Tourny Viable?

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

I've seen other console chars get this thread as well so figured I'll make one to ask about Rose.

What do you guys think? Honestly, I think she's very solid, but she lacks damaging combos to make her a threat compared to the other upper tier characters. Her only big damage combo comes from comboing into her Super. Her Ultra is great for punishing though, but other than that it has no usage outside of hitting a crumple FA. Her combo in training into her Ultra isn't a practical combo as it has to be done in the corner, and then you actually have to make sure your opponent isn't blocking.

She is SOOOOO basic in this game compared to others. All she has are her BnBs from the Alpha series and then you add EX versions for her moves, and there you have it. Rose in SF4.

I don't think she'll be a contender at high level play. Only thing she'll have going for her is mixing it up and landing those little BnBs that she has. I hope I'm completely wrong though. But this is how I feel at the moment.

Sometimes I struggle with Rose, then I go and pick Ryu and it's like easy mode. Ryu, and this can be said for some of the other top chars, gets easy links, strong combos, and many ways to land his ultra..... While Rose can't even combo into her almost useless Soul Throw.

Perhaps I still don't know enough about this game to really tell if Rose is actually limited or not compared to other characters. Afterall, she's the only character I really play, and sometimes Ryu.

[HirumaNC]

Rose is solid, but got nothing 'scary' besides shamwow. For ex. Ryu/Sagat, if they got ultra and 2 bars of super it is pretty threatening. Also there is Rosa's wake-up game...
Add those up it seems like an uphill battle in tournament.


Soul throw is really disappointing tbh, it was great in Alpha, soul throw's own great damage and the system of alpha (air block and some other factors). In 4, soul throw is just a flashy move, it's own risk VS reward ratio is pretty bad.

Still have hope though, but it seems like blind faith for Ms. Arcane Fox =|

[TVG]

Nah, soul thro always sucked, believe me. It was only good cause of c.hp xx super soul throw comboed in A2 along with a few other juggles. And i guess you could get it off a c.hp in A3 too, but c.hp sucked in A3 if memory serves right. I think ST should be used more like a punisher against certain options rather than as an antiair. But time will make us discover which options (for example she can grab blanka balls pretty reliably with the EX)

I think rose will be solid mid. Chun doesn't have 400 ways to combo into ultra either and she can compete.
Her combos and shit are pretty limited tho, so i'm sure she'll have to play turtle and kinda boring to watch. Just my two cents, i got the game last week.

[xero15]

well i guess the real question is what makes a character tournament viable? is it the character or the player? not saying any of the people posting here are this way but sometimes people chalk up too much stuff to their character and not their skills. with that being said i do think shes viable in a tourney but relying heavily on fadc's proper timing of her ultra and strong use of ex moves like soul throw and drill. spacing of course becomes crucial but second after baiting due to recovery. thats just a few of the things that come to my head when i think of how i would differ her from casual play. she would more than likely look flashier in a tourney play as compared to casual.

[Mariodood]

She's tourney viable if she's better than Vega..and everyone is better than Vega. If she has no damaging combos then you just have to play her as a poking char.

[*Onslaught*]

Her Ultra is the highest priority move in the game, lol. Great fire ball, good BnB, solid pokes, safety on her drill, etc. . . she's got just about everything you need.

[D1_]

Her Ultra is the highest priority move in the game, lol. Great fire ball, good BnB, solid pokes, safety on her drill, etc. . . she's got just about everything you need.

I wish she didn't rely on EX drill as a reversal on wakeup...what if I don't have an EX bar? Then what?

If only she had a great DP...but w/e I still <3 her ^_^.

I just wish S.throw could be comboed into...still stifles me as to why not.

And the fact she has zero overheads...other than her aerials...

/end rant.

[Gonzales]

one word:
turtle

thats rigth a turtle Rose is a tourney Rose. You dont need a good reversal if you know how to keep people away she has great normals and a good anti-air, combine that with the fact that she can punish you hard when she has Ultra or Super, you defenatly have tourney material.

[Ajil]

I personally think rose will be uppermid tier. She just doesn't seem to have enough to make the jump to high tier. I hope someone will prove me wrong on this though. Luckily, this isn't marvel so you can have success with mid tier characters.

[xero15]

trust me im breaking this bitch in :lol:

[Ouroborus]

i agree. rose is just too basic in this game. she can barely combo into her ultra which makes it that less useful. once people find ways around the shamwow, it becomes much less reliable. missed ultra = death

she'll do okay in tourneys, but dont expect her to dominate like some of the big boys.

[xero15]

seeing as i dont ever really care for tier list unless its marvel i think shell do just fine. shes gonna use a lot of meter so pressure is gonna have to be constantly applied from a safe range so plus her block strings are long so it shouldnt be that bad.

[purifyweirdsoul]

imo, every character in this game is tourney viable. You'll just have to work harder with Rose.

[Zona]

I dont enter tourney's to win (I'm never anywhere near the best there) so I usually avoid the high tiers out of spite when choosing my main besides the coolest characters are never top tier.

[gos]

I dont enter tourney's to win (I'm never anywhere near the best there) so I usually avoid the high tiers out of spite when choosing my main besides the coolest characters are never top tier.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Next time you think about entering a tourney just paypal me your entrance fee

Read "Playing to Win" by David Sirlin. PLEASE.

[LoneWolf-7]

We'll see how it goes for Rose but theres really no reason not to choose her. If everyone relied on tiers we'd be seeing Sagat vs Sagat all day long lol

[nacor cb]

why choose Rose when you have better chars?? at least chars that are better balanced.

you pay a fee to compete in a tournament, and compete to win a price (money, hardware...).

Rose doesnt seem to be a good option :(

[Roogle]

See this post for some of my thoughts on Rose and what would be needed to make her more tournament viable:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=6419473&postcount=138

[Pasqual]

Viable? Yes. Dominating or particularly worrisome to opponents? No.

She's pretty good if you've got solid prediction skills and a knack for reading your opponent (insert fortune teller joke here). If you have a preference for imposing your will on the other person at all times instead of as reaction to hesitation or whatever, she's going to be a little more limited.

She will be seen at tourneys a little infrequently, but she'll pop up as a CP against Giefers methinks and then a few dedicated mainers.

[Zona]

I dont think we'll be seeing any first place finishes with her outside of small local tourneys.

[Shinigami Zero]

Like others here I see her as a viable a choice as any other character. It just isn't very likely to see her placing high initially. Not when there are so many other "superior" characters to choose from at the moment.

However, as time goes on people will start expand and her usefulness will be revealed. She may not be one of the most "exciting" characters to use but she is definitely solid and worth learning.

[Isaiah7]

It will be really hard for someone to win any major tournament with Rose, her soul throw has terrible priority even against normals like Ken's j.rh, its only use is to counter certain moves in the games like Bison followups on Headstomp and Devil Reverse. When going against people that know Rose it is hard to punish with her Ultra, as you must be really on point. If they jump in you can't be too early since it'll whiff, and if you too late they're recover in time to block or in certain circumstances they can trade with you depending on the character I think, because I once tried to punish a Sagat on a j.rh and it traded knocking me clean out of my Ultra and Sagat only being knocked back. Her Ultra has bad priority as well. They only things good about her is she has some good combos involving fadc/links/super, long range pokes, her throw and crossup game. I not trying to rag on her as I main her, but I think she probably low mid tier at best. I mean she'll be able to compete, but as of now you gonna have to outsmart and make little mistakes in matches to win. Maybe more useful things will be discover, but as of now this is my take on it.

[Jarekov]

It will be really hard for someone to win any major tournament with Rose, her soul throw has terrible priority even against normals like Ken's j.rh, its only use is to counter certain moves in the games like Bison followups on Headstomp and Devil Reverse. When going against people that know Rose it is hard to punish with her Ultra, as you must be really on point. If they jump in you can't be too early since it'll whiff, and if you too late they're recover in time to block or in certain circumstances they can trade with you depending on the character I think, because I once tried to punish a Sagat on a j.rh and it traded knocking me clean out of my Ultra and Sagat only being knocked back. Her Ultra has bad priority as well. They only things good about her is she has some good combos involving fadc/links/super, long range pokes, her throw and crossup game. I not trying to rag on her as I main her, but I think she probably low mid tier at best. I mean she'll be able to compete, but as of now you gonna have to outsmart and make little mistakes in matches to win. Maybe more useful things will be discover, but as of now this is my take on it.

your rose kicked my ass up and down the street, her poking game is mean

[wisdomStreet]

http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog/2009/03/24/street_fighter_iv_unofficial_rankings_chart?num=5&pg=2

Rose got rated as the worst character here. I think this is bullshit...she is a good character.

edit: Apologies. I got angry and bitter

[Jarekov]

http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog/2009/03/24/street_fighter_iv_unofficial_rankings_chart?num=5&pg=2

Rose got rated as the worst character here. I think this is bullshit...she is a good character.

edit: Apologies. I got angry and bitter

well according to that chart theirs only a 30 something difference in wins between her and sagat, which is actually really good, i think this game is so well balanced everyone is viable i wouldnt worry to much man

[wisdomStreet]

well according to that chart theirs only a 30 something difference in wins between her and sagat, which is actually really good, i think this game is so well balanced everyone is viable i wouldnt worry to much man

Yeah maybe you're right.

[DevilJin 01]

Everybody's viable in this game. No reason to not use a character just cuz they're low. If you want to win or place highly in bigger tournaments consistently...I wouldn't suggest Rose. If you want to win some local tourneys here and there and and place decently at bigger tourneys then Rose is definitely worth playing.

[purifyweirdsoul]

Rose is def tourney viable if you team with UltraDavid like I did this past Saturday lol. But naw, I did pretty well. She matches my style really well. There are some situations where I'm just clueless though, i.e. feeling helpless when I'm cornered by certain characters.

[JiveT]

I know I play a bunch of scrubs mostly but I have good success using her soul throw as an anti-air even against Kens and Ryus maybe they are timing their kick wrong or I am timing my Soul Throw right I don't know

*goes to bed*