Do they Belong? [Archive]

Doctachud

07-09-2009, 12:09 PM

asiantom

07-09-2009, 12:25 PM

Does anybody ever think that
Gen and Rose don't belong in this game
like it just doesn't make sense
to put them in the game when
more deserving/popular characters could
be there IMO they should have put
Guy and Karin that would be a whole lot
cooler. but its just me?

This is an odd thing to put in the Gen forums. :rofl:

my 2 cents on the matter is, I don't like having six shotos in SFIV.

Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Dan, Sakura...

Ryu, Ken, and Akuma - that's fine. I don't really care of Dan and Sakura are fan favorite, I would have picked Birdie, Guy, Karin, etc. over them. Gouken is kind of cool I guess, but he's still just another shoto.

This is all personal opinion of course. So with that, Gen and Rose are a huge step over Dan and Sakura because they're actually unique characters. Dan and Sakura are definitely unique to themselves, but at the end of the day they are shotos to me.

Also I don't really see how Karin or Guy are more deserving than Gen. SF1!!!

Orochi_Shoto

07-09-2009, 04:06 PM

I think I wouldn't play this game if Gen wasn't in it.

In fact I was on the verge of quitting this game because I didn't like the roster or rather how well I connected with it, then I discovered how much fun Gen is.

Besides, Guy isn't that cool to me, very overrated.

Geese Pants

07-09-2009, 04:07 PM

CraigEgg

07-09-2009, 04:30 PM

The OP has alot of bait in the water.

Gen has been around since SF1. He belongs for sure.

I just want him to have a few slight buffs :wgrin:

Edit: and in buffs I mean throw immune on Gekiro and Rolly fingers plus normal 1000 life/stun.

MetalxHealthx

07-09-2009, 04:37 PM

Does anybody ever think that
Gen and Rose don't belong in this game
like it just doesn't make sense
to put them in the game when
more deserving/popular characters could
be there IMO they should have put
Guy and Karin that would be a whole lot
cooler. but its just me?

i dunno how anyone could think Gen dosent fit in... i mean i know im kinda biased cause i like him and this is the Gen forum and all but hes a character that is really different, and brings alot of variety to the table imho. i would even back up Rose too, shes much different then the rest of the cast and that adds variety/depth.
the more different a character can be played then other characters the better imo, like viper playing the way she does and being the only character to have a super jump, and gouken's counters.
and if anyone wasent deserving it was obviously the extra shotos...
i wouldent lump gouken in with the shotos, i can see why he could be considered a shoto but at least capcom finally made 1 shoto that plays different, i think gouken feels pretty fresh.

Edit: also like others have said, Gen has been around since SF1, him and Sagat are practically the only ones left(besides Ryu and Ken obviously). BRING ON ADON lol.

TenorFighter

07-09-2009, 06:05 PM

This is an odd thing to put in the Gen forums. :rofl:

my 2 cents on the matter is, I don't like having six shotos in SFIV.

Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Dan, Sakura...

Ryu, Ken, and Akuma - that's fine. I don't really care of Dan and Sakura are fan favorite, I would have picked Birdie, Guy, Karin, etc. over them. Gouken is kind of cool I guess, but he's still just another shoto.

This is all personal opinion of course. So with that, Gen and Rose are a huge step over Dan and Sakura because they're actually unique characters. Dan and Sakura are definitely unique to themselves, but at the end of the day they are shotos to me.

Also I don't really see how Karin or Guy are more deserving than Gen. SF1!!!

Don't forget Sagat. Although Rose has a very slow fireball she does have a fierball game why not say she's one too?

As far as gouken.? Other than a fireball game I don't
think he is anywhere near what Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, Sakura... are with the Dragon punches. I think he has his own unique twist. (My other favorite). personally i'm tired of shoto characters. I hardly ever play them except Gouken. There's something about him i really like.

To me its more challenging to learn a style like Gen's - even fei and abel are more interesting than throwing fireballs all the time.

i would love to see Karin and possibly guy - they were unique in their own way.

Gen all the way baby.

asiantom

07-10-2009, 06:08 AM

Don't forget Sagat. Although Rose has a very slow fireball she does have a fierball game why not say she's one too?

As far as gouken.? Other than a fireball game I don't
think he is anywhere near what Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, Sakura... are with the Dragon punches. I think he has his own unique twist. (My other favorite). personally i'm tired of shoto characters. I hardly ever play them except Gouken. There's something about him i really like.

To me its more challenging to learn a style like Gen's - even fei and abel are more interesting than throwing fireballs all the time.

i would love to see Karin and possibly guy - they were unique in their own way.

Gen all the way baby.

Although Sagat throws fireballs and has an uppercut, I guess I put him in the same category as Ryu, Ken, Akuma where I think that he's just a staple character in the game and it's fine to me.

When I say 'shoto' it isn't meaning anyone with a fireball. It was meaning any of the character who might use the 'shotokan' fighting style or a derivative of it.

kung fu trinity

07-10-2009, 06:34 AM

he man Gen is belong to street fighter what's the problem
guy isn't belong to this game(final fight)

this game have a lot of shotos (hadoken / shoryu / tatsumaki )

Jude

07-10-2009, 08:58 AM

I was kind of bummed with just the arcade roster, it was like Street Fighter 2: The Newer Challengers. I really expected Alex to make the cut but Abel is still an interesting character. But what I really felt it was missing was a Yun or Yang type character. (I play Yang in 3S)

I never played the alpha games too much but I always thought that if I got serious about them I would play Gen, so I was pleasantly surprised when they put him in it. I wouldn't at all say that they don't belong but I'm all for adding in some more characters on the next go around.

Onemanarmada

07-10-2009, 10:57 AM

Nothing wrong with C.Viper, Gouken, Sakura, Gen and the rest Imo.

I just dont see why Capcom made them so much worse comparing to the flowchart characters. Is there any real reason why the characters in this game are not properly balanced?

Orochi_Shoto

07-10-2009, 03:22 PM

I don't keep up on tiers or anything, but I thought C.Viper is thought highly of?

Also, Gen holds his own VERY well against the entire cast. I would readily pick him in any match-up anymore.

Oh, and SF1 Gen ftw haha!

Mnszyk

07-10-2009, 03:26 PM

Rose and Gouken are not shotos, and you're treading on thin ice by calling Sagat one. I don't think Sagat is a shoto at all - I mean if you're just going by fireballs and a DP, you're going to have to start calling Seth a shoto. Sakura is definitely not a shoto because her DP and fireballs and hurricane kick are all used completely different to how a shoto would.

Nothing wrong with C.Viper, Gouken, Sakura, Gen and the rest Imo.

I just dont see why Capcom made them so much worse comparing to the flowchart characters. Is there any real reason why the characters in this game are not properly balanced?

You just listed like all the strongest console and new characters, except Rufus I guess. I think all of them are at least as strong as Ken, and several of them are definitely better. This game is very well balanced for a new fighting game.

sfmaniac

08-05-2009, 10:20 PM

Guy can't be in SF IV because Capcom doesn't have the rights for Final Fight characters

Mindstate

08-07-2009, 06:01 AM

This thread displeases me
however

The chronology of this annoys me
SF1 - Gen is there
SFAlpha - Gen there again
SF2 - No Gen
SF4 - Guess whos back...Back aGEN
SF3 - Gen is there in soul (Yun and Yang)

coldviper18

08-08-2009, 04:06 AM

Imo if anyone doesn't belong its that fatty and the stupid nacho libre wannabe. If anything just add more to the cast, I'd like to see t hawk and dee jay.

123►Genei-Jin

08-08-2009, 04:15 AM

Guy can't be in SF IV because Capcom USA doesn't have the rights for Final Fight characters

Fixed (or was it Capcom japan? lol now I'm not so sure which branch has the rights)

DHEvil

08-08-2009, 01:33 PM

This is an odd thing to put in the Gen forums. :rofl:

my 2 cents on the matter is, I don't like having six shotos in SFIV.

Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Dan, Sakura...

Ryu, Ken, and Akuma - that's fine. I don't really care of Dan and Sakura are fan favorite, I would have picked Birdie, Guy, Karin, etc. over them. Gouken is kind of cool I guess, but he's still just another shoto.

This is all personal opinion of course. So with that, Gen and Rose are a huge step over Dan and Sakura because they're actually unique characters. Dan and Sakura are definitely unique to themselves, but at the end of the day they are shotos to me.

Also I don't really see how Karin or Guy are more deserving than Gen. SF1!!!

6 shotos? Try 9. Yes, even Rose.

And beyond that we have characters that play quite similairly to each other, such as:

Vega+Gen

Abel+Zangief (yeah, I know there's quite abit of difference in approach, but honestly, Zangief is just a simplified Abel).

Balrog+M. Bison+Guile(??)+Chun Li(??) (The jury is out on Guile/Chun... yes they have projectiles unlike Balrog and Bison, but alot of high level Guile/Chun play is surprisingly similair to Bison and Balrog, i.e. poking ALOT, footsies, throwing out safe jab specials, walk up throws, sweeps etc. And of course, all their' inputs are the same... mostly. Plus, Guile and Chun share an air throw.)

So yeah, the roster to SF4 is pretty disappointing in my opinion.

Orochi_Shoto

08-08-2009, 02:52 PM

DHEvil

08-08-2009, 11:31 PM

The only things Gen and Vega have in common are rolls and flying across the screen. Since most of the cast can fly across the screen, we'll rule that out. The only thing they have in common are rolls.

I don't know, their' pokes are both pretty good, and I'm sure they're the only ones that can fly across the screen in such a way.

Alot of Gens play Gen very much like Vega, using hit and run, aerial cheese etc.

Then you've got the foot speed play in there, with fast dashes etc.

Only things I see in terms of major difference is that Gen has a crossup, and comboable super/ultra. If those weren't there, they'd be pretty gosh darned similair.

coldviper18

08-08-2009, 11:48 PM

I don't know, their' pokes are both pretty good, and I'm sure they're the only ones that can fly across the screen in such a way.

Alot of Gens play Gen very much like Vega, using hit and run, aerial cheese etc.

Then you've got the foot speed play in there, with fast dashes etc.

Only things I see in terms of major difference is that Gen has a crossup, and comboable super/ultra. If those weren't there, they'd be pretty gosh darned similair.

I dunno what gens you've been watching but good gens are mostly about zoning with mk hands and cross ups. Most good gens don't really use the wall dives, only in very specific situations should it be use other than ex to escape danger.

I also don't know what this hit and run tactic is your talking about. Generally with gen, when you get in, you want to stay in, not hit and run. He doesn't have the health or ways to get in to just hit it and quit it. With the exception of zangief of course.

DHEvil

08-09-2009, 12:22 AM

Well I guess I just don't have enough experience against good Gens, then.

I still say him and Vega are alittle too similair.

Orochi_Shoto

08-09-2009, 02:16 AM

Then there's the fact that Gen is just better. :razz:

InfinitR

08-12-2009, 12:22 AM

Always loved Gen, ever since Street Fighter I. I love playing him, just wish he was a bit stronger. I can't help but try to mix it all in.....he just has so many ways to play.

Waveburst

08-12-2009, 07:31 PM

I'd say Gen and Rose belong, people are always gonna want one of their favs that isn't in the game though. I didn't mind that Deejay and T-Hawk weren't in it at first but now I kinda wish they were. I don't even like them all that much go figure.

Clunetastic

08-14-2009, 09:10 AM

6 shotos? Try 9. Yes, even Rose.

And beyond that we have characters that play quite similairly to each other, such as:

Vega+Gen

Abel+Zangief (yeah, I know there's quite abit of difference in approach, but honestly, Zangief is just a simplified Abel).

Balrog+M. Bison+Guile(??)+Chun Li(??) (The jury is out on Guile/Chun... yes they have projectiles unlike Balrog and Bison, but alot of high level Guile/Chun play is surprisingly similair to Bison and Balrog, i.e. poking ALOT, footsies, throwing out safe jab specials, walk up throws, sweeps etc. And of course, all their' inputs are the same... mostly. Plus, Guile and Chun share an air throw.)

So yeah, the roster to SF4 is pretty disappointing in my opinion.

You're really dumb

Half of Gen plays SIMILIARLY to Vega, but there is an entire seperate move set that makes playing as them completely different.

Abel and Zangief just no.

Rose a Shoto. She can't even srk dipshit. She plays 0% like shotos. and who are the other 2?

The last one is also wrong. Bison mkes his game by mixing it up with flying moves and rushing. Balrog can rush or turtle. Chun Li plays nothing like either of those two and putting Guile in there leads me to believe you are developmentally disabled.

LouisF

08-14-2009, 10:32 AM

Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, Dan, Sakura, Sagat, Seth and Rose are probably the nine he thinks are Shotos.

It's a very broad understanding of the term Shoto.

Orochi_Shoto

08-14-2009, 12:03 PM

Shoto is short for Shotokan. There are not 9 characters that train this.

AQUA-PURA

08-14-2009, 04:24 PM

No idea how op thinks Guy should be in the game, he's just way too fast.

DHEvil

08-15-2009, 03:01 AM

Shoto is short for Shotokan. There are not 9 characters that train this.

There are two definitions of shoto. Shotokan karate, and shoto the play style of a character.

Rose is just as much a shoto as Ken or Dan are. Let's take a look at the facts:

-She has a dp move. Not a strike, true, and not comboable, but it's a DP move. This move is the only reason why anyone would ever argue she is not a shoto, but even then it shares similairities with classic dp's, in the motion, and in its' intention.

-She has a fireball. She even has a shinkuu hadouken.

-She has a forward moving strike similair to Sagats' tiger knee or Dans' danku in her soul spiral.

-Alot of her playstyle involves alot of footsies, just like Ryu, and she shares a few normals which you'd expect to see on a shoto, such as her cr.fierce.

The only thing that seperates her is that her dp move is a grab, and not a strike. But that just makes her a shoto variant, rather than a full on shoto. If her dp WERE a strike, there'd be no question. Case closed.

You're really dumb

Half of Gen plays SIMILIARLY to Vega, but there is an entire seperate move set that makes playing as them completely different.

Abel and Zangief just no.

Rose a Shoto. She can't even srk dipshit. She plays 0% like shotos. and who are the other 2?

The last one is also wrong. Bison mkes his game by mixing it up with flying moves and rushing. Balrog can rush or turtle. Chun Li plays nothing like either of those two and putting Guile in there leads me to believe you are developmentally disabled.

No, you're really dumb. Balrog, M. Bison, Guile, AND Chun Li rely on alot of poking and safe special pressure, and all share an above average walkspeed which makes certain other tactics (such as walk up throw) common amongst those four characters.

You're admitting that, at least half the time, Gen plays similairly to Vega. Well done.

As for Rose, look up. I just crushed you.

Zangief is a simplified Abel in that he has:

-A command grab, similair in terms of properties and damage as tornado throw

-A forward moving strike capable of knockdown (though only on EX) comparable to change of direction (though arguably not intended for the same purposes)

-A mobility enhancing invincible move in his lariat, similair in intention to Abels' roll, though obviously the mobility component is reduced in comparison to make up for its' offensive potential.

Only really big differences are the super and ultra, and some normals. Case closed.

D-Proto

08-15-2009, 03:28 AM