Fei Long is pretty bad

[Pesch]

I've been using Fei Long for about a week, and I'm becoming more and more convinced that Fei is pretty much low tier. Here's why a summary of why, and I'll explain more below:


Terrible Move List

Flame Kick isn't all that great of anti-air.
Rekka Punches are not safe.
Rekka Punches do very little damage.
Chicken Wing must be used at an unreasonably specific range to be safe.
Chicken Wing is near completely impractical to combo after.
Tenshin comes out so slow that it is almost useless.

Normals are decent, but don't make up for terrible specials.
Low Risk/Reward Payoff
Complicated to Use
Zangief and Sagat Pretty Much Walk over Fei Long


Flame Kick isn't all that great of anti-air.
The flame kick isn't a bad move, but it's not great either. The flame kick works great on people who jump in from too far away, since it can beat those jump ins clean. Unfortunately, Fei Long has no way of actually making his opponent jump in from the kind of range flame kick works at. At closer ranges, flame kick runs into problems. The main problem with it is a combination of two things: its easy for the opponent to trade with it and it does about the same amount of damage as most jump ins used in the game. Put these two together and people fighting Fei Long can jump in for a pretty low risk - high reward situation. If you anti-air them, then they can trade damage and keep the game even. If you mess up the flame kick, you eat a huge chunk of damage from the combo after.

Rekka Punches are not safe.
Rekka Punches can be fairly safe against some characters if you use them from the right range. However, against some characters there is no distance you can land a blocked rekka punch from and not get punished. For example, Ken, Ryu, and Akuma can all land a c.mk after a blocked rekka string no matter what range you use it from or how many punches you use. Its really only a matter of time before people start catching onto what moves can always punish a blocked rekka punch before Rekkas become much more risky than they are now.

Rekka Punches do very little damage.
Rekka Punches do about as much damage as most normal throws in the game, which is pretty bad when you consider that they are unsafe on block and fairly easily beaten by most pokes in the game.

Chicken Wing must be used at an unreasonably specific range to be safe.
The Chicken Wing is a really nice attack when you manage to use it from the range where you get all three hits. It's extremely safe and allows you to put a lot of pressure on your opponent. Unfortunately the range where all three hits land is so specific that if your opponent moves forward, backward, sticks out a move, crouches, stands up, or does pretty much any thing there's a good chance you'll no longer be in the correct spot and only two hits will land. And of course if you only land two hits, chicken wing is about as unsafe afterwards as the Rekka punches. Only your opponent can easily throw you as well.

Chicken Wing is near completely impractical to combo after.
Anyone who has tried to do a combo after landing the three hit chicken wing knows just how hard it is. It's character specific, only a 1 or 2 frame window, and happens at a really odd looking spot. And the best part is that if you mess up, your opponent can usually throw you for free. I'm sure that with practice the best Fei players will be able to get the combo afterwards nearly every time, but its going to take a lot of effort learning the timing for every character in the game.

Tenshin comes out so slow that it is almost useless.
This is pretty self explanitory. Ticking with it kind of works, but is incredibly risky since Fei's opponent can easily just throw him first. It's rare that I actually land a tick into a Tenshin without getting thrown first. The only other use is for punishing slow recovering moves, but the moves that this can be done on are far and few between.

Normals are decent, but don't make up for terrible specials.
Fei has a lot of really nice ground pokes, but again, none of them really do much damage. HP, c.HP, c.MP, are all moves that beat a lot of stuff, but they also push your opponent a good distance away when blocked, which is a really bad thing when you're playing against fireball characters. Also, Fei doesn't really have a very good anti-air normal. Close HP, HK, and f.HK all work as anti-air, but they have the same problem as the flame kick where they tend to trade a lot and do about as much damage as the jump-ins they trade with.

Low Risk/Reward Payoff
Due to the problems mentioned above, most of Fei's specials are fairly high risk moves, but despite do very little damage. It's really hard to get in with Fei, and when you do, he just doesn't do very much damage. Rekka punches and Chicken Wing can be effective for putting pressure on your opponent, but they are both really high risk moves that seem to end with Fei at a disadvantage on average.

Complicated to Use
Fei is insanely complicated to use when compared to most other characters in the game. You need to constantly be aware of the ranges of your Rekka punches, Chicken Wings, and Focus Attack. On top of that, he has really specific timing on a lot of parts of his game play. You may land a Tenshin or Chicken Wing, but it's for naught if you don't land the attack that comes afterwards. The Tenshin is particularly bad about this, since it's so hard to pull off in a match, yet does no damage if you mess up on the follow up, and can even get you thrown instead. That's a giant slap to the face if I ever saw one. Using Fei means a match is as much about getting Fei to do what you want as it is actually fighting your opponent. You can't just jump up and spin the stick to win against scrubs like you can with Zangief.

Zangief and Sagat Pretty Much Walk over Fei Long
A good Zangief can utterly destroy Fei. The Lariats beat pretty much everything that Fei can do on the ground and trades with or beats a lot of Fei's jump ins. All of Fei's specials are even riskier than normal against Zangief since he can so easily just spin the stick while he's blocking and SPD you afterwards. Finally Zangief has a lot of jump-in options that can at worst trade with the Flame Kick for even damage. About all Fei can do in this match is j.MK over and over again.

Sagat is another insane matchup for Fei. Sagat has a ton of options for this matchup. He can throw fireballs and run away all day long. He can jump in and trade with or beat any anti-air Fei has. He can roundhouse, uppercut, or knee through jump-ins. And that's all before Fei even gets in. Once Fei is in, the match is at best even for Fei. The problem is that one throw and you're a full screen away again. One tiger knee and you're a full screen away again. One Tiger Uppercut and you're a full screen away again. You get the point.

[Iwan]

Tenshin isn't useless; It's a highly situational move that's godly when you can connect with it.

Flame kick (spicy wing) isn't a good anti air move?

Rekkas are only "not safe" when you hit on block; that's highly punishable and you should never do it (not saying you do, I'm just stating that in general it shouldn't be done). I thought most people used rekkas to punish missed grabs or whiffs?

I do think he's low tier, but not bottom of low tier or even middle. He has a move set that makes his bad match ups "doable". Not to mention, it's not like tiers in this game are as big a deal as they are in others (smash comes to mind); this game is balanced fairly well.

I will say that Zangief and Blanka are giving me hella problems though -_-

EDIT** also, your points are well though out and explained. I agree on low tier....maybe....it's pretty early though. We'll see what plays out.

[CWheezy]

Rekkas are only "not safe" when you hit on block; that's highly punishable and you should never do it (not saying you do, I'm just stating that in general it shouldn't be done).

So fei's main way to close distance is never, ever ever safe to do, and can only be used if your opponent whiffs something?

They're safe in hd remix and in super turbo, and there was a reason for that

[Iwan]

So fei's main way to close distance is never, ever ever safe to do, and can only be used if your opponent whiffs something?

They're safe in hd remix and in super turbo, and there was a reason for that

Random: is delaying the third hit of rekkax3 viable at all? I think I've only tried it a few times with mixed results, but it baited a grab attempt a few times. It seems better than going for 3 straight on.

[ChromeX]

gamestop still do cash refunds in your area?

[humbag]

I thought the first rekka was pretty much safe.

It is also hit confirmable into the next 2.

[ChromeX]

I thought the first rekka was pretty much safe.



depends on range, you gota rekka from max range for it to be safe.

[MRGAY]

Go home and be a family man,

Translation: You're doing it wrong, try again. He's tough to use, but he's awesome. If you want to use someone with such ease, there is Sagat.

[necroticart]

I agree with pesch after using fei all his moves are extremely punishable and while a talented player may win using him he is definitely in the lower tier and while a nice addition to the game he is still far from awesome

[Cake]

Complicated to Use
Fei is insanely complicated to use when compared to most other characters in the game. You need to constantly be aware of the ranges of your Rekka punches, Chicken Wings, and Focus Attack.


With all characters, don't you have to constantly be aware of the ranges of all your attacks? I don't think that's exclusively a Fei Long problem, though I do see how you think Fei Long as difficult to play (he is for me), but imo, I think he's top 5-ish.

[xS A M U R A Ix]

Fei's hard to use and seems bad for sure until you really have the feel for him, but he can be decent if you play him right. I think he needs some rebalancing though, because he doesn't have the strengths he used to anymore. In HDR, getting in was super hard, but once you were there, winning wasn't such a big challenge. Flame kick was safe for the most part, rekkas if spaced and used with the right strength of buttons were safe, c.HP was awesome and always gave you frames to work with. No c.HP is punishable on hit if not special cancelable I believe. I've definitely been hit after I connected one but fucked up my rekkas. Chicken wing used to anti air so even if they moved around a bit, they'd still get caught with it for a damage opportunity.

The other big change is the damage. It used to be that you only had to get in 2 good hits with fei and you won the match. That meant you had to guess less and take less risks. Now it takes quite a few hits to win a round, fei's damage actually seems waaaaaay less comparably from before. So all this work to get in and you have to keep doing it over and over because you do less damage and usually unsafely at that.

The other big thing is that he puts himself in too many situations where he can get thrown after they block a special. I really hate having to deal with that.

But yeah Fei really isn't that hot, I'll probably just play him as a side character, but main Akuma. I really WANTED to main Fei, but I just don't see him winning at high levels unless they patch him.

[ChromeX]

^^ weak

[Hoonyo]

Flame kick (spicy wing) isn't a good anti air move?

lol i thought i was the only person who called this move spicy wing except i call it the spicy chicken wing.

[KrsJin]

limits you feel are all in your head..ignore them!!

!!!!!!!!

POS REP!!!

Honestly, I see where these impressions of Fei are coming from. But the more crazy I get with him, the better I see him being. Dashing around, overheads non-stop, I really feel the ball is in my court at times with him.

[Hoonyo]

!!!!!!!!

POS REP!!!

Honestly, I see where these impressions of Fei are coming from. But the more crazy I get with him, the better I see him being. Dashing around, overheads non-stop, I really feel the ball is in my court at times with him.

What do you do with this overhead? It seems like I get hit or thrown if I attempt anything afterwards.

[ChromeX]

same, i stood up to the best at the last tourney i entered and rape pretty much everyone up to 3kish battle points without a fight online. bp relative to 2\23\09, last time i played online, im up to 2kish bp with some friends who love to lose my bps for me rofl. this dudes a beast and this thread is stupid, creating walls and the limits shadow ace is talking about. seriously if you dont like fei dont fucking make a forum about it, find a fucking character you like or seriously hit up gamestop and see if theyll give you even 50% of the 60$ you spent on the game.

[KrsJin]

I backdash, do it again, upper. Pretty much my three choices atm.

[ChromeX]

throw is good 2

[Patient_Shadow]

hes not bad, you just dont know how to use him correctly. i may not be using him to his fullest extent, but he is my main character. i destroy zangeif any day, sagat yes i have troubles with from time to time, and also akuma. i figured out how to beat akuma, but sagat is to fast. I still beat him but i have troubles. Anyone want to challenge me?


GT: Patient Shadow

[RushedDown]

hes not bad, you just dont know how to use him correctly. i may not be using him to his fullest extent, but he is my main character. i destroy zangeif any day, sagat yes i have troubles with from time to time, and also akuma. i figured out how to beat akuma, but sagat is to fast. I still beat him but i have troubles. Anyone want to challenge me?


GT: Patient Shadow

if u destroy gief all day with fei u are playing some shitty ass giefs

[MRGAY]

if u destroy gief all day with fei u are playing some shitty ass giefs

Maybe he's just better than them. :rofl:

Srsly guys, like said above, there are no limits, only the ones you impose on yourself. Believe in the heart of the cards. </yugioh> xD

[Patient_Shadow]

Maybe he's just better than them. :rofl:

Srsly guys, like said above, there are no limits, only the ones you impose on yourself. Believe in the heart of the cards. </yugioh> xD

beautifully said

and to rushedDown..... you have my gamertag now, invite me and we can see how good i am.. thanks

[RushedDown]

beautifully said

and to rushedDown..... you have my gamertag now, invite me and we can see how good i am.. thanks

i take it that means u invited me
maybe ill get to it next week and i dont play gief

i hardly ever play online
we got people gettin together playing offline every day here

[ObsidianZ]

His cr.MP has reduced range and cf.HP is slower compared to HDR. Really sucks that his two best pokes were both nerfed.

I used to be really frustrated when I started using Fei Long as my main in HDR. It just took time to learn his nuances. His corner game is his best strength.

I haven't played much SF4 Fei Long, I've been focussing on CViper so far. Eventually I do plan on making him my main again though.

[Vandal_Hearts]

His cross up MK is nuts! Throw that in there and you got a nightmare of a wake up game.

All in all, he's not top, not low, but I'd say middle. He's definitely the most fun character to play in SF, I personally think. Except Honda landing Oichos. That shit is fun too. His CW can be used as a tick throw on a slower player though, so abuse abuse abuse!

[Gimpyfish62]

I've actually been trying to explain this exact same thing to people for the past few days - I'm glad somebody else saw this.

[humbag]

beautifully said

and to rushedDown..... you have my gamertag now, invite me and we can see how good i am.. thanks

Play my gief then.

Gief totally fucking rapes fei.

[mysticnamja]

His cross up MK is nuts! Throw that in there and you got a nightmare of a wake up game.

All in all, he's not top, not low, but I'd say middle. He's definitely the most fun character to play in SF, I personally think. Except Honda landing Oichos. That shit is fun too. His CW can be used as a tick throw on a slower player though, so abuse abuse abuse!

but.. i get srk'd by ryus or ken's ex versions.. while im crossing up..

am i not doing it right? cuz when kens or ryus cross me up on my wake up, then i forget to do the reverse motion of ex flame kick.

or are these guys doing backwards DP motion to compensate for crossing up?

[LiftedResearch]

Play my gief then.

Gief totally fucking rapes fei.

Gief rapes Fei for sure. You're pretty much reduced to c.hp and s.hk against him. Trying to do anything else will likely get you SPD'd. If he had his old s.hk it might be a bit easier, that thing kept Gief out pretty well.

Then again, Gief rapes a lot of the cast pretty easily :sweat:

Blanka is a bitch though. Anyone figured out any good ways to fight him?

[ChromeX]

Play my gief then.



yes please

PS3 Gamertag: on ellesd's shit< should be gettin on it today in the afternoon if your down.


Gief rapes Fei for sure. You're pretty much reduced to c.hp and s.hk against him. Trying to do anything else will likely get you SPD'd. If he had his old s.hk it might be a bit easier, that thing kept Gief out pretty well.

Then again, Gief rapes a lot of the cast pretty easily :sweat:

Blanka is a bitch though. Anyone figured out any good ways to fight him?

flame kick rapes lariat clean for what im assuming but havent checked to be more dmg than cr\st hp. flame kick kick aa and safe rekkas....hes not that hard. just be all squirrely like(quick n safe).

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

yes please

PS3 Gamertag: on ellesd's shit< should be gettin on it today in the afternoon if your down.



flame kick rapes lariat clean for what im assuming but havent checked to be more dmg than cr\st hp. flame kick kick aa and safe rekkas....hes not that hard. just be all squirrely like(quick n safe).

lol? A good geif Will sit there and not jump until he has knocked you down. Once he has done that then he can jump around you all day and fei long cannot do ANYTHING to his cross ups except hope that EX flame kick will at least trade with geif. Sometimes it will win but most of the time it wont. This matchup is completely lopsided against fei long. Standing HP/Crouching hp are really the only pokes Fei can use on the ground. Chicken wing is completely useless in this matchup as Fei can get Spd' right out of the move upon landing. Fei has HORRIBLE risk reward and vs Geif it is even worse. Safe Rekkas dont really work to well as i have tested and would have thought they were. And last but not least it isnt hard at all for geif to get in on fei long. He could practically walk forward and he would eventually get to fei long to put him down. In theory your strategy is good, but in practicality, It sucks

[ChromeX]

ex flame will eat gief and anyone\thing else far as ive seen. "In theory your strategy is good, but in practicality, It sucks." nah sorry man thats you. your thinking to much you wanna push gief or thinkin too much to be defensive. the name of the game in this matchup is do not push into spd's, do not get pushed. seriously neutral jump green hands for free combo, flame kick lariats for free, and aa him. you tell me how he pushes past that. take it slow n easy dont be over aggresive, no really you get the lead you MAKE him come to you then smack him for tryin. im sorry my good man but if you still cant win your doing alot of things wrong.

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

Actually i have NEVER had an instance where flamekick beat lariat for free. Everytime i have tried and tested it, I was beaten out cleanly. The only move of fei's that i have seen beat out flame kick completely was standing/Crouching HP

[ChromeX]

ROFL whaaaat the fuck...he starts lariat and your on the floor you got beat when using a hk flame kick!? what ever man it has NEVER ONCE happend to me. i win EVERYTIME. dude you just need a new character rofl.... (god people PLEASE dont take our word for it. find out for yourself.)>(12 second of training mode)

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

I never tested HK flame kick because that didnt seem practical. However honestly, The rest of your match up stuff doesnt seem like it works either considering i have had much different experiences with matchups then what you have posted. If you had a 360 I would have no problem playing you to prove my point. Your saying that zangief is easy makes just as much sense as them saying that Fei is top tier. Which he obviously isnt. I cannot wait to see your matchup results with humbag because i somehow feel that your going to lose 8 out of 10 games fei vs geif

[ChromeX]

:sweat:.......................................lol



btw you dont know shit about the tier list in this game and very, very few ppl do. i dont pretend to be one of them. its to new and if you dont think the game will evolve and with it the tier list. please do yourself the favor and stop playing fighters now. ill go as far as saying fuck the prima guide tier list to. idk where fei stands in the tier list and honestly this game looks like a counter picking game anyway which makes the tier list wobbly as it is. i mean shit american tourneys are 2 outa 3 so you can always be good enough to win once and if you lose counter pick. what im sayin is even though we know little about the tier list now its gunna get even more convoluted when (hypothetically) sagat is finally called top tier but loses to dhalsim 7-3 and abel 8-2.

[Schoens]

I'm interested to see the results myself, so I hope you post them up no matter which way they go. I'm really hoping that Fei can hold his own against geif with the right strategy, though it sounds like the majority of people here aren't having positive results with that at all.

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

:sweat:.......................................lol



btw you dont know shit about the tier list in this game and very, very few ppl do. i dont pretend to be one of them. its to new and if you dont think the game will evolve and with it the tier list. please do yourself the favor and stop playing fighters now.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before but all you have proven you can do is not really speak properly and look very much like an idiot every time you try to argue your point with anything but actual facts. This game is NOT new. The only thing new about the game is the console characters. This game has been around for sometime now. Every game evolves the longer it is out sure; But who are we to say who is top tier and who isnt top tier especially with no actual results(Console characters only)? Fei long cannot hang with the top tiers of this game AS OF RIGHT NOW. Alot of people feel this way except for you. So either we are all very fucking stupid, Or your extremely smart. Somehow i doubt either of those is very true.

I never said fei long is a bad character, I said I didnt agree with alot of your findings because i have had different experiences. Reading is a very fundamental thing. Try it sometime.


I'm interested to see the results myself, so I hope you post them up no matter which way they go. I'm really hoping that Fei can hold his own against geif with the right strategy, though it sounds like the majority of people here aren't having positive results with that at all.


The match is very lopsided IMO. But maybe there is something else there that we are all missing. I am still messing around with different options as to what fei long should do vs geif. MOst of the match will be fei long using S.HP or C HP from what i have gathered. I have an alright record vs geif but that doesnt make the match up"easy" Just says that played right, Fei can win the match. It is just VERY hard to do

[ChromeX]

really whats it matter if i beat him today....read my strategies and PLEASE tell me what looks bad about it\why ANY LITTLE THING wont work AND WHY! so i can expand my game and understanding then pass it on....although i say this loosely to 2009ers....

with that said....my strat works if you can work it. which really could take longer than today for me to get it right but thats beside the point, i see here and now IT WORKS, with the exception of one move which i wont post till after. riiiight so the new kids want a show Humbag. your down? pm you the info later. if i cant do this today itll be rain checked.(not my ps3)


"Fei long cannot hang with the top tiers of this game AS OF RIGHT NOW. Alot of people feel this way except for you. So either we are all very fucking stupid, Or your extremely smart." hmmmmmm O.o

"I never said fei long is a bad character, I said I didnt agree with alot of your findings because i have had different experiences. Reading is a very fundamental thing. Try it sometime.">lookit the thread your in and what you've been saying just 1 more time please.


the only reason im even bothering to argue you with this is cus IT IS A NEW GAME COMPLETELY different from the arcade release with alot changed and your making all the 2k9s look down on a sick character over half baked opinion and NO EVIDENCE, at least im telling you why i think my shit works your just like "uhhhhhhh nope">"unh unhhhhh">"nooooooooooo". you talk all about "your experiance" but never mentioned what that is actually other than you lk\mk flame kicks dont beat lariat... really if you wanna call me a dipshit, i can take it i sometimes am, but you better fucking prove yourself if you dont want me down your throat. why\how is it a new game? new characters>dif tier list, things like that stupid bug where if you jump in and hit them then the next crouching kick would whiff through them have been fixed since console release, things like fuerte ultra isnt incredibly easy to land on console anymore, things like character seth\boss seth, should i go on? its a new game cus in its console release it is a different game. ppl like st or ae or champion or w\e for a reason, its the version they got used to, in which the same shit wont work even though it is seemingly the same game.

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

really whats it matter if i beat him today....read my strategies and PLEASE tell me what looks bad about it\why ANY LITTLE THING wont work AND WHY! so i can expand my game and understanding then pass it on....although i say this loosely to 2009ers....

with that said....my strat works if you can work it. which really could take longer than today for me to get it right but thats beside the point, i see here and now IT WORKS, with the exception of one move which i wont post till after. riiiight so the new kids want a show Humbag. your down? pm you the info later. if i cant do this today itll be rain checked.(not my ps3)


"Fei long cannot hang with the top tiers of this game AS OF RIGHT NOW. Alot of people feel this way except for you. So either we are all very fucking stupid, Or your extremely smart." hmmmmmm O.o

"I never said fei long is a bad character, I said I didnt agree with alot of your findings because i have had different experiences. Reading is a very fundamental thing. Try it sometime.">lookit the thread your in and what you've been saying just 1 more time please.


the only reason im even bothering to argue you with this is cus IT IS A NEW GAME COMPLETELY different from the arcade release with alot changed and your making all the 2k9s look down on a sick character over half baked opinion and NO EVIDENCE, at least im telling you why i think my shit works your just like "uhhhhhhh nope">"unh unhhhhh">"nooooooooooo". you talk all about "your experiance" but never mentioned what that is actually other than you lk\mk flame kicks dont beat lariat... really if you wanna call me a dipshit, i can take it i sometimes am, but you better fucking prove yourself if you dont want me down your throat. why\how is it a new game? new characters>dif tier list, things like that stupid bug where if you jump in and hit them then the next crouching kick would whiff through them have been fixed since console release, things like fuerte ultra isnt incredibly easy to land on console anymore, things like character seth\boss seth, should i go on? its a new game cus in its console release it is a different game. ppl like st or ae or champion or w\e for a reason, its the version they got used to, in which the same shit wont work even though it is seemingly the same game.

LOL? Who are you exactly? Like seriously? Point out to me where I say that fei long is a bad character. Please point this out to me because i cant find it anywhere. Actually come to think of it, I never said it. I said he couldnt hang with top tiers sure but never once did I say he sucked. If Fei Long didnt have anything at all, I wouldnt even bother playing him.

The game isnt new even if they did fix some of the problems with it. The core of the game is the same and the system isnt different. Just the additions of new characters and them fixing previous problems. The core game itself is still the same as it was in the arcades.

HK flame kick is way more risk then it is worth vs Geif i have noticed in the last Hour i have played against a friend who uses Geif. If i miss, Im practically screwed because it isnt that hard for geif to get in close. Yeah sure, It CAN beat lariat. But the risk way out measures the reward. Which is something that doesnt always make using something that might "always work" worth using. I have been testing Standing hp vs lariat and it does WONDERS. Try it yourself and see what I mean.

I usually dont post simply because I dont like forum debates and arguments but I do know how to play fighting games. Telling me that i am turning away people from playing a sick character because i dont agree with your point of view is silly. People should want to play the character regardless of what they read about the character. General interest in playing the character is enough to get people playing any character in any game. I have played fei long since sf2 the new challengers and no i am no scrub to fighting games. If I was, I wouldn't bother debating with you.

[ChromeX]

"HK flame kick is way more risk then it is worth vs Geif i have noticed in the last Hour i have played against a friend who uses Geif. If i miss, " AHAHAHAHAHA A YOU MISSED A LARIAT WITH A FLAME KICK!? that is hysterical. this is easy as fuck and IT DOES WORK EVERYTIME, if you dont just fail miserably, something about as difficult\consistent as turning the car on. i havent even traded with the lariat yet once....its been that good to me.

"People should want to play the character regardless of what they read about the character. "
what now your an idealist? this is srk it dont work that way.

"I have played fei long since sf2 the new challengers and no i am no scrub to fighting games."
probably your biggest problem, being trapped in your old fei's mindset.

"LOL? Who are you exactly? Like seriously? Point out to me where I say that fei long is a bad character."
LOOK AT WHAT YOUR SAYING, im telling you shit that works and why all you can tell me is fuck you your a stupid idiot who doesnt know shit, you dont have to say the words "fei is bad" to get the point across chief. i mean shit id love to agree with you about the flame kick not working on lariat but i know you either suck or are lying in spite of this debate to make me look bad cus im not (lying about my success rate with the flame kick vs lariat). and ill fuckin go all day with you son keep it comin.

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

I dont care about making you look bad. Your poor english makes you do that. I have nothing to lie about and other people can test my findings. If i am wrong, Then i am wrong but I don't see how This match up is easy for Fei long. I, however am not going to sit and debate with you because that would be silly to do this all day.

All I will say is i will actually TEST your findings yet again. and if I find any problems, I will sit and post every single problem that I have with your findings and why they might be wrong. If I have the time in the next few days, I will record matches of Fei long vs Zangief to show how I fight the match up vs a good Zangief

One final thing, Risk - reward is a very important thing in fighting games is it not?

[ChromeX]

"All I will say is i will actually TEST your findings yet again. and if I find any problems, I will sit and post every single problem that I have with your findings and why they might be wrong."

goes without your saying at this point and probably, at least for now, without want\need for your help. ive said it before i look to push the character forward and hold no gripe about admitting i was wrong.

"One final thing, Risk - reward is a very important thing in fighting games is it not? "
its why you dont throw gief....ever. yes.

"I dont care about making you look bad. Your poor english makes you do that. "
/sigh grammer police online cus thats not old. dude im not trying to get a job with ya, ok.

[DevilJin 01]

Soon you will all know that Fei is as lackluster as steel wool and pick up Viper.

His Ultra looks boss though.

[ChromeX]

so im hearing.....=x but f- that i have too much fun with fei

btw chipp "The core of the game is the same and the system isnt different. Just the additions of new characters and them fixing previous problems. The core game itself is still the same as it was in the arcades."

so your saying none of the revisions of street fighter 2 matters at all? their all the same?

[Stuckey]

^ I'd like to play your Fei with my Gief also. I'm at work right now so possibly sometime later today.

Gamertag: Stuc2K

[KrsJin]

I'm still really optimistic about Fei and his ability to RTFD. That said, I'll admit Gief is a horrible matchup for him too. It's just like ST again. Like LiftedResearch said, you're pretty much reduced to c.FP against Gief (As was in ST) and that's even scarier in 4 lol.

[Josh-TheFunkDOC]

umm fei actually beat gief in ST and hd remix so yeah this would kinda suck for him

[Iwan]

:sweat:.......................................lol



btw you dont know shit about the tier list in this game and very, very few ppl do. i dont pretend to be one of them. its to new and if you dont think the game will evolve and with it the tier list. please do yourself the favor and stop playing fighters now. ill go as far as saying fuck the prima guide tier list to. idk where fei stands in the tier list and honestly this game looks like a counter picking game anyway which makes the tier list wobbly as it is. i mean shit american tourneys are 2 outa 3 so you can always be good enough to win once and if you lose counter pick. what im sayin is even though we know little about the tier list now its gunna get even more convoluted when (hypothetically) sagat is finally called top tier but loses to dhalsim 7-3 and abel 8-2.

This ^

Also, I have experience against a scary f*****g zangief. I'll say: When we first started playing each other he beat me at least 9 times in a row. After that, however, we started trading games a little. The match up is definitely in Zangief's favor (ummm, he rapes pretty much a ton of the cast anyway though...), but it's not impossible like some of you are claiming it to be.

First off, Ex flame kick DOES beat lariott (spelling? lulz), and if it isn't then you aren't timing it right, you need to work on your stick work, or both. Second, rekkas destroy any baited lariott; time it right and as soon as lariott's animation ends you'll easily connect with a rekkax3.

The key against Zangief is to just stay the hell away from him on wake up; unless you feel like trying your luck spacing a FA (which lariott will beat), there's no reason you should ever try punish his wake up. You'll just be asking to get spd'd.

Definitely in favor of Zangief, but if Fei plays super basic and smart (i.e....don't rush in with random rekkas, chicken wings, or eat lariott's), it's a winnable match up.

Still, definitely a bad match up for Fei.

[HadoukenMD]

A great Gief vs a great Fei, Fei loses 19/20 times. Don't kid yourself about this matchup. To beat some of equal skill, you must play Fei flawless as your risk reward against Gief is mad shit. Chicken wing/rekkas are pretty useless and that leads you with one move in your arsenal which if you whiff is GG.

Just my experiences and opinion. I don't expect you guys to believe me and I respect your ppl's opinions. When I see a player pick Gief, I do the wise thing, I pick Blanka.

had

[Vandal_Hearts]

but.. i get srk'd by ryus or ken's ex versions.. while im crossing up..

am i not doing it right? cuz when kens or ryus cross me up on my wake up, then i forget to do the reverse motion of ex flame kick.

or are these guys doing backwards DP motion to compensate for crossing up?

I'd say you're just getting unlucky with the timing of the jump. If they do it early enough and you're still on their facing side when you jump, it'll switch over. The cross up is damn near guaranteed after a throw because they can't Quick Recover, so see if you can land a throw prior to trying the cross up.

[Monshou_no_Nazo]

So Zangief is the new E.Honda?

:[

[Stuckey]

This ^

Also, I have experience against a scary f*****g zangief. I'll say: When we first started playing each other he beat me at least 9 times in a row. After that, however, we started trading games a little. The match up is definitely in Zangief's favor (ummm, he rapes pretty much a ton of the cast anyway though...), but it's not impossible like some of you are claiming it to be.

First off, Ex flame kick DOES beat lariott (spelling? lulz), and if it isn't then you aren't timing it right, you need to work on your stick work, or both. Second, rekkas destroy any baited lariott; time it right and as soon as lariott's animation ends you'll easily connect with a rekkax3.

The key against Zangief is to just stay the hell away from him on wake up; unless you feel like trying your luck spacing a FA (which lariott will beat), there's no reason you should ever try punish his wake up. You'll just be asking to get spd'd.

Definitely in favor of Zangief, but if Fei plays super basic and smart (i.e....don't rush in with random rekkas, chicken wings, or eat lariott's), it's a winnable match up.

Still, definitely a bad match up for Fei.

A lot of this can be said for any other character in the game. "You just have to time it right" will only get you so far. Take into account that a Zangief player of equal skill is gonna time his stuff right too. Staying away from Gief on wakeup and playing "super basic and smart" is how you should be approaching Gief with any character, including Sagat.

I'd really like to play some of y'all because i'm wanting to be proven wrong here. I'd like to see what Fei has. But when Gief can A) Lariat him out of his ultra B) Lariat him out of any other special move except EX flame kick C) EX green hand any and everything Fei has and D) Take a chicken wing kick right on the chin, blocked or hit and STILL get a free SPD (if for some reason he didn't lariat the attempt in the first place) it's just too steep of a hill for him to climb i'm thinking. With 2 equal skill players anyway.

Not writing it off as impossible. Just as of right now, I can't see it.

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

A lot of this can be said for any other character in the game. "You just have to time it right" will only get you so far. Take into account that a Zangief player of equal skill is gonna time his stuff right too. Staying away from Gief on wakeup and playing "super basic and smart" is how you should be approaching Gief with any character, including Sagat.

I'd really like to play some of y'all because i'm wanting to be proven wrong here. I'd like to see what Fei has. But when Gief can A) Lariat him out of his ultra B) Lariat him out of any other special move except EX flame kick C) EX green hand any and everything Fei has and D) Take a chicken wing kick right on the chin, blocked or hit and STILL get a free SPD (if for some reason he didn't lariat the attempt in the first place) it's just too steep of a hill for him to climb i'm thinking. With 2 equal skill players anyway.

Not writing it off as impossible. Just as of right now, I can't see it.

This^

Honestly, I couldn't have said it better than this right here.

[ChromeX]

at this point im so curious i wanna be proven wrong, i want several of you to test this. GIEF > LARIAT > FEI > ANYWHERE IN STARTING RANGE HK FLAMEKICK(not even ex). your getting beat\trading!? wtf am i doing thats so fucking "right" if so? idk but prove me wrong and imma look into it hard. as far as ultraing lariat....its in my guide fei just has to miss the first hit and hit him with the second, instead of hitting gief with first and knocking him outa lariat with time to block the second hit, the money shot.

[Stuckey]

Now I acknowledged ex flame kick beats some things out. But look at Gief's stamina. How many ex flame kicks does it take to put Gief down? How many of them would you get on average considering they cost meter? How much meter do you think you'll have on a man you can't get in on WITHOUT ex flame kick?

Go ahead and send me a friend request. I'll be on PSN tonight. I honestly hope to be proven wrong. I like Fei in super turbo and would like to see what an experienced Fei can do in IV.

[ChromeX]

Use hk stop using ex

[humbag]

Gief doesnt need to do anything. Fei has to take so many risks to be able to get solid damage.

If gief gets a life lead he doesnt need to do anything since everything of his will beat or trade in his favor against a fei trying to rush into him.

[ChromeX]

fei shouldnt ever be rushing gief lol. ^^ i can say the exact same for fei... get lead stay away dont do much. lol.

[humbag]

However in that regard gief has many more options for getting in against Fei and when he does the damage output is many times greater than that of Fei.

[xS A M U R A Ix]

All Fei mains also need to main akuma. It's like......mandatory for fighting geif, lol.

[ChromeX]

However in that regard gief has many more options for getting in against Fei and when he does the damage output is many times greater than that of Fei.

"many more"? read my vs gief on my guide then tell me what hes got... cus imo its 1 option. the ex green hand. but why dont you tell me, what are his "so many"?

btw i dont have 360 and humbag dont got a ps3, not to mention the one i have i borrow when i can for practice...lol, so anyone who wants to see what would happen... short of showing up at his place with a ps or mine with a xbox, we're shit outa luck.

[xS A M U R A Ix]

"many more"? read my vs gief on my guide then tell me what hes got... cus imo its 1 option. the ex green hand. but why dont you tell me, what are his "so many"?

btw i dont have 360 and humbag dont got a ps3, not to mention the one i have i borrow when i can for practice...lol, so anyone who wants to see what would happen... short of showing up at his place with a ps or mine with a xbox, we're shit outa luck.

Why are you the ONLY person who says that Fei can fight geif better than Geif can fight Fei? It's been the case in EVERY fighting game, when a character requires being in close to do damage and they have to fight a throw character with high stamina, it's almost always a bad matchup.

Questions though, if you HK chicken wing, can you jump before he can SPD you or is it free? Same goes for LP rekkas, can you jump out?

The way I see winning this is just jumping straight up when he does for throws and then coming down with j.RH into combo. You could still eat a lariat if you guess wrong though.

[keflex]

you should just challenge one of the players in the gief forum -- if you win, that would prove that fei handles him just fine.

Right now it's alot of theorycraft on how fei *could* handle gief, when it goes contrary to quite a few opinions here.

[deadfrog]

Yeah? They say I'm pretty bad too. :cool:

*revs imaginary motorcycle*

[KrsJin]

'You gotta be bad jack, if you bad, they don't mess with you.'

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

Why are you the ONLY person who says that Fei can fight geif better than Geif can fight Fei? It's been the case in EVERY fighting game, when a character requires being in close to do damage and they have to fight a throw character with high stamina, it's almost always a bad matchup.

Questions though, if you HK chicken wing, can you jump before he can SPD you or is it free? Same goes for LP rekkas, can you jump out?

The way I see winning this is just jumping straight up when he does for throws and then coming down with j.RH into combo. You could still eat a lariat if you guess wrong though.

You can jump after rekkas yeah but it depends of chicken wing. Chicken wing depending on how it was hit or blocked will more than likely get you SPD'd so it would probably be better off that you dont use it vs him at all. Which overall makes the matchup just that much worse

[ChromeX]

Why are you the ONLY person who says that Fei can fight geif better than Geif can fight Fei? It's been the case in EVERY fighting game, when a character requires being in close to do damage and they have to fight a throw character with high stamina, it's almost always a bad matchup.

Questions though, if you HK chicken wing, can you jump before he can SPD you or is it free? Same goes for LP rekkas, can you jump out?

The way I see winning this is just jumping straight up when he does for throws and then coming down with j.RH into combo. You could still eat a lariat if you guess wrong though.

why am i saying it..repeatedly? cus you dumb motherfuckers(the few of you) arent listening. "errrrr how can he possibly win if he has to rush" derp dumbfuck cus i dont need to rush him down for he 10th time. humbag aside who only is standing up for his character, respectfully and rightfully so. some of you ppl in this thread crack me up. if you wanna play fei and are discouraged at all by this thread ill say it again. FUCK THE NAYSAYERS THEY DO NOT MEAN A THING. http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=177345 read my guide ive tested and made sure of everything that isnt starred *just like this*.

Questions though, if you HK chicken wing, can you jump before he can SPD you or is it free? Same goes for LP rekkas, can you jump out?
no....ITS NOT SAFE DONT USE THIS MOVE VS GIEF.

seriously anyone whos new do not let these dumb fucks WHO OBVIOUSLY DO NOT PLAY FEI LONG AS THEIR MAIN CHARACTER tell you whats up, btw you know that if they main fei and thier bitching about how much he sucks in this thread they just cant play him. peace.

[Chacranajxy]

At the very least, I feel like Fei Long's a hell of a lot more fun to play than he was in ST. He seems to get better range on pretty much all of his stuff (which was one thing that bugged me about his previous incarnation)... though there's a few things that really annoy me about him still...

[Pesch]

As far as I can tell HK Flame Kick DOES NOT beat PPP Lariat clean. If you try to hit Zangief in the middle of the Lariat, Zangief usually trades for a large damage and positional advantage. If you wait until the recovery part of the lariat, you can hit Zangief, but it does very little damage. LK Flame Kick does more damage. The whole exercise is kind of pointless though, since no good Zangief would ever spam lariat from the range that all of this would take place at. At point blank the lariat destroys all of the Flame Kicks.

[DevilJin 01]

So Zangief is the new E.Honda?

:[

Yeah...except there's only one projectile character in the game that seriously ruins him (Sagat). Even then that's still better than what Honda had to go through and SFIV Zangief still has more options than Honda did vs. any projectile character in vanilla ST.

Zangief just forces people to know how to fight him really well. Except on top of that he has way more options than he's ever had in any SF game I think. Zangief + rapid fire cancellable low shorts = WTF?! The Zangief player can just play like typical ST Zangief and you still have to be on your toes. That's how good he is in this game. Once you learn how to fight him though he's not quite as scary and has his limitations. He just has more ways to destroy you than ever before once he gets close, gets some sick new pokes and a beefed up lariat.

Oh and I spoke to JetPhi about SFIV Fei and he also had an underwhelming opinion of him. My personal opinion of him at this point is that he just doesn't seem as safe as he was in regular ST and his Rekkas don't do damage. Maybe later on people will figure out the Yang factor with him like in 3S and he'll be an offensive powerhouse that stuns quickly but I don't know. His command throw doesn't sound too hot either. I think it's still generally too early to call good/bad on the new characters yet. I see people doing new stuff with Cammy everyday and she's way more maneuverable than she was in any SF game.

[ChromeX]

As far as I can tell HK Flame Kick DOES NOT beat PPP Lariat clean. If you try to hit Zangief in the middle of the Lariat, Zangief usually trades for a large damage and positional advantage. If you wait until the recovery part of the lariat, you can hit Zangief, but it does very little damage. LK Flame Kick does more damage. The whole exercise is kind of pointless though, since no good Zangief would ever spam lariat from the range that all of this would take place at. At point blank the lariat destroys all of the Flame Kicks.

good points bout lariat....im still gettin lucky....havent traded yet rofl. but i can see it being luck.

[Gentleman Pugilist]

Fei Long has certainly been improved from his previous Super and Alpha incarnations, but he is still awkward to learn.

However, I still have fun using him.

[DevilJin 01]

I never really knew what he played like in Alpha since no one took the console version seriously.

[gozulin]

Fei Long is pretty good if your opponent is slow to react and doesn't have a lot of EX meter available. poke, overhead, rekka, flip over, and so forth can really mess up the opponent. And his jumping roundhouse kick is just pure awesomeness. I love it.

The chicken wing move sucks balls, though.

[Regel]

I dont know about flame kick being able to beat lariat, but I've consistently beat lariats with HK chicken wing or EX chicken wing(granted, if i dont do something afterwards, I'll get spd'd but...)

[Aqua Snake]

j.HK rapes Lariat.

j.HK -> Meaty HP -> Rekka x3

Beautiful.

[Stuckey]

why am i saying it..repeatedly? cus you dumb motherfuckers(the few of you) arent listening. "errrrr how can he possibly win if he has to rush" derp dumbfuck cus i dont need to rush him down for he 10th time. humbag aside who only is standing up for his character, respectfully and rightfully so. some of you ppl in this thread crack me up. if you wanna play fei and are discouraged at all by this thread ill say it again. FUCK THE NAYSAYERS THEY DO NOT MEAN A THING. http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=177345 read my guide ive tested and made sure of everything that isnt starred *just like this*.

Questions though, if you HK chicken wing, can you jump before he can SPD you or is it free? Same goes for LP rekkas, can you jump out?
no....ITS NOT SAFE DONT USE THIS MOVE VS GIEF.

seriously anyone whos new do not let these dumb fucks WHO OBVIOUSLY DO NOT PLAY FEI LONG AS THEIR MAIN CHARACTER tell you whats up, btw you know that if they main fei and thier bitching about how much he sucks in this thread they just cant play him. peace.

You don't mean all that, dude. You can't possibly mean this stuff. This sounds like the type of stuff scrubs say. Why is everyone excluding Humbag a dumb f***? Because we're QUESTIONING your statements? From what it sounds like you have to borrow a console just to play. I don't play Fei Long as my main character, BUT I PLAY GIEF. I'm speaking for Gief's options against Fei and i've repeatedly said I DON'T KNOW WHAT FEI HAS. I've been trying to get you to show me by putting my gamertag in here and telling you to add me, but now all of a sudden "I have to borrow a console so you gotta show up at my house". You should have included that part in the beginning. Doesn't matter because I played a Fei from SRK. Fei IS his main character. His gamertag is Nightvoomer and we played the other night. Out of 10 matches, I beat his Fei 7 times with my Gief. Look him up on here and he will verify this. He's on my friend list now and his Fei is very good. He played very smart against me, but the problem was HE HAD TO HIT ME WAY TOO MANY TIMES AND IT WAS HARD TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

How could you sit there without a method of getting hands-on testing and tell people who own the game and play other people on SRK what's what? Everyone is being civil about this but you. No one called you any names and resorted to whining. You're making baseless claims and can't even present proof. No one cares if you wrote a guide. I could write a guide to Resident Evil 5 and the game isn't even out yet. Watch:

- Conserve ammo

- Conserve health items

- Save often

- Aim for the head

See? But most of the crap you sprout out can be said for everybody else in the game playing against Zangief. "I don't have to rush gief down!!" holds true for every single character when they're fighting Zangief. In the history of Street Fighter I can't remember a game where it was a wise decision to rush Gief down.

So try this, soon as you borrow a ps3 or whatever, add me. My gamertag is Stuc2K. ADD ME. And we'll play first to 10 Zangief vs. Fei Long. Then we'll come in here and post the results. I did this once against Nightvoomer and it pretty much turned out the way I thought, but since you're so adamant about this, i'll entertain the thought that there is still SOME way Fei can beat Zangief SOUNDLY that I just haven't seen yet. Until then, try to refrain from the name-calling. That's unfair and immature. No one in here said you were wrong. We've been approaching this with a "i'll believe it when I see it" attitude. So cool your jets and just show us. Then we'll shut up and give you your praises.

Again. Gamertag: Stuc2K

This isn't GameFAQs. We know Street Fighter here and when you make outrageous claims, you need something to support them (Like Fei only needing to land the second hit of his ultra? Gief can lariat the FIRST hit. If you get hit "derrrrp", there'll BE NO SECOND HIT). Play me. I'm waiting.

[ChromeX]

i didnt say everybody...my post is 90% aimed at chip zanuff...

From what it sounds like you have to borrow a console just to play

I do. till it comes out on pc. i dont own a ps3 or xbox360 and i simply cant afford it. if you think that trumps 6-8 years of street fighter and 4 years on a stick thats your prerogative.

i think i have played you stuck2k but im on daltroid on ps3(ellesds accound\ps3) and will have it for another 3ish hours tonight.

im not gunna rag on you 1 bit for that post. im no nub screamer, you have your reasons same as humbag your playin geif standing up for your character, just like i did against chipp. i dont care if you think you can beat me with your character its the name of the game but to come to my house and tell me my shit stinks!? prepare to get kicked the fuck out.

and your right my strats can be painfully basic at times but especially in this game(a fairly straight forward and basic fighter) i feel basic strategies work best against anyone who you can employ a simple strategy.

[Stuckey]

daltroid? Nah...I doubt i've played anyone by that name.

And if you check my avatar, my character is actually Vega. Zangief is my secondary for when things get rough. This should tell you something about me. Vega has been said to be THE worst character in this game. I actually LIKE fighting against odds. I like taking characters that appear to not have much and being competitive with them. That's why i'm even in this section of the boards in the first place. To see what he has. All i've seen and the Fei Long's i've played against so far just shows me that it's an uphill battle. I didn't come in "your house" and say that anything stunk. I just want to see what you're talking about. Then i'll be more than happy to admit wrong. And might try to use Fei Long as a result of it.

[MRGAY]

Stuckey, I'd like to take you on tonight. Fei isn't my main, but I'm hype about him, so let's see who's better! :D

Gamertag: Battousai70

I won't be home until later, so add me, please. =)

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

i didnt say everybody...my post is 90% aimed at chip zanuff...

From what it sounds like you have to borrow a console just to play

I do. till it comes out on pc. i dont own a ps3 or xbox360 and i simply cant afford it. if you think that trumps 6-8 years of street fighter and 4 years on a stick thats your prerogative.

i think i have played you stuck2k but im on daltroid on ps3(ellesds accound\ps3) and will have it for another 3ish hours tonight.

im not gunna rag on you 1 bit for that post. im no nub screamer, you have your reasons same as humbag your playin geif standing up for your character, just like i did against chipp. i dont care if you think you can beat me with your character its the name of the game but to come to my house and tell me my shit stinks!? prepare to get kicked the fuck out.

and your right my strats can be painfully basic at times but especially in this game(a fairly straight forward and basic fighter) i feel basic strategies work best against anyone who you can employ a simple strategy.

LOL! This is priceless. I love how you sat here and said your post was directed toward me and yet you said "Everyone except for humbag in your post. Not only can i barely understand anything you type but when I do understand what it is you type. It makes little to no sense whatsoever. You are the ONLY person in here making extremely outrageous claims as to how zangief magically loses to fei long. Everyone else who has fought this match up knows other wise. Stuckey is a geif player and he said he played a very good fei long and the Fei lost 7-3 which is exactly what I lost when I played against rogueyoshi(a 360 geif player and a good one)

One question though, How can your post be directed toward me but i havent even posted here in the last few days? Looks like to me your were just trying to save face. Someone please let me know what the results of stuckey vs chrome X is. If he even plays him to begin with. I dont even main fei long anymore. Ive moved on to playing dictator. Leave my name out of your posts in the future. Thanks

[ChromeX]

i edited it to "some of you ppl in this thread crack me up", before anyone else said anything, for a reason dipshit. moving on ggs stuc2k he beat me 3-2 in his favor. i didnt have enough time for a good set before having to return the ps3 to ellesd we gota do a best of 11 next time stuc2k.

[Rave the Butcher]

Im doing fine with Fei Long idk whos saying hes bad.
tenshin is the most worthless move ever and i can barely do a chicken wing and im still doing fine. and no im not playin a buncha noobs or whatever i found you just have to be patient and use his speed to counter when the opponent messes up. i was struggling against ken though. reallyy struggling.

[Stuckey]

i edited it to "some of you ppl in this thread crack me up", before anyone else said anything, for a reason dipshit. moving on ggs stuc2k he beat me 3-2 in his favor. i didnt have enough time for a good set before having to return the ps3 to ellesd we gota do a best of 11 next time stuc2k.

Good stuff, man. We'll have to do it again soon.

MRGAY, I tried to add that name, but it wasn't a valid name. Might have typed it in wrong though. Just send me the invite and i'll accept.

[novolic]

In the condition of fighting a gief player earlier today, I found I was able to back dash out of most spd attempts from light rekkas and poke strings, the only times getting hit were when unintentionally going in too deep with the last rekka hit. I don't know if the other guy was just slow or what..but I was able to punish with fierce rekkas after each spd attempt.

Can anyone confirm that as long as Fei is at say equal frames with Gief that you can back-dash out of it? I'm just curious since Fei's back dash seems to be a lot faster than the other characters.

[Aqua Snake]

I think I have to get some games in with Stuckey too.

I've been working on some Anti-Gief strats and need to try them out.

[ChromeX]

backdash has invincibility on startup so its perfect for dodging spd.

[Home Consumer]

Zangief's lariat "pulses" hits as he spins, and that's why there's so much controversy on whether or not a move can hit Zangief's lariat out. It is pretty much luck based on situation and the pulse frequency of the hitbox.

In almost all cases, Fei Long's flame kick gets owned by the lariat when a pulse happens during the flame kick. All power levels get beaten, including EX.

As a jumping counter to the lariat, Aqua Snake stated that jumping HK is effective, and then proposed that the combo: jumping HK, Meaty HP, and Rekka X 3 was a good combo to use. I have noticed that the jumping HK will beat the lariat with the tip of Fei Long's toes, but not if he jumps deep. The question I ask is how do you propose to combo a meaty HP when the jumping HK needs to land right on top of the spinning Zangief to combo? I've found that jumping HK only works on tip of toes vs lariat, making it not comboable (at best you'll get a far HP). Are there conditions where you find this isn't the case, and you can jump deeper on the lariat?

I too, like many other Fei Long players, am having a lot of trouble with Zangief's lariat.

As a general opinion about Fei Long, I find that he does have good potential though (contrary to the original poster's opinon), and I don't think his damage is as low as some people are making it out to be.

Try doing close HP into EX flame kick (3 hit) and compare that damage to what other characters can do in one normal and one no-charge special. It's pretty decent.

Also, the FWD-MK overhead is a pretty good move as far as overheads go. Any overhead that hops lows and moves forward with that kind of range is worth using.

Overall I'd say Fei Long is looking like middle-low tier right now, but we'll see how that changes over time (for better or worse). If his super and ultra was actually dependable for connecting at any range but point blank (it'll nail first hit but whiff the second hit at mid range), I think he'd go up some in the tier list, but as it is now his super and ultra are pretty crappy (imo) compared to other character supers/ultras.

Another problem with Fei Long is his far standing HK whiffing the second kick when the first connects at range. Like.. why?

[Stuckey]

You can beat the lariat with early jump-ins. True enough. That's why Zangief players do the lariat out of the crouching position. All your jump-ins will be deep ones and they'll all get snuffed if the 'gief player is on point.

[Aqua Snake]

Zangief's lariat "pulses" hits as he spins, and that's why there's so much controversy on whether or not a move can hit Zangief's lariat out. It is pretty much luck based on situation and the pulse frequency of the hitbox.

In almost all cases, Fei Long's flame kick gets owned by the lariat when a pulse happens during the flame kick. All power levels get beaten, including EX.

As a jumping counter to the lariat, Aqua Snake stated that jumping HK is effective, and then proposed that the combo: jumping HK, Meaty HP, and Rekka X 3 was a good combo to use. I have noticed that the jumping HK will beat the lariat with the tip of Fei Long's toes, but not if he jumps deep. The question I ask is how do you propose to combo a meaty HP when the jumping HK needs to land right on top of the spinning Zangief to combo? I've found that jumping HK only works on tip of toes vs lariat, making it not comboable (at best you'll get a far HP). Are there conditions where you find this isn't the case, and you can jump deeper on the lariat?

It's not just the tip of his toes of j.HK, it's the entire leg! It has a pretty big hitbox.

You have to throw it out a little early or you get hit by lariat. If you jump in deep, and do the j.HK properly, that's when you can do the combo I specified. If you hit with the tip, then you will be out of range in which you hit them with a s.HP which still isn't bad.

This move stuffs alot of Zangief attacks except his j.HK in which you will trade.

[koroshiya8]

I main Ken and looking at Fei Long as the next char. Does it discourage me from using him after reading all these negative replies ? Answer is no.

For those who think Zangief owns Fei Long, maybe you are right, FOR NOW, but that is only before someone even better at using him comes to play with you.

[Aqua Snake]

After playing some very good Gief players, I determined that he's not a difficult matchup for Fei anymore. No where near the difficult matchup like with Honda in ST. I think players are overreacting.

He is annoying no doubt, but there's alot of moves that Fei can punish, and it's SO easy to play keep away when your leading in health.

I think alot of players didn't realize how awesome his j.HK is. It stuffs almost everything Zangief does. Airborne Fei is money.

[ChromeX]

i almost exclusively use jumping fp(...for priority) but imma try that in my next gief fight.

[koroshiya8]

i though that it's almost certain that against Gief, there is inevitable some jumping around the screen? LOL.

[StarNab]

Haven't any major problems against Zangiefs and Sagats.
Problematic opponents are Blankas and Hondas so far. And it seems that Fei weakness is well-known cause some players were about to choose the regular shotokan dirt and then quickly switched to Blanka when I choose Fei.

BTW, I'm really annoyed with his ultra : no serious air juggle, and first attack may hit and the other guy might still escape the 2nd one which starts the "real" Ultra especially when going through fire balls.

[Beanman1000]

I think there was actually a juggle ultra combo posted in the combos thread. I think it was cl.HP Short flame kick FADC ultra

[isurus]

the ultra in that case only get's 3 hits of those 5 rekkas, and the last hit does the biggest damage, but it's also the hardest to connect with. It's not the full Ultra in any juggle circumstance.

[ChromeX]

I think he'd go up some in the tier list, but as it is now his super and ultra are pretty crappy (imo) compared to other character supers/ultras.

Another problem with Fei Long is his far standing HK whiffing the second kick when the first connects at range. Like.. why?

...his super is crappy? a super which connects off of any jump in, a command grab, a cr.mk, and beats out meaty most meaty attacks(for 475ish damage all around) is crappy? jesus h buttfuck wth more do you want!?

why does feis standing HK suck? cus your using it... that thing is slow as fuck and the 200 damage isnt worth it in anyway, its slow enough where either hit can easily be focus countered and like you said the second hit usually whiffs leaving you even more so vulnerable.

aqua....holy shit at neutral jump hk vs gief. that just changed everything.

starnab>
"BTW, I'm really annoyed with his ultra : no serious air juggle, and first attack may hit and the other guy might still escape the 2nd one which starts the "real" Ultra especially when going through fire balls. " what the fuck? dude i connect jumpin hk\fp to ultra or super all day wth is wrong with you lol.(not so much against gief mind you lariat n all.)

Beanman1000
"I think there was actually a juggle ultra combo posted in the combos thread. I think it was cl.HP Short flame kick FADC ultra "

idk bout that 1. unless the damage with the last hit is really decent, it just seems dumb to go through the trouble of learning the combo.

[Stuckey]

Had 5 Fei vs. Gief matches with another Fei player. CkMobster. Gief wins 5-0

[ChromeX]

ckmobster needs to up his skills :-P

[StarNab]

Screw Fei's ultra for not going far enough after first hit !!!! Especially when going through fire balls ! Hey CAPCOM, it's totally useless to make it fireball proof it you're at disadvantage after performing it !:sad:

[Hotobu]

I'm going to have to side with the 'Gief players here. Every Fei that I've fought is simply death by 1000 cuts. The best way to describe this match is that 'Gief can stick to standard strategies while Fei has to be on point and constantly guess correctly. From the 'Gief side Fei just doesn't have anything that makes me want to react. (Projectile players aside) Abel can mix you up, Bison is an acrobat, Fuerte is quick as fuck, but when I'm walking toward Fei he doesn't scare me at all. Random cr. jabs and standing strong seem to mess Fei up, and none of his moves are reliable chipping options. On top of that Fei's ultra is pretty terrible. Even scarier is the fact that Gief doesn't seem to need EX glove for this match and Gief with super vs a character that has to be close to win doesn't seem like a favorable situation for Fei.

Lastly 'Gief sitting on a lead vs. most of the cast is a problem... but for Fei it's especially hard.

[Tigerboi]

I like how characters are being calling shitty when their metagames aren't even a month old.

[mcginnis]

I use Fei Long and am fairly aware of his good and bad points. One thing that annoys me is that there really is no way to combo in the ultra combo, pretty sure anyways. The only way I can connect it is to focus attack and then use it. Ryu can use a shoryu and connect, Balrog can anti air and connect, and pretty much just about everyone else short of a grab ultra.

He's still really fun to play with and it's a good challenge to take on characters who have a severe advantage over him.

[KrsJin]

I find the more I focus on my normals, and less on specials, the better I do with Fei. Some of his pokes seem great. And I didn't expect it, but he's my choice against Boxer now too. c.Fierce is just too good against him. Once you get up on life, it forces Boxer to come to you (something that usually gives Fei a problem).

[StarNab]

I use Fei Long and am fairly aware of his good and bad points. One thing that annoys me is that there really is no way to combo in the ultra combo, pretty sure anyways. The only way I can connect it is to focus attack and then use it. Ryu can use a shoryu and connect, Balrog can anti air and connect, and pretty much just about everyone else short of a grab ultra.

He's still really fun to play with and it's a good challenge to take on characters who have a severe advantage over him.

Well, i've succeded in combo it after a jump attack during training... but was unable to reproduce in real match. :/
I'm pretty sure it connected because it ended with 13 hits, where regular ultra gives 12. The timing is hot though.
So just mid kick jump then ultra.
If anyone can confirm, it would be great.

[ChromeX]

....ya you can do it. jumpin hk\hp >ultra...try reading my matchup thread....

[mcginnis]

That's good to know but, it's still near impossible to do on someone who's half way decent. :sweat: I'll practice the crossup and see if I have better luck with that.

[ChromeX]

dude....i eat any fireball character regardless of how good they are with jumpin ultra. all it takes is anticipating 1 fireball>jumpin hk>ultra>moneys.

[mcginnis]

It doesn't matter if they're too far away. If they're chunking out fireballs in a range you can jump in then they really aren't that good now are they?

[ChromeX]

...have you seen the range of his jumpin hk? you should look a lil closer.

[KrsJin]

Yeah, the range on j.HK really is godly.

[mcginnis]

You guys said there was a timing to the hit and ultra. The kick may contact but I'm doubting the ultra will. I'll have to mess with it the next time I get on to see what the range really is.

[ChromeX]

it does...cus i do it. range and timing involved (can be a pain against taller chars). dun doubt it.

[mcginnis]

well, tried it for a while and unless you're a quarter screen away from the character it won't connect afterwards. It's pretty much what I thought.

[ChromeX]

you failed.

[ultimec1a]

Quite the contrary, I find Fei Long's Ultra to be good, and his range (not the best, but adequate,) to put most players off. Maybe I'm just different.:china:

[Hotobu]

Quite the contrary, I find Fei Long's Ultra to be good, and his range (not the best, but adequate,) to put most players off. Maybe I'm just different.:china:

So how do you land it?

Everyone can land it on dizzy, focus, reversal. Other than that what are you doing? As far as I know he can't land it in a non trivial manner.

[mcginnis]

Can't even use it as chip damage most of the time since the startup is wicked slow and easy to jump out of, not to mention that his invincibility is non-existent.:lol:

[judge_rl]

....ya you can do it. jumpin hk\hp >ultra...try reading my matchup thread....

...seems pretty straight-up to me.

[Rave the Butcher]

was flippin through the prima strategy for SF4 and they tiered fei long as A
the rest of the tier was that fucked up too

[StarNab]

So how do you land it?

Everyone can land it on dizzy, focus, reversal. Other than that what are you doing? As far as I know he can't land it in a non trivial manner.

I usually performs it when the opponent jumps on me. With good timing, he can't guard due to recovery frames on landing.

[judge_rl]

:u: i've specifically done that to akuma.

akuma jumps back and dumps an air fb...fei moves under and past the fb with 1 hp rekka. just before akuma lands, fei does ultra. akuma falls into it and is hit with full ultra. action in the air = loss of instant guard upon landing? maybe

also, ultra can be snuck in after setting up a variety of + frame traps

[HellonEarth84]

Fei Long has the best jump kick in the game. Easy to use Ultra/Super. One of the fastest in the game.

Nice rush down move set.

[ChromeX]

i wouldnt do ultra in the air...feis FA is so good its easy to hit someone with any level of it for a crumple hit, >ultra. like i said earlier against projectile chars, anticipate 1 shot and jumpin hk>ultra(and your gunna have more range here than a typical jumpin hk cus the animation for most projectiles stretches your opponents hitbox forward.)

[KrsJin]

I usually performs it when the opponent jumps on me. With good timing, he can't guard due to recovery frames on landing.

Yeah, normally this is frowned down upon in the community and gets dubbed a 'random' Ultra but shit works well if they jump in with HK or FP. I think everytime I've thrown it out on their jump in it has worked (but I haven't done it too often).

Can we change the thread title to Fei Long is pretty bad-ass?

[DRCsyntax]

Can we change the thread title to Fei Long is pretty bad-ass?

I second that

[DevilJin 01]

I think Fei Long is bad at Street Fighter is good. He can be bad ass too though.

[judge_rl]

i wouldnt do ultra in the air...feis FA is so good its easy to hit someone with any level of it for a crumple hit, >ultra. like i said earlier against projectile chars, anticipate 1 shot and jumpin hk>ultra(and your gunna have more range here than a typical jumpin hk cus the animation for most projectiles stretches your opponents hitbox forward.)

Jump in vs Akuma who is throwing angled air fbs? I see your point tho, but different scenario here.

Point taken regarding timing your lvl 1 focus to counterhit tho, but i'm sure start-up should be taken into account. Actually, giving it more thought, I would just recommend timing a close s.fierce to catch them in that recovery, but I was just mentioning how I got it to work in-match before.

[mcginnis]

i wouldnt do ultra in the air...feis FA is so good its easy to hit someone with any level of it for a crumple hit, >ultra. like i said earlier against projectile chars, anticipate 1 shot and jumpin hk>ultra(and your gunna have more range here than a typical jumpin hk cus the animation for most projectiles stretches your opponents hitbox forward.)

Bam, that's the little nugget of info you forgot to mention. I tried it on a standing cpu in training and like I said you have to be pretty close for it to connect but, I'll try the fireball and it makes sense that your range increases because their arm increases. This is pretty good to know for fighting shotos since I've been relying on a focus attack to even think of trying an ultra.

[Aqua Snake]

I second the thread title to be changed.

[StarNab]

I second the thread title to be changed.

So do I. I seriously think he is A-Tier or something like that. He has tools against almost every annoying opponent (Blanka, Dhalsim...). God bless CW EX.

[DarthTrey]

ckmobster needs to up his skills :-P

LOL to be fair bro I was slightly intoxicated and fairly inexperienced vs. gief....


I got very impatient int hat match up and made a lot of mistakes.

In retrospect:

VERY tough fight from my experience(had some *** counter pick me with gief today). Given two players of equal skill fight weighs HEAVILY in Giefs favor, anyone that says differently may not understand what it takes to actually do damage against a character liket hat..


GG's Stuck lol Hope to play you soon

FYI my PSN name is CkMobster I SWEAR I'M NOT A SCRUB!!!! just impatient :P:bgrin:



I usually performs it when the opponent jumps on me. With good timing, he can't guard due to recovery frames on landing.
yeah but i've gotten punished a lot by doing this as well.... It's generally not safe and better to try and FA attack or link into it... trying to use it as a counter will more often than not result in you getting fucked....

[HellonEarth84]

I love Fei Long. He's fun to play. Great rush down style.

-Best jump kick in the game
-Fastest player in the game (minus el fuerte, who is TOO fast for my liking)
-One of the longest reaching FA

However... he is unbalanced and would suck to use in competitive play.

-No combo into Ultra/Super. In contrast, Ryu/Sagat/Rufus/etc have similar button inputs and can all combo into their Ultra/Super.

-A useless command throw that does no damage and can be blocked afterwards. They shouldve made it like Gouken's where you can atleast do the Ultra after the command throw. Compare it to Abel and E.Honda's command throws which have the same button input. Theirs does huge damage, while Fei Long's does ZERO damage. Considering how close you have to be, and how hard it is to use, you'd think they would've made it more useful.

-Chicken Wing is great, but -- Why does Cammy's spinning knuckle move go through fireballs AND hurricane kicks while Fei's Chicken Wing has to be perfectly timed just to go through fireballs. It's the only button combo like that in the entire game and yet Gief's one-button lariat is more effective and 10x easier to pull off.



Yeah...I like Fei Long. But if I'm playing for keeps, I'm not using him.

[Mechanica]

-No combo into Super.

s.mp, c.mk xx super is not only a combo but it's a hit confirm

[StarNab]

I love Fei Long. He's fun to play. Great rush down style.

-Best jump kick in the game
-Fastest player in the game (minus el fuerte, who is TOO fast for my liking)
-One of the longest reaching FA

However... he is unbalanced and would suck to use in competitive play.

-No combo into Ultra/Super. In contrast, Ryu/Sagat/Rufus/etc have similar button inputs and can all combo into their Ultra/Super.

-A useless command throw that does no damage and can be blocked afterwards. They shouldve made it like Gouken's where you can atleast do the Ultra after the command throw. Compare it to Abel and E.Honda's command throws which have the same button input. Theirs does huge damage, while Fei Long's does ZERO damage. Considering how close you have to be, and how hard it is to use, you'd think they would've made it more useful.

-Chicken Wing is great, but -- Why does Cammy's spinning knuckle move go through fireballs AND hurricane kicks while Fei's Chicken Wing has to be perfectly timed just to go through fireballs. It's the only button combo like that in the entire game and yet Gief's one-button lariat is more effective and 10x easier to pull off.



Yeah...I like Fei Long. But if I'm playing for keeps, I'm not using him.

First of all Ultras and Super are comboable : jumped attack for the first one and crouched punch/kick for the last will do.

Dude saying that he is unbalanced "alone" doesn't make sense...

1st thing, imo, people should think about Ultra as any other tool. Thus comparing it to other characters Ultra is pointless : I don't think anyone around will compare DPunch with flaming kick, right ? The weaknesses you found in his Ultra is balanced with his overall techniques. Indeed, if you take Ultras apart and start comparing it, you'll give Fei an C-tier or something like that.
You're comparing Cwing and Cammy's Spinning knuckle. Well, after a failed spinning knuckle, you are at your opponent mercy because of frame disadvantage. You're not with CWing and this makes a HUGE difference. I fought many Cammys and all I have to do is to wait for their Spinn.Knuck spamming and just counterattack. If I jump in with CW, i can still recover then throw or crouch mid punch or flaming kick etc... What I mean is that every special move has it drawback : some has obvious ones (oops failed Fierce DPunch) some are harder to figure out (Blanka Roll).
On the other hand, I agree with you : Fei won't do in competitive play. His style requires full offense. He just can't sit there and spam some shit to be effective.

[mcginnis]

The command throw can be used for a combo afterwards. You must be timing it wrong because when I use it (not much), I always get a free flame kick or rekka if you begin with hp or mp.

The super can be performed after a crouching mp and since he can combo in two crouching mps it's not too hard to do.

[HNIC Mike]

another thing on the command throw, if you are having trouble landing a combo, try a cr.lp into fierce rekkas. only like 180dmg, but still more than a regular grab, and the cr.lp is almost garaunteed not to be blocked cuz of the low frame count

[Merkicus]

I see a lot of complaining about Gief but a lot of characters have issues against Gief because he hits like a fucking truck, has a ton of health, and you have to play perfectly the entire round or suddenly you're down 30-50% health from one mistake.

[Aqua Snake]

j.HK is the new s.HP in ST for this game against Zangief.

[ChromeX]

gief and rog alike im starting to think more and more the only normals we should be using outside a combo string are cr.fp and aerial fp\hk\mk, unless your using something else other than mk to crossup in the air.