Anyone else feel like online Dan users miss the point?

[siv00]

Dan is a fully capable character to win with in this game. He can be seen as a ghetto version of Ken/Ryu + some of his own style. He has a very reliable DP and QCB-K(or its EX version) beats out a lot of stuff and is surprisingly safe to use. It also makes for an effective way of landing Ultra by following up a blocked QCB-K with an ultra in hopes that they try to start a hitstring (as in a series of YT videos from DSP, he steals practically every round by doing this - people always go for reversals against Dan apparently). Super and Ultra are both pretty good I think in terms of being able to land them.

So I really doubt Capcom put Dan in this game for the purpose of mocking an opponent using "real" character(s) - because he's not quite that horrible in this game. A win as Dan means very little other than that it's possible for you to beat that opponent with a mediocre shoto character.

I always see this lame mentality from the worst players. The majority of Dan users I play online don't even do any better after switching to Ryu/Ken. It's like fighting a faster+more damaging Dan with real fireballs. Except they're awful so their fireballs get punished causing them to get stomped even harder? Maybe they should main Dan until they can actually appreciate what the better shoto characters have to offer?

Not trying to make a generalization about all Dan users, just people who use him because they are dumb enough to think they're putting on a huge display of skills if they win, and if they lose, they were playing Dan anyway so it doesn't count, of course. :rofl:

Why even bother taunting when the mere fact you landed an attack on a "serious" character is a huge taunt in itself? :rolleyes:

Give me a break. Dan is funny to play as because of his taunts/animations, not because "OMFG, you might win against like Akuma or Sagat, with DAN - haha owned" He's not the worst character in the game, and even if he were, it'd be by such a small margin so as to hardly matter. (Dan > Vega sadly enough IMO) He's definitely low tier, but IV needs no Dan tier as he's not even close to being bad enough.

If you win, great, but now do it consistently, or at least in a humorous fashion as to make it worth the time to play you (Gadouken for the win with chip always gets a laugh from me). I am starting to wish they had just made him complete garbage, so that it'd actually be as big of an accomplishment as these scrubs are making it out to be (hint: it's not). Is it even possible to pick him without looking like you're trying to embarrass your opponent by picking him? And don't forget to counterpick Dan with Dan - after all, how are you going to live it down if you lose to Dan? :rolleyes:

Am I wrong on this and Dan is just a playable taunt? Because in that case he needs to be a lot worse than he is. If you play any other shoto and go 5-5 against someone, I don't see it turning into 0-10 if you switch to Dan. 4-6 or 3-7, MAYBE 2-8 at the worst. He's really just nowhere near that bad.

[AlterGenesis]

It's true, he's not that bad. At least in comparison to his other iterations. He's certainly no Sean since he actually has usable combos and links. His dragon punch is servicable and does what it's supposed to do. He has one of the better crossups, j.mk is pretty fat and he can get standing fucking fierce after it.

Obviously, you're probably better off picking any other shoto, but it's certainly not hopeless if you do pick Dan.

[Havik]

I use him because he is a soild character not to show off. But excellent psot my friend. I agree with all the points you made.

[Skillmatic520]

I use him as my 2nd behind Guile because I actually just enjoy using him. Dude's swag is absolutely through the roof.

[TheTurnipKing]

I use Dan because he is awesome.

In all honesty, I reckon Capcom should use Dan as the base for all Shoto characters from now on, rather than Ryu. The weaker fireball, the slower hurricane... I find these things serve to actually make the game more fun to play, for all concerned.

[kyored]

#1 rule always taunt wit Dan because he has style. :rofl:

[E C]

Well, picking Dan is picking a crap character because, well, he is. However, this is true if and only if the players are of same and sufficient skill and knowledge, and that's the case with almost any fighting game with crap characters.

Online, with all the differing skill levels, the fact that Dan sucks only comes into play when dealing with very bad matchups. And even those can be won if the Dan player is better.

Out of the many Dans I've seen online, I've seen maybe two Dans that actually knew what they were doing. Everyone else uses Dan solely as an excuse for losing, because the player is not good to begin with. Then they run to Ken.

[sweetypiejonson]

i pick dan for a few reasons:
1. i love his training gear outfit
2. my game style is heavily based on throws and the mixup, not so much trying to link combos
3. i love to taunt
4. i love making little scrub kens feel even worse about their shitty fight startagies

im not great with him, but id say hes the shoto im best with, maybe him and gouken. id definitely get smashed if i picked dan against a ryu or ken that knew what he was doing, but i think thats more just ryu and ken being slightly faster and better. i just smash nubs who think theyre good spamming shoryukens all day. I will say though that dan does have a few moves that are really really nice, all his ex moves are good, and i like using in air qcb+HK as a way to get behind oppenents or to escape out of corners, and dont even get me started on his ultra, it rapes too good

[Proto Cloud]

Dan's a great humiliator. I actually do better with him sometimes than even Rog at times! But the humiliation factor in using him is well worth it.

[Robo-Monkey]

Dan > Life

[Ramza86]

I main Dan....I have no other options.....sagat gets me up to 3k BP...and I dont even know how to use him...I cant get Dan up to 3k...the random scrub players can wreck a dan...they cant beat a average sagat...so that says something about dan(and me)...

WAY too many bad matchups...and those bad matchups....people are always using them..bison,balrog,ryu,sagat,akuma,gouken,guile... I see those guys on the reg...and if they have a brain...im pretty much in miracle mode....

What characters are worse than dan? fei..maybe...and even fei is the favorite against dan....dan and fei are the worst in the game...no question the only reason I give dan the nod..because his ultra is good

[Robo-Monkey]

I don't know about worst. Vega kinda...really sucks imo XD

[Ramza86]

really? vega the worst? i think vega is on that 2nd worst tier level with the others

[tolore]

What characters are worse than dan?

I think dans definitely going to be a step above the fuerte/vega tier.

[DJ Magic Marco]

I use him as my 2nd behind Guile because I actually just enjoy using him. Dude's swag is absolutely through the roof.

That's exactly what I'm doing. :rofl: Even if I lose with Dan, I end up getting a good laugh, and I'm sure the person on the other end is laughing their ass off as I dash around the screen like a maniac.

On the other side of it, I'd like to get better with Dan. I might have to hit up a couple of you XBOX Dan players to get some pointers.

Dan vs. Dan fights are the best. You know both players are just sitting back, laughing the whole time.

Edit: I got negative rep like the poster below me as well. Nice.

[A Nun]

I used Dan for jokes in an online match today against another Dan, never met or played the guy before. We hit each other enough to fill the super bar and Bam! Dual super taunts from both of us. I could not stop laughing. Apparently neither could the other guy because all we did was just taunt and let Dan be Dan for the rest of the time until the timer ran out.

Needless to say, it was epic.

Edit: I got negative repped for this? Man, people need to lighten up.

[Ramza86]

I think dans definitely going to be a step above the fuerte/vega tier.

I think fuerte has a superior mix up game compared to dan...I dont put dan and fuerte in the same breath..lol

I could see dan being in with vega...I still think vega is better...

But seriously...I main dan...its just bad matchup after bad matchup...

I play people around my skill level all the time....i played a pretty good chun the other day...I told him 20 serious matches....he agreed...he went 18-2...all of her normals crushed me...i discovered a new matchup that can crush me...

so far...bison,akuma(maybe 14-6),balrog,chun are 18-2 type characters against dan...and ive just started playing people around 4k bp its looking real bad...im stubborn...I dont want to switch mains...so this game is breaking my heart

[rhymeswithaddy]

Ill play anyone online as Dan if you want, watch your step cause i'll be dropping knowledge all night.

[specs]

I'm not cool with any character being put in the game and intended to be low-tier. Note the word "intended."

Dan can be a parody, fun to play, AND still be buffed up enough to be a contender.

[Skillmatic520]

I used Dan for jokes in an online match today against another Dan, never met or played the guy before. We hit each other enough to fill the super bar and Bam! Dual super taunts from both of us. I could not stop laughing. Apparently neither could the other guy because all we did was just taunt and let Dan be Dan for the rest of the time until the timer ran out.

Needless to say, it was epic.

That's crazy. The coolest moment I had with Dan was blocking a Cammy's ltra and responding with my own, getting the finish. Seeing Dan's Crest smile with the flashing background finish was too much.

[Vigilante8]

After playing a solid Dan (Ramza86) I only have 1 complaint... no ones taunting. :(

[specs]

After playing a solid Dan (Ramza86) I only have 1 complaint... no ones taunting. :(

Dan's taunts should buff him somehow 3S-style. Or just give meter, and be the only taunt in the game that does.

[hWnd]

I main Dan also and don't use him as an excuse when I lose or as bragging rights when I win. He's as fully designed a character as anyone else in the game, for better or worse.

You're probably right that casual/new players think winning with Dan is some miracle and huge insult. These are the folks that see Dan as "like Ryu/Ken but deliberately broken" and try to play him like Ryu/Ken. When you play him like that, winning is a miracle, but only because your opponent hasn't a clue what they're doing.

Based on my experince, playing Dan in SFIV has been the best way to adapt to the new engine. I play Ken in Super Turbo and trying to migtate to SFIV Ken feelt very strange. Switching to Dan forced me to throw away all my past experiences and start fresh. After switching to Dan I figured out how to play SFIV, with Ken I was trying to make SFIV play like Super Turbo.

So, not all Dan players are the "OMG you lost to Dan!" variety. For what it's worth, I win with him more consistently than anyone else.

The greatest trick Dan ever pulled was convincing the world he's just a gimped shoto

-h

[WaInut]

Rules about Dan: Always jump taunt when you're jumping in. Always crouch taunt if somebody's turtling and punish with a DP when they jump in because they're angry. All you need to do to win against most players.

[TheTurnipKing]

Rules about Dan: Always jump taunt when you're jumping in. Always crouch taunt if somebody's turtling and punish with a DP when they jump in because they're angry. All you need to do to win against most players.
Not "always" Air Dankuyaku is too useful to ignore, and if you're close, then you're basically giving away HP by taunting. Mix it up though, and that taunt will bring them running... at which point... DANKUYAKU!

[E C]

Dan's taunts should buff him somehow 3S-style. Or just give meter, and be the only taunt in the game that does.

Def agree. Taunting with Dan isn't nearly as special as it should be compared to other characters. Jump taunt is really the only noteworthy thing.

[56K-]

I was playing against a Ken/Sagat scrub and my mains were getting straight handled by this guy...so I picked Dan cause I practice him once in a while...

I went on a decent win streak, often hitting an ultra at the brink of death, I figure the other guy was pissed. Not sure why but everything was clicking perfectly when I used him, after that I decided to main Dan.

[sweetypiejonson]

I was playing against a Ken/Sagat scrub and my mains were getting straight handled by this guy...so I picked Dan cause I practice him once in a while...

I went on a decent win streak, often hitting an ultra at the brink of death, I figure the other guy was pissed. Not sure why but everything was clicking perfectly when I used him, after that I decided to main Dan.

people think they can stop trying when you pick dan, by the time they realize dan rapes... its too late

[Clash Samurai]

Dan needs a rolling taunt... This Dan is incomplete until he has his rolling taunt. =(

[Skillmatic520]

Today I played a Dan with 1500BP, and I used Dan too...

He beat me, but it was way close, and way awesome. I actually Super Taunted into Ultra! :wgrin:

[evilgordo]

Dan needs a rolling taunt... This Dan is incomplete until he has his rolling taunt. =(
QFT :wgrin:

[Hotobu]

I agree that Dan should get meter for taunting. I also think that he should take half damage if he's hit while air taunting. I don't like shotos in this game, and I have yet to unlock him, but the 1 or 2 Dans I've played have been unimpressive. I guess I could unlock and play with him someday though.

[E C]

Dan isn't a shoto

[parlance998]

I main Gouken, and the only gi-wearing dude that gives me trouble is Dan. Everyone else is cake, but for some reason......that pink makes my eyes bleed.

capcom should have brought back Dan's Raging Demon thing, though.

[TMTheFreak]

I've been a Dan player since MvSF. I think if he still had his roll taunts and the Otoko Michi, he could be outright lethal.

I like him because his style is different from the other Shotokans. And what a lot of casual SF players don't understand is that he has enough tools in his arsenal to throw you off your game.

I will say this...I swear the reason I get so many opponents kicking me out of the lobby is because I have his "Taunt Master" title.

[Hotobu]

I really think you all are looking at Dan through rose colored glasses. He's definitely fun to play but he's just so slow. Throwing out a normal feels like I'm fighting under water. Maybe I haven't found my groove with him yet, but to not count him among the bottom 2-3 of the cast seems to echo fanboyism.

[Chop]

The key with Dan is his meta game.

Sure he is a decent character blah blah.

But his meta game is very crucial. Taunting and provoking your opponents to do punishable moves is what can make Dan a very great character.

[BigBadBoogie]

I played a couple of awesome Dan players online last night. I beat both of them but one really made me crack up laughing in the process. At the beginning of every round, without fail... he just ran away. As soon as the round started, he'd back dash into the corner to make it look like Dan was just running from his opponent XD

[sweetypiejonson]

I really think you all are looking at Dan through rose colored glasses. He's definitely fun to play but he's just so slow. Throwing out a normal feels like I'm fighting under water. Maybe I haven't found my groove with him yet, but to not count him among the bottom 2-3 of the cast seems to echo fanboyism.

haha, you probably just suck with dan is all

[SolrFlare]

I played a couple of awesome Dan players online last night. I beat both of them but one really made me crack up laughing in the process. At the beginning of every round, without fail... he just ran away. As soon as the round started, he'd back dash into the corner to make it look like Dan was just running from his opponent XD

Haha yeah, I do that a lot too. Or I'll dash frequently away, then crouch taunt, then start dashing away again. The meta game is definitely key to Dan, and is why he's so much fun to play I think. He may not be the best character, but he's not the worst either and can hold his own when played properly.

[Gandara]

I've been playing Dan exclusively in Ranked matches for a while now. Switched to him because I became horribly bored with Ranked. Plateau'd at 2600 BP's maining Bison (Dictator), now I'm at about 1100 as the Saikyo master. Not that I'm bad with him, but rather that he's really outmatched 9/10 games. It also doesn't help that about half the time I actually -will- win, the opponent drops on me. Losing to Dan is just too much for the poor saps, I suppose. It's just fun to play as him, I find. Regardless of if I win or lose, I'm almost always happy.

Played against a Gouken player with a headset tonight, as soon as I pick Dan he starts shit-talking me, says "Oh, run back, taunt, run back, taunt, run back, dragon punch. Yay." To spite him, I do exactly this at the beginning of the match. He beats me first round, continuing to shit talk me as he does so... as I can gather, he had a friend in the room he was showing his e-peen (and most likely irl-peen) to, and had to "tough guy" it up even against a silly Dan player. Second round, he says something like "You need to at least learn your character." to which I reply, "Nah, I wouldn't want to rob you of your precious BP's. By your attitude, I can tell they mean the world to you." He finishes me off with an Ultra, says some other tough-guy thing I can't recall, and I respond by laughing and saying, "I love you."

After the match, I send him a message saying, "I come around and teach people all across the world that SFIV ranked online is a joke. If your 'tough-guy' voice communication was any indication, the joke's on you, friend." Probably the only player I've ever faced who was actually a jackass to me about my picking Dan. Had several matches in the past where the other player picks Dan along with me and we spend the majority of the match taunting each other to the great amusement of both parties. Ah well... some folks just can't get over themselves.

[JasonxxEpicxxNJ]

I never really thought of Dan as a "Joke" character I myself a Ryu/Blanka mainer I got beat by a Dan really good one time no shame I consider him better then Seth I fought a few Seths online not even a challenge no matter how good they were the man can't take no more then 4 hits no joke plus get stunned on the 2nd hit.

[Murray-5]

the koryuken is insane, it's truly the ace in dan's bulging pack

[Chop]

dan's bulging pack

Woooooah.:rofl:

[BigBadBoogie]

So far I main Akuma, E.Honda is my sub and I'm trying to learn Gouken... but I'm totally picking up Dan next :D

[Renesis7]

the koryuken is insane, it's truly the ace in dan's bulging pack

im always wondering about his outfit.. almost looks like he's wearing a fanny pack.. is that just hi gi folded up weird? or.....?:confused:

[Chop]

All this talk about Dans package...

I just dont see it.

[sweetypiejonson]

I've been playing Dan exclusively in Ranked matches for a while now. Switched to him because I became horribly bored with Ranked. Plateau'd at 2600 BP's maining Bison (Dictator), now I'm at about 1100 as the Saikyo master. Not that I'm bad with him, but rather that he's really outmatched 9/10 games. It also doesn't help that about half the time I actually -will- win, the opponent drops on me. Losing to Dan is just too much for the poor saps, I suppose. It's just fun to play as him, I find. Regardless of if I win or lose, I'm almost always happy.

Played against a Gouken player with a headset tonight, as soon as I pick Dan he starts shit-talking me, says "Oh, run back, taunt, run back, taunt, run back, dragon punch. Yay." To spite him, I do exactly this at the beginning of the match. He beats me first round, continuing to shit talk me as he does so... as I can gather, he had a friend in the room he was showing his e-peen (and most likely irl-peen) to, and had to "tough guy" it up even against a silly Dan player. Second round, he says something like "You need to at least learn your character." to which I reply, "Nah, I wouldn't want to rob you of your precious BP's. By your attitude, I can tell they mean the world to you." He finishes me off with an Ultra, says some other tough-guy thing I can't recall, and I respond by laughing and saying, "I love you."

After the match, I send him a message saying, "I come around and teach people all across the world that SFIV ranked online is a joke. If your 'tough-guy' voice communication was any indication, the joke's on you, friend." Probably the only player I've ever faced who was actually a jackass to me about my picking Dan. Had several matches in the past where the other player picks Dan along with me and we spend the majority of the match taunting each other to the great amusement of both parties. Ah well... some folks just can't get over themselves.

haha i love how fucking tough people think they are in sf, like it really matters... i also stopped playing ranked, its just lame. strange though how you got shit talked for picking dan, like hes a cheap character or something ha. whenever both my oppenent and i have mics i always say to the person, im not picking dan to rub it in your face, i just like dan and hes really no tthat bad in this game

[Murray-5]

im always wondering about his outfit.. almost looks like he's wearing a fanny pack.. is that just hi gi folded up weird? or.....?:confused:

like a donkey mate. www.hibikiuncut.com

[ClxJames]

#1 rule always taunt wit Dan because he has style. :rofl:
I love jumping backwards and taunting people.

btw, your avatar is hilarious

[tronimrich]

As a beginner to SF Dan is really appealing to me. His moves seem more user friendly (less punish time on them it feels).

My better character is Cammy, and when people start counter picking Dan usually does the job, oddly :D

[TheTurnipKing]

I really think you all are looking at Dan through rose colored glasses. He's definitely fun to play but he's just so slow. Throwing out a normal feels like I'm fighting under water. Maybe I haven't found my groove with him yet, but to not count him among the bottom 2-3 of the cast seems to echo fanboyism.
SFIV is the first time I've used him to any great degree. The thing is, his timing is slower than the other shoto fighters, but he's great training for using them. Going back to Ryu or Ken after using Dan and suddenly you feel like you've just taken off training weights.

And yet I still keep picking Dan, because he's just SO MUCH FUN to play as after you get used to his foibles.

[Kikuichimonji]

Taunting with Dan is so crucial that even the computer does it. You cannot play dan correctly without taunting.

[D_Davis]

I started playing as Dan last night, and lost 2000 BP, but it was the most fun I've ever had playing SFIV. Since SFII, I've played nothing but charge characters, so playing a non-charge is blowing my mind.

Basically, I've come to this conclusion:

I will never be an amazing SF player, but I love playing, and I love having fun. So basically, I am now only playing as Dan.

I do lots of taunts, I run away all the time, and I am constantly talking smack.

When fighting Sagat, I'll tell the other play, "Just go into the corner and cast your fire truck spell - I want to practice my blocking." Then I'll block the whole game and lose from chip damage.

I then thank him for helping me learn how to block.

Stuff like that.

It's so much fun.

:)

[jdub03]

I use Dan for two reasons only.

#1 Taunt #9. It's so awesome. There's no denying it.

#2 Super Taunt into ultra is bad-ass.

[56K-]

This is quite odd...with Dan I couldn't get past 1000 BP and often slipped back into the low hundreds. I switched to Dictator and got up to 2200 BP. Now I've hit a wall with Bison and can't increased, I switched back to Dan and now i'm winning more lol

Maybe Dictator's made me better overall? With Dictator I usually pressure people in the corner, now i'm doing the same with Dan ;D

[Muncheez117]

Dan=shame

[Wonder_Chef]

I was sitting at 2994 BP, trying to get past 3k last night (For the second time, mind you.)

I beat someone with my main, Fuerte. Yay! Connection with the opponent has been lost.

Oh well, a ragequitter. Let's try again.

I beat a Balrog with Fuerte again. Yay! Connection with the opponent has been lost.

Oh no freakin way...

Guess I'll just beat this Honda with Fuerte... Connection with the opponent has been lost.

GTFO.


Next guy I go up against picks Gief. SCREAMING OYAAAAAAAJIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!! AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS, I FINALLY REACH 3k BY CHOOSING DAN.

Because when you beat someone with Dan, they don't have time to ragequit!

[Ramza86]

I was sitting at 2994 BP, trying to get past 3k last night (For the second time, mind you.)

I beat someone with my main, Fuerte. Yay! Connection with the opponent has been lost.

Oh well, a ragequitter. Let's try again.

I beat a Balrog with Fuerte again. Yay! Connection with the opponent has been lost.

Oh no freakin way...

Guess I'll just beat this Honda with Fuerte... Connection with the opponent has been lost.

GTFO.


Next guy I go up against picks Gief. SCREAMING OYAAAAAAAJIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!! AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS, I FINALLY REACH 3k BY CHOOSING DAN.

Because when you beat someone with Dan, they don't have time to ragequit!

lol yeah because they are either stunned, laughing...or their stick/control is out the window


and yeah the best I got dan too was around 1700....then I would just face crap matchups...id still be way better...but the players are clueless and punish me with random shit...dan is just...ugh...

im around 3400 with an awful sagat lol....im so bad with sagat...but its so easy to win....but I do so fucking much with dan just to barely beat some random ass scrub...

[sweetypiejonson]

lol yeah because they are either stunned, laughing...or their stick/control is out the window


and yeah the best I got dan too was around 1700....then I would just face crap matchups...id still be way better...but the players are clueless and punish me with random shit...dan is just...ugh...

im around 3400 with an awful sagat lol....im so bad with sagat...but its so easy to win....but I do so fucking much with dan just to barely beat some random ass scrub...
one day, your training will pay off young one. do not stray from the chosen path:china:

[Murray-5]

I do so fucking much with dan just to barely beat some random ass scrub...

that's my favourite part about daniel, every match feels like an epic struggle for survival...
'it's not about the winning, but the taking part'

[thirdratefighter]

I haven't played any street fighter game that featured Dan, so I can't speak of his effectiveness in those games. I played a lot of SFII and remix, so upon release of SFIV I had never even heard of Dan until I unlocked him. He was immediately the greatest character for me because of his attitude. I don't take the game too seriously so it works out ok.

I don't feel like I'm embarrassing anyone by picking Dan, however that perception seems to always be in my opponent's head. I can't recall the number of people that have ragequit player matches when I'm winning as Dan. He has some nice combos and I'll never tire of cancelling super taunt into ultra. Some fights are pretty tough though. Recently I've been having problems against good defensive players. Sometimes its impossible to for me to get in close, but its something to work on.

[D_Davis]

My plan is backfiring.

Lately, I've been playing Honda, earning up to about 2000 BP, and then switching to Dan, at which point I lose and go all the way down to 0 BP.

However - something strange happened last night whilst playing Dan.

I started winning.

Sure, I'm only beating Ken scrubs (and some other characters as well), but I'm actually starting to get okay with the bumbling fighter. I'm now hovering around 600 BP, and still getting better with D.

:)

[Kikuichimonji]

My plan is backfiring.

Lately, I've been playing Honda, earning up to about 2000 BP, and then switching to Dan, at which point I lose and go all the way down to 0 BP.

However - something strange happened last night whilst playing Dan.

I started winning.

Sure, I'm only beating Ken scrubs (and some other characters as well), but I'm actually starting to get okay with the bumbling fighter. I'm now hovering around 600 BP, and still getting better with D.

:)The best way to beat Ken scrubs with Dan is just LK Dan Knee all day on their wakeup. You'll beat their reversal shoryukens like five times before they wise up.

[Skillmatic520]

The best way to beat Ken scrubs with Dan is just LK Dan Knee all day on their wakeup. You'll beat their reversal shoryukens like five times before they wise up.

Wy not block the wake-up and then get 'em with a Koryu on their recovery?

[Kikuichimonji]

Wy not block the wake-up and then get 'em with a Koryu on their recovery?Because Ken scrubs will refuse to believe that their shoryuken got beat legitimately, and also LK Dan Knee gives you a tick throw afterwards.

[D_Davis]

I like doing both. lk Dan-knee sometimes, and other times I just block and then throw them after the whiff.

I love how desperate scrubs get when they are losing to Dan - they start jumping around, throwing fire balls, kicking and punching. It's hilarious. Especially since I don't care if I win or not - it's just playing as Dan.

[hWnd]

2500 BP and counting, all with Dan

I love this guy.

-h

[D_Davis]

^Nice!

I just had two Kens in a row rage quit right when I was about to land the final blow.

Sent them each a message - You just lost to Dan, Scrub.

[Batsu]

I use Dan for two reasons only.

#1 Taunt #9. It's so awesome. There's no denying it.

#2 Super Taunt into ultra is bad-ass.

LMFAO.... Taunt 9 is the funniest thing Dan has ever done in a fighting game, PERIOD.

I always use that, and if someone gets dizzied, they will see it.

[LimeGreenPatato]

dan is fun to play. i beat the majority of people i play when i use him

[thelegendofjbc]

I think dans definitely going to be a step above the fuerte/vega tier.


maybe.. but a gg vega is the worst vs dan. but inb over general play i can c where u r comin from.

[thelegendofjbc]

LMFAO.... Taunt 9 is the funniest thing Dan has ever done in a fighting game, PERIOD.

I always use that, and if someone gets dizzied, they will see it.

i did the survival trial specifically for this taunt. best taunt ever.. good enough to bring a turtling ryu out of his shell. and i use this taunt w/ cancel anytime i get 2 seconds of space. PUT YOUR BACK INTO IT!!!!

[thelegendofjbc]

Because Ken scrubs will refuse to believe that their shoryuken got beat legitimately, and also LK Dan Knee gives you a tick throw afterwards.


LOL i love ken scrubs..
. My favorite part.. ken wakes up into his ultra, from me performing a back dash focus cancel, then a #9 taunt cancel into the greatest ultra in the game .. the perly white strike LOL!!!

then i message them with " that was Dantastic"

[thelegendofjbc]

one day, your training will pay off young one. do not stray from the chosen path:china:

listen to these words because.. i can beat 6k BP shotos like 40% of the time. Now thats Dantastic

[D_Davis]

Since I've switched to Dan, and I've started winning a few matches, I've had more rage quitters than ever before.

I just WORKED some dude playing as Gen, and he RC'ed before the first match was over.

I always send these jerks the same message: You just lost to Dan, scrub!

The Gen-dude replied back, "I'm not in the mood to play against cheaters."

SCRUB!

[mariblanka]

im a lucky guy cuz my most favorite character is blanka since SF2... and now dan is finally playable! i love doing mind games with blanka, but mind games with dan is even more challenging and lulzworthy.

im so glad blanka and dan are best friends :'D i just use both of them to completely annihilate shotos with the former and completely humiliate shotos with the latter.

all thats left is for me to learn sakura and the saikyo team is complete!!!!

[D_Davis]

Since SFII was released in the arcades, I've never played a shoto-type character; I've always played charge characters. I was just never good at doing the QCF-type movements.

But lately I've been playing as Dan, and I've been loving it.

However, last night I tried Ryu for the very first time, and it was like having training wheels removed. My punches and kicks were powerful, my fireballs were HUGE, and I felt totally awesome. It was crazy. Practicing with Dan has made a big difference in how I approach SF in general.

[OuTk@sT]

There's nothign more satisfying than saving your super to do the super taunt, then having your opponent start up their ultra as you cancel your taunt into your own ultra, that just so happens to be FTMFW.

WoooHooo!

[mariblanka]

just had one of the most satisfying wins with dan lately;

vs. ken, best out of 5 (winning 2 is hard enough but 3?)

but yeah anyways i completely punished the ken to the point of stun on the third round, had super and decided to super taunt him while hes dizzy (orgasmic) and then finished with the ex koryu for the win

dan hibiki; youre my hero.

[Raynbeaux]

Can someone who isn't one of us clueless 09 scrubs settle the question once and for all?

::: Is Dan a nerfed Ken/Ryu, or is Dan his own man? :::

It seems to me like he's faster and harder to punish than Ken/Ryu, but the tradeoff is that he has no long range fireball chip damage. Which isn't an issue at all to hardcore players anyway, as I understand it

[SaikyoBeast]

Tell me a decisive advantage he has over Ryu or Ken. Something he can do that they can't that isn't just totally awesome, but that will help him in a match between skilled players.

His srk is just as punishable as theirs. His dankukyaku is no more safe than their hurricane kicks.

He's a bad character. That's it. Don't delude yourself.

But don't let it dissuade you from playing him! Saikyo Power!

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My current replay is dan v ryu! If your opponent is bad enough to let you abuse focus attacks and get away with wakeup ultras, you're set!

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I'm kidding.

[tolore]

you should look at dans frame data before you say faster/harder to punish, dan's frame data makes me ever so sad :(.

[Kikuichimonji]

Tell me a decisive advantage he has over Ryu or Ken. Something he can do that they can't that isn't just totally awesome, but that will help him in a match between skilled players.

His srk is just as punishable as theirs. His dankukyaku is no more safe than their hurricane kicks. .Dan's lk Dan Kick is totally safe on block. IE +0 at worst, and you can get massive frame advantage if it's on wakeup or from far away. mk Dan Kick is safer than thes shotos' mk. Dan's koryuken hits at an angle that can actually stuff Dictator's headstomp if timed correctly (don't do this, it's not worth the risk). Dan has an ultra that has good range and goes through fireballs. At mid-range they can't throw fireballs at Dan. Dan also has a pretty good focus attack. Don't say that Dan is just a nerfed shoto, he is a completely different character. He is worse overall, but that's not because all of his moves are worse versions of the other characters'.

On their wakeup, lk Dan Knee beats reversal shoryukens, and versus Tiger Uppercuts and EX shoryus, both whiff and you get to punish. IE they have to block on their wakeup and give you the chip and frame advantage. This works versus most ultras as well (both whiff). This gives you a chance to either cross them up or tick throw them, or just go into a blockstring. Or you can do the crossup knee -> throw when they get used to blocking. And if you get a lk Dan Knee in the corner, you can do an EX koryu. Dan has the best safe pressure on the opponent's wakeup in the game.

[SaikyoBeast]

Dan's lk Dan Kick is totally safe on block. IE +0 at worst, and you can get massive frame advantage if it's on wakeup or from far away. mk Dan Kick is safer than thes shotos' mk. Dan's koryuken hits at an angle that can actually stuff Dictator's headstomp if timed correctly (don't do this, it's not worth the risk). Dan has an ultra that has good range and goes through fireballs. At mid-range they can't throw fireballs at Dan. Dan also has a pretty good focus attack. Don't say that Dan is just a nerfed shoto, he is a completely different character. He is worse overall, but that's not because all of his moves are worse versions of the other characters'.

Good info! I didn't mean that he was worse ONLY because of the comparable moves, but because of the other tools they have. I would KILL for Ken's f+mk, or some more safe moves. (that is, pokes...i can't really hang in footsies as dan. i would rather like to tack this up to user error though)


On their wakeup, lk Dan Knee beats reversal shoryukens, and versus Tiger Uppercuts and EX shoryus, both whiff and you get to punish. IE they have to block on their wakeup and give you the chip and frame advantage. This works versus most ultras as well (both whiff). This gives you a chance to either cross them up or tick throw them, or just go into a blockstring. Or you can do the crossup knee -> throw when they get used to blocking. And if you get a lk Dan Knee in the corner, you can do an EX koryu. Dan has the best safe pressure on the opponent's wakeup in the game.

I knew all this, but for some reason when you wrote it down it kind of made me feel silly :rofl:

I'm at G2-E with the Saikyo master right now.

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fighting saqs right now

o shit he just duo perfected me

[Xgrayninja]

I actually don't get angry at all when I lose to a Dan. I main Vega, and I can tell you both of them are pretty much equal in terms of crappiness and bad matchups. It's kind of silly that alot of players use him as a "humiliation character" when he's actually just as usable as anyone else.

[CWFPresidentAri]

Dan is used for punishing Shoto-scrubs online, ESPECIALLY "Flowchart Ken" users.

I can recall the most epic punishment I've ever dealt out. It was against an Akuma player, who, on the verge of defeat, unleashed his Raging Demon Ultra Combo. I (as Dan) was just springing to my feet. The very instant before he hit, busted out Dan's Shisso Buraiken.

The guy on the other side had an aneurysm watching his ultra combo get utterly REJECTED by someone he thought he could beat with air fireballs and nothing else.

[tsd]

After playing a solid Dan (Ramza86) I only have 1 complaint... no ones taunting. :(

I only taunt if someone is turtling or I smacked their ass around and have a big health advantage.

I havent used anyone but Dan online, nearing a 60% win ratio. (it was atrocious at the beginning(maybe won 1 out of every 3-4) I didnt get SF4 until awhile after release, and hadnt played an SF game in a couple years) now im the opposite I win at a ratio of about 3/4-1 Got my 10 consecutive win trophy with dan.

I was a Ken person prior to SF4, I played random initially when I started, but realized I needed to master someone to compete, EVERYONE, is Ryu Ken akuma Sagat. So I chose Dan since no one seemed to use him, (I have yet to fight another Dan player).

He really has some surprising advantages. the saikyo KNEE rules the air( unless you get DPed of course). the dan kick medium and hard if executed at the right distance, doesnt leave him exposed even if blocked. The dan fire ball is extremely useful as a counter to wake ups (mostly because no one expects it to be used)

The only characters that give me trouble on a repeated basis are Blanka and Honda. If you can close distance they arent much of a problem or time Koryukens properly onn their head butts/balls. Mostly they are a big pain in the ass.

[crankypunk]

Since I've switched to Dan, and I've started winning a few matches, I've had more rage quitters than ever before.

I just WORKED some dude playing as Gen, and he RC'ed before the first match was over.

I always send these jerks the same message: You just lost to Dan, scrub!

The Gen-dude replied back, "I'm not in the mood to play against cheaters."

SCRUB!

Ill never understand why you would msg someone "You just lost to Dan, scrub"
youre making yourself looking like a moron ... IMO ...

I started maining Dan this week because i wanted someone new to play with and im a Ryu - Ken guy sicne SFII days .. i find hes a good player to use and fun to play as simple as that ... I dont go thinking of i lost because im using him or ohh i just beat a Ken, Ryu, Sagat, Bison and so on ... with dan im a king .
Its a game .. play it enjoy it .. stop being big babys ... how old are you people ...
jeez ... :zzz:

[Kikuichimonji]

Ill never understand why you would msg someone "You just lost to Dan, scrub"
youre making yourself looking like a moron ... IMO ...

I started maining Dan this week because i wanted someone new to play with and im a Ryu - Ken guy sicne SFII days .. i find hes a good player to use and fun to play as simple as that ... I dont go thinking of i lost because im using him or ohh i just beat a Ken, Ryu, Sagat, Bison and so on ... with dan im a king .
Its a game .. play it enjoy it .. stop being big babys ... how old are you people ...
jeez ... :zzz:He's saying if someone drops on him. I think this is a perfectly valid reaction.

[booty clapper]

Most of the time when I pick dan straight off the bat people try and use a character they don't use all the time. But as soon as the saikyo power hits their face and they lose we go back to the char. screen they rush straight for their main mostly ken,ryu, sagat.

Again I'm not trying to insult anyone he's just fun to use. I guess they feel as if I'm mocking them when really I'm just trying to have some fun.

[HaganeDan]

Since I've switched to Dan, and I've started winning a few matches, I've had more rage quitters than ever before.

I just WORKED some dude playing as Gen, and he RC'ed before the first match was over.

I always send these jerks the same message: You just lost to Dan, scrub!

The Gen-dude replied back, "I'm not in the mood to play against cheaters."

SCRUB!

First post! This Dan section just made me register because I love it! And this quote in particular. I am a poor Street Fighter player but a massive fan - have to keep the faith- and am fine with losing! I usually use ... ahem, Ken or Honda but started using Dan as alot of online competiton blows me out of the water.

As opposed to the usual "All Out Offence" people would normally throw at my Ken - people take a step back from my Dan and, hell, I even win now...

Dan is my favourite!

[MajinSSJ6Goku]

I get hate mail daily. I play Dan only in championship mode and even got a replay up. I an G2-C with dan....

[tolore]

I never get hate mail I'm jealous, people always just want rematches or compliment me on awesomeness!

[crankypunk]

playing Dan in G2 is a little harder .. but maybe its because im just an average player got a few rounds with him and only one win in G2 for now .. gotta work on the mind games hehe
OT: I find G2 players are more "mature" (not all of them lol) but its not a rush game its a strategy game now so gotta work on my Dan now :)

Dan 4 life :rock:

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[GATOR]

honestly when someone picks dan I just play them hard the first round and see how they are playing. I had one kid in g2 use dan... I think he expected me to play a run away akuma and just taunt me or.. something..lol. Perfected him the first round. I don't think he even attacked the whole second round... I just sat and waited to see if something was wrong. He walked towards me.. and then would run away.. walk towards me.. then run away. Let him do this for about 30 second before I threw a fireball and he started actually playing..lol. Sent him a message that said "???? u okay??" His/Her response was "SAIKYO POWER!!!"

lol...dan is funny :)