The giants? How do you feel about em?

[G.O.T]

I haven't really had any real qualms with them, or that they don't really have the best advantages right now at this point in the game since everyone is taking baby steps. Also interesting seeing them being played in tourneys as well. You know I kind of like them. It's something new..tag team fighters-wise I think.

But they in my opinion feel as they don't belong. Those slots on the character screen could have been someone else, ya know? Since it's like they are 2 characters 4 more characters could have been added to the roster.

Instead we have the giants. Do you welcome them, hate them, or just kind of cope because it's all we got? You know just out of curiousity.




Of course some of you could give a shit....

[GHNeko]

I personally like the giants because they interest me. I like how they work and I'd find them fun to watch being played. I don't play them because I strictly always use Megaman.

They're like Dan Hibiki and S3 Sean. You just kinda find yourself rooting for those characters in fights. Same thing with me and the giants. I hope for them to win. I want them to win, because watching them win is like watching Dan beat Akuma or something.

That's just me.

[thegame4ever]

Giants are really annoying. It involves me just moving back and spamming projectiles since yeah, giants don't flinch. They're really out of place in this game, and there could have been much better alternatives.

[yourmother]

Yeah it's a cool idea, but in practice it just ends up making the match really boring most of the time.

[G.O.T]

Giants are really annoying. It involves me just moving back and spamming projectiles since yeah, giants don't flinch. They're really out of place in this game, and there could have been much better alternatives.

Yeah I agree on the much better alternatives.

[frustratedsquirrel]

I love them. I don't find them boring at all, especially PTX.

However, they suck. :/ They have a million counterpicks that make the match almost imposible to win against, they are actually very frail due to only being 1 character and not being able to regenerate health, and they don't have many options against defensive players.

Stupid stuff like PTX's grab being so easy to tech, and characters with command throws like Tekkaman being able to rape them for free.

It's like the developers THOUGHT they'd be too powerful and so purposefully mooted a lot of their better options.

I'm still going to main PTX, but I will only ever use him as a counterpick against teams who don't have Tekkaman/Karas/Saki/Alex. He has the tools to win, but not against those characters.

[izanagisama]

I think they are an interesting idea that could have been implemented a lot better. I agree with frustratedsquirrel that it seems like they were intentionally weakened for the sake of balance, but it was taken way too far.

They're fun to goof around with, but when most everyone can just run away or beat them outright I can't help feel like that they're character slots could have been better used by someone else. I'd love for that opinion to change, I just don't think it'll happen...

[Demon Dash]

I'm loving the concept, they're fun...

[Sylence]

I posted my thoughts about the difficulty in balancing the giant characters in the Tier discussion thread, here: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=6000928&postcount=107

It's kinda too bad that they didn't turn out to be very effective characters, because their popularity is sure to suffer now. Already you can see, part of the reason why people now say they wouldn't want giant characters in a sequel is because they've made such a bad first showing. If they were more formidable, people would think differently. Admittedly, if it's that bad for a sequel, I too would feel like those character slots were kinda wasted.

When I first saw them, I remember thinking "this isn't bad, this will be like one of those boss battles against the first form of Abyss or Onslaught, except it won't be with a dumb CPU that you can just camp and bait and beat with stupid stuff all the time, it could be a real challange, and it's something new". As a matter of fact, my biggest gripe with the game was that they included a feature-less, rider-less PTX thing instead of Blodia, or a Techromancer character... so I did care enough about them being in the game to have an opinion on their inclusion. Anyway. That's just how it goes.

I do hope that Capcom will be willing to try them again in a sequel.

[wolfox_okamicha]

They are good. The problem is that people are playing them like they're playing two characters. They should control them like giants.

For instance. Spammy projectiles? Lightan reflect or go near them, or counterattack with PTX's strong projectiles.

[XSilvenX]

They are good. The problem is that people are playing them like they're playing two characters. They should control them like giants.

For instance. Spammy projectiles? Lightan reflect or go near them, or counterattack with PTX's strong projectiles.

It really isn't that simple....but k :wonder:



Anyway I think the giants are a waste of character space. Capcom's development time could have been put to better use for sure. 2-4 more "normal" characters would have been immensely better

[Demon Dash]

Either way, I hope they continue this series and use this as experience to further balance the giants in the future. It's an interesting concept I think, kind of like ratio in CvS2 except with it's own obvious twist. It's extremely fair on the smaller characters too as this game has shown. They just need a few tweaks to even things out, like a little more speed to clear ground and in PTX's case, better combo options.

I don't think I could compare these guys to Sentinel, they seem to be on a much bigger scale to me and I'm not supprised it was hard to hit the nail on the head first time. But I deffinately like them, they make the game more interesting. Had they have been just a little bit better, it would have added loads to the nature of the match-ups. Instead of it just being a one way thing most of the time.

Garr for TvC2 please...

[thegame4ever]

Dante from DMC or Wesker from RE. Wesker would be the game's dictator (vega).

[XSilvenX]

Dante from DMC or Wesker from RE. Wesker would be the game's dictator (vega).

RE characters... *_*. Yah do I have to remind you of Jill? Realistic "heroes" suck in vs. games and you know it.

[jimmy1200]

giants are garbage. wasnt gold dude not even suppose to be in the game, and he was just in there for the location test.

fuck giants. i hope they die fast

[thegame4ever]

re characters... *_*. Yah do i have to remind you of jill? Realistic "heroes" suck in vs. Games and you know it.

should i remind you that wesker survived a stab wound from a fucking tyrant close range, is so powerful you can see his eyes glow red through the darkest shades in the universe, and has a deathfist.

[frustratedsquirrel]

Jimmy, I see no reason why Gold Lightan was not supposed to be in the game. :/ Gold Lightan is a very iconic tatsunoko character and is considered one of the milestones of anime. There's a very good reason they chose to include him in the game.

I don't see why you hate the giants so much. They're much more interesting than a large portion of the cast. I would rather watch a PTX match than a Ryu/Chun Li team anyday.

Also, lol @ this match. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvI3Ma2VeU&feature=related

[wolfox_okamicha]

Heck, I was wondering why people don't block the projectiles especially when they're in the neutral stance.

[thegame4ever]

Jimmy, I see no reason why Gold Lightan was not supposed to be in the game. :/ Gold Lightan is a very iconic tatsunoko character and is considered one of the milestones of anime. There's a very good reason they chose to include him in the game.

I don't see why you hate the giants so much. They're much more interesting than a large portion of the cast. I would rather watch a PTX match than a Ryu/Chun Li team anyday.

Also, lol @ this match. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvI3Ma2VeU&feature=related

I wonder how long it took the creator of Gold Lightan to come up with the design of that robot, some people say it was longer than all the robots of all Gundam combined, but some say he doodled it while shitting bricks in cube-shape, which was an inspiration to him. What a shitty 'iconic' character.

[frustratedsquirrel]

I wonder how long it took the creator of Gold Lightan to come up with the design of that robot, some people say it was longer than all the robots of all Gundam combined, but some say he doodled it while shitting bricks in cube-shape, which was an inspiration to him. What a shitty 'iconic' character.

Gold Lightan was a pioneer in the Giant Robot genre. You probably wouldn't have all your Gundams if it weren't for Lightan.

[thegame4ever]

Gold Lightan was a pioneer in the Giant Robot genre. You probably wouldn't have all your Gundams if it weren't for Lightan.

Get your facts right.

Mobile Suit Gundam 0079: Original run April 7, 1979 – January 26, 1980

Gold Shitan: Original run 1 March 1981 – 18 February 1982

[wolfox_okamicha]

Actually, Lightan was a merchandise driven mecha. It was so popular because of its "transforming" look and the fact that it sold so many transforming toys.

However, him >>>> other mechas for one thing - HE DOESNT USE LAZERS OR ROCKETS. Pulling your enemy's core while ignoring damage is the best thing a mecha has done.

[frustratedsquirrel]

whoops, my bad.
I could have sworn I'd read he was before MSG >.<

I do remember hearing something about lightan being important for something animation-related though. Either way, he is still fairly iconic for Tatsunoko.

[GHNeko]

Ill be waiting for your Lightan and PTX videos, F. Sq.

[changuillo]

I do remember hearing something about lightan being important for something animation-related though. Either way, he is still fairly iconic for Tatsunoko.


and dont forget he has posibly one of the cooles voices (for a mecha...not that they talk that often) in the whole anime world

[changuillo]

I do remember hearing something about lightan being important for something animation-related though. Either way, he is still fairly iconic for Tatsunoko.


and dont forget he has posibly one of the coolest voices (for a mecha...not that they talk that often) in the whole anime world

[frustratedsquirrel]

Ill be waiting for your Lightan and PTX videos, F. Sq.

Don't count on it. I need to figure out a way to record first, and my friend isn't exactly show-worthy competition.

But once I do get a good recorder of some kind, I'll post a tutorial and stuff, just to help people get over the fear of playing such an awkward character.

Oh yeah, and: OOOOOOOOOAAAAAHHH....GOOOOOOLD KIIIIIICK!

[G.O.T]

Fuck a Lightan. Should have put Ultra 7 in this mother 4 ya or Maybe...

Isamu fucking Dyson for TvC2. Better than any pilot from anything you can think of. Macross Plus for the win.

[amadocious]

is Macross tatsunoko? but anyway i dont care for the giants. sure it makes the gameplay different but its not in a really good way. they are just huge and people with projectile supers will just do them when a wiffed move is done by either giant.

[G.O.T]

yup it is.

[frustratedsquirrel]

One thing that nobody is really doing much of when playing PTX is firing both guns in the same animation. If you find yourself carrying two machine guns, he can actually fire down and straight ahead at the same time by inputting 236A and then quickly 214B. This limits your opponent's movement a lot, and if you know you're going to hit, you can always just fire both guns at the same spot.

When combined with the unblockable rockets, it becomes even better. Use the machine guns to clear a path of projectiles and pin the opponent down, then fire the rocket and baroque. The rocket takes on the extra damage of the baroque, and since it's unblockable it makes for a threatening projectile. And since you just baroqued, you can even start preparing a chainsaw and stuff. If you have 3 meter, it's even more damage because his rocket combos into the level 3 super.

[GHNeko]

One thing that nobody is really doing much of when playing PTX is firing both guns in the same animation. If you find yourself carrying two machine guns, he can actually fire down and straight ahead at the same time by inputting 236A and then quickly 214B. This limits your opponent's movement a lot, and if you know you're going to hit, you can always just fire both guns at the same spot.

When combined with the unblockable rockets, it becomes even better. Use the machine guns to clear a path of projectiles and pin the opponent down, then fire the rocket and baroque. The rocket takes on the extra damage of the baroque, and since it's unblockable it makes for a threatening projectile. And since you just baroqued, you can even start preparing a chainsaw and stuff. If you have 3 meter, it's even more damage because his rocket combos into the level 3 super.

Why is this info not in the PTX forums?

[frustratedsquirrel]

It is...it was all posted early on in the main PTX thread. Not by me, but by someone else.

[wolfox_okamicha]

Macross 1 is owned by Tatsunoko. However, some copyright mumbo-jumbo is being brought up for the sequels.

[Stark]

I was under the impression that Tatsunoko merely had producer credit for Macross 1 and its movie, and had no claim to actual ownership.

[wolfox_okamicha]

^Hence why there's a copyright mumbo-jumbo with the companies.

[thegame4ever]

Some lightan fanboy neg-repped me cause I insult lightan's name. I insult his name again, gold shittan. You know who you are.

[Keits]

The giants are super fucking cool. Kudos to the TvC team for having the guts to try a pair of gimmick characters, AND for taking the time to make sure they are not overly powerful. Variety is the spice of life, and the giants ARE variety. Sorry to you if they are boring for you to fight or watch, but I have a great time playing as them.

[xS A M U R A Ix]

So I had some time to play Lightan tonight in real matches vs good players tonight, gotta say, he's fun as hell. For casshern, I just jumped around to dodge the dog and if I saw him call friender, I'd punish with air GOLD FINGAAAAA CRASHHHHHUUUUU.

Mix up stuff like 2AAA 5B command grab or 5B 2B since 2B has the same animation almost as the grab. 3C into kick super is satisfying as fuck. Only annoying thing was fighting cassherns drill kick but I could get around that and as long as I kept him in the corner, it wasn't a big deal.

Also alex was pretty easy to beat. Just zone the hell out of him, he couldn't do a whole lot. Tekkaman is the only one I think I'd be scared to fight.

Oh and vs Saki I tried to punish gun loads with full screen gold finger crash, and once I got in on her, just stick to her like hot glue.

[XSilvenX]

Some lightan fanboy neg-repped me cause I insult lightan's name. I insult his name again, gold shittan. You know who you are.

Yah repping is such a stupid and useless feature. Not even sure why vb forums have it. The fact that the coward is anonymous makes it even more annoying because they can pretty much rep you for no good reason if they feel like it.

[frustratedsquirrel]

Some lightan fanboy neg-repped me cause I insult lightan's name. I insult his name again, gold shittan. You know who you are.

Just saying now, that wasn't me. TBH I am not that fond of Lightan. Not as a character at least. I like playing him in this game, but not as much as PTX.

I agree with Keits. I love unusual characters that have to be played differently and I love the giants. But most specifically PTX. <3 I don't know what makes him so fun. I think it's the guns. Too bad he has those random elements, but if he could choose what weapons he got, nobody would use anything but missiles.

[GHNeko]

...but if he could choose what weapons he got, nobody would use anything but missiles.

And that's why they're random.

[xS A M U R A Ix]

Lightan has wayyyy more style than PTX. I mean, one of his supers, he fucking throws you down and steps on you.

Do you understand the severity of that super? A GIANT ROBOT IS STEPPING ON YOU.

Lightan is the shit. Until they learn to tech your command grab 100% of the time, then he fails horribly to blocking. Luckily no one around here can tech it even like 20% of the time, haha.

[wolfox_okamicha]

O.o it can't be. I think the only ones who can neg and pos are premium users.

I like Lightan because he screams his attack name whenever he attacks. That makes him a lot better and original than a ton of those mechas (aside from the fact that he uses his arms and legs for fighting, instead of using weapons).

If only he has Gold Shoryuken in-game...

[frustratedsquirrel]

Eh. I think Lightan's command grab is much harder for a human to tech since it has to be mashed, and he does it pretty quickly. It's nothing like PTX's shitty grab which is utterly...UTTERLY worthless.

[CFAY]

i feel like just getting up and leaving my game when someone use one of the giants more than once.

[xS A M U R A Ix]

I dunno why but PTX has like an hour to tech Lightan's throw.

Also something useless of note, when you pick Silver Lightan, all his move names change. (ie: SILVAA FINGAAAA CRASHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUU)

[GHNeko]

I dunno why but PTX has like an hour to tech Lightan's throw.

Also something useless of note, when you pick Silver Lightan, all his move names change. (ie: SILVAA FINGAAAA CRASHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUU)

That's awesome.

How can you not love that.

[frustratedsquirrel]

I'm very annoyed with all this bullshit that the giants have to put up with. Karas rapes lightan now thanks to chain > infinite, which for some bizzare reason doesn't damage scale and kills him really quickly. PTX just got a new counter in Yatterman, and characters like Batsu, Megaman and Ryu can juggle him after their level 3 supers land.

I mean, this is really just unfair. And the dumb thing is that this is a console game on the Wii, which means that it will NEVER get a patch or any kind of balance update.

but anway...PTX can still be used against certain key characters. He may be able to combat Lightan better than PTX (not sure if the infinite works on him) and also both giants can still be used effectively against Chun-li.

[jimmy1200]

come on squirrel, just give up. giants are gonna get raped for free, period. this game is just two months old, and shit is already to serious for them, and getting real serious for people with this supposed karas problem. play them though if you want. be a giant aficionado, but i think their future of competing is shit, unless we just need more giant players to find giant nastys, and even then, ill still happily call them trash. :)

[frustratedsquirrel]

If it weren't for these counter characters, the giants could definately compete. Just take a look at Keit's Lightan. That thing is a beast. PTX is deeper than you think, too. There are still so many things that people aren't doing to play the giants effectively.

It is such a shame, because if it weren't for these stupid juggle inifinites, Lightan and PTX would be the answers to Karas and Chun Li.

[wolfox_okamicha]

If they removed the command throw vulnerability of the giants, they'd be better.

[frustratedsquirrel]

Yes. They would.

but unfortunately I doubt that's going to happen. And my usual pessimistic thinking leads me to believe that they are going to be nerfed even further in TvC2 when it comes out, because game developers are sometimes ignorant about stuff like that.

[xS A M U R A Ix]

If giants didn't get hit by command throws and attacks like chains and stuff, they'd be really scary. I might actually main Gold Lightan, lol.

[GHNeko]

but unfortunately I doubt that's going to happen. And my usual pessimistic thinking leads me to believe that they are going to be nerfed even further in TvC2 when it comes out, because game developers are sometimes ignorant about stuff like that.

Well, maybe not. It's capcom. They're not the best, but at least...I think..they put some consideration into rebalancing when it comes to their fighters.

[frustratedsquirrel]

...or they'll listen to what all the Wii casual gamers say.

"Urr, the giants are so unfair. I can't knock them over. U made them too strong!"

"Oh shit, I thought we'd balanced the giants by making half the cast be able to beat them easily? Obviously not. Let's make them unable to megacrash and baroque in TvC2!"

[TAYZER]

I have to say that they dont belong and they should not, be but I will say that they give you options on if you want a team or not

[frustratedsquirrel]

pff, of course they belong...

Anyway, Ptx doesn't struggle as much vs Karas as I thought. Turns out you can pushblock his rope (which doesn't have much range) and retalliate with an A version chainsaw. Getting hit by the rope is still bad news, but if you're careful, he can be punished for it.

I still don't know if the infinite works on PTX like it does on Lightan.

[echeesekid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsgvfUVe4IE

PTX IS UNSTOPPABLE WHEN HE IS IN CUTSCENE MODE

[GHNeko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsgvfUVe4IE

PTX IS UNSTOPPABLE WHEN HE IS IN CUTSCENE MODE


Best combos I've ever seen. This is way too good.



... <_>

[frustratedsquirrel]

Pff, PTX can do much better than that.

Didn't even do rocket > baroque > wallbounce riot tackle > launcher > level 3.

[XSilvenX]

come on squirrel, just give up. giants are gonna get raped for free, period. this game is just two months old, and shit is already to serious for them, and getting real serious for people with this supposed karas problem. play them though if you want. be a giant aficionado, but i think their future of competing is shit, unless we just need more giant players to find giant nastys, and even then, ill still happily call them trash. :)

LOL why am I just now reading this post. Agreed 100% :rofl::rofl:

[frustratedsquirrel]

>:/
Giving up is for quitters.
*GoF is such a good game...