Hail Combofiend

[Kryojenix]

combofiend has the best c.viper IN TEH WORLD! i my not know much about viper but combo's mindgames and combo blow all others out fo the water. kaqn ain't got shit cuz combo's got tricks for days rofl. he even uses focus attack well and viper's suxorz omg lol. ALL HAIL COMBO!!!!!11one

[Shindrah]

Rofl is this some type of joke post?

[pbiegaj]

got to be, or someone got into Kryo's account.

[Downside]

Is there even any video of Combofiend playing Viper other than at Barfights?

[pbiegaj]

Or he lost a bet...either or

[Shindrah]

got to be, or someone got into Kryo's account.
Was thinking the same thing.

[FerociousWill]

Ed Ma was still able to get a perfect though...

[Kitori]

oh lord what's going on in this thread

[DevilJin 01]

COMBO's Viper is DA TROOF! :lol:

[True_Tech]

is this a diss to the vid vs ed ma where he fucked up everything?

[qial]

he even uses focus attack well and viper's suxorz omg lol.
I see what you did there

[Tizoc]

Vids or this is BS.

[Downside]

The strong win and the weak lose, which of these fighters will prove the old axiom today?

Kryojenix v. Combofiend

Fight!

[wrathofheaven]

Vids or this is BS.


Second!

[Kryojenix]

COMBO's Viper is DA TROOF! :lol:

this!

[Xereos]

Does anyone know if they YouTube'd the bar fights? The link on Gootecks' page for Justintv doesn't work for me. And I 2nd Vids or GTFO.

*Edit: Just saw a 2 min clip of Edma beating the crap out of Combofiend's Viper. I felt pretty bad :*(

[Wonderswan]

Wasn't the best video of his Viper, poor Combofiend =/

If you youtube Combofiend barfights I know there is another video of him fighting Zangief and maybe another one, can't remember atm. Either way they are much better demonstrations of his skill and understanding with Viper, Since I heard Gootecks and Mike Ross talking about him picking up Viper on the SF podcast i've been hoping he comes around and makes her into something truly special. I'm sure whoever attended barfights got to see a much better side of combofiend's Viper.

GO GO MILF POWAH!

[Kunai]

Wasn't the best video of his Viper, poor Combofiend =/

If you youtube Combofiend barfights I know there is another video of him fighting Zangief and maybe another one, can't remember atm. Either way they are much better demonstrations of his skill and understanding with Viper, Since I heard Gootecks and Mike Ross talking about him picking up Viper on the SF podcast i've been hoping he comes around and makes her into something truly special. I'm sure whoever attended barfights got to see a much better side of combofiend's Viper.

GO GO MILF POWAH!

Tell him to get on board and post here. We're here to help each other, mang. :rock:

[SmoothCP]

In one of the "Beat a Pro" matches, I saw Combofiend do jump-in hk, crouching mp xx Ultra.

It was hot and nasty.

[ShinobiBrown]

Yes, that Zangief vid does do Combo better justice than his fight VS Edma's Ken. Then again, looks like he had a field day with the Gief player. Some of the things the Gief did made me "lol" out of it being typical beginner Gief behavior (ie wake up ultra as if Combo was just going to stand there and eat it). So many whiffed SPDs...:confused:

Considering how that Gief played, I'm surprised Combo didn't just spam neutral j.RH all day.

I'm curious if Edma used Viper at all during Bar Fights. IIRC, he uses her too.

[AuthenticMM]

Random question. Where can I find a schedule of bar fights. I had one down the street an didn't know until after.

[Wonderswan]

www.gootecks.com

And with the total kick ass success of this event, lets all hope bar fights catches on like a wildfire and spreads nationwide.

[CoosCoos]

I play Combofiend sometimes on the PSN.

His Viper was so good that I'm maining Viper.

[prettyboytroy5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whMRNJ2e09o C. Viper vs Sagat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2kPJ5jWbJo C. Viper vs Ken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89P-eqj5qE4 C . Viper vs Rufus

This is how you use C. Viper

[BustaBust]

combo's viper is no joke. this is not a joke thread. its a serious thread just like the "hey moval" thread and the "Ironfists' sagat" thread. his viper rapes the shit out of me. i can barely even get a game. probably like 1 win out of 15-30 games, it ranges lol!

btw ivan, SICK avatar! oh man jesus' face is hilarious in that pic haha

[Master Chibi]

you suck kyro~

[Koomandaham]

I think Ivan's been around Ben too much

I get the same way.

[Jtwelve]

I don't know what's going on but anyway, combo's viper is pretty sick.

[Xereos]

Let's not drink the h8rade.

[COMBO FIEND]

Hmm, just saw this randomly.

Thanks for the shoutouts kryo, but we all know you're the main guy reppin' viper. All the vids of me are me losing, whereas you're represeting in tournies, and your vids actually show you winning.

This should be your thread, as you've done more with her than I have in terms of tournament performance and dedication! I'm still playing balrog if you look at results.

[Xereos]

We all know this was a joke thread, but still I would of at least liked to see some shit talking on your behalf with a Vid of a Viper mirror, Combofiend. Just saying brah.

TBH, it's all just fun and games anyway.

[Kryojenix]

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how dare you sully the good name of combofiend with your vile slander! :mad: everyone knows that kryo's just a scrub. :grrr: who are YOU to pass judgement?! :party:

[Full Metal Jacket]

The most recent one is wit him playing Ed ma on the dog face show.

[cozeny]

Hail Combofiend!

[MagnetoManiac]

Combofiend is too humble, and too skillful.

HAIL COMBOFIEND!

[Jay Wang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KnIw2Sum7s

[Kryojenix]

combofiiieeeeend!!! the BEST...AROUUUND!!!

[Warahk]

Nothins gunna eva keep you down!!!

[jpr333]

Man combo wasn't all that hot when he started out on viper i thought, but now he's f'ing amazing, word to that.

[GalzPanic]

hail bump.

[MysticShadow1453]

lol this thread finally makes sense

[FlashMetroid]

this thread is retarded/pointless

[Ghier]

Combo is the king!! All hail!! :tup:

^^^This Flash guy is pretty good too. Witnessed it live. You guys are my heroes :lovin:

[Shindrah]

combofiiieeeeend!!! the BEST...AROUUUND!!!

Nothings ever gonna keep ya down!

but yeah really congrats too combofiend for the sbo quals.

[Kryojenix]

lol this thread finally makes sense

psychic thread...you just don't know

[Emil]

I'm pretty impressed with Combofiend's Viper. In fact I'd probably go as far as saying Combofiend is the best SF4 player in the US right now (best, better than Wong).

However, saying his Viper is better than Kaqn's(or FZ or Joe) is pushing it. I haven't seen Kaqn play SF4 in a few months though.

[Refraxion]

He's a good viper, but I wouldn't say he's the best Viper until we see the others in action :p

[DevilJin 01]

It's really hard to be a US Viper player and be as good or better than the Japanese players. I personally think it's not possible right now. Viper is a character that has to play differently against so many characters and matchups and there's so much extraneous stuff you have to remember vs. one character over another. Only people that play against a lot of different skilled players of different characters a lot of the time will have the experience that will allow them to know what to do in any given situation on the fly. Even if you know what to do if you execute it wrong or don't have the right spacing/timing or whatever you can mess up big too.

Especially when it comes to trying to use her in situations where your goal is to win consistently. It's very easy to mess things up with Viper and the only way to come back is to force more mistakes out of the opponent than they get out of you. Which is the main reason why Viper's damage dealing and stun is so high. You can have no health and still be a huge threat and I think that's what makes Viper most rewarding at high level. No matter how little health you have the opponent must always be careful about what they throw at you.

[pbiegaj]

Combofiend's Viper is solid, but I don't see anything that his Viper does that any other solid Viper that I've played on XBOX LIVE doesn't do. Just solid fundamentals I think it'd be more accurate to say that he is a good all around player with solid fundamentals, but his Viper is just good as opposed to flashy which seems to be what a lot of Viper players try to be to psych out the opponent. I'm not hating, he's clearly a very good player, just sayin' about his Viper.

*Edit: I play a Viper and I'm basing my opinion above off of the SBO videos of him playing Ken I, etc.

[Digital717]

He also said that he was purposely playing basic because he wasn't used to the sticks, and he still kicked ass. But I definitely wouldn't put him at the same level as Uryo, Dashio, Kindevu, etc. At least not from the vids I've seen of him, but still he's very solid. I really don't think they will do very well at SBO though. I really hope they do, but they are playing Viper and Ryu, 2 characters that are heavily played in Japan. So all those Japanese guys have tons of experience playing against world class Ryus and Vipers.

[ShinobiBrown]

To be honest, it wouldn't be justified to compare Combo's abilities with Viper to Japan simply because, unlike FZ or Dashio or Uryo, he doesn't exactly have an abundance of match vids online for us to watch and form a solid opinion on. All we've really seen of Combo's Viper was from Bar Fights (when he was just picking her up IIRC), the Dog Face Show (casual matches), and the recent SBO quals (I don't consider it a good rep considering he stated he wasn't used to jap style sticks).

So really, unless Combo suddenly gets an abundance of match vids uploaded online for all to watch, I really can't judge his Viper in comparison to Japan. All I can say is he's a hell of a lot more successful with Viper than I am, lol. That's for damn sure.

[FlashMetroid]

I'm pretty impressed with Combofiend's Viper. In fact I'd probably go as far as saying Combofiend is the best SF4 player in the US right now (best, better than Wong).

......are you on crack.....theres like literally no reason to say

[Ghier]

Combofiend's Viper is solid, but I don't see anything that his Viper does that any other solid Viper that I've played on XBOX LIVE doesn't do. Just solid fundamentals I think it'd be more accurate to say that he is a good all around player with solid fundamentals, but his Viper is just good as opposed to flashy which seems to be what a lot of Viper players try to be to psych out the opponent. I'm not hating, he's clearly a very good player, just sayin' about his Viper.

*Edit: I play a Viper and I'm basing my opinion above off of the SBO videos of him playing Ken I, etc.

I didnt see Ken I do anything that my brother doesnt do with rufus. Theres not many "Special Tricks" that only the pros know. Its all about the mindgames and playing smart. The skill level difference between the flashy vipers you see online and Combofiend is huge. As is the difference between my brother and Ken I. If you saw those guys play against people like Arturo or Ed Ma you would REALLY see a difference.

[LordofUltima]

I didnt see Ken I do anything that my brother doesnt do with rufus. Theres not many "Special Tricks" that only the pros know. Its all about the mindgames and playing smart. The skill level difference between the flashy vipers you see online and Combofiend is huge. As is the difference between my brother and Ken I. If you saw those guys play against people like Arturo or Ed Ma you would REALLY see a difference.
I agree. Valle wasn't doing anything special when he beat Ed or Ken, he just played a solid footsies game and used nice ex fireballs. Even though his execution wasn't spot-on, he still prevailed because of that mass street fighter knowledge.

[MysticShadow1453]

of course the game is all about mind games beyond the execution phase but that doesnt mean that combofiend is the best ever. He played a very solid game but he is by no means the best. It was obvious no one knew the match up and he got away with alot because of it.

[Warahk]

I really hope valle and combofiend do well in SBO. Japan has some incredible players; it will be tough!

[DevilJin 01]

......are you on crack.....theres like literally no reason to say

LOL. When Emil posts...expect it to be controversial. He basically doesn't post unless he wants to stir things up.

I think a team of Valle and Combo has a good chance of actually advancing more than one place in the bracket at SBO. I dunno if they're going to pull a Wolfe Bros. top 5 or anything that good but they should definitely at least move one or 2 places through the bracket. If they get matched up against Mago, Kindebu or Daigo first match...good luck. :lol:

[Sabin]

emil bases his opinions of players off videos...like that tells you that someone is better or not..nuff said.
and he just posts to stir shit up (like saying combofiend is better than justin WHEN THEY HAVENT EVEN PLAYED YET)
he also hasnt done shit in sf4 himself.

why you even give him attention is a mystery..then again its emil

[COMBO FIEND]

This thread is still going on?

Right now, I'm still learning viper. As all of you have pointed out, no one knows how to fight her. I'm trying to change that in socal by using her on all the specialists cause I need them to figure out how to beat her stuff, so that I in turn can figure out how to beat that (cause I assume that's what's already happening in Japan). Arturo was a good source of that because by the end of our session before he left, he was countering me really well (something I that know the japanese have been doing for months now).

That being said, SBO is still two months away, which is great. This definitely gives me a chance to really push the specialists out here to kick my ass or I kick theirs so that three things happen: a) they know how to fight vipers really well b) they make REALLY learn how to counter the counters for her so I don't go abusing dumb shit and get surprised out there c) both a and b.

Lastly, I REALLY hate japanese joysticks. Denjin joysticks forced me to play very conservatively so I wouldn't miss much. Cross up flame kicks were practically out of the picture as I pretty much hit them 1 out of 3 attempts. Also, in regards to combos, if you look at the damage output for the double fp combos, the damage difference isn't all that much. Sorry, but on sticks I'm very uncomfortable on with so much on the line, I'd rather hit stuff consistently and go for higher stun, then potentially miss a combo for a little damage increase and possibly lose the round.

Anyhow thanks to all who have showed their support. I'm definitely going to be in the comboratory working hard so that I can produce results the US will be proud of.

[BlaqSkillZ]

you did awesome man. my dream is to bring vega respect lol

[MagnetoManiac]

Hey Combo, I made the switch recently and it took me a day or two to get completely comfortable.

From a p360 user, life saving tips for me were:

- Be sure to ride the corners a bit more than you think. On a p360, it's not necessary to hit the corner as much...but on a JPN stick, the switch inputs have to be what the move say or else it won't give you the move.

- Going to the full motion without forcing it out much. It's very easy to get the moves out, but when first starting out...I really thought the ball top was too easy mode and it would give me the move anyway. It didn't happen for me like that, I have to make sure I hit the last switch all the way back for qcb burning kick.

- Lastly, I couldn't get low HJ crossup flame kicks either for a while. The only thing I can say here is to HJ then hcb all the way back, doesn't need to be a full hcb but just make sure you're hitting the down switch alone and the back switch alone when you're done with the move.

Looking forward to your appearance at EVO and SBO :karate:.

[Giiyom]

:pray:
Switched to Viper too. :bgrin:

[Full Metal Jacket]

So combo usually plays with Happ sticks?

[DevilJin 01]

Most arcade going Cali players usually play with Happ sticks. Mainly because some of them have been playing since the old school days and that's what was used in America back then. Cali has one of the few hotspots where there is to this day a competitive arcade scene (regular tourneys in the arcade). Now that console/modified gaming has become more popular and the US arcade scene is all but flat out dead people have realized that Japanese parts are very responsive and generally don't require as much effort as US parts. Which is why the TE was realeased and sold way past production and Japanese parts are now "hard to find".

At Evo there's gotta be like near a 2 to 1 ratio for people with Japanese part sticks over US parts. They seem to be used especially amongst players like myself who don't have arcades to go to or prefer smaller, easier to carry sticks.

[Kunai]

Combofiend, your Viper is pretty solid man. I know you weren't doing the crazy stuff that the Japanese Vipers do, but you had solid setups and you played clutch in situations, so don't take that away from yourself. Got nothing but mad respect for you. It's really hard to do anything with Viper.

I hope to be out there in SBO cheering you on this summer. Good luck and hope to see you there.

[DevilJin 01]

The most consistent Viper players (as far as winning) seem to be the ones that play more basic any ways. Just doing enough feinting and attacking to mix people up but never going overboard. Hell...Uryo does really basic stuff like punishing whiffed LP shoryus with Viper's sweep just to get some kind of a knockdown. He also somehow still wins matches even after messing up FFF 2 times in a row. :lol:

[FlashMetroid]

The most consistent Viper players (as far as winning) seem to be the ones that play more basic any ways. Just doing enough feinting and attacking to mix people up but never going overboard. Hell...Uryo does really basic stuff like punishing whiffed LP shoryus with Viper's sweep just to get some kind of a knockdown. He also somehow still wins matches even after messing up FFF 2 times in a row. :lol:

the japanese arent super human if the vipers arent doing the bigger combos its because they cant.....so more power to the ones who can squeeze out max damage =)

[CoosCoos]

You know America loves the damage hahaha.

[clownbot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KnIw2Sum7s

awesome sweat stains in the celebratory hug

[DARKHOKAGE]

real viper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vyGT-_vv0g

[toddler316]

I am diaf converted to the Combofiend bandwagon,i thought my viper was solid,but god damn i have a long way to go.

[NeoBlood]

I feel as though most Viper players would benefit greatly from really getting a strong grasp of pokes/footsies. I feel this is why Combofiend is actually a good Viper. Just look at the Evo grand finals. Daigo is a footsie master and Justin was using Balrog like he didnt even HAVE special moves. The perfect Viper (or any character) uses the best pokes to stop other attacks, the best footsies to lead into damaging combos and punishes mistakes (also with the most damaging combos) OH and mind games which Viper kind of has a different style of with the feints.

I know what I just said is common knowledge but I really feel like MOST Vipers could increase their game greatly by expanding that part of their strategy.

[Digital717]

I know what I just said is common knowledge but I really feel like MOST Vipers could increase their game greatly by expanding that part of their strategy.

Uh most players in general could use better footsies. Viper players don't lack it more than others. It's just with Viper the ground game isn't of as much importance as other characters so you don't see a Viper sitting there poking all day like Daigo does. It's not how the character is played.

[deadfrog]

snippage

Naw, that's a really good call.

If anyone's interested, in the fourth episode of the SF Podcast (http://www.gootecks.com/podcast/street-fighter-podcast-4-combofiend/), he touches on the idea of how having strong footsies enables you to "get away with murder."

A good footsies game is incredibly useful with any character in any SF, but I find they're especially important for characters that rely heavily on overwhelming opponents with mixups/tricks/gimmicks, because it is usually the most deeply-affecting way to (relatively) safely psyche out your opponent, which is what opens up those opportunities that allow you to really begin running your offense. An opponent with really solid denfenses will never even let you get started unless you can out-footie them. As soon as you have them feeling brain-toasted, THAT's your chance to be all over them.

I think that a high mastery of footsies is one of the most major distinctions that separates great players from the absolute best players for that style of character. My favourite example is how other top ST players sometimes seem to be so mysteriously and unreasonably hesitant to act against Komoda's Blanka. They let him have so many walk-up bites it's absolutely ridiculous. Words cannot describe just how bamboozled you must be at that moment to not even press a button while a brightly-coloured hunchback shambles towards you in slow motion.

[poopclown]

I think her ground game just has a level of sophistication to it that most characters don't. she has a lot of specific answers for specific moves, but you can't really counter with them reflexively because her normals and specials aren't that fast. which means a lot of weaving around with dashes and feints to bait out stuff.

viper has a lot of potential to make people scared to press buttons (which is what footsies are all about imo), its just more unorthodox than spamming the shit out of cr.mk and slamming them in the face with hadoukens when they try to fight back.