Street fighter EX thread(EX, EX+, Ex+@, EX2, EX2+, EX3)

[SaDo]

I actually want to play EX3 again for some reason.

I found it on ebay for 15 bucks, I'll make my decision since it ends in a day. =)

ill sell you my copy for 5

[formygajp]

Hi there!
I'm a big fan o the EX serie.

I run EX2Plus on Zinc, but I don't know what I should do to unlock Garuda, Shadow and Kairi.

Can anyone help me?
I've already finished the game with all the characters, I really don't know what I should do.
Thanks!

[ShinjiGohan]

IIRC, they're unlocked by leaving it on for a couple weeks >.<

but their should be some config files that you can DL instead, though I'd have to look for them

[ShinjiGohan]

http://www.willemssoft.be/index.php?main=5&sub=19 for the config and trainer if you want it

[ShinjiGohan]

played some games against Dai today.

He's picked up D.Dark and he's now one of his favorite characters.

Sadly today I played like shit, I couldn't DP worth shit, and I kept on messing up BnB combos too >.< like j.hp, c.mp, c.mk, fucked up the hadouken, tag, ah shit he already recovered cause I fucked up.

Also found out that Blankas super electricity over powers even Sakuras Nekkin Hadouken lol.

Still though, we had a lot of laughs and tons of fun. Even broke out a lil bit of Ace.

[Kyōsuke]

Sadly today I played like shit, I couldn't DP worth shit, and I kept on messing up BnB combos too >.< like j.hp, c.mp, c.mk, fucked up the hadouken, tag, ah shit he already recovered cause I fucked up.

What happened to you? perhaps you played with a bad joystick =P

Also found out that Blankas super electricity over powers even Sakuras Nekkin Hadouken lol.

I thought this might happen like tiger cannon lol

[ShinjiGohan]

here is a quick preview of the tutorial layout that I'm doing, bare in mind that this is just a preview so the quality is shit lol.

http://www.streetfighterex.info/Sequence 01a.avi

[Akutabi Gamma]

^Before I watch that, what game is it for and what will be included in the Tut vids?

[Infested Jester]

It's for EX3 and will cover everything from basic attacks to the more advanced stuff.

[Shungoku-Satsu]

i cant seem to finish Pullums ~j-hp-->Drill Purus (air)--> c-mk --> Purim kick--> Praec Larum~ in sfex+alphas expert mode.... its the only challenge i need to finish... *sob*

[ShinjiGohan]

you have to experiement to find out which high you need to hit the hp and cancel into the roundhouse version of the air drill. so that it hits as close to the opponents toes as possible.

[Akutabi Gamma]

Ah cool, I'll wait for the full vid tho :)
BTW what are some EX3 combos for Jack?
In EX2P & EX3 he can do-
Jumping HP/HK-->Cr. MP, MK-->Dash Punch/UpperxxLvl. 3 Super for near 74% damage.
Can I extend that combo in EX3?

[ShinjiGohan]

I posted it so I can get some feedback while I'm still in the earily stages of editting it. But if you're gonna wait I just hope it doesn't disappoint ya'll.

maybe something like
j.hp, c.mp, c.hp, final punch (3-4), k.momentary XX lvl 3 super

[ShinjiGohan]

I was going through some of my clips for the tutorial when I remembered that I did not check/record if momentaries still do block damage or not. Or a normal canceled into a surprise blow. Guess I'll have to record that as well lol

[Shungoku-Satsu]

you have to experiement to find out which high you need to hit the hp and cancel into the roundhouse version of the air drill. so that it hits as close to the opponents toes as possible.

its not that i cant time the medium kick after the drill but its about the purim kick right after that kick. for some reason i always end up diong a res arcana instead...grrr. But whenever i try to combo the kick and purim kick to a preac larum seperately i always succeed, i cant understand why i cant do it.

This must be the 10th time i atempted to finish ALL missions, i always gave up on it, this time however i saw myself finishing even the hardest of missions! And i can remember that i completed Pullums series of missions in the past, for sure. Now its the only mission i still need. So damn frustrating.

[ShinjiGohan]

you should be able to still cancel into the preac larum and have it take.

but without knowing your execution I can't offer too much. It could be that your accidently negative edging the res arcana so you can try holding down the kick button after you finish performing the purim kick and try performing preac larum from that.

[formygajp]

Thanks, ShinjiGohan!
Now I can finally play as Garuda, Shadow and Kairi!

Unfortunately, 3D games run to slow at my PC... I don't know what goes on.

By the way, do you guys know a site where I can find REAL EX2 Plus matches?
I'm tired of finding only combo videos, I wanna see action!

The only nice EX2+ matches i've seen are from a Peruvian guy on Youtube, the guys play nice as hell!

Thanks to everyone. Long live, Street Fighter EX2 Plus!!!

[ShinjiGohan]

you're playing it on zinc right? if so then there isn't much less you can do besides attempting to mess with the emu settings to see if it goes after for you.

Sadly I have the opposite problem, it runs too fast >.< Even though it says 60fps, I know its playing too fast and I have to play it in mame instead.

ePSXe seems to have input lag.

So mame or actual console/arcade it is for me.

there were some japanese matche on youtube from acho and some casuals as well for EX2+. Tobemorecrazy I believe also has some hongkong matches on there as well.

[Kyōsuke]

By the way, do you guys know a site where I can find REAL EX2 Plus matches?
I'm tired of finding only combo videos, I wanna see action!

The only nice EX2+ matches i've seen are from a Peruvian guy on Youtube, the guys play nice as hell!

Thanks to everyone. Long live, Street Fighter EX2 Plus!!!

I can upload some EX2+ matches, but unlike most of the peruvian players... I play without excels cause I don't like it, my matches have a decent level anyway, so if you like to see some of this type of matches... I can upload them...

Hey Shinji! where are you? lol

[ShinjiGohan]

just beat suikoden 1 and now resuming work on the EX3 tutorial video.

[gen]

just beat suikoden 1 and now resuming work on the EX3 tutorial video.


hey shiji,
i remember you saying something about connectng ryus DP into a super fireball... not sure if you knew this already but it works eveytime on small chracters when comboed into from mid screen.

[gen]

i was challenged by my local gamestore owner... the result!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCLiG_lTPoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFfN4MR-qm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY7g2ERh-Rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFRN-yb_Tys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZFIJYBg3Fc


i gotta go back there...i run out of memory on my digi camera and didn't get all the matches. these are just warm ups...

[Kyōsuke]

Thanks gen for the matches, good job with the change and throw, it's nice to see you in action again...:tup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZFIJYBg3Fc

lol at 1:21

[ShinjiGohan]

hey shiji,
i remember you saying something about connectng ryus DP into a super fireball... not sure if you knew this already but it works eveytime on small chracters when comboed into from mid screen.

that was shown in the ARIKA EX2 combo video but I hadn't tried it intentionally, but sometimes I fuck up and get that, however the fireball misses.

good matches Gen, hope to see you in june :)

[gen]

Thanks gen for the matches, good job with the change and throw, it's nice to see you in action again...:tup:



lol at 1:21

that was shown in the ARIKA EX2 combo video but I hadn't tried it intentionally, but sometimes I fuck up and get that, however the fireball misses.

good matches Gen, hope to see you in june :)


THANKS guys! I owe a lot of my improvement to you guys.

oh yeah, momentary fireball always misses.

[ShinjiGohan]

BTW gen I'm disappointed that you lost that one match :P

way to represent neoavalon lol

[gen]

BTW gen I'm disappointed that you lost that one match :P

way to represent neoavalon lol



LOL... well you can't win them all i surppose.

[formygajp]

Yes, I'm using Zinc, but I can't figure out how to configure it. Maybe it's because my PC is too slow.

Kyōsuke, you don't use Excels? Well, it's hard to survive in this game if you don't use them. They're probably the best damage source in the game. But I would like to see your matches.

I have already watched those matches on Youtube.
I think the A-Cho players aren't that great... It's strange, because Japanese players are used to be the best ones, and, in my humble opinion, I think I can even compete with them.

Tobemorecrazy's videos are great, but I think the moves deal too much damage. They are probably in the HEAVY damage, what makes the match a little boring.

If anyone has matches of EX2+, I would love to see!

Thanks ShinjiGohan and Kyōsuke.

[ShinjiGohan]

yes those hongkong players like to play on high damage for some reason.

zinc you can configure in a frontend like zincgui or zincfe or you can edit the txt files like it was supposed to be lol.

[mr. newbie]

i might have a money match in ex +a at the end of the week. can someone give me some quick tiers or vids i should watch?

[ShinjiGohan]

Zangief rocks ^.^

Is this arcade or PSX console?

http://www.combovideos.com/page.php?id=1456

http://www.combovideos.com/page.php?id=1457

sadly there really isn't much of good footage of EX1 gameplay on youtube or I'd post that instead.

well there is one expert mode missions so you can get the idea of some combos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jBxC5j3A0U
this guy is ok, but he lacks basics and just goes for the kill combo at the end

kick final turn punch as AA, super cancel into crazy jack upper, super cancel homerun kick, batting hero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2la4k230McQ
this is for the arcade version of EX Plus, so cycloid beta infinite isn't an issue for you if you're playing PSX version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olsuOfkxRJE&feature=related
expert mode

[ShinjiGohan]

how'd the MM go?

I also got a laptop so now I shouldn't have any troubles running the brackets for EX# at Evo north.

[ShinjiGohan]

surprised gen didn't link them but three more matches against the ebgames owner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAt_5Qpd9ew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQWRIuAN_vc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRY8Lvpc5Jg

also I'm not sure if its mame or if the euro version of arcade SFEX is just can glitchy, but there have been plenty of times when the screen suddenly shifted in mid match, also teleports characters too sometimes. Last time I was playing against Dark with Zangief and I was about to get hit by Kill Blade but the screen shifted and teleported my characters so he missed and I counter attacked.... glitchy :( but still cool lol

[ShinjiGohan]

I did some experiementing last night.

Tag can be done as reversals to meaty moves (I've suspected but never actually tried til now)

Also Daruns Taunts are both capable of absorbing a shinku Hadouken PPP and KKK. I'm uploading a video on youtube on this but if he does a 3rd shinku you're in trouble unless your timing and spacing was perfect on the first two (normally impossible to block due to recovery from KKK unless you timed it just right, then you can block it).

[gen]

I did some experiementing last night.

Tag can be done as reversals to meaty moves (I've suspected but never actually tried til now)

Also Daruns Taunts are both capable of absorbing a shinku Hadouken PPP and KKK. I'm uploading a video on youtube on this but if he does a 3rd shinku you're in trouble unless your timing and spacing was perfect on the first two (normally impossible to block due to recovery from KKK unless you timed it just right, then you can block it).


knew about the tag meaty reversal but never knew about daruns taunt. i always woundered what the point of that kkk move was...now i know, good stuff dude.

[ShinjiGohan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgY18vp7LgA#GU5U2spHI_4

youtubed

[ShinjiGohan]

got some matches against Dia and his brother Donnie today, but forgot the remote for the VCR so no matches :(

Tag Reversal definitely came in handy, but I definitely need to work on my AAs.

[Richard]

It's just occurred to me that there are 3 characters in SFEX3 where I don't know the names of their music: Kairi, Sagat and Shadow Geist.

I know a few people on here have the SFEX2 soundtrack CDs, so can anybody fill these in? I recently saw something called "Before Moon" on Youtube that was essentially the SFEX3 Sagat music when you play 2P/Arena mode. Was this exactly the same as that used in EX2?

[Kyōsuke]

It's just occurred to me that there are 3 characters in SFEX3 where I don't know the names of their music: Kairi, Sagat and Shadow Geist.

Kairi: "Passage Of Lotus"
Sagat: "Before Moon"
Shadow Geist: "Amusmentive Crime 2" (EX2 Plus)

Shadow's theme in EX3 is "The Battle Of The Flame", this song was originally from Vega in EX2 Plus... I don't know why they changed the music to Shadow...

You can download the full soundtrack from here:

http://gh.ffshrine.org/soundtracks/s

I recently saw something called "Before Moon" on Youtube that was essentially the SFEX3 Sagat music when you play 2P/Arena mode. Was this exactly the same as that used in EX2?

EX2 Plus, PS1 version...

[RockTakane]

WHOOOOOOO! I just finished reading the 6th page more or less. I'm wondering if any of the OG posters are still here...6 years later! haha.
I must say that although I LOVE Blair in EX+@, I like having Hayate, Rosso, Blanka, Sharon, etc. in EX2@. I HATED that they took away Zangief's "Banishing Flat"/green-hand thing from the console version (and arcade version when they made EX2+)--I mean, he was still toned down from EX; right?!?!

You guys who do your own maniac combos are NUTS. I can ALMOST complete expert mode in EX and maybe finished EX2+, but sometimes it IS about knowing the tricks and not about execution skills.

EX3 has more of a Marvel feel, and perhaps that's partially why my bro Mike Z likes it so much.

I also JUST found my old copy of EX2+ (sold the 1st but kinda want to get it again). I wish there were more CLOSET fans of this game, to play (I don't know anyone in person who loves the EX games and is eager to say it lol!).

'FINALLY, for now, does anyone have info on good juggles besides involving supers, Bison's kick throw, and Excel combos? I'll practice tomorrow night to check :)

'Thanks in advance to anyone giving feedback on this.

[ShinjiGohan]

most of the OG posters in this thread have either been banned, moved on in their SRK posting. I'm pretty much the only one left :(.

IIRC MikeZ hasn't played this too much lately. He found his old copy when I was doing some critical parade combos and trying out some bugs that he found years ago but after I was done I think he said that he wasn't gonna play again :-\

Though I like EX3 because I hate excels, and by comarison EX1 feels too limited without momenties and Tag.

For players near you I know that aerthlith (SP?) player at FFA used to play EX2 a bit, same as Afro Legends and alex Valle. They should all be somewhat near you. Seth Killian has always had a softspot for EX, though I'm not sure where he's living now-a-days. He used to be in champaign IL, but I get the feeling that he's in cali now. I also got Jason Cole to play a few matches last year at evo north, he seemed to be having fun but eventually left to play some A2 lol.

[Jimmy Bones]

Though I like EX3 because I hate excels, and by comparison EX1 feels too limited without momenties and Tag.

Fixed.

[ShinjiGohan]

thanks lol

[Jimmy Bones]

:u: no prob dude, im supporting the SFEX series too, you're doing a good job.

:tup:

[Donkus]

most of the OG posters in this thread have either been banned, moved on in their SRK posting. I'm pretty much the only one left :(.


I still lurk here. Hard to believe this thread is six years old.

[ShinjiGohan]

for a 6 year old thread its sad that it only has 102 pages :(. compare that with even a recent SNK thread and its pretty small.

[Evilryu2K2]

I'm still here too... but i've been a bit away from EX gaming... sorry 'bout that =P

i do like to see shinji's still pretty active with this... and i also like his "youtubed" vids so keep them coming! i may not say anything but i do like watching them :D

[Josh-TheFunkDOC]

I'll be honest - I just don't really play EX now because it isn't online. I've got plenty to focus on now between ST and SNK games.

[ShinjiGohan]

yeah, well EX is semi online with mame or ePSXe. However lag just kills it. If only zinc was added to ggpo hardware emulation then maybe we could get some EX1 or EX2+ matches going on with ggpos good netcode.

[Snatcher]

I know a really gimmicky setup to try with V. Rosso in EX3 (Possibly in the others, but I've only played EX3). Meaty Vulcanus to tick into Meteor, I don't know how ticking or reversals work in EX, so I don't know how viable that strategy might be.

[ShinjiGohan]

it works, I get caught in it from time to time. the meteor grabs pretty quickly as well so the room for reversal is pretty small but you can probaby tag throw it.

another one is his fire pillar super, dash, meteor 9assuming you have emotional flow. With the fire pillar there the opponent won't want to attack recklessly or else he may get hit by the fire pillar and while he's afraid of that you can dash and grab.

[RockTakane]

THANKS for the quick reply, ShinjiGohan :) It's good to see a few OG posters that I recognized from the start of this thread. I PROBABLY contributed to it a year ago but I'd have to check.

It's nice to see ppl still play it: sometimes I just need a break from 3S lol.

I've got some questions for you guys about the gameplay on EX2+ for PS. 'So I was practicing in training mode yesterday and started with Hokuto. I NEVER payed attention to all the settings before, but there's this weird option to have juggling or the lack thereof. I switched on the option and found a little cool level-1 combo that seems to do decent damage, but for me, most importantly, it's for fun.

HERE are the weird aspects about it, to me: I was only trying to juggle off her 2-hit super, and in the past, I didn't remember being able to do more than a jump-in hk against the falling opponent, and I wanted to see how many hits I could connect but only with normals and specials (no meter). I need a better PS controller (EX games seem ok for d-pad, and I used to PREFER it to joysticks), also.
The OTHER thing is that when I turned on juggling, I couldn't seem to cancel into super from Hokuto's cr. mk, yet I later realized I could cancel from her cr. hk--does this mean the cr. hk is considered a jugglable attack since it sorta bounces the opponent a little and cos it's super-cancellable?

When I turned off juggling, I COULD cancel super from cr. mk, but couldn't cancel off cr. hk anymore. I'll check my controls again, but I think this is intended?

'So I was wondering if anyone knows the juggle properties work behind this super of hers (qcfX2, p), and if/how it compares to the rest of the game's juggle system.

I'm gonna check gamefaqs for juggle combos in terms of examples and advice, and general game info, but in case I can't find everything I need to know, there, then for now I have 2 more questions :) 1. Does anyone know if juggling is only allowed in arcade mode (against cpu and not just vs. mode, if at all), and how does the juggling system differ from EX1+@ on PS? I'm gonna try to get a copy of the game again. I REALLY miss having Blair playable, and she had a cool juggle combo ender to her Shoot Kickx3. Juggling is my fave' aspect of the partic SF games I play.

Thanks in advance for any pointers! :)

[digimonemporer]

Man two days ago I was playing EX2+ for the 1st time in a while. And it felt so damn good.

I can't wait to money match Justin Wong at MWC in this game...

It's too good.

I was also reminded of how WEIRD AREA is...but I believe she's top or high mid...I dunno :confused:

Oh well back to performing the flashiest excel combos I can think of...LMAO!!!

[ShinjiGohan]

Yeah Nekki had a mean Area in EX2+ with her moving DL and Upload. Great tools for zoning out the opponent. Though he says that he was only good with her because she was so good to begin with lol.

The OTHER thing is that when I turned on juggling, I couldn't seem to cancel into super from Hokuto's cr. mk, yet I later realized I could cancel from her cr. hk--does this mean the cr. hk is considered a jugglable attack since it sorta bounces the opponent a little and cos it's super-cancellable?

Some moves are super cancelable and others are not. However every c.hk except for Guiles are impossible to juggle after (not counting excels cause you can do anything with those lol). However super cancelable from c.hk is mainly for block pushing and chipping. It won't combo normally.

For it being super cancelable with juggling off, well thats just a quirk of the training mode. In SFEX1 you can cancel his throw into a special move with him. What I mean is that you can do his throw where he grabs the opponent and lifts them over his head and then impales them with spikes and from that you can cancel into any special move you want.

For her super move juggle, the opponent will remain in juggable state until they land or get hit. Once they get hit their jugglable property changes to whichever it is for the move that they're hit with.

For say example (not exact numbers or anything but just to show a point). J.hk is jugglable for 10 frames after hit, s.lp is 5 frames, c.hk is 1 frame.

So after her super which is pretty much infinitely juggable, if you hit them with j.hk they'll then be in a juggle state for only 10 frames, if you then combo a s.lp it is then reset to 5 frames, if you then do a j.hk it'll be reset to 10 frames. However she doesn't have any air special/super cancels so the combo ends there.

For in arcade and vs (non training mode) all juggling is set to the default (off). Only in training mode can you set juggling on which essentially means that every move is jugglable until they are beginning to stand up from a knockdown.

The juggling system doesn't change between EX+a and EX2+. Only the juggling properties of moves change. Which in most cases hasn't really changed. Unless they felt that something was too powerful so they changed it so you couldn't do it anymore. An example of this is in the original SFEX game (no plus) in the arcade, after Akuma's last kick of his hurricane kick the opponent was in a jugglable state until they hit the ground, so you could repeatively do hurricane kick versions, lk, mk, mk, hk, land s.lp, huricane kick (lk, mk, mk, hk) and repeat until you mess up or the opponent dies. So in EX+ they changed it so they're only juggable for a certain number of frames after the last hit so you couldn't do that anymore.

[RockTakane]

So after her super which is pretty much infinitely juggable, if you hit them with j.hk they'll then be in a juggle state for only 10 frames, if you then combo a s.lp it is then reset to 5 frames, if you then do a j.hk it'll be reset to 10 frames. However she doesn't have any air special/super cancels so the combo ends there.


Cool; thanks again for the quick reply. I checked Gamefaqs cos I thought my questions were perhaps already answered, but NO: the site doesn't have the info I need! Thaz a shocker! :(

So the best thing you can do after her super is j.hk, s.lp, j.hk and that's it? You mentioned that the juggling gets reset and you can do an infinite with this super, or it eventually wears off (whether you mess up or not). Sorry--wanna make sure I get ya. I know you guys mentioned that Chun has that Lightning Kick, cr.mk infinite :)

I need to get another copy of EX+@, so I don't remember what I discovered, but for Blair, I accidentally used the wrong name, when I was wondering about her Shoot Kickx3 special. I know that 1 of her missions in expert mode or whatever it's called (I forget) involves following up w/ a cr. kick (mk or lk) into her dp+k move that does 2 more hits. Is that all you can do with for a combo ender w/o meter? Also, if you have super at this point, you can only cancel into her other super to keep the combo going? It seems that her 2-hit punch special (dp+p, I think) will miss on the 2nd hit--whether or not you do a cr. kick before it as the first follow-up to the Shoot Kick.

One more thing: since you already mentioned on YT that you posted those videos, only if you feel like it, I was wondering if you could post more Blair vids and/or matches against some friends if it's possible (and you have someone available)? This could be really helpful as a visual aid for any combos I'd never imagine (although discovering them on my own is fun too).

I wish I could return the favor for your generosity but even if you play 3S, my tips might be old news lol. 'lates bro.

[RockTakane]

Thanks for the positive rep ;)

[ShinjiGohan]

So the best thing you can do after her super is j.hk, s.lp, j.hk and that's it? You mentioned that the juggling gets reset and you can do an infinite with this super, or it eventually wears off (whether you mess up or not). Sorry--wanna make sure I get ya. I know you guys mentioned that Chun has that Lightning Kick, cr.mk infinite :)


that only goes with juggling on and so long as you are close enough to them. For hokuto without superbars yeah that's pretty much as good as it'll get. With it though she can excel into nigh 100% combos. Hence why I dislike excels lol.


I need to get another copy of EX+@, so I don't remember what I discovered, but for Blair, I accidentally used the wrong name, when I was wondering about her Shoot Kickx3 special. I know that 1 of her missions in expert mode or whatever it's called (I forget) involves following up w/ a cr. kick (mk or lk) into her dp+k move that does 2 more hits. Is that all you can do with for a combo ender w/o meter? Also, if you have super at this point, you can only cancel into her other super to keep the combo going? It seems that her 2-hit punch special (dp+p, I think) will miss on the 2nd hit--whether or not you do a cr. kick before it as the first follow-up to the Shoot Kick.


I could have sworn that I've gotten the 2-hit punch special to hit twice and then super cancel into spin side shoot (SP?) then her punch super. Maybe it dealt with timing and the weight of the opponent. But I could have sworn I got it for the expert mode mission with her.


One more thing: since you already mentioned on YT that you posted those videos, only if you feel like it, I was wondering if you could post more Blair vids and/or matches against some friends if it's possible (and you have someone available)? This could be really helpful as a visual aid for any combos I'd never imagine (although discovering them on my own is fun too).


I don't really play EX+a anymore, it feels too limited compared to EX3. Nor do I have anyone to play against. If I'm lucky I'll play against 1 friend in EX3 for 2-3 hours a month. I don't even know if he's played EX1 or not.


I wish I could return the favor for your generosity but even if you play 3S, my tips might be old news lol. 'lates bro.

I don't really play 3s. I occassionally dabble in it with Makoto, Hugo, Ken or Chun but I can't even kara throw lol.

[RockTakane]

that only goes with juggling on and so long as you are close enough to them. For hokuto without superbars yeah that's pretty much as good as it'll get. With it though she can excel into nigh 100% combos. Hence why I dislike excels lol.




I could have sworn that I've gotten the 2-hit punch special to hit twice and then super cancel into spin side shoot (SP?) then her punch super. Maybe it dealt with timing and the weight of the opponent. But I could have sworn I got it for the expert mode mission with her.




I don't really play EX+a anymore, it feels too limited compared to EX3. Nor do I have anyone to play against. If I'm lucky I'll play against 1 friend in EX3 for 2-3 hours a month. I don't even know if he's played EX1 or not.



I don't really play 3s. I occassionally dabble in it with Makoto, Hugo, Ken or Chun but I can't even kara throw lol.

If it's in training mode and you connected the combo, maybe it depends on the opponent and it doesn't work on everyone, although so far that doesn't seem to be as big an issue in the EX games.

I know what you mean about EX+@ seeming limited...and I guess that's why they added those Excel combos in EX2? It kinda reminds me of how SFA compared to A2, but maybe that's the idea? I'm just REALLY terrible at doing high-damage excel combos, so that's the main reason I don't like them, but if they seem too game-breaking, that's definitely worse. It's too bad cos for a while A3 was my fave' Alpha, and then ppl said they were too broken, but mostly cos of the juggle infinites that were tacked on to the end of them (kinda cool and funny, but REALLY annoying if you're on the receiving end...might as well get a snack while you're waiting for the round to end! lol).

It sucks when you don't have more comp for a game you like. Mike Z loves Guilty Gear, but it's still not catching on very well (at least, not OFFline). I'd like to give it a shot despite it having a much harder learning curve than 3S, which I play most seriously.

I feel that 3S is 1 of the easiest SF games to learn overall (Super Turbo's rounds just don't last long enough; GRRRR :P), but HARD to master, so it's addictive for me. Kara-throwing CAN be hard to do consistently for certain characters, imho :) I swear it was only recently that ppl started using Chun's neutral mk kara, and it seems hard to land, at least, cos when you suddenly stop moving forward in order to get the proper normal to come out for the kara, it seems like you're giving away to your opponent the cue that you're gonna use it, and even if you fake it, it doesn't gain you much advantage, from what I can tell. I mostly play Alex and Dudley, though my current main character is Necro, and despite what I HAVE learned about the game, it's easier for me to try to take useful stuff from better players and then just find my own style: I play Ken and Chun as if I hadn't already seen 2 billion Japanese tournies starring the 2 LOL...maybe they're too normal for me?

[Superking]

This thread is older than most active posters on this site. :wtf: :rofl:

[ShinjiGohan]

lol, gotta thank colguile for making it, and me for keeping it from being pruned lol.

[gen]

wouldn't mind seeing what your makoto i actually like shinji.

[ShinjiGohan]

its uber scrubby lol, can't even consistently sc from the s.hp to her SA.

[gen]

its uber scrubby lol, can't even consistently sc from the s.hp to her SA.



...and i thought my makoto was bad lol!

[ShinjiGohan]

lol I told you I was bad, though I haven't actually bothered to practice though so that might be the problem lol But this isn't a 3s thread its EX.

Upon watching your match against the shop keeper I got to thinking.

Dark Wire, Dark Hold, j.hk, j.hp, explosive, F+MP (top-down attack) into explosive and p.momentary from the explosive that I hit them into, tag while on ground, kill wire, p.momentary, kill blade...

any idea if that could work?

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

How good in EX3 is Area? She was my hands-down best fighter, and if I played the game at all, she'd have to be on my team. Unless of course she sucks as bad as Nanase does.

[ShinjiGohan]

I'm not good with her but playing against a good Area is annoying as hell, at least it was for me when I played against Jesters last year.

So shes good

Nanase I guess can be good in the right hands (kyosuke's)

[EveryFlowerFlow]

whats the best emulator for sfex+@? epsxe?

[ShinjiGohan]

PSx and ePSXe are both good. PSx if you don't like customization and ePSXe if you love to tweak things.

[gen]

lol I told you I was bad, though I haven't actually bothered to practice though so that might be the problem lol But this isn't a 3s thread its EX.

Upon watching your match against the shop keeper I got to thinking.

Dark Wire, Dark Hold, j.hk, j.hp, explosive, F+MP (top-down attack) into explosive and p.momentary from the explosive that I hit them into, tag while on ground, kill wire, p.momentary, kill blade...

any idea if that could work?


hmmm, couldn't get it to work. seems like you're always stuck in the F+mp overhead animation. actually, i'm not even sure you can momentary at all during a special normal. the knife nightmare is particularly wierd in that you can't seem to do anything other than tag during or after it. i'm not sure if that is unique to all special normal OHs or just that one. i know you can super cancel area's over head (or is that a link???) but shadow's F+mk is another problem.


try it out and let me know...


by the way, i had no idea that sagats fake can be used to avoid low attacks!

[ShinjiGohan]

it can? I didn't know that either, that gives me something to try out today hehe

[ShinjiGohan]

forthat combo, that was something that I didn't think about. If the properties of the F+MP cancel out the momentary... I'll try and program it in with super canceling on and when I get it I'll turn it off to see if it still works.

if not then maybe I'll try a meaty attack so I can get out of the properties of the movie ASAP and have an increased chance at momentaring.

also contrary to what I said months ago, I don't believe you can negative edge a momentary.

[ShinjiGohan]

no go, even with super cancel limit turned off.

[gen]

it can? I didn't know that either, that gives me something to try out today hehe


saw it in one of your vids against TarkanX! c.mk completely wiffed during a fake.

[ShinjiGohan]

lol, thanks for pointing that out during my own match.

Got some matches against Dai today. I'll probably have then captured and uploaded tomorrow. since I have work in 5 hours >.<

[ShinjiGohan]

quick question Gen, Kyosuke or Jester. I know when you tag when you hold down the buttons after the tag an attack will come out. If you hold jab you automatically jab. What if the opponent tags? Can you hold down a button during the tag freeze and then automatically do that attack? I don't believe so but if you could answer that for me I'd appreciate it.

[Kyōsuke]

Unless of course she sucks as bad as Nanase does.

Nanase is awesome...

http://www.youtube.com/kyosukex3

quick question Gen, Kyosuke or Jester. I know when you tag when you hold down the buttons after the tag an attack will come out. If you hold jab you automatically jab. What if the opponent tags? Can you hold down a button during the tag freeze and then automatically do that attack? I don't believe so but if you could answer that for me I'd appreciate it.

No, you can't.
In this case, the opponent has the priority because he did the change...

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

Nanase is awesome...

http://www.youtube.com/kyosukex3

Oh, wow.....
I'm thinking of picking this game up. I'll start with my old best characters, Area and Chun-Li.

[Richard]

ot a question, how does block damage work in EX3? seems like you get it sometimes and other times you don't, what's up?

I deal with chipping in the Meteor Combo Damage Data FAQ on gamefaqs. Essentially, you only get the first move.

[ShinjiGohan]

basicly any move by itself that isn't a normal or throw will do block damage. However when you cancel one into another you only get the first.

you can bypass this with certain characters by inserting a normal move between specials or supers (like Shadowgeist).

[ShinjiGohan]

uploading each match right now with Dai, 35 in all. Some of them I win, others I get demolished. But all of it is a learning experience and hopefully some of you can learn from my mistakes and whatever flukes that might have occured.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok matches uploaded
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=shinjig

not going to link to 35 individual matches though lol.

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

ok matches uploaded
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=shinjig

not going to link to 35 individual matches though lol.

Good shit. :tup:
I'm scouring the internet for SFEX3. I'm going to play this goddamn game.
What peripheral do you guys use? Stick still, or pad?

[ShinjiGohan]

Dai and I are both pad players, as is his brother Donnie and their other friend Nhat. But sticks work well in this game (like any other fighting game)

[gen]

ok matches uploaded
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=shinjig

not going to link to 35 individual matches though lol.



good stuff guys! highlight for me were the ken & ryu mirror matches and the blanka matches.

is it just me or did dai get better...?

[ShinjiGohan]

pullum seems to be a bad match for blanka, so I'll probably try sticking with zangief vs him. At the very last I can trade hits on the lariat.

and I won't jump in too much so I don't have to worry about jumping into blanka's meteor.

but yeah he seemed to level up a little bit.

[gen]

pullum seems to be a bad match for blanka, so I'll probably try sticking with zangief vs him. At the very last I can trade hits on the lariat.

and I won't jump in too much so I don't have to worry about jumping into blanka's meteor.

but yeah he seemed to level up a little bit.


Bison makes a GREAT counter to blanka.

[ShinjiGohan]

now if only I had a competent bison lol.

Well I'm playing him again tomorrow so I'll test it out though I'm not sure what beats what in that match up.

[Saotome Kaneda]

I know that 1 of her missions in expert mode or whatever it's called (I forget) involves following up w/ a cr. kick (mk or lk) into her dp+k move that does 2 more hits. Is that all you can do with for a combo ender w/o meter? Also, if you have super at this point, you can only cancel into her other super to keep the combo going? It seems that her 2-hit punch special (dp+p, I think) will miss on the 2nd hit--whether or not you do a cr. kick before it as the first follow-up to the Shoot Kick

I could have sworn that I've gotten the 2-hit punch special to hit twice and then super cancel into spin side shoot (SP?) then her punch super. Maybe it dealt with timing and the weight of the opponent. But I could have sworn I got it for the expert mode mission with her.

Luckily for you guys I JUST popped in EX+a for no reason at all 2 nights ago and got as much as I could done in Expert mode. the key to juggling after shoot kick HK finisher is that walk forward. Basically you want to hit them with whatever you plan to when they're head is about where her elbows are when she walks. You can get s.HK xx Spin Side(4 hit flip ver) pretty easily once you get the timing + distance. And DP+P(2 hit) xx Side Spin works too, you pretty much have to do it in one of the earlier missions. lol But yeah, the c.MK xx Lightning Knee(DP+K) is one of the harder ones because of how you need to space them.

[ShinjiGohan]

thanks SK ^.^

In other news I got about 2 more hours of EX3 captured (would have had like 6 but I only brought 1 tape >.<).

Highlights of the non-capped footage.

me accidentally getting skullos slide, p.k.p.k momentaries
me accidently using a lk.hurricane kick with ryu to go OVER Bison Meteor
and me winning by Garuda CP by getting it on both characters at the same time.

this time I did better in the capped footage compared to last time, and in the non capped I was on fire. Sadly since I ran out of tape it was only me and Dai, but on the non-capped it also had his brother Donnie.

[gen]

i've got a question about rosso. why do the counter after a sucessful qcf p, f+p?

also, what's up w/ qcb p, dash behind, is that unblockable or similar to dark's explosive setup?

[Saotome Kaneda]

i've got a question about rosso. why do the counter after a sucessful qcf p, f+p?

also, what's up w/ qcb p, dash behind, is that unblockable or similar to dark's explosive setup?
The dashthrough is a crossup like the EXplosive thing.

Can't really answer for the other rosso Q tho.

[ShinjiGohan]

i've got a question about rosso. why do the counter after a sucessful qcf p, f+p?


mainly to mix things up,or I just fucked up the super and got that instead ^.^


also, what's up w/ qcb p, dash behind, is that unblockable or similar to dark's explosive setup?

its just more of a mix up. though I don't think its unblockable, infact I'm not even sure which should do first, the manual dash or doing a k.momentary to dash. But Rosso's all about the mind games so the more options the better.

[ShinjiGohan]

ready or not here are 57 more matches uploaded to youtube lol.

[Kyōsuke]

Wow! 35 + 57 = 92 matches, ok I'm ready lol

[ShinjiGohan]

short combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVzhSSpdqQ8

[gen]

short combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVzhSSpdqQ8


good stuff dude!!!


S. HK, explosive, momentary P does some good damage as a combo ender for dark. may have to start using that instead... it's tricky to pull off but worth the extra damage.

I see you're still having some blanka problems. the thing is, Bison lacks an anti air special, you gotta make up for it with random psycho cannons and well placed psycho crusher reversals when dealing with blanka. also, bison's head stomp has good priority... seriously though psycho cannon alone can end the match, blanka balls get stuck in that shit all day for full damage.
what blanka has going for him is an amazingly good meteor, one of the best in the game. a level three blanka demands respect! you gotta play cautiously at that point.

[ShinjiGohan]

it also almost builds a full 1 lv of super bar as well ^.^

ok, yeah you weren't specific in how Bison can beat blanka. I guess I got it right in the first match though at least at the end.

next time I play blanka I'll try that out.

[Saotome Kaneda]

lol lvl3 Blanka in this game is like a turtling lvl3 Blanka in CvS2


and good shit Shinji.


Quick Q for Bison players, I know you can hit juggles after an AA Psycho Cannon, since there's a mission in SFEX+a for it. Anyone have any good ideas for followups(meter and no meter) other than Psycho Crusher in all the games? I haven't gotten much time to test and it's kinda goofy to get it setup right. =/

[metalmike31216]

Does anybody know if the Street Fighter EX 3 strategy guide is any good? It was released by either Prima or BradyGames.

[gen]

lol lvl3 Blanka in this game is like a turtling lvl3 Blanka in CvS2


and good shit Shinji.


Quick Q for Bison players, I know you can hit juggles after an AA Psycho Cannon, since there's a mission in SFEX+a for it. Anyone have any good ideas for followups(meter and no meter) other than Psycho Crusher in all the games? I haven't gotten much time to test and it's kinda goofy to get it setup right. =/


actually, the best bison psycho cannon follow up i've seen is from Kyosuke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlkZucK9EI


other than that, you can either walk forward c. mp, jumping/standing HK or simply do another psycho cannon should the knee press follow up pose too much of a problem.
BTW, psycho cannon follow ups are tricky, and in most cases your most reliable option for damage is usually the psycho crusher IMO.

[gen]

Does anybody know if the Street Fighter EX 3 strategy guide is any good? It was released by either Prima or BradyGames.


actually, it's not bad at all. :tup:it's definitely worth getting if you're just learning the game. there are a couple mistakes but overall a good starting point.

[metalmike31216]

actually, it's not bad at all. :tup:it's definitely worth getting if you're just learning the game. there are a couple mistakes but overall a good starting point.

Alright. Thanks a bunch. I shall check eBay.

[Akutabi Gamma]

short combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVzhSSpdqQ8

That was a kickass combo, same goes for Vega and Dark.

[Kyōsuke]

actually, the best bison psycho cannon follow up i've seen is from Kyosuke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlkZucK9EI

I really love that combo, but it's hard to do it in matches, at least the second Knee Press into Psycho Cannon...

[ShinjiGohan]

ok to make a long story short, at Acen this year I convinced Webster to hold an EX3 tournament. just before he announced it we were sayingthat we'd get like 5 people. So as soon as he announced 16 people immediately step-up and signed up. Sadly due to the CvS2 tournament taking several hours half the people that signed up weren't in the game room area for it.

oh yeah, I won it lol.

not much of interest there except I thought I saw someone combo with shadow a c.mk, s.hp... I didn't think that would combo but I guess it did. it wasn't even a meaty attack either.

also wihle goofing around I did something like
area: tag, download
c.jacj: throw, then the download hits... I immediately tried to follow up with a dashing punch but had no luck.
since I've tried to replicate it 20 times but I just can't get it.

[ShinjiGohan]

not really the place to say it but apparently I was banned from ign lol. I quoted some guy that won't play SF4 unless akuma's in it (he's said the same thing 20 times all over the forum there) and I replied that no one gives a damn.

So I get banned for being "mean" and writing the word "damn" which was censored. But the guy that I quoted wrote "fuck" which was also censored but he wasn't banned.

Oh well, one less shitty site to visit.

Back to the video though, I've got all of the button edits done, so now I'm adding subtitles so they know whats going on besides just characters moving with a joystick at the bottom.

after that it should be just splicing it all together.

[gen]

not really the place to say it but apparently I was banned from ign lol. I quoted some guy that won't play SF4 unless akuma's in it (he's said the same thing 20 times all over the forum there) and I replied that no one gives a damn.

So I get banned for being "mean" and writing the word "damn" which was censored. But the guy that I quoted wrote "fuck" which was also censored but he wasn't banned.

Oh well, one less shitty site to visit.

Back to the video though, I've got all of the button edits done, so now I'm adding subtitles so they know whats going on besides just characters moving with a joystick at the bottom.

after that it should be just splicing it all together.


dude, i stopped visiting that site years ago! you're not going to miss much...

[ShinjiGohan]

lol I know, the only thing that gets me is that I get banned and he isn't punished either. but whatever.

[Kyōsuke]

Back to the video though, I've got all of the button edits done, so now I'm adding subtitles so they know whats going on besides just characters moving with a joystick at the bottom.

Subs in spanish too =P

[ShinjiGohan]

but you already know all this stuff

[Kyōsuke]

damn >_<

*banned*

[Akutabi Gamma]

Shinji, you should've just posted that he will be in the game but in the final build; when the game is released.....in addition to having said how u don't give a damn about Gouki.

[ShinjiGohan]

shoulda woulda. In all honest I hope gouki is not in another fighting game. and I'm not concerned about the ban. I have no regrets.

[metalmike31216]

Are there any differences between SF EX Plus and SF EX Plus Alpha?

[Saotome Kaneda]

Are there any differences between SF EX Plus and SF EX Plus Alpha?
More charas? I can't remember. I know that EX -> EX+ fixed infs.

[ShinjiGohan]

I think they might have fixed a jugglable AA from C.Jacks final punch to crazy jack super.

removed betas c.hp being special cancelable thus fixing his infinite. Outside of that though, I don't remember anything else. Though I didn't play EX on arc much :(

[ShinjiGohan]

I uploaded a short clip of skullos momentary. there is a gap between the skullohead and skullo slider that you can reverse if you care to try. and this is obviously done (s described) on a program pad. I guess with practice you can do it more consistently like this but I wouldn't bet a match on it, or even a tournament.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQeqcPJAiyk

[gen]

I uploaded a short clip of skullos momentary. there is a gap between the skullohead and skullo slider that you can reverse if you care to try. and this is obviously done (s described) on a program pad. I guess with practice you can do it more consistently like this but I wouldn't bet a match on it, or even a tournament.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQeqcPJAiyk

how easy is it to tag right thru that? also, block damage rules don't apply?

[ShinjiGohan]

you're aiming for a tag just before the slider hits and with 21 frames to work with it shouldn't be that difficult especially with a little practice.

I tested out block damage, it seems that it just doesn't apply to momentary cancels. only from supercanels from specials, and supers to supers (meteors including if you have emotional flow)

[ShinjiGohan]

this is a bit of a preview of how it looks. obviously I have the uncompressed version on my harddrive but I'm looking for feed back on subtitles, screen placement (joysticks are fixed at that position so don't bother mentioning those lol). Maybe wording it a bit differently.
http://www.streetfighterex.info/preview.avi

[Kyōsuke]

Looks cool! the subtitles can be a bit smaller I guess... but the important thing here is that I know all this stuff lol

[ShinjiGohan]

yeah, actually I'm thinking of leaving it softsubbed. But yeah when theres lots of text it can be a bit of a space hog. However the subs for blocking and air throws were better since I had more timeline to work with. and could space out the subs.

[gen]

WOW, looks really nice shinji!

[ShinjiGohan]

no matches from last night. forgot the tapes. However I was playing on stick so I didn't do well, but when I switched back to a gamepad and put that in the multitap for some 3 player action, I noticed my execution just went down the drain. I couldn't link normals, momentary or even 2 in1 worth shit.

Could that have been caused by the multi tap? Or that I was just out of the zone because of playing on stick for most of the night.

[gen]

got a couple matches in over at the local game store again but damn did i suck! tried my main team and did so bad that i switched to a couple different teams... that didn't help LOL!

I wasn't using my normal game pad either so that might have been the cause, so i can imagine what a switch from stick to pad might do to your execution.

[ShinjiGohan]

yeah to top it off, I don't think Iwas using my personal gamepad.

[gen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG_FbOfl_MM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-WZDN2XO0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzXAdwrujjU

got 3 vids... i have a lot of work to do on my chun but hey, practice is practice!

[ShinjiGohan]

lol someone uploaded masterakumas SFEX3 combo video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mTrE-appbw

[ShinjiGohan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KYchAiw-I

darun taunt usage in ex2+

[DigificWriter]

Hi. I was wondering something: if I was going to try and find one of the EX games online and buy it used, which is the best?

[ShinjiGohan]

depends on the type of game you like. if you like odl school sf2, than EX+a is what you want. if you like the alpha games thean EX2+ is for you. and if you like old school with a little spice than EX3 is good.

[Akutabi Gamma]

lol someone uploaded masterakumas SFEX3 combo video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mTrE-appbw

Would I get brain damage if I watch that?

[ShinjiGohan]

with all of the useless special effects he put in there, yeah probably lol

[Akutabi Gamma]

Heh heh
BTW in SFEX2P;
I can't seem to SC Vega's Scissor Kick into his Kick super or P. Cannon, any tips to help me with this?

[ShinjiGohan]

start charging again as soon as you input the scissor kick, and wait until you appear to be on the ground before doing the pc.

[gen]

question, is the ground scissor kick to p.cannon a link or does it just seem like a link?

[ShinjiGohan]

seems like it, because you are canceling out of his ground recovery frmo the scissor knee.

[StuartHayden]

Finally got EX3. I'm probably going to run Rosso/Arena. Any tips?

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

Finally got EX3. I'm probably going to run Rosso/Arena. Any tips?

Learn to psychic Canassa.
As for Area, she's not one of my better fighters...

[ShinjiGohan]

For rosso tips, checks infested jesters rosso faq in gamefaq. It pretty much has everything you need to know.


similarly Nekki has a area faq on gamefaq as well. so check those out.

[thedude.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5CRgnV-Khs&NR=1 <--- what the ?? no damage scaling ?

[Luigi-Bo 87]

:rofl:

The sfx made it 10 times funnier

"Doon, DOON"

[ShinjiGohan]

I'm pretty sure that its on high damage... but it seems like a simple enough combo to try out.

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

:rofl:

The sfx made it 10 times funnier

"Doon, DOON"

I was laughing my ass off looking at that shit. Reminds me of Mahvel somewhat with the character-on-each-side traps.

[ShinjiGohan]

experiementing with skullo and dark, what I've found (likely useless lol)

dark (on block)
j.hp, c.mk, dark wire, mk.momentary, c.mk, dark wire, tag, c.mk, dark wire, mk.momentary
skullo
skullo catch move

and some stupid skullo shenagins
j.hk, c.mp, s.mp, mk.skullo slider, mp. skullo ball, meaty hk.skullo slider, lp. skullo ball, meaty hk.skullo slider, (first ball hits), hp.momentary, (2nd ball hits), skullo dive, super skullo crusher (aerial)

[metalmike31216]

Does skullo have skullo ball in EX 3?

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

Does skullo have skullo ball in EX 3?

Yeah, he does. It's not bad either.

[metalmike31216]

Yeah, he does. It's not bad either.

Whats the command for it?

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

Whats the command for it?

Shit, fuck if I know. EX3 has a command list though, go check it out.

[metalmike31216]

Shit, fuck if I know. EX3 has a command list though, go check it out.

eah,just found it. I don't know how I forgot about it:xeye:

[ShinjiGohan]

btw the skullo thing only works if the opponent doens't block the skullo slide, or mess up a reversal and get hit by it.

[TarkanX]

Are there any videos from MWC 2008? How many entered EX3? Did Webster get to play Justin in EX2+?

[ShinjiGohan]

i have some casuals recorded for ex3 but it was just between dai, donnie and myself.

7 people entered ex3. which was better than ex2+ last year with a better time slot.

webster had no money so he didn't mm justin, nor did he enter any games

[TarkanX]

Another question, you had a post that listed a bunch of tactics and strategies "Cancels", "Chains", "Monetaries (sp?)," etc... do you still have that list? Can you post it again? Thanks.

[ShinjiGohan]

do you mean the topics of the tutorial video?

[ShinjiGohan]

++moves
++specials
++supers
++throw
++air throw
++surprise blow
++tag
++tag restrictions
++momentaries
++critical parades
++tag meteors
++blocking
++links
++chains
++2 in 1
++super cancels
+-cross ups
+-corner
+-cornermovers/super
+-tick throw
+-tech throw
+-meaty throw
++momentarytagsurpriseblow
++karacanceling
++kara surpriseblow/ kara tag???
++meaty surprise blow
+-defensive juggle
+-tag juggles
+-tag combo
+-weights
+-block damage
+-deadbody
+-emotional flow
+-crticalparadeglitch
+-perfect throw timing counters
+inputrequirements for motion moves
+input requirements for charge moves
+input requirements for tap moves
+input requirements for special cancels
+input requirements for super cancels
+input requirements for surprise blow cancels

[EmblemLord]

Can I get tiers for EX2+ please?

[ShinjiGohan]

I don't play much of EX2+ but from my understanding its something like this
top
sharon
rosso
dark
area
maybe garuda and bison

mid
just about everyone else

[EmblemLord]

What exactly decides tier list placings in this game.

Seems like everyone has devastating combos in this game thanks to the combo system being so free and because the excel system.

So is it effectiveness/usefulness of special moves and how good your pokes are?

What are some other factors? Maybe it's how easy a character can set-up for combos or how easy it is for some to shut down other characters thanks to lockdown strats etc.

Fill me in plz.

[ShinjiGohan]

Sharon is quick and has lots of mix ups

Rosso has good rushdown and any landed excel could lead to his infinite which shouldn't be that difficult to execute.

Dark has that ambigious cross up into a damaging excel combo which can be set up to lead to another ambigious cross up

Area has great normals and is able to control lots of space with download and upload specials.

Garuda and Bison are just seemingly well balanced characters with easy damaging combos/excels.

but as I said, I don't play much EX2+ much less at a competitive level so I could be wrong, but those seemed to be the general opinions shown in this threads eariler postings (back when it was more EX and EX2+ talk than EX3).

[EmblemLord]

Been playing EX2+ alot more with a buddy of mine.

We really like the game.

I love all the offensive options. Meter lets you do sooooooooooooooo much in this game. Excel means you can rushdown like a beast for a few seconds. Tick throws become a huge threat to your opponent in this state and you get invincibility on start-up so jump ins become super viable. And if you get a hit in, well your opponent is in for some pain.

Speaking of jump ins, they seem to be alot safer in comparison to other Street Fighters. I'm not saying spam it as an approach tactic, because basic footsie games on the ground with walking is always best, but it is definitely more abusable then in other Street Fighters. This is due to the faster triangle jumps of the game. People hate on it because it's different, but so what? It just means faster more offensive gameplay IMO.

Guard breaks is a nice addition IMO and you cancel into them from supers. You might be able to cancel into them from specials too, but I have to test it.

Cross-ups are easier to do compared to other Street Fighters as well. The timing is much less strict and characters seem to have larger hitboxes behind them compared to other Street Fighters.

Propjectiles suck if you use them the same way as other Street Fighters. I don't think they should be used with HP for max speed, which makes them a pressure tool. I think they are better when used with LP as a slow projectile for containment/control. It forces your opponent to deal with something while you close in or mess with your spacing. Of course at closer distances you should probably use the HP version for pressure.

Still overall projectiles aren't that great. Too easy to react to and jump over. Area gets off easy since she has alot of control over her projectile. Sagat's is pretty good too. Ryu and Ken have it the worst. I don't count Kairi since his isn't a true projectile, but it's great as a pressure tool.

Also I love that pretty much every character can do crazy combos as long as they have at least 2 bars of meter. So come backs are always possible and all the powerful offensive options keeps the game more balanced IMO. Some characters like Sharon and Rosso are clearly monsters, but all the options means that even a low tier can give them a good run.

It's a really fun and different game and I'm going to post my thoughts about a tier list and go over each character as I talk about stuff.

I need to get EX3. ^_^

[Akutabi Gamma]

How do you do Rosso's Infinite in EX2+?

[ShinjiGohan]

haven't really tried it but its is essentially an excel (c.hk, bunch of normals to get the opponent higher and end excel with qcf+lp, f+hp), and then repeat c.lk, qcf+lp, f+hp (after excel sequence ends)

[EmblemLord]

Shinji, you need to bust out the EX2+ again and start fooling around.

I wanna tier this game and do character write-ups so fucking bad.

But I want to see other educated opinions on characters as well.

[ShinjiGohan]

it'll be busted out when my cab is finished, but I'll be likely playing EX2 or EX3 over EX2+

[EmblemLord]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Ok that's cool. I think I'll do a right up on Pullum since I think she is interesting.

Pullum looked like garbage to me at first, but when I started playing around with her I was pleasantly surprised. She has some good rushdown and block pressure. For starters she has a good poke game especially her s.hk. 2 of her special moves are safe on block which is great for block pressure. The moves that are safe are qcf + k, and qcb + mk. All k versions of qcf + k seem to be safe as and all the aerial versions seem safe, but that will vary depending on your spacing.

Qcb + k can dodge moves coming in at a low trajectory and bypass them. She can also combo into a super after the mk version hits and doing the HK version after any normal gives her a good no meter BnB. She can do qcf + k in the air as well as on the ground which gives her alot of control over her spacing and movement which is a great advantage. Her qcf + k in the air seems to take a lesson from Dhalsim's drill, but since this is a special move and not a command move it seems to have a bit more priority and the travel speed is a bit faster. It does have a tiny bot more start up then Dhalsim's drill, but it's very small and completely negligible.

Her k throw sets up for cross-ups easily and she also happens to have the best cross up move in the game. Her back + mk is just awesome and made for cross-ups. The only bad thing is that her jump is quite floaty especially in comparison to most of the hyper fast jump ins that the other characters have. So to get a cross-up you have to make good use of guessing games.Since she can drill in the air you can do jump towards your opponent on wake-up and sometimes drill into them for block pressure or some times just go for b + mk. Also for the record a qcf + k can lead to some nasty stuff. After hit she can go into c.mk, qcb + mk, qcb qcb + k for some good damage.

She also has the ability to give herself another jump in the air with qcb + p. lp version makes her jump back, mp version makes her jump straight up and hp version makes her jump forward. This is really just for mindgames and extra spacing control. You could jump in during wake-up and bait a DP then use qcb + p to get away then drill down to the ground quickly and then combo your opponent when they come down. You could also use it just to make your jump ins trickier in general. It's not to be abused IMO, but it makes her much more unpredictable.

Her only real weakness and the main thing that keeps her from top tier, is that her supers are a little lackluster. They are pretty weak overall and only one of them is really worth using meter for from what I can tell. That would be her qcb qcb + k. qcf qcf + p does very little damage and the angle at which it appears isn't good at all. It would have been beiter if it was more angled downwards. qcf qcf + k is harder to combo into since the start-up has her do a front flip before she charges up. You can combo it from c. mk, but the timing is stricter then comboing into qcb qcb + k. With this super timing for the cancel is much easier and you can combo into after qcb + k which would only do one point less then c. mk to qcf qcf + k.

Also, since I forgot to mention this before, Pullum has a dragon punch move with the kick buttons. And she gets the usual invincibility on start-up. The DP has a nice upwards arc and gets more horizontal coverage then Ryu's or Kairis DP so that's good.

So, overall Pullum isn't lacking at all. She is a great character. If she has slightly more damaging supers that has more comboability and a slightly faster jump for a better a cross-up game she would have been top tier easily. But as it stands she is still awesome and one of the better characters in the game.

IMHO Pullum is high tier material.

[Donkus]

Sorry to go a bit off course for a second guys, but I was wondering: a lot of us feel the EX series has received unfair criticism due to its 3D layout compared to classic SF. Now that SF4 has the same style, will we see the same complaints (like the never defined "floaty jumps") that dogged EX? Somehow, I doubt it.

I haven't been able to play it yet, but after watching a few match vids it reminds me of EX more than others in the classic series, with the ability to cancel moves for meter looking suspiciously like an EX3 tag cancel.

[Nine Inch]

Anyone have a good excel for Dhalsim and Guile? For both ground and anti-air.
I've seen a really good Dhalsim vs Guile in the video below, but i can't figure out how they do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owFRjHrCZ0c

[Saotome Kaneda]

Sorry to go a bit off course for a second guys, but I was wondering: a lot of us feel the EX series has received unfair criticism due to its 3D layout compared to classic SF. Now that SF4 has the same style, will we see the same complaints (like the never defined "floaty jumps") that dogged EX? Somehow, I doubt it.

I haven't been able to play it yet, but after watching a few match vids it reminds me of EX more than others in the classic series, with the ability to cancel moves for meter looking suspiciously like an EX3 tag cancel.
Look around the SF4 board more, a lot of people who haven't touched the game are calling it EX4 and crying about the "floaty" jumps, just like old times.

[Ultima]

The people who are calling it EX4 are all wrong though. Moreover, no one who has actually played the game and/or seen it in person refers to it as such.

[Saotome Kaneda]

The people who are calling it EX4 are all wrong though. Moreover, no one who has actually played the game and/or seen it in person refers to it as such.
That's the point. lol

[ShinjiGohan]

not that SF4 being like EX is a bad thing though. but obviously people will make judgement without playing it, or barely playing it and claim that its like a game that they didn't even play.

[geadom]

Hey, sup, im a player from the Dominican Republic, that plays almost anything. Here in this country, EX @ and (to a lesser extent, due to Excels) EX2 plus (the two PS versions) were VERY POPULAR games in one point, and to this day, almost every fighter in the country knows how to play xD.

My true intention is, recently i found some EX3 players, that still play to this day, and im really intersted in learning how to play the game. So, where i do begin? I played EX and EX2, and i know some of the mechanics, but EX3 seems like a complete different game. Any pointers?

Also: I might record some matches of the boys. They seem very good (even tho i dont know much about this game).

Any help would be really appreciated.

[Kyōsuke]

You can watch our videos, my YouTube account is filled with matches, they have good level, so you may find a lot of interesting things, if you have any question you can always ask, and, as I suppose that you speak spanish, I can help you even more easier.

http://www.youtube.com/user/IHX

http://www.youtube.com/user/shinjig

http://www.youtube.com/user/Messatsu79

http://www.youtube.com/user/solgen9

[Nine Inch]

Hmm, no one can figure out the exact button sequence for that Dhalsim excel in that video link i posted? I still can't figure it out. Need another anti-air excel for Dhalsim too, one which works for most characters, maybe another for the smaller characters like Nanase and Area. Need ground excel and anti-air excel for Guile too... would be great if anyone knows about these 2.

[ShinjiGohan]

In other notes, I finished my arcade cab so I've got EX, EX+, Ex2, EX2+, TGM and my PS2 hooked up to it. So far only american controls, but plan on wiring up the sanwa and p360 controllers eventually.

Which reminds me, I'm not sure if this is an issue with my controller, but as Vega in EX3 I was double tapping forward and I got his backflip. AFAIK this was done solely as double tapping back. So is it also forward that works? Or is it just the spring in my controller thats quickly hitting back twice when I do forward?

[Saotome Kaneda]

ok I've been looking at this post for a while now and I have to ask something. what do you mean?

It was a weak troll attempt. Ignore him.

[ShinjiGohan]

Hmm, no one can figure out the exact button sequence for that Dhalsim excel in that video link i posted? I still can't figure it out. Need another anti-air excel for Dhalsim too, one which works for most characters, maybe another for the smaller characters like Nanase and Area. Need ground excel and anti-air excel for Guile too... would be great if anyone knows about these 2.

from what I can tell, this was basically his excel in his maniac mode, though I don't know the exact buttons for it, that was what it had looked like.

[Kyōsuke]

Which reminds me, I'm not sure if this is an issue with my controller, but as Vega in EX3 I was double tapping forward and I got his backflip. AFAIK this was done solely as double tapping back. So is it also forward that works? Or is it just the spring in my controller thats quickly hitting back twice when I do forward?

I was double tapping back and forward but nothing happen, only with KKK...

[ShinjiGohan]

ok finally got around to capturing and uploading the casual matches from Evo north between dai, Donnie and myself. I started out pretty bad it looks like but I make a come back towards the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaBidN8Sxf8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY2-msHbw3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDPBwjepBHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UETq5ZFaJD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiMo48ltdb0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzHoiFP0r_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5gYvy-zN-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtWfN4Coj_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrJh6IsAN5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5HwJsBfnXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm8U-6TLi1Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJeBnDi1SoQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e43u9FiKbrQ

[Alternate275]

Oh wow. Nice matches =D

[Nine Inch]

I need help for a Hokuto excel :
cr mk, cr hk X 2, hp, lp, j mp, mk, hp, hk, excel ends cr mp and j hp or hk.

I always have a problem when i try this excel on smaller characters like chun-li, nanase and area. The jumping mk always misses, is there a way to complete the excel?

[HeLGeN-X]

I'm going to go fucking NUTS if I don't complete Dhalsim's final Expert Mode challenge, I don't even think I did it back in the days when this game first came out, does anybody know how to make the FP connect after the air super!? You can control it in mid-air, I know that, but no matter what I do, the FP NEVER connects!

If anyone has a video, PLEASE hook me up with it, thanks.

[Hatred Edge]

I got EX2+. Goddamn. Expert mode, the last few challenges are something.

I don't really like the music but it's a cool game. Wanted to play Akuma though.

[HeLGeN-X]

Never mind, I FINALLY got Dhalsim's last Expert Mode challenge complete!

Made a short video of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMffACCQSLM

[ShinjiGohan]

Some more combos found on youtube
Guile Combos in EX2+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRr0McZzOvE
rosso combos in EX2+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPya236Fu6M

[ShinjiGohan]

I'm gonna get some EX3 casuals tomorrow vs Dai, but neither of us have played since evo north so I probably won't bother to record the matches since it'll be covered in rust lol.

and apparently I've been challenged by a SFEX+a player thats now living in chicago, so I might get some EX1 matches going too.

[Phoenix Wright]

This game needs online play. Everyone, flood the GGPO forums =).

[ShinjiGohan]

either that or 2DF, I've openned up topics in both forums and neither gained any momentum.

[archetype]

Good shit!

[CoosCoos]

Myself and ADVIII played EX3 the other day.

Sharon is too godlike. <3

[ShinjiGohan]

Bison combos EX2+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hog8o2W8i2I

Guile combos EX2+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRr0McZzOvE

SFEX+a combos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkWQyAzT_04

[ShinjiGohan]

Sharon combo mid match in EX2+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-HkjDe9AEc

note that she had the "free excel" bonus which is why it lasted as long as it did. But still, that sucks for the other guy.

[Virtua_Leon]

Bison combos EX2+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hog8o2W8i2I

Guile combos EX2+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRr0McZzOvE

SFEX+a combos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkWQyAzT_04

ahh i recently got back into ex2plus alpha, ex is probably the only game i actually love dictator, i have trouble with his combos though especilly cancelling his PC from his scissors i can only do it like 5 out of 10 times is there any specific button i have to use for the scissors? anything i should be doing?

[ShinjiGohan]

its a late cancel. so charge it like normal
B charge, forward+k, immediately charge back, and after the 2nd hit of the knee press do the F, B, F+P.

Or you could do it so the knee press only hits once (from a distance or meaty attack), then you can do
charge back, f+k, back, f+p (k also works in this set up)

[Virtua_Leon]

its a late cancel. so charge it like normal
B charge, forward+k, immediately charge back, and after the 2nd hit of the knee press do the F, B, F+P.

Or you could do it so the knee press only hits once (from a distance or meaty attack), then you can do
charge back, f+k, back, f+p (k also works in this set up)

is that K with any button? because to me if you use say LK they look to far for the PC to connect.

Oh yeah and excel after tiger genocide give me some clues, since 1999 i've never been able to figure it out, although i haven't really knuckled down and tried it, but i know it's something like tiger uppercut super cancel into tiger genocide, it sort of hits funny then sagat is able to jump excel and continue, what are the exact specifics?

cheers

[kazamamaster]

I'm a fan of the Ex series. I'd say I play more Ex than any of the other street fighters. Good to see I'm not the only one! I did want to ask. Where's a good place to get the soundtrack for Street Fighter Ex3 or the very first Ex for PSX?

[ShinjiGohan]

Ebay is really your best chance and place to get it. Or japanese yahoo auctions.

[kazamamaster]

Ebay is really your best chance and place to get it. Or japanese yahoo auctions.

Since I've been watching some of your vids, I've got to say I didn't know in SFex3 you could hit the oponent with an attack with the team member who tags in. Does a command have to be entered during the process of tagging in or before they come in? Does the command have to be charged to some extent?

Discuss please.

[Kyōsuke]

After changing your character... you can attack the opponent only for a second, the best you can do is to try a short combination on that moment, like: C.MK + Hadouken, this serves as a link, in order that your another character can continue with the combo...

[ShinjiGohan]

you mean a tag combo?

its fairly simple, when a normal or special move hits (when you're still on the ground) you can press the "change" button to tag out. Doing so eliminates the recovery animation from the preceding hit, and allows you to attack again for a combo by the same character until the tagged in character gets to where you are and then he takes over.

if you time your attacks right, you shouldn't have any problem doing something like
HP, tag, HP
the tagged in character should then have time to follow up with
HP

thats the most basic tag combo but you get the idea now.