can any snk characters be competitive with the top tier?

[stiffy]

Whenever I hear about the top tiers in this game, its always Sagat, Blanka, and Cammy possibly followed by Bison, Vega, and maybe A-Sakura (and now Guile?). I'm getting the impression that if you want to be competitive at this game at even a fairly high level of play, you need to pick Capcom characters. Is that how it is, or are there some snk characters that have been actually been used to win tournaments every now and then? I've heard that Geese is pretty good (for an SNK character) and I've been trying to learn him. Are there any other noteworthy SNK characters? I like to pick those guys but at the same time, it would be comforting to know that someone had some success with some of them.

[Gunter]

Well let's see... Hibiki is good in A and N for sure, possibly K. Kyo is good in low jump grooves. Iori is good in N, C, and A. Yamazaki is good in C. Geese is good in K and A (actually, pretty much any groove). Todo is good in A. Rock is good in K.

There's a bunch more that are arguable. In Japan I've seen insane Yuris and Joes. But at the scrubby American level, the best are probably the ones above.

[Burghy]

What Gunter Says.

Yamazaki and Geese are probably the easiest in terms of time needed to get to a competitve level.

[UCRJesse]

Originally posted by stiffy
Whenever I hear about the top tiers in this game, its always Sagat, Blanka, and Cammy possibly followed by Bison, Vega, and maybe A-Sakura (and now Guile?). I'm getting the impression that if you want to be competitive at this game at even a fairly high level of play, you need to pick Capcom characters. Is that how it is, or are there some snk characters that have been actually been used to win tournaments every now and then? I've heard that Geese is pretty good (for an SNK character) and I've been trying to learn him. Are there any other noteworthy SNK characters? I like to pick those guys but at the same time, it would be comforting to know that someone had some success with some of them.

Rock can be decent... i like him in K, C, and P grooves in that order... he's hard to learn properly

Hibiki is good against blanka

Geese can guard crush you really fast and deal a shitload of damage with or without super, his crossup is too good, and a lvl 3 raging storm will kill almost any character.

kyo can do a lot of damage with his bnb's and has a really good mixup game on wakeup... low jump down fierce and low jump straight up roundhouse are really good.

iori is a beast... once you get in to the right zone you can rush the shit out of people with iori

yamazaki can kick you in the face

nakoruru, haohmaru in p groove is dope, athena, joe, chang, mai, rugal, and terry are all good as well

[kcxj]

I think Iori is a low tier piece of shit. Yes, his CC's are very stylish and difficult, but why would I want to do 7700 damage at most when I can just do braindead DP's with Sakura over and over again for 9000+ everytime?

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BAS's method of reasoning (just my assumption):

Hey, I really like Akuma. I'm going to use him in A-groove. (*Fights Blanka doing RC Balls over and over*)

Ok, Akuma is horrible. Iori is way cooler. (*Fights Honda doing RC headbutts over and over*)

Fuck that, I'm using Blanka from now on :lol:.
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Any character that can't easily deal with RC Honda or Blanka is not even worth using as far as I'm concerned. SNK characters ---> CVS Value cola as opposed to Pepsi/Coke, Shop Rite brand snack cakes as opposed to Zebra Cakes.

In order from top to bottom, I think Kyo, Hibiki, Geese, Yamazaki, Raiden, Yuri are the best SNK charcters. Yes, I would rather use C/A Yuri than any groove Iori.

[Gunter]

Originally posted by kcxj
I think Iori is a low tier piece of shit. Yes, his CC's are [snip]

Umm... Iori's best groove is N. Undoubtedly. Request to play Buktooth first round at Evolution and if you can walk away saying Iori is a low tier piece of shit, I'll buy you a cookie.

[NinjMai]

Athena in her N groove is a great force in her own right. That annoying crouching fierce can just about stop any attempts for a poking game since that move has an overexaggerated amount of priority. Her Phoenix Fang Arrow takes off such a chunk of block damage...

Yuri and Mai can also hold their own, just like Rock, Terry, and especially Nakoruru. It all depends on the person...In the right hands, anyone can be a lethal weapon.

[50mOrEcEnTz]

dayum...i lost a lil respect for kcxj when he said that...come on....iori a low tier piece of shit. i'll be happy to say he is middle tier, but yuri>iori....i guess so:confused: :rolleyes:

[pain]

I'd say Mai is a very solid character, but not many people know about her. Geese and Yamazaki are obviously two of the top SNK characters.... About Iori, I'd rank Iori over Kyo. Then there's Nak and Todo..... After that the characters are average.

[Gamma Ray]

TERRY:mad: ! R. Tackle traps forever!!!!

[jaky]

i think kyo's ground game is better then iori's, and makoto's
p-kyo is hella crazy!!:D

[kcxj]

If anybody wants to teach me how to play a high level A-Iori (and actually win consistently) I'd be more than willing to learn. Otherwise, I've given up on that character already :bluu:.

p.s. I suck too much to use N-groove. Also, I'll play Buk in casual for sure, but I'm no idiot... don't want to play him in tourney until I have to (his underbite intimidates me).

[50mOrEcEnTz]

Originally posted by kcxj
If anybody wants to teach me how to play a high level A-Iori (and actually win consistently) I'd be more than willing to learn. Otherwise, I've given up on that character already :bluu:.

p.s. I suck too much to use N-groove. Also, I'll play Buk in casual for sure, but I'm no idiot... don't want to play him in tourney until I have to (his underbite intimidates me).

i ain't sayin i would use him over some other people...i just think he is better than piece of shit, hehe.

my friend went up to mass. for mtn. bike racing, i wish i coulda gone up to that area n played you in CvS2. Nobody really likes playin in the south.

SNK characters...hmmm....hibiki, kyo, rugal, kim and geese are the top SNK contenders...I feel like they can compeat just as good as street fighter characters for the most part.

[stiffy]

Well it is nice to know that while there are no SNK characters actually IN the top tier, there are a handful that can at least hang with the main capcom guys. I'd like to pick up Geese but I can't do a raising storm to save my life so maybe Kyo would be better for me...

...What's this about Yuri actually being a pretty high-ranked character?? All this time I thought she was a joke character (e.g. Dan)! So Yuri is better than Ryo? Can someone explain this?

[Juggy]

Um, I was DAMN convinced that Yamazaki N-groove was top tier... I had the impression this was well known... O_O?

[PokesYOU]

I've seen really dirty RC Vices.

[GF2]

Iori's a very good offensive character. He's not as good as Kyo, but he isn't ranked that much behind him either. How could anyone say he's low-tier? If someone's doing RC Blanka Balls and Honda Headbutts, you just RC back!

Rugal's one of my main characters, and I feel he's one of the most underestimated in the US. He's not top-tier, but he's got so many damn ways of setting up his "off-the-wall" combos that deal 90% damage, more or less.

Chang's a good mid-tier character, too. In fact, Viscant even won a tournament with him. You just need to know how to RC Choi and the spinning ball, and how to use his command grab properly.

EDIT- Oh yeah, don't forget Joe. Now that guy is solid. Can't ignore that sick TK priority.

[Rave]

Hmm, where does Benimaru fit in these tiers?

[Orochi_Shoto]

Yuri can deal with Sagat really well IMO... maybe mine is insane? RC Blanka still needs to be cured though.

Kyo's ground game may be a bit better, ah fug it, Buktooh's thread on stuff he learned from Japan had the discussion on why iori is better... and he is better. :p Besides, why play as a karate kid when you can be a pimp!? Gunter, can you explain why N-Iori is better than A-Iori? I must've missed that whole decision. N-Iori IS good, but psychologically he can't be as good as A. He doesn't really need the little extra mobility. I dunno.

Anyways, I'm all for people willing to pick up Yuri and play her seriously. I'm really poud of my Yuri. I should make plans for a trip to Japan soon...

[GF2]

So Iori's better than Kyo... again? I know Buktooth stated they're both good rushing characters for their own reasons, but he said that? Is that what everyone in Japan thinks? Because Iori hasn't been up on anyone's second-tier listings here for a while now. That's really good to hear; now we have still one popular SNK character up there to shut the fanboys up. :lol:

About N-Iori,.... I dunno, maybe that extra mobility allows him to keep the pressure on more than A? That's why I was contemplating making the switch to N for a while now, since I remembered it had counter movement. "Let's see you DP CC on my powered Rugal now, Sak! Hah!"

[kcxj]

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz

my friend went up to mass. for mtn. bike racing, i wish i coulda gone up to that area n played you in CvS2. Nobody really likes playin in the south.


What are you talking about? You have Don Mac and ShinBlanka to do roll, level 2 anytime you want to play! :lol:



Originally posted by Orochi_Shoto
Besides, why play as a karate kid when you can be a pimp!? Gunter, can you explain why N-Iori is better than A-Iori?

Because N-Iori can actually do something about Blanka doing RC balls over and over (que SNK fanboy telling me to "watch the Fuck Blanka video!!" any minute now). That's the same reason I like Yuri better than non-run Iori. She doesn't have to sit there and block all day. She can guard crush just as well by doing blocked CC DP's repeatedly too. Plus, she counters Sagat. The only bad thing about her is she does below average damage on literally everything.

Iori's DP hits so slow, you can just counter DP him everytime he gets close to you to randomly activate etc... Yuri has a better s.HK too (no, low hitting, high hitting bs). I stand by my opinion, Yuri is a better C/A character. Iori ---> low tier. Stylish (I use him myself) but low tier... :bluu:

[Gunter]

Originally posted by PokesYOU
I've seen really dirty RC Vices.

Me too. I saw at least 3 during the first couple of days here in Japan. She seems to be the new experimental A character. CRAZY.

[Gunter]

Originally posted by kcxj
Iori's DP hits so slow, you can just counter DP him everytime he gets close to you to randomly activate etc...

If you are randomly activating with Iori, you are playing him wrong. He should be anti-air as first option, combo off of command grab as second option, activate and grab/roll as third option, with GC stuck in there somewhere depending on the situation. But even against P and K, his activations shouldn't be RANDOM.

[white shadow]

Originally posted by GF2
[BRugal's one of my main characters, and I feel he's one of the most underestimated in the US. He's not top-tier, but he's got so many damn ways of setting up his "off-the-wall" combos that deal 90% damage, more or less.
[/B]

Yep, Rugal is probably my favorite and best character in CVS2. I'm actually surprised that no one uses him. He's versatile, takes the 2nd best damage in the game, has 5 great AA moves (S.Hk, S.Mp, Genocide Cutter, LV.3 Gigantic Pressure, and to some extent Kaiser Wave), and the has a 2 supers with one of the highest damage points in the game (6800 & 5800)!!!

Not to mention his God Press does as much as some LV.1 supers, can cancel into his Genocide Heaven or CC, and can grab a Blanka out of his Blanka Ball in midair!!!:eek: He has 2 projectiles one being the Kaiser Wave is half the size of the screen(roughly the size of a Ryo proj. Super) and his Reppuken has one of the most miniscule recovery time for a proj. in game as good as Guiles IM:o.

Heck with this C-Groove combo you pretty much won the match: J.HK, S.FP, God Press, LV.2 Genocide Cutter, Dark Smash, LV.1 Genocide Cutter. It does 12000 damage, as much as some ratio 1 characters life bars!!!

In N-Goove you have J.HK, S.FP, Gigantic Pressure, LV.1 Genocide Heaven. 11000+ damage right there.

In K-Groove just do the N-Groove combo without Genocide Heaven and like I said before you pretty much won the match. A Raged Gigantic Pressure does a whopping 7480 damage!!!

In short, Rugal is a formidable character; in fact I'm glad few people pick him cuz I'd hate to fight a good opponents Rugal.:p

C-Groove Cammy/ Ryu/ Rugal2 4 LIFE!!!:D

[Gwai Lo ½]

Originally posted by Gunter


Me too. I saw at least 3 during the first couple of days here in Japan. She seems to be the new experimental A character. CRAZY.

Vice is so stylish.. i tried to use her in A... but i sucks :bluu:

[Yansoma]

I don't know what some of you are talking about. N Iori is probably the BEST option you have for fighting top tiers. Of course you have to practice, but its a definite. A Mai is also a very good character against top tiers.

[Dnut]

Originally posted by GF2
Just don't depend too much on flying off walls with Mai as Ricky did at the last Nwepark tourney, and you'll do fine.

Gosh, I can't believe those guys fell for that.

GF2- Are you trying to imply that you would of done better against Ricky's runaway Mai? From that statement you just posted, you might cause some drama against youself.

What Ricky Ortiz did with Mai flying off the wall wasnt a bait or anything. There was nothing to fall for. It was a runaway tactic, pure and simple.

Ricky had more life than the opponent's A-Balrog(no meter). So what Ricky did was stayed back waiting for you to come over so that he can fly off the wall to the other side of the screen. Rinse and repeat. He did this until time ran out. If you really think about it, there wasnt much you can do trying to catch a runaway Mai especially when its Ricky's Mai.

Only the first twenty seconds was some fighting action, and the remaining portion of the match was all runaway. Really, there was NOOO contact for a very big portion of the fight. Once in a while Ricky would throw out a c.HK, and then it was back to flying away trying to avoid any contact against Balrog. It was the most boring match I've even seen in a tournament.

[GF2]

Dude, runaway Mai is SO not unstoppable for Balrog, or any charge character. I don't care whose Mai it is; that shit can get you killed. All you have to do with Rog to counter her is sit back and charge D/B, building up meter and moving in with rolls, and when she jumps off the wall and dives, press HK when you turn around so you can dash sweep her! It surprised me to see Ricky getting away with that so many consecutive times, just by knowing this. As far as I remember, I didn't see anyone attempt to do this against him.

And yes, I know it's just a runaway tactic, but to do it efficiently, you have to pursuade people to move in, correct? That's exactly what Ricky was making that Balrog do. Had he known to charge, things could've been a little different and less boring. That's all I'm trying to imply. It's not my intention to start any drama, but I'll retract that earlier statement anyway.

[white shadow]

Originally posted by GF2
Dude, runaway Mai is SO not unstoppable for Balrog, or any charge character. I don't care whose Mai it is; that shit can get you killed. All you have to do with Rog to counter her is sit back and charge D/B, building up meter and moving in with rolls, and when she jumps off the wall and dives, press HK when you turn around so you can dash sweep her! It surprised me to see Ricky getting away with that so many consecutive times, just by knowing this. As far as I remember, I didn't see anyone attempt to do this against him.

And yes, I know it's just a runaway tactic, but to do it efficiently, you have to pursuade people to move in, correct? That's exactly what Ricky was making that Balrog do. Had he known to charge, things could've been a little different and less boring. That's all I'm trying to imply. It's not my intention to start any drama, but I'll retract that earlier statement anyway.

Balrog has no jumping normals that hit up and buffalo headbutt can't reach off the screen IMO there was nothing he could do. GF there is a BIG difference between watching a match and actually being in it.:) Not flaming you BTW.

[GF2]

Originally posted by white shadow


Balrog has no jumping normals that hit up and buffalo headbutt can't reach off the screen IMO there was nothing he could do. GF there is a BIG difference between watching a match and actually being in it.:) Not flaming you BTW.

You didn't read what I said. Allow me to quote myself.

All you have to do with Rog to counter her is sit back and charge D/B, building up meter and moving in with rolls, and when she jumps off the wall and dives, press HK when you turn around so you can dash sweep her!

When you charge back facing one direction, you don't have to move the joystick to complete the motion when Mai flies over your head, because the instant you turn to face the other direction, you're immediately switching to the forward position, thus completing the motion. All you need to do is hit HK to do the dash sweep from that point and hit her.

And you're telling me that Balrog player couldn't do just that?

*No offense taken*

[kcxj]

Balrog can whiff d.MP (just like every other single character in the game) to build meter.

If Ricky's playing Mai, you can bet he's not playing for real then. She plays just like Vega, only not as good. And she can fly too. Oh wait, nevermind. In that case, she's too good... I'd better just be cool (and a top tier srk.com forums player) by walking off the machine complaining how CvS2 sucks then.

[Orochi_Shoto]

Originally posted by Yansoma
A Mai is also a very good character against top tiers.

This is funny because I dropped A-Mai for A-Yuri. A-Mai is really good, but Yuri just has sooooooooo much more utility, and a better CC list.

[Gwai Lo ½]

a mai owns... she's so sexy

[GF2]

Timing on the turnaround dashes difficult? Lol, that's a good one. If you've been charging like you're supposed to, then Mai shouldn't be diving over you AT ALL. Being able to alternate the speed and angle of the dive means jack. None of them are safe. Hell, even the Fierce dive, which covers the most distance at the fastest speed, can be hit by a walk-up s.fierce! No matter which one she uses, you're not ever going to lose your charge. There's no excuse for it. And I'm sorry, but whoever misses her with any of Balrog's dashes sucks. It shouldn't even take more than a half-hour of practice to get it down right.

So once Mai sees that diving is a big no-no, she'll have to swallow it up and start fighting you. Regardless, who the fuck's going to let you build meter by mashing c.MP?

And you're right about the 3K charge (it's actually two). Not only would Ricky be able to see you're holding the buttons, but it's one of two specials Balrog has that wouldn't work on a runaway Mai. EDIT- Aw, what am I saying? "Runaway" Mai practically doesn't exist.

[50mOrEcEnTz]

Originally posted by kcxj
Balrog can whiff d.MP (just like every other single character in the game) to build meter.


I haven't seen this match but this seems like the logical thing to do huh? I mean I am sure it is different playing against it but I doubt Balrog has no options....at any rate...who plays with fuckin balrog, they deserved to lose. [i am not sayin he isn't playable...im sayin i juss think he is shit]

[jreinert13]

Yamazaki is the best SNK character imo. I don't know why I never hear too much about P Yamazaki...

Yamazaki - C, P, K
Geese - P, K, A
Mai - A
Hibiki - A, N, K, P
Terry - P
Rugal - C

are all very strong and capable characters.

[Gwai Lo ½]

Originally posted by GF2
Hell, even the Fierce dive, which covers the most distance at the fastest speed, can be hit by a walk-up s.fierce!

what, you think they are going to do it when you are half screen?

[GF2]

Originally posted by Gwai Lo ½


what, you think they are going to do it when you are half screen?

Of course not. But, if they think you don't know what to do about it? Maybe.

[Gwai Lo ½]

Originally posted by GF2


Of course not. But, if they think you don't know what to do about it? Maybe.

And that would do what? put you at the same distance from them that you were before... i doubt that...

[GF2]

Look, I was paying attention. So the 'maybe' I threw in doesn't apply to Ricky's Mai. That's fine. Because I didn't say anything about Ricky, just any Mai player in general. Point was, as unlikely as you might believe, it's happened before and it CAN happen. I wouldn't have made note of it otherwise, but now I digress.

Originally posted by Gwai Lo ½


And that would do what? put you at the same distance from them that you were before... i doubt that...

If it happens once, then you can be sure they won't do it again, right? This scenario isn't so far off; everybody makes mistakes. I see people doing things they shouldn't when someone has full meter.

[Orochi_Shoto]

Originally posted by jreinert13
Yamazaki is the best SNK character imo. I don't know why I never hear too much about P Yamazaki...

Yamazaki - C, P, K
Geese - P, K, A
Mai - A
Hibiki - A, N, K, P
Terry - P
Rugal - C

are all very strong and capable characters.

add K-Terry

Yamazaki may very well be the best SNK character, but a lot of people just don't like him. I would have to agree that he probably is the best though.

[Kid Lee]

I'm sorry, but am I the only person who plays Kim now??? When I started playing CVS2, Kim was being played by hella fools. Oliver was tricky as hell with Kim, and those guys out in Milpitas loved him for some reason. Now I look at this thread and only one person has mentioned Kim, and that guy didn't provide any argument for him. I'm not gonna take the time to post the Korean technology, but if you want to see Kim (in K or C-Groove, anyway) come to Sunnyvale. He ain't top tier, but he's tech for now.

[white shadow]

Don't forget C-Terry which is his best IM:o. Kim seemed interesting at first, but after I saw that NONE of his normals can beat Sagat's Fierces and J.RK with his anti-air S.HK I gave up on him.:(

[Gwai Lo ½]

Originally posted by white shadow
Don't forget C-Terry which is his best IM:o. Kim seemed interesting at first, but after I saw that NONE of his normals can beat Sagat's Fierces and J.RK with his anti-air S.HK I gave up on him.:(

Kim can be pretty crazy... once again i give props to final showdown :D still cant forget watchin him in montreal..... i think terry's grooves are as follows: p,c,a ... but that's just me...

anyway... no more drunken posting..

[Kid Lee]

Standing forward is anti-air for anyone's jumping anything, it's all about the timing. Crouching Fierce too, as well as jumping Fierce and Jumping forward. Kim's normals are great anti-air if you learn how to use them. Sagat's fierce gets tapped by standing short or standing jab. You can cresent kick after he sticks out a fierce, or standing roundhouse into stance kicks if he sticks out a fierce. Kim has a lot of good moves and combos. Don't give up on the Korean Beast yet.

[gawsome]

Pretty much every character bar 3 can be competitive with top tier if you're willing to put in the time and effort. Obviously its easier to learn some characters, and obviously its easier with some but you can compete.

And how about Yama, Kyo, Iori, A-Todo, Geese (considered top tier in Japan?), Hibiki can all be played competitively......and im gonna go out on a limb and say that Rock is cool as well - my SNK character of choice.

[white shadow]

Originally posted by Kid Lee
Standing forward is anti-air for anyone's jumping anything, it's all about the timing. Crouching Fierce too, as well as jumping Fierce and Jumping forward. Kim's normals are great anti-air if you learn how to use them. Sagat's fierce gets tapped by standing short or standing jab. You can cresent kick after he sticks out a fierce, or standing roundhouse into stance kicks if he sticks out a fierce. Kim has a lot of good moves and combos. Don't give up on the Korean Beast yet.

OK your insightful post convinced me, I'll give him a shot. WAATAA!!!:lol:
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Gawsome: Yamazaki is considered top tier in Japan mainly for his S.RK, nonsuper combos that do 25% damage, and Serpent Slash.

Kyo for his excellent combos that can do a lot of damage and his mixup game.

A-Todo for his CC that can do 45% in chip damage and 50% actual hit damage.

Iori for his excellent pokes, roll, and combos.

Geese can counter super Nuff Said!!! :cool: Good pokes and damaging combos too. Plus Raging Storm is one of the most damaging supers in the game.

[CrimsonDisaster]

Geese also has a very good crossup.
Which, if it connects, leads to a relatively simple combo to Deadly Rave, stop at RH, c.jab, s.fierce XX forward Ja-Ei-Ken. Nearly 10000 damage.
Or a simple c.jab, s.fierce XX forward Ja-Ei-Ken off the crossup for 3000-4000 damage.

Also, I don't recall Yama remaining in the top tier...

[Thee Pink Ninja]

Zaki brings the pain. His AA super in K is dope, and he's got an arsenal of moves and some nice combos. Personally he's the only SNK character I've ever really torn into and felt comfortable with, and now he's a staple in my playing.

Terry gets props, and Geese has the ridiculous supers in C as well as a rounded set of strikes. Bottom line is, if you wanna use somebody and focus in on their strengths, and you ain't using Kyosuke, King, or the bitch with tonfas whose name I don't even remember, then you should be just fine.

Buddy of mine tore up with an Eagle / Terry / Guile (2) for a while. He's since moved on, but the team was formidable, because he pushed every character to the brink. So it goes.

[RagingStormX]

I would have to say that the best SNK characters are:

Yamazaki
Geese
Kyo
Iori
Hibiki

I wanna put Mai, Rock, and Terry up there, but the are sort of iffy. I've seen really good Rocks and Terry's, and some real good zoning Mai's. Athena has that Fierce:lol: A funny thing to me about Rugal is that his bad matches actually aren't the top tiers.

[Keyser_Soze1112]

I'm a little late about the Iori thing but idc, he owns in N period. He has a few horribly bad match ups in A Bison and some others, but other than that, hes really good. RC Rekkas own you :o.

[BloodUrien]

I use P and my stongest team right now is Blanka,Kyo,TerryR2.
The SNk side is better then the Capcom side in Chaos I'll tell you that. I really think Chang,Rugal,Geese,Iori,Terry,Yama,Joe,Nak,Yuri, Rock,and Kyo are all really good in CvS2. King,Mai,Ibiki,Athena,and Vice are not that good imo. Kyo is harder to use then Iori to me. But Kyo and Iori are main guys on my p groove teams. I need Bmanka though to bait cc activations.


Outro

[RagingStormX]

Your crazy if you think Mai, Hibiki, and Athena aren't good. Mai can zone/turtle really good. Hibiki has some of the best normals in the game and can turtle/zone also. Athena has c.fierce, nuff said. Oh yeah, she can turtle good too:lol: .

[kcxj]

Originally posted by Keyser_Soze1112
I'm a little late about the Iori thing but idc, he owns in N period. He has a few horribly bad match ups in A Bison and some others, but other than that, hes really good. RC Rekkas own you :o.

RC Rekkas lose to jump up HK. RC Rekka abuse is what gets Iori killed.

[Dark Horse]

I'll say Ryo because I'm biased, and for no reason whatsoever.

... Well, his B&Bs do ridiculous damage in K. He's good with smalljump.


I'm just bullshitting. We all know it's Yama and Geese. I missed what made Kyo so fantastic and haven't experimented with him, so can anyone point out what makes him good?

[Ouroborus]

yama is fuckin top tier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

yes, i know he dies badly to vega and doesnt do too well vs mai, rolento, nak or even balrog(kinda), but still, hes good against majority of the other characters.

sure he doesnt have no 9K+ super, but he has too much going for him. great pokes, jump ins, blocked chains, zoning game, supers, roll, RCs and damaging b&bs.

he even have a counter move to be used against RCs.

I also think Iori, Hibiki and Geese is top tier.


iori because of his damaging CCs, RCs, roll, b&bs, good pokes (c.mp,standing hk) and jump ins (crossup lk, j.hk)

hibiki cuz she is an ultra defensive turtling whore

and geese because of the sheer damage he can dish out and take. not to mention he can shred your guard meter faster a razor thru a piece of paper, powerful pokes and jump ins.

[kcxj]

Yama is a SNK scrub character. No need to be so proud that you're an expert using him. My 9 year old brother knows how to use him too.

[NinjMai]

Mai is a decent zoner, but moreso, she's also a feared counter-turtler. Her speed and somewhat improved footsie game makes her better at close-up range. Mix it in with her Windmill Demolisher (kick throw), Cro. For. Mid kick, and crouching fierce, and she can be as annoying as Athena. If they start figuring you out at close-up, do her light charged Musasabi no Mai and reel to a safe distance.

King is so underrated in this version. I think that one of the lessons I've learned in playing CvS2 is NOT, and I do mean NOT, to underestimate a good King. She has some good air-to-air hits, decent footsie close-up stuff, and her Trap Shot was granted good priority. She builds up supers as fast as Morrigan as an added perk. I'm not saying she's overly great, but there's more to her than how she appears.

I have an objection toward Hibiki being a good turtler. IMO, a good Mai or Maki can stop even some of the better turtlers in the game. Just depends on how good of priority the moves of a character have. Hibiki does have her defense and her damaging supers, but all in all, I think that's all she has. Nakoruru could have a better shot at being top in the same style as Hibiki because Nak has her Annu Matsube and Lela Matsube.

Those are my two cents.

-NinjMai

[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by kcxj
Yama is a SNK scrub character. No need to be so proud that you're an expert using him. My 9 year old brother knows how to use him too.

in other words, yama is the cammy of snk.

[BloodUrien]

Originally posted by RagingStormX
Your crazy if you think Mai, Hibiki, and Athena aren't good. Mai can zone/turtle really good. Hibiki has some of the best normals in the game and can turtle/zone also. Athena has c.fierce, nuff said. Oh yeah, she can turtle good too:lol: . I'm only going off a personal experience with this thats all. I've done well with Mai and Hibiki but I have to work too hard for the win. I have not seen a good Athena anywhere. Arturo was using her at MWC in casual but she got beatdown. I still think they are not that good compared to the rest of the SNK guys I mentioned earlier. I only see good Hibiki's in A groove by the way too.
Keep posting stuff, this is informative.


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[PLA Soldier]

A lot of SNK characters are fairly good. While none of them can rank with the likes of Blanka or Sagat, by no means can they not compete.

Iori is a mad man, very easy, high damage combos, great jump in's and anti air, he can definitely hang with anyone.

Rugal has got insane damage on anything he does, land a low forward and that is 50% life gone.

Most of the SNK cast are fairly rounded, all of them can be used well with a little practice.

[RagingStormX]

Athena has a command throw, three good normals for AA, the c.fp or doom, two easy ass combos ( short x2, psycho sword or c.fp ), an invincible level one super, a chipping super, a teleport, a fireball reflector, slowest fireball in the game, and her level 3 SCB can do 45% chip damage in the corner. She's definitely not a rush down character, but she can turtle her ass off. I use her and her worst match seems to be Vega. She is one of the few people who can fight Cammy easily (her c.fp stuffs all Cammys normals and jump ins). So as you can see she's actually pretty good. S-Athena ownz.

[kcxj]

Originally posted by Ouroborus


in other words, yama is the cammy of snk.

Cammy balances out the game... now 9 year olds and old ladies actually stand a chance when they walk up to the machine.

[Burghy]

9 year olds, old ladies, AND BURGHY.

[Kid Lee]

No more mention of Kim...Damn. Final Showdown and myself... That's it. Two players in the whole country, and I don't even know if he still uses Kim.

[kcxj]

Originally posted by Kid Lee
No more mention of Kim...Damn. Final Showdown and myself... That's it. Two players in the whole country, and I don't even know if he still uses Kim.

You should be very proud. I like it when Final Shodown makes threads about Ryu and Kim but instead of talking about Ryu and Kim, he loads it up with the word "fuck" repeatedly instead.

[gawsome]

If you're willing to put in a little thought and more effort most snk characters can be quite good. But obviously Yama, Iori, Kyo, Rugal, Geese, Rock.......

[FINAL SHOWDOWN]

Originally posted by kcxj


You should be very proud. I like it when Final Shodown makes threads about Ryu and Kim but instead of talking about Ryu and Kim, he loads it up with the word "fuck" repeatedly instead.


right i make threads and dont talk about the characters. :rolleyes: Funny most commen comment i get about my thread is acctualy how my threads are so good or the best.


but eh i guess if you gotta just randomly talk shit about how i say the F word i they must be ridiculously good. So all take it as a compliment.






Kid Lee....
Lol well i still "play" kim. I just dont play cvs2 anymore. lol but if i do kim would be on the team. =p lol anyway maybe one day there will be a cvs3....... one..... day........ maybe..... and all play again. =/ anyway usa only needs 2 kims then fuck everyone else.

[caliagent#3]

Originally posted by Kid Lee
No more mention of Kim...Damn. Final Showdown and myself... That's it. Two players in the whole country, and I don't even know if he still uses Kim.


I've been playing kim since the beggining. The two comments i get whenever anyone plays my kim is "Damnit. I hate fighting kim." or "Wow. I like your kim." Anyways, It's hard to find good kim players. And kim stands a chance against to tiers. His jumping fierce beats all anti-air attempts, except for a deep tiger uppercut. He can punish blanka ball. He has above average rushdown. He can beat alot of cammy's normals. And he can keep the pressure on with s.lk

[kcxj]

I kid, I kid.... :lol:

BTW, I watched my EVL 2002 tape a few weeks ago again. There's an idiot running around outside with his underwear over his head at the end of the tourney. The same guy played Kim against one of my friends in the tourney. You weren't that guy were you? Just wanted to settle this once and for all between me and my friends.

[FINAL SHOWDOWN]

no.... why would i run around with underwear on the top of my head. =/

[ThaHungryWolf]

Terry Bogard is the greatest

[SaiYuk]

Originally posted by BloodUrien
I use P and my stongest team right now is Blanka,Kyo,TerryR2.
The SNk side is better then the Capcom side in Chaos I'll tell you that. I really think Chang,Rugal,Geese,Iori,Terry,Yama,Joe,Nak,Yuri, Rock,and Kyo are all really good in CvS2. King,Mai,Ibiki,Athena,and Vice are not that good imo. Kyo is harder to use then Iori to me. But Kyo and Iori are main guys on my p groove teams. I need Bmanka though to bait cc activations.


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how is Yuri better than Athena? and by Ibiki I guess you mean Hibiki? I'm willing to take Athena and Hibiki over Nak, Yuri any day... Hibiki and Nak are arguable, but Athena > Yuri straight up. in fact Athena is one of the SNK chars that I would even consider to use in serious play (but of course that's just me, Geese and Iori and those are really good too, true, just not my style).