MvC2: Destroying Cable Part 2 [Archive]

Dasrik

01-15-2003, 03:36 PM

Cable is bad on:

* people who can engage him repeatedly. Magneto, Storm, Wolverine are among those who can keep in Cable's face after AAA has been called. He's not equipped for close range battle which is why he gets rushed the hell down by those characters. It takes a smart plan to get around them.

* comebacks. If Cable's losing, he gets ran the fuck away from and there's very little he can do to bring the opponent down short of the opponent fucking up. Storm and Dhalsim are good at this, but if Cable doesn't have a good pressure assist and is losing considerably, just about any character can just block all day while keeping at a reasonably close distance.

* characters who can stay out of AHVB range. Cable can't change the direction of his jump with anything, so characters with an airdash and effective ground game tools can bait Cable into jumping then superjump past him and keep him pinned. Characters with teleports can drop assists and get on the other side of Cable, forcing him to deal with the assist. If you can get below him and can match his jump roundhouse in speed or priority, you have the advantage there.

* careful opponents. People don't just drop shit for you to zap anymore. Opponents who are patient and force you into mistakes can beat the crap out of Cable.

Dr.B

01-15-2003, 06:32 PM

I'd say run away Iceman...He owns Cable if he doesnt throw anything or have a super chip assist against him...

-B.:cool:

Romie

01-15-2003, 08:09 PM

Use another Cable.

YieArKungFu

01-15-2003, 09:24 PM

Who beats Cable?
IMO
Magnus, Storm - rush that shit
Doom, Ironman - about equal with cable when played smart (but cable's assist may tilt the scales esp. Capcom or BH)
Wolvie - against a naked Cable only (no assist)
Megaman- Stalemate... Cable just can't punish a megablast inch from ground (and really when else am I gonna drop one).
Strider-Doom - With smart assist and teleports.
Iceman - Only if you have the lead (come and get me bitch).
Spiral - Total Counter for Cable but still hard fight.
Servebot - Only the way I play him :p.
Sentinal - Slight advantage, Maybe more.

Of course it's all theoretical, it really relies on your skill, anyone CAN beat Cable (except Roll... Roll<Shit)...

The Chief

01-16-2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Dr.B
I'd say run away Iceman...He owns Cable if he doesnt throw anything or have a super chip assist against him...

-B.:cool:

True true.

Rushing down Cable seems like the best but most predicted answer. Thats why he A L W A Y S has an AAA. Rushing in on any character with an AAA can be dealdy but Cable is worse. He WANTS you to rush in so he can nail you with his assist and AHVB.

If there was really a great way to rush him down and keep him in block stun so he can't throw assists.

To my knowledge, you can't throw assists whil in block stun.

Dasrik

01-16-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by YieArKungFu
Megaman- Stalemate... Cable just can't punish a megablast inch from ground (and really when else am I gonna drop one).Megaman doesn't stalemate Cable. In fact, I'd say he loses to him, and not in a pretty way. Dropping Megabusters one inch off floor seems nice and all until Cable figures out what's going on and starts relying on fierces and viper beams to nullify your gameplan. This means you have to close distance for Megabusters to work, and Megaman is slow as hell. I've been playing Megaman for awhile, and my conclusion is he's not what he's cracked up to be...

Oh, when all's even, Wolverine beats Cable/not-Cyclops very well.

Exodese

01-16-2003, 03:26 PM

I personally think Cable is no match against flying rushdown characters like Iron Man, Storm, and Magneto. Lately, I'm beginning to think while my opponent's Storm, Magneto, or Iron Man is on point, I'm never safe from anything when I super jump and throw grenades which causes some lag. That's one reason why I think I'm giving up Cable.

ROC

01-16-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Exodese
I personally think Cable is no match against flying rushdown characters like Iron Man, Storm, and Magneto. Lately, I'm beginning to think while my opponent's Storm, Magneto, or Iron Man is on point, I'm never safe from anything when I super jump and throw grenades which causes some lag. That's one reason why I think I'm giving up Cable.

How about giving up "super jump and throw grenades".:D

The Chief

01-16-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by ROC

How about giving up "super jump and throw grenades".:D

:lol:

Does cyke own cable?

YieArKungFu

01-16-2003, 04:06 PM

Megaman doesn't stalemate Cable. In fact, I'd say he loses to him, and not in a pretty way. Dropping Megabusters one inch off floor seems nice and all until Cable figures out what's going on and starts relying on fierces and viper beams to nullify your gameplan. This means you have to close distance for Megabusters to work, and Megaman is slow as hell. I've been playing Megaman for awhile, and my conclusion is he's not what he's cracked up to be...

yeah you're right but the reason I say that i cause my megaman team is Megaman Serve Tronne, and Megaman (at least it seems this way to me) can build meter versus cable umm -fairly- safely (but you gotta be smart) so I build a meter and switch to servebot which cable usually finds a bastard to target (and deal with in general). Plus it's not like all I do is drop megabusters I mean come on give me some credit I mix that shit up.
And as for megaman not what he's cracked up to be, everone I know calls him shit.

SLICK RICK

01-16-2003, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by ROC

How about giving up "super jump and throw grenades".:D
People still super jump and throw grenades?!:confused: :eek: That shit will get you owned.

namo444

01-16-2003, 05:21 PM

Sentinal with unfly with a smart player behind him has an advantage.....

Sentinal with unfly with an average player will be at a slight disadvantage....

The whole game between Sentinal vs Cable is to get Cable in a corner, once you've got him there, just zone him for a bit, then drop your assist, stomp, unfly, stomp, fly, call assist, fast fly, stomp.... whatever..

#1 rule when fighting Cable, always bait his assist out...

Ummm, once you've got Cable in the corner, chip as much health as you can from him...

You HAVE to play agressive vs Cable, or else you will lose.... wait a second.... why did I even say this?

A safe start-up for stomping is sj.lk, fly. Cannot be AHVB :lol:

KaiSing

01-16-2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by The Chief

Does cyke own cable?
nope. quite the other way around actually. Cable has all of cyke's options covered. Cyke can't chip safely and his strongest bread and butter can be AHVBed. Cyke is going to have to come in, which isn't easy when cable never wants to get close. Though Cyke still has some good options. Cyke can safely punish cable's assist with his c RK launcher if he super jump cancels right when the kick connects. If cable AHVBs, he blows a super.

namo444

01-16-2003, 09:35 PM

Main charcters that are used against Cable...

Any type of fast aerial rushdown charcters...

These include...

Magnus
Storm
Sent

Team Chip u to death

Strider + Doom
Sent + BH

Usually Sent + BH have a tough time vs Cable, but if Sent can stall Cable long enough for BH to come out, he'll pin him down quite easily...

basic

01-16-2003, 11:50 PM

Psylocke, once I got beat by a guy who kept on teleporting. Annoying as hell cause it ran out the clock.

_blitz

01-17-2003, 12:28 AM

i play cable and it seems to me that everyone fights cable (or should) dependant on his assists. if hes got commando then iron man is at a dissadvantage but magneto isn't really concerned with him; black heart causes storm and sent, usually another cable as well, a lot of problems. imo i think iron man's repulsor blast assist and trons rings causes magneto the most problems. i play cable ... have since i started playing the game he depends on his assist if you when you get down into it. but either way you want to look at it bringing his assists down should be #1 priority. my team : cable (b), storm (a), iron man (b) imo it is equipped to handle all of the big four. but i still have the most problems with strider/doom, sent/capcom, and .... psylocke assist... i have seen many a cables fall to psy.. i really think that psy is a big reason why msp is so good. because after you dodge the assist then hes gonna jump back, or if your fast enough to get in his face real quick then hes gonna be in the middle of doing something. psy is like giving mags or storm a reach a third or the screens size and she goes througha lot of stuff and has priority over a lot of stuff. imo she can make a difference, a big difference, and when i fight and see her on the versus screen for the other team, i push the assist 1 button and start off with storm instead. i give up the dhc into hail and risk not having a safe way in for cable to not put him up against mags/psy or storm/psy. but it could also be me and the way i play.

The Chief

01-17-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by namo444
Main charcters that are used against Cable...

Any type of fast aerial rushdown charcters...

These include...

Magnus
Storm
Sent

Team Chip u to death

Strider + Doom
Sent + BH

Usually Sent + BH have a tough time vs Cable, but if Sent can stall Cable long enough for BH to come out, he'll pin him down quite easily...

Trying to chip cable with traps and such isn't really a good idea because of gaurd canceling. I wouldn't practice it.

AsianDemon

01-17-2003, 03:34 PM

I don't like this thread and I wish someone would close it.

Anyways I find that Psyloke tri-jump +teleport is a real Cable killer only if he was alone.
But I guess I shouln't have said that since I'm a Cable player....
Oh yea another hint aswell.....
Juggs owns Cable so if anyone here plays me pick Juggs... you'll own me for free.:confused:

The Chief

01-17-2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by AsianDemon
I don't like this thread and I wish someone would close it.

Why?

chicken

01-17-2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by The Chief
To my knowledge, you can't throw assists whil in block stun. To an extent, but not to the point where you can get Cyclops to never come out. Cable can be in blocking animation (while not actually getting pressed by an attack) and call an assist. Even if he calls the assist a split second after blocking a hit, the assist will come out. So that's not a solid strategy to build on.

power-dn

01-18-2003, 04:24 AM

Learn to block. No joke.
Push Cable to the corner then block. When Cable calls out his assist, call out yours and fuck him up.
P.S. Use Storm :D

AsianDemon

01-18-2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by The Chief

Why? I'm a Cable player and dis-like for any info on how to beat him.:lol:

But since a ton of people are starting to use him more in tournaments.

Forget what I said earlier and tell me the best way to fight Cable verus Cable. I find it better to turtle and wait for their AVHB and then do your AVHB just before the laser of the other players' HVB comes out.

da_dragon

01-18-2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by AsianDemon
I'm a Cable player and dis-like for any info on how to beat him.:lol:

But since a ton of people are starting to use him more in tournaments.

Forget what I said earlier and tell me the best way to fight Cable verus Cable. I find it better to turtle and wait for their AVHB and then do your AVHB just before the laser of the other players' HVB comes out.

One on one cable vs cable can go either way....alot of people at my arcade do this alot..including me...dash and cancel it wid a c.lk...do it bout 3 times ten jst walk up and grab...if u do it enuff wen they see u doin it the'll think a throw is comin and try tech leaving their feet oen the u just clk lk hk ahvb...works for me:D

Wildcat

01-18-2003, 11:53 AM

Dragon, doesn't work on scrubs because they don't tech hit or even try to. But you shouldn't need to resort to this tactic vs. cable scrubs. AHVB their ass after their ground HVB is done.

AsianDemon

01-18-2003, 12:01 PM

Well the best way to beat another Cable with Cable is throwing.

Most best Cable players turtle and wait for the lk, but instead do a grab, and once they've adapted to grabing, you hit him with a lk, hk, AVHB.

Also lagging the hk when someone blocking the lk is also a good idea.

Dasrik

01-18-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by AsianDemon
Forget what I said earlier and tell me the best way to fight Cable verus Cable. I find it better to turtle and wait for their AVHB and then do your AVHB just before the laser of the other players' HVB comes out. That's a shitty strategy. Who's going to do AHVB when you're in front of them not doing anything?

Anyway, the best way to beat another Cable with Cable is:
* have a lead
* have more meter
* throw a lot, and if you whiff your throw, do a grenade.

KaiSing

01-18-2003, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by The Chief

Trying to chip cable with traps and such isn't really a good idea because of gaurd canceling. I wouldn't practice it.
for the most part, guard canceling is useless against Strider/Doom.

AsianDemon

01-19-2003, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by KaiSing

for the most part, guard canceling is useless against Strider/Doom. The only part that I can do with Cable against S/D is guard cancel grabing or just run like a whore.:lol: Originally posted by Dasrik
That's a shitty strategy. Who's going to do AHVB when you're in front of them not doing anything?

Anyway, the best way to beat another Cable with Cable is:
* have a lead
* have more meter
* throw a lot, and if you whiff your throw, do a grenade. Fine I mean lure him in by putting a assist in....:evil:

The Chief

01-21-2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by AsianDemon

Also lagging the hk when someone blocking the lk is also a good idea.

Lagging that kick is actually not a good idea, because you will bascally let cable out of block stun alowing him to call assists. So chances are while your pulling that leg in, your gonna get caught with...say....cyclops.

KaiSung - I know Gaurd canceling is useless (for the most part) against Strider/Doom, but that isn't the only chipping team.

da_dragon

01-22-2003, 07:16 AM

personally i hate fightng cable vs cable.....i like to play magnuz against cable...but wen it does happen it can be very annoying....cable vs cable one on one and with assist are very different matchups....as we kno cable cant fight by himself....he needs AAA's or some ground coverge....like capcom AAA or sent-G.....one on one i usually do the lil throw technique i put on page 2....but with assist i'm very careful.....make sure and dont go after the otha cable assist cuz thats bait....they can just sj and grenade then ahvb.....and most likey they'll have meter so u can count ur cable dead.....i usually try to stay in tha air calling out my assist b4 i sj, then gunshot grenade or just grenade.....but if the other cable leaves tha floor i wait till i almost hit tha floor then press fp faking a gunshot in tha air...most of the times they will try catch u but miss.....wastin their bar....wen they have no bar u can do cable's lil rushdown hoping to catch them with ur assist or lk's leading to ahvb x wuteva......thats wut i usually do....theirs my strat....wut u guys do...i'm not shure if mine is tha best way to go about it so lets hear from everyone else.....

Wildcat: There arent to0 much scrubs where i play at...believe me we have our share...wen their on tha machine i usually chill wid the owner and shit till tha big boys come in...then we take em off an they are scared to come baq on.....in my arcade u hardly eva see a ground hvb but wen u do....and i have cable..shit imma ahvb fo sure....wen i do play scrubs and no1's there i usually fuck around cuz if i play seriously they'll leave....and the thing is...i aint even top player at my arcade....there are way better people then me...

AsianDemon

01-22-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by da_dragon
personally i hate fightng cable vs cable.....i like to play magnuz against cable...but wen it does happen it can be very annoying....cable vs cable one on one and with assist are very different matchups....as we kno cable cant fight by himself....he needs AAA's or some ground coverge....like capcom AAA or sent-G.....one on one i usually do the lil throw technique i put on page 2....but with assist i'm very careful.....make sure and dont go after the otha cable assist cuz thats bait....they can just sj and grenade then ahvb.....and most likey they'll have meter so u can count ur cable dead.....i usually try to stay in tha air calling out my assist b4 i sj, then gunshot grenade or just grenade.....but if the other cable leaves tha floor i wait till i almost hit tha floor then press fp faking a gunshot in tha air...most of the times they will try catch u but miss.....wastin their bar....wen they have no bar u can do cable's lil rushdown hoping to catch them with ur assist or lk's leading to ahvb x wuteva......thats wut i usually do....theirs my strat....wut u guys do...i'm not shure if mine is tha best way to go about it so lets hear from everyone else.....

Wildcat: There arent to0 much scrubs where i play at...believe me we have our share...wen their on tha machine i usually chill wid the owner and shit till tha big boys come in...then we take em off an they are scared to come baq on.....in my arcade u hardly eva see a ground hvb but wen u do....and i have cable..shit imma ahvb fo sure....wen i do play scrubs and no1's there i usually fuck around cuz if i play seriously they'll leave....and the thing is...i aint even top player at my arcade....there are way better people then me... Yea he suxs.

There are wayy more people better than he is.:lol: Originally posted by The Chief

Lagging that kick is actually not a good idea, because you will bascally let cable out of block stun alowing him to call assists. So chances are while your pulling that leg in, your gonna get caught with...say....cyclops.

KaiSung - I know Gaurd canceling is useless (for the most part) against Strider/Doom, but that isn't the only chipping team. Whops fine then make sure that he doesn't have a assist or a super, lag the kick when you see his character twich.

justcusimasian

01-23-2003, 09:15 AM

Magneto and storm are Cable's best matchups.Unless cable has a top-tier AAA he doesn't stand a chance.

da_dragon

01-23-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by AsianDemon
Yea he suxs.

There are wayy more people better than he is.:lol: Whops fine then make sure that he doesn't have a assist or a super, lag the kick when you see his character twich.

Shudup u neva saw me play...byatch...allen u suck ass:mad: :D :lol:

Da Nu Challengr

02-07-2003, 02:01 AM

Vdo rushes down cable and sent with rogue. That shits ridiculous. Its so hard to block all that hi low stuff and if you do block it all-Kiss. So in my book either rogue, mags or storm take care of cable on point. My only prob is the assists.

Also I believe that tron is good on projectile assist against cable, because if he has an AAA other than an invincible one like ken or maybe cammy, they will come out and get owned every time. Tron is a good anti-doom, or commando:)

NJames

02-07-2003, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by Dasrik
Megaman doesn't stalemate Cable. In fact, I'd say he loses to him, and not in a pretty way. Dropping Megabusters one inch off floor seems nice and all until Cable figures out what's going on and starts relying on fierces and viper beams to nullify your gameplan. This means you have to close distance for Megabusters to work, and Megaman is slow as hell. I've been playing Megaman for awhile, and my conclusion is he's not what he's cracked up to be...

Oh, when all's even, Wolverine beats Cable/not-Cyclops very well.

Oh my gawd, who said that MM beats Cable? I'd like to beat the living hell out of them. :p That's the biggest crock of BS I've heard of these forums yet: I play MM ALL the time and Cable is by far my hardest matchup!

The ONLY way MM beats Cable is if you are a REALLY smart player and keep your assists and Mega Shots away from AHVB's. I hate the matchup.

Please don't say MM owns Cable again until you win a tournament with him. :p

-NJS-

NerenatwaH

02-08-2003, 11:47 AM

best way to fight Cable is to just run away IMO.

having said this Storm is best against him.

Rushing down is good too and Mags is good for doing that. But I think a good Cable player carefully utilizing his assists and grenades do well against Mags.

Cable/AAA (esp Cyclops) owns Sent.

_blitz

02-08-2003, 02:26 PM

i hear all this discussion about the grenades .... whats the big deal i throw grenades ... (no super jumping) all i do is catch'em on the groung with a gun shot and fire a few call storm or something and throw a grenade while storm or whatever is in their face. i do understand that grenades by their lonesome leave you wide open but why would you even do something like that with no cover :bluu:

it sounds like you guys are all (the grenade is instant death for cable) when its not ... as long you use it smart it can really be a pain in the ass for someone else.

GotchaGames

03-05-2003, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by da_dragon

Shudup u neva saw me play...byatch...allen u suck ass:mad: :D :lol:

yea da_dragon does suck :lol: nah he aiight but his cable is wack he gotta learn to run more fuck rushing down cable is awesome at running he was built with a pair of nike air's on his feet make the other person chase ur ass an wait be very patient cuz as soon as they make a mistake grenade drop kick super continue super match over !

FMJaguar

03-07-2003, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by KaiSing

for the most part, guard canceling is useless against Strider/Doom.

if you have him outside of point blank range there's a good chance you can get an ahvb off. I don't think it's practical if he locks you in the s.jabs, it's more of a reversal if you can start to get out of the trap.

wipeout911

03-20-2003, 01:36 AM

maybe it is just me but i can never beat iceman when i play with cable
that zero block damage thing really messes me up

wassup

03-20-2003, 03:00 AM

hmmmm no matter what i do i always get owned by Cable - just yesterday i fought someguy with a decent Cable/Doom/CapCom - i was using my IM/Sent/Doom and he fuckin' owned my ass - it's like i call Doom and sj. smart bombs, his Doom either trades or hits my Doom, or his CapCom eats through Doom rocks and blasts me in the air - also he keeps sj.hp and viper beams and throwing grenades and everything, if i call Doom and sj., and a grenade comes my way, blocked or not Doom is dead

i can't get in close cos his CapCom blasts me and i have to block, i attempt a ground rush and call Sent-ground - he AHVBs - and once Ironman is dead my Sent can't do jack, i can't even stomp cos i WILL get AHVBed, even my Doom can't do shit cos when i sj.photons, he sj.hp XX viper beam or AHVB

oh yeah i can't wave dash under him too cos i either eat CapCom or take chip from Doom - what can i do?????? yes i've read the whole thread and i need more help

basic

04-18-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by wassup
hmmmm no matter what i do i always get owned by Cable - just yesterday i fought someguy with a decent Cable/Doom/CapCom - i was using my IM/Sent/Doom and he fuckin' owned my ass - it's like i call Doom and sj. smart bombs, his Doom either trades or hits my Doom, or his CapCom eats through Doom rocks and blasts me in the air - also he keeps sj.hp and viper beams and throwing grenades and everything, if i call Doom and sj., and a grenade comes my way, blocked or not Doom is dead

i can't get in close cos his CapCom blasts me and i have to block, i attempt a ground rush and call Sent-ground - he AHVBs - and once Ironman is dead my Sent can't do jack, i can't even stomp cos i WILL get AHVBed, even my Doom can't do shit cos when i sj.photons, he sj.hp XX viper beam or AHVB

oh yeah i can't wave dash under him too cos i either eat CapCom or take chip from Doom - what can i do?????? yes i've read the whole thread and i need more help

Never call out Sent assist when he is using Cable. When you jump at him and he calls CapCom, you can try pushblocking to delay your fall a bit so you can get in closer to Cable. You can also do run away Doom by randomly jumping and throwing out Photo rays, don't do it too often otherwise he may AHVB you. With Sent, jump at Cable till he calls out Capcom, block that and go into flight for stomp, be sure to have command of his fly/unfly otherwise he may ahvb or call capcom out again. However it is generally it is not a good idea to have Sent on Cable cause you can be chipped to death unless you SJ and is able to get in close.

wassup

04-19-2003, 03:04 AM

hey thanks man - i've been thinking though - is it possible to pull a c.lk, c.mp XX Proton Cannon DHC HSF into 100% combo on his commando ASSIST when he calls it out? is it safe to do it? is it AHVBable??? if it's safe i don't have much else to worry about i'll just kill commando when he calls it out :evil:

basic

04-19-2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by wassup
hey thanks man - i've been thinking though - is it possible to pull a c.lk, c.mp XX Proton Cannon DHC HSF into 100% combo on his commando ASSIST when he calls it out? is it safe to do it? is it AHVBable??? if it's safe i don't have much else to worry about i'll just kill commando when he calls it out :evil:

C.mp does not connect into proton cannon plus if he's using Cable he can AHVB you. So it's not safe at all. However if you do get the proton cannon to hit Capcom and he doesn't AHVB you on PC start up, DHCing to HSF would be safe. Once the HSF has ended, you can do a C.hp and then block (anything else besides another hsf cable can ahvb).

Since you have two Char who can fly/air dash, it would probably be best to SJ (build some meter) with Ironman, hold back and falling toward, block his CapCom, and air dash df or straight with d+HP.

Throw out some air bombs with Ironman as well when you know you'll be away from Capcom's range to chip, but don't do it too often otherwise Cable will AHVB you. You want to get him to think that you will throw those bombs out so he can try to AHVB you and waste meter as you block.

Never throw out random Proton Cannons at his Capcom cause you'll be punished. If you want to attack Capcom, it'll probably be best to be using Doom and you can throw his pink stuff or his super in the air after a missed Capcom AA.

If all else fails you can snap back Capcom but that's easier said than done, or you can switch to Iceman/Cable/CapCom. That'll easily kill his team.

wassup

04-19-2003, 05:30 PM

eh i'm pretty sure c.lk, c.mp, Proton Cannon connects, unless you're saying it won't connect on his assist

i was thinking maybe when he superjumps and calls CapCom, i'll have the time to pull that combo off and kill his CapCom by doing a rocket punch reset on his assist, but i'll have to try it out

basic

04-19-2003, 11:03 PM

Yes it will connect to Capcom, what I'm saying is, that it won't hit Cable. Because after Ironman's PC there's some lag and a blocked Cable can AHVB you also it's not good for Cable to be able to jump behind your Ironman so doing that to Capcom is no good unless you are sure it'll kill off Capcom and you are willing to sacrifice Ironman.

Tanion

05-01-2003, 02:32 PM

I think Sent/Cyke has probaly a better chance of beating Cable/AAA since Cyke can pretty much stuff anything minus Cammy, Ken and another Cyclops. It's saved me a lot of times from getting AHVB. Your guys thoughts? What are some good Sent teams that can beat Cable teams?

FOBio

05-01-2003, 08:52 PM

if i'm not mistaken, a standing or crouching fp from sent can be countered by AHVB by cable if cable's blocking. just fly/unfly cancel it.

fishjie

05-01-2003, 08:55 PM

make sure cable has no super meter and then hes as mild as a kitten :)

Deathfist

05-02-2003, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by FOBio
if i'm not mistaken, a standing or crouching fp from sent can be countered by AHVB by cable if cable's blocking. just fly/unfly cancel it.

Makes a sweet fake-out when done fast enough too.
:evil:

Originally posted by fishjie
make sure cable has no super meter and then hes as mild as a kitten :)

That depends on whether the player knows how to use Cable-Cyc-b for combo igniting mind games or not AND has built out-routes into his offense. :evil:

That solves the meter dependency problem in near entirety.

:eek:

fishjie

05-02-2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Deathfist

That depends on whether the player knows how to use Cable-Cyc-b for combo igniting mind games or not AND has built out-routes into his offense. :evil:

That solves the meter dependency problem in near entirety.

:eek:

please elaborate my cable is like a fuzzy loveable bunny rabit without meter, and fuzzy bunny rabbits are easy prey :(

my built out routes into offense... umm
err jumping roundhouse??? thats all i know
help

Deathfist

05-03-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by fishjie

please elaborate my cable is like a fuzzy loveable bunny rabit without meter, and fuzzy bunny rabbits are easy prey :(

my built out routes into offense... umm
err jumping roundhouse??? thats all i know
help

-Building out-routes into your offense means that you engineer your rushdown in such a manner that you are NEVER in a situation where you either cannot escape safely or extend your rush into a throw attempt for free.

It is inappropriate [and stupid] for me to elaborate in a Destroying Cable thread further for all to see. Especially when this is my secret weapon.

MagnetiX 3

05-04-2003, 12:31 AM

I used to play against cable alot when I lived in California! All I usually do was Super Jump, and build up my meter *I use Magnus*

And when Cable messess up like when you do a Viper beam,and you see that pause,I go in for the normal RTSD routine.

onehitkill

05-08-2003, 08:54 PM

Deathfist- Cable is everyones "secret" character. :lol: Anyway this thread hopefully will let other players kill cable easier, that way US cable players can adapt and get EVEN BETTER!:evil:

ShiN WildcaT

05-09-2003, 05:40 AM

best cable outroute would probably be to just call a damn assist and toss a grenade or dash back or some shit....

Deathfist

05-09-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by onehitkill
Deathfist- Cable is everyones "secret" character. :lol: Anyway this thread hopefully will let other players kill cable easier, that way US cable players can adapt and get EVEN BETTER!:evil:

Cable isn't my secret weapon or anyone elses for that matter. What is my secret weapon is a totally unique, totally fresh tactic for disposing of certain types of characters [and it's FAST]. It is this kind of info that is my secret weapon. In order to help in your quest to dispose of this shit head [referring to Cable who is actually one of my favorite characters], I am taking this shit to my grave.

In all honesty, I am extremely interested in more and more methods of disposing of this piece too [talk about a love hate relationship I have with this guy :D ]. This stems from the fact that due to a serious lack of recent play I am now having serious problems fighting him now when before it was childs play. Same with Sentinel. That's why I'm picking up Magneto in addition to the Storm I picked up earlier.

Originally posted by MagnetiX 3
I used to play against cable alot when I lived in California! All I usually do was Super Jump, and build up my meter *I use Magnus*

And when Cable messess up like when you do a Viper beam,and you see that pause,I go in for the normal RTSD routine.

Both ideas are excellent, but with the second one, make sure it is a mistake he made. Just be alittle careful that's all.

Deathfist

05-10-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by ShiN WildcaT
best cable outroute would probably be to just call a damn assist and toss a grenade or dash back or some shit....

It depends on when he calls the assist and what he intends to do after. If he's constantly running from you and you're using Magneto, as long as you don't lose patience you will probably get to and rape him.

With My Cable as the possible exception, that pussy can't fight up close vs Magneto or Storm at all. Their triangle jumps when used smartly just ruin things for him. He has a huge hole in his defense over his head from the ground that he can't take are of at all.

Storm it's even worse. She doesen't even need to be close to Cable. Of course he could be packing Commando meaning that you risk eating it if you run. Of course, you could bait him into position to call him, wait a split second, and call your aa with Storm and air dash away so when he calls his AA it gets destroyed. And since you weren't in the area he can't AHVB the assist uness he wants you to disrupt it. Maybe if someone wants to try it they can. This seems alittle ballsy for my taste, but it might work if you get good at it.

Spiral can cause problems, but if Cable is backed by Storm-a or Doom, it isn't going to be a serious concern.

Perhaps Spiral, Storm, Sentinel could solve the Cable problem. Thoughts anyone?

MiXuP2.1

05-17-2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Deathfist

Thoughts anyone?

I think you're a theory fighter, who plays in your area?

GeekBoy

05-17-2003, 03:38 PM

If you're playing against Cable and he does a tiger knee grenade (without calling an assist first!) wave dash underneath, and he's dead. I don't really like challenging for air superiority unless I'm Storm, otherwise, if you can run a good ground game, find out when he's dropping which assist, you can really get around it. Just make sure to stay out of his upper left quadrant (AHVB edge, you WILL get caught by it).

Deathfist

05-17-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by MiXuP2.1

I think you're a theory fighter, who plays in your area?

=First half of sentence=
Strategies that work come from strategies that were untested at some point and possibly what could have been theory fighter at some point. It isn't the character's abilities, it is the player that locates these abilities and that can make the strategies useful and practical. Not every strategy a player comes up with will eventually become useful [most won't], but as long as you search experiment, and test, sooner or later you will find something that is useful. Forgive me for wanting to play alittle theory fighter for fun occasionally.

=Second half of sentence=
Irrelevant. Don't mean shit.
The Toronto and GTA players aren't far from Whitby. Some of them are good. It's just a short [and expensive] bus route or train ride [about $7.50 for GO transit + 2.50 for TTC each way and I can get free rides into town during the week]. When I do play [which I don't do as much as I did in Calgary which was once a week] I play against the GTA/Toronto players. I haven't got to know them by name yet [dreadful at remembering names], but I will.

I'm a mixture of both theory fighter and actual fighter. Both are important.

Try to avoid insulting and making fun of people who post. I refuse to tell people how to dismantle most Magnetos with Cable partly because of people like this. [This is tested information, tested by me. 35W-3L, over 80% of these with Mags dying in under 15 game seconds off the start of the match. Last time I used this tactic, there was 63 seconds left on the clock when my Cable managed to defeat MSP in a hideous OCV.]

Many other players and posters feel this way and conceal their best tactics for themselves one of which includes Genghis. I'm sure that Justin and Duc do too [I haven't seen Ducvader post in years]. Now Justin owns EVERYONE without hope of loss. And I DO remember he used to post before the fall of Shoryuken. You guys lost out BIG time.

These players have learned not to cast their pearls before swines [a lesson I'm slowly learning]. Too bad the deserving majority who aren't swines suffer too.

Genghis

05-18-2003, 12:58 AM

Well I'm sorry if I haven't been sharing my "secret tactics" but for your information I try out all my new shit at the arcade so I'm not really hiding anything. I never owned a Dreamcast so it's not like I'm practicing it at home. Usually I'm just too lazy to post. Besides, what am I suppose to say? Just make a thread everytime I find a teeny tiny new tactic? Or maybe some tactics I only share with my friends, I didn't realize I was obligated to share my tactics. I mean you can feel free to ask me anything and I'll do my best to answer it. Also, I haven't been winning much of anything and haven't had much confidence as of late so I feel my stuff is much more outdated than a handful of people. But I'm still taking shit to the next level.

Last note, sharing your tactics is not necessarily a bad idea because you can evolve the game then develop your own counter measures at which you'll be ahead of the game because you have already adapted to it. It's like those new line of pharmacuticals where if you are impotent, you take a pill to fix that but leaves you with the side of effect of baldness, and only you have the fix for baldness.

Deathfist

05-18-2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Genghis
Well I'm sorry if I haven't been sharing my "secret tactics" but for your information I try out all my new shit at the arcade so I'm not really hiding anything. I never owned a Dreamcast so it's not like I'm practicing it at home. Usually I'm just too lazy to post. Besides, what am I suppose to say? Just make a thread everytime I find a teeny tiny new tactic? Or maybe some tactics I only share with my friends, I didn't realize I was obligated to share my tactics. I mean you can feel free to ask me anything and I'll do my best to answer it. Also, I haven't been winning much of anything and haven't had much confidence as of late so I feel my stuff is much more outdated than a handful of people. But I'm still taking shit to the next level.

Last note, sharing your tactics is not necessarily a bad idea because you can evolve the game then develop your own counter measures at which you'll be ahead of the game because you have already adapted to it. It's like those new line of pharmacuticals where if you are impotent, you take a pill to fix that but leaves you with the side of effect of baldness, and only you have the fix for baldness.

I thank you for your response. It was an excellent insightfull post and good advice. As always it is well thought out, and thus I will edit the previous post to reflect the minor change in attitude. I absolutely love that last paragraph [prozak for his depression, viagra for his limp noodle, rogaine for his baldness, Big Bucks for me $$$$ :lol: ]

What I'm worried about is when people who sucked at one time and got good, good players seeing someone get dissed, and good players that got dissed just say...

"FUCK THIS, NO MORE ADVICE FOR YOUR RUDENESS AT ALL" and wind up sharing nothing. At least as far as this site goes [if not in person as well] anyways. That thought worries me more because occasionally I feel this way myself, and I'm a CASUAL player [I just know alot]. I can only imagine how some true experts [Exhibit-a: Viscant who got flamed horribly 2 years ago in his "Rankings by request post and thread] may feel.

Then they start whoring the tactics and info they unfairly [?] horded for blowouts as revenge.
:evil:

kookymanus

05-19-2003, 03:18 AM

How come no one listed Spider-man or Wolverine the fact that they can hold their own against cable. Of course theres always the factor that if u mess up with either one of them u could die, but it's do or die anyway. plus cammy can hold her own against him too. Cable players seem too have problems with cross-ups and fast combo chrc, but oh well.

Dirty

05-19-2003, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by YieArKungFu
Who beats Cable?

Sentinal - Slight advantage, Maybe more.

Theory is correct there. I have yet to meet a Sentinal that can beat my Cable. Sentinal/CapCom still doesnt beat my Cable/Naked.

It biols down to complete Rushdown. However, the best Runaway Turtle playe(Justin Wong) Can beat the best Rush down sklled player(Rodolfo Castro-rep it Kid) anyday, simple as that. Nothing can beat can beat Cable on a consistant level.

MiXuP2.1

05-19-2003, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Deathfist

=First half of sentence=
Strategies that work come from strategies that were untested at some point and possibly what could have been theory fighter at some point. It isn't the character's abilities, it is the player that locates these abilities and that can make the strategies useful and practical. Not every strategy a player comes up with will eventually become useful [most won't], but as long as you search experiment, and test, sooner or later you will find something that is useful. Forgive me for wanting to play alittle theory fighter for fun occasionally.

=Second half of sentence=
Irrelevant. Don't mean shit.
The Toronto and GTA players aren't far from Whitby. Some of them are good. It's just a short [and expensive] bus route or train ride [about $7.50 for GO transit + 2.50 for TTC each way and I can get free rides into town during the week]. When I do play [which I don't do as much as I did in Calgary which was once a week] I play against the GTA/Toronto players. I haven't got to know them by name yet [dreadful at remembering names], but I will.

I'm a mixture of both theory fighter and actual fighter. Both are important.

Try to avoid insulting and making fun of people who post. I refuse to tell people how to dismantle most Magnetos with Cable partly because of people like this. [This is tested information, tested by me. 35W-3L, over 80% of these with Mags dying in under 15 game seconds off the start of the match. Last time I used this tactic, there was 63 seconds left on the clock when my Cable managed to defeat MSP in a hideous OCV.]

Many other players and posters feel this way and conceal their best tactics for themselves one of which includes Genghis. I'm sure that Justin and Duc do too [I haven't seen Ducvader post in years]. Now Justin owns EVERYONE without hope of loss. And I DO remember he used to post before the fall of Shoryuken. You guys lost out BIG time.

These players have learned not to cast their pearls before swines [a lesson I'm slowly learning]. Too bad the deserving majority who aren't swines suffer too.

I've seen the toronto guys play mvc2, it's not pretty(sorry if i'm mistaking these guys for some other dudes i saw at nec3)

You always post silly shit like i own magnus dismantling his left testicle with my supreme ultra cable in 5 seconds maahahahahaha.

Shit just kinda wierds me out, no offense..

Deathfist

05-20-2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by MiXuP2.1

I've seen the toronto guys play mvc2, it's not pretty(sorry if i'm mistaking these guys for some other dudes i saw at nec3)

You always post silly shit like i own magnus dismantling his left testicle with my supreme ultra cable in 5 seconds maahahahahaha.

Shit just kinda wierds me out, no offense..
None taken since you apologized. It's just I know something wierd about Magneto that doesen't help him. In fact it works against him. And ironically, one of the weakest characters in the entire game VS Magneto [Cable, cough, cough] also has an increadibly easy [IMO the easiest] time exploiting it [and with horrifying results too :eek: ].

Don't worry, it wierds me out even MORE knowing this. The revenge has been a long time coming on Magneto's ass.

For the record, my Cable isn't some God-like monster or anything. It just works indescribably well vs a character [actually, a shitload of characters] he shouldn't. No big deal really IMO. There are other characters that cause my Cable problems [some of which shouldn't].

Perhaps we should get back on topic.

Deathfist

07-15-2003, 08:43 PM

EXTREMELY LONG POST ALERT INSULTING BOSCO THE BRAINLESS.

I usually try to avoid insulting people over the internet. It's rarely appropriate and never benefits anyone who sees it. Since I'm in a bad mood, I'm gonna vent some steam and make an exception. Your hatred and lack of intellect earned it. I hope this thread gets closed because of this asshole. It'll mainly be on your head anyways. I'm also removing my subscription to it so that I won't be astempted to respond to your brainlessness.

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1] Originally posted by Deathfist
With My Cable as the possible exception, that pussy can't fight up close vs Magneto or Storm at all. Their triangle jumps when used smartly just ruin things for him. He has a huge hole in his defense over his head from the ground that he can't take are of at all.
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Originally posted by Bosco

2]actually no. You were never good back in Calgary. You're just a theory fighter. Sorry to burst your bubble.

3]noone wanted to hear you yammering in Calgary so I guess that's why you're doing it on these forums.

1]What you quoted of mine was posted a long time ago IMO let alone the fact it was a generalization of what I at the time saw in many other Cables. I didn't see this in mine. What Cable cannot do himself, his assists can. Also, the modification to my game VS Mags occured since moving here to Ontario.

Let's now examine these lines in extreme detail to understand just how dilusional, negative minded, narrow minded, and stupid you are.

2]this from above is bullshit for 2 reasons:
-As I learned stuff and found things that I thought could be useful, I shared them IMMEDIATELY. I got others to test the things I wouldn't have time to test, and unselfishly helped others often to the point of detriment to my own game. I hid nothing, I shared everything, I experimented too much often to the point of occasionally not mastering some things I should have; big mistake.
-Do you think I haven't improved in the 9 months it's been since I've been in Calgary? If you really think I didn't [which your post strongly implies], you're the dumbest person on the forums.

3]this from above is also bullshit for at least 2 reasons:
- I've cut down on my posting.
I don't play nearly as much anymore therefore there is no need to talk about the game. This makes your response outdated and inaccurate. I don't want to either risk comprimising other people's game with potentially outdated stuff [VERY unlikely, but am being sure], or share stuff with people like you that is worthwhile Bosco. You're the perfect example of a dilusional asshole that I was talking about when I responded to Genghis and Mixup. If I post it, assholes like you may insult it possibly comprimising players games who it may help [Especially if it's based on something that CANNOT get outdated in it's outlined situation.] Worse yet, you may use it if it is useful [you're to dilusional and stupid Bosco so that wouldn't happen] and improve themselves. I may be helping an asshole who doesen't deserve it to improve his game. He may then go forwards and treat someone else like shit later.

- You're globalizing based on your personal bias towards me. There are people that had no interest in what I had to say. If everyone agreed with everyone else, life would be so fucking boring. Nevertheless there were at least as many [actually FAR more] that were interested. I NEVER EVER said I was godly at MvC2. I'm meerely am a very competent player.

And in closing, it's kinda odd how nobody insults me to my face. Only on Computers and to my back. Talking shit while hiding behind screen names, and waiting till I am on the opposite side of the country appears to be the name of the game.

Everyone has the right to be stupid if they want. Everyone has the right to be dillusional if they want. You're abusing both priviledges.