Start taking fish oil, and get rid of vegetable oil in your diet

[CD_Vision]

I would like to suggest to everyone that they supplement their diet with Fish oil as soon as possible, and being phasing out as much vegetable oil in your diet as you can. It's starting to look like the imbalance of Omega-6 and 3 is a major source of our health problems.

Vegetable and seed oils are rich in Omega-6. Without enough Omega-3 in your diet, it causes a nasty imbalance, and there is research going into it now that it could be the root of many american health problems including Arthritis, Diabetes, and many kinds of depression. Lots of research is still looking at processed sugars and saturated fats, but it may be something much more basic.

It's ok if you're skeptical, but even if this is completely wrong there's still enough evidence to show benefits in fish oil to say it's good for you. It certainly can't hurt.

If you have allergies, look into Algae based supplements, as seed based oils may also be a problem.

Some Wiki articles for your consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_oil

[Endaeias]

The only problem I really have with this is that there's so many foods and drinks that are pushing out Omega-3. Most people will object to swapping out vegetable oil for fish oil (if they're partially sane). But that's not to say that you couldn't simply take supplements if they're that worried about it. Processed sugars and saturated fats are commonly known to be the two major contributors to health issues.

As far as skeptics of fish oil being good for you, most European countries have already been throwing Omega-6 and Omega-3 in just about everything they can think of. It's in everything from cereal to normal cow milk (whereas, I've only seen it predominantly in Soy milk over here).

[Riot Guard]

I'm allergic to fish. Your recommendation could have meant the end of me.

[raeli]

I did start feeling like a million bucks after I started taking Fish Oil supplements. but then again, I did go on a hxc diet and start playing ddr again.

[Ghostal]

I'm allergic to fish. Your recommendation could have meant the end of me.

So take flax seed oil.
Same thing, really, it's just mostly for vegans who are lazy.

[CD_Vision]

So take flax seed oil.
Same thing, really, it's just mostly for vegans who are lazy.

No, not flax. That's why I put that line in my original post for people with allergies. Use Algae based supplements instead. Flax contains Omega-6 as well.

[Riot Guard]

I might try some of that algae stuff.

[Sasmasta]

So fish pills will help offset my depression? I'm gonna go take a fish pill then [my family actually has some in the cupboard. I usually scoff at it as I'm reaching for the Chef Boyardee]. Go fish pills!

[CD_Vision]

I might try some of that algae stuff.

They say with fish, they can't actually make Omega-3 and they get it by eating that Algae. It might very well be the best source, I just really like fish.

[raeli]

I do recommend them. I have some Welby Omega-3 Fish Oil Concentrates.. 1000mg per softgel, and I take two every morning with my coffee and cereal.

[CD_Vision]

\Most people will object to swapping out vegetable oil for fish oil (if they're partially sane).

In cooking, we can still use butter and olive oil, they seem to be ok. Corn and seed based oil is looking especially bad.

[orochizoolander]

I'm a bit of a health nut I can attest to fish oil supplements being among the best things for your body and after a while you can feel it. I suggest taking the supplement I do coromega orange flavor with a hint of chocolate it's a small packet of cream sauce not nasty tasting and it's simpler then a pill or liquid.

I'm reading from the box:

-Guaranteed DHA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid) and EPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eicosapentaenoic_acid)
-Pharmaceutical grade (whatever that means lol)
-Heart, brain, and eye health
-Joint and mobility

Seriously there is no reason not to take some kind of omega-3 supplement.

[Endaeias]

In cooking, we can still use butter and olive oil, they seem to be ok. Corn and seed based oil is looking especially bad.

Olive oil is the better of the two. There are some butters out there that have some omega-3 in them that's subpar for cooking (better for baking, of course). The biggest problem is that people are getting vegetable oil-based margarines. It's definitely a no-go. I stick with olive oil and sometimes sesame oil (I'm aware it's not that great for you, but it's used mainly for asian dishes).

[goodm0urning]

An adult with a relatively normal physiology can thrive just fine on a moderated diet. There is little evidence to suggest that a particularly large amount of anything, including stuff that's supposed to be good for you, will appreciably increase your life expectancy, or improve your resistance to certain ailments--at least, not without decreasing your resistance to other ailments in the process.

Fish oil, in particular, is mainly hyped on the strength of flawed studies, exaggerated links, incomplete evidence, and illogical assumptions. Yes, there are some benefits--mainly for people who have had heart attacks, who have high cholesterol, and who have high blood pressure. There isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that fish oil has preventative effects in the healthy population for any of those problems, or to confirm the countless other benefits it's claimed to have. (Sorry, folks. "I started feeling good around the same time I took fish oil" is not sufficient evidence.) And, as with everything, it has its drawbacks, such as increased risks of bleeding and diabetes.

Most dietary supplements are marketed on the basis of claims that are either very broad or misleading as to their function. The FDA regulates them as food rather than drugs, which gives them the same level of required healthiness as any other legally marketable food product--in other words, not much of one. There are no real requirements as to what supplements are actually supposed to do for you, other than not directly make you sick or kill you.

[Satomiblood]

An adult with a relatively normal physiology can thrive just fine on a moderated diet. There is little evidence to suggest that a particularly large amount of anything, including stuff that's supposed to be good for you, will appreciably increase your life expectancy, or improve your resistance to certain ailments--at least, not without decreasing your resistance to other ailments in the process.

Fish oil, in particular, is mainly hyped on the strength of flawed studies, exaggerated links, incomplete evidence, and illogical assumptions. Yes, there are some benefits--mainly for people who have had heart attacks, who have high cholesterol, and who have high blood pressure. There isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that fish oil has preventative effects in the healthy population for any of those problems, or to confirm the countless other benefits it's claimed to have. (Sorry, folks. "I started feeling good around the same time I took fish oil" is not sufficient evidence.) And, as with everything, it has its drawbacks, such as increased risks of bleeding and diabetes.

Most dietary supplements are marketed on the basis of claims that are either very broad or misleading as to their function. The FDA regulates them as food rather than drugs, which gives them the same level of required healthiness as any other legally marketable food product--in other words, not much of one. There are no real requirements as to what supplements are actually supposed to do for you, other than not directly make you sick or kill you.

Goody's got it.

[Azrael]

I'm allergic to fish. Your recommendation could have meant the end of me.
Holy shit, you too? I've met like all of 3 people who have the fish allergy. It doesn't seem that common.

[odin]

you are pretty weak if an anchovie could mean your demise


no disrespect, i dont mean no harm

[Warpticon]

Holy shit, you too? I've met like all of 3 people who have the fish allergy. It doesn't seem that common.

I went to a sushi party a couple of weeks ago. The hostess, a Japanese woman, is allergic to fish.

[Satomiblood]

I feel bad for people with food allergies.

[Sasmasta]

no disrespect, i dont mean no harm

Lies.

Also, we don't have any fish pills around. :/

[Pasteycracker]

So take flax seed oil.
Same thing, really, it's just mostly for vegans who are lazy.

Been vegan for almost 4 years and I've never touched flax seed oil. Does that mean I'm lazier than lazy? haha.

As for needing fish oil for your omega-3, there's plenty of "plant-based" foods that are fortified with omega 3/6. Examples... Silk Soymilk is fortified with "Naturally occuring omega-3's" (http://www.silksoymilk.com/products/simply-silk/vanilla) and Smart Balance peanut butter is fortified as well (http://www.smartbalance.com/PeanutButterFamily.aspx). I'm sure there's lots more I'm forgetting... I'm just too lazy to look...

:3

[CD_Vision]

An adult with a relatively normal physiology can thrive just fine on a moderated diet. There is little evidence to suggest that a particularly large amount of anything, including stuff that's supposed to be good for you, will appreciably increase your life expectancy, or improve your resistance to certain ailments--at least, not without decreasing your resistance to other ailments in the process.

I would give you that. It seems to be the case that large amounts of the bad are what causes issues. I'm saying vegetable oil is bad. The supplements are meant as a counter, because for some people getting a proper diet is a really major adjustment in life. People like their junk food, you know?

I'm already a type II diabetic, and I realize there's a lack of studies to prove it, but I have neuropathy in my feet that's going away, and I think it's from supplements I'm taking. (Not Omega-3, grapeseed actually) These are recent changes that occured when I started taking them. Now I'm adding others to see what else can improve.


I'm sure there's lots more I'm forgetting... I'm just too lazy to look...

:3

How about in the OP where I said you could take Algae instead?

[Kromo]

Yo fuck diet and exercise.
I'm switching to pig oil...
mmmm...bacon fat...

[REALPLAYER]

Holy shit, you too? I've met like all of 3 people who have the fish allergy. It doesn't seem that common.

i honestly don't see how a man who's allergic to fish can have a happy wife

[Satomiblood]

I'm already a type II diabetic, and I realize there's a lack of studies to prove it, but I have neuropathy in my feet that's going away, and I think it's from supplements I'm taking. (Not Omega-3, grapeseed actually) These are recent changes that occured when I started taking them. Now I'm adding others to see what else can improve.

Doesn't neuropathy lead to foot ulcers?

[orochizoolander]

snip

I agree with most of your post however, to say there is little hard evidence proving a large amount of anything could be beneficial to one's health is akin to saying the Earth is flat.

[Mr. Mamation]

is fish oil the same as the fish sause in pho resturants? If so that stuff is great.

[danomighty]

<extra virgin olive oil user


keeps me regular :coffee:

[WARNA BROTHER]

Doesn't neuropathy lead to foot ulcers?

It is not a direct cause, but it is indirectly. Neuropathy causes decreased sensation in your feet. Foot ulcers are caused by either constant pressure or severe friction over time. When you have normal sensation in your feet, you feel this friction or pressure and adjust accordingly. With bad enough neuropathy, though, you don't feel these tell-tale signals and just go about your business until you look down and see them or smell them (trustme, they can stink!).

[gkrohwon]

its more like when you eat a balanced diet, theres not really another level to attain that is pertinent to your well-being. all that matters is achieving the balanced diet.

organic food is better for you though, and it usually tastes better.

like apples from my uncles property in the okanagan. you cant find that even in the organic section of the market its in a league of its own for taste.

[Pasteycracker]

How about in the OP where I said you could take Algae instead?

That works too... When I said I was too lazy to look I was talking about other foods that are fortified with omega-3/6. I'd rather add something to my diet than spending extra money on supplements...

[Dangerous J]

Doesn't neuropathy lead to foot ulcers?

Si


Foot ulcers are a significant complication of diabetes mellitus and often precede lower-extremity amputation. The most frequent underlying etiologies are neuropathy, trauma, deformity, high plantar pressures, and peripheral arterial disease.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20021101/1655.html

[jeenyus1]

Fish oil is more expensive than vegatable oil and although they are processed and filtered to get rid of the 'fishiness' it still smells and tastes a little fishy to me.

It's good to put in protein shakes though.

[jeenyus1]

i honestly don't see how a man who's allergic to fish can have a happy wife


HAYOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:chat::chat::chat::chat::chat:

[The Fireboy]

Or people could just try eating better...

[Ansatsuken-TKD]

@ CD_Vision

Glad you brought this up, you definitely know what's up! After studying nutrition in college, it's definitely best to get fish oil. It's just hecka expensive! Shoot, I'd get me some, but I'm a "in between blessings" 1st year graduate!

[Septimus Prime]

Pfft. Whatever. I take krill oil. Forget all you fish oil normies.

[jae hoon]

its more like when you eat a balanced diet, theres not really another level to attain that is pertinent to your well-being. all that matters is achieving the balanced diet.

organic food is better for you though, and it usually tastes better.

like apples from my uncles property in the okanagan. you cant find that even in the organic section of the market its in a league of its own for taste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsuT3mndOKE&feature=PlayList&p=D6E6BB9A526E55B7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=17

There is absolutely no proof organic foods are better for you, just speculation. And most people only believe organic foods taste better because they want it to.


Pfft. Whatever. I take krull oil. Forget all you fish oil normies.

Fixed for accuracy

[Endaeias]

Yo fuck diet and exercise.
I'm switching to pig oil...
mmmm...bacon fat...

Lolz! Well, the human body is very adaptable. That's the problem with dieting and working out: if you stick to a routine long enough, your body gets used to it and you stop making any/as much progress. It works the other way as well: it's how some people can eat fast food and candy all day everyday and not keel over from a heart attack.

[Phobos]

I heard fish oil is better then Viagra... is this true? Fish oil to lubricate those old rusty parts just like the tin-man.:cybot:

[F1]

it's how some people can eat fast food and candy all day everyday and not keel over from a heart attack.

^ Sounds like me. Anyways,

At work we use flax seed for our smoothies. At the placed I worked before that boss just had us throw straight up flax oil in the smoothies.

We use coconut oil for cooking though. Olive oil for dressings as well. And organic vegetables which die after 2 days.

<3F1

[huynhs87]

Most people assume saturated fat is bad for you. Whole milk and coconut oil are great.

[DeathReaper47]

I use fish oil pills. They taste kinda funny though.

[goodm0urning]

I agree with most of your post however, to say there is little hard evidence proving a large amount of anything could be beneficial to one's health is akin to saying the Earth is flat.In the sense that the pendulum of popular perception has swung in favor of supplements, yes. In the sense that the claim is justified by robust empirical evidence with blinding obviousness, hardly.

[dodgers2213]

An adult with a relatively normal physiology can thrive just fine on a moderated diet. There is little evidence to suggest that a particularly large amount of anything, including stuff that's supposed to be good for you, will appreciably increase your life expectancy, or improve your resistance to certain ailments--at least, not without decreasing your resistance to other ailments in the process.

Fish oil, in particular, is mainly hyped on the strength of flawed studies, exaggerated links, incomplete evidence, and illogical assumptions. Yes, there are some benefits--mainly for people who have had heart attacks, who have high cholesterol, and who have high blood pressure. There isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that fish oil has preventative effects in the healthy population for any of those problems, or to confirm the countless other benefits it's claimed to have. (Sorry, folks. "I started feeling good around the same time I took fish oil" is not sufficient evidence.) And, as with everything, it has its drawbacks, such as increased risks of bleeding and diabetes.

Most dietary supplements are marketed on the basis of claims that are either very broad or misleading as to their function. The FDA regulates them as food rather than drugs, which gives them the same level of required healthiness as any other legally marketable food product--in other words, not much of one. There are no real requirements as to what supplements are actually supposed to do for you, other than not directly make you sick or kill you.

most people dont understand this

[m121akuma]

i honestly don't see how a man who's allergic to fish can have a happy Japanese wife

Fixed. Sorry Az:wgrin:

[huynhs87]

is fish oil the same as the fish sause in pho resturants? If so that stuff is great.

Nope! I don't know why'd you put fish sauce in your pho either but hey!

[CD_Vision]

Doesn't neuropathy lead to foot ulcers?

Neuropathy is one of the major reasons people need to try harder to not become diabetics. It's nerve damage. It happens in your feet, in your eyes, and in your dick too. Your feet go numb, you get ED, and you go blind from it if your sugar is uncontrolled. In advanced stages, you may have to have your feet amputated if there's an infection from a cut. I'm only 34 years old, it seems wrong that I have to deal with this, but I know kids as young as 15 are getting it now.

I have it most noticeably in my feet. Right now it's just causing some numbness, but I have noticed a marked improvement since supplementing with grapeseed oil for about a month. My brand also has resveratrol in it, but I'm not sure if that really does anything. My eyes are slightly better too, but they weren't too bad anyway.

This week I also started taking Alpha Lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose to see if I feel any different. They're both believed to help with this.


In the sense that the pendulum of popular perception has swung in favor of supplements, yes. In the sense that the claim is justified by robust empirical evidence with blinding obviousness, hardly.

I realize that you want to see reasonable proof behind these claims. I really do understand that need to overcome skepticism. Problem with the study of supplements is that there isn't any big money behind this kind of thing, so it's not going to have rapid developments like the drug industry for example. There is a prescription brand of Omega-3 now though, and it's FDA certified to lower triglycerides. I'm sure that's something of worth.

Of most importance is the point I want to make that it's not an overabundance of good food that's this terrible thing. It's an overage of processed food. Specifically vegetable and seed based oils that are in so many packaged foods now. Those things on their own eaten now and then, maybe it's not so bad. It's when we eat badly chronically, and we don't take any counter measures. You can't tell me there aren't more sick people in this country than there ever have been.


@ CD_Vision

Glad you brought this up, you definitely know what's up! After studying nutrition in college, it's definitely best to get fish oil. It's just hecka expensive!

Really? I got mine at Costco, paid just $10 for 400 capsules. I thought it was pretty reasonable..

[Jubei Kibagami]

^ Thanks for the lesson CD_Vision. I went on ahead looked into what you posted to today and it was very informative. Not to mention my intake of Corn and Vegetable oils is kind of high (I see I need to reduce that number). So I went on down and got myself some Fish Tablets from Rite Aid. Didn't know what a good price for them was and apparently got ripped off. Payed $10 for 150 Tablets.

[CD_Vision]

^ Thanks for the lesson CD_Vision. I went on ahead looked into what you posted to today and it was very informative. Not to mention my intake of Corn and Vegetable oils is kind of high (I see I need to reduce that number). So I went on down and got myself some Fish Tablets from Rite Aid. Didn't know what a good price for them was and apparently got ripped off. Payed $10 for 150 Tablets.

You're on the right path now. Add a little something good into your life each day. Add more excercise, eat less sugar, try to relax when you can and focus on what is good in life.

[Javid]

I started to take garlic supplements a couple of weeks ago, apparently it's good for boosting your immune system.

[CD_Vision]

I started to take garlic supplements a couple of weeks ago, apparently it's good for boosting your immune system.

I can definitely tell you that raw garlic has some impressive antibacterial properties, and I get reductions in blood glucose when I eat it freshly crushed. I'm not really sure if you get the same effects in the dried form that they put in capsules.

[Angrynord]

An adult with a relatively normal physiology can thrive just fine on a moderated diet. There is little evidence to suggest that a particularly large amount of anything, including stuff that's supposed to be good for you, will appreciably increase your life expectancy, or improve your resistance to certain ailments--at least, not without decreasing your resistance to other ailments in the process.

Fish oil, in particular, is mainly hyped on the strength of flawed studies, exaggerated links, incomplete evidence, and illogical assumptions. Yes, there are some benefits--mainly for people who have had heart attacks, who have high cholesterol, and who have high blood pressure. There isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that fish oil has preventative effects in the healthy population for any of those problems, or to confirm the countless other benefits it's claimed to have. (Sorry, folks. "I started feeling good around the same time I took fish oil" is not sufficient evidence.) And, as with everything, it has its drawbacks, such as increased risks of bleeding and diabetes.

Most dietary supplements are marketed on the basis of claims that are either very broad or misleading as to their function. The FDA regulates them as food rather than drugs, which gives them the same level of required healthiness as any other legally marketable food product--in other words, not much of one. There are no real requirements as to what supplements are actually supposed to do for you, other than not directly make you sick or kill you.

I'm impressed to find someone on the internet who has done their homework. Guys, pay attention to what goodm0urning is saying here, because he is absolutely correct.

Supplementation is, in general, bullshit. Everything one's body needs can be acquired from food. A supplement is essentially just an overpriced repackaging of nutrients one already consumes regularly. Their popularity seems to be primarily tied to the populace's naïveté, and general misunderstanding of basic physiology. People are buying supposed "ionized water" so they can turn their body from an "acidic" state to an "alkaline" one, for example. Popular sentiment is just vastly misguided, and supplement companies are jumping all over it.


I agree with most of your post however, to say there is little hard evidence proving a large amount of anything could be beneficial to one's health is akin to saying the Earth is flat.

No.


I can definitely tell you that raw garlic has some impressive antibacterial properties,

Hm...interesting. Wish I still had lab access to check that out.

[CD_Vision]

Everything one's body needs can be acquired from food.

That's not being argued here. We're just pointing out that people don't eat the right kind of foods.

[Angrynord]

That's not being argued here. We're just pointing out that people don't eat the right kind of foods.

By saying "Start taking fish oil"?

[CD_Vision]

By saying "Start taking fish oil"?

Yes, and by the explanation showing that we have too many vegetable based oils in our diets.

You could also correct your diet, eat more fish and eat less vegetable oil. That's a great solution too. Where we have trouble here is between the ideal and the reality, which is that most people are very short on the time needed to plan these kinds of things, and the patience to follow through. (Some of that lack of patience may be directly from the imbalance!)

So we can take the shortcut for now until we get our habits changed.

[Javid]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_2_27/ai_n31421581/

Like anything else in this world, the first question you should ask when in doubt is where's the money?

Granted that the dietary supplement business is very big, there is no question that some of the shit that gets pushed towards us isn't really doing anything for us.

However, there are some things that we should and can take to support our bodily needs, if our diet doesn't provide it. Not long ago my doctor told me that I wasn't getting enough Vitamin D(I guess I need to get more sun and drink more milk), but he said that I could take Vitamin D supplements for a little while.

To say outright that all supplements do us no good and you can get everything with a normal diet is a little far fetched, since some supplements do help us if we don't have a balanced diet.

[Endaeias]

I started to take garlic supplements a couple of weeks ago, apparently it's good for boosting your immune system.

Apparently St. John's Wort is also good for the immune system. I've been taking it daily for about a month now, so it's a little soon to really give any feedback but it is supposedly effective from what I've heard.

[omfg]

I would like to suggest to everyone that they supplement their diet with Fish oil as soon as possible, and being phasing out as much vegetable oil in your diet as you can. It's starting to look like the imbalance of Omega-6 and 3 is a major source of our health problems.

Vegetable and seed oils are rich in Omega-6. Without enough Omega-3 in your diet, it causes a nasty imbalance, and there is research going into it now that it could be the root of many american health problems including Arthritis, Diabetes, and many kinds of depression. Lots of research is still looking at processed sugars and saturated fats, but it may be something much more basic.

It's ok if you're skeptical, but even if this is completely wrong there's still enough evidence to show benefits in fish oil to say it's good for you. It certainly can't hurt.

If you have allergies, look into Algae based supplements, as seed based oils may also be a problem.

Some Wiki articles for your consideration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_oil
What kinds of nasty imbalances? Can we get more info on this, like what has fish oil in it and what has vegetable oil in it? what's in fish oil? you suggesting we eat a shiltoad of sea food or something?

[BEWD]

Supplementation is, in general, bullshit.



So is Vitamin D3 supplmentation bullshit too? :xeye:, as I don't recall there being a food naturally high in d3(typicall the foods been fortified, and even then that's apparently not enough as well)

been supplementing with d3 for about a month now after reading this article:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/d_is_for_doping

[dodgers2213]

I started to take garlic supplements a couple of weeks ago, apparently it's good for boosting your immune system.

Garlic known to be a natural blood thinner: lowers blood pressure and is good to reduce blood clotting.
With that in mind, be wary of the benefits and the potential harm. Garlic is good for those who suffer with high blood pressure, blood clotting, and high cholesterol, BUT is not good for those who have low blood pressure and other related complications.

Always seek the opinion of a registered dietitian and get a proper physical exam before starting a new diet that includes the consumption of supplements or neglection of certain foods, and nutrients. Seek professional and trust-worthy opinions! dont trust the local gym rat or internet claims


So is Vitamin D3 supplmentation bullshit too? :xeye:, as I don't recall there being a food naturally high in d3(typicall the foods been fortified, and even then that's apparently not enough as well)

been supplementing with d3 for about a month now after reading this article:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/d_is_for_doping

I'm not going to get in a debate about supplements. I am of the opinion supplements are completely UNNECCESSARY unless you have a serious deficiency that directly results into a medical problem or are the age of 60+ yrs old

I will say this....your website and article has literally NO credibility whatsoever. Its like quoting the bible to prove god or seeking a paranormal "expert" to "investigate" noises coming from your attic

plain and simple: websites that encourage supplementation and are something like...
weight-lifting-for-you.com
buildingmuscleswcreatine.com
muscles.org
etc etc

such sites are NOT credible

[BEWD]

^I didn't ask you whether the site was credible or not(I have my own opinions about TMUSCLE as a site, and they're not favorable), I asked what your opinion on D3 was, considering the growing buzz about it.

EDIT: I also have this little thing about not trusting conventional wisdom, as after all, wasn't it conventional wisdom to eat 6-11 servings of grains a day according to the old food pyramid?

It'd be pretty good to see you post over here:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f15/

seeing as how there's a lot of good discussion going on there, and there are acclaimed guys (Berardi, Lyle Macdonald, etc.) who post there every so often, and since you're saying supplements are useless(though you still haven't said what food possesses vitamin d3 in high quantities, and seeing as how the weather has made getting it all from the sun next to impossible, I'd like to see your answer)

[ckrazy]

I'm allergic to fish. Your recommendation could have meant the end of me.

You're missing out. :sad:

[Effenhoog]

Fish is disgusting. I'll pass.

[ckrazy]

Fish is disgusting. I'll pass.

Just because you ate some shitty ass fish, doesn't mean fish is disgusting.

[dodgers2213]

^I didn't ask you whether the site was credible or not(I have my own opinions about TMUSCLE as a site, and they're not favorable), I asked what your opinion on D3 was, considering the growing buzz about it.

EDIT: I also have this little thing about not trusting conventional wisdom, as after all, wasn't it conventional wisdom to eat 6-11 servings of grains a day according to the old food pyramid?

It'd be pretty good to see you post over here:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f15/

seeing as how there's a lot of good discussion going on there, and there are acclaimed guys (Berardi, Lyle Macdonald, etc.) who post there every so often, and since you're saying supplements are useless(though you still haven't said what food possesses vitamin d3 in high quantities, and seeing as how the weather has made getting it all from the sun next to impossible, I'd like to see your answer)

its an ever changing science...such is the case with science. As new information comes, things change. However, running away with the latest fad is never a good thing.
Diet fads have always been popular and they all have something in common: they dont work. there is usually some sort of problem with a fad diet for the immediate or long term
Once size doesn't fit all. You should always consult an expert to run tests about YOUR health. TOGETHER you can find a plan that works out

Vitamin D?
http://www.dietitian.com/vitamind.html


http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp#h8
If you are concerned about being Vitamin D inadequate then ctrl f for: "Groups at Risk of Vitamin D Inadequacy" but also note consequence of overconsumption: "Health Risks from Excessive Vitamin D"

And of course: According to the 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans, "nutrient needs should be met primarily through consuming foods. Foods provide an array of nutrients and other compounds that may have beneficial effects on health. In certain cases, fortified foods and dietary supplements may be useful sources of one or more nutrients that otherwise might be consumed in less than recommended amounts. However, dietary supplements, while recommended in some cases, cannot replace a healthful diet."

[maxx]

fishoils are top notch...helped me with my flexibility which improved leaps and bounds and helps wit my joints. the older u get the tighter your joints are and harder for constant stretching...fishoils oil up the joints and help them out seriously.

[omfg]

fishoils are top notch...helped me with my flexibility which improved leaps and bounds and helps wit my joints. the older u get the tighter your joints are and harder for constant stretching...fishoils oil up the joints and help them out seriously.

fuck yeah where do I sign up. I could always use more flexibility

[maxx]

fuck yeah where do I sign up. I could always use more flexibility

gnc has triple strength fishoils...cvs also does too and probably cheaper..i havent compared the two bottles just yet. but when i bough the gnc stuff..i combined it with glucosamine..which is also a flexibility helping supplement.

[Trife88]

I posted a food and healthy documentary in this section, sadly nobody posted probably because of my rep and the thread title :/ maybe I should of made it a serious title being it is a serious issue..but everytime I try to press health and positive emotions towards my peers they brush it off like fuck it..so I hope you all will look at the docum one day....

[maxx]

I posted a food and healthy documentary in this section, sadly nobody posted probably because of my rep and the thread title :/ maybe I should of made it a serious title being it is a serious issue..but everytime I try to press health and positive emotions towards my peers they brush it off like fuck it..so I hope you all will look at the docum one day....

more info on the doc pls.

[Trife88]

more info on the doc pls.

The Doc is called Food Inc.

I have a link for it but I guess the topic got deleted so I'm not posting it.

Here is a youtube preview.

It is only a hour and some change long. For people who are already fully aware of whats going on, it is basically a recap with evidence from farmers and victims. Also introduces a lot people down with this "fat agenda" i didn't know was associated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0

I literally shed a tear when they showed the baby chickens.

And yes I can cry at this and be strong because I don't eat meat anymore. :china:

BUTTTTT don't get it twised, if I'm in a situation where I have NOTHING else to keep my body alive. I will eat meat. Until Armageddon hits, I'm straight.

Edit: you know what..yeah..its technically a fresh new movie hehe......oh well everything is illegal nowadays

[maxx]

The Doc is called Food Inc.

I have a link for it but I guess the topic got deleted so I'm not posting it.

Here is a youtube preview.

It is only a hour and some change long. For people who are already fully aware of whats going on, it is basically a recap with evidence from farmers and victims. Also introduces a lot people down with this "fat agenda" i didn't know was associated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0

I literally shed a tear when they showed the baby chickens.

And yes I can cry at this and be strong because I don't eat meat anymore. :china:

BUTTTTT don't get it twised, if I'm in a situation where I have NOTHING else to keep my body alive. I will eat meat. Until Armageddon hits, I'm straight.

does it touch upon the supposed connection to girls hitting puberty early and genetically altered food?

[Trife88]

does it touch upon the supposed connection to girls hitting puberty early and genetically altered food?

You are what you eat.

Apply some knowledge.

The docum. doesn't.

But that is a speculation that many think about.

Compare 1950-1980 era of women with 2000s.

And it also deals with real life experiences. I know first hand, I seen plenty of girls in a one year span literally mutate into Wonder Women.

Also I seen good looking girls who dramatically decreased in physique. Everything depends on genetics, health, emotions etc....

[maxx]

You are what you eat.

Apply some knowledge.

are u just saying that or saying thats in the documentary?

[Dropkick]

So is Vitamin D3 supplmentation bullshit too? :xeye:, as I don't recall there being a food naturally high in d3(typicall the foods been fortified, and even then that's apparently not enough as well)

been supplementing with d3 for about a month now after reading this article:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/d_is_for_doping

That article was very informative. Good shit.

I was recommended to take D3 supplements after being tested for low levels of it (and iron). Its probably due to the fact that I live in Seattle, where the sun is non-existent for 9 months out of the year. Haven't really felt the effects thus far, but its supposed to take a few weeks.

[DropOff]

Does olive oil count as vegetable oil?

Because it's supposed to be amazing for you.

[CD_Vision]

Does olive oil count as vegetable oil?

Because it's supposed to be amazing for you.

It's not a source of Omega-6 like other seed and vegetable oils. Which is good, we want things like this. Olive Oil and Butter, if you can believe that, are both good fats.

[manji187]

sardines in hot sauce, that'd be the best choice i can offer. i wish seaweed chips had O-3 in em.