Practice your Super Jump Canceled Focus Attacks

[Kunai]

Remember when I said that far standing HP could be canceled into special moves and super jumps? Well, you can also practice canceling into Focus Attacks... and even Super Jump Canceled Focus Attacks.

Go ahead and try it in Training Mode. With no meter, try to do far Standing Fierce and then midway just cancel into a Focus Attack. Can't be done, right? Now, try doing it using SJC. Basically, it's not possible to do Focus Attacks from far standing HP unless you have 2 EX bars, so this is probably the best way to check and see if you are doing it right.

Timing is a little tough, but to me it's about as fast as doing a Kara Throw for Ken.

Hopefully, this will help your timing with SJC Focus Attacks.

Note: You can cancel a far standing HP with a Focus Attack using 2 EX Bars, without using SJC.

EDIT: I don't know if this has any practical use, because I'm still having a hard time linking a SJC normal or special into a SJCed Focus Attack.

[GalzPanic]

If anyone can get that down, it will be pretty mean. Howabout plain jab seismo into that - cancel at 2 bar discount

[Casanova]

I think I did this once completely on accident. But I hope you guys see that if anyone could do this consistently, it would seriously add some intimidation to Viper's game.

I'd say that free Focus Cancels almost make up for Viper's otherwise crappy FA, wouldn't you?

[Effay]

I'm a tad confused (newcomer here, be gentle)

So are we:


Standing HP, then SJC, then focus

or

Standing HP, Focus, SJC ?

[Kunai]

I'm a tad confused (newcomer here, be gentle)

So are we:


Standing HP, then SJC, then focus

or

Standing HP, Focus, SJC ?

Do the standing HP first, then do a Super Jump (tap down, then up real quick), then do Focus Attack (MP+MK).

SJ from standing HP into gives you lot of leeway to perform the Focus Attack and is a great way to visually confirm that you are doing it correctly. To do it in a combo is difficult in itself, but at least you would know the basic timing of it.

To do this in an actual game may not be practical, though. This is just for practice.

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:sad:

this is pretty sick considering you can SJC into any of her specials

[Jarekov]

yeah i started doing the sjc into FA alot and it has some pretty sick uses, if you whiff a ex seismo it makes it a bit more safe, also if you hit with ex seismo you can sjc FA cancel and do her ultra the timing is pretty strict but some people might have an easier time with this then her ex seismo hjc burning kick ultra combo, also it is fun as hell to be doing a block string and throw out a random FA and mix that up, good find man

[isurus]

ok dumb question #2...

when you say far standing HP, do you mean i need to be far away where she does the vertical chop animation and it connects (or is blocked)... or that i'm so far away that the attack will just whiff?

[Kunai]

ok dumb question #2...

when you say far standing HP, do you mean i need to be far away where she does the vertical chop animation and it connects (or is blocked)... or that i'm so far away that the attack will just whiff?

If you are doing the chop motion, you are doing far standing HP. If you are too close to the person, you will do her quick elbow attack to the face.

[isurus]

So the lesson here is to learn how to SJC cancel a Seismo or Thunder Knuckle and then focus attack so you don't use 2 EX bars, is that right? Ok, that's cool.

[Kunai]

So the lesson here is to learn how to SJC cancel a Seismo or Thunder Knuckle and then focus attack so you don't use 2 EX bars, is that right? Ok, that's cool.

Well, as I said before, this is an easier way to practice at first to get the feel of super-jump-canceling into a Focus Attack. The move itself (far standing HP into FA) is useless but it may help people understand the timing a little better.

[ShadowKnight517]

I dont get what this is suppose to do =[

[The RedEye]

I'm new in trying to learn cviper and don't quite understand the SJC myself either. So let me try to explain what I understand and please correct me if I'm wrong.

SJ can cancel most normals and special moves. SJC is canceling the SJ into a normal or special move. So after an attack, you can cancel into SJ into another move. And if I'm right you have to get this done in kara speed. So you are essentially double kara canceling. You kara into super jump and kara into your next attack. And if done fast enough you actually register as if you're on the ground. Am I getting this right?

Okay, so if this is true, why can't you just infinite with thunder knuckle SJC thunder knuckle?

[Pasqual]

Wrong information, sorry.

[The RedEye]

So do you input the SJC AND the next move after the SJC (in this case the focus attack) in the time it takes for the first attack to startup? Even before the active frames so that you cancel the recovery into SJC and cancel SJC into another attack? All that before the attack becomes active. That's... FRIGGIN HARD

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding. Gimme hope that I can play as viper.

As for the infinite question, I meant why not completely screw the focus attack. Just thunder knuckle->xx->SJC->medium punch->Thunder knuckle->xx->SJC->medium punch->Thunder knuckle->(rinse repeat)

[MAGUS1234]

you guys are thinking waay too hard. This is simply a way to input the sj while the starting frames of the fp keep you grounded, then you go into save strike so you dont leave the ground. what it looks like is her hand reaching back, then you go into save stance...tada :/

[Pasqual]

Wait... so the idea is to cancel out of the HP before it even comes out?

[MAGUS1234]

ya, so you get used to when you need to hit save strike out of a move durring the sj cancel

[Pasqual]

Aw, okay. Should still have some interesting uses but not as awesome as what I was thinking.

[The RedEye]

so it's a free focus cancel. that's actually pretty big. If they block, you dash back for free safely. no real punishment. And if they try to punish and you have meter, you can punish back. How is this not anything other than a very nice move?

That said, was I right with the whole timing thing of SJC in general?

[ShadowKnight517]

I dont really understand what your trying to say here lol
Could you explain it to me a little more so I can try it please =[
Thanks and much appreciated!

[Wu-Renegade]

This is hard LOL. I need to see a demonstration. I can do the Hp into SJ but not the FA after it..

[H. Knight]

I tried this out randomly today in training mode after remembering this thread, and I got it right on the first try. It's very easy, actually.

What you do is start the f.P, but cancel before it comes out. So you input either :qcb::ub: or :qcf::uf: just as you tap f.P, then hit focus attack. Very simple. I wouldn't try to tap into sjc, just do a smooth swivel, which is much simpler. Tap is inconsistent. The above sj motion is what I use to high jump already anyway.

But if you're too close to the opponent, EX focus comes out instead, so practice the distance correctly.

[Keizion]

I tried this out randomly today in training mode after remembering this thread, and I got it right on the first try. It's very easy, actually.

What you do is start the f.P, but cancel before it comes out. So you input either :qcb::ub: or :qcf::uf: just as you tap f.P, then hit focus attack. Very simple. I wouldn't try to tap into sjc, just do a smooth swivel, which is much simpler. Tap is inconsistent. The above sj motion is what I use to high jump already anyway.

But if you're too close to the opponent, EX focus comes out instead, so practice the distance correctly.

It's not really a distance thing to it, if you can the move in question is SJCable and EX Focus cancellable then you can SJC Focus the move.

[jpr333]

Ok so ive been playing around with this specifically with dashing out of a normal seismo into ultra. I realised the hardest part is actually getting a FA to come out after the SJC cause the window is kinda small, so the method i found worked best (at least on xbox 360 stock controller) for me was:

sesimo, df, du(roll up)+FA, F+FA, ultra

This way you have more of a chance the FA will come out by tapping it twice quickly and it will always dash because of all the f's in that sequence. Still not getting it to go consistently tho since im handicapped by the controller.

[trinifella1]

Just picked up viper tonight (fell in love after doing her trial combos for the first time). It looks cool how she goes for the chop and immediately does the FA elbow. I'm still trying to see if i can think about instances where this will be useful. RedEye you said earlier in the post that it was a free FA cancel, but I just can't see the point doing it knowing that the FP is going to whiff. Y not just do a regular lvl1 FA in the 1st place? I'm probably thinking about it wrong I dunno yet

[jpr333]

See the moveset stickied thread, u can cancel the animation into anything pretty much, sj, seismo, bk, tk, so its just another quick fake u can throw in before you do a move. People with good refelxes might bite and throw a fireball or whatever which might leave them vulnerable.

[ShinobiBrown]

So I assume that everyone knows about how you can FADC to ultra without wasting 2 bars with HJC'd FA. My question is do you actually dash forward before the FA hits or after?

I, personally, think it's a hell of a lot easier to just let the lvl 1 FA hit, dash forward, and then do ultra because it juggles anyway.

So what I do is:

:dp::2p: - :qcb::ub::mp:+:mk: - :r::r: - :qcf::qcf::3p:

I only tap :mp:+:mk: for level 1 FA and dash forward after it hits.