Online Frustration with Rufus

[Kritz]

Online frustration, basically have you ever had bad days on sf4?
- You end up playing so shit a mess up minor stuff.
- Losing to people you know your much better then <<< This pisses me of the most like you know your better then getting caught in random stuff.
- Never being able to block lol because of the lag << which is why I stick to 4 bar.
- When you know something is so BS eg: Sagat fierce tiger knee block (-12), you know hes on a disadvantage of frames go you go to grab an he some how pulls of a tiger uppercut.
- Ive been Low shoryuken'd before while doing a EX Messiah in his face I laughed so hard.

So what unimaginable stuff has happened to you while playing? lol

[NB2]

The only two things that have happened to me are:

-Shitty dive kicks
-mk roll comes out instead of ex messiah. This hurts just because I've never, ever had a problem doing hadokens.

That having been said, these issues started to clean up now that I'm focusing on them. I warm up with a few dive kicks in training before I go online. Get those badboys nice and low to the ground. Knock on wood, but Rufus has been raping butt for a little while now, and I don't have a single link mastered. I owe it all to cr.mp, lol.

[Kritz]

lmao so true Ive had he Roll come out instead of EX Messiah costed me the match I raged so bad lol.

[cachocapu]

Good you opened this thread so I don't have to start a new one

I'm going very very mad. I've been playing today no problems, was doing quite well, got from 3000 to 3500 in a couple matches. Then I watched some TV and after a while I got back to sf4

Well, I stumble upon this guy using Zangief and ONLY used Lariat. I'm going to cry, really. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET that I can do against this buggy, overpowered, retarded move? He just mashed PPP and spammed the fuckin thing.

I know I sound like a crying noob (which I might be) but really, I am very nervous right now. I just cant fucking believe it.

[Kritz]

Just stand outside the range of Lariat and do Standing Fierce Punch lol. ^^^

[gbursine]

lmao so true Ive had he Roll come out instead of EX Messiah costed me the match I raged so bad lol.

this is why i ex messiah kick w/ lk and rk now lol

[nic3gui]

-hard punch xx hardpunch tornado.. turns into hard punch xx crouching hard punch -_-

-FADC messiah kick into an ex snake strikes instead of ultra

-cr.lk xx light tornado some how becomes cr.lk , cr.lp spam

aiya =(

[MoxManiac]

-hard punch xx hardpunch tornado.. turns into hard punch xx crouching hard punch -_-

I'm glad i'm not the only one to do this on occasion. I tend to do this when there's noticable lag, and am overeager to buffer the qcf in for the tornado.

[Kritz]

-hard punch xx hardpunch tornado.. turns into hard punch xx crouching hard punch -_-

-FADC messiah kick into an ex snake strikes instead of ultra

-cr.lk xx light tornado some how becomes cr.lk , cr.lp spam

aiya =(

Yeah I used to do that so many times but doesnt happen any more so glad lol.

Yess the most epic one Cr.LK to light tornado, you end up spamming jabs lool takes the piss so bad lol.


this is why i ex messiah kick w/ lk and rk now lol

lol that seems really awkward to do all the time lol.

[BenD the Truth]

Ugh, every post in this thread describes me hahaha.

[MilkR0und]

I have those bad days a lot.

[StreakSRM]

The only two things that have happened to me are:

-mk roll comes out instead of ex messiah. This hurts just because I've never, ever had a problem doing hadokens.



I get this every now and then, it's so painful to see rufus with his hands over his head ready to go into the roll during the ultra super freeze that EX messiah would beat out cleanly.

[ZeonLive]

When you know something is so BS eg: Sagat fierce tiger knee block (-12), you know hes on a disadvantage of frames go you go to grab an he some how pulls of a tiger uppercut.

God I hate this. I ate 2 Ex srk in a row from a garbage Ken. Every missed srk I got hit with a fierce srk while trying to grab.

[cozeny]

"this is why i ex messiah kick w/ lk and rk now lol "

^^^^tht is a protip

co-sign the cr.HP instead of hp tornado woes too; it's worse on 'laggy' games tho cos the code swallows yr inputs; the game suddenly becomes sf2-lenient instead of sf4-lenient

[Irennicus]

It's not really just an online thing, and I have no idea why I do it so often, but a lot of times my roll comes out as his srk. I think it's me fucking it up from having to hold forward and not being used to it.

[PuFF]

This is the reason I am taking a break from online play.

Must go to an arcade...

[NB2]

I get this every now and then, it's so painful to see rufus with his hands over his head ready to go into the roll during the ultra super freeze that EX messiah would beat out cleanly.

This.

Argh.

[Evilink]

I was playing last night and was so fucking furious, I lost 4 matches in a row to some really shitty people. I had random snake strikes coming out, cost me 3 rounds, it was so frustrating. I know my inputs are a little weak and I end up wrong moves due to lack of precision but it seemed worse when I was playing a few laggy fights.

What really pissed me off were the the amount of BP that the kids had that beat me. A few had 3000, two were in the 2000 and the last one was around 1600BP. How the hell did these people get that much BP, if I was using Bison/Rog/Sagat I could have destroyed any of them. I only have 500 BP but I rarely venture into Ranked matches, they take too long to get going and I like to play a few matches with some one if they are good.

[sir_arthur]

HP xx HP tornado towards the corner to link ultra but got ex snake strike and cost me the match :mad:

[MilkR0und]

A balrog came at me with straight punch ex, so i did my ultra right before the hit.

what do you know, THE ULTRA WASN'T FUCKING FAST ENOUGH AND HE STILL HIT ME.

[gbursine]

^Ya rog will absorb the first hit, and punch you in the face. ultra is not a reactionary tool against es punches

[wishface]

Often when i try cr. mk cancel into tornado it does messiah kick instead - even when i press the right buttons!

[gbursine]

^
whats happening is you're depressing mk after you do the motion, causing the negative edge of the button depression to activate jesus kick. hold the button down after you land c.mk, and you should be able to do tornado without issue

[jcerwinske]

Good you opened this thread so I don't have to start a new one
Well, I stumble upon this guy using Zangief and ONLY used Lariat. I'm going to cry, really. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET that I can do against this buggy, overpowered, retarded move? He just mashed PPP and spammed the fuckin thing.

I know I sound like a crying noob (which I might be) but really, I am very nervous right now. I just cant fucking believe it.

lp.Snake Strike is your friend

[wishface]

^
whats happening is you're depressing mk after you do the motion, causing the negative edge of the button depression to activate jesus kick. hold the button down after you land c.mk, and you should be able to do tornado without issue

i dont understand.

i'm not pressing mk after the crouch, i crouch and press mk, then qcf and punch.

[Kritz]

i dont understand.

i'm not pressing mk after the crouch, i crouch and press mk, then qcf and punch.

Basically your doing the full QCF Motion then pressing MK, you might be rushing you self though. Try holding down then MK then do QCF + punch, once you feel you have got that down speed it up abit.

[wishface]

The thing is, im not pressing mk after the tornado motion at all. Believe me!

[cozeny]

gbursine explained it correctly; maybe you're pressing the mk before the qcf, doing the qcf so quickly that the game is giving you a neg edge mk (when you let go of the mk) rather than an hp

letting go of mk counts as pressing mk, due to "negative edge"

[Kritz]

The thing is, im not pressing mk after the tornado motion at all. Believe me!

lool alright I'll believe you, you might want to consider looking at your stick or pad if something is wrong then.

[wishface]

gbursine explained it correctly; maybe you're pressing the mk before the qcf, doing the qcf so quickly that the game is giving you a neg edge mk (when you let go of the mk) rather than an hp

letting go of mk counts as pressing mk, due to "negative edge"

that must be what's happening but that's just nuts! the game coutns letting go of a button as an input!?!


lool alright I'll believe you, you might want to consider looking at your stick or pad if something is wrong then.

I'd love to reconsider using the crappy 360 controller, but c'est la vie!

[cozeny]

negative edge is actually really useful if you can control it, especially for stupid combos tht require lots of inputs (see any c.viper fierce feint fierce combo)

to see it working just go into training, press down hp, wait a sec, then do qcf+let go of hp, you'll get a tornado

[Xilindyr]

Yeah, I get problems like S.lk >> S.mp >> Tornado. They don't link when I'm online some of the time in comparison to when I play offline. Also, I get the EX Kyuseishu problem when I'm using it as clutch, An effin Rufus roll comes out! I've lost several matches this way.

The Biggest one is EX Kyuseishu >> FADC >> SOS. Even after hours of training I pull it off 90% of the time offline, No problem. Online? I might as well Bend over and request "No Lube" after wasting my precious EX bar.

[PuFF]

Yeah, I get problems like S.lk >> S.mp >> Tornado. They don't link when I'm online some of the time in comparison to when I play offline. Also, I get the EX Kyuseishu problem when I'm using it as clutch, An effin Rufus roll comes out! I've lost several matches this way.

The Biggest one is EX Kyuseishu >> FADC >> SOS. Even after hours of training I pull it off 90% of the time offline, No problem. Online? I might as well Bend over and request "No Lube" after wasting my precious EX bar.

Welcome to online..... I do the same thing.

I also love it when I am playing matches that have the input lag so high I press forward, wait, and then my character walks...

[gbursine]

that must be what's happening but that's just nuts! the game coutns letting go of a button as an input!?!



I'd love to reconsider using the crappy 360 controller, but c'est la vie!

Capcom makes use of negative edge bigtime in megaman. in streetfighter, if you release a button, it will only activate special moves. doing s.rk, holding, waiting, then releasing s.rk will not yield a second s.rk.

[ant one]

I get ex snakes instead of the ultra alot when I'm hurried. I find doing the motion slowly then hitting PPP after a beat really helps.

[Lee-K]

EX Snakes instead of ultra is the makes me want to cut myself. I've lost SOOOO many matches because of it.

[Kururo]

yes. execution first. then speed will come.

I still have a problem with walk, c.mk xx qcf HP. for ryu it comes out as c.mk xx fireball. for rufus it comes out as c.mk snake strikes? wtf.

[wishface]

People say that dive kick is one of rufus' best moves, but when do you use it? Everytime i jump it's a srk to the face (because shotos are everywhere). It doesn't help that the 360 joystick struggles to find df accurately when i play.

[Evilink]

You have to watch the shotos with your dive kick, bait the srk a few times, some of them only catch you with the last hit so you don't take as much damage. I always bait it on wake up. That way when I actually do a cross up dive kick on wake up their srk wiffs and I punish with a throw or LP xx qcf-HP.

You just have to mix it up a lot, don't fall into a set pattern or they will punish you everytime.

[wishface]

I'm really struggling with rufus. It seems his moves all require a setup as they have a life of their own. It's not like just chucking out a fireball or a srk. It's kinda frustrating when people do resort to using just those sort of characters. I half wish they had left out the shoto characters from the game completely and let the rest of the roster have a chance.

[Kururo]

I'm really struggling with rufus. It seems his moves all require a setup as they have a life of their own. It's not like just chucking out a fireball or a srk. It's kinda frustrating when people do resort to using just those sort of characters. I half wish they had left out the shoto characters from the game completely and let the rest of the roster have a chance.

i don't really understand what troubles you are having with rufus. I think you need to watch videos of rufus to see just what you can do with the fat man.

[jcerwinske]

People say that dive kick is one of rufus' best moves, but when do you use it? Everytime i jump it's a srk to the face (because shotos are everywhere). It doesn't help that the 360 joystick struggles to find df accurately when i play.

I throw it out for crossups on wakeup, and as part of rush down, during a block string to regain lost distance and get back in his face.

[BenD the Truth]

I get ex snakes instead of the ultra alot when I'm hurried. I find doing the motion slowly then hitting PPP after a beat really helps.


EX Snakes instead of ultra is the makes me want to cut myself. I've lost SOOOO many matches because of it.

Add me to that list.

[Evilink]

I'm really struggling with rufus. It seems his moves all require a setup as they have a life of their own. It's not like just chucking out a fireball or a srk. It's kinda frustrating when people do resort to using just those sort of characters. I half wish they had left out the shoto characters from the game completely and let the rest of the roster have a chance.

I think your looking at this the wrong way. Shotos have the ability to throw out single moves much easier but they still take skill to use properly and most of their more powerful setups require just as much setup as rufus has.

Rufus doesn't have a fireball but he has a few simple setups for decent damage, wakeup EX Messiah, lp xx Tornado. He's not as easily accessable but its much more satisfying kicking the shit out Ken with Rufus than using Sagat or Ryu.

[Kritz]

Shotos being able to mash out a shoryuken on your blockstring combo rages me so bad lool, I made this Ryu guy quit 2-1 to me. He was very good but he shouldn't of left though, I swear it annoys me so bad when you should be in frame advantage an you get knocked out of it by a shoryuken.

[thesecretblack]

Thank god for this thread. I thought I was the only one that seemed to screw up Rufus' moves so much. At first, I thought it was my joystick (since it's new and I wasn't used to it) but I can play with Ryu all day on it and not make one input error.

Rufus is a completely different story, though. I can't count how many times I've done an anti-air jump HK and then went into a snake strike when I mean to Ultra. Or EX Messiah > FADC > EX Snake strike (again, should have ended with an Ultra). And don't even get me started on that damn roll kick. It's too bad because you can combo a crouching MK into a FP tornado IF YOU DARE, but most of the time you'll get a roll, or a low MK into a MK Messiah.

Oh yeah, and I'm also a master of the deadly standing FP technique when the opponent is wide open. It should be a FP > FP Tornado, but the tornado is late and instead I get one measly punch.

The worst, though, for me, is when I'm building up a super meter with snake strikes and not really watching the meter as much as I am watching my opponent, and suddenly I go into a whiffed super combo from across the screen, blowing my entire super meter in the process.

[wishface]

the inputs for glory kick and vulture kick interfere too much to make Rufus reliable IMO. I struggle with him because a lot of his moves are slow - tornado isn't just a quick fireball than recovery. It has a long animation. Same with messiah kick and glory kick and snake strike. On his own he isn't as fast as you might think and lacking projectiles (in a game dominated by them) just makes him less competitive. It's really really hard to learn these characters in this environment, and it's very frustrating trying.

and trying to find an opening for the HP-tornado combo is really difficult because you invariably and always get swept. This game has a real weakness when it comes to defending low. It's just not quick enough (online at least). It's not helped that dominant characters like Akuma and Ryu have fast and long range sweeps that knock down.

[Ouroborus]

rufus plays like shit online.

i guarantee that no one will get around dive kicks easily offline as they do online.

fuck the netcoding for sf4

[PuFF]

rufus plays like shit online.

i guarantee that no one will get around dive kicks easily offline as they do online.

fuck the netcoding for sf4

Good thing I am alting Dhalsim/Fuerte!

Wait, they are just as bad online :'(

[tech master]

rufus is good.... real good. i've gotten snake strike a couple times when i intended ultra. i think you are just doing it too early if you get that. just wait til you are recovered after the dash cancel or whatever setup and do the motions.

[PuFF]

rufus is good.... real good. i've gotten snake strike a couple times when i intended ultra. i think you are just doing it too early if you get that. just wait til you are recovered after the dash cancel or whatever setup and do the motions.

! Another convert?

[tech master]

! Another convert?

am i converting to rufus?

actually, he was one of the first characters i picked up when i got the game. i'm probably as good with him as i am with just about any other character. its just that i can't choose a main if my life depended on it (i play about 6 characters all as equally effective).

[PuFF]

am i converting to rufus?

actually, he was one of the first characters i picked up when i got the game. i'm probably as good with him as i am with just about any other character. its just that i can't choose a main if my life depended on it (i play about 6 characters all as equally effective).

Just noticed that was one of your first posts here. Nice to see new faces.

[ll ViCi0uS ll]

my worst one is in the corner, when you cross up with a short dive kick.
after it connects i try to go for a standing fierce to fierce tornado, but sometimes cr. fierce comes out and then you see my confidence float away towards the ventilation systems @ AI or Denjin -_-

[NB2]

Online specific--when lag ruins my divekick rushdown. I hate people throwing or jabbing me out of perfect divekicks, because my follow up was lagged out. Garbage.

[cozeny]

hope the rufus army is going to be taking to the championship mode :D

[Ouroborus]

Online specific--when lag ruins my divekick rushdown. I hate people throwing or jabbing me out of perfect divekicks, because my follow up was lagged out. Garbage.

glad i'm not alone in this situation

[Kururo]

laggy zangief and blankas win online.

[cozeny]

Mashed out dps


^^^^^imagine this in all caps

[Kritz]

Mashed out dps


^^^^^imagine this in all caps

Dive Kick, St.LK, (Interupted DP) No Fierce Punch for me lol.
Ive even been DP out of Jab links rofl.

[mysteriousm]

c.LK xx LP GT that occasionally becomes c. LK -> walk forward s. LP owns me.

[Xilindyr]

I'm having new problems:

Online, I can't even FADC out of EX Kyuseishu as well. This is unbelievable!

[Bay 6]

Damn, I think every problem I've ever had was mentioned!

[Kritz]

lool I swear this Ryu guy kept on jabbing me earlyer when I did my low Dive Kicks I couldnt explain why I was getting hit by them. (Interrupting JAB all the frigging time) I got so pissed when I lost lol it was so bad I know that crap will never happen offline lool.

[NinjaJubei]

Screwing up a blockstring to have zangief SPD is infuriating, especially if they mash lariat whenever they see anything resembling advancement.

When input lag is noticeable, it really throws me off when absorbing or divekicking over projectiles

[Quangbot]

Mashed out dps


^^^^^imagine this in all caps

This is why I lose to scrubby shotos. Not really online specific though, cause you can mash dp through almost every block string in this game, even offline.

I guess it's fair though, cause you can ex jesus kick through block strings as well.

[Kritz]

This is why I lose to scrubby shotos. Not really online specific though, cause you can mash dp through almost every block string in this game, even offline.

I guess it's fair though, cause you can ex jesus kick through block strings as well.

You shouldn't be able to mash out of perfect block strings only ones with holes in between.

[Pandamoniumm]

lool I swear this Ryu guy kept on jabbing me earlyer when I did my low Dive Kicks I couldnt explain why I was getting hit by them. (Interrupting JAB all the frigging time) I got so pissed when I lost lol it was so bad I know that crap will never happen offline lool.

Yeah, st.lp mashed out anihilates a dive kick. So you've got a turtling ryu that can dp me out of a jump, st.lp me out of a dive kick, dp me out of a tornado/non-ex messiah, mash dp during block strings and still block at the same time = fail for me a lot... And don't even start with Sagat and his godly HK...

[Pasky]

Dive kick, S.HP -> Crouching HP pisses me off so much.

[Gator Skin Shoes]

Dive kick, S.HP -> Crouching HP pisses me off so much.

I just started playing Rufus but yeah, I know what you mean. I just started using negative edge instead and do dk, hp (hold) xx qcf (release)

I had also been having a problem with mk Messiah Kick coming out when trying to do d.mk xx ex Galactic Tornado, but have just learned to do d.mk(hold) xx ex Galactic Tornado then release mk. This helps me keep the Messiah Kick from coming out.

Lastly, getting f.mk instead of ex Messiah Kick. I read in an earlier post to use use lk and hk to do the ex to avoid the problem so I'm gonna have to work on that.

[PelvicThrust69]

Dive kick, S.HP -> Crouching HP pisses me off so much.

Oh god the horrible horrible memories come flashing back with this post.

Seriously, its the most fucking annoying thing in the world to do that, and it only happens when its laggy.

[F1]

UUuuugh, Rufus stop rolling when I ask you to do a super short divekick. ;_;


Also, had the stupidest lol moment...

Ken had 0 health left I ad one bar, he kept doing Hadoken.

Hadoken! Roll.

Hadoken! Roll.

Hadoken! Roll. I have 0 hp now.

EX Hadoken! EX Messiah Kick! God, damn, it took that long?

I swear, the Roll instead of short dive/ex messiah and Snake Strike instead of Tornado is really annoying me now.

<3F1

[Kritz]

^^^ The roll has cost me the me the match quite a few times even today on some casuals lol

Roll into Ryu's Ultra Baitly wanted the EX Messiah to come through.
I swear the roll needs some invincibility frames on start up at least like Abel.

[el torofuerte]

Alot of what is mention so far has happen to me. I know for myself its the motion and button press. But wil try this neg edge tech now and see how it works. Sounds like the buttons are reactivate response like. But currently having huge issues against Geif and Blanka. But its rare I play agianst them online. Mostly Ryu,Ken or Akuma. I find if you try to "smother" those players you will win bc they cannot get anything off in Def. I use the dive kick in a cross up function. I mostly play on Championship mode. Oh BTW new to this forum, but my main is the fatty daddy rufus!!! lol

[Raiff]

To be honest I've pretty much had all this problems at some point or another but I really just put it down to rushed/poor execution if I get a fuck up, it's on me!

Obviously this excludes lag and DP issues (DP pretty much beats everything an is infuriating, but if am gettin' hit by it, then I blame myself. Or lag :P )

[el torofuerte]

Played today after not playing for a few days. My timing for moves was off. It really does come down topractice and knowing your opponent. Especially when you play a Ken or Akuma. Biggest annonyance was get up messiah that never happen.

[NinjaSYXX]

Losing to scrubs cuz of lag is my biggest frustration as usual. lol

Besides that tho, I don't know if it's my fightpad or not but sometimes my falcon kicks don't come out or i snake strike instead of ultra.

I can't wait to get my SE and order my buttons. I need to fix my MAS also. lol

[PelvicThrust69]

I swear to god, if I get one more roll into ultra... well.. I'll keep playing but I won't be a very happy camper!

[Mordhaus]

Yeah, st.lp mashed out anihilates a dive kick. So you've got a turtling ryu that can dp me out of a jump, st.lp me out of a dive kick, dp me out of a tornado/non-ex messiah, mash dp during block strings and still block at the same time = fail for me a lot... And don't even start with Sagat and his godly HK...

Yeah this is killing me in G2 at the moment... All these damn Ryu's... DP is the counter to everything apparently, and unfortunately it works.

[Kritz]

Yeah this is killing me in G2 at the moment... All these damn Ryu's... DP is the counter to everything apparently, and unfortunately it works.

I know dumb things like that annoy me baitly mashing shoryuken, I usually let it happen once or twice then just block after the dive kick & punish.

[Moosh-Q]

I'm going to ignore the online part of the thread title and just vent my Rufus frustrations in general.

All of the problems listed so far I also have. Nothing makes me want to pull out my hair more then when Snake Strike comes out instead of Tornado Punch or his Ultra. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one having this problem. I couldn't tell if it was the stiff PS3 pad or the game itself because I damn well know the difference between a DP and Fireball motion. No such input problems in any other game.

Other general gripes:

-Having no solid anti-air but specifically absolutely anticipating an enemy jump kick and still having an EX Snake Strike eaten by it.

-His f**ked up hitbox on c.HP. Why the hell does he get swept when the sweep is nowhere near connecting to the part of him that's actually on the ground?!

-Messiah Kick (even EX) having too long a start up to punish things that would definitely be punished if he had a real DP. It gets to me sometimes. :wasted:

I'm a brand new Rufus player and have no intentions of quitting the big fellow. Like I said, I'm just venting. >:-O


DP is the counter to everything apparently, and unfortunately it works.
This.

It was my understanding that one of the best things about Rufus is his rushdown capabilities. However, that seems to go right out the window when I play any character with an uppercut. Especially online since a great deal of people just mash out the DP's at the slightest bit of pressure put on them.

[Kritz]

lol I QUIT playing championship mode lol so much online bullshit

I played some Ken player I got a messiah kick in with the follow up low kick, << soon as the move connected he some how got a ultra (I raged so bad).
An more times today my follow up low kick got blocked for some reason even if I spammed it, Rufus is really bad online loool unbelievable
Im only going to play people who I added from Neo Empire.

[Cyberfrost849]

oh my god lol i had so many frustrations today even.

Boy oh boy do i just LOVE runaway shotos/sagats/gouken. They will runaway from you all day spamming fireballs on oh my god it gets so annoying with gouken. When he has EX bar it's freakin IMPOSSIBLE to get near him with him alternating which direction his hadokens go. I had to beat him by baiting his ex fireballs JUST SO I CAN GET IN(loosing some health in the process). though i know how to capitalize on my aggression on runaways and usually come out top(AKA dont let those jerks get out of the friggin corner). It gets really tiring chasing after them though.

Oh and SAGAT lol love them wake up ultras when i go for a cross up, yea DEFF skills not mash right? Hk tiger tiger tiger Hk all day. And his damage is ridicolous. Oh yea lets not forget everytime i do a messiah kick i get uppercutted right in the face. Sometimes i just really feel like i cant do ANYTHING to get in on this character ESPECIALLY if they like to mash QCF/QCB plus their stupid mapped PPP buttons ugh.

And lets not forget our ol pal kennie boy. Oh man i LOVE when you do a dive kick RIGHT into an ultra. But thats my only complaint about ken, its so easy to tell when they jump so i do it before them and give em a j.HK+snake strike(ex if available).

[T20thoughts]

If you eat Ken's Ultra in the middle of a divekick, it's your own fault. Never divekick a shoto on wakeup in online play unless it's a crossup, and never try to follow that crossup with anything but crouchteching or an EX Messiah (though that last one's still dubious).
Even LP Shoryus can be punished with a throw on reaction after block, if you're fast enough. I've done it a ton of times in online matches, to the point where it's a reflex.
Against runaway shotos, it's easy to forget that you don't have to jump after them. Dash or roll or do a well-timed EX Messiah to catch up. That, or figure out how they're going to get out of the corner once they get there, and punish them with... probably something involving EX Snakehands. A non-EX Tiger Knee can be tossed right back into the corner.

[Cyberfrost849]

If you eat Ken's Ultra in the middle of a divekick, it's your own fault. Never divekick a shoto on wakeup in online play unless it's a crossup, and never try to follow that crossup with anything but crouchteching or an EX Messiah (though that last one's still dubious).
Even LP Shoryus can be punished with a throw on reaction after block, if you're fast enough. I've done it a ton of times in online matches, to the point where it's a reflex.
Against runaway shotos, it's easy to forget that you don't have to jump after them. Dash or roll or do a well-timed EX Messiah to catch up. That, or figure out how they're going to get out of the corner once they get there, and punish them with... probably something involving EX Snakehands. A non-EX Tiger Knee can be tossed right back into the corner.

well, i forgot to say it was a crossup with ken but *shrug* im sure others do feel my pain with those supposed psychic ultras they do...i meant it the same way sagats do it to me which sometimes has me feel like its too dangerous to cross up a shoto+ultra stocked

Yea i always have a habit on jumping alot of runaways, i usually am very aggro in the corner when i get them there since all they do most of the time is go for low attacks(sweep). Tiger knees i always end up with a technical =/ i just think my main problem with rufus is just his ground game

Thanks again for the advice though.

[PuFF]

I have almost quit playing online unless I am getting 5 bars. Rufus is a reaction character and if you can react in time but your Rufus doesn't do it when you do, it is game over.

[moe5000]

the dive kick is great move but it did cost me some matches, people think it's a cheap move but against someone good u have mix it up b/c an anti-air can beat it.

[Zaffy]

can i just ask, is online generall broken? so many times i will get dp'd when i am 100% certain the other person has no right dping. They will finish 1 dp and as soon as they touch the ground another comes out, i dont even have time to st.fp , GT. its stupid.

Also, lp.dp seems to own everything online, if i try punish it with low fierce i just get my hands dp;d. Just annoying.

[Mungstar]

can i just ask, is online generall broken? so many times i will get dp'd when i am 100% certain the other person has no right dping. They will finish 1 dp and as soon as they touch the ground another comes out, i dont even have time to st.fp , GT. its stupid.

Also, lp.dp seems to own everything online, if i try punish it with low fierce i just get my hands dp;d. Just annoying.

I'm wondering the same thing. Since hitting G-1 I havebeencompletely shut down using Rufus because I can't seem to get in anymore. I really like using Rufus but I've starting messing with other characters, which I can not find anyone I truly like, because I can't do shit. Really fucking frustrating.

[Kritz]

^^^
Truthfully its all a long ass waiting game, FA a few fireballs and neutral jump and keep that boring diversion going on, If you know hes going to spam DP after your Dive Kick just Target combo ROFL makes them think twice before doing it again and from there you can get into your BnB combos.

[Dannkk]

can i just ask, is online generall broken? so many times i will get dp'd when i am 100% certain the other person has no right dping. They will finish 1 dp and as soon as they touch the ground another comes out, i dont even have time to st.fp , GT. its stupid.

Also, lp.dp seems to own everything online, if i try punish it with low fierce i just get my hands dp;d. Just annoying.

On certain versions of dragon punch, the quick recovery of the first and invincible startup of the second make them very hard to punish, which is just compounded by playing online.

[suprez]

Player that does not take risk .. It's by taking risk you improve.Spamming fireball the wholematch and turtling like a idiot won't make you improve .. .AKA a akuma teleporting each time you get close and jumping/Fireball .. Geez.i hate those scrubs .. because they're costing me an opportunnity to improve.

I wonder if their mommy ever told em? It"S By taking RISK YOU IMPROVE.

I lose plenty of match but i'm getting better at timing my stuff etc.I Want to LOSE TO IMPROVE .For exemple how many time i screwed my ex tornada Kick Focus Cancel into an ultra just to be pwn in the face.But at least i'm trying to up my skill.
Because if i don't try .. i will never improve my game.

It's annoying to fight those scrubs when you want to improve.WHen i get one of those i just want to leave the match.

[vertoxz]

Good you opened this thread so I don't have to start a new one

I'm going very very mad. I've been playing today no problems, was doing quite well, got from 3000 to 3500 in a couple matches. Then I watched some TV and after a while I got back to sf4

Well, I stumble upon this guy using Zangief and ONLY used Lariat. I'm going to cry, really. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET that I can do against this buggy, overpowered, retarded move? He just mashed PPP and spammed the fuckin thing.

I know I sound like a crying noob (which I might be) but really, I am very nervous right now. I just cant fucking believe it.


When I play zangiefs online, basically all I do is lp. snake strike it beats lariat and leaves you airborne which won't let gief grab you, but if you play good giefs they'll catch on quickly so you gotta watch out.

[davidlmf]

Player that does not take risk .. It's by taking risk you improve.Spamming fireball the wholematch and turtling like a idiot won't make you improve .. .AKA a akuma teleporting each time you get close and jumping/Fireball .. Geez.i hate those scrubs .. because they're costing me an opportunnity to improve.

I wonder if their mommy ever told em? It"S By taking RISK YOU IMPROVE.

I lose plenty of match but i'm getting better at timing my stuff etc.I Want to LOSE TO IMPROVE .For exemple how many time i screwed my ex tornada Kick Focus Cancel into an ultra just to be pwn in the face.But at least i'm trying to up my skill.
Because if i don't try .. i will never improve my game.

It's annoying to fight those scrubs when you want to improve.WHen i get one of those i just want to leave the match.

if you can't beat teleporters or FB spammers, then theres a good indication of your skill and what you need to work on to improve

doesn't really make sense to say you dont want to play these players because they dont help you improve, sounds like you dont want to play because you can't beat them

maybe you should shift your focus

[Questions]

i don't mind playing online cept against those damn ken shenanigans that dragon punch the whole mother flippin time.

normally they'd be easy to punish but for some reason there seems to be some reaction halting force in the way *cough* lag *cough*

i sound like some whiny scrub but c'mon we all know online kills rufus.

[ragingdemon123]

the only thing i have consistently noticed in my play is that the mk roll comes out sometimes instead of messiah.

in general, my execution seems a lot cleaner offline than online

[Czigga]

^^^^ Good way to avoid that is to use lk+hk instead of mk+hk or lk+mk. Feels weird at first but you'll get used to it and it solves the problem completely. I used to have that problem all the time but now i never do

[superlollo]

...wasting 3 ex bars on ex messiah kick fadc ultra and have ex snake strike come out instead (especially on the left side, never happens on the right).

[jeenyus1]

A lot of these complaints sound like executional problems not problems related to online.... :S

[Rick Fn Stalvey]

i don't mind playing online cept against those damn ken shenanigans that dragon punch the whole mother flippin time.

normally they'd be easy to punish but for some reason there seems to be some reaction halting force in the way *cough* lag *cough*

i sound like some whiny scrub but c'mon we all know online kills rufus.

No, online kills your Rufus. Once you realize Rufus is more than a dive kick and EX messiah kick then you game will open up greatly. I only try to play 4 and 5 bar connections. If you are looking to online for a barometer on how good you are, stop immediately. Online to me is like an extended training mode that "helps" prepare you for offline matches and match up training. That's all.

[T20thoughts]

I'm in a remote location, and thus pretty much never get 4 or 5 bars... About the only luxury I've got is to not do 1-bar matches. Even with that, I'm having good success in G2 with Rufus. The trick is to not be predictable. If you constantly get DP-ed out of your combos after a successful divekick, divekick and then block, and punish (with a SAFE move if it's an LP DP... While walking forward for a throw or deep combo works in some cases, LP-DP spam online demands that you punish with a fast attack on the way down).

Rufus' antiair defense is tough online, but that just means you have to apply other tactics, like escaping crossup pindowns with rolls or jump backwards+HK.

Blanka is my main weakness online, mainly because of his reliance on fast attacks. Means you need to outsmart him, since he's one of the hardest characters to punish with even a little lag.

[jj85-]

lol
- missed dive kicks - punished by throws/ultras
- rolling mk instead of dive kicks - cost me tons of matches
- jump hp > crouching fp instead of ~FP GT