View Full Version : Daredevil : The Thread Without Fear!
thecarnalcorpse
09-24-2008, 07:53 PM
He dwells in eternal night --- but, the blackness is filled with sounds and scents other men cannot perceive. Though attorney Matt Murdock is blind, his other senses function with superhuman sharpness --- his radar sense guides him over every obstacle! He stalks the streets by night, a red-garbed foe of evil!
When I was younger, in my adolescent ignorance I always passed this guy off as a Spider-Man clone. What I mean by that is, often times Spidey and DD would team-up, and DD was prone to battling Spideys foes regularly. However, I recently picked up issue #105 of volume 2 on a whim and I've been absolutely hooked ever since. Fast-forward to now and I've read and re-read Frank Miller's entire masterpiece of a run, and I am currently saving for the Bendis omnibus. Ed Brubaker's pulp/noir style of writing is superb, and has flowed flawlessly from where Bendis left off. I'm proud to say that this is THE book that keeps me coming to the comic shop each month.
Any other DD fans out there?
Akutabi Gamma
09-25-2008, 06:27 AM
DD is cool and I plan to read his series in the near future.
I like how his series is self contained with very to do with the major crossovers over the past few years.
Lady Bullseye arc looks awesome though.
eddymasta
09-25-2008, 06:34 AM
Daredevil is too good. Easily my favorite super hero, and my favorite ongoing as well.
ShinkuuR
09-25-2008, 06:43 AM
Daredevil is one of the few titles(along with USM and Iron Fist) that I buy in trades, because it's so good that waiting for months to finish an arc pisses me off. That said, I'm a arc behind so I won't be reading up on Lady Bullseye for quite a while. :sad:
Great series though, definitely one of the most consistent titles out today.
I'm looking to get into DD and I heard that Frank Millar's ark was a great place to start. Anyone know the name of the trades?
thecarnalcorpse
09-25-2008, 10:22 AM
DD is cool and I plan to read his series in the near future.
I like how his series is self contained with very to do with the major crossovers over the past few years.
Lady Bullseye arc looks awesome though.
I feel the same way. The fact that DD is not included in say, Secret Invasion, makes the book more down to earth and realistic. I just read issue #111 last night and I gotta say that despite her costume and name both majorly lacking in originality, I'm still pumped for this new villain.
I'm looking to get into DD and I heard that Frank Millar's ark was a great place to start. Anyone know the name of the trades?
Daredevil Visionaries : Frank Miller Vol. 1-3 chronicles his entire run from #158-161 and #163-191. And if you can't find those, the run is about to be reprinted in 3 new trades starting in November, I think. The first of which being Daredevil by Frank Miller & Klaus Janson Vol. 1, collecting Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man #27-28, and Daredevil #158-161 and #163-172.
Zephyranthes
09-25-2008, 11:59 AM
I've been a Daredevil proponent for years now. It's the one ongoing title I still buy on a regular basis. I've pretty much halted everything else and wait for the TRADE, BABY, but I still buy DD (and CRIMINAAAAAL!!!1) every month. I don't know why, really, because I still buy both of those in TRADE, BABY regardless. I guess Daredevil's basically the only ongoing comic I am willing to buy twice. I used to have a huge chunk of the Bendis run, but I ended up giving it away to an impoverished buddy after I bought the TRADES, BABY.
It's just criminal how many great years of consistency Daredevil has had. The comic hasn't been bad since it the Marvel Knights launch. Most other series, like Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, X-Men, etc., have their dry periods or random bad crossover ideas that take up too many issues and fuck up the flow. Daredevil's been very stable.
And all that Frank Miller stuff holds up after all these years. Possibly the pinnacle of '80s Marvel.
DeathScythe
09-25-2008, 12:02 PM
Brubaker Daredevil is gdlk. Can't get any better than that on a monthly basis. I actually have to make a huge comics run soon. I haven't read anything in two months.
All I need is my daredevil and deadpool. Sad the only time they really got together was in that dd/dp annual in 1997. And still one of my fave comics to date.
thecarnalcorpse
09-25-2008, 08:42 PM
I guess Daredevil's basically the only ongoing comic I am willing to buy twice.
I'm not alone. ;o;
It's just criminal how many great years of consistency Daredevil has had. The comic hasn't been bad since it the Marvel Knights launch.
Marvel owed it to DD after the years of suck following Miller's initial run and his brief return for the epic Born Again arc.
Wellman
09-25-2008, 09:13 PM
DD is too strong. Definitely one of the great Marvel properties, although the movie killed it chances of going mainstream, the comic work alone is still better than most other solo books.
You can tell because they essentially pulled a OMD, in getting rid of his wife but did it in a way, that doesn't completely suck or cause people to hate the character.
just make a movie from man without fear, give it a dark feel, different actor, and im happy
darksoul173
09-28-2008, 06:19 PM
been reading DD too i love it the only weak point i have from this (if you call it a weak point)
is the fact that everytime i see Matt i see Ben Aflek other than that this comic is too good
thecarnalcorpse
09-28-2008, 08:01 PM
just make a movie from man without fear, give it a dark feel, different actor, and im happy
I'd rather see a 'Born Again' movie, but they'd probably just fuck it up.
been reading DD too i love it the only weak point i have from this (if you call it a weak point)
is the fact that everytime i see Matt i see Ben Aflek other than that this comic is too good
Do you mean Lark's portrayal of Matt looks like Affleck?
darksoul173
09-29-2008, 05:32 AM
No i mean everytime i see Matt i see Ben beacuse of the movie just like everytime i see Tony Stark i see Robert Downey Jr.
its a curse
I'd rather see a 'Born Again' movie, but they'd probably just fuck it up.
id rather see an introductory movie like 'batman begins'
rather than an established movie like 'batman & robin'
lol daredevil yellow as a animate movie would be dope as fuck to me.
thecarnalcorpse
09-29-2008, 08:18 PM
id rather see an introductory movie like 'batman begins'
rather than an established movie like 'batman & robin'
I just prefer Born Again over Man Without Fear as far as the stories go, but yeah you have a good point, MWF would make a better movie because it'd make the character more accessible to people who don't know DD.
lol daredevil yellow as a animate movie would be dope as fuck to me.
I agree, and the animation could mimic Tim Sale's art like The New Frontier animated movie did with Darwyn Cooke.
i am trying sooo hard to not buy this
http://cgi.ebay.ca/CGC-DAREDEVIL-1-VF-7-5_W0QQitemZ230293885073QQihZ013QQcategoryZ32730QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
lefty lizard
09-30-2008, 07:48 AM
dare devil is cool. he has an enhanced sense of smell in the comics,but not as good as wolverine's.
Zephyranthes
09-30-2008, 10:48 AM
His olfactory sense is more powerful than Wolverine's, actually. Wolvie's just got him beat in terms of popularity and hairiness.
P. Gorath
09-30-2008, 11:08 AM
they both lose to the punisher
lefty lizard
09-30-2008, 09:15 PM
His olfactory sense is more powerful than Wolverine's, actually. Wolvie's just got him beat in terms of popularity and hairiness.
hell no! daredevil's sense of smell is much better than the average human,but wolverine's sense of smell is on a whole other level. wolverine's sense of smell rival's a bloodhound dog.
if you read THE INFINITY WAR series you will see. in one of the issues from that series a alien was impersonating reed richards.wolverine swore up and down that he was a fake. he said he smelled funny. daredevil was in the same room and he said he didn't smell anything unusual. he even wondered if wolverine's sense of smell is better than his.
btw if anyone wants to play x-men legends 2(xbox)online my tag is Lefty Lizard. i'm usually on 10pm to 12am thursday-saturday
its true
as much as i love DD, its true.. however its still the infinity war so i take it with a grain of salt
1) wolvie catches it first
2) dd wondering how he didnt catch it
3) dd sensing a huge bomb after concentrating some more
4) dd sending fake reed a baton to the throat (so good)
thecarnalcorpse
10-01-2008, 10:05 AM
if you read THE INFINITY WAR series you will see. in one of the issues from that series a alien was impersonating reed richards.wolverine swore up and down that he was a fake. he said he smelled funny. daredevil was in the same room and he said he didn't smell anything unusual. he even wondered if wolverine's sense of smell is better than his.
M'kay, but ask yourself this! Can Wolverine taste the exact number of grains of salt on a pretzel?! Mm-hmm, that's what I thought!
4) dd sending fake reed a baton to the throat (so good)
So based on the pages from The Infinity War that Buz provided, what I read was that Wolverine sensed the imposter first, but DD reacted first. Yeah, where is your beserker rage when you need it, bub? Thus, while Wolverine may be the best there is at what he does, DD's blind ninja skillz are infinitely faster.
Zephyranthes
10-01-2008, 11:16 AM
You know, I clearly remember that scene from The Infinity War. In fact, that is the comic book that introduced me to the word "olfactory" and yesterday was probably the first time in about seventeen years I've actually used it in a non-ironic sentence. Even so, I am willing to disown a piece of my childhood and continue to believe that Daredevil's sense of smell is more powerful than Wolverine's. The Infinity War - that's what I call ALL SKILL, BABY.
For one thing, if you read Daredevil comics regularly, it's established that Matt has a tendency to get overpowered from smells and scents. For example, recent issues show Matt vainly trying to scrub his entire house with industrial-strength cleaning agents so he wouldn't smell his wife any longer. Have you ever seen Wolverine scrub down the X-Mansion when Jean Grey died? I suppose it's possible that Logan is simply a cruel, heartless, and hairy animal, in which case I may have no counterpoint to that. (Other than all those '90s Larry Hama issues where Logan keeps screaming, "MAAAAN!! NOT ANIMAAAAL!! MAN!!!" and points to himself frantically.)
Second, it seems very illogical that Matt's other senses would be boosted to super-duper levels while his smell would only get boosted by a small amount. I admit this point is a big stretch, but considering how powerful his other senses are, I would imagine his smell to be on par. Taste and smell are related senses, correct? And like carnycorpse mentioned, Matt's sense of taste is so developed that he can taste "the exact number of grains of salt on a pretzel." Seventy or seventy-five percent of what we taste comes from our sense of smell. (I looked it up here on some website I've never heard of after doing a Google search: http://www.reachoutmichigan.org/funexperiments/agesubject/lessons/newton/tstesmll.html ) As it's been established that Matt indisputably has a superior sense of taste compared to Wolverine, it logically follows that Matt's sense of smell is equally superior.
lefty lizard
10-01-2008, 02:10 PM
why did they butcher that daredevil movie so much? god that movie was bad. they couldn't even get the characters ethniticity right. king pin is a fat white guy in the comics and elektra is at least half asian. why was king pin a medium build black guy and elektra was not even 30% asian:confused:.
lucy lui would have made a great elektra,and they could have used a white male to be king pin. they could always make him bigger if he was not fat,like eddie murphy in the nutty professer.
I'm sure she is 100% greek
Even then, garner gives zero ethnicity to the character regardless
thecarnalcorpse
10-01-2008, 08:21 PM
You know, I clearly remember that scene from The Infinity War. In fact, that is the comic book that introduced me to the word "olfactory" and yesterday was probably the first time in about seventeen years I've actually used it in a non-ironic sentence. Even so, I am willing to disown a piece of my childhood and continue to believe that Daredevil's sense of smell is more powerful than Wolverine's. The Infinity War - that's what I call ALL SKILL, BABY.
For one thing, if you read Daredevil comics regularly, it's established that Matt has a tendency to get overpowered from smells and scents. For example, recent issues show Matt vainly trying to scrub his entire house with industrial-strength cleaning agents so he wouldn't smell his wife any longer. Have you ever seen Wolverine scrub down the X-Mansion when Jean Grey died? I suppose it's possible that Logan is simply a cruel, heartless, and hairy animal, in which case I may have no counterpoint to that. (Other than all those '90s Larry Hama issues where Logan keeps screaming, "MAAAAN!! NOT ANIMAAAAL!! MAN!!!" and points to himself frantically.)
Second, it seems very illogical that Matt's other senses would be boosted to super-duper levels while his smell would only get boosted by a small amount. I admit this point is a big stretch, but considering how powerful his other senses are, I would imagine his smell to be on par. Taste and smell are related senses, correct? And like carnycorpse mentioned, Matt's sense of taste is so developed that he can taste "the exact number of grains of salt on a pretzel." Seventy or seventy-five percent of what we taste comes from our sense of smell. (I looked it up here on some website I've never heard of after doing a Google search: http://www.reachoutmichigan.org/funexperiments/agesubject/lessons/newton/tstesmll.html ) As it's been established that Matt indisputably has a superior sense of taste compared to Wolverine, it logically follows that Matt's sense of smell is equally superior.
Word. I mean c'mon, he's in a room with like half the Marvel Universe, right? There's bound to be some funky-ass smells floating around in there dulling his normally acute olfactory senses. Personally, I blame Wolverine, living with wolves in the Canadian wilderness all those years has got to create some awful hygienic habits. Seriously Logan, you stink bro.
did anyone ever read daredevil ninja?
thecarnalcorpse
10-06-2008, 05:15 PM
did anyone ever read daredevil ninja?
I've read plenty of bad reviews for it.
What is everyone's opinion of DD #111, and the new story arc it kicks off?
Zephyranthes
10-06-2008, 08:26 PM
I have a high opinion of just about anything Ed Brubaker writes. He's never let me down, so I'm sure I'm biased. (Of course, anyone who doesn't believe the exact same thing as me is a heathen, and the Church of Bru, in preparation for the eventual Comic Book Crusades, keeps a record of all the pagans.)
DD #111 was a strong issue. I was pretty impressed with the art. It wasn't Lark, but it had the same feel. Must have been Gaudiano's finishing touches. Brubaker's a master of the slow burn but he's great at producing fairly dense reads even in terms of the twenty-two page serial format.
The new development in Matt's personal life is something that I've been expecting for many, many months now. Still feels kinda surprising and natural in context, though. Bru's also been beefing up Daredevil's old rogues gallery and now it looks like he's adding one of his own. This story is gonna make another sexy TRADE, BABY.
thecarnalcorpse
10-07-2008, 08:20 PM
I too was pleased with issue #111.
Mann's artwork was refreshing yet still in the same vein as Lark's, which I agree probably had a lot to do with Gaudiano's inks. In fact, I think if it weren't for the heavy inks, Mann's art would have been too clean and lacking in details.
Lady Bullseye's origin was brief, but believable. I was definitely entertained by the clever usage of crate splinters and keys. l'm very curious about her connection with the Hand, and I can't wait to see Iron Fist back in the pages of DD.
I also saw the development in Matt's personal life on the horizon, but felt that it hadn't been explored enough to warrant the events of #111, nevertheless Brubaker has acted on it. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested in where it'll lead.
A fantastic DD fansite - http://www.manwithoutfear.com/daredevil.shtml
A preview of DD #112 - http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.5222.Daredevil_vs_the_Hand
Wellman
10-07-2008, 08:43 PM
I've read plenty of bad reviews for it.
What is everyone's opinion of DD #111, and the new story arc it kicks off?
DD: Ninja isn't bad. But then again when I read it, I was just getting back into comics since a long break during my childhood where I mainly read books that had cartoons. So seeing DD kick ninja ass regardless of story was sort of a new experience for me.
is daredevil ninja the one where he gets kidnapped in his sleep?
thecarnalcorpse
10-21-2008, 07:04 PM
is daredevil ninja the one where he gets kidnapped in his sleep?
Daredevil: Ninja is the one where Stick's staff is stolen. Which by the way, I never said was bad...I only stated that I've read bad reviews for it. I don't find this too hard to believe though, since Brian Michael Bendis is in fact, a mere mortal, and not every story that comes out of him is pure fucking comic gold. There, I said it.
The cover to DD #115 - http://comics.ign.com/articles/920/920819p1.html
Playing cards, oh snap. ;0
Cody Travers
11-04-2008, 06:37 PM
Preview for #113
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/soapbox/122584837273937.htm
thecarnalcorpse
11-05-2008, 06:04 PM
I think we're overdue for thecarnalcorpse's "review" for DD #112.
First let me say, it's good to have Mr. Lark back on pencils again. I have nothing against Clay Mann, his art for #111 was exceptional, but what can I say? I dig shadows, and Lark's style is a better fit alongside Gaudiano's heavy inks. I particularly enjoyed Iron Fist's 1 and 1/2 page "test", nearly blacked out and only illuminated by his chi and the pale moon. Fucking sick. It almost makes me wanna read Iron Fist.
As for the story itself, I think Mr. Brubaker is doing an excellent job of bringing the Hand back into the forefront of Matt's life. I'll admit, I haven't read many stories with the Hand beyond Miller's run, save for the little tidbits in Bendis's run, but I haven't been able to take them seriously since then. Clearly, they are no Stilt-Man, but I still feel as though they've become less prominent of an adversary. So yeah, with this new arc they're scary again and stuffs, all mysterious putting Iron Fist and Black Tarantula through mysterious tests and all that business. One of the highlights of the story for me was the panel where Matt was released and Detective Slater says: "Don't you wanna ask why?" and Matt replies: "I don't need to." as if to say, you know I'm DD and I know you know I'm DD and I don't care 'cause you got nothin' on me, clown. I also found Matt's reaction to Dakota's alibi pretty humorous and very typical of his guilt-ridden character. Finally, this Master Izo guy, ugh...another spunky, fiesty old sensei character? And what's this...Lark drew no pupils on the last panel where he faces Matt, indicating a glazed-over blind look?! I mean no disrespect to Mr. Brubaker, but c'mon, at this point it looks as if he's trying to recreate the Miller years with a fau-Stick character guiding him through battles with the Hand. At the same time, I'm kinda digging him, so here's to hoping Master Izo is uniquely individual. At least he didn't try to revive Stick. ;/
And yes, I did manage to snag a copy of the undead sickness that is the Daredevil #112 Foreman zombie variant.
Cody Travers
11-05-2008, 09:16 PM
Daredevil: Noir Preview
http://alexirvine.blogspot.com/2008/11/daredevil-noir-pages.html
Daredevil: Noir Preview
http://alexirvine.blogspot.com/2008/11/daredevil-noir-pages.html
lol noir in comics=make it look at close to sin cityish as we can without it bein sin city. :rofl:
Cody Travers
11-06-2008, 09:48 AM
The noir/pulp genre has been around in comics since early and mid 30's
spudlyff8fan
11-08-2008, 03:20 PM
lol noir in comics=make it look at close to sin cityish as we can without it bein sin city. :rofl:
Ironically, Sin City was making Sin City look like Daredevil without it bein' Daredevil. :rofl:
Not really, though.
Frank Miller was doin' Daredevil before Sin City tho. I miss Maleev though :|
The noir/pulp genre has been around in comics since early and mid 30's
the look of noir in the 30's doesnt look like the comic for daredevil...i believe most people are using sin city and funny enough calvin and hobbes as a jumpoff.
Ironically, Sin City was making Sin City look like Daredevil without it bein' Daredevil. :rofl:
Not really, though.
Frank Miller was doin' Daredevil before Sin City tho. I miss Maleev though :|
haha i got lost in that post. lol. yeah i got some of his daredevil stuff.
spudlyff8fan
11-08-2008, 09:46 PM
haha i got lost in that post. lol. yeah i got some of his daredevil stuff.
I said "though" too much.
thecarnalcorpse
11-11-2008, 05:52 PM
The closest thing I've seen that relates to Sin City in any way is the promotional ads for the noir line that Marvel is working on. Even then its just black and white art with heavy contrasts, in fact, it's an artistic technique known as chiaroscuro. Mr. Miller has an extremely unique drawing style, one of my all-time favorites, but I think it's unfair to automatically assume all artists involved are ripping him off. If anything Marvel may very well be cashing in on Sin City's success by promoting the noir line with those particular images...but, if you go to Mr. Irvine's site for example, you can see that his work in no way resembles Frank Miller's. At any rate, don't you think if Marvel intended on making money this way, they would have made a play at simplistic, B&W noir comics a lot sooner when Sin City's initial success began?
On a side note, I recommend the Daredevil/Captain America: Dead on Arrival one-shot. It has a retro feel to it, but the dialogue isn't heavily dated or anything. The art is really beautiful too, it looks like some kind of mixture of pencils and watercolors maybe? My only complaint is dude doesn't know how to draw DD's costume eyes. ;/
spudlyff8fan
11-11-2008, 05:58 PM
I don't think that Marvel is necessarily trying to cash in on Sin City. I just think that, with stuff like Ultimate Marvel and the new House of M minis, reinventions of characters is very lucrative, and removing the super hero element is the best available direction they could go for another reinventing.
thecarnalcorpse
11-11-2008, 06:20 PM
I don't either. I'm acknowledging the fact that they could be, but I see no indication other than those promotional images that kind of look like Sin City art. I just think it's ignorant to say, "lol noir in comics=make it look at close to sin cityish as we can without it bein sin city.", when the sample page of Alex Irvine's art looks nothing like a Sin City knock-off. There is more to the noir genre than black and white.
spudlyff8fan
11-18-2008, 11:19 AM
Two years ago, the Kingpin left America…but in DAREDEVIL #116, writer Ed Brubaker brings him back into the fold with the prelude to "Return of the King!" Still reeling from Lady Bullseye's attack, the Man Without Fear won't have a second to catch his breath before barreling headfirst into his next epic, so don't miss out on the beginning of another Daredevil classic in the making!
Biggest surprise ever?
Cody Travers
11-20-2008, 10:51 PM
New #113 Preview
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=714
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