Rose compendium, and Q&A

[Wingz35]

This was supposed to be a thread with me asking a question, but this seemed too much like spam, sooo let's start up a Q&A threat and see if people know, what you don't know :]
This is also for the n00bs that can't find something in the other threats, and are affraid to make a topic about it, since the risk of getting bashed, and send to google, or the search function.

Don't be shy!

I will try to update this posts, with every question asked, and the best answer presented in this topic ,
I hope my first post on shoryuken will be a post with any worth to it.



Please refrain from questions like "what combo's does rose have?" Give as much info in your question as you are possible, and check if the question isn't already in the first post before asking.


I'll go first.

Q; does she really not have an overhead, except for jumping attacks, or am I just failing at finding it?

A; She has no overhead, except for her jumping attacks.



Q; Can she combo into her soul throw?

A; No, there is no way to combo into her soul throw.



Q; What combo's does rose have?

A; You will most likely to find your answer here: Click (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=174872)



Q; What does her QCB P do?



A; It is does not have reflect in it's name for nothing, it reflects projectiles, her QCB jab Absorbs them, her QCB MP reflects them horizontaly, and her QCB FP sends them back diagonally.



Q; I tried to use this, but it didn't work, how come?

Q; It can be one of multiple things, a normal reflect does not reflect EX fireballs, and an EX reflect does not reflect normal fireballs, or you just had the timing wrong.



Q; Does rose have a crossup?

A; Yes, her j.mk (jumping medium Kick) and J.HP (jumping heavy punch



Q; What is a good wake up reversal option for rose? (IE shoto's Shoryuken on wakeup)

A; EX soul spiral is a good choice, if you have trouble with people grabing you on wakeup, just jab them.

[IceWilly]

is forward HK an overhead? it should be :(

[The Invincible Swordsman]

Nope. She has 0 overheads from what I've just tested. f+HK isn't an overhead.

Question? Can she combo into a Soul Throw?


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

I haven't been able to find a way for it to happen. EX Soul Reflect > Soul Throw looks very possible but it doesn't catch. She just goes right through em.

[IceWilly]

I don't mean to rag on the thread, but the question you just answered has been discussed a good bit in the rose combo's and glitches thread, or the moves thread. this will end up being repetitive because there will be more discussion in the other threads just by default.

and the answer was no, there is no way to combo into a soul throw.

[Roogle]

This version of Soul Throw is much more like the Street Fighter Alpha 2 incarnation than the Street Fighter Alpha 3 incarnation in which it could be used to end juggles.

[D1_]

0 Overheads O_o.

Damn.

How does Rose look like she's gonna shape up on the tier list?

[Wingz35]

Well, the no overheads makes me scared that she's gonna drop damn low once people find out how to defend against her.

No overheads is serious business.

If anyone has any solid information on her activity in the tier list, could they please post this, so I can add this to the first post too :]

(I would post my own opinion, see above, but since I'm new there's too much chance I'm dead wrong ;P )

(editing the first post now)


I don't mean to rag on the thread, but the question you just answered has been discussed a good bit in the rose combo's and glitches thread, or the moves thread. this will end up being repetitive because there will be more discussion in the other threads just by default.

and the answer was no, there is no way to combo into a soul throw.
Well, that's the exact reason why I made this thread, because the answers to some easy questions lie somewhere, in some thread.
Now at this time this isn't a problem yet, but if it gets crowded here, I see those threats getting over 50 pages, and it'll be impossible to find it than, and it's better to have a threat like this they can come to, instead of seeing all those pesky single question threats pop up

[Roogle]

Rose has never had an overhead attack. I do not think this will affect her tier viability.

[Hoeboe2k]

Does she have a cross up?

[InBondWeTrust]

Does she have a cross up?

j.mk

[Tuigi]

well with the focus attacks and dash + throw or focus cancel + throw i don't think not having an overhead is THAT much of a problem

[Super Sonic]

Q; It can be one of multiple things, a normal reflect does not reflect EX fireballs, and an EX reflect does not reflect normal fireballs, or you just had the timing wrong.

OMG, is this true? Some guy on the forum told me otherwise and well sucks if it's this way:arazz:

[Krayzie Bone]

Forgive my newbyness... lol but... what's an overhead?

[Cozby]

Is there a way to escape her Ultra aside from jumping? It seems like Gief is screwed for any mistake...

[fire chocobo]

Forgive my newbyness... lol but... what's an overhead?

No worries. An overhead is an attack that cannot be blocked while crouching. An example is Ryu's :r: + :mp:. Since Rose has no overhead attacks, it means ppl can just block all her ground pokes with downback.

It's nice to have an overhead attack because then your opponent has to guess whether to block low, block high, or tech (break) a throw. Without an overhead attack they only have to guess between block low and tech a throw.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

Is there a way to escape her Ultra aside from jumping? It seems like Gief is screwed for any mistake...

Block.

[Cozby]

XD Wow, its blockable... jesus. Why the hell did I think it was unblockable?
<---dumbass

[Elements]

XD Wow, its blockable... jesus. Why the hell did I think it was unblockable?
<---dumbass

I believe Vega and Giefs are the only unblockable ultras. If not who else?

[catbond]

I believe Vega and Giefs are the only unblockable ultras. If not who else?

El Fuerte!

[xero15]

you can block vegas ultra

[Cozby]

Gief's and Akuma's and Fuerte's are throws, so you cant block those. I thought Rose's was a throw too. But nevertheless... TENTACLE RAPE!

[Elements]

Oh my apologies I was watching the GS tourny today so all the shotos were just rushing down. So the only vega player got every ultra off.

[xero15]

:lol: i can see how that would be misleading

[Mechanica]

Can you only reflect single-hitting, mid (as opposed to low/high like sagat) projectiles? I can't reflect Akuma's 3 hit, or either of Sagat's fireballs.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

Can you only reflect single-hitting, mid (as opposed to low/high like sagat) projectiles? I can't reflect Akuma's 3 hit, or either of Sagat's fireballs.

Yes, you can reflect them all. Your timing must be off. Akuma's red fireball can be reflected with normal version.

Anything EX has to be use EX reflect.

[_Riot]

I can't seem to get the motion to Ultra done 100%. I always EX soul throw instead... Any tips?

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

I can't seem to get the motion to Ultra done 100%. I always EX soul throw instead... Any tips?

You kind of have to do the full fireball motion for supers/ultras, otherwise you get DPs.

Or maybe you're just not tapping 3 buttons at the same time.

[dhamwicked]

I've been playing a decent amount of ranked Rose with a relative amount of success since release. What I'm finding frustrating at higher levels of play is that Rose doesn't seem to have a good reversal option for 'waking up' (move to perform while getting up after being knocked down -ex: dragon punch).

Without this - I'm at the mercy of people's tick-throw or 2-in-1 attempts without any real way to scare them off (they just keep pressing the advantage because I can't threaten them with a reversal on wake-up).

Other than tech-cancelling their throw attempts - does anybody know of any good reversal options for Rose?

[The Invincible Swordsman]

EX Soul Spiral.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

Excuse me while I continue to mourn the loss of the ability to combo into a Soul Throw.

[rhymeswithaddy]

I've had some success ex soul throwing crossup attempts.

[Aumni]

Timed right a Medium reflect can counter certain wakeups, but for safety EX spiral is very nice.

[Wingz35]

Updating first post now, thanks for all of your help people :]

[Giiyom]

I've been playing a decent amount of ranked Rose with a relative amount of success since release. What I'm finding frustrating at higher levels of play is that Rose doesn't seem to have a good reversal option for 'waking up' (move to perform while getting up after being knocked down -ex: dragon punch).

Without this - I'm at the mercy of people's tick-throw or 2-in-1 attempts without any real way to scare them off (they just keep pressing the advantage because I can't threaten them with a reversal on wake-up).

Other than tech-cancelling their throw attempts - does anybody know of any good reversal options for Rose?

Yeah EX Soul Spiral is probably your best option.
I rly like Rose btw, my fav character so far. :lovin:

[Luigi-Bo 87]

^ What he said. Also, Ex Soul Throw works better than you would think.

[bokchoy]

I believe Vega and Giefs are the only unblockable ultras. If not who else?

El Fuerte and Akuma

[Krayzie Bone]

Is there a tier spot for Rose? if so, were would she be placed at?

[yflow]

Her jumping MP is a cross up? Are you sure you didn't mean jumping MK? Because I know that one is, but I haven't tried MP. Either way, you should add MK as well.

[The Invincible Swordsman]

Yeah, that must be a typing mistake. MP doesn't cross up at all. It's more of an attack you use in air vs air combat.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

Jumping MK is her only really viable cross up. Although Jumping HP has worked for me a couple of times on accident on a corner cross up.

[Giiyom]

Is there a tier spot for Rose? if so, were would she be placed at?

Tier B.
Don't know if she will stay at this level but it is for now.

[D1_]

Besides Soul Throw, Ultra (Shamwow Shocka), crouching Fierce, and Aura Soul Spark. What are Rose's best AAs?

Would a well spaced f.HK suffice?

Also does Rose have any known glitches? I checked the other thread and didn't find any but just asking here just in case there's any updates.

[purifyweirdsoul]

Tier B.
Don't know if she will stay at this level but it is for now.

edit: note that B is bottom tier.

D1, for whatever cr.fierce or either version of Soul Throw won't handle, I've been using slide under (df+MK) > throw when they land.

[Giiyom]

edit: note that B is bottom tier.

D1, for whatever cr.fierce or either version of Soul Throw won't handle, I've been using slide under (df+MK) > throw when they land.

And what about C, D, E and F? lol.
B is middle Tier.

[HirumaNC]

And what about C, D, E and F? lol.
B is middle Tier.

Depends on which tier system you referring to.
Japan uses S+, S, A, B. So B is bottom in that case.

[Giiyom]

Depends on which tier system you referring to.
Japan uses S+, S, A, B. So B is bottom in that case.

Well I'm not referring to the japanese one. :wgrin:

[HirumaNC]

Well I'm not referring to the japanese one. :wgrin:

=D

Ya letters for Tier is really confusing sometimes. I prefer High, mid, low myself, it is better imo.

I think it is a little bit too early to lock Rose into a Tier yet, but I highly doubt she will shift like C.Viper, we shall see.

Go Go Arcane Fox!

[Chameleonice]

I know it's been said that you can't combo into a Soul Throw, but, knowing that, it really makes me confused as to why you can cancel into the Soul Throw in so many ways. What advantages are there in doing that?

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

I know it's been said that you can't combo into a Soul Throw, but, knowing that, it really makes me confused as to why you can cancel into the Soul Throw in so many ways. What advantages are there in doing that?

Never tried it, but I'm going to say absolutely none.

[Lycanthropy]

I can't help but notice that in the Q&A j.mp is listed as a crossup but yet j.mk also acts as a crossup as well.

Am I missing something here? In fact I actually use j.mk exclusively for crossing up my opponent. Is j.mp better for this purpose?

[purifyweirdsoul]

And what about C, D, E and F? lol.
B is middle Tier.

Then where is this (western) tier list? I don't think there could even be one with the console characters yet.

And besides...I don't think I'd trust anything not Japanese, unless I knew it was agreed upon by top US SF players and not some random opinion.

Lycanthropy, that's a mistake...we pointed it out before but it's still there. It's j.MK and sometimes j.HP works.

[Lycanthropy]

Then where is this (western) tier list? I don't think there could even be one with the console characters yet.

And besides...I don't think I'd trust anything not Japanese, unless I knew it was agreed upon by top US SF players and not some random opinion.

Lycanthropy, that's a mistake...we pointed it out before but it's still there. It's j.MK and sometimes j.HP works.

Thanks, love your avatar by the way - Valkyrie Profile is a wonderful game.

[Giiyom]

Then where is this (western) tier list? I don't think there could even be one with the console characters yet.

And besides...I don't think I'd trust anything not Japanese, unless I knew it was agreed upon by top US SF players and not some random opinion.

Lycanthropy, that's a mistake...we pointed it out before but it's still there. It's j.MK and sometimes j.HP works.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7308/1234582927689dl4.jpg

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7308/1234582927689dl4.jpg

Isn't this just the list from that one magazine?

I really don't think it's a serious one, especially when they have Dan as F tier when he's clearly not.

[Ghostal]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7308/1234582927689dl4.jpg

Never, ever quote this list in a serious discussion.

[Giiyom]

Isn't this just the list from that one magazine?

I really don't think it's a serious one, especially when they have Dan as F tier when he's clearly not.

I think it's the one from Prima guide.

[1DarkChaos]

yep no overhead, at least none that i know of so far

[Windsagio]

Then where is this (western) tier list? I don't think there could even be one with the console characters yet.

And besides...I don't think I'd trust anything not Japanese, unless I knew it was agreed upon by top US SF players and not some random opinion.


Don't wanna totally throw off the thread, but don't fetishize Japan. Their stated tier list is crap :p

[Madden:RobotBMX2K9]

I do think rose is middle tier. she has yo-yo matchups vs the rest of the cast it seems.

[purifyweirdsoul]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7308/1234582927689dl4.jpg

LOLOL yeah, Rose better than Viper...nah dude.

Japan's list might be crap, but they'd still know more about the game than a few guys that work for Prima or ____ magazine or SRK poster ____. It isn't a matter of fetishizing, they've had the game longer and have played it more in arcades since it came out. I'm not one of these anime fans that argues that Japanese players are born better than us or whatever, more like in this case they have a much more concentrated arcade base than we do. I think this will be a game that ends up like CvS where top Americans take down top Japan (Evo this past year).

There was a tournament here in NC last weekend (not gamestop, screw that) and I got 5th out of 32 or so people with Rose. I imagine that I did as well as I did because nobody had really fought her before, though.

edit: not having an overhead is fine. What she needs is like...better frames on drills, better ultra, maybe slight damage increase.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

All I want is a faster recovering spark, everything else is koo.

[Wingz35]

Changed the crossup answer, sorry about the mistake, anything else that should be added?

I don't know the answer to the AA question myself, I usually just stick to soul throwing so...

What is her movement on the tier list, as I'm understanding it right now she's mid tier, but is she moving up, or down atm?

[Luigi-Bo 87]

I've never been one to know/care much about tier lists, but I can see her being a solid mid who can be a rape machine in the right hands.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

Yeah, she'll probably be a solid mid, maybe upper mid.

I don't think she'll be moving around though because she is very basic in this game. It's either she got the tools or she doesn't. I think if she moves around, it'll be because of learning matchups better and won't be because some crazy combos or mixups are discovered with her.

I hope I'm wrong and there are some new things discovered with her... But I myself have tried almost everything. I think we all know everything she can do now.... So it's just a matter of how you play the game and use the FA system.