Future of Japanese elites and SFIV scene in Japan

[shinobaka]

I just wanted to try to start a thread that really kept on the subject of outcome of elite Japanese players regarding to the no arcade release factor.

I'm not here to cry about how arcade scene will die in Japan, but only the outcome of their SFIV community and the possible handicap it will put on the japanese players from being able to take their knowledge and skills to a competitive arcade to push the games depths to its fullest.

I know some say well if they love SFIV then buy it. Its really not just about SFIV bu SF culture in general..... whats better? to go to a well populated area with actual people willing to give it all they have based on their cards, yen, pride? Or do you think Japanese elites like to stay home and watch scrubs mess around online and get a great player every now and then.

I could go on forever but I hope most get my point. Like I said.... if you dont care about the skill and talent in the Japanese SFIV community then I would perfectly understand why you dont care about a no arcade release.... but for those who were always fascinated at their growth and of how they push our elites at major tournaments.... I was wondering what everyone's opnion was.... this is a not a no arcade thread.... its the future of Japanese SF talent thread

[Phenomenub]

where the hell does it say there will be no arcade release?

[shinobaka]

oh sorry Ono did an interview with game reactor saying that there would not be an arcade release... some people think he is yanking our chain... but let just treat the topic as if it is true.... but yea he stated in an interview with game reactor it should be on event hubs

[HBRD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzTaGSBkVpM

I'm hoping it was a mixup in translation. That would be a harsh blow to the SF scene abroad.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Not having an arcade release is dumb.

[hardbodycore]

The japanese will for the most part Drop the game

i see it being a joke of a game (competitively speaking) for the japanese.

its a shame capcom has negleted the cabinets this time around

smh.

[SaintMo]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=210140 petition here
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=210127 discussion here
this thread to discuss future of japan elite (Even though that's happening in both threads :/)

[Xeris]

Email Capcom about it lawl

[x G a m b ii t]

Because SSFIV is not been released in the arcades in Japan suddenly all the arcade scene is going to die over there WTF, Street Fighter 4 is not the only popular game over there period.

[HyperDuel]

I check my local Japanese PCB suppliers and they are starting to get more used SFIV Taito TypeX2 kits for sale everyday.

With the no arcade announcement I will wonder how many more SFIV kits will be for sale soon.

[masked rider]

I'll still pick up SSFIV, but I can't take it very seriously if it's going to turn out like HDR. I don't care much for games that are only played in a few regions of the world rather than globally.

[.:: Miz ::.]

More people play SF4 on Xbox360 or the PS3 then do in arcades, I am sure of it.

[hardbodycore]

^uve completely missed the point sherlock.

[.:: Miz ::.]

^uve completely missed the point sherlock.

Names not Sherlock, and I understand rather well that no arcade release means that there will be fewer people in the Asian Nations that will play this game, but hell, it's not like they don't sell and buy Playstation and Microsoft consoles over there or anything.

[HyperDuel]

Wow so I check how much a used SFIV kit is going for in Japan and my god they are dropping in price really quick. About $5,200 if you want a complete kit now.

Compare to $20,000+ to buy the kit before launch.

If the price continue to drop in the coming months then it's a sign that people are dropping the game (and so are the game centers).

Usually for fighting games it's normal since when a new version is announced the old version get cheap really quick since the game centers are preparing to get the new version and selling their old version to PCB shops.

For SFIV case it is different since SSFIV won't have an arcade release as of right now.

If the PCB set price continues to drop in the coming months then that's a sign that people/game centers are truly dropping the game.

[Matty]

I'll still pick up SSFIV, but I can't take it very seriously if it's going to turn out like HDR. I don't care much for games that are only played in a few regions of the world rather than globally.

This isn't exactly like HDR. This will be released in Japan.

[dualmatrix]

There are just as much Japanese scrub players as there are US online scrub players. Just because they're from Japan and have arcades doesn't mean they are some godly elitist experts.

You've got it all wrong. The thing about arcades in Japan is that the good players play together, discuss strategy and make each other better. This really goes for arcades in general as I'm sure the same goes on in arcades place in US. The whole world learns a lot from playing and watching videos of them playing. This means that we won't find out tricks/tips of each character quite as fast. We won't be able to see their combos, links, etc. So in a way, not having arcades affects us even though we live in an area where there aren't any arcades.
Sure, we can watch videos of Non-Japanese players and learn. But wouldn't you want to watch videos of both non-Japanese and Japanese. With no release, we lose half of our options.

Anyway, I personally believe Ono is BSing us and there will be an arcade release. I imagine a lot of them will be dropping the game and play something else. SF4 is only #6 arcade game in Japan according to Arcade magazine. If they do keep playing, they're skills won't be quite as good because of no arcade environment.

[BentoBox]

@dual, then it is up to the americans to step up and actually use the internet for what's its best used for: sharing information. It's already widely acknowledged that we are much more secretive about leaking info as to keep that edge over the competition. You don't see the top heads of the US scene pouring out their findings on these boards, yet you could go to Japanese arcades and discuss with Daigo probably as easily as any random. With improved lobbies/netcode, we are actually looking at a brighter future for our scene.

[Sosage]

Prediction: It will be a "B board" release, or software only upgrade and prices for SFIV boards across the ocean will go back on the rise.

I hate to use the dick-like cliche, "It's not like it is difficult..." when discussing games and what developers can do...but...I mean. If it still runs off the same hardware and engine...???

[Machineking1313]

I love the thought of people boycotting the game, just like how people are going to boycott Left for Dead 2....has SFIV gotten that low of a fanbase now? Boycott the game they love over arcade release?

[rycexboi]

I love the thought of people boycotting the game, just like how people are going to boycott Left for Dead 2....has SFIV gotten that low of a fanbase now? Boycott the game they love over arcade release?

Whos boycotting the game?, I only saw a petition for arcade release.

[dav3yb]

My hope is that there will still be a scene, just a different one from the traditional arcade. stores perhaps setting up xbox's/ps3's and running the game themselves... basically LAN center type stuff.

But it'll be interesting to keep an eye on it.

[Daidoji Kage]

I see why people feel that it would be a problem. I understand that for years the small and elite (I say 'elite' with respect, not with hate) group of Japanese players has been able to push certain games further than they otherwise would have gone in terms of play and development.

That being said, I don't really care if the Japanese don't get an arcade release. They will have to find ways to adapt much like we have for years. SF4 has enough of a player base in America and with the advent of online gaming (though flawed, but improving) and a rising popularity of competitive gaming here, I'm fine with letting the scene shift westward.

The absolute worst thing I could see happening, is the Japanese (and some Western copy-cats) holding vehemently to the original arcade release while the rest of the gaming world marches on to the updates.

I hope the Japanese get updates to their arcade machines. I think they should get them. But if they don't? It would be some really lame bullshit to let SSF4 fall by the way side simply because the Japanese aren't running it.

[Elliott]

The idea of scrubby american 2009-registered SRK users boycotting SSFIV because their man-crush Daigo Umehara won't be able to play it at Big Box arcade in Japan gives me a hearty chuckle!

[raeli]

The idea of scrubby american 2009-registered SRK users boycotting SSFIV because their man-crush Daigo Umehara won't be able to play it at Big Box arcade in Japan gives me a hearty chuckle!

Who's boycotting? I just think that shit's not going to go anywhere if we don't have an arcade release, because Japan just won't touch it, then. Then we won't get another Street Fighter. It's as simple as that.

[Overworld]

I hope the Japanese get updates to their arcade machines. I think they should get them. But if they don't? It would be some really lame bullshit to let SSF4 fall by the way side simply because the Japanese aren't running it.

That is I think the best way to approach it.


Who's boycotting? I just think that shit's not going to go anywhere if we don't have an arcade release, because Japan just won't touch it, then. Then we won't get another Street Fighter. It's as simple as that.

It's as simple as that? You're making some pretty big assumptions. Street Fighter IV made more than enough money abroad for Capcom to decide to focus on those markets.

[Daidoji Kage]

Who's boycotting? I just think that shit's not going to go anywhere if we don't have an arcade release, because Japan just won't touch it, then. Then we won't get another Street Fighter. It's as simple as that.

It's not anywhere near as simple as that.

If this whole 'no arcade release' thing is true, it's based on a marketing/monetary decision. Reading into that not too far tells me that the Japanese companies like Capcom are finally starting to realize that the world of gaming does not begin and end with Japan.

I think it's all bs though. For fuck's sake, if KOF12 can get an arcade release and SNK is a gang of incompetant losers, I think Capcom is just drawing up hype.

"What do you mean we can't have an arcade release? We'll play the hell out of an arcade release if you do one!"

Savy.

[COMMONSENSE]

This is just terrible. Just terrible. So let me get this straight less take the most strongest and dedicated scene that helps establish the game and leave them out in the cold. I understand why because it kind of grimey having all these arcades buy this expensive arcade that they probably havent even made there money on and tell them to get another one. With that being said scene going to be hurt drasticly.

[Jan]

Anybody who doesn't see the damage this does to our community is a fool. It's cool to be good in the U.S., but being good in Japan means something completely different. If we don't have Japan to compete with then what is the point?

[raeli]

It's as simple as that? You're making some pretty big assumptions. Street Fighter IV made more than enough money abroad for Capcom to decide to focus on those markets.

Let's assume Ono isn't lying to us for the 50th time and their won't be an arcade release.

Japan isn't going to play the game seriously at all. "Having a console port isn't necessary, however having an arcade one is." It doesn't get any plainer than that.

On top of that you add that since no one over there will be playing it, there will be no SFIV at Tougeki, and we're just getting further up shit creek, paddles long lost.

Capcom will realize that this game made no money for them outside of a certain hardcore demographic who's money they can always count on with releases like this. Infact, they killed over half of that demographic by not making an arcade release.

They then go back to rehashing shitty Megaman spinoffs or setting up an angsty Dante adventure that's fun for the whole family, never to think about that silly fireball throwing Ryu or that flippy cracked out korean bitch Juri ever again. End.

[Novastorm]

Anybody who doesn't see the damage this does to our community is a fool. It's cool to be good in the U.S., but being good in Japan means something completely different. If we don't have Japan to compete with then what is the point?

...........seriously?

What's the point in Basketball? USA is the only place where it's big.
What's the point in American Football? USA is the only place where it's big.
Trust me, you can compete with eachother just fine...hell you even had a north VS south once!

[Daidoji Kage]

Anybody who doesn't see the damage this does to our community is a fool. It's cool to be good in the U.S., but being good in Japan means something completely different. If we don't have Japan to compete with then what is the point?

How's JPN1000 treating you? Going to take JPN1001 in Spring?

[Tadinho]

if the game will be really better than SF4, i think japenese elite players will adabt to playing it on a modified arcade with a console inside

[raeli]

if the game will be really better than SF4, i think japenese elite players will adabt to playing it on a modified arcade with a console inside

You don't understand, there's no way to actually set that up feasibly on a pay-to-play basis.. :|

[Daidoji Kage]

if the game will be really better than SF4, i think japenese elite players will adabt to playing it on a modified arcade with a console inside

Well, that might be questionable.

A2Gold and A3Upper were arguably better than their predecessors, but no effort to change the scene was ever taken seriously. I think the issue is more critical mass of players.

[Snow_B]

If some1 belive that SFIV tournament scene would be as it is today without SFIV in the arcades is prolly blind or rather stupid. Just look at europe where pretty much you don't have any arcades. Thats how SFIV would look like if it was consoles only.

[Daidoji Kage]

If some1 belive that SFIV tournament scene would be as it is today without SFIV in the arcades is prolly blind or rather stupid. Just look at europe where pretty much you don't have any arcades. Thats how SFIV would look like if it was consoles only.

Bullshit.

Consoles are important because of the sheer volume of players who now have access to the game where before, it may have just been Cali players or NY players.

We know that console fighters are going to have lots more casual and scrubby players because of that access, but at the same time, you're building towards that critical mass of players where new skill and strategy is ground out of the works.

[Metroxylon]

This thread is too redundant....

[Novastorm]

If some1 belive that SFIV tournament scene would be as it is today without SFIV in the arcades is prolly blind or rather stupid. Just look at europe where pretty much you don't have any arcades. Thats how SFIV would look like if it was consoles only.

First of all you're comparing a country (bigger than western europe) where everyone speaks english to europe, where for me personally i speak dutch but if i go 100 miles east they speak german, 100 miles south they talk french, and yet within my country alone there's plenty of offline tournaments, and people organising offline meets, so i don't know exactly what you think is wrong with "how SF4 looks if it's consoles only"?

[Overworld]

Capcom will realize that this game made no money for them outside of a certain hardcore demographic who's money they can always count on with releases like this. Infact, they killed over half of that demographic by not making an arcade release.

I guess this is where we disagree. I believe Street Fighter IV's success came from how many casuals bought in, not about the hardcore. (The Hardcore bought into many Capcom games in the past, none with the level of success as SFIV).

There is a reason why fighting games were becoming very niche and it wasn't about the quality of the games (Mortal Kombat and DOA doing well for example) it was because casual fans weren't playing them. Why make a game only a small group will play when I can make Devil May Cry Ultimate Box Set and make more? The game hit a chord with the casuals and it's that what is driving this decision I think.

Not to mention how compartively poorly SFIV does in comparison to other arcade games, I'm thinking this is more Capcom seeing what an investment like this will return.

[Guessing]

...........seriously?

What's the point in Basketball? USA is the only place where it's big.
What's the point in American Football? USA is the only place where it's big.
Trust me, you can compete with eachother just fine...hell you even had a north VS south once!

The best players in the nba and nfl are in the US, if some Asian/European team wins there little tournament in basketball and football wtf really cares. Same with sf the best players are in japan so who the fuck cares if they're not playing.

[k4polo]

Arcade are very popular in Japan? Perhaps they make a big profit from SSFIV, arcade release in Japan. Perhaps people will flock the machines. Then again I do not know the economic aspect of it.

[Daidoji Kage]

The best players in the nba and nfl are in the US, if some Asian/European team wins there little tournament in basketball and football wtf really cares. Same with sf the best players are in japan so who the fuck cares if they're not playing.

Japanese & Baseball.

They learned the American past-time and are competitive at it.

American Soccer is becoming competitive.

The only good thing that will really benefit everyone playing competitive fighting games should a Japanese arcade release come to light, is that all the Nihon dick-riders will quit playing and the rest of us can get on with improving the competitive scene.

It's one thing to respect and admire the innovation and dedication that Japan has had to its arcade scene over the years, it's another thing entirely to be a slave to something 90% of those people doing the worshipping will never, EVER see.

[experiMILK]

I guess this is where we disagree. I believe Street Fighter IV's success came from how many casuals bought in, not about the hardcore. (The Hardcore bought into many Capcom games in the past, none with the level of success as SFIV).

There is a reason why fighting games were becoming very niche and it wasn't about the quality of the games (Mortal Kombat and DOA doing well for example) it was because casual fans weren't playing them. Why make a game only a small group will play when I can make Devil May Cry Ultimate Box Set and make more? The game hit a chord with the casuals and it's that what is driving this decision I think.

Not to mention how compartively poorly SFIV does in comparison to other arcade games, I'm thinking this is more Capcom seeing what an investment like this will return.

i think people are just assuming that everyone plays sfiv in japan, when in reality the arcade release was pretty lukewarm. nothing as bad as kof xii, but still kind of average and maybe even not worth their money. i've heard that demon bride also kind of bombed recently, although i don't know that for sure. It can cost a company a lot of money to take a risk on something like an arcade release, even in japan. it's not like their the only fighting game on the block, and that old school style of 2d fighter (as compared to the more execution heavy combo fest of popular doujin style games like gg/bb and arcana) might not strike a chord with the current (dwindling) japanese arcade scene. That, and add in the factor that money is tight right now, and people aren't willing to spend DOUBLE their yen to get good at more than one game, and that ssfiv release is looking less and less fesable by the minute.

japan didn't make sf iv happen. the rest of the world made sf iv happen. capcom just decideded (correctly) that there is more money to be made outside their country than inside. you can kind of see that through the titles they release these days. this is my opinion.

[Guessing]

Japanese & Baseball.

They learned the American past-time and are competitive at it.

American Soccer is becoming competitive.

The only good thing that will really benefit everyone playing competitive fighting games should a Japanese arcade release come to light, is that all the Nihon dick-riders will quit playing and the rest of us can get on with improving the competitive scene.

It's one thing to respect and admire the innovation and dedication that Japan has had to its arcade scene over the years, it's another thing entirely to be a slave to something 90% of those people doing the worshipping will never, EVER see.

Outside of japan who the fuck cares about japanese baseball. So what you want is to have something like japanese baseball where ssf4 only matters to the US. If that's what you want than what can I say. To me if the japanese arent playing ssf4 than it's like watching triple A baseball it's good but it's just not the mlb.

[Novastorm]

The best players in the nba and nfl are in the US, if some Asian/European team wins there little tournament in basketball and football wtf really cares. Same with sf the best players are in japan so who the fuck cares if they're not playing.

So you're saying that european/asian people win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP for football/basketball they shouldn't care because it's meaningless because they wouldn't be able to beat the best USA team? But if they didn't have football/basketball they could care right?.....now let's get that same perspective for SSF4....

if Japan has no SSF4 you can be happy that you're the best in the USA

if Japan does get SSF4 you will still be best in the USA but it means nothing because someone in Japan will be better


Wow i fail to see why you people are still hoping for J. Wong to win from Daigo when that could clearly never be....

raises the question btw, would you still be so depressed at no arcade release = no japanese top players if J.Wong had beaten Daigo this year?

[Dasvanu]

The Japanese could care less about SF being in arcades (for the most part). Arcadia magazine lists T6 as the most played, and SF4 is ranked 6th...

http://www.arcadiamagazine.com/

The right hand column lists the top 10 highest grossing (or most played, idk which) cabinets in japan.
Some of the games are in full kanji, so just incase you can't read them:

1. Tekken 6 BR
2. Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs Gundam NEXT
3. Blazblue: Calamity Trigger
4. Melty Blood: Actress Again
5. Guilty Gear: XX Accent Core
6. Street Fighter 4
7. Sugoi! Arcana Heart 2
8. Virtua Fighter 5R
9. Daemonbride
10. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike


So, I think it's pretty safe to say that arcades will still be alive and well, even with the omission of SSFIV.

[Guessing]

So you're saying that european/asian people win a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP for football/basketball they shouldn't care because it's meaningless because they wouldn't be able to beat the best USA team? But if they didn't have football/basketball they could care right?.....now let's get that same perspective for SSF4....

if Japan has no SSF4 you can be happy that you're the best in the USA

if Japan does get SSF4 you will still be best in the USA but it means nothing because someone in Japan will be better


Wow i fail to see why you people are still hoping for J. Wong to win from Daigo when that could clearly never be....

raises the question btw, would you still be so depressed at no arcade release = no japanese top players if J.Wong had beaten Daigo this year?

If you only care about being the best of the US and/or some other country than it's wouldnt matter if someone from another country is better than you. But I thought people of the US FG community wants to be the best in the world and that's why they always want to beat the japanese cause that's where all the best players are. The question is if you're happy with being best because the japanese dont play and not because you actually beat them. J.Wong beating Daigo at evo would make no difference in this matter cause I think wong can beat daigo, since the lvl of play between the 2 isnt really that big imo.

[Dez26]

The idea of scrubby american 2009-registered SRK users boycotting SSFIV because their man-crush Daigo Umehara won't be able to play it at Big Box arcade in Japan gives me a hearty chuckle!

Quoted for truth.
Arcades are dead as far as I'm concerned, so in no way or shape does this affects my existence.

[experiMILK]

If you only care about being the best of the US and/or some other country than it's wouldnt matter if someone from another country is better than you. But I thought people of the US FG community wants to be the best in the world and that's why they always want to beat the japanese cause that's where all the best players are. The question is if you're happy with being best because the japanese dont play and not because you actually beat them. J.Wong beating Daigo at evo would make no difference in this matter cause I think wong can beat daigo, since the lvl of play between the 2 isnt really that big imo.

if i am the best riichi mahjong player in japan, i'm probably the best riichi mahjong player in the world, as nobody else really plays.

if japan doesn't pick up ssf4:
if you're the best in the us, then you're the best in the world because nobody else really plays (europe does, but i don't hear much about their scene :shrug:)

why is this so horrifying to so many people? that they don't have japanese rivals? marvel players have been pretty ok with it for years now. this kind of shit has given me new found respect for the marvel scene.

[Gutcruncher]

The Japanese could care less about SF being in arcades (for the most part). Arcadia magazine lists T6 as the most played, and SF4 is ranked 6th...

http://www.arcadiamagazine.com/

The right hand column lists the top 10 highest grossing (or most played, idk which) cabinets in japan.
Some of the games are in full kanji, so just incase you can't read them:

1. Tekken 6 BR
2. Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs Gundam NEXT
3. Blazblue: Calamity Trigger
4. Melty Blood: Actress Again
5. Guilty Gear: XX Accent Core
6. Street Fighter 4
7. Sugoi! Arcana Heart 2
8. Virtua Fighter 5R
9. Daemonbride
10. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike


So, I think it's pretty safe to say that arcades will still be alive and well, even with the omission of SSFIV.

Wow, I always thought that Virtua Fighter was always more popular than Tekken in Japan. 3rd strike still being in the top ten ten years later is pretty awesome too.

[Guessing]

if i am the best riichi mahjong player in japan, i'm probably the best riichi mahjong player in the world, as nobody else really plays.

if japan doesn't pick up ssf4:
if you're the best in the us, then you're the best in the world because nobody else really plays (europe does, but i don't hear much about their scene :shrug:)

why is this so horrifying to so many people? that they don't have japanese rivals? marvel players have been pretty ok with it for years now. this kind of shit has given me new found respect for the marvel scene.

ya if you're the best at something that nobody plays, you'll be the best but who the fuck is going to care. You want the japanese rivals cause they're pretty much the best at all the sf games they play, dont you want to at least beat them once at a sf they actually play. And the only games they care to play are in the arcades. While we're at it why are so many ppl against having it on arcades? No one is asking that you must support it but why all the bashing? Is it cause they dont have a scene for arcades so they just dont want anyone else to have one as well?

[Novastorm]

No one is asking that you must support it but why all the bashing? Is it cause they dont have a scene for arcades so they just dont want anyone else to have one as well?

Actually there's a petition asking for arcade release, so there's people aksing for support.

And it's not cause "we don't have arcade so you can't have either" but more about the fact that some people are declaring "the end of the SF community" because the japanese might not be playing it, and i for one think those peope should take a valium or something and relax....it's not the end of the world

[Dasvanu]

Wow, I always thought that Virtua Fighter was always more popular than Tekken in Japan. 3rd strike still being in the top ten ten years later is pretty awesome too.

What's even more interesting is the fact that 3S is still played alomst half as much a sf4 in arcades. But I'm pretty sure that 3rd just recently returned to the top 10 when some fans were disappointed with sf4.

[Guessing]

Actually there's a petition asking for arcade release, so there's people aksing for support.

And it's not cause "we don't have arcade so you can't have either" but more about the fact that some people are declaring "the end of the SF community" because the japanese might not be playing it, and i for one think those peope should take a valium or something and relax....it's not the end of the world

I'm not one that's saying that this would "end" the sf community but I do think it would hurt it, if there are not japanese comp. I just want to see high quality play and I feel the best way to get it is have the japanese involved and w/o arcades I just dont see it happening. Ya I saw the petition thread and I see a bunch of ppl going in there bashing about them asking for a arcades. That to me is like someone going to a charity event that's helping the hungry and scream why the fuck should I care it's not like I'm hungry. Ya it dont have anything to do with you but dont be a bitch about it. I'm not speaking to you specificity so dont take it the wrong way.

[ramennoodle]

...........seriously?

What's the point in Basketball? USA is the only place where it's big.
What's the point in American Football? USA is the only place where it's big.
Trust me, you can compete with eachother just fine...hell you even had a north VS south once!

north vs south was mad hype, Lee vs Sherman>Diago vs. Justin

[minii]

Anybody who doesn't see the damage this does to our community is a fool. It's cool to be good in the U.S., but being good in Japan means something completely different. If we don't have Japan to compete with then what is the point?

This is completely untrue. How often do japanese people go to American tournaments... once a year? Generally just Daigo for Evo. How often do Americans go to Japan for tournaments, couple of times maybe? and only a handful of people. It would have no negative effect at all... The only difference is you wouldn't watch japanese players on YouTube. People are blowing this out of proportion.

[EmblemLord]

Honestly, Arcades are dying on a global scale and I'm sure japanese arcades aren't as popular as they used to be years ago.

If the Japanese truly wanna play SSFIV and I'm sure they will then they will just need to get with the times and jump on console.

These guys aren't morons. I'm sure they realize console is the future and when the time comes they will probably get behind it. And if they don't they will be left behind.

Can't lie though. This shit does suck.

[Mycah Leonhart]

The Japanese could care less about SF being in arcades (for the most part). Arcadia magazine lists T6 as the most played, and SF4 is ranked 6th...

http://www.arcadiamagazine.com/

The right hand column lists the top 10 highest grossing (or most played, idk which) cabinets in japan.
Some of the games are in full kanji, so just incase you can't read them:

1. Tekken 6 BR
2. Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs Gundam NEXT
3. Blazblue: Calamity Trigger
4. Melty Blood: Actress Again
5. Guilty Gear: XX Accent Core
6. Street Fighter 4
7. Sugoi! Arcana Heart 2
8. Virtua Fighter 5R
9. Daemonbride
10. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike


So, I think it's pretty safe to say that arcades will still be alive and well, even with the omission of SSFIV.

Damn not a single SNK game :sad:

[Sabin]

lol what i wanna know is how sf4 being #6 on that list counts as japan "not caring about the game." are you even in japan dasvanu or are you going off arcadia lists to support your argument? if so lol

[Exceed^]

I'm confused to why Capcom wouldn't make an arcade release for SSF4... Although I'm sure the countries that still have a big arcade scene would find a way around it (console cabinets?), I'd say it's a big mistake on Capcom's part.

[experiMILK]

ya if you're the best at something that nobody plays, you'll be the best but who the fuck is going to care. You want the japanese rivals cause they're pretty much the best at all the sf games they play, dont you want to at least beat them once at a sf they actually play. And the only games they care to play are in the arcades. While we're at it why are so many ppl against having it on arcades? No one is asking that you must support it but why all the bashing? Is it cause they dont have a scene for arcades so they just dont want anyone else to have one as well?

the people in japan will care, which is all i should be concerned about anyway.

nobody plays is pretty far away from japan doesn't play.

i don't think i've really bashed an arcade release, i just see why they're not making one. there are people that are overreacting and twisting opinions on both sides of the issue.

[mrshmearo]

I believe that a majority of the casuals who bought and enjoyed SFIV will go ahead and buy SSFIV. The japanese will find a way to play SSFIV if they wanted to no matter if it has an arcade release or not. It's not like all the japanese fans of SFIV will drop the game instantly just because it doesn't have an arcade release. I just don't see that happening.

[add_den]

Didn't someone say japanese players didn't care ? Hmm, don't think so :

http://nsb.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/100/

[BOBBA LUI]

As of right now, Capcom is catering to where most of the money is coming from. I applaud them prioritizing on console sales. Arcade units inhibit profits in Asian countries since players drop their money on arcades rather than Capcom. I can see an eventual release to the arcades though, but there will be no arcade douches bragging about playing the game long before console players anymore. :lol:

[Novastorm]

Didn't someone say japanese players didn't care ? Hmm, don't think so :

http://nsb.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/100/

Unless you translate it, there's no evidence here =P

[rebound]

Oh good Lord...

I think people are extrapolating way too far into this. Look, we barely know anything about the game. BARELY. ANYTHING. We just know that they've added T.Hawk, Dee Jay, and a new character, and that there's a graphical change.

Yes, I know Ono has said that there won't be an arcade release, but that may not necessarily be the case 3 months from now. The expected release day is Spring of Next YEAR. That's a good 6-8 months from now, and in a game's development, that's practically an eternity. We don't know how different the game will be from SF4. We won't know anything about changes to the engine, changes to characters, frame data changes, anything like that. Too many assumptions on what might happen, making people get all "ZOMG STREET FIGHTER IS DEEEEEEAD." And whatever the opposite of that is.

[Aggroboy]

SFIV arcade has not done well in Japan at all despite what you see in youtube, this is in contrast to strong worldwide console success.

To upgrade the arcade versions forces either Capcom or the arcade operators to take a significant loss, which neither is willing to do especially in Japan's overall declining gaming scene. So they made the right choice, kinda breaks my heart tho.

[Sabin]

SFIV arcade has not done well in Japan at all despite what you see in youtube, this is in contrast to strong worldwide console success.



i have to ask this again
are you in japan witnessing the scene first hand
or are you just someone who hasnt been to japan and reads arcadia lists and assume that sf4 doesnt do well (even though it has consistently been in the top 10 lists??)

real talk stop spinning shit to make it sound like "sf4 is doing bad in japan" when it clearly isnt

[Hanzo_Hasashi]

OMG Daigo will have to buy a 360/ps3 now.... well at least Mago has his HRAP he won at godsgarden... =)

And seriously, why is capcom doing this? Isnt the scene in Japan relatively well and going for them to shit in their faces?

[holyrobot]

Something that everyone might be forgetting... the arcade owners.

The main concerns in this therad are:
Japanese players having access to SSF4
American Players having Japanese competition
Capcom making a profit

Nobody's thinking about the arcade owners making a profit, it's just assumed that they will.

What if Capcom did some market research and found that none of the Japanese arcades wanted to buy an update? If the game isn't profitable for the arcades for them to justify buying an update, even if Capcom does release a new PCB board there might not be enough incentive for the arcades to buy it. Then Capcom's made a huge, costly mistake and the Japanese still don't have SSF4, which most certainly would guarentee Capcom not making another arcade release of a Street Fighter in the future based upon the loss.

In the end, Capcom has always been very good about pleasing fans, much more than other game companies. If there is enough demand, it'll happen in Japan.

[Kyokuji]

Lol at people acting like being #6 on the list is bad. Do you have any idea how many people are playing SF4 right now? Hell, I remember people saying that like almost half of the people at SBO left after the SF4 finals.

No arcade release will not just hurt the Japanese scene. What's going to happen to big arcade scenes in places like California and New York if there's no release? Are top players going to have to keep visiting each other to get some proper practice in? God knows online play isn't reliable with SF4's lousy netcode.

Also, if the Japanese decide to skip on it and just keep playing Vanilla SF4 then you have two regions playing completely different games. No more Japanese coming to EVO, which kinda hurts the hype -- especially when they've been there since like 2000 now. People forget that a lot of top Japanese players don't even own a home console.


why is this so horrifying to so many people? that they don't have japanese rivals? marvel players have been pretty ok with it for years now. this kind of shit has given me new found respect for the marvel scene.

That's a totally different thing because MvC2 did have an arcade release in Japan; they just didn't care for the game. Kind of like how Vampire Savior never really took off over here when it was huge in Japan.

[HyperDuel]

OMG Daigo will have to buy a 360/ps3 now.... well at least Mago has his HRAP he won at godsgarden... =)

Just for training mode?

Shit I play fighters and even I don't own a console.

[Aggroboy]

i have to ask this again
are you in japan witnessing the scene first hand
or are you just someone who hasnt been to japan and reads arcadia lists and assume that sf4 doesnt do well (even though it has consistently been in the top 10 lists??)

real talk stop spinning shit to make it sound like "sf4 is doing bad in japan" when it clearly isnt
Actually I just read them in the business papers, basically mainstays like sega, namco and capcom not doing well in the arcade business. There was another different article about the financial implications of arcade operators upgrading when a new version comes out, who will bear the cost and such. As usual, the hardcore scenes will always do well in spite of the overall.

Don't get mad at me I'm usually just a lurker :china:

[特別な外人]

Echoing what Sabin and others have said, those who have never seen the effect of the Arcades on SF4 in Japan first hand really have no idea what they're talking about.

I'm fairly convinced that Ono is bullshitting, since saying "fuck you" to your most hardcore players would be the dumbest move ever.

Plus, Shibuya Sports Land's owner told me before I left that he wouldn't be surprised to see one in arcades before the end of the year, so I'm not worried.

[HyperDuel]

I wouldn't bullshit too much if I was him. It can always backfire if you know what I mean.

[DevilJin 01]

Damn not a single SNK game :sad:

KOF2002 UM would be the only thing close to being on that list any ways. At least they are actually playing that game. All competitive regions across the world dropped KOFXII like yesterday's trash.

[SoulSeekr786]

KOF2002 UM would be the only thing close to being on that list any ways. At least they are actually playing that game. All competitive regions across the world dropped KOFXII like yesterday's trash.

I don't understand why NOBODY showed KOF12 love?!

[Eileithyia]

if no arcade, Americans can claim they are best at SSF4 since most Japanese pros will not playing it.

[Dasvanu]

i have to ask this again
are you in japan witnessing the scene first hand
or are you just someone who hasnt been to japan and reads arcadia lists and assume that sf4 doesnt do well (even though it has consistently been in the top 10 lists??)

real talk stop spinning shit to make it sound like "sf4 is doing bad in japan" when it clearly isnt

Okay, I'll play your game, lol.




Using your logic, I can say that USA likes soccer, and it'd be complete factual. I could say that "Just because 5 other sports played in the US are doing much better at generating revenue than soccer, doesn't mean that soccer doesn't do well. Stop spinning stuff to make it seem like soccer isn't doing well in the USA, when clearly it is."



I said that if SF doesn't come to Japanese arcades, the arcade scene wouldn't be affected. I never said it wasn't doing well, I said "Look at this list, and look how much other support the arcades will have. Japanese arcades won't automatically die just because they don't have the latest SF game." I understand you like SF and are good at it but there's a fine line between being a fan and being blinded by Fanboy-esque thinking, because you're doing exactly what you told us not to.

[RageMufc]

Okay, I'll play your game, lol.




Using your logic, I can say that USA likes soccer, and it'd be complete factual. I could say that "Just because 5 other sports played in the US are doing much better at generating revenue than soccer, doesn't mean that soccer doesn't do well. Stop spinning stuff to make it seem like soccer isn't doing well in the USA, when clearly it is."


Back to my game: I said that if SF doesn't come to Japanese arcades, the arcade scene wouldn't be affected. I never said it wasn't doing well, I said "Look at this list, and look how much other support the arcades will have. Japanese arcades won't automatically die just because they don't have the latest SF game." I understand you like SF and are good at it but there's a fine line between being a fan and being blinded by Fanboy-esque thinking, because you're doing exactly what you told us not to.

Your comparison is so flawed it's laughable. Even though I agree that arcades will continue on, the competitive Street Fighter scene is going to take a massive hit. But comparing Street Fighter in Japan to soccer in the US isn't even close.

[Sabin]

No, you said


The Japanese could care less about SF being in arcades (for the most part). Arcadia magazine lists T6 as the most played, and SF4 is ranked 6th...


So, I think it's pretty safe to say that arcades will still be alive and well, even with the omission of SSFIV.

how can you even say that when you dont know how shit goes down here

then you try to cite it in your argument saying "the japanese dont give a fuck about sf4" and then claim that the japanese arcade scene wouldnt be affected by capcom pulling out.

um actually it would be. plz pick up a copy of arcadia magazine and see how many arcade advertisements/sponsors there are in the magazine compared to actual content. its pretty low.

pulling out new sf4 would hurt the arcade scene here dramatically since one more major player is cashing their chips in.
if you cant see that, then youre the exact fanboy that you claim i am lol, even though im here witnessing the arcade scene first hand while youre speculating on a forum

[Dasvanu]

Your comparison is so flawed it's laughable. Even though I agree that arcades will continue on, the competitive Street Fighter scene is going to take a massive hit. But comparing Street Fighter in Japan to soccer in the US isn't even close.


Can nobody on SRK read? I didn't compare them by popularity, I compared them by the revenue they generate, which is actually on point.

Sit down and work on your reading comprehension, please, then tell me what's laughable.


EDIT: Funny how you, Sabin, quoted me, but conveniently forgot to bold the "(for the most part)" that I had.

[HyperDuel]

Can nobody on SRK read? I didn't compare them by popularity, I compared them by the revenue they generate, which is actually on point.

Sit down and work on your reading comprehension, please, then tell me what's laughable.

It's SRK, you know scrubs don't read.

[Sabin]

Can nobody on SRK read? I didn't compare them by popularity, I compared them by the revenue they generate, which is actually on point.

Sit down and work on your reading comprehension, please, then tell me what's laughable.


EDIT: Funny how you, Sabin, quoted me without bolding the (for the most part) that I had.

Actually, you need to step up your reading comprehension. from the ssf4 arcade petition thread:


Let me say that the Top 10 is very deceiving, especially if you don't know the whole story.

The Top 10 in Arcadia is based on revenue income from participating arcades. The problem is that SF4 is retardedly expensive for arcade operators... they have to buy FOUR boards just to get the game to work. For small time shops that is not possible due to space and cost.

Games like Blazblue, Melty Blood and Gundam only require two and are much cheaper due to the hardware. Well, aside from Blazblue... MB and Gundam don't run on the newer hardware so they're cheaper to purchase.

So it's a matter of the arcades not having it due to cost, therefore reporting lower incoming for the Top 10.

I oughta include that in my top 10 whenever I write them up lol.

seriously, YJDK and please stop trying to pretend like you know whats up when you make claims like "japan doesnt give a shit"

[Bryanv2]

Yea, I can see some dropping out.

I mean, some pro´s in japan, got 90% of there training on arcades. We already had some console only chars, for if they went to Evo, which I guess was already a slight disadvantage. Now with SSF4, there gonna be 8-10 more console only chars. And im sure the japanese people would love to have a balance update of sf4, since that's what its about to.

Which means they prob cant come to USA for tournaments as much anymore, seeing as we'll probably play SSF4, since its sf4 + more chars + more balance (Hopefully) so yea, it does really suck.

Could also work vise versa though. If we go to Japanese tournaments on arcades, and they play with the old less balanced SF4, they gotta jump in the whole game again. So yea idk.

[Dasvanu]

Actually, you need to step up your reading comprehension. from the ssf4 arcade petition thread:



seriously, YJDK and please stop trying to pretend like you know whats up when you make claims like "japan doesnt give a shit"

I already read that. And I said for the most part. For the most part. For. the. most. part.

Maybe 'For the most part' went too far. Maybe Capcom should give the SF license over to the SRK randoms, because obviously, the bunch of people working for capcom and live in japan have no idea that their arcades are gonna die with the ommision of the latest installment of SF.

Maybe you should tell them, since you're actually in Japan.


EDIT: And once again, the list is still based on revenue. SF4 is still 6th in terms of revenue. Anything can make more money when it's more readily available to the people. Which was my entire arguement. I'm pretty sure Mickey D's would make more money if they had more locations, placing them higher on 'Revenue of fast food restaraunts' list (if it isn't already 1st). Revenue is revenue, regardless of popularity.

[HyperDuel]

Also for stuff like BlazeBlue you can use only one board if you only have one cab to use.

If I was an arcade op I would get BlazeBlue more than SFIV. Cheaper and it's also a good game.

[Sabin]

I already read that. And I said for the most part. For the most part. For. the. most. part.

Maybe 'For the most part' went too far. Maybe Capcom should give the SF license over to the SRK randoms, because obviously, the bunch of people working for capcom and live in japan have no idea that their arcades are gonna die with the ommision of the latest installment of SF.

Maybe you should tell them, since you're actually in Japan.

lol im talking to a brick wall here.
for the most part? for the most part? that list that cited why the arcadia lists arent totally accurate, yet you still claim that japan doesnt give a flying fuck about sf for the most part?

also, i respect the sarcasm in the last part of your post cause really you dont have much of a argument to go on since youre not seeing shit go down first hand. really funny.

also if you didnt know, gaming companies are ran by 'suits' that are nothing more than bean counters and dont give a fuck about the community or the subleties of it all, only "how can we sell more discs of this game"

reno is in osaka and he is clearly against it because he, like others that live here is well aware of whats gonna happen if capcom pulls out like this because again...he's actually here.



EDIT: And once again, the list is still based on revenue. SF4 is still 6th in terms of revenue. Which was my entire arguement.

i dunno what to say except read reno's post again CLOSELY. CLOSELY. espeically the first line of it. im done man youll never get it.

[Dasvanu]

lol im talking to a brick wall here.
for the most part? for the most part? that list that cited why the arcadia lists arent totally accurate, yet you still claim that japan doesnt give a flying fuck about sf for the most part?

also, i respect the sarcasm in the last part of your post cause really you dont have much of a argument to go on since youre not seeing shit go down first hand. really funny.

also if you didnt know, gaming companies are ran by 'suits' that are nothing more than bean counters and dont give a fuck about the community or the subleties of it all, only "how can we sell more discs of this game"

reno works for capcom osaka and he is clearly against it because he, like others that live here is well aware of whats gonna happen if capcom pulls out like this because again...he's actually here.

The bold part is actually what I've been trying to explain to you this entire time. Also read the edit of my previous post.

[eiSH]

Found the exact thread I was concerned about after finding that SSF4 wasn't going to have an arcade release.

First of all, let me point out that Americans (for the most part ^:lol:) are known to complain a lot =P So I'd like to think our voice had somewhat an influence on Capcom to suspect that SSF4 might sell well in the states =) If this is the case, then Japan should take care of themselves and make their own voices heard. :wtf: at petitioning Capcom for Japan's sake -_-;

Japan's arcades aren't just about SF4 (obviously) but it will still hurt for them to not get SSF4 in their arcades. So I'm thinking they will either play at console gatherings (like God's Garden and without Battle Cards like in the 3rd Strike days with Ranbats :tup:) or just forget SSF4 was ever released period (like MvC2; which is believable seeing they don't acknowledge console characters).

As for Capcom saying "Fuck You" to the Japanese player base; maybe it was the Japanese player base not showing love to Capcom first? There could be and endless amount of stuffs unknown to us so before anyone passes judgement on Capcom, maybe they should get a chance to explain why there will be no arcade release. My guess is they don't have the budget to produce both a console version and an arcade port. Which is why they're opting for the bigger audience.

[RageMufc]

Can nobody on SRK read? I didn't compare them by popularity, I compared them by the revenue they generate, which is actually on point.

Sit down and work on your reading comprehension, please, then tell me what's laughable.

On point? It's entirely your opinion based on no facts whatsoever. Just because their both #6 in no way means they are equal, be it popularity, revenue or any other measurement of success. You have no first-hand experience, no numbers (aside from #6 in some magazine), or pertinent information to back your claims. Don't start pretending you're on top of shit when you can't even understand your own argument.

Let me put it in a context you might be able to grasp: I could say I'm the sixth best SF player in world, but it means nothing when the 5 ahead of me are Justin, Marn, Ed Ma, Sanford, and Combofiend. That's a huge gap. As has been explained previously, this isn't the case for SF4.

[Monte]

Sabin, stop wasting your precious Japan time by talking to idiots on SRK. Go scrape some japs and make uncle sam proud.

[Naughty Mart]

I'm wondering if it's only a "coup de marketing"

We often see this kind of strategy being used by marketing department in the video game industry.
They first announce a game as a Ps3 exclusive, while in fact, everyone on the dev team already knows they are coming out for Xbox, PS3 and PC. But they just announce the other version later on.

So I'm wondering if something similar is going on here.
Capcom saying there won't be an arcade release.
Big ruckus exploding.
Later, Capcom says "Oh we've listen to the voices of our fans and decided to make an arcade release".
Everyone is happy
The Capcom people appear as heroes
And all along, the arcade release was planned since day 1.

Just throwing out an hypothesis here, not saying that's what's actually happening hehe ;)
Only time will tell if there will be an arcade release.

[grimmattack66]

Has there been much talk about SSF4 in arcades at all over there Sabin? It would be interesting to hear their views.


Knowing how Capcom works we should all realize that it will come out for arcades because that is Japan's best medium for releasing new ARCADE style games.

[Henaki]

edit ehh

[entrerix]

noob questions here - please don't hate me:

could ono have meant that there would be no US SSF4 release? could a japan release still be planned?

could ono have meant that there would be no arcade release because they were just going to update the current machines with the new data? sort of a patching type deal instead of a whole new cabinet? cut costs type thing?

could the new game still be played in japanese arcades with some sort of adapted ps3-in-a-cabinet type machine?

im just wondering if maybe there is something im missing, because it seems pretty weird to cut japan out of the game if most pro players over there only play in arcades.

edit: also SABIN - have you heard anything about what most of the local pros over there think about all this?

[Haypultone]

You don't understand, there's no way to actually set that up feasibly on a pay-to-play basis.. :|

Actually, you dont understand. It can be done and even link to the BP system. If there is money to be made. People will do it. And in fact the entire system is cheaper then Capcom try to release Arcade version. That could be one of the reason Capcom is not release Arcade version.

Console conversions to arcade already exist.

If we can put Man to the moon. You telling me we can't convert xbox360/PS3 console to arcade? with pay-to-play WTF?

[Henaki]

Actually, you dont understand. It can be done and even link to the BP system. If there is money to be made. People will do it. And in fact the entire system is cheaper then Capcom try to release Arcade version. That could be one of the reason Capcom is not release Arcade version.

Console conversions to arcade already exist.

If we can put Man to the moon. You telling me we can't convert xbox360/PS3 console to arcade? with pay-to-play WTF?

yes because arcades really want to get sued by capcom

[RageMufc]

The process of getting everything sorted out so they can set up consoles in arcades is so convoluted and problematic that it just isn't worth it at this point. I agree that it is something to look at for the future, but I think an easier option would simply be to swap the HDD on the existing cabs which is cheaper on everyone. Arcade owners don't have to get new cabs and ones without would possibly be looking to add some. It also maintains the interest level for the high end players for hopefully another couple of years. In the meanwhile I'm sure the transition will be taking place.

[deteknician]

could ono have meant that there would be no US SSF4 release? could a japan release still be planned?

I heard that even SF4 arcades weren't released for North America. The ones here were imported or people play on some sort of xbox/ps3 setup.
If this is true then unfortunately SSF4 arcades are definitely a no in US.

I also agree with Naughty Mart, I can't imagine Capcom not releasing SSF4 cabinets in Japan. By making this obviously controversial statement they generate even more buzz about the game. At least I'm hoping that's their strategy.

[onaplain]

As someone stated earlier, Japanese players learn from the social arcade scene. Implementing online lobbies for SSF4 might help Americans to experience on a smaller scale the advantages of the that scene by allowing us to learn while spectating.
Also, if Japanese only play/practice with one another; why is any surprise that they know a few tricks that few Americans have seen before the next big tournament. If Capcom forces the Japanese to get online with us, we might see some big growth across the board.

[ILL_BILL]

Currently consoles CAN be used inside arcade cabinets, however, SSF4 will not be the same.

For example, my local arcade has a TVC machine. The inside of which is a nintendo wii.

"OMG THAT MEENZ JAPN CAN HAS SSF4"

No. It doesn't. The wii hardware is running the ARCADE BOARD for TVC. Should the arcade board not exist (ie. SSF4) then console hardware CANT use it because it simply IS NOT THERE.

Its feasible that console hardware can run the arcade system, but you still need the arcade board to run the game on a pay to play basis. If capcom arent making these, then no, you cant chuck a console in an arcade cabinet and expect it to magically be a pay to play system. Its kind of like driving a car without wheels. Everything WORKS, but you still dont get your desired result if the key component doesnt exist.

My 2c.

[Haypultone]

yes because arcades really want to get sued by capcom

What make you think Arcades will get sued by Capcom?

[BOBBA LUI]

I'm wondering if it's only a "coup de marketing"

We often see this kind of strategy being used by marketing department in the video game industry.
They first announce a game as a Ps3 exclusive, while in fact, everyone on the dev team already knows they are coming out for Xbox, PS3 and PC. But they just announce the other version later on.

So I'm wondering if something similar is going on here.
Capcom saying there won't be an arcade release.
Big ruckus exploding.
Later, Capcom says "Oh we've listen to the voices of our fans and decided to make an arcade release".
Everyone is happy
The Capcom people appear as heroes
And all along, the arcade release was planned since day 1.

Just throwing out an hypothesis here, not saying that's what's actually happening hehe ;)
Only time will tell if there will be an arcade release.

Well done, you should have a 1-900 psychic number because that is exactly whats gonna happen :clapdos:

[lolitsme]

they cant meet up online and play serious all they top players have to do is exchange GTs or PSN ids and then play each other

[Arde]

Seriously, too many idiot posters/lurkers/newbies who either don't know how to read, think, or do both at the same time.

If you're still wondering how the SSF4 scene will be like if there's no arcade release, read these excellent posts by Reno:



http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7577916&postcount=205
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7578049&postcount=219
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7578188&postcount=236
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7579912&postcount=373
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7580435&postcount=423
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7580610&postcount=452

Reno's been living in JP for god knows how long and Sabin's been following the scene for god knows how long as well and he's actually in JP levelling up as we speak now.

So to dismiss what these guys who actually live/stay in Japan say as being whining/crying/complaining, you guys are seriously total fucking idiots.

In any case though, I think Ono's lying through his ass since I'm sure an arcade release will come out in JP.

[Taito]

What bothers me most right now is the void of information. Nobody KNOWS about the arcade situation or what the top players plan to do about it. Even from Japan SRKers, it's just 'we'll probably see an arcade version' and 'the top players probably won't care about the console version.' If we get official re-confirmation from the horse's mouth about SSF4's plans, we can move on from this specuative phase, and prepare for the best/worst.

[shinobaka]

Because SSFIV is not been released in the arcades in Japan suddenly all the arcade scene is going to die over there WTF, Street Fighter 4 is not the only popular game over there period.

for real did you even read my opening.... I said that.... i dont knwo but your post annoys me the most... I knew that already you idot... sorry you pissed me off

anyway I noticed that the thread did get some misconception of the point of the thread... but yea previous post.... lets just all wait... to see some offical offical news or something I dunno..... this was thread was really just for people who were worried about what this news would have done to the SFIV community and hardcore play in Japan.... NOT ARCADES are dead OVERALL.... seriously GAMBIT you're an idiot... just read first next time....

but yea... I get it.... only few people got the point of this thread... lets just wait for more news....but yea.. Sabin and Reno.... i get your point of the scene there... I was this summer during the week before SBO so yea I saw GodsGArden shiowza and just Big box... its well an alive there... not number 1 but well and alive.

in the end I was just really our japanese counterparts were going to lose their chance to push the game to its fullest with an arcade enviroment.... thats all... NOT trying to boycott or not trying to do any stupid shit liek that... I was just curious and worried for our buds over there in Japan.... simple as that

[MatrixMario]

I guess it's kinda like saying how the japanese play the arcade version of SF4 rather than the console version. They still play it even if they are missing the console characters, right?

[shinobaka]

I guess it's kinda like saying how the japanese play the arcade version of SF4 rather than the console version. They still play it even if they are missing the console characters, right?

oh yea definitely, really the arcade experience for them is truly something.... its kind of silly but its an example.... GodsGarden had to console version and what they did for fun was let some of the top fighters play against console characters to see how it would go and yea... yea they had AmeriKen, one of the best dagat players there, fight a sakura player (online I think) and he lost because of the the fact that he never even plaued tghe console verson because all his SFIV experience for the past year were at the arcades like Big Box. And that Sakura player knew what they were doing too.... but yea it really seperates the experience players get when they have console exclusive stuff like that,

Daigo also refused to play against console characters for money matches at EVO. I'm not saying he's so cool that he can, but I'm just showing that things like push players away no matter how good they are because of lack of exposure.

Sorry that its not easy to tell people that well.... all the Japanse can by a console and play SSFIV.... like I said... its NOT an issue of oh Japanese have to buy consoles now because of SSFIV i killing the entire arcade scene.

Its an isse if the Japanese SFIV community would be willing to to shift all their experiences and skills into a console manner, and my prediction is... most likey not....because the arcade way to train and get better is truly truly different from consoles... I am a console player and I can care less where I get my skills, but I've seen the magic there and I really scene how they got their skills and it was definitely from the competitve environment of an arcade to push the game so hard and far

hate to bring this up all the time but yea.... AmeriKen was an American guy who had nothing to do in Japan and began playing SFIV at the arcades when it FIRST came out and he happened to start learning the game at the very same time... that MAgo, Bonchan, Daigo, TOkido and etc did and because he was stuck with those guys and that atmosphere he became a beast and didnt even know it. The guy doesnt even have the console versions at his place in Japan....

but like I said if you can care less of Japanese playersor just the fact that its nice to have some international influence with out SFIV skills then forget this whole thread its just doesnt really matter... just a game.

and yes I am excited about SSFIV.

and Gambit apologized... so thanks for that bud