and then. i mentioned in another post before that i never fought a really good dictatior but i catch on pretty quick so hopefully next time i stop by, that player is around. just off the top of my head i can think of a few of his tricks but we'll see.

i made this post a few days ago but its the same reason like you said, only in a different city.

yeah, that was me. I only played with Gief a bit because I know when I'm outclassed. I still thought that given enough time (and money) I might get a win in, but it was iffy, so I switched over to Bison and beat on the Abels for a while. (lots of Abels over there.)

In Shibuya there is also a Taito arcade that has a really strong Bison and Zangief. I don't like the setup over there as much (more cramped, low seats) so I don't go there as much as the Adores.

In Tokyo you are better off going to Akihabara's Hey, or it sounds like the really hot competition is over at Hachiouji's UFO where the machines are set to 50yen. I'm not about to take an hour trip out to Hachiouji when I could hang out at Shibuya (which is on my commute) with all the young gals walking around though.

I'll be sure to say hi next time. I also tried talking to a few foreigners who were hanging around, but none of them knew about srk so I just gave up eventually.

CFAY

08-04-2008, 10:14 PM

yeah, that was me. I only played with Gief a bit because I know when I'm outclassed. I still thought that given enough time (and money) I might get a win in, but it was iffy, so I switched over to Bison and beat on the Abels for a while. (lots of Abels over there.)

In Shibuya there is also a Taito arcade that has a really strong Bison and Zangief. I don't like the setup over there as much (more cramped, low seats) so I don't go there as much as the Adores.

In Tokyo you are better off going to Akihabara's Hey, or it sounds like the really hot competition is over at Hachiouji's UFO where the machines are set to 50yen. I'm not about to take an hour trip out to Hachiouji when I could hang out at Shibuya (which is on my commute) with all the young gals walking around though.

I'll be sure to say hi next time. I also tried talking to a few foreigners who were hanging around, but none of them knew about srk so I just gave up eventually.

i think a good gief game should beat abel. lariat punishes basically all his moves, no free cross up mix ups, and you got a much better range on command grab. i was actually hoping to get matched up with your boxer? i did i did challenge a boxer once though, was that you? i dont know where the other SF4 arcades are though but one guy told me sega across from 109.

almost forgot. i saw how that guy did you when you were waiting to play. he played the first round and knew he was going to lose so he pulled out his wallet/coin purse and dropped in another 100yen while playing hahaha.

MYK jamgi

08-05-2008, 01:50 AM

I'm not much of a SF player, but this sure does remind me of my earlier tekken days.

I remember first picking up the game and going to my local arcade to get my ass kicked. Personally, I didn't take it the wrong way.. I just always wanted to get better and be able to beat the guys that have once beaten me. So day in and day out losing only made me want to get better. So that's exactly what I did.

I think if people really want to get better, getting their asses kicked is the only way. Sure I'm on the top of the food chain now, and I hand out beatings whenever I can. But I dont personally feel bad for them, because I let them know what their doing wrong and how to improve, so that maybe one day what once happened to me, can happen for them. But yeah then again if their a little kid, I just like to not block every once and a while.

Deacon_ncc

08-05-2008, 03:09 AM

Here's an issue that's unique to me. I'm pretty good on the pad (ps2). I can get on SRK and just look at a strat or two and learn. The problem is the switch over to the arcade scene. I can't drive for myself (visual handicap) so when I do get to go, it sucks that all my skill gets dropped down below scrub level. I bought an arcade stick to try to get better, but it's tough w/o being on the scene to get execution tips. I to this day can't do a dp or super w/o mashing basically. I used to be able to get by playing A groove in CVS2, but I want to be good.

BTW even with my knowledge I don't even know what a kattobi cancel is. Can someone answer that for me? As well as the proper way to hold the stick so that it's a little easier to get stuff to come out. Nothing seems comfortable. Thank you all.

FuguTabetai

08-05-2008, 03:48 AM

i think a good gief game should beat abel. lariat punishes basically all his moves, no free cross up mix ups, and you got a much better range on command grab.

I think 'Gief has this one too because basically Abel has to get in to cause damage, and you can take a sacrifice hit (on the leg kick thing for example) into SPD, and also you can often SPD out of his three punch chain. I'm not sure if that works every time, but I can often get a SPD right before the throw move comes out.

One Abel was doing this to me though, and I couldn't get out of it consistently: knockdown, crossover (forward? short? kick) standing short, command grab. I *could* *not* for the life of me SPD his command throw and the lariat wasn't coming out. Maybe I was just off that day, but it happened like 7 or 8 times.

i was actually hoping to get matched up with your boxer? i did i did challenge a boxer once though, was that you? i dont know where the other SF4 arcades are though but one guy told me sega across from 109.

I think you beat my boxer at least once. I did at least have a few close matches, but that could have been against tenzen (a Japanese Ryu.) After that I started working on my awful Dhalsim in practice mode, then came back and had a long run against other people.

The Taito is near the East exit - on the opposite side of the tracks from the Hachiko area. If you are looking at 109, you turn right, walk under the train tracks (past the police information box) and it is in the large Bic Camera building in the basement. I don't like that arcade as much as the Amuse though. I haven't checked the big Sega yet.

I went to Akihabara today and played for two hours on the 16 machine (!) setup at Hey. Competition wasn't too strong, maybe because of the early hour (4-6pm.) There was like a 15,000 point El Fuerte though.

almost forgot. i saw how that guy did you when you were waiting to play. he played the first round and knew he was going to lose so he pulled out his wallet/coin purse and dropped in another 100yen while playing hahaha.

yeah, that guy was on the other side of the line pulling that crap too. None of the Japanese players were saying anything, but I gave him some grief when he did that to me. He told me that he wanted to use his card, but I was all like "that doesn't mean you can play again! Have some respect, people are waiting!" It didn't matter much though because he was pretty bad, and lost pretty quickly.

By the way, to some degree SF4 seems a lot more scrub friendly than Super Turbo. For Zangief, he is clearly scrub friendly: if you just screw around, it will optimistically pick the best moves to pull out for you. But today at Akihabara, I was watching a guy next to me who was clearly a scrub, keep winning. He couldn't do a fireball without letting go of the joystick, and asked me how to do the Ultra move (well, he was a foreigner so I guess he couldn't read the blurb on the machine) and he banged on the buttons all the time. He knew what he wanted to do, and how to do it kind of, but had very little technical skill.

He had like a 5 game winning streak against reasonable Ryus. I was amazed. If you play a slightly wild Ken, and get out a lot of random Ultras / Supers, I think you can win more than you would in Super Turbo. The same us probably true for 'Gief (strangely makes me feel sad since I've been playing Gief since SF2:WW when that came out in high school) but positively not true for someone like El Fuerte or C. Viper. That's my guess anyway.

Radiantsilvergun3

08-05-2008, 04:18 AM

I only feel bad for scrubs when no one bothers to drop some advice on a scrub who clearly wants to learn. Otherwise let em burn.

StuartHayden

08-05-2008, 04:46 AM

How can people be scrubs at a game that's only been out in arcades for what? 2 weeks?

the supreme

08-05-2008, 06:05 AM

The best is destroying some noob player in front of his girlfriend....i'll go out of my way to challenge someone in this case because he'll put lots of money in a bid to try and save face......WRONG :rofl:

Sabin

08-05-2008, 06:51 AM

How can people be scrubs at a game that's only been out in arcades for what? 2 weeks?

because people have been playing this game for months now in Japan's location tests? Also, just because its a new game doesnt mean everyone starts off equal. There are tons of players playing with backgrounds in fighting games, along with at least some newcomers to the fighting game scene in general (at least i think so.) So yeah, theres definately scrubs etc.

Also have to remember that info travels a lot quickly these days due to bbs/u2b and the internet. 2 weeks is a LONG time in any fighting game that is competitive. Well..not that long..but still you get my point.

StuartHayden

08-05-2008, 07:58 AM

because people have been playing this game for months now in Japan's location tests? Also, just because its a new game doesnt mean everyone starts off equal. There are tons of players playing with backgrounds in fighting games, along with at least some newcomers to the fighting game scene in general (at least i think so.) So yeah, theres definately scrubs etc.

Also have to remember that info travels a lot quickly these days due to bbs/u2b and the internet. 2 weeks is a LONG time in any fighting game that is competitive. Well..not that long..but still you get my point.

Owned. :(

Deacon_ncc

08-05-2008, 02:07 PM

I only feel bad for scrubs when no one bothers to drop some advice on a scrub who clearly wants to learn. Otherwise let em burn.

I found a description of a kattobi cancel, but that still doesn't help my execution. Are there any tips that could help me in my practice.

Clearly I want to learn and improve but unless I send a personal message nobdy seems to want to help when I ask in a thread.

forgenjuro

08-05-2008, 02:16 PM

The Taito is near the East exit - on the opposite side of the tracks from the Hachiko area. If you are looking at 109, you turn right, walk under the train tracks (past the police information box) and it is in the large Bic Camera building in the basement. I don't like that arcade as much as the Amuse though. I haven't checked the big Sega yet.

I went to Akihabara today and played for two hours on the 16 machine (!) setup at Hey. Competition wasn't too strong, maybe because of the early hour (4-6pm.) There was like a 15,000 point El Fuerte though.

Tell me how Sega is in Shibuya. Thats where I want to go play usually. I didnt like Taito as well.

As for Hey! that place gets MAD crowded around 5-6pm. Although the only famous person i know that goes there is RX. I bet he dont play sf4 anyways.
I found a description of a kattobi cancel, but that still doesn't help my execution. Are there any tips that could help me in my practice.

Clearly I want to learn and improve but unless I send a personal message nobdy seems to want to help when I ask in a thread.

wtf is a kattobi cancel?

Radiantsilvergun3

08-05-2008, 03:26 PM

I found a description of a kattobi cancel, but that still doesn't help my execution. Are there any tips that could help me in my practice.

Clearly I want to learn and improve but unless I send a personal message nobdy seems to want to help when I ask in a thread.

Whats a Kattobi Cancel?

As for the stick. I started off by slowing my executions down to the point i could do them consitently. When i found i tried to do them really fast i would over or under rotate and not get my move, especially Supers. I just slowed my exactions down. My game suffered for a while but my moves where coming out cause I was making sure to get the motion right which was more important at the time I thought. eventually i started slowly speeding up untill i could get them out on reaction. Basically lots of practice.

I've had to go back to doing this when i decided 3rd Strike bored me and moved to back to Super Turbo after not playing for years. Picking up single rotation moves is simple enough but my supers are still a bit off and my DPs need a lot of work but I just keep at it trying to concentrate on making the motions right. My stick makes this really annoying clicking noise when i rotate the stick so i just try and listen for how many clicks i need for the DP and mentally make a note if i got to many or not enough but still do it by feeling and not sound.

My best advice is to buy a stick and practice practice practice. It takes a lot of work to adjust over to a stick but so far its been worth it.

archetype

08-05-2008, 03:57 PM

Who gives a fuck if they are losing? If they want to get better then they will step their game up and if they dont then its whatever. Put the damn Yen/quarters and man the fuck up. Fg's been around for years, why is it now a problem scrubs are losing?

Mutherfuckers been losing since day 1 on earth, just because there is a point/rank system doesnt change none of the core dynamics that its just a fighting game and someone wins and someone else loses.

Dudes is on some other shit.

player2

08-05-2008, 03:58 PM

Kattobi cancelling is a V-ISM/A-groove technique (I think). Certain characters can interrupt normal moves with VC activation, making for some interesting combo abilities. It requires impeccable timing, and very hard for the average/casual gamer to detect its startup.

AKUMA2000

08-05-2008, 05:06 PM

Scrub or not, play to win. :nunchuck:

Deacon_ncc

08-05-2008, 05:41 PM

Whats a Kattobi Cancel?

As for the stick. I started off by slowing my executions down to the point i could do them consitently. When i found i tried to do them really fast i would over or under rotate and not get my move, especially Supers. I just slowed my exactions down. My game suffered for a while but my moves where coming out cause I was making sure to get the motion right which was more important at the time I thought. eventually i started slowly speeding up untill i could get them out on reaction. Basically lots of practice.

I've had to go back to doing this when i decided 3rd Strike bored me and moved to back to Super Turbo after not playing for years. Picking up single rotation moves is simple enough but my supers are still a bit off and my DPs need a lot of work but I just keep at it trying to concentrate on making the motions right. My stick makes this really annoying clicking noise when i rotate the stick so i just try and listen for how many clicks i need for the DP and mentally make a note if i got to many or not enough but still do it by feeling and not sound.

My best advice is to buy a stick and practice practice practice. It takes a lot of work to adjust over to a stick but so far its been worth it.

Thank you so much. I do have a stick and mine too makes that annoying clicking noise. Here's one more question I had. From what I understand ST doesn't have the room for error. Do you think that I would improve faster if I played ST rather than some other game for execution?

fistoftheryustar

08-05-2008, 05:46 PM

yeah def not a bragging thread

CFAY

08-05-2008, 08:04 PM

yeah def not a bragging thread

:rofl: yea thread sure took a wrong turn

Oro's Other Arm

08-05-2008, 09:13 PM

I only feel sorry for the ones who end up matched against more experienced players who won't help them.

That happened to me on 3S. There was one good cabinet in my area, and about 80% of the time it was being camped by one of five guys who did not like new people playing their game on their cabinet, and they wouldn't teach you a damn thing because it might get you closer to actually winning against them.

Bounce

08-06-2008, 02:09 AM

First I will define a scrub:

Scrub- basically, a person who is not new to a task however is unwilling to learn skills that will make them better. A key trait to a scrub is someone who complains about cheapness, hacks, lag, or playing to hard.

For SF4 scrubs, or scrubs of anything for that matter, I say this:
Purchase your own private use facility or out of the way facility that is not used and play at your own will, if you want to complain. If not play casually, and take whatever is given.

Street Fighter 4 will not bring more people into the arcades, nor will it revitalize the fighting scene alone. The series is a legend, the characters, gameplay, and overall concept is classic. These are the same things that will keep the game from generating a 'revolution' in fighting games.

For those worried about arcades and the business made off of scrubs. Don't worry, scrubs always play and are turned off by people not by the medium. Casual players will make an arcade money, but not to the extent of a hardcore player willing to spend 10-20 dollars each visit.

Kunai

08-06-2008, 02:15 AM

On the topic of playing scrubs compared to playing good people, the Battle Point system is interesting. I noticed that if you play a guy who doesn't have a great record, and you keep beating him... you get points but not as much as you would against a higher ranked guy. And playing guys w/o cards is really a waste of BP.

It's a lot better than the point system they had for 3S online for XBox.

The Mullah

08-06-2008, 02:39 AM

sounds exactly the same as the cvs2 system, isn't that the same as the 3s one? do you get allocated a rank?

Maximilian Masters

08-07-2008, 12:43 AM

I love this quote Its the sound of thousands of people realizing how much of a douche they are.

It's a lot better than the point system they had for 3S online for XBox.
I constantly tried to make sense out of ST and 3s's online system, has to be some quantum algebraic theorem to determine your rank.

nGuman

08-08-2008, 06:46 PM

SN3S

08-09-2008, 07:12 AM

I like to refer to this as, 'tough love'.

Aye, going 0-25 on a night of ST teaches a guy how to zone and figure out grab ranges :lol:

When I play scrubs I'll either go allout (if they trash talk, front, want me to go hard on 'em, etc.) , try new things ( some mindgames, new combo/linkup), or I play to see where they can improve, and throw out stuff as I see it (e.g. "low roundhouse isn't too safe, don't just throw it out there", "watch out, if you aren't thinking you could get too hasty" etc)

Most of the time I'm just above scrub level though, so dunnow how much my advice helps :lol:

I'm like a hobo; sometimes I get lucky and stuff works/makes sense, but other times I'm way off :lol:

nGuman

08-09-2008, 10:36 AM

Snes lets play a game :p

BaSiK_TeKniK

08-09-2008, 11:30 AM

Helping others learn how to play, and teaching them, isn't a sign of weakness.

yep. I love teaching people how to plauy fighters so they dont have to resort to mashing.

SN3S

08-09-2008, 05:40 PM

Snes lets play a game :p

Dunnow what was best, the fact that the games were good, that I can cannon jump input on reaction, or your new av.

Good shit mayne, but enough off topic :lol:

nGuman

08-09-2008, 06:50 PM

Dunnow what was best, the fact that the games were good, that I can cannon jump input on reaction, or your new av.

Good shit mayne, but enough off topic :lol:

Haha, yeah, I was doing pretty good too. I was able to figure out that Cammy, I still wanna beat down your Honda.

Anyway. Hard work builds character, so I, as a scrub/noob, and others must lose and lose again until we lose so much that we know what it takes to win (not happening yet)

Anth0ny

08-09-2008, 06:57 PM

lol Pure Pwnage people :P

Anyways, I see losing as inspiration to get better. When I lose, I go home thinking "I gotta beat that mother fucker!", and keep that in mind while training.

Dan's Student

08-09-2008, 07:36 PM

I think as long as you're humble, and usually give out a "good game, but I've got some tips if you wanna hear them..." kinda deal, then you shouldn't feel bad about beating less experienced players. Like many have already said in this thread, if they REALLY actually want to learn and dedicate time to playing it, I think they'll give in to hearing good advice, and trying again until they learn a thing or two.

I also have to agree with someone who was defining "scrub." It's not someone who's new to the game IMO, it's someone who calls foul on certain tactics (Throwing, spamming, traps etc) or talks a lot of trash. I mean hell even if you're king of the arcade, why make someone's loss even worse by pouring salt on the wounds?

Speaking of trash talking...mind if we hijack this thread a bit? Let's hear about some experiences everyone's had with the GOOD times beating scrubs---and by that I mean the ones that are jerks that trash talked.

This thread made me think of either 2005 or 2006 Anime Expo (Can't remember which year exactly it was that this happened). I went for the exhibits of course, but when I found out they had an arcade room I was stoked. Anyways sometime towards the evening, I was on a CvS2 cab. Earlier there was a huge line of great players, but it was less crowded now so I decided to spend some time on it. People challenged me and we had close games, and I won a few and lost a few. I was having a great time.

So then, last guy in line, comes up and pops in a quarter. He looks at me, and says, "I'm gonna fuck you up," in the most serious tone you could ever hear.

Talk about an ass. He chose Dictator, Blanka and Sagat. At first I thought maybe he was kind of joking or just wasn't good and was gonna like, have a joke fight with me, etc etc. But no, after I beat his team with my P groove Gief, he stomped away, pretty pissed. He wasn't that great of course. I think it's safe to say that MOST people who brag, or plain piss on you and think they're the best in the room, tend to be a little...overconfident.

But yeah! I'd love to hear about others' similar experiences!

ckrazy

08-09-2008, 08:04 PM

Nope, I use to juggle people to death in tekken and pick santhrax against scrubs at the arcade. I put my money in to so I play to win. Sorry if you suck it ain't my fault.

nGuman

08-09-2008, 08:11 PM

lol Pure Pwnage people :P

Anyways, I see losing as inspiration to get better. When I lose, I go home thinking "I gotta beat that mother fucker!", and keep that in mind while training.

Thought you were a brawl dude D:

Dreams-Visions

08-09-2008, 09:25 PM

I will be a scrub. I will appreciate advice in the future. lol

nGuman

08-09-2008, 09:28 PM

I will be a scrub. I will appreciate advice in the future. lol

Yeah just accept losing, accept that you are not the best, and well work towards becoming better, be humble that is all, if you own someone, rip them to shreads, tough love.

Dreams-Visions

08-10-2008, 12:14 AM

Yeah just accept losing, accept that you are not the best, and well work towards becoming better, be humble that is all, if you own someone, rip them to shreads, tough love.
never have a problem with that.

Atomic #

08-10-2008, 12:47 AM

Bleh, I just went 0-oh my god I lost count at the EVO loketests... I am glad to simply play the game....

Argonomic

08-10-2008, 04:58 PM

When you walk into an arcade in Japan you really know what should be getting into. You know, it's serious business in most of them.

I was on vacation in Tokyo for a few days. Had never been there. I walked into an arcade in the Akihabara district. I tried playing 25 yen SSF2T but the guy that was beating everybody was playing at an entirely different level than I ever played SSF2T at.

Then I saw some guys playing 100yen third strike (best 3 out of 5 rounds). It was Dudley vs Yang. I was the king of the playground back at work on our office SF3 machine and pretty comfortable against those two characters. Dudley was losing then stood behind him to wait my turn.

Anyway I pick my Ibuki and immediately lose the first two rounds. I felt like a retard with the Japanese controls. Couldn't jump straight up. The Dudley guy was ready to get back on the machine but I sucked it up and came back and eeked out three rounds in a row for the win.

I think for once the "get your guard down by losing" strategy worked.

Then he used Sean, who nobody at the office uses, and kicked my ass. But I had satisfaction!