EVO2003 Predictions (and players to watch)!

[trag]

PLS don't be mad, it's all opinion! OK...

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USA only wins one game for free, MVC2. While I give much respect to Liquid Metal and his playing partners, they just don't have as much exposure to consistent high level play like the USA does. There are approximately 40 MVC2 players in Japan... total. Even then, Liquid Metal has shown he is a very capable player and his dedication is incredible. Still, there is no substitute for consistent high level comp like Seattle, So.Cal, and of course, NY. This game is still being played 3 years later with a huge player base by a ton of good players... though the country is certain, the player may not be.

Players to watch: 2-Time Defending Champ Justin Wong, Sanford Kelly, Desmond Pinkney (Xcutioner), Josh Wigfall, Josh Wong, Mike Mixon (Mixup), Rodolfo Castro (Rowtron), Jason Kuan, Rattanna, Tong Ho (Genghis), Daniel Maniago (Clockw0rk, if he is still playing seriously... may not be though), David Lee. Soo Young Chon (SooMighty), Alex Salguero (Sin)... too many players to list. This is going to be a high-intensity tournament with an amazing finals, guaranteed.

tragics pick: Justin Wong

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If no specialists come in XX and ST, then USA has a shot. Then again, Ohnuki placed 2nd and went to second set of the match and he hadn't played in a while (he admitted after the match that he was remembering how to play during the match lol!). If any of the JPN specialists come for ST, they will win. Just like the USA XX SBO team, the #1 ST team was bombed on first round (however, second team did ok, winning one match).

Players to watch: 2-Time Defending Champ, Jason Cole. He may be off his game once in a while, but you can't argue with back to back wins. Other players to watch: Jason Nelson, David Sirlin (the Robot), Alex Valle (CaliPower), John Choi (ChoiBoy), Bob Painter, Chris Lee (shreck), Mike Creque (Masaka), Mike Watson (Watts), Jesse Cardenas (JSJ), Jason DeHerass (Shirts), Jason Gonzles (Apoc).

If Japan ST players come: Daigo, Kurahashi, Bro Chun. However, I kinda doubt any ST specialist will come. As always, keep an eye on Kuni Funada. He is the man.

tragic's pick: Jason Cole

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If any XX specialists show up, Japan will rape. This is the game I play the absoloute most right now, and when I went to Japan for SBO, the difference was crazy. There is one factor that may come into play: the fact that USA will be playing XX (regular) up till EVO, and Japan has now moved on to XX # Reload version B. If they are rusty on original XX, then I dunno... still pretty safe to say their specialists will take it. If no specialists come, I predict a pretty badass top 8 comprised mainly of USA players, with perhaps one or two JPN non XX specialists (like Daigo or Tokido if they come).

Players to watch: ID (Saif), Chaotic Blue (Romel), both from Team USA, Kageh (Harold), FINALSHOWDOWN, and Unconkable (from midwest), Kono (Drew) from the East Coast, Texas talent by way of Fubarduck (Ryan), Hsien (Shen), and Aznhitler (David), and some new blood from the NW by way of Billy (SeiKensou) and his crew.

tragic's pick: Chaotic Blue

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CVS2 in Japan was pretty crazy too. We've both had the game for 2 years or so, and yet their knowledge of the game and execution is awesome. You think you can rush, they can rush better. You think you can turtle, they can turtle better. There is no one, and I mean NO ONE in the USA as good as even the 10th best CVS2 player in Japan. Team USA got served in CVS2 as well as XX. Props to Buktooth for a good showing vs Dan (JPN player) in the first round.

Players to watch: Defending EVO and SBO champ Tokido (if he comes), Ohnuki (even though he "quit", hes raw), Ino, BAS, Togawa, Mago (if he comes), Otaku (if he comes), Daigo (if he comes), Campbell Tran (Buktooth88), John Choi, George Posados (Gee-o), Ricky Ortiz, Bryan Tyson (Ryuwinz), David Hem, Jason Nelson, Sanford Kelly, Justin Wong, Arturo Sanchez, Alex Salguero.

tragic's pick: Ino

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3S will be very interesting. The USA team came within one combo of beating the team that took SBO (I dunno why Pyrolee threw when he coulda ended the game with a combo... probably nerves, which is understandable). I think there are a few really good USA players this year that will make it into the top 8, and there's a possibility that one will be in the finals. However, if more than 4 or 5 3S specialists show up (Inoue, Mester, Izu etc etc) the chance becomes more and more slim. I think the gap this year is much smaller than last year. This will definitely be a tournament to keep an eye on.

Players to watch: Ino, Mester, Ohnuki, Daigo (if he comes), Izu, George Posados, Alex Valle, Pyrolee, Paul Lee, John Gordon (Flash G), the NE talent by way of Simon Yoo (Yooyoung), Jamar Lewis (Jamarvelous), Cameron (Blood Urien), Hsien Chang, Sanford Kelly, Justin Wong, Ricky Ortiz, Alex Duong, Mark Rogoyski (mopreme), Tuan Phan (Vigorous).

tragic's pick: Gee-O

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SC2 will be USA dominated. Unless, by some miracle, the top 3 JPN players show up, the top 8 will most likely be all USA. Fetz proved he had what it takes to compete with Japanese SC2, and he had an exciting 2-set finals at SC2 Nationals with Kageh. At the time, Kageh's Ivy was the top, but I think now that Cervantes is the #1 character in SC2, and fetz is hardcore Cervantes and one of the all time great USA SC players, this is almost as sure as Justin winning MVC2. However, seeing as there is a lot of new BS in SC2 (both arcade and console), there is a possibility that some upsets happen.

Players to watch: Spencer (fetz), Kageh (Harold), Aris, Simi, Floe (Ari), Bentlee, Spencer Ray (Srayer), Shafi Mohamed (Redfoot), Shaun Larusel (shauno).

tragic's pick: fetz

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VF4 will be interesting. If more than a small handful of VF specialists come from Japan / Korea, VF4 will have an asian dominated top 8... perhaps with one or two non asian-country representatives. If not, then I think the top 8 will be pretty crazy. Though it's pretty much underground in the USA, there are some very devout followers. The hardcore VF'ers spare no expense at studying and analyzing the games intracasies, and the hotspots in the USA have turned out some very strong players. The players from NY, Florida, and Los Angeles will most likely be sending the strongest players, while other pockets of talent across North America (Canada included) will be well represented by the top players in their area. Ryan Hart from UK has a legitamate chance at making the top 8, but he may not show up.

Players to watch: Ohnuki, Tokido, Daigo (if he comes). Chibita (if he comes), Shinz (if he comes). Adnan (adamyuki, if he comes), blondeone, imf, Omaha Jeffry, spotlite, shota (if he comes), Hiro (if he comes), Sumeragi, mike from La, and Ryan Hart from the UK (if he comes)... also, any of the other possible specialists from Korea and Japan.

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Tekken 4: Korea will win. That is all.

Players to watch: Koreans

tragic's pick: a Korean

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Tekken Tag...

Depending on how many Koreans show up, this may or may not be an exciting finals. If a lot show up, then you will see some ridiculous high level play in the final 8 among Koreans and Hameko. If only one or two show up, then you will probably only see ridiculous high level play in the final 2 or 4, and everyone else getting slaughtered in the top 8. I say probably, because I think there is an outside chance that one of the American / Europe players pulls off an upset or two.

Players to watch: any Korean that shows up, hameko (japan), Bronson Tran (insanelee), Som Hellalonglastname (som), Unconkable, Slips, Joeking, tomhilfigr, Ryan Hart (if he shows up), JOP, and don't forget Noman (reigning Euro Champ).

tragic's pick: hameko

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See you at Evolution 2003!

ben

[kryonik]

If team NNJ shows up, I expect them to do VERY well in SC2.

[N-Ken]

I dont know if Idaho still plays SC II much, but I think they would do well if they went. Reldan has a crazy Cervy.

[iKlEiTlH]

Hey Tragic, do you have a list of korean/japanese names that are probably gonna show up for evo?

I had no idea people like Hameko/Otaku/Mago/etc were thinking of attending this year...

[ShadowKnife]

Well, I'm guessing Spyro is going to Evo, so he's another MvC2 watch-out-for. I'm going mainly for GGXX and 3S, but I'm prolly not that good to be on these lists (*sniff*)

-Pacs-

[bakemono]

Damn, the northwest sucks at everything but Marvel :( :(

[RoninChaos]

I think players from the ATL Tekken crew, if they come, will have a good run in Tag and 4.

[Deuce]

Originally posted by bakemono
Damn, the northwest sucks at everything but Marvel :( :(

they aint bad in XX

[Binarystar]

Originally posted by tragic



Players to watch: Alex Duong




Arcadekid!!!!!!!!!!

You better go!!!!!!

[Juicy G]

Don't sleep on the midwest...

[BillyKane]

I think Dan will do well in SC2 if he goes.

[...?]

XX preds, edited to be unbiased since people are too sensitive.

without Japanese XX players....

Predictions:

Top 5: East Coast/Midwest

Bottom 5: West Coast/South Coast

Players to watch:

Peru: I hear Peru plays a mean GGXX

Alaska: That one guy who plays by himself

CA: tragic,ID,ChaoticBlue,

TX: AznHitler,Fubarduck,

IL: Elvenshadow, JuicyG,Hbomb,Ukyo,

MI: FinalShowdown and his buddies.

OH: KBnova,Me^^,and friends

PA: Fatcat,Toiyet,

VA/MD: Kono, KoNinja

FL: Heidren98 and his buddies


Dang look i even included Peru, how much more unbiased can i get.


Jin K's Pick: Kono.

[SilverGear]

tragic:

On your list I couldn't help but notice you listed Ricky Ortiz a variety of times.

Does this mean Ricky O. is going to be allowed to participate this year?




P.S.: Your 3rd Strike list is missing the Japanese player KSK. ;)

[RedTide]

I think Kuni confirmed that Daigo will NOT be coming unfortunately.

[FINAL SHOWDOWN]

well before i make a serious detailed prediciton maybe i have heard that in XX some random dude named


"WHIPPY POO" is ridiculously good at the game. If nothing else his name is cool. shrug.

[Bacardi]

jop gets mentioned and i dont :*( i never lost to noone in the south and i'm going

[...?]

apparantly Ive been informed that Im not allowed to have opinions.

[Peachs]

eh diz is peachs. I posted a bit ago but look like my post got fuckin' deleted. ha real slick eh. but ya know dawg you cant keep a hard broa liek me down ya dig? My pimpin' has been fuckin' tight as usual if anyone knows honey cunt left me so nuggs has had to work doublez but its all good in the hood.



Naw for sure dis is my predictons for that wack ass otaku game XX. Damn why brothers be playing this shit i dunno guess they still fucking there hands and shit cuz they watching to much anime but who knows but dem eh?


XX.

im gonna say kono. That fucking yigga im not even sure if you should let him play in the tourny. i seen that foo play and lemme say i wouldnt even let him join the tourny at my crib cuz i know the foo would change the game PERIOD.

Last time he play police arrested him for doing to much. I was liek shit yigga. You gotta settle down. Does that retard listen. HELL NO. fucker rasided the roof on that shit with his black belt in carate. Shit was off the mother fuckin' chains ya dig?

Man can i get a ahem in that bitch. Seriously that kono fucker dun let that dawg play. Shit is serious.


also i gotz probz wit em. He fucking fucked my gurl honey pot and fucked her up. Shit didnt even pay me. That money was my break fast.


also if anyon esee that fucker you tell him peachs want his fucking bacon egg and cheese biscut.

[I Eat Dirt]

I already know my prediction... Its Partying!!!!

[qwazy]

cvs2; highest placing american ( non japanese player ) is gonna' be choi or buk. i just have the damnest feelin' in my bones buk is gonna' plow some fuckin' heads.

3s; i like pyro's yun a lot and i think he most likely learned a lot over in japan. i see him puttin' on a good show as well.

st; it depends. if he goes full on afro, he'll take st. if he does somethin' with his hair he wont place as high. that's how i see it. :D

[Peachs]

oh hell ya its the peachs coming back at you wit more info about that foo.

you wanna know how shady he is. man oh hell no. That yigga once try to give me a bad stick and shit when we was playin' and shiet. He gave me a stick that made it so i couldnt block eddie. aw hell naw that shit didnt fly. I fucking was about to get rated R on his bitch ass. I told ya'll brothas that this yigga needs a warning label.

parental discrestion is advised if you want to watch his ass play for real PERIOD.


naw oh you know fa sho his shit is serious if the yigga got a fucking warning label on his ass. my god. Raise the roof for real when this dawg playz. Fucking peed my pants and shit.

[Troyboy]

I think you all should watch out for my wanna be Asian friend SILVERGEAR. He tell's me he's gonna get first place with Q.

GO GET" EM BUDDY!!

I almost forgot Acesmith5 he will be taking that last place spot. It's all your's buddy.

[Zigmover21]

Originally posted by N-Ken
I dont know if Idaho still plays SC II much, but I think they would do well if they went. Reldan has a crazy Cervy.

Reldan is still good, but he and Cadard quit a loooooong time ago.

SC2-North New Jersery crew is VERY strong. X_SC2 just won the Mid West vs EC tourny in Chicago. If he comes to Evo (and I think he will), watch out.

Also, Dan (French player) is favored to win their qualifier to see who flies to the US for Evo. He is a spacing monster. If it's him and X_SC2 for the finals, I'll be in absolute heavan. Which is good, 'cause then SC2 will become lame.:bluu:

For Marvel, I'll say Rowtron, because I can.:cool:

[bakemono]

I think this will be the Northwest's chance to show it's muscles in games other than mvc2

[SilverGear]

Originally posted by Troyboy
I think you all should watch out for my wanna be Asian friend SILVERGEAR. He tell's me he's gonna get first place with Q.

GO GET" EM BUDDY!!


Troy STFU. I'll be extremely lucky if I get out of pool play. I know this and you know this.

And seriously don't put words into my mouth, not once have I said anything along the lines of winning anything at Evo.

So do me a favor and don't give me any unwanted attention. :bluu:

[Mummy-B]

Originally posted by qwazy
cvs2; highest placing american ( non japanese player ) is gonna' be choi or buk. i just have the damnest feelin' in my bones buk is gonna' plow some fuckin' heads.


Maybe if they manage to throw every RC Ricky Ortiz does. Choi was defeated already, and Buktooth is Choi's level or very slightly lower.

Ortiz is probably US's best competitive bet against any Japanese player.

[trag]

Originally posted by Mummy-B


Maybe if they manage to throw every RC Ricky Ortiz does. Choi was defeated already, and Buktooth is Choi's level or very slightly lower.

Ortiz is probably US's best competitive bet against any Japanese player.

He's not even close to the same level. Even if he's slightly better than Choi, none of the top USA CVS2 players are close to the top JPN CVS2 players. =/

ben

[GF2]

That really depends on what it is that makes a player "good". If by USA's best, you mean Ortiz had the most wins over the other known players, for example, then I suppose so. If you're talking best as in undefeated in all kinds of play (including casual), and able to adapt with any character for all situations against everyone here, then he certainly isn't.

Yep, adaptation's definitely one distinct advantage Japan has over US. They have more time to 'study' games there than we do, and observe each and every two-character match-up. Though why they lose easily in MvC2 still puzzles me. Is it because that game's sparse there, or something? Like how MVS cabinets are sparse in the US?

Anyway, one thing I know for certain is that Brandon Cheney (Dr.B)'s gonna show up, and I'd say he'll likely make a few highlights in CvS2, hopefully with S-Groove (IMO, he's like the S-player in the Bay Area). I don't expect him to win, but I'm guessing that at the least, he won't lose to anyone below Choi's level.

:cool:

[ruiN-]

=O!!!

[box]

Actually you guys are forgetting a key factor here.

Inkblot mentioned that all the arcade games will be played on american cabinets and joysticks. That means no japanese cabinets for anyone to use... at least for the ST, CvS2, 3s, MvC2.

If this is the case then both ricky ortiz and john choi should be able to match up with the top japanese players. Ortiz beat Ino and choi has beaten Bas on american sticks during tourney time. Heck even jason nelson and buktooth will have a good chance also.

[box]

MvC2 finalists: Justin Wong, Rodolfo, Sanford, Sin, Golden Nismor, Ghenghis, David Lee, Kuan.

My guess is that Justin will take it again. The kid has been hungry since ECC6 and he's still hungry. 2nd place is up in the air.

Daigo is not coming, and I hear that Ricky is trying his best to pay back the money he owes the Cannons so he should be able to compete.

CvS2 finalists: Ino, bas, ohnuki, tokido, ricky ortiz, jason nelson, buktooth, John choi.

I put in a bunch of americans in there because Inkblot mentioned that there will be NO japanese cabinets. It won't be a japanese beatdown this year as they will have to use american sticks.

My pick: Ricky Ortiz. If they bring in some japanese cabinets, then Tokido.

[Dr.B]

Doc's Predictions:

MvC2:

Soo Mighty,Crescent-X,Dirty,RowTron,Jwong,Potter,David Lee,???

GGXX:

Eric Choi "Zim",Chaotic Blue,ID,Hella Japanese Players

ST:

Apoc,Jason Cole,John Choi,Ohnuki,Nelson

CvS2:

Crescent-X,John Choi,Buktooth,Nelson,Random Scrubs,Gee-O,Tokido,Ohnuki

3S:

Gee-O,Apoc,KSK,Tokido,Nelson,John Choi

As far as who wins who knows...I know I'm going and imma represent hardcore...Its time to do some damage.. ....Good luck to all who enter....

-B.:cool:

[KaiSing]

Posted these thoughts in another thread that got deleted for some reason...

Marvel:
I predict the top 3 to be Justin, David L, and Row or Kuan. Other big names you might see in the finals and should watch out for (assuming they go) include Clock, Soo, Duc, Golden Nismor, Sin, Sanford, and Shady. There are also people in Cali who haven't quite made very big names of themselves but are also very good include people like Julius Jackson, Junior B, Potter, and many others.

[SooMighty]

You guys shouldn't be watching any players. That's fucking ******.

[Mummy-B]

Originally posted by SooMighty
You guys shouldn't be watching any players. That's fucking ******.

:lol: fob post of the day.

tragic - I never said Ortiz was going to WIN, I said he's the US's best competitive chance. I think that's a vaild statement. No?

[Pained Auron]

Originally posted by Dr.B
MvC2:

Soo Mighty,Crescent-X,Dirty,RowTron,Jwong,Potter,David Lee,???



hey brandon, i think you left out djb-13 from this list

[Mummy-B]

Originally posted by g0ku3x



hey brandon, i think you left out djb-13 from this list

If dj-b13 is going in the list, then Mixup is DEFINATELY going in the list.

[Pained Auron]

Originally posted by Mummy-B


If dj-b13 is going in the list, then Mixup is DEFINATELY going in the list.

yea he should be there. fotgot about him:sweat:

[Dr.B]

I give Dj-b13 their props Mixup as well....those are two good players right there....

-B.:D

[qwazy]

Originally posted by Mummy-B


Maybe if they manage to throw every RC Ricky Ortiz does. Choi was defeated already, and Buktooth is Choi's level or very slightly lower.

Ortiz is probably US's best competitive bet against any Japanese player.

i know ortiz is probably the best US player right now, but i have the strangest feeling buk is gonna' get into a damn good groove. iono why buk, but i feel it. :confused:

[Slayer213KIL]

Originally posted by tragic
3S will be very interesting. The USA team came within one combo of beating the team that took SBO (I dunno why Pyrolee threw when he coulda ended the game with a combo... probably nerves, which is understandable). I think there are a few really good USA players this year that will make it into the top 8, and there's a possibility that one will be in the finals. However, if more than 4 or 5 3S specialists show up (Inoue, Mester, Izu etc etc) the chance becomes more and more slim. I think the gap this year is much smaller than last year. This will definitely be a tournament to keep an eye on.

Players to watch: Ino, Mester, Ohnuki, Daigo (if he comes), Izu, George Posados, Alex Valle, Pyrolee, Paul Lee, John Gordon (Flash G), the NE talent by way of Simon Yoo (Yooyoung), Jamar Lewis (Jamarvelous), Cameron (Blood Urien), Hsien Chang, Sanford Kelly, Justin Wong, Ricky Ortiz, Alex Duong, Mark Rogoyski (mopreme), Tuan Phan (Vigorous).

tragic's pick: Gee-O



I agree with your assessment of the 3rd Strike competition. Although I would add Watson, and JR to your list of players to watch for.

Slayers Pick : Pyro.

Although I think Ohnuki is a close call for the finals. His Chun Li is brutal.
I'd like to See someone from the Northwest make it to the final 8, whether it be RayBladeX, Lifetimeboy, or Apoc.

[Peachy]

Tragic is so funny! He also moddest. He left himself out of his list. I say Tragic is one to look out for in GGXX and other games. ;)

Lots of competition I think EVO will be very interesting this year. :)

[ICD-3]

ruiN- is gonna own the planet in ggxx.

[ruiN-]

Originally posted by ICD-3
ruiN- is gonna own the planet in ggxx.


hahah eddieeeeeeeeeeeeee :D

[ninja sentinel]

Originally posted by tragic
CVS2 in Japan was pretty crazy too. We've both had the game for 2 years or so, and yet their knowledge of the game and execution is awesome. You think you can rush, they can rush better. You think you can turtle, they can turtle better. There is no one, and I mean NO ONE in the USA as good as even the 10th best CVS2 player in Japan. Team USA got served in CVS2 as well as XX. Props to Buktooth for a good showing vs Dan (JPN player) in the first round.

...

tragic's pick: Ino

I understand what you're talking about, but remember that ricky ortiz beat Ino at nec3 4-3, so he might stand a chance.

[trag]

lol... wait and see. no one in usa is as good as the best cvs2 players imo. just basic it on what i've seen recently during trip to japan, and state of cvs2 in america currently.

ben

[Kuni]

everyone forgot the man 'BAS'?!

I'd guess BAS will most likely take cvs2, and he has to win to make his trip expenses.
Who else do you think is as good as BAS?

KSK says he's gonna win 3S, since no other Japanese 3S specialists will show up.
I guess Pyrolee will beat KSK. Pyrolee's Yun is in the same high level as top Japanese players.

I'm now recruiting Japanese top ST specialists to go to Evo2k3.
A member of team 'brown-ryu'; Ken-O shows interest.
If none of Jap ST specialists come, then Watts, or JASONs will win.

Ino is still among the top players in GGXX (#rel). so he'll take it.

Matsuda is a got in VF and also current active player, so he'll do good job in it.

[box]

Kuni: Since all the capcom games are going to be played on American Cabinets, are the japanese players practising on American joysticks and buttons these dayS???

[arcticninja]

also be on the lookup for this crazy Hugo player from Canada :D

they say no one has played him and lived to tell about it! :lol:

[...?]

Enter the smack talk mode!
(Disclaimer: Just cause its fun, none of this is serious, or should be taken seriously, if it is, you people are too sensitive. None of this is meant to personally insult people, just enjoy it :P)

http://www.oldcrows.net/~acen/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136&perpage=15&pagenumber=5


Read, Crackpr0n states he beat Ino.

so since Crackpr0n was beaten terribly by East Coast, does that mean East coast > Ino ? :cool:

Or does Crackpr0n have the disease of "I talk too much for my own good" that most people out west seem to have kekekekeke :P

[Sabin]

Originally posted by Kuni
everyone forgot the man 'BAS'?!

I'd guess BAS will most likely take cvs2, and he has to win to make his trip expenses.
Who else do you think is as good as BAS?


Plenty of ppl can, IMO. I seriously dont think USA is that far off from Japan in CvS2, however they have a better understanding of the engine and know tricks that we dont, thats the main difference.

If JPN plays on USA sticks I think we have a good chance in CvS2. Bas has been beaten several times by Choi on USA sticks, Ino also lost to Choi/Nelson/Ricky on USA sticks as well. However, this was like 7-8 monts ago, so I dunno. Either way I think USA has a good shot at the game this year despite what tragic says (and it's all just opinion, so I could be wrong - but I hope I'm right. :) )

[rsigley]

Originally posted by Sabin


Plenty of ppl can, IMO. I seriously dont think USA is that far off from Japan in CvS2, however they have a better understanding of the engine and know tricks that we dont, thats the main difference.

If JPN plays on USA sticks I think we have a good chance in CvS2. Bas has been beaten several times by Choi on USA sticks, Ino also lost to Choi/Nelson/Ricky on USA sticks as well. However, this was like 7-8 monts ago, so I dunno. Either way I think USA has a good shot at the game this year despite what tragic says (and it's all just opinion, so I could be wrong - but I hope I'm right. :) )


espically with "The One" going to Cali this year, Strong Island baby

[Blaster360]

Well I am not positive about individual results but here are my international picks:

US takes:

MVC2
SSTF2T

Korea takes:
Tekken

Japan takes:

SF3TS
CVS2
GGX2
VF4

And SC is a toss up, never really seen any huge tournament play for it, so who knows!:rolleyes:

[ID]

Originally posted by ...?

so since Crackpr0n was beaten terribly by East Coast, does that mean East coast > Ino ? :cool:



You'll be lucky if East coast > WC scrubs.

[MiXuP2.1]

Originally posted by ID


You'll be lucky if East coast > WC scrubs. '

This guys got jokes

[Deuce]

Originally posted by MiXuP2.1
'

This guys got jokes

i didn't laugh

[MiXuP2.1]

you're right it was stupid.

Check title

[Deuce]

Originally posted by MiXuP2.1
you're right it was stupid.

Check title

no thanks, that's what florida's for

don't take it serious..

and btw, ID was talking ggxx

[MiXuP2.1]

Originally posted by Deuce


no thanks, that's what florida's for

don't take it serious..

and btw, ID was talking ggxx

really i didn't notice.


Fuckin bum

[ruiN-]

Originally posted by ID


You'll be lucky if East coast > WC scrubs.

^____________^

[Deuce]

Originally posted by MiXuP2.1


really i didn't notice.


Fuckin bum


didn't think you followed anything besides marvel

EDIT: and we don't hate you, we just think you guys suck

[Peachs]

Originally posted by ID


You'll be lucky if East coast > WC scrubs.


eh yo YO its me in the hizzy fa shizzy my brothas. Non exactly what is this cat tryin' to say cuz i certainly anit diggin' it. Is he trying to make fun of one of his own playas? aw hell naw wc not even unified and shit naw this shiet is getting ugly.


oh anotha note im still pimpin PERIOD.

[Peachy]

Originally posted by Peachs



eh yo YO its me in the hizzy fa shizzy my brothas. Non exactly what is this cat tryin' to say cuz i certainly anit diggin' it. Is he trying to make fun of one of his own playas? aw hell naw wc not even unified and shit naw this shiet is getting ugly.


oh anotha note im still pimpin PERIOD. Nice name. :)

[Paranoia EviL]

Originally posted by ...?

Or does Crackpr0n have the disease of "I talk too much for my own good" that most people out west seem to have kekekekeke :P

as a pose to "as soon as we beat 1 westcoast player we better gloat and automatically deam ourselves better!" disease.

[Pained Auron]

are any japanese players besides BAS, ino, and KSK coming to evo?

[Peachs]

Originally posted by Peachy
Nice name. :)



thanks dawg much love. Would you be intresting in some high class pussy? we got some honeys fa sho no shiet man. We got snuggs(bitch likes to snuggle after fucking) honey pot(her shit is sweet ya dig?) nuggs(if ya freaky ya like her shes got one sac.. psst she use to be a man) there some more but i forget.

anyway much love brotha any help would be apperciated i havnt ate breakfast in a couple months and i want my bacon egg and cheese biscuts PERIOD.

[iKlEiTlH]

Originally posted by Peachs

thanks dawg much love. Would you be intresting in some high class pussy? we got some honeys fa sho no shiet man. We got snuggs(bitch likes to snuggle after fucking) honey pot(her shit is sweet ya dig?) nuggs(if ya freaky ya like her shes got one sac.. psst she use to be a man) there some more but i forget.


LoL
wTF?
:lol:

[DancingFighterG]

Yo, this is DancingFighterG. All I know is that when it comes down to SC2, america has a STRONG group. It's going to take some mad skills from some foreign players to knock a lot of amercan players out. I can't wait.

[grandabx]

Why isn't DAIGO going? He was supposed to come and "beast" on cats.:( Is he afraid of leaving Japan?

[Sabin]

Because Daigo wants USA to pay for his ticket, I'm not 100% sure if that's true or not though.

[grandabx]

Damn! That's not good.:( This is like the best chance to see where he stands after all this time. I really hope he goes.

[qwazy]

if he won, wouldnt that be payin' for his ticket?

someone fuggin' tell him that.

[ninja sentinel]

Originally posted by tragic
lol... wait and see. no one in usa is as good as the best cvs2 players imo. just basic it on what i've seen recently during trip to japan, and state of cvs2 in america currently.

ben
I don't know man, you probably think that usa will get beat up because they got raped at SBO :p but I think Choi and company just chocked and were inconfortable playing on those sticks. They didn't have home court advantage neither.

Anyways, talk is cheap :lol: we'll see what's gonna happen at evolution, but I have a hard time seeing Ricky going down easily, I could be wrong though :p

[MiXuP2.1]

Originally posted by Deuce



didn't think you followed anything besides marvel

EDIT: and we don't hate you, we just think you guys suck

After the decline in comp on wc some of us share the same opinion.

[ruiN-]

Originally posted by MiXuP2.1


After the decline in comp on wc some of us share the same opinion.


hehe =x i dont like the whole wc vs ec thing but in MvC2 i will admit wong > WC but 1 EC person doesnt mean EC>WC

Wong/sanford pretty much are the big mvc2 players

while cali still has like 10-20 ish =/

[MiXuP2.1]

Originally posted by ruin-



hehe =x i dont like the whole wc vs ec thing but in MvC2 i will admit wong > WC but 1 EC person doesnt mean EC>WC

Wong/sanford pretty much are the big mvc2 players

while cali still has like 10-20 ish =/

I guess thats the funny part, u don't understand it's not just wong anymore on Ec

*shrugs*

We're just slept on even though we've been playing constantly.

And for the guys who actually live around wong, that can't be too rough for practice..

[qwazy]

i talked to daigo last night while he was beastin' in a3.

i asked him if he was goin' to evolution.

all he did was smile and shake his head 'no'.

:(

[Sage]

Originally posted by qwazy
i talked to daigo last night while he was beastin' in a3.

i asked him if he was goin' to evolution.

all he did was smile and shake his head 'no'.

:(

That sucks, i hope other japs make it there.

[ShadowKnife]

Originally posted by Sage


That sucks, i hope other japs make it there.

I hope you make it man. Won't be the same without you.

[AMinorThreat]

Nestor getting 5th!!!!



P.S. If I wanted to get zebra cakes at evo where would i be able to access them. Also I would be buying them in mass amounts and not willing to share. Thank you..

[ruiN-]

Originally posted by qwazy
i talked to daigo last night while he was beastin' in a3.

i asked him if he was goin' to evolution.

all he did was smile and shake his head 'no'.

:(


you know daigo?

[ruiN-]

Originally posted by MiXuP2.1


I guess thats the funny part, u don't understand it's not just wong anymore on Ec

*shrugs*

We're just slept on even though we've been playing constantly.

And for the guys who actually live around wong, that can't be too rough for practice..


u know wha man im gona give it up that is true i was sleeping =/ right now i do view EC over WC in mvc2 maybe even cvs2?

ricky i think is EC and sanford/Wong are fucking good i wish there could be a friendly team EC vs WC but yea right now i think EC is alittler high i give it up =)

and props on that tourney beating soo thats my nigga hes ruff if u can take him your no joke

[qwazy]

Originally posted by ruin-



you know daigo?

i dont know him, but i talked to him a bit last wed. at more.

[sanford kelly]

mvc2 at evo players to watch for justin/soo/shadyk/genghis/josh wigfall/nismor/pottor/david lee/rowtron/kuan/x/ricky ortiz/sin/mike mixon(mixup).

ok mvc2 justins winning again UNLESS me, combofiend,row or david lee get another crack at him we have to make it to justin but other than that JUSTINS WINNING FREE.

CVS2 is up IN THE AIR bas lost to justin wong at evo even tho he beat justin in the rematch wong still beat him so bas imo is up in the air .
choi imo will do well until he runs into the japs or gee-o.
ricky will do well until he fights choi or ino I think he will beat bas.
people sleep on justin in cvs2 hes mad good.
brian tyson is also hella good so hes also a threat.

imo final 8 will be ino/choi/ricky/bas/tyson/justin/nelson/gee-o.
winner INO.

ggxx tragic/id/blue/japs are going to be the finalis

[qwazy]

based on what i saw in japan, usa has no chance.

usa might make top 8. i'd love it if like choi, ricky (if he gets the money to the canons in time) and some underdog like tyson made it, but that's wishfull thinkin'.

[iceman212]

Originally posted by sanford kelly


imo final 8 will be ino/choi/ricky/bas/tyson/justin/nelson/gee-o.
winner INO.

ggxx tragic/id/blue/japs are going to be the finalis


bas and ino for finals:ino will win

ggxx:id and japs for finals:japs will win

[Ratio1BeatDown]

In regard to Ricky going down as easy as people are saying here I find it unlikely. I find it really hard to picture Ricky being "ate" up in Cvs2 like people are saying by the japs.

- On a less serious note I just got my plane ticket, and Im bringing some serious 3rd strike players with me :)

- see yall there

Roger W

[AiRiC]

Everyone watch for GREATFORCE at evo...for MVC2 because he going to end up winning the thing :mad: :D

[shockwave]

i talked to daigo last night while he was beastin' in a3.

i asked him if he was goin' to evolution.

all he did was smile and shake his head 'no'.

what are the chances of bringing daigo to usa? is there any chance at all? what if usa paid for his ticket? would he go? if say 1000 srk members donated like $1.00 to bring daigo to usa, could it happen? wouldn't attendance increase if daigo showed up? hell have some money matches like "pay $5.00 to battle daigo at evo" or something -- people would i think. some1 put a poll up to see if this would be possible. bring daigo to USA.

[qwazy]

this is what i think;

if daigo has said no all this time to people like kuni, then he's probably not gonna' come.

really, it's not like he's missing out if he doesnt come. he's one of the best in the world, he can play others just as good if not better than him without spending thousands to get there. playing american players probably isnt something that's tops on his priority list.

you can tell by his attitude and whatnot that he's not gonna' lose sleep over not coming to evolution, if he doesnt.

to me, this sounds like it would be sort of publicity stunt for daigo to show up at evolution.

maybe if he joined empire arcadia they'd pay for his trip. :sweat:

[FMJaguar]

Originally posted by shockwave
what are the chances of bringing daigo to usa? is there any chance at all? what if usa paid for his ticket? would he go? if say 1000 srk members donated like $1.00 to bring daigo to usa, could it happen? wouldn't attendance increase if daigo showed up? hell have some money matches like "pay $5.00 to battle daigo at evo" or something -- people would i think. some1 put a poll up to see if this would be possible. bring daigo to USA.

I'd rather send more EC people to EVO (to see if their being 'slept on' or not) or pay off ricky's debt (in exchange for some srk involvement? how to place on EC and WC by Ricky O? could happen). IMO it's not a good investment to spend so much on a single player that are just going to be here for one tournament as opposed to several of our own players that are (or would be) willing to stay and help. Maybe we can teach daigo how to hustle SF style and he can just earn the ticket money himself :). Not to say we shouldnt spend any money on bringing in international competition, just that this specific request gives me a bad vibe.

[shockwave]

if daigo has said no all this time to people like kuni, then he's probably not gonna' come.

really, it's not like he's missing out if he doesnt come. he's one of the best in the world, he can play others just as good if not better than him without spending thousands to get there. playing american players probably isnt something that's tops on his priority list.

you can tell by his attitude and whatnot that he's not gonna' lose sleep over not coming to evolution, if he doesnt.

to me, this sounds like it would be sort of publicity stunt for daigo to show up at evolution.

i'm under the impression that the jpn players are paying their own way. are you telling me that if some1 paid for your trip to attend an event, where you would basically be the main attraction, you would decline? i heard daigo is quite shy/antisocial, but if competition/money is a good motivation, i don't see why he wouldn't go. granted, paying your own way and winning is never truely guaranteed (still a gamble). especially with many talented jpn/usa/etc attending.

i don't see any other arguement to the contrary. if you live in usa, are you telling me if some1 offered to pay for your trip to attend & compete in sbo next yr in japn, you would pass on that?

if you or any1 truely speaks with daigo, ask him: if his trip was paid for, if he'd attend evo. i think the last/only time he went to usa for a3 championships, he was sponsored and accommodated.


I'd rather send more EC people to EVO (to see if their being 'slept on' or not) or pay off ricky's debt (in exchange for some srk involvement? how to place on EC and WC by Ricky O? could happen). IMO it's not a good investment to spend so much on a single player that are just going to be here for one tournament as opposed to several of our own players that are (or would be) willing to stay and help. Maybe we can teach daigo how to hustle SF style and he can just earn the ticket money himself . Not to say we shouldnt spend any money on bringing in international competition, just that this specific request gives me a bad vibe.

imo, i think more people would rather see foreign comp than local comp. also, the best form ec are already going i thought (justin, sanford, ricky -last i heard was going, and friends). i doubt any1 form that region is truely slept on. there have been major tourneys throughout usa already and they have had the chance to prove themselves. is there any new player(s) emerging from ec that can challenge NY/ctf that hasn't made an impact yet? daigo is considered 1 of the best, are you telling me attendance wouldn't go up if he was at evo? i think srk definitely wants to make a profit on this event and its good in general as far as competition and the gaming scene.

[TheGreaterForce]

Originally posted by AiRiC
Everyone watch for GREATFORCE at evo...for MVC2 because he going to end up winning the thing :mad: :D


LOL OH SHIT!
lol, thanks, hey airic arent u the same airic that flew to japan and took out all the japanese players in CVS2??

[FMJaguar]

i'm under the impression that the jpn players are paying their own way. are you telling me that if some1 paid for your trip to attend an event

The question is not 'would i go if someone paid', the question is 'should i help pay for someone to go'. To parallel, if we send daigo to evo, does that mean justin should ask wc to pay for his ticket? should cali ask EC to pay for some ECC tix? Thats just not the way it should work IMO, Surely with arcadia and 5345243653 players in japan he can find an alternate outlet. We can't even pay for premium memberships!


i don't see why he wouldn't go. granted, paying your own way and winning is never truely guaranteed (still a gamble).

Well he'd do well if not win 2-3 games, but the other japanese players are taking the same chance, and numbers say if more than 2-3 go, they all won't be placing, so what about them?


i don't see any other arguement to the contrary. if you live in usa, are you telling me if some1 offered to pay for your trip to attend & compete in sbo next yr in japn, you would pass on that?

Our players paid for SBO (IIRC) and none of them won anything, but they all said it was still worth it. I appreciate people making accomodations for other players through sticks and cabs and whatever, but this is stretching it.


I think the last/only time he went to usa for a3 championships, he was sponsored and accommodated.

And now A3 isn't even on apex lol.

I think by this point whoever is going to go, is already going. I can't see people 'holding out' for daigo, "no no, not ino, not ohnuki, it's daigo, or i don't go'. I think the fact that international players are coming helps, it's inaccurate to say that people are going to all come just to see him, maybe if it was confirmed 6 months ago and planned for, not 1 month.

What would be ironic is if people get together the funds to pay for daigo while one of our best shots to beat japan remains banned at 2/3's the price.

Lets put something together and convince japan to add mvc2 to sbo and send justin or something that would actually be fun and new. Start another N Cubed type event in another region, anything really, why be so limited?

[shockwave]

Our players paid for SBO (IIRC) and none of them won anything, but they all said it was still worth it. I appreciate people making accomodations for other players through sticks and cabs and whatever, but this is stretching it.

i know our players paid their own way to attend sbo last yr. the point i was making with that statement is if some1 sponsored you to go, what excuse would you have NOT to go and wouldn't making the decision to go be easier if the money issue for the ticket wasn't a concern? the other sites like electriccancel.com have successfully raised money for their respective tourneys and in bringing international guests through this method i mentioned. they brought in jang su won - best ogre player at the time for tekken tag at ec3, and maddogjin for ec4 (tekken 4 korean champion). you yourself might not really care to see daigo battle, but the idea i brought up (1000 interested heads contribute $1 for his plane ticket, to see how good he is now vs usa and to settle "what if's".. i think there would be enough interest for something like that, and looking at the member count of srk, i think there are more than enuff members. the question is, are enuff members interested and would daigo accept a paid invitation (that's why i said put a poll up there or something).

as far as paying for a usa player to attend a US event, the point is most/all usa players have been seen in action throughout the different regional/major tourneys. a plane ticket from ny to cali is far less than a plane ticket from jpn to usa, and it's about bringing in some1 who isn't on the national radar. (about your idea of donating money to send justin to sbo if mvc was considered, falls into the same point im trying to get across.)

are you telling me the evo dvd wouldnt sell a little bit more if daigo was on it battling the best from usa?

[Alphastorm]

I'm not sure if you are arguing the same points here. Wouldn't the japs want to see justin in action before they decide to contribute money for his ticket to japan? I would say they wouldn't. But in the USA, there are alot of players who would want to see Daigo in action. So you can't compare Daigo with Justin. It's just not the same.


Originally posted by shockwave
are you telling me the evo dvd wouldnt sell a little bit more if daigo was on it battling the best from usa?

Probably not since there are lots of japs competing already. You might get a few Daigo fan boys to buy it but that's not enough to make any difference in dvd sales.

[pyrolee]

Kuni said Daigo's not coming because he is beginning to attend college and will be very busy this summer.

[FMJaguar]

Originally posted by pyrolee
Kuni said Daigo's not coming because he is beginning to attend college and will be very busy this summer.

Sorry to hear, maybe he can transfer sometime, penn state is a fine university for people into college and all =P.

[MistaJuJu]

I don't know if this has been said already or whatever, but in the finals there should be 3 arcade set-ups, us vs us, jap vs us, jap vs jap. I think it saves time and would allow the japanese people to come down and play with their machines in the finals. All they have to do is survive the american joysticks in the opening rounds. Just a thought.

[Judgment Day]

Reviving this topic...And, ladies and gentlemen, I actually have a Marvel question:


Originally posted by sanford kelly
ok mvc2 justins winning again UNLESS me, combofiend,row or david lee get another crack at him we have to make it to justin but other than that JUSTINS WINNING FREE.


Why up until this point has no one mentioned Combofiend? The last I heard, he was in the service, but his skill in the game can't be that out of whack to be given the cold shoulder. Plus, it looks like he did sign up for this year's Evo Tourney.

I'm not keen on the Marvel scene, but can someone tell me what's up on their opinion on Combofiend this year on the MvC2 tournament if he really does attend?

Never count out someone who's 'fiending'.

[Deathstroke]

Tokido SAN!! :cool:

[KnowSkillz]

since kuni put up the confirmation list:

3s KO
Cvs2 Daigo
GGXX Daigo

[bakemono]

My hopes are:

3s: K.O.
CvS2: BAS
GGXX: Daigo

Don't ask me why.

[Yansoma]

I'm not to sure that Daigo can beat Ino or BAS...........who knows Ricky could take em all.

[hayato15]

I was looking at the tournament results thread and I saw this:

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35635

Old members of srk must remember this kdcmarvel guy. And I have heard he is coming to EVO
What I want to say is that, in my opinion , he is the favorite to MvC2 EVO this year.

You might be surprised, but let me explain where am I coming from:

Like a month after B4 kdcmarvel was the first to develop the Storm/Sentinel/Cable team concept. In US, people were starting to place in tourneys with Cable/Storm/Cyclops and nobody used Sentinel as an assist. KDC not only developed the team, but he explained at srk all the best tactics of it. He clearly explained how Storm could do a 100% combo out of a VC( CAHVB, unknown at the time, or also unknown CHSF against close attacks), out of a throw(into drones into storm/sent combo, tactic that US started using around B5) , out of a GB and, of course, out of a hit. Even cable could do throw, drones, launcher, ahvb, hail, hsf, launch to the kill and stuff like that…
I thought the team was amazing, but since US top players didn´t use it I figured it wasn´t really compatible( boy, was I wrong). Almost a year later, storm/sent/x start dominating and US players got into most of the “old” techniques from KDC.

He posted a lot more stuff. I remember him correcting(in a very gentle way) a lot of Viscant´s posts(Viscant was srk´s king at the time) about MvC1 and 2. I printed all his posts, with things like wavedashes, reverse wavedashes, throw angles and all kinds of advanced stuff, way before it became common knowledge at srk. Still, the only famous players that I saw recognize his knowledge and his pioneer status were MT and Spiderdan.

On my view, based on his postings, KDC was the very favorite to B5, since his information was so much ahead US, but he didn´t came to it. Now, after seeing these results, I wonder if he kept playing and improving his game all this time. If he kept, than he is hands down my favorite to Evo this year.

International players usually don´t get the recognition they deserve, asides from Japan. The first player to talk about MvC´s TT at srk was KDC. Then, MT came and explained it inch by inch, getting credit as the best MvC1 player ever. For people who don´t remember, MT is the responsible for US avoiding RC banning at CvS2, even not being a player of that game. A single post from him changed everything(he barely called us chickens, everybody freaked out and started learning it).

I think we must pay attention to foreign players at EVO this year. I am sure KDC will prove to be a very hard contender for Justin and the others, and I am convinced we will have surprises in at least one of the capcom games(since for some others we have no idea who the favorite is) .

[FMJaguar]

People were using those teams and talking about it, they just got beat by better players using different teams, so the masses didn't pay attention. It's hard to talk about gameplay on these forums tho, kdc found a way to connect with people, but it's not like he was the only one with ideas. Hell half the stuff people think was undiscovered in mvc2 were already in other marvel games in some capacity anyway.

Also MT didn't change a lot with his post about RC, it was an unenforcable ban, and the game is still better without it, it's just that enforcing a ban would be too much work, and we really don't care enough about CvS2 (rc or no rc version) to ban it.

I hope this guy does well, but the point i wanted to make is that it's up to the player to show he's the real deal at evo, not for us to equate SRK posts with tournament skill especially when we have our own champion that hasn't lost a tournament in *years*.

[beta]

Originally posted by FMJaguar
People were using those teams and talking about it, they just got beat by better players using different teams, so the masses didn't pay attention. It's hard to talk about gameplay on these forums tho, kdc found a way to connect with people, but it's not like he was the only one with ideas. Hell half the stuff people think was undiscovered in mvc2 were already in other marvel games in some capacity anyway.

Also MT didn't change a lot with his post about RC, it was an unenforcable ban, and the game is still better without it, it's just that enforcing a ban would be too much work, and we really don't care enough about CvS2 (rc or no rc version) to ban it.

I hope this guy does well, but the point i wanted to make is that it's up to the player to show he's the real deal at evo, not for us to equate SRK posts with tournament skill especially when we have our own champion that hasn't lost a tournament in *years*.

That´s a very intelligent post. I think kdc was really ahead when it concerns game knowledge, and maybe one of the reasons was that he could transfer very fast his MvC1 knowledge to the new game. Me and my friends made a little bet yesterday for Evo, and my choice was kdc. I don´t know if I´ll win the bet, but it sure would be interesting to see someone "new" taking the top spot, maybe with a very different style.

This thing about knowledge from previous games is a very important point IMO. Each of Mt´s posts was a MvC2´s fount of wisdow, but he barely played the game. It´s just that he knew very well how to use wavedashes, sj cancels, guard breaks, the TT and all kinds of advanced stuff from MvC1. His engine skills would probably allow him to take many MvC2 players without playing the game too much(I heard he never lost to Magneto). That´s why some new players get so good at older games like ST so fast. They know how to think about the game, and they know how to explore the engine.

Thinking about the game is also a very important skill. Why it took months to see GBs being used consistently at MvC2? Because most players never really stopped to think about it. Most things brought to us by players like Mt, Kdc and Viscant seems easy to figure it out after we learn it, but we never do.

I think I totally escaped from the topic here, but I am just sharing some of my opinions. If we start to think like these top players, we´ll get better.