Guile + Fightpad = Suckage

[ultraman zoffy]

So tonight before dinner, I strolled into the gamestop next door to the spot I was going to eat at, and lo and behold, they had one brand spanking new fightpad in stock behind the counter FOR ACTUAL RETAIL! Couldn't pass that up... anyways, Guile is one of my "mains" (man, that's goofy to say...), so I immediately try him out with the pad. And it sucks. The stock Xbox controller's stiffer, smaller d-pad is so much better to use for Guile (and other charge characters, apparently). No matter how many attempts I made, I could no longer chain the flash>double flash combination together... I'm going to try it out some more over the next few days, but thought I'd post this up and see if anyone else has gotten Guile and the fightpad to agree with each other?

<oops, I apologize... this should have went into tech talk I guess. Sorry.. forum newb =P >

[Slinkun]

Actually, I would say this does belong in this forum, because I think it actually is pretty guile specific. I have a fightpad as well and I agree that playing with guile on it is actually a bit harder at times than the 360 dpad. When I was "training" for the gamestop tourney I was using the 360 pad like mad... to the point where I could ultra with 80% (ish) consistency. That ultra just does not come out on that fightpad though.

I think that it's because the d-pad is so big that it's like walking from florida to california to get from df to db. I think it's great for qcf and hcf characters but it seems like for charge characters you have just so much ground to cover. I can't wait to get a stick. =\

[ultraman zoffy]

Actually, I would say this does belong in this forum, because I think it actually is pretty guile specific. I have a fightpad as well and I agree that playing with guile on it is actually a bit harder at times than the 360 dpad. When I was "training" for the gamestop tourney I was using the 360 pad like mad... to the point where I could ultra with 80% (ish) consistency. That ultra just does not come out on that fightpad though.

I think that it's because the d-pad is so big that it's like walking from florida to california to get from df to db. I think it's great for qcf and hcf characters but it seems like for charge characters you have just so much ground to cover. I can't wait to get a stick. =\

Glad to know it's not just me! lol... yeah, it does seem like a huge distance on the fightpad; lord knows why they didn't consider it's effect on every character's moves. Guess I'll be using the fightpad for sh*ts and giggles, but sticking with the xbox controller for actual online matches. If I do use Guile on the pad, like you said, I basically have to fight without supers or ultras. ugh.

[Ex Primus]

I'm trying to get a fightpad, and I'm disappointed that its D-pad is so unfriendly for charge characters. However, I can't really pull off the super/ultra for shoto characters like Ryu on 360, so I have to get the fightpad anyway.

[PeterTheBohemian]

Honestly, I commend both of you for even being able to play Guile on a pad. After about 2 matches, my thumb gets pretty tired from charging the whole time and I don't think I've done the Ultra once on the pad. I pre-ordered SF4 with the TE stick and pretty much never play Guile on pad, unless my friends are using all the sticks.

[ultraman zoffy]

Honestly, I commend both of you for even being able to play Guile on a pad. After about 2 matches, my thumb gets pretty tired from charging the whole time and I don't think I've done the Ultra once on the pad. I pre-ordered SF4 with the TE stick and pretty much never play Guile on pad, unless my friends are using all the sticks.

Haha... chalk it up to years and years of using Guile/Charlie since the days of the SNES. The stock d-pad actually works really, really well for Guile's super and ultra due its short throw (to borrow a term from car shifting). Using Guile with a stick is a whole other science... I ruled arcades bitd with Charlie on SFA, so I can do fairly well with either a pad or stick.

[JiveT]

I use Guile with fightpad and I don't have any problems doing his moves I have gotten up to his 4th hard trial and the only problem I am having is the timing on his focus attack.

But I have only played SF4 with the fightpad from the moment I turned it on so I didn't go from one thing to another.

[Gnam]

I play Guile on the fightpad and sympathize, though my problems are completely different.

The main issue I have is that the huge swells on the grips, combined with the d-pad being placed too far up and to the left, causes you to crane your thumb at an awkward angle to charge back. This causes huge fatigue and after playing for a while my hand and wrist is so sore that my execution even for simple sonic booms and flash kicks is only like 50%.

I don't have a problem doing Guile's super/ultra since I started using the reverse tiger knee motion instead of the standard one listed in the manual/movelist. Using the RTK motion, I can do his ultra like 90% of the time as long as my hand's not too fucked up.

I think the fightpad is much better than the stock 360 controller, but it's still very flawed. The op was very lucky to find a fightpad sitting at gamestop retail - they're pretty much sold out of all the major chains so you pretty much have to buy online now, and the prices for 360 are in the $60-80 range. The fightpad is simply not worth that much money. Just don't bother.

If you can't afford a stick, you're better off modding or getting a converter to use a PS2 or PS3 pad. Personally I find the regular Sony dualshock much easier to use than the standard 360 controller, and due to the fatigue, even the madcatz fightpad. Better yet, you can get one of the Sega pads for PS2 and PS3, and that should work best.

[hiddenleavez]

dang, my girl just brought me the fightpad for my Bday a couple of days ago. I haven't got it yet, she got me blanka, but I wanted Ryu, so she's going to exchange it.

However, today, I score the TE stick, so I'm not sure if I'll ever be using the fightpad that coming in. Of course I can't return the fightpad since it's a gift....damn.

Oh, and TE stick, was very easy to do the super/ultra with. Like you're shifting gear.

[joenw1006]

Just cant wait to get my hands on those TE stick.... been using 360 d pad all this time (side effect an extra airthrow thatll surprise both you and your opponent) and an extra jump whenever I want to dash, kinda frustrating but...have to cope with this thing till I get the TE stick

[Nillsens]

Just caved in and oredered a TE stick, probably going to take a month or two to arrive though...

I have always wanted one, but the main reason has got to be the fatigue from holding charge all the time, my thumb starts to hurt after a few matches. On top of that, the constant pressure from my thumb is bending my middle finger on the other side of the pad, it is starting to hurt pretty bad even after I stop playing.

My execution on pad has been fairly decent so far, just the ultra that can be a bit hard to pull off when I'm standing left on the screen. I tend to miss db in the reverse tiger knee motion and end up jumping backwards. No problems doing it in the regular method from the right side though, I just sort of pull my thumb a bit to hit df, push back to db and then move my thumb left to hit uf.

[NB2]

This is strange...I had Guile as my 2nd/3rd character when I first started this game and I've had no problem using the pad to get out his Ultra and super. Do you guys use the shortcut at all?

[Ex Primus]

Finally got fightpad (Ryu art), and you guys are right; it's definitely very hard to play Guile with this controller, esp. when doing super/ultra which I can't do any right now, but on 360 I can do better than 50%. It's very disappointing, because I plan to use it exclusively and I want to keep Guile as my main. But I might main Ryu instead because his ultra conversely is very easy to do with fightpad, and near-impossible to do on 360 controller.

[NB2]

I posted this in the other thread, but check here...it's a tutorial I threw up for newcomers when the game came out. What is the problem you guys are having? It never even occurred to me that there was an issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wmy9E7Lrwc

[Nemesys_Syndrome]

To pull off Guile's Super/Ultra on the Dpad generally, I use two different motions depending on which side I'm facing.

If my character is facing left then I use the db, f, db, uf motion (in combos and alone).

If my character is facing right, I use the db, f, db, b, ub motion (in combos and alone).

Not sure if this would help anyone out using the dpad but it's some food for thought I guess.

[DStroyer4]

I'm too broke to get a stick right now, so I using the basic 360 analog. The only thing I have trouble pulling off reliably is the FADC > Ultra. I think I'm having trouble letting the analog stick revert to neutral in the dash. Anyway, after trying a bunch of different Ultra motions and ones that I saw in this forum, the fastest one for me is db, df, d, db, b, ub KKK. Without an arcade stick, trying to go from db to uf or something like that is too clunky when trying to reverse an opponent's Ultra.

[cabl3]

I actually didn't have too much of a problem playing with Guile on the fightpad. I got my Ken fightpad before street fighter 4 came out so I used it with Vega in HD Remix. That gave me plenty of time to get used to the ultra motion.

I do find that it takes concentration to pull it off when you need it. I wish it was more mindless like other ultras.

I'm having trouble getting used to the stick (TE stick came on monday) with Guile. Sometimes I want to go back to the fightpad to beat people I know I could beat if I wasn't handicapped.

[Trunxs]

I have both a fight pad and a TE stick and as Guile is my main character I find that I actually prefer a fight pad to the TE stick for playing Guile.

At first it was challenging to get used to the fight pad however after basically loosening up my grip a bit I am able to throw my ultra/super at any point in the match and also I am much more easily able to do charge moves and react accordingly.

I am not sure if other high level Guiles feel the same as I do but I noticed I have problems dropping Sonic booms at a fast pace and Flash Kicks on the TE stick in clutch situations.

[Nemesys_Syndrome]

I have both a fight pad and a TE stick and as Guile is my main character I find that I actually prefer a fight pad to the TE stick for playing Guile.

At first it was challenging to get used to the fight pad however after basically loosening up my grip a bit I am able to throw my ultra/super at any point in the match and also I am much more easily able to do charge moves and react accordingly.

I am not sure if other high level Guiles feel the same as I do but I noticed I have problems dropping Sonic booms at a fast pace and Flash Kicks on the TE stick in clutch situations.

Yeah...that does sound clutch. lol.

[hiddenleavez]

Seriously, Guile's Ultra is hard to land and hard to execute on a pad and it doesn't even deal that much damage...well not like Bob Sagat.

[redgatorade]

I never understood the use of the D pad for fighting games. I've alway used the analog stick and ultras are rather consistent for all characters. The only side affect is noticable wear on the controller and chronic thumb soreness. I've never used the fight pad since it looked very uncomfortable and the six button set up just seemed awkward. Can't wait for my TE.

[Lathorian]

More like Guile + Fightpad = permanent crouch.

Oh, and good luck selecting him by the way.

[ShockBoy]

I no longer have problems to do the ultra on the fightpad but I use the conservatve method (db, df, db, u + KKK).

Some things are easier on the fightpad some are not.

Charging back-> forth is easier on the fightpad imo cause the left right directions are very precise and you don't accidentally jump as much as on the 360-con. As a result the up-left / up-right directions aren't as precise cause the range is very minimized. It's very hard to hit up-forward during the ultra oder FK-> super that's why I use up instead of ub oder uf.
What I think is easier on the 360-con is dashing or dash-mixups. For me it's very hard dash-evade crossups etc.

[heishin concept]

Damn..there are alot of fightpad (controller) users still!?!?

you guys don't like using joysticks?? im sure they are easier to come by now since SF4 is getting more saturated

[parhelic]

I've tried using sticks (my brother has the Madcatz TE) but I find the pad (Sega saturn PS2 via converter) effortless to use. I can pull off Guile's ULTRA 99.9 % of the time (ignoring lag online). However, extensive play with charge characters results in fatigue in the muscle around my thumb. That isd the only drawback for me.

[tsd]

I dont main guile, and rarely play him, but have no problem executing ultra/super etc. on the fight pad. The only thing I can say is you need to be more deliberate with your motions, i.e. if your not its so sensitive, alot of times it will register a down motion, and screw it up. I find Guile/Vegas ultra to be rather easy since it basically works like a QCF characters move more than a charger at least the way I input it (charge d, b > f, d,b,u+3k).

I have more problems with the B, f, b,f 3k/3p than guile. Like I said be very deliberate or it will register a couple Down forward motions (i.e. Bison I will end up teleporting instead of ultraing) when I actually focus on the task and work off the corners of the dpad instead of sliding my thumb across, comes out like a charm. I am on ps3 and admittedly, starting off charge characters are much easier on the ps3 pad. Its just a matter of feeling out how you need to manipulate the dpad.

[Campos KiD]

I use xbox360 analog stick and I am unbeatable. Lol