who thinks very good sent > very good cable

[sutekidane]

i would say cable. how about you guys. explain too.

[Red Spiral]

a very good sentinel/commando fucks practically every cable up if you play safe and smart.

abuse the unfly a lot and use flying lk unfly lk fly lk etc, whatever you do, but once you corner him and are directly above him and keep stomping the shit out of him hes dead.

plus mix up the ground and fly stomps to catch him off guard.

sent > cable

[50mOrEcEnTz]

strider/doom and cable are sent's counters...what are yall talkin about...cable/cap wins against sent cap IMO...ESPECIALLY IF CABLE HAS ALOT OF METER...but even if he only has two...he still wins imo

one mistake and its cable/cap vs. sent and if you think sent wins THAT matchup...then iono wut to tell u

[hihi]

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz


one mistake and its cable/cap vs. sent and if you think sent wins THAT matchup...then iono wut to tell u

You could say the exact same thing in favor of Sent...

One mistake and it's Sent/Cap vs Cable... and so on.

[doctorK4RNAGE]

who thinks this thread is more suited for the mvc2 strategy thread

also i disagree with you

[NerenatwaH]

i say it's 50/50...

i'm comfortable w/ sent/capcom against cable/capcom....

but cable/cammy or cable/cyclops :(

[50mOrEcEnTz]

Originally posted by hihi


You could say the exact same thing in favor of Sent...

One mistake and it's Sent/Cap vs Cable... and so on. how so? don't say rp xx hsf...cuz he can jump out for one, and u pushblock correctly it could mean the demise of sent if he does the hsf chain twice...or tries to reset the damage

[MagnetiX]

I would prefer a Sent/CapCom team since you can just pretty much fly,kick,pan,unfly,capcom+fly+kick+,unfly,pan,fly, pan,lk,pan+capcom, which is pretty much dead right there,but on the other hand,Cable with capcom is like this


c..lk,c.rk(trip)+capcom,otg,psimitar XX ahvb or

c.lk,c.rk,trip+capcom,otg,grenade XX psimitar XX ahvb, ahvb and so on.

The good thing about Sentinel is he is all damage,no meter needed if paired with Capcom,the bad thing is he needs to be close,and Cable can sure be a good keep away player if done right.

The cable goods is that he can shoot,grenade,shoot,grenade,vyper beam,shoot, grenade..etc,the bad thing is he needs meter to pull off a half decent combo.

Well,theres my opinion

[sutekidane]

OMG. shit. i forgot. eh guys. post agian will you?

i mean 1 on 1. they only has 1 meter, and they are in the middle of the ground and both are allowed to gain meter.

who will win.
i say cable

[Spider_Sting]

Cable still beats sent, even though he has unfly.

Sentinel can't unfly on reaction to AHVB like he can to hail. Plus it gets linked and if Cable has meter you're toast. The AHVB factor will always have Cable > Sent.

[Picolo]

cable wins easy...
sent has to capitalize on a gap or a fuck up...
cable just locks you down... gains meter like nothing
and can chip you
ggop

[Kuan]

cable wins...
but
be careful of safe and patient sents

[CutThroat]

Cable will mostly win, but it's not a free victory. The Sent. can still win.

[demiSe]

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz
how so? don't say rp xx hsf...cuz he can jump out for one, and u pushblock correctly it could mean the demise of sent if he does the hsf chain twice...or tries to reset the damage

Have you ever heard of something called Wakeup Unblockable? Prolly not. Let me fill you in on what it is. If Sent launches you near the corner and he has one meter, you die. You can't roll, you can't jump out, you can't call assist, you can't even AHVB because the meaty c.hp hits Cable THE exact frame he wakes up, oh yeah and I should prolly mention that you can't block it either.

So it would go something like this:

FS combo in corner, (resets) c.hp (unblockable) xx rp xx hsf, relaunch, death...

But ya, it's a lot easier to land an AHVB.

[Mixup]

If randy lew can shoot good magneto's then I don't think sentinel is winning this fight...

[Blaziniflo]

I think Kuan will win this fight.

[Devil X]

too many ways for sent to get shot. it also depends on meter, assists and the situation but the majority of the time its in cables favor

[UMADEUS]

sentinel wins unless cable has drones or bh assist, he actually needs one of these plus an AAA.

[ninja sentinel]

In other words, everybody get fuckin shot :p

[doctorK4RNAGE]

Originally posted by ninja sentinel
In other words, everybody get fuckin shot :p

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[DeAdSpAcE]

Originally posted by UMADEUS
sentinel wins unless cable has drones or bh assist, he actually needs one of these plus an AAA.

He doesn't need only one of the choices, those are just two of many options one can choose from. Just about any AAA assist works well, the best being Commando of course.

[saberwolf]

Originally posted by ninja sentinel
In other words, everybody get fuckin shot :p :wtf: :confused: :wtf: :rolleyes: :wtf: Gay ass mofo.:bluu:

[MagnetiX]

This is pretty much a 50/50 IMO since Sent can do a launch,1,2,3,4, fly,lk,lk+capcom,rocket punch, unfly,fly, fp.

On the other hand,cable cant really do anything cept AHVB,and when he does,he must stay near the ground,which is Sent avoidable,just go to fly mode and vioula! stomp,stomp,capcom,stomp, thats pretty much the 4 step program! WASH,RINSE AND REPEAT!:lol:

[Blackheart2097]

unless cable gets hit by a launcher he still wins....

[InvincibleStorm]

if cable can keep sentinel grounded and away from him, he will win. but if he makes mistakes and lets sentinel fly around him n shit, he's gonna get stomped and launched.

[TrunksSS3]

Sent>Cable

[MagnetiX]

Sentinel is very good in the air most of the time,but you have to remember,Cable is faster ground and air, I use sentinel and I get show down pretty hard too! I try to jump and I get hit by a bullet from Cable, but Sentinel can always pushblock! Just push block and rocket punch! Wash,rinse,repeat,but you might have to dry your hands if you are Sent if you arent quick enough.

[Philth]

Originally posted by UMADEUS
sentinel wins unless cable has drones or bh assist, he actually needs one of these plus an AAA.

Ummmm... no.

Just about ANY assist + Cable beats Sent. (Ok... exaggeration)
It all comes down to grenade placement.

BTW...
Sent proj. assist can be argueably better then drones.
BH assist should already be an AAA unless youre a complete dumbfuck.
He doesnt need 2 AAAs to compete, or even 1 vs. Sent.

If you DP and grenade, sj.jab and sj.fierce you can keep a Sent from getting position above you, and can use a horizontal ground assist to cover any non flight movement.
Row uses sent proj. assist like that, (though I have never seen him DP)

If you cut off Sent from stomping, there should be no way for Sent to win unless your Cable is in chip range.
And even then, you should be Guard Canceling out of HSF like a fuckin baller.

Cable is a direct counter to Sent.

Meter is death.

[Kuan]

Originally posted by Blaziniflo
I think Kuan will win this fight.

:evil:

[wasabi2]

I think Randy will win this fight! Cable> Sent

[Mixup]

At any level of play this fight is simple

Patient cable > patient or agressive sentinel

agressive cable < patient sentinel

And i think the people on the west coast need to stop being so damn good with cable..row,kuan,randy shieeeet

[fishjie]

why isn't this in strategy?

maybe the cables i play against sux, but IMO, if i'm fighting cable and he has no anti air assist, I honestly don't see how he's going to stop me from stomping his ass down.

I can fly, he can't. He can super jump and try and shoot his pistol, but he eventually has to land. I don't. I get that much more closer. How is cable going to protect his head without an anti air? The best position versus cable is directly above or below him, he has NO move that can get you away (psimitar isn't going to save you if sentinel is right above you)

I mean seriously, i can just fly back and forth over his head, stomping and calling out commando, and it'll cross him up half the time. Even if he does get lucky and manages to catch me with a random AHVB in the air, i'll be so high up he won't be able to link it again.

against cable you just have to not fly for long periods of time. just fly a bit, unfly, and maybe bait out an AHVB. if cable doesn't have an anti air how is he going to stop you.

[epyonx]

imo cable 60% > sentinel 40%
1. cable is easier to use effectively then sentinel.
2. cable can really kill u on one mess up or a sloppy unfly. I however realize sentinel can hit hard too but ahbv is guaranteed at the right height.
3. david lee vs jw saw cable sent Y owning sentinel, that type of pattern can be done if sentinel has an aaa because cable and jump around and wait for the aaa and fry it.
4. jr B vs genghis match was a good example of cable vs sentinel BUT well placed grenades really bother sentinel. cable must make sentinel jump or fly into angles. NO cable should just sj hp and have nothing on the ground taking space. sentinel can just wavedash etc.
5. sentinel in the air has to get close to cable and dodge aaa. when sentinel is to close grabs bound to happen messing up the momentum ( i hope i spelled that right)
6. sometimes cable dont need a aaa vs sentinel BUT u gotta be crazy good. eg ecc7 row vs jw in which jw won BUT the sentinel vs row cable was not an easy match but i do realize jw sentinel did improve.
7. there are more good cables out there then sentinels.

[Philth]

Originally posted by fishjie

I can fly, he can't.

No. You cant fly either.
Only "Safe" place to fly is if Cable is in the corner.
Grenades > your Foot.
And once your toes touch a grenade Cable has a free exit.
sj.jab can cut through Sent's stomp patterns, which links direct into AHVB or sj. fierce AHVB.
Cable doesnt need an AA to win this matchup, it just makes his job that much easier.

Only thing Sent can do to win vs. Cable (w/meter) is throw him to death.
Jump in and block what Cable is tossing out and use an assist to hit Cable while blockin.
Or wait for a really big and stupid mistake.

Otherwise he gets shot in the face like a bitch at bukkake-fest-2k3.

[50 SENT]

you can block ahvb on reaction with sent in flight, i was workin on that before i would fly towards cable with uf or just stand still flying holding up. the second the screen moves upward with you , you know cables superjumpin to try to zap yah so you can just unfly that on reaction, eh my strats suck :mad: i still fuck up the unfly heh

[Gammadynamite]

decent cable > awesome sent

w/ capcom assist, it becomes more of a 50/50

[Picolo]

cable owns sent... esp with cyke, it's so annoying to fight against with sent...
so many options for cable to do shit... easy to bait you to try to hurt cyke
if you gonna play sent vs. cable, better have your cable next or storm
shit

50cent > sent

[white shadow]

Cable owns Sent as long as he plays PURE defense and doesn't get cocky and start playing aggressively.

Otherwise you try to jump in with Cable, Sent backdashes S.HK>>>Death.

[sutekidane]

grenades, to be defensive.

sj lp, if he is above u flying

sj hp, if is farawy

ahvb , to get him

light vp, to chip him

[50mOrEcEnTz]

Originally posted by demiSe


Have you ever heard of something called Wakeup Unblockable? Prolly not. Let me fill you in on what it is. If Sent launches you near the corner and he has one meter, you die. You can't roll, you can't jump out, you can't call assist, you can't even AHVB because the meaty c.hp hits Cable THE exact frame he wakes up, oh yeah and I should prolly mention that you can't block it either.

So it would go something like this:

FS combo in corner, (resets) c.hp (unblockable) xx rp xx hsf, relaunch, death...

But ya, it's a lot easier to land an AHVB.

i was talkin about killing assists...and nobody said if cable gets hit with a c.lk by sent...then it would juss be capcom, but he said it would just be cable, so it was inferred that we were talkin about assists. of course i've heard of the unblockable...AHVB is just more practical seeing as how u don't have to land a hit on the point character. or you could scim into an ahvb and capcom would fall back into and once it is cable/cap vs. sent...he has no prayer....but yeah; i agree, if cable gets hit by one low short...that COULD be game easily.

i say cable 7-3 or 8-2