Can you play Viper on Pad?

[Nilo]

HI guys, just a simple question actually. I have heard from a friend that Viper is a 100% stick character, is this true? Is it possible to play her on a top lvl. with a Pad?

Just want to hear your individual thought concerning this.

Thanks!

[Refraxion]

I play Viper on the Pad, waiting on my joystick. But yeah I have a few problems playing her (PS3 pad). I cant wait till I get the joystick in to try it out again.

[vapulus]

I would highly suggest you don't, unless you're just planning on playing her with your friends and casually.

If you're actually trying to win and be competitive, there are far too many things to manage with viper to try her with a pad on a decent level.

Hell, even feints and sjc's are running me ragged on my high-end custom stick.

Too many buttons, too much execution. Don't play viper on a pad unless you have a few extra fingers... ...FREAK.

[Tsak]

haha
yeah its rough
get a stick for this chick
i am

[Yuna]

I play most games on a six-button Saturn-style pad. I'll be doing the same for Viper in Street Fighter IV. I can do high-jump cancels on the 360 pad, so the FightPad should be a piece of cake.

[vapulus]

I play most games on a six-button Saturn-style pad. I'll be doing the same for Viper in Street Fighter IV. I can do high-jump cancels on the 360 pad, so the FightPad should be a piece of cake.

How in the flaming hell are you going to do feints?

[DevilJin 01]

MP feints IMO wouldn't be terrible on a pad. HP TK Feint after a c.HP may be tough though. It's like doing an FRC in Guilty Gear. That's how small the input is to feint after c.HP, HP TK. You only need 2 punch buttons to do feints and on a Sega Saturn pad that should be easy enough with practice.

A Sanwa stick with Sanwa buttons would be especially helpful for Viper's feints and to ensure that you hit all 3 buttons at once for an Ultra. On anything other than Sanwa buttons I seem to have problems getting the game to realize I'm doing an Ultra instead of an EX move. Your 3P inputs have to be perfect or you get EX move instead. :sad:

[k4polo]

I currently main Viper and I am on a pad. I am use to a pad though and suck on joystick.

Saying that, I feel that her execution is best on a stick which I don't use a stick.
Its just that you can press Down forward on a stick much faster than your thumb can on a pad. Making SJC much Easier.

But on a pad, it is possible especially for me who played on a pad for at least 12 years. Joystick is the way to go though. I need to learn joystick someday.

TK Feints can be done with a pad. I will assume TK feint are cancels though. It helps me to make use of the L1 button(all 3 punches) on ps3 controller to do TK cancel. So doing any TK and canceling the move with the all 3 punches button can help for pad users as that allows more time to do the other part of the combo.

It's more of a time saver if that helps pad users.
But pad users have to be quite dexterous on the fingers to do Viper's advance combos. I feel as though I have to try quite hard to nail them while probably on a joystick it is easier.

So the answer to the question is yes but it requires fast fingers.

[kenuran]

I had to use the 360 pad for the first time ever at the (poorly organized) gamecrazy tourney yesterday with no practice...

Horrible feel.

360 pad is gayer than two dicks rubbing together

[*Onslaught*]

Feints are pretty easy on a pad if you have PPP mapped to a button. Do whichever move and press the button and it'll feint. Takes a lot of dexterity.

[k4polo]

yea if you can do viper's advance combo on a consistent basis on a 360's d-pad, I give you a cookie XD.

[Yuna]

How in the flaming hell are you going to do feints?

Have you seen a six-button pad? Here's the layout I'll be using.

LP MP HP
LK MK HK



It's really not that different from a stick in terms of button placement, so I think the answer to your question would be another question: How in the flaming hell does a stick user do feints?

[Widget]

Have you seen a six-button pad? Here's the layout I'll be using.

LP MP HP
LK MK HK



It's really not that different from a stick in terms of button placement, so I think the answer to your question would be another question: How in the flaming hell does a stick user do feints?

Are you playing with three fingers on the pad buttons or just a thumb? Because the best way I've found to do a feint on my stick is to essentially piano LP,MP+HP or HP,LP+MP.

[CrimsonNightWolf]

Since my stick's frame is the only thing done I've been using the 360 controller, if that's what u mean by pad. I use the stick rather that the d-pad i feel it gives me better control. although i can't get the hang of the jump cancels.

[AQUA-PURA]

I'm trying to use her as My main... Using a 360 pad And I'm doing better with Sakura than Viper to be honest.
If you wanna play competitively, Use someone else, Viper was made for sticks.

[bmckay]

I was able to do most of her work with a pad, actually. I made it through all of her Normal Trials with the pad before I got my stick. I'm still going through with the stick and can't completely pass Normal Mode.

I want muscle memory.

[Slychivas90]

i use the reg ps3 dualshock for viper. not bad although i do feel that the ojystick would be a better choice. but that goes for all characters in sfIV.

[hold dat]

I can make lasagna on a ps2/ps3 pad

:looney::looney:

pad scrub out....

[The Invincible Swordsman]

Guys so overrate sticks. You act like playing with a control pad is like playing with your feet. WTH, just map the friggin control pad buttons! I've got a SFIV control pad and a normal XBox controller and I can do feints, tigerknee motions, and FADCs with pretty good regularity and I use my thumb for the XYAB buttons.

It just takes some practice, that's all.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

My XBOX control pad mapping = X=mp, y=fp, A=mk, B=rh, LB=jab, LT=wk, RB=PPP, RT=KKK. The only thing I can't do on the spot with this setting is throw reverse/tech throw.

SFIV control pad setting = X=jab, Y=MP, RB=FP, A=wk, B=mk, RT=RH, LB=KKK, LT=PPP. I don't really have a problem doing anything with this pad.

[vapulus]

Have you seen a six-button pad? Here's the layout I'll be using.

LP MP HP
LK MK HK



It's really not that different from a stick in terms of button placement, so I think the answer to your question would be another question: How in the flaming hell does a stick user do feints?

Do you lay the pad down on a surface and play with 3 fingers from your right hand on the face? That's the only way I see that working. That terrifies me.

I'm well aware of a 6-button pad. I just don't know how people play pads and do things like piano or multiple button presses on the face buttons.

[Tonren]

Really dude, it's just preference.

Most people hold a 360 pad with their index finger on FP, thumb over LP/MP. So to do a feint, you hit with index finger, then thumb.

Most people on a stick hold their index finger over LP, middle over MP, ring over HP. So to do a feint, you hit with ring, then index+middle.

Some people find one easier, some find the other. Most of the motions are like that.

[Yuna]

Are you playing with three fingers on the pad buttons

Yes. That's how I play any fighting game on a pad.

[Nilo]

Really dude, it's just preference.

Most people hold a 360 pad with their index finger on FP, thumb over LP/MP. So to do a feint, you hit with index finger, then thumb.

Most people on a stick hold their index finger over LP, middle over MP, ring over HP. So to do a feint, you hit with ring, then index+middle.

Some people find one easier, some find the other. Most of the motions are like that.

Yeah i guess thats right, I'm gonna go hardcore on Viper, this summer is gonna be SFIV for all the money!

Think ill "stick" to the "pad".... wow, that was so not funny!

Well thanks guys! Appreciate your opinion! :D

[AgentOtaku]

In response to the OP, Sure can! I play Viper on my Saturn Pad from time to time when I wanna practice.
Sure I will main a stick due to reflexes and such, but she's perfectly playable with a good pad.

[Forte]

lol, main a stick. But srsly not unless you're some kind of 7 fingered beastman

[Yuna]

Do you lay the pad down on a surface and play with 3 fingers from your right hand on the face? That's the only way I see that working. That terrifies me.

I'm well aware of a 6-button pad. I just don't know how people play pads and do things like piano or multiple button presses on the face buttons.

My left hand holds the pad like any other pad. My right hand has the thumb on the bottom for stability, then three fingers on the face buttons. It's really not that hard or particularly unusual for someone to play on a pad. It's just the playstyle that I prefer.

[drdanger]

After doing a couple of her challenges on a dualshock pad, my thumb is physically fatigued. It doesn't move as quickly as it did before I started the challenges. I guess it's quitting time :sad:

[Chameleonice]

I've always used the d-pad for newer fighting games on Dreamcast, PS2, and now 360. I honestly could never get used to using a stick and actually screw up more often than not when I try to. So, maybe being so used to d-pads makes my brain for controls a little bit different than most fighting game fans.
That being said, I find myself having to be a lot more careful with my control in Viper than other characters when using the pad. I basically have to practice and get back into the 'feel' of her whenever I start up the game, but after that it's the same as playing anyone else. Fients aren't a problem thanks to being able to map the buttons and have PPP and KKK assigned.

[DevilJin 01]

After doing a couple of her challenges on a dualshock pad, my thumb is physically fatigued. It doesn't move as quickly as it did before I started the challenges. I guess it's quitting time :sad:

Get money and get a stick. Then you'll be in it to win it. I'm still waiting for my TE sticks. :lol:

[Slychivas90]

just ordered a fightpad....better than the d=pad i'm assuming.

[DevilJin 01]

Well I hear the buttons on the fight pad are much better than 360 buttons but I'm hearing wishy washy reviews of the actual dpad. It's easier to maneuver than the 360 pad but it's said the dpad has trouble registering diagonal presses. So trying to jump forward or doing moves that require a double tap of the diagonals are tough.

[Slychivas90]

shit, well now i'm wondering if it is better than the dualshock 3. thats what i use.

[Killey]

Use whatever is most comfortable to you. People who have been using a stick all of their lives will live and die by the stick. People who use a pad most of their lives will prefer that.

Since my local arcade scene is dead all I have is a controller and I can do all of Viper's advance techniques on the pad. You just have to be creative in your button mapping and have a understanding how your thumb rolls on that d-pad to make things work for her.

TK cancels are easy to do on a pad by 2 methods. The first is to use the PPP button on one of your top trigger buttons. You can either quickly press it to cancel or negative trigger it by holding down the the P button you use for it and then pressing hte PPP button.

The other method depends on how you've mapped your buttons out. For me I have my FP and RH as R1 and R2 respectively and Triangle as my SP. So pressing R1 and Triangle together is quite easy to do and cancelling TK by doing that works for me.

[Slychivas90]

anyone know when the tournament style bracket will be brought into the online play like ssf2RE?

[DevilJin 01]

There's no set date yet. It's just "upcoming". Just like HD Remix's patch. :lol:

[BakedNinja]

Pad = NO FP TK Feint...
FAIL

[unconditional]

I think she's definitely easier to play with on an arcade stick. I've never played with joystick before and am used to a pad, but I find it easier to high jump and feint on the joystick.

[k4polo]

Pad = NO FP TK Feint...
FAIL

lol i can do the FP TK feint on my ps3 controller 100% of time.

:qcb: :hp: :3p:

:3p: is mapped to L1, or i think L on 360, by default on the controller, so it is pretty easy.

I don't see why you said this statement.

[BakedNinja]

lol i can do the FP TK feint on my ps3 controller 100% of time.

:qcb: :hp: :3p:

:3p: is mapped to L1, or i think L on 360, by default on the controller, so it is pretty easy.

I don't see why you said this statement.

I wasn't considering presets :wonder:, kinda like how people have their Blue Cancels set to L1 in guilty gear. I don't really count that..

[Nilo]

In tournaments is it allowed to map 1 button to PPP?

[Honkey#I]

Street Fighter 4 is meant to be played on arcade stick respectively.

It's not impossible to play Viper on pad. I play default ps3 dpad, my L1 is set to 3 punch. I find it easier to feint cancel QCB + P (PPP) QCF X 2 + PPP into ultra.

I know it's scrubby. lol.

[Zona]

before the game was out I was planning to main Viper, then I actually tried playing her on the 360 controller... I play Rose now.

[DevilJin 01]

Yeah if C.Viper wasn't in the game I'd probably use Rose also. I loved her in A2 and she looks fun in this game too. No shadow super is kinda dissapointing but she's got some new stuff here and there that should keep her interesting.

[Azuro]

It's pretty possible to play Viper on a pad, due to the 3P/3K being mapped to the shoulders by default...but let's just say that it's best to go stick with her. >_>

[drdanger]

I don't use macros on my pad and can still do feints. The trick is either using two fingers or jamming your fat thumb on both face punch buttons. But doing ultras is another issue. I have a lot of trouble using L1/L2 since the rest of my hand is focused on keeping my thumb steady on the d-pad.

I usually play square and triangle as mp and hp, x and O as mk and fk, r1 and r2 as lp and lk.

[GameDragonX]

I use a pad for Viper. With the default controls, if you get a fightpad, the L button is 3x punch and the R button is 3x kick. makes it very easy to do feints.

[Slychivas90]

:clown::amazed:
I use a pad for Viper. With the default controls, if you get a fightpad, the L button is 3x punch and the R button is 3x kick. makes it very easy to do feints.

nice, should be receiving it today....if i dont like it , i'll get rid of it.. i'll give my critique come tomorrow.

[Esura]

There is no 100% pure stick character. Thats some ol' bullshit. Any character can be played and mastered by stick or pad. Hell, for me, playing with C.Viper on a pad is a piece of cake.

[saiyanhunter]

I've been playing Viper with a pad from day one. I can't really say if my misses are because of inputs not registering or not, but for the most part I'm happy with it. Ultras are kinda hard to do, though. Using the same hand to do the imputs and then press the 3P button sucks.

I never could get used to holding on with my right thumb to play the pad like a joystick. More power to you for doing so.

[Slychivas90]

anyone looking to get a ps3 fightpad > p.m. me *critique completed *

[rogueyoshi]

if i have to play pad viper, i'm using 3p macro

...seriously

[b_rizzy86]

I play Viper on a pad... managed to complete all of her challenges on it too. I will admit that doing feints not from a FP TK are the most difficult for me though, since I have to use a face button and R1. Mapping 3P to a button helps though, but it isn't necessary...

[spawnedagony]

Playing Viper on pad is difficult, but you can do it. Shes my main and I play with a pad

[drdanger]

After more time with Viper, I'm finding it hard to pull of any decent bnb combos with her. My execution is maybe 50% with ex seismo > hjc > rhk > bk

[Slychivas90]

After more time with Viper, I'm finding it hard to pull of any decent bnb combos with her. My execution is maybe 50% with ex seismo > hjc > rhk > bk

last night was playing got sooo frustrated i wanted to throw my controller at the t.v. whent from 1100 BP to 550...... straight. was losing to ppl that had no true skill fuckers! but then i finally beat some ass hole who tried to play the haoduken game with me and all omy combos were coming out. completely pwnde him.

i won and all the frustration just whent away....never giver up with viper , so much mroe rewarding when you win.
!:annoy:

[The Ultimate]

I want to learn how to play Viper, but using the pad makes it REALLY difficult to play her.

Luckily, my TE stick finally came after being delayed for a while. Once I get my hands on it, it'll be time for me to take Viper a little more seriously.

[Refraxion]

I'm fairing pretty well with viper on a pad the more I play. Starting to gain BP, from 0 to 870 or so! haha.

[Kurimuzon Viper ♥]

I'm wondering if I should learn a different character until I can get a better controller. The 360 pad is fail. D;

[ShinobiBrown]

I'm wondering if I should learn a different character until I can get a better controller. The 360 pad is fail. D;

Cammy is my secondary and "pad" character. If I'm forced to used a pad, I use Cammy. I refuse to use Viper on a pad. It feels gross.

[GameDragonX]

last night was playing got sooo frustrated i wanted to throw my controller at the t.v. whent from 1100 BP to 550...... straight. was losing to ppl that had no true skill fuckers! but then i finally beat some ass hole who tried to play the haoduken game with me and all omy combos were coming out. completely pwnde him.

i won and all the frustration just whent away....never giver up with viper , so much mroe rewarding when you win.
!:annoy:

so what do you think of the fightpad with viper? I personally like it so far. My only screwups are me, not the controllers fault

[Spinning Beat]

I can SJC with viper on PS3 or 360 fightpad by madcatz, I used to play Ibuki in 3s so that came easy =)

I can do seismo/TK feints by pressing Square and R1 simultaneously on the ps3 pad. It's dumb easy on the mad catz fightpad.

[caelitus]

yeah that madcatz fightpad is supposed to be pretty good. it's modeled after the sega saturn controller which was considered the best pad for fighters.

I just picked up the hori fighting stick 3 myself... I'm pretty happy with its performance.

[DevilJin 01]

I hear it's not as good as it's hyped up to be. Diagonals aren't that great and it feels kinda cheap from what I hear.

[MAGUS1234]

I have a fight pad, it's ok when you get used to it..I guess. I can;t imagine using it with viper though, I need to use more diverse sets of sticks because everytime I go to ppl's places to play I just can;t adapt to new sticks :/ It's like when I play on a TE my execution is hot, so my mixup game and arsenal is where I'm used to it, but when I move to other sticks/tv with lag/online, I fuck up BK's fient cancels and my whole game gets nerfed...sigh
Though I did get some impresive wins vs some good norcal Rufus's, a match that was annoying me at first. Barlog was giving me troubles, but I felt like if I had a good stick I would of had most the matches...ugh I need more practice

[drdanger]

I hit training mode for about an hour yesterday doing only sjc, bk's. I can do it maybe 70% of the time using the left analog and maybe 40% using the dpad.

I guess I need to work on my secondary characters until I can find a TE stick.

[DeBo]

If you want to keep your sanity, I recommend playing someone else until you get anything but the default controller.

I started playing the game with C.Viper until I almost destroyed my controller. Even after sanding down the D-pad wall it just isn't accurate enough. Dropped her for Gouken/Balrog until my TE stick came in a few days ago. Even with the stick learning curve(haven't been to an arcade in ages), I've already completed all her trials. Anger isn't an issue if you know that when you mess up, it's because you need to get better... not because the controller is terrible.

[Slychivas90]

so what do you think of the fightpad with viper? I personally like it so far. My only screwups are me, not the controllers fault

after 30+ hours on sf4 with the ps3 DS3 i've realized that the fightpad is a waste of money IMO.

the fightpad does feel cheap. If i had started off with the fightpad then maybe i would think its a decent pad to play sf with. But since i have invested 99% of my time with the DS3, the fight pad feels unusual , bulky and the d-pad feels like a close cousin to the xbox360 d-pad. with that being said, i feel that you shouldn't bother with purchasing the fightpad if you have already gotten used to the DS3, if your going to buy a controller , be patient don't go crazy and spend $300 on the TE and just get the Hori stick (which i hear is pretty good for the price $60.) or just wait untill the mad catz edition fight sticks are available.

[Ash2k4]

One answer hell no l tryed that the first day and l said no way iam going to play viper on pad so l got a joystick instead can bust out about everything with her wel wat l want to do.

[Killey]

after 30+ hours on sf4 with the ps3 DS3 i've realized that the fightpad is a waste of money IMO.

the fightpad does feel cheap. If i had started off with the fightpad then maybe i would think its a decent pad to play sf with. But since i have invested 99% of my time with the DS3, the fight pad feels unusual , bulky and the d-pad feels like a close cousin to the xbox360 d-pad. with that being said, i feel that you shouldn't bother with purchasing the fightpad if you have already gotten used to the DS3, if your going to buy a controller , be patient don't go crazy and spend $300 on the TE and just get the Hori stick (which i hear is pretty good for the price $60.) or just wait untill the mad catz edition fight sticks are available.

2nd on the fight pad being not worth it. I bought the SF4 fight pad from mad catz and the d-pad is fairly similar to the 360 d-pad, which is trash. Executions for supers becomes really cumbersome and lacks precision. You'll end up jumping instead of doing an Ultra/Super. Furthermore, the controller is not reliable as mine broke down in under a week. Ever since then I've switch to the PS3 pad and found my executions have been a lot better than they ever were on the fight pad.

Viper is definitely playable on the pad but it depends on how you accustom yourself to the instrument you use. As I've said before people who are use to the joystick will swear by it.

[GameDragonX]

well, if i owned a ps3 then i wouldnt have bought a fightpad

but i own a 360. and i pretty much had to get a fightpad. but i enjoy it so far. i dont mess anything up unless i just get too antsy and mess it up. im kinda new to SF so i still mess up stuff straight out of n00bness

[BloodStein]

I'm a pad user.

I have 7 fingers :/

I play Viper and do all her intricate combo's and excution. Both on ps3 and 360 O:

[H. Knight]

I use the analog stick on the pad... that makes it like an arcade stick, right?!

Seriously though, I've never used an arcade stick, and I don't see what you would gain, simply because you can use the analog stick on the pad, as well as L1 for PPP.

[caelitus]

the hori stick has L1 and L2 for Px3 and Kx3 so thats a moot point ;p

Hori Fight Stick 3 for PS3 (http://www.hori.jp/us/products/ps3/fighting_stick/index.html)

if you can fape race on the pad then by all means go for it. I tried using the ps3 controller and I felt that it was holding me back, so I got myself a couple sticks and haven't looked back. The stick has so much accuracy and it has a good comfortable feel to it. The analog stick on the pad is too loosey goosey for me I like the crisp feel of the japanese style arcade stick

Keep in mind though that my SF muscle memory is all based around the arcade and not consoles, although I play a pretty decent SF II on the super nintendo pad

[refuselife]

pad is doable, but barely doable.