View Full Version : Balrog Combos and Strats
Hobo-Joe
05-18-2003, 10:03 AM
Since there arent any other balrog threads...i decided to start this one.... post anything about balrog and his strats like what are his main pokes...safest anti-airs and people who duck under his dash straight.
Kaiser_Wave
05-18-2003, 10:08 AM
whan should i use gigatan blow?
Hobo-Joe
05-18-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Kaiser_Wave
whan should i use gigatan blow? u can use in many different situations...after most projectiles, dont know about guiles though and after cr.rh's like the shoto's....gigaton blow is fast so people will fear it while playing u
Mr. Bastos
05-18-2003, 08:41 PM
i play c and n-groove.. which one do you guys think is a better groove for rog? thanx in advance
GeekBoy
05-19-2003, 12:00 AM
Seriously, Gigaton Blow is like the fastest super in the game, it will punish EVERYTHING that has more than a few seconds for lag. Not to mention it has invincibility for a very long time, allowing you to breeze through fireballs and even lvl 3 supers (provided you did yours just a second after he did his).
justcusimasian
05-19-2003, 06:01 AM
I think there was a thread titled "Gigaton Blow's punishing power", there might be pretty useful stuff there. I'd go with N groove, his C cancels aren't that good anyway, and he can make really good use of stock break, but I don't know whether he should have a dash or run.
Hobo-Joe
05-19-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by justcusimasian
I think there was a thread titled "Gigaton Blow's punishing power", there might be pretty useful stuff there. I'd go with N groove, his C cancels aren't that good anyway, and he can make really good use of stock break, but I don't know whether he should have a dash or run. yeah,i think n groove is much better for rog....and i think his run is better than his dash by far IMO
anti-retard
05-19-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Hobo-Joe
yeah,i think n groove is much better for rog....and i think his run is better than his dash by far IMO
Of course noobs like you think this. You suck, and your Geese is gonna get raped by my EX-Rog.
Don't listen to this guy. Seriously. He's the worst player where I live.
As for grooves, C-groove is the best for Rog. His dash is great, much better than his run. He doesn't need run for mobility cause he's got his dash punches. His best anti-air is short Upper. His best pokes are c. strong, c. fierce, s. fierce and c. rh. His c. fierce is an anti-poke. Anytime you think the other guy is gonna stick something out, c. fierce and you WILL beat it. I've noticed almost all c. fierces in this game are anti-poke pokes.
Oh yeah corry...did I mention Bison sucks too? ;)
Neo_Slasher
05-22-2003, 10:42 AM
te cpu has done to me a dash uppercut then follow it up with dash ground straight so is this possible? and how you do thatif it is also som rog combos and if i should and if so how andwhenm to use balrog's crasy buffalo super.
thanx in advance:D
GeekBoy
05-22-2003, 01:17 PM
IMO, I'll rate the groove bar for Balrog as this:
C, P, A, K, N, S
C is by far the best for Balrog, because of the Alpha Counter, his powerful lvl 2 cancel, and his dash is a lot better, and not to mention the air blocking. You can remain pretty defensive in this and P groove (in P, just parry, and either s/c.Fierce). In terms of A, you can be more aggressive, his custom is pretty much a free Anti Air (unless in K/P, duh) and his ground custom does like 8000. For Balrog to really excel, he needs to hold on to a super or custom, because it adds to the scare factor. Lvl 3...well, you can't mess up AT ALL, the custom also puts the scare in them because they can't jump in on a sitting Balrog.
Hobo-Joe
05-23-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by anti-retard
Of course noobs like you think this. You suck, and your Geese is gonna get raped by my EX-Rog.
Don't listen to this guy. Seriously. He's the worst player where I live.
As for grooves, C-groove is the best for Rog. His dash is great, much better than his run. He doesn't need run for mobility cause he's got his dash punches. His best anti-air is short Upper. His best pokes are c. strong, c. fierce, s. fierce and c. rh. His c. fierce is an anti-poke. Anytime you think the other guy is gonna stick something out, c. fierce and you WILL beat it. I've noticed almost all c. fierces in this game are anti-poke pokes.
Oh yeah corry...did I mention Bison sucks too? ;) lol,geese thats the wrong name for u...it should be homo since thats the truth...lol jk and worst player here??? there only a few people who are decent...but hey next time u go to wiz ill play u a few times with my geese and c what happens
extraguy
05-23-2003, 06:15 PM
just some b&bs:
c.lpx3, b-f+lk (this combo is not a safe as it should be)
c.lpx2 (3 depending on postioning and opponent size), headbutt
anti-retard
05-24-2003, 12:04 PM
I just wanna add that C-groove is only the best for Rog cause u get meter fast and u can sit on it. Air-block does nothing for Rog (he controls the ground, and his jump sux). His lvl2 cancel is good and everything, but the reason ur using C-Rog is to sit on Gigaton. The second and (last remaining) reason why C-Rog is the ownage is cause his roll is ownage. Roll + Gigaton == ownage outside of turtling, then Gigaton strat.
Corry, man, i thought ur friend's name was Will? Who is this Chris u speak of? Is this ur homo buddy u were telling me about?
Hobo-Joe
05-24-2003, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by anti-retard
I just wanna add that C-groove is only the best for Rog cause u get meter fast and u can sit on it. Air-block does nothing for Rog (he controls the ground, and his jump sux). His lvl2 cancel is good and everything, but the reason ur using C-Rog is to sit on Gigaton. The second and (last remaining) reason why C-Rog is the ownage is cause his roll is ownage. Roll + Gigaton == ownage outside of turtling, then Gigaton strat.
Corry, man, i thought ur friend's name was Will? Who is this Chris u speak of? Is this ur homo buddy u were telling me about? thats wills cousin...remember the guy who was with us a while ago, and im not a homo...lets call jesse a homo lol,but anyways...(wills new name is guile123 and kaiser_wave is chris's)
should u use rogs headbutt for anti airs..or.. could/should you use a jab headbutt then throw? or is that too risky
anti-retard
05-25-2003, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Hobo-Joe
thats wills cousin...remember the guy who was with us a while ago, and im not a homo...lets call jesse a homo lol,but anyways...(wills new name is guile123 and kaiser_wave is chris's)
should u use rogs headbutt for anti airs..or.. could/should you use a jab headbutt then throw? or is that too risky
Don't use his headbutt as anti-air. Use his c. fierce, short Rush as anti-air. C. fierce is to regain momentum right away (c. fierce while chargin, dash punch to get back in) while short Rush is for knockdown if you wanna play some mind games on getup.
Btw, I was at Wizards yesterday, why weren't u there? It was fun playing cvs by myself though...it was funny and scary cause the first 2 minutes, I couldn't do uppercuts, and then i realized it was me and not the controls after..i think the diagnol position of the controls threw me off for a sec there.
Hobo-Joe
05-26-2003, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by anti-retard
Don't use his headbutt as anti-air. Use his c. fierce, short Rush as anti-air. C. fierce is to regain momentum right away (c. fierce while chargin, dash punch to get back in) while short Rush is for knockdown if you wanna play some mind games on getup.
Btw, I was at Wizards yesterday, why weren't u there? It was fun playing cvs by myself though...it was funny and scary cause the first 2 minutes, I couldn't do uppercuts, and then i realized it was me and not the controls after..i think the diagnol position of the controls threw me off for a sec there. u were? why didnt u say anything :@ anyways...nassim was telling me about t4 in july and was wondering if u are going or not? and tell me next time ull be at wiz,anyways...
so c.fierce is his main anti air...then what about dash uppercut...what should that be used for
Originally posted by anti-retard
I just wanna add that C-groove is only the best for Rog cause u get meter fast and u can sit on it. Air-block does nothing for Rog (he controls the ground, and his jump sux). His lvl2 cancel is good and everything, but the reason ur using C-Rog is to sit on Gigaton. The second and (last remaining) reason why C-Rog is the ownage is cause his roll is ownage. Roll + Gigaton == ownage outside of turtling, then Gigaton strat.
Corry, man, i thought ur friend's name was Will? Who is this Chris u speak of? Is this ur homo buddy u were telling me about?
Just letting you know. late airblock-land-gigaton blow is safe and leet anti-air. Also, airblocking a jump in puts more distance between you and you're opponent. Air blocking is remarkable when used properly. That's another reason why C is his best groove. Airblock counter for full damage. Also, Rog's dash is incredible if we're talking what makes C-Groove Rog dope. But then that would be a list, heh.
Apoc.
Originally posted by anti-retard
Don't use his headbutt as anti-air. Use his c. fierce, short Rush as anti-air. C. fierce is to regain momentum right away (c. fierce while chargin, dash punch to get back in) while short Rush is for knockdown if you wanna play some mind games on getup.
Btw, I was at Wizards yesterday, why weren't u there? It was fun playing cvs by myself though...it was funny and scary cause the first 2 minutes, I couldn't do uppercuts, and then i realized it was me and not the controls after..i think the diagnol position of the controls threw me off for a sec there.
Heh. Seriously, not trying to correct you at all but you're not making sense to me and I'm just helping peeps to understand sheez.
Cr.Fierce is good anti-air but not infallable. Even without a roll I wouldn't recommend that being the main anti-air. Not that you need anti air with P and K, heheh. RC short rush is his best anti-air for doing damage.imo unless against P and K. Done early enough A groove players either mis the blow through counter or aren't used to starting the combo like that and they mess up often. Even pretty safe against that. Still, better to bait things like ccs and air supers and use other air defenses for that. You need to mix up between 5-10 of his anti-airs. It's not as if the same air defenses are prudent in every match and if you don't switch up it makes it easy for your opponent to adjust. Headbutt is dope anti-air on the way up whether RC'd or not, though you need reflexes. So you DO want to use that as well. Also, you don't want to rush right after an anti air since that's the #1 time ppl try reversals against Rog. Best to fake first to show them that they can't guarantee a reversal if they try. You can't just be robotic and have a set pattern like that. Especially one that's so common in every game Rog's in. That's asking for a counter or some sort by most with any Rog experience. Be careful when trying that.
Apoc.
Neo_Slasher
05-26-2003, 07:20 PM
come on ppl how do you do that dash mix-up the cpu does? i try and and do it way late..... is there any way to do it instantly?
Originally posted by Neo_Slasher
come on ppl how do you do that dash mix-up the cpu does? i try and and do it way late..... is there any way to do it instantly?
Could you be more specific? I'd try to help but I don't what you're talking about:/
Apoc.
RagingStormX
05-28-2003, 05:24 AM
If you connect a dash upper from full screen, you can juggle with a gigaton blow. Very impractical in a real match, but it looks nice.
anti-retard
05-28-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Hobo-Joe
u were? why didnt u say anything :@ anyways...nassim was telling me about t4 in july and was wondering if u are going or not? and tell me next time ull be at wiz,anyways...
so c.fierce is his main anti air...then what about dash uppercut...what should that be used for
T4, yeah i am going most likely. why? nassim wanted to know or u wanted to know? u wanna go with me? maybe we go together or something? we better train though...not that i need training...lol..
yeah, i'll tell u next time i go.
apoc:
i don't need other anti-air other than short upper and c. fierce. I don't really even do c. fierce...my anti-air is short upper 90% of the time. anyway, that's nice thing about air-block gigaton, but i don't find it useful since the cases where that is useful, the air-block recovery or wtf it's called has nothing to do with the punishing (ex: u can't air-block normal which most characters do, but u can stuff like early SRK's and flash kicks, so if u blocked an SRK or flashkick, u have 10 years to charge, and wait for them to come down). about the dash, i already said he has a great dash. i think that's all for now.
Hobo-Joe
05-28-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by anti-retard
T4, yeah i am going most likely. why? nassim wanted to know or u wanted to know? u wanna go with me? maybe we go together or something? we better train though...not that i need training...lol..
yeah, i'll tell u next time i go.
apoc:
i don't need other anti-air other than short upper and c. fierce. I don't really even do c. fierce...my anti-air is short upper 90% of the time. anyway, that's nice thing about air-block gigaton, but i don't find it useful since the cases where that is useful, the air-block recovery or wtf it's called has nothing to do with the punishing (ex: u can't air-block normal which most characters do, but u can stuff like early SRK's and flash kicks, so if u blocked an SRK or flashkick, u have 10 years to charge, and wait for them to come down). about the dash, i already said he has a great dash. i think that's all for now. yeah,I wanted to know if you're going...and sure we can go together. Hey ive been getting better by playing comps...lol,but i have been getting better. u will c next time we play and for petes sakes GO TO WIZ SOON...george wants to play u in mvc2.But anyways...
Does balrog have a custom? and if he does can anyone tell me what it is and the damage it does?
anti-retard
05-28-2003, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Hobo-Joe
yeah,I wanted to know if you're going...and sure we can go together. Hey ive been getting better by playing comps...lol,but i have been getting better. u will c next time we play and for petes sakes GO TO WIZ SOON...george wants to play u in mvc2.But anyways...
Does balrog have a custom? and if he does can anyone tell me what it is and the damage it does?
yeah i will come soon. i don't thin ur better. u will always suck. yeah, i wanna play george in mvc2 too. and im not gonna tell u his custom cause c-groove is da best.
Neo_Slasher
05-29-2003, 11:20 AM
what i mean apoc is that i've notced that the cpu balrog in CvS2 on ps2 ( don't know if he does this on cube and box versions) he attacks me with a dash staight and like half a segond or 3/4 of a segond he immediatly does a dash ground straight , i was like what the fuck happend :confused: so i'mhere inthe balrog thread
tio learn how to do this asap since he did this i decided to drop sakura from my team and use balrog instead im' mastering him little by little and wanted to learn how to do ths shit! hope i was a little more specific to you apoc and thanx.
P.S.= i welcome ideas from every on what should i learn to do with balrog first
att. Neo-slasher = balrog newbie
Burghy
05-29-2003, 01:42 PM
You can't do that, the computer cheats.
Try this instead, for your top tier skilled balrog tricks!
be half screen away. hit the fierce button a lot
Originally posted by Neo_Slasher
what i mean apoc is that i've notced that the cpu balrog in CvS2 on ps2 ( don't know if he does this on cube and box versions) he attacks me with a dash staight and like half a segond or 3/4 of a segond he immediatly does a dash ground straight , i was like what the fuck happend :confused: so i'mhere inthe balrog thread
tio learn how to do this asap since he did this i decided to drop sakura from my team and use balrog instead im' mastering him little by little and wanted to learn how to do ths shit! hope i was a little more specific to you apoc and thanx.
P.S.= i welcome ideas from every on what should i learn to do with balrog first
att. Neo-slasher = balrog newbie
Charge, then go towards, back+button to dash. Now after one dash you're already charged for another. You can do this on all versions of SF really. It's just a trick with charging:D
Apoc.
kymah
05-29-2003, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Neo_Slasher
he attacks me with a dash staight and like half a segond or 3/4 of a segond he immediatly does a dash ground straight , i was like what the fuck happend :confused:
In reference to what CPU Balrog does, I know on the DC it does Turn punch, then dash lower. It just looks like two dash straights.
RagingStormX
05-30-2003, 05:09 AM
The CPU has auto charge anyway, ex. the walking flash kick. In super turbo Balrog will go crazy with you in the corner, doing like ten short uppers in a row.
Neo_Slasher
05-30-2003, 10:23 PM
thanx ppl!:D i can do it now but not as fast as the cpu but still it's good enough speed to me.
by the way what's balrog's best custom combo?
and does this dash upper (full-screen) does decent damage or does it hit olny like 2-3 hits and does no damage at all ?
thanx in advance:D
Laostyle559
06-10-2003, 12:59 AM
here are my customs...
big people or not crouching...
activate, s. RK, FP straight punch, RK upper x N, s. FP, No Escape!
small/crouching people...
activate, s. RK, c. RK, s. RK, FK upper, RK upper to corner, j. JP x 5, No Escape!
I Am Lothar
06-20-2003, 08:53 PM
uh what's Balrogs super level 2 cancel you guys have been raving about, haven't seen it any of the threads, not even the ones from the beginning.
Laostyle559
06-21-2003, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by I Am Lothar
uh what's Balrogs super level 2 cancel you guys have been raving about, haven't seen it any of the threads, not even the ones from the beginning.
I dunno, but only lvl 2 cancel i do is into the FP Headbutt, does pretty good damage, but i'd rather just save for the lvl3 Gigaton Blow if it wasn't a do or die situation :cool:
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