El Fuerte & his psuedo infinites

[Daemos]

Any ideas on how to deal with them? I am fully aware that he is a weak character, however he has this move where he continuously slams his body against me on wake up and I can't seem able to block it and rarely jump away. Today was the first time I actually fought an El Fuerte online so it came as a surprise to me that a tactic like this went unnoticed. Anyone having trouble with him or rather any tips at avoiding his psuedo-infinite(s)?

[Valaris]

If you get hit once and see he's going for it again, just teleport away during wake up.

[Daemos]

I figured that out, but is it the only way?

[frostycyke]

Bison has many ways to get out of those kinda of situations during wake-up- EX DR, PC, Slide, FA, a simply back dash, teleport...

[Daemos]

Slide doesn't work, FA if timed correctly but usually El Fuerte is already on top of you on wake up. EX PC could work and EX DR as well, but I would be wasting an ex bar just escape something so pathetic?! I'm not even in the corner!

[Count GRIMM]

if you're concerned about using EX then teleport and backdash really are the most reliable things you can do.

From the sounds of it though the El Feurte player seems to be tostada pressing or w/e it's called you a lot cause he's aiming it to work like a cross over. So try blocking it like it as a crossover. i'm pretty sure you'll be able to block it from there. If you're guessing which side to block then teleport or backdash is good and EX's if all else fails.

[Mariodood]

Yeah hes prolly just doing it crossup, so just block it. Or you can do focus attack -> backdash. Or teleport.

What you're talking about is not Fuerte's "infinite", it's not a combo at all. It's just Tostada bullshit.

[Daemos]

Hence the appropriate usage of "psuedo-infinite" aka Tostada bullshit! It most likely is a cross up I'll need to fight another Fuerte (if I can find them online) to test it out better. Teleport-on-wake-up is the best solution.

On the bright side, I'm rarely losing to Balrogs (Boxers) since I figured out their shit with my dictator. YAY! >_<'

[Ben Reed]

Except that that's not Fuerte's pseudo-infinite, which refers SPECIFICALLY to his "close HP xx qcf + P, LP cancel, repeat loop" (aka Run Stop Fierce or RSF). The term pseudo-infinite almost always refers to a combo that is not TECHNICALLY an infinite, but tends to practically function ALMOST like a true infinite.

Repeated Tostada Press crossup isn't a pseudo-infinite because it's not a combo. All you have to do is guess the correct direction to block, and you're free. In an infinite/pseudo-infinite, you're stuck in hitstun, and you're not getting out until the opponent either ends the combo or messes it up.

[Daemos]

Well when I was stuck in one place for an entire round with this midget slamming his body against my dictator continuously and consecutively, while I desperately and helplessly tried to figure out what the hell is going on (given this was actually my first battle with a human El Fuerte), it fucking felt like a PSUEDO-INFINITE! Jeez, I *know* what an infinite is. >_>

[jim_kim]

dash back, teleport are if you don't have meter

if you do have meter, EX DR is your best bet. I don't see why it's considered "wasting" when you're using it to escape something you're getting hit with constantly. It's only a waste if you use it to escape and then dash back in thinking that you can just go aggressive on him.

[Ajil]

EDIT: Ah you are talking about the splash. Your best bet is to try and avoid being knocked down. If that fails, you can teleport, focus attack, ex DR, ex SK, ex Pc and I think backdash works sometimes as well. Or attempt to block it, which is hard, especially once they start mixing in the throw thingy.
PS
According to the march tier list, el fuerte is in the same tier as bison, the A tier.

[Daemos]

EDIT: Ah you are talking about the splash. Your best bet is to try and avoid being knocked down. If that fails, you can teleport, focus attack, ex DR, ex SK, ex Pc and I think backdash works sometimes as well. Or attempt to block it, which is hard, especially once they start mixing in the throw thingy.
PS
According to the march tier list, el fuerte is in the same tier as bison, the A tier.

Actually as long as I didn't get knocked down and "splashed" over and over, Fuerte was actually extremely easy for me to deal with. The only way my opponent could defeat me is by doing that tactic of repeated body splashes and it was so frustrating, I can't believe Capcom would overlook something so very easy to abuse; this isn't Mortal Kombat.

[fallot]

This isn't something they overlooked. Its El Fuerte's strength, if he puts you in that position you have to deal with it. Its not even close to being as bad as ST Vega wall-dive shenanigans, you guess right a lot less and once you do its easier to not get in that position again.

[Daemos]

I'll have to fight more El Fuertes to know how to deal with him better. Recently I have gotten over Boxer and no longer have a hard time with him in the hands similarly skilled players. However, I've never seen an El Fuerte before this guy so it was a very new experience and I enjoyed having my ass handed to me. ^_^'

[BisonDictator]

While we are on the this subject, what about when Fuerte does the flying throw similar to the splash but instead runs up and jumps on your head and throws you. I have tried backdashing and I am not very consistant with teleporting. Is teleporting the only escape in this situation?

[Elements]

If your going to listen to anyone might as well listen to a fuerte player. I main Bison with fuerte as my backup. He is tostada pressing you.. it can be a cross up on wake up. So Block the cross up.. Problem is you don't know if it is going to be a cross up press or a tortilla propeller his 2nd dash grab. You have to guess / figure out his combination. Fuerte players who don't know how to do RSF Rely on pure cross up patterns. We have no real combos other then RSF / j.hp s.fk xx guacamole leg throw.

Your best answer is Teleport or EX Scissors for the invincibilty frames. I can jump in training mode and see if the PC is safe but I doubt it.

Edit to answer post above me.. Press up.... it nulls the grab. If you predict right you can neutral jump fierce kick.

[zeno]

Any ideas on how to deal with them? I am fully aware that he is a weak character, however he has this move where he continuously slams his body against me on wake up and I can't seem able to block it and rarely jump away. Today was the first time I actually fought an El Fuerte online so it came as a surprise to me that a tactic like this went unnoticed. Anyone having trouble with him or rather any tips at avoiding his psuedo-infinite(s)?

I think everyone pretty much listed out all of bison options for when you're stuck in an oki mix up with elf.

Splash: block high, possible mix up which is ambiguous as fuck
Throw: jump up, punish with neutral j.hk -> combo
slide: block low, punish with whatever

of course EX whatever beats every tostada options, so does a well timed bison teleport.

Aside from that, the best way to avoid mix up tactics is not to get caught by it in the first place, because they're designed to be nasty and put you at a disadvantage in terms of yomi. It's easy for bison to deal with elf's mix ups if you're on your feet, as FADC absorbs 2/3 attacks(read character matchup thread for more details). If you find yourself getting knocked down a lot, then you're not pressing back at elf hard enough. Like you said elf is a relatively weak character, you should be able to out-perform him in pressure games at equal levels of skill.

[theloserboy]

Hence the appropriate usage of "psuedo-infinite" aka Tostada bullshit! It most likely is a cross up I'll need to fight another Fuerte (if I can find them online) to test it out better. Teleport-on-wake-up is the best solution.

On the bright side, I'm rarely losing to Balrogs (Boxers) since I figured out their shit with my dictator. YAY! >_<'

El Feurte online is one of the most frustraing things ever. The slight delay in either lag or button delay makes it way harder to avoid his bs. My success against Feurte is usually cornering his ass. Anyone doing stupid tostada slams and tortilla throws on wake-up is almost certainly a pattern playered idiot. Once in the corner, all they can think of doing is to walljump out. S.HK that asshole to death!

[YimpyDimpy]

fuerte is my least favorite matchup. I just get flustered and start missing easy reversals. He takes me right out of my game. And his damn ultra seems impossible to avoid if you are even remotely close to him.

[Cryoh]

If you aren't committed to a move during Elf's ultra freeze, jump out of the ultra.