Whiffing SPD

[suncowiam]

Anyone knows why Zangief would whiff on a SPD even if he's in range and the defender is just standing or blocking?

For example, let's say I do a jump crossover splash + cr.lk + SPD.

Sometimes I whiff on that and sometimes I don't. I like to understand that exact mechanic on whiffing so to fix it up.

Thanks.

[aure]

you are doing it to soon.wait about half a second more and it should grab,be aware that the other person can just jab you or throw you first

[suncowiam]

This probably depends on the frame data, but could you specify at what point the other person can jab or throw? Is this after cr.lk?

If I'm reading the data correctly, if I hit with the splash, then shouldn't this be unblockable?

[The RedEye]

i don't think you can grab during a stun animation in sf4.

[chosen_one23]

i don't think you can grab during a stun animation in sf4.

This man speaks the truth.

[suncowiam]

Oh ok, thanks.

[mattpsx2]

like when you do the knee drop snd then suplex, you can do it even if it connects, you just have to wait for them to recover

[The RedEye]

its a balancing issue. Instead of comboing to SPD, you have to use banishing flat. That's all. SPD after combo IS a bit much.

[suncowiam]

I see, thanks.

I was so used to the tick throws is HDR.

[PimpUigi]

Zangief's throw should be a combo friendly move in this IMHO.

The way damage scales...Zangief comboing a SPD as the third or fourth hit in a string would basically only equal the SPD base damage anyway.

[TheGlow]

I like how I had Seth and did his pull in move, and did a 360 point blank and it whiffed...
Or with Gief when up close, the enemy jumps back and I immediately do a bear grab to catch when they land, and he'll do the whiff animation. I didnt press kick till they were already in the air... Its a bit awkward sometimes.

[Shukuda]

What is the range on the SPD? It seems at times you can grab someone at sweeping range and at times it just whiffs. :confused:

[Jhova808]

What is the range on the SPD? It seems at times you can grab someone at sweeping range and at times it just whiffs. :confused:

curious about this too.


sometimes ill whiff P-drivers i know i shoulda got, and sometimes ill think oh fuck, im gonna eat this one, but ill somehow grab the dude and murk him.

[PimpUigi]

As is the randomness of SF4...like half the time the st. lk whiffs vs. Balrog, or half a million other random crap in this game.

I hate random : (

[nickerz]

sometimes when someone goes to jump to me and ive done flat at the same time, i just slap in a an SPD but it HAS to be a LP SPD cos its the furthest range the others dont work

[Blondie]

Gief throws can't be done during hit stun, you will get whiff animation.

Kara throws are huge for gief...buffering a 360 after a fwd dash can add quite a bit of throw distance.

[Canto]

Gief throws can't be done during hit stun, you will get whiff animation.

Kara throws are huge for gief...buffering a 360 after a fwd dash can add quite a bit of throw distance.

Wha.. what? You can do command throws when they're stunned.. :looney:

And thats not a kara throw. A kara throw is canceling a regular attack into a regular throw (not a command throw) to give it more range. Dashing won't give you any more SPD range.

[Blondie]

Sorry should have specified....the title to the thread is whiffing SPD, if you input a throw during hit stun you get a whiff animation "DURING" the hit stunn....ie you can't combo throws


I'm still fairly new with the terminology, but you do seem to get a bit of distance with a dash lp SPD. It may not be a kara throw, but it's the same principle. You can test it out if you like. I usually get 2x the length of fwd dash with zangief dash 1x and am still able to close the gap of a full fwd dash with lp SPD....it just seems to add range to an otherwise standing spd. Try it out =)

[Mortal Lock]

What is the range on the SPD? It seems at times you can grab someone at sweeping range and at times it just whiffs. :confused:

When you are landing command throws like SPD at longer-than-normal range, its usually a result of your opponent poking with normals, extending their throwable hitbox.

[Steveyuken]

curious about this too.


sometimes ill whiff P-drivers i know i shoulda got, and sometimes ill think oh fuck, im gonna eat this one, but ill somehow grab the dude and murk him.

I swear I once grabbed Blanka rolling at me for SPD.

[The RedEye]

you can also, if you're good (or the computer), SPD honda's headbutt. I've also seen a zangief SPD a cammy as she was just starting a cannon spark (the uppercut) on youtube. It was ridiculous timing. It was just not fair.

Then again the timing on these things are just way beyond the average player to master.