Street fighter EX thread(EX, EX+, Ex+@, EX2, EX2+, EX3)

[altron1x]

Jester used kairi and rosso a lot too, especially against good opponents lol

Well I did not know that since the amount of match vids for ex3 is really small in number, although I will admit I haven't really gone on youtube looking for vids.

[ShinjiGohan]

http://www.streetfighterex.info/sfex3/video/combos/MikeZrequests2.avi

[1/2Man1/2God]

I think we went over this but does Capcom have rights over any of the non SF characters in SFEX, like Kairi,Skullo,Hayate..any of them? Becuase I know Arika owns Blair and Allen becuase they were in Fighting Layer.But Skullo,Hayate,Hokuto,D.Dark,& Pullum appear in Capcom's "Capcom Design Works" Artbook.

[ShinjiGohan]

As far as I know, they only exist in the SFEX series itself. And no other. So ARIKA can not put them in a new game or anything unless both Capcom and ARIKA decide to make another SFEX game.

[1/2Man1/2God]

As far as I know, they only exist in the SFEX series itself. And no other. So ARIKA can not put them in a new game or anything unless both Capcom and ARIKA decide to make another SFEX game.

oh ok

[Kyōsuke]

Well I did not know that since the amount of match vids for ex3 is really small in number, although I will admit I haven't really gone on youtube looking for vids.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=IHX

Good job Shinji with the vids... the last one it's very funny =D

[JackTenrac!]

Well met, sir @ Sakura death...

...that went well.

[Return of Shiki]

God Tier:

Kairi
Evil Ryu
*Ace




Top Tier:

Rosso
Dhalsim
Garuda - only here due to his CP
Shadow
Bison
D. Dark
Area
Ryu
Guile


Middle Tier:

Ken
Blanka
Zangief
Darun
Chun Li
Skullomania
Pullum
Sharon - borders on bottom tier depending on opponent
Sagat
Hokuto
C. Jack

Bottom Tier:

Nanase
Vega
Sakura

I dunno, what do you guys think about these tiers. Based on Kyousuke's videos, I 'd say Sharon, Sagat, and Nanase are better than that.

I dunno, but I think that this game has pretty balanced tiers, like Virtua Fighter and Vampire Savior.
By that I mean...some characters are definitely better than others, but no one is really useless. Worst character in the game is probably Vega because they messed him up making him SOOOOO much slower than he's supposed to be, but even he still has some stuff.

[ShinjiGohan]

On one hand you have to think. How many people made up these tiers? From NA, its based on their matches and formerly tournaments back several years ago. But that group at its best consisted of what? 10 players at most.

And they stuck with what worked. While I'd be the first to admit that senseis nanase was annoying (played him a couple times a few years ago), was it on par with Kyosuke's? I can't say.

Can you name Nanase's Strengths? Or Sharons? Or Sagats?

For sagat, you have to think, what does he have to make him above ryu? AA? No, Ryu likely has more invincibility frames, plus his timing for a shoryuken XX shinku tatsumaki loop is ore reliable than Sagats Tiger Blow XX Tiger Genocide loop (which pretty much ends with that, and as soon as they get to the corner).

A super quick Tiger Cannon? Most of the time, you can see it coming and block, and unless your stuck in a projectile recovery you're safe (but same can be said with Shinku Hadouken).

But yea, this game mid tiers play evenly with high tiers. And most of these tiers are based on options. Which is again why I asked, what Nanase or Sharon had that could compete with a top teir character?

[ShinjiGohan]

alright you pig fuckers I don't like you and you don't like me j/k lol

But DreamTR has promised to throw an EX tournament, and this year at Evo North he's throwing an arcade SFEX2+ tournament. He won't budge on console, arcade only, so EX2+ it's gotta be.

I want all of ya'll to make it out and give this thang a good turn out.

[Kyōsuke]

I dunno, what do you guys think about these tiers. Based on Kyousuke's videos, I 'd say Sharon, Sagat, and Nanase are better than that.

You're definitely right, I don't agree with this list...

I dunno, but I think that this game has pretty balanced tiers, like Virtua Fighter and Vampire Savior.
By that I mean...some characters are definitely better than others, but no one is really useless.

Yeah, this game is very balanced, and of course there are better characters than others...

Worst character in the game is probably Vega because they messed him up making him SOOOOO much slower than he's supposed to be, but even he still has some stuff

You mean Balrog?, well I like Balrog, I only miss his PPP Back Slash...

And they stuck with what worked. While I'd be the first to admit that senseis nanase was annoying (played him a couple times a few years ago), was it on par with Kyosuke's? I can't say.

My Nanase is the best Nanase in the world, you know >.>

But yea, this game mid tiers play evenly with high tiers. And most of these tiers are based on options. Which is again why I asked, what Nanase or Sharon had that could compete with a top teir character?

Nanase can compete with any character and can do it without problems like in my videos, and Sharon too...

[Return of Shiki]

Yeah, I suppose Ryu's Tatsumaki (plus Air Shinkuu Tatsumaki) gives him a lot more options (and safety) than Sagat.
Sagat just does big damage. Tiger Genocide is one of the most damaging Level 1 Supers and can combo off just about anything. Tiger CHOW is unbelievably fast and can punish just about anything from any range (though it doesn't do that much damage). Tiger RAPE is about the same as Tiger Genocide but with a little less damage and better range, so it's better at linking off of pokes.
Less invincible frames than Ryu, yes to be sure...but Sagat makes up for it with better range and more power. I don't know if it makes him better than Ryu, but he's still pretty good.

[JackTenrac!]

Wouldn't Chun be Top Tier because of her momentary, infinite, close range normals and damage taking? or did her crouching HK lose priority from EX?

...that went well.

[Infested Jester]

Wouldn't Chun be Top Tier because of her momentary, infinite, close range normals and damage taking? or did her crouching HK lose priority from EX?

...that went well.

Crouch HK is ok, not sure how godly it was in the other EXs. Her infinite is pretty tough, outside of combo vids I've only looped maybe 3 times in an actual match. Aces infinite on the other hand. :rofl:

Sharon is ranked low simply because she doesn't have too many options. Once you get around the cross up MK mix ups her other stuff has too many gaps in it......momentaries and change ups from her specials can be seen easily. If they had closed the gaps on some of her moves then she'd probably be tops.

Again, middle tier isn't saying they are useless, just the win/loss ratio for them isn't as good as the tops, they simply have too many bad matches where the others have only 1 or 2. Same for Sagat, all the tops I listed won't have an uphill battle against him.

I suppose the list could use an update, but I doubt the changes would be that signifigant. You also have to take into account how some of these characters do without a partner, or more importantly a specific partner.

[JackTenrac!]

I understand that. Just surprised at this tier list. Sorry that I put too much faith into her normal's range. Li's normals seem to do that.

...that went well.

[Donkus]

Yeah, I suppose Ryu's Tatsmuckin' poo-kick (plus Air Shinkuu Tatsmuckin' poo-kick gives him a lot more options (and safety) than Sagat.
Sagat just does big damage. HIGHER GASLINE is one of the most damaging Level 1 Supers and can combo off just about anything. Tyguh CHOW is unbelievably fast and can punish just about anything from any range (though it doesn't do that much damage). EYEGUR RAY is about the same as HIGHER GASLINE but with a little less damage and better range, so it's better at linking off of pokes.


Fixed it with the correct character sounds.

Sagat also had the nice property of causing good damage in fireball wars since jumping over a fireball forces the opponent to eat a super fireball. But as far as I know he has never had any way to force the opponent to stay at long range.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok, getting ready for MWC. However I did mess with the vega CP to throw with shadowgeist doing his aerial skullo dream.

However Vegas follow up to the scarlet terror did not land. Why? Best I can reason is the difference between the skullo dream and giefs aerial slam.

The only difference that I see, is that during the aerial slam, the characters are not frozen so Vega is allowed to finish his scarlet terror move so by the time the aerial slam is finished vega is already in the air.

However with the skullo Dream, the characters are frozen, so when the skullo dream ends, Vega is still recovering from his scarlet terror move and isn't even in the air yet. and by the time he takes to the air, the opponent has already stood up.

So the follow up doesn't land.

Of course you may be asking why don't you wait for the skullo dream until the scarlet terror is finished. The answer for that is that by the time the scarlet terror finishes, the opponent has been launched above the lifebars and Shadowgeist can't jump that high lol.

I'll upload the clip soon, but the transcript for now is as follows

Vega: c.hk, meaty s.hk, s.hp, critical parade
Shadowgeist: s.mp, head stomp, jump
Vega: scarlet terror, follow up
Shadowgeist: Aerial Skullo Dream (try to finish the motions for the follow up annd skullo dream at the same time).


edit
http://www.streetfighterex.info/sfex3/video/combos/VegaShadow.avi

[Nine Inch]

You guys have any SFEX2 matches to watch? Besides those on youtube...

[ShinjiGohan]

there are some in my mediamax account.

http://www.mediamax.com/shinjigohan

[Nine Inch]

Thanks, does anyone know of any good excel combos for Guile ( SFEX2 )?
I'm not very good with him, and it seems difficult to execute those anti-air excels which makes use of his crouching MP, HK and flash kick especially on those smaller characters like Area and maybe Sharon. Would be great if someone could post what kind of excels (input list please:sweat: ) they use here. Both ground and anti-air excels, thanks:)

[Rico!]

I uploaded all the recent SFEX2+ matches from A-cho

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sWzutIhjg-0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=34EpQ0RrdJ4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2IxiAS_sm78
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tY_Lj25ocZo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YMg_EtdBpbo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hghc4ls7rCU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MTZFTpkRSIs

KEEP IT GOIN'

[JackTenrac!]

Just saw the first. I'll write more here later. Btw ...A3 quote in an EX thread? :rofl:

...that went well.

[Infested Jester]

WOW! just read through the whole thing. good stuff!

Gen where are you? :looney: PM me, email me,...something.

[Evilryu2K2]

that vega/shadow CP sure looks weird with that resolution:looney:

still, i liked it:wgrin:
do you have something with shadow and garuda?

i suppose that a3 quote on ex board is for me :P
well to put it simply, i like this quote a lot... so i use it for pretty much all the forums i usually post ;)

[ShinjiGohan]

Gen where are you? :looney: PM me, email me,...something.


He just released some matches on youtube. Though it looks like he lost more than he won.

9inch, I don't know much about guile, or his excels :-\. I'm just starting to learn Darks Excels for Evo north.

Best I can suggest is goto gamefaq and modify one of the guile maniac combos.

[gen]

Gen where are you? :looney: PM me, email me,...something.

sent you a PM check it out!

anyway, here are a couple matches from the island:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVcXR8qYYsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChZyuo6lmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8cFOcodXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF_HBgpOQaY


we didn't play for long so i'm still using Dark/bison in this one. maybe next time i'll try a different character.

[gen]

Vid time
http://www.streetfighterex.info/sfex3/video/matches/FRXtape1part2.mpg

uploading part 1, and still have to record the 2nd tape (rerecord it that is).

I've got the method of recording down, so the 2nd tape should be better quality with audio sync.

For this release though, the first match is a money match IIRC, then a couple 4 player matches until I start playing (pullum and D.dark team on player 2 side). I then had 4 matches against AlphaKami, and then 7 matches against his friend.


hey shinji, i know am a little late to comment but here goes anyway. I'm only going to comment on the D. Dark matches as that is one of my main characters.

- against chunli (and area) you might not want to use the c.jab, wire, momentary P after a successful dark hold, it just doesn't work on them. second, the jump back RH to whatever only works on chunli (and area) if you hit it early, otherwise don't bother. also, c.forward, dark wire has a tendancy to miss on either if you cought them blocking low. overall, your best bet is dark hold, explosive, momentary P, super...
D. Dark = character specific, there are also little quirks (mostly timing) when playing agianst heavy characters like zangief as well.

-against guile, from what i've experienced playing sensei, guile is just a tough BASTERED to crack! if you're not using a character that has a projectile and or a projectile super, your best bet is to use the change invinsibility frames to get a heads up (some reversals work too). when guile puts the pressure, HE PUTS THE PRESSURE!!!


otherwise GOOD stuff man, keep it up!

[Kyōsuke]

Nice matches Gen, you played well with Dark...

I'll add your vids to my favorites...

[Rico!]

Just saw the first. I'll write more here later. Btw ...A3 quote in an EX thread? :rofl:

...that went well.


I thought it was CvS2 :confused:

[gen]

Nice matches Gen, you played well with Dark...

I'll add your vids to my favorites...


thanks dude! It's been a while for me since i rarely get to play...

[ShinjiGohan]

hey shinji, i know am a little late to comment but here goes anyway. I'm only going to comment on the D. Dark matches as that is one of my main characters.

- against chunli (and area) you might not want to use the c.jab, wire, momentary P after a successful dark hold, it just doesn't work on them. second, the jump back RH to whatever only works on chunli (and area) if you hit it early, otherwise don't bother. also, c.forward, dark wire has a tendancy to miss on either if you cought them blocking low. overall, your best bet is dark hold, explosive, momentary P, super...
D. Dark = character specific, there are also little quirks (mostly timing) when playing agianst heavy characters like zangief as well.

-against guile, from what i've experienced playing sensei, guile is just a tough BASTERED to crack! if you're not using a character that has a projectile and or a projectile super, your best bet is to use the change invinsibility frames to get a heads up (some reversals work too). when guile puts the pressure, HE PUTS THE PRESSURE!!!


otherwise GOOD stuff man, keep it up!

Thanks for the comments, at last I get some actual tips on improving lol.

[Kyōsuke]

Well... it's time to release new EX3 matches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imBwu0IHRnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S9HXXP5eFw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umU-r1Bw_9Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O72HwEBgs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCV1Ad0yBqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY0UnKnWSs

[Nine Inch]

Anyone have good excels for D.Dark and V.Rosso? Ground excels that is.
I can't seem to do a good one for Dark, need an excel for punishing opponents who try to poke with c mk from a distance. I've seen people use his standing mk in excels to close the gap but don't know the combo...

Same goes for Rosso, its seems that if you excel from a distance you need his qcf+lk move to close the gap and continue the combo.

If anyone could help me with these i would be grateful, thanks!

[JackTenrac!]

I thought it was CvS2 :confused:

Cammy's theme in A3. The DJ yells it out in the first few seconds. :rofl:

...that went well.

[The Sensei]

against guile, from what i've experienced playing sensei, guile is just a tough BASTERED to crack! if you're not using a character that has a projectile and or a projectile super, your best bet is to use the change invinsibility frames to get a heads up (some reversals work too). when guile puts the pressure, HE PUTS THE PRESSURE!!!

heh, i'm still surprised after all this time that i could put pressure on you with guile of all chars... tho i still lose out to that damn bison of yours most times. i hate bison... alot.

[gen]

heh, i'm still surprised after all this time that i could put pressure on you with guile of all chars... tho i still lose out to that damn bison of yours most times. i hate bison... alot.

it's the psycho cannon man! it's the only way i could have gotten an inch on your guile... my ONLY and i mean ONLY opening was the somtimes predictable sonic boom that comes out after a string of guile's many high priority normals and special nomals. I'd pretty much kill the sonic boom with a psycho cannon, otherwise it was an uphill battle for me without a super stocked and ready to go.


I can't say the same about your zangief though, i had fun playing him... with an explosive on the ground, kill wire and standing roundhouse at my disposal, life was good for D. Dark. it's a BAD match up man!!! hehehehehehehe lol

hey shinji, i've been meaning to ask you, in a combo vid on youtube, i noticed you got dark doing a standing forward to explosive, does that work all the time for you? if it does, any particular requirement? i can't get it to hit consistently.

[gen]

Well... it's time to release new EX3 matches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imBwu0IHRnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S9HXXP5eFw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umU-r1Bw_9Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O72HwEBgs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCV1Ad0yBqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY0UnKnWSs


Cool matches man!

quick question, just out of curiousity, why don't you guys use trance hokuto?

[ShinjiGohan]

ya gotta get it close and quick.

[Kyōsuke]

Cool matches man!

quick question, just out of curiousity, why don't you guys use trance hokuto?

Thanks gen!

The reason is because my friend Messatsu likes to play more with normal Hokuto and likes to do (qcb + P or K and cancel it to B + any button)

But he plays well with Chi No Fuuin Hokuto too...

[gen]

Thanks gen!

The reason is because my friend Messatsu likes to play more with normal Hokuto and likes to do (qcb + P or K and cancel it to B + any button)

But he plays well with Chi No Fuuin Hokuto too...

Oh, i see, personal preference...


"ya gotta get it close and quick."


Thanks dude, i was woundering about that.

hey shinji, i just watched that first part of the tape. you seem to use a lot of explosive traps but you miss a lot of them... the thing is your spacing is sometimes off. depending on where you land after a successful knock down you gotta figure out whether you're far enough for a kara explosive or a normal one. If you kara (LK) explosive and you're too close the bomb drops to far behind and it doesn't explode where you want it to. also, i found that LK explosive works best for this situation.
finally, if you're using the momentary P set up, why not go for the most damaging more reliable setup while doing it (dark hold, explosive, momentary HP), you still land directly in front of them and have a chance to kara explosive.

just a thought dude... :smile:

[ShinjiGohan]

well with the kara, depending on when you kara explosive, it will vary the distance that you've traveled forward. The sooner you kara cancel the less distance traveled.

and I'm still working on the timing of explosive, hp. momentary. I got it a couple times but missed on others -shrugs-

[gen]

well with the kara, depending on when you kara explosive, it will vary the distance that you've traveled forward. The sooner you kara cancel the less distance traveled.

and I'm still working on the timing of explosive, hp. momentary. I got it a couple times but missed on others -shrugs-


hmm, makes sense!
I was playing a friend today and managed to pull off that cross up trap like half the match. most of the time he didn't know which way to block! that shit gets mad confusing when you vary the kara with the normal... you actually don't even have to hit the cross up LK.

[Infested Jester]

Shinji, I manged to get a few hours into tonight, shook the rust off Kairi/Rosso and Rosso/Pullum the most. The Pullum/Rosso semi-unblockable took some work to get back, but it's there once again. :bgrin: I think that Rosso/Area one might be unblockable as well depending on when the cross up MK actually hits during the blocked super.

Gen......you still playing 3S? I wanted to try my low tier line up against your Makoto. :wink:

[gen]

Shinji, I manged to get a few hours into tonight, shook the rust off Kairi/Rosso and Rosso/Pullum the most. The Pullum/Rosso semi-unblockable took some work to get back, but it's there once again. :bgrin: I think that Rosso/Area one might be unblockable as well depending on when the cross up MK actually hits during the blocked super.

Gen......you still playing 3S? I wanted to try my low tier line up against your Makoto. :wink:


man, i swore i answered but my post is gone apperently?????

anyway, i still play and hopefully later this year i can give you a run for your money :wgrin:


on another note, here's a clip of me doing a kara (c.HK) psycho cannon mid combo with D. Dark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVOGnokkpA0


I think this is a corner specific combo as far as Dark is concerned, but if anyone can prove me wrong... Shinji???

[ShinjiGohan]

you mean for the juggle after death blade???

From the positioning on it, that'd be my guess. Though as you'd remember the explosive, hp.momentary, deathblade allows that as well from midscreen.

though since I'm pretty sure that it really depends on the height that the character is at compared to you, something basic like c.lp, s.hk might work too (assuming the timings right so you hit the deathblade while the character is in that certain spot in the air).

For the missing post, according to forum annoucements, they did a system restore so many posts, pms and such were erased.

[gen]

you mean for the juggle after death blade???

From the positioning on it, that'd be my guess. Though as you'd remember the explosive, hp.momentary, deathblade allows that as well from midscreen.

though since I'm pretty sure that it really depends on the height that the character is at compared to you, something basic like c.lp, s.hk might work too (assuming the timings right so you hit the deathblade while the character is in that certain spot in the air).

For the missing post, according to forum annoucements, they did a system restore so many posts, pms and such were erased.

well, i tried the explosive, hp.momentary, deathblade and it juggled but i'm very inconsistent and lp, s.hk ... didn't work. don't know, maybe i'm doing something wrong???

[ShinjiGohan]

well they were both ideas lol

[gen]

hey shinji, what exactly is going on with that Dark explosive trap??? I mean, why is it so tricky to block or get out of? seriously, how are you to block when you're caught in it?

[ShinjiGohan]

as I said before the kara changes the amount that you are moved forward.

So knowing this, if you are too fast you won't cross them up at all and land in front, a couple frames later and you're behind them.

The opponent can never exactly pin down whether you'll land in front or in back, so they have to worry about blocking the cross up.

On top of that there is also that explosive on the ground. So the opponent will wonder if they should block the cross up, or the explosive. But with the explosive either on top of them or behind them, they can't really move without cause it to explode. Though they can try to reverse out of it. but if they mess up the reversal then they'll get hit by the explosive. I guess tagging through it may work too.

[Kyōsuke]

I found a couple vids of Blair Dame in Fighting Layer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JapTJw417Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxrBCiH__X8

Really, I miss her...

on another note, here's a clip of me doing a kara (c.HK) psycho cannon mid combo with D. Dark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVOGnokkpA0

Gen, because I liked your vid, I improved the last part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlkZucK9EI

[gen]

I found a couple vids of Blair Dame in Fighting Layer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JapTJw417Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxrBCiH__X8

Really, I miss her...



Gen, because I liked your vid, I improved the last part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlkZucK9EI


got a chance to try that ender out and i must say, the timing and what version of the knee press to use is tricky when doing it mid screen (depending on how early or late the kara psycho cannon hits), but it's definitely practical in a match. VERY COOL!

[ShinjiGohan]

bump, I finally got all of the characters in EX+ unlocked... gamefaq is mad wrong on the conditions to unlock. They say like 4 weeks, I had that running for almost 3 months none stop and just now they got released.

There is probably something about the number of times its turned on and off, as well as number of plays.

[ShinjiGohan]

been meaning to link this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnbuPzasRpc

good player :)

[The-Majestic]

I saw a 3d SF arcade machines(probably EX) at a local hotel the other day. I was too afraid to touch it though :( Some chick looked like she had a gun

Funny thing, it's probably one of like 2-3 FG cabinents left in town

[ShinjiGohan]

lady with a gun? yeah thats probably EX2 or EX2+, EX3 did not have an arcade release.

[Len Momono]

Who have Strategies for Doctrine Dark?

[Saotome Kaneda]

I saw a 3d SF arcade machines(probably EX) at a local hotel the other day. I was too afraid to touch it though :( Some chick looked like she had a gun

sigged lol

[Infested Jester]

Who have Strategies for Doctrine Dark?

EX1, 2, or 3?

[ShinjiGohan]

playin some EX1, I can't seem to get chun lis lightning kick thing though. None of them seem to be able to end quickly enough for her to get frame advantage... I'll keep on tryin though.

Also attempting some Zangief survival modes Satome lol. Hopefully I can get something decent going.

[Saotome Kaneda]

playin some EX1, I can't seem to get chun lis lightning kick thing though. None of them seem to be able to end quickly enough for her to get frame advantage... I'll keep on tryin though.

Also attempting some Zangief survival modes Satome lol. Hopefully I can get something decent going.
Just remember how huge SPD range is in EX1. =p Best Gief ever, IMO. Don't forget the retarded tick SPDs too.

[ShinjiGohan]

yeah, so far best I can get is only 11 wins :(

[Saotome Kaneda]

yeah, so far best I can get is only 11 wins :(
I remember getting somewhere in the 20s once before it got real retarded. =/ Keep going! :tup:

[ShinjiGohan]

got to 19, stupid controller stops reading diagnols from time to time lol, so I missed some blocks. But thats good. Though looking at some HF vids, giefs got some even crazier range on his spd

[ShinjiGohan]

ok, put 2 combo clips on youtube. Akuma and garuda. Garuda is nothing special, just some punk challenged me and thought he was the shit but can't prove it. Akuma I gotta thank maj for, I knew of the infinite but the timing is so stupid. Also the distancing for it is stupid as well.

I put up the gief run, sadly it run 13 minutes and youtube won't host it cause its so long.... well I can put it on my 1and1 site if you want Satome.

[ShinjiGohan]

lastly I found out that at least in EX3 Garuda can stop his teleport eariler by pressing punch during it. Though apparently jester already knew but he never told me lol.

[ShinjiGohan]

http://www.streetfighterex.info/SFEXpa/video/matches/ZangiefSurvialRun.mpg

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

RepreSENT Street Fighter EX3!
I'm planning on getting it..AGAIN...after having it and losing it like twice. If I recall correctly, my favorite characters were always Pullum Puruna and Nanase. Anyone know the best way to use them?

[ShinjiGohan]

for nanase, look at kyosukes vids, he has the best nanase that I know.

For pullum, he's got a decent pullum too :p. typically I rush down and press it. you have frame advantage on ground drill, kind wind helps cover up mistakes. I stand by the tried and true c.mk, mk.ten'el kick, k.momentary on the first hit and repeat. But switch it up with p.momentary. and if you mess up and combo go for the spinning kick super when you land from the ten'el kick, or on block, kind wind after 2nd hit on ten'el kick.

[Kyōsuke]

Akuma I gotta thank maj for, I knew of the infinite but the timing is so stupid. Also the distancing for it is stupid as well.

As I said to you, I never tried it before, well done!

lastly I found out that at least in EX3 Garuda can stop his teleport eariler by pressing punch during it. Though apparently jester already knew but he never told me lol.

I can't believe it! lol

RepreSENT Street Fighter EX3!
I'm planning on getting it..AGAIN...after having it and losing it like twice. If I recall correctly, my favorite characters were always Pullum Puruna and Nanase. Anyone know the best way to use them?

Basic things with Nanase:

- When an opponent jumps towards you, press C.MP, then do a J.HK and finish it with a Yayoi Toukon Gi (qcb qcb + P)
- With a partner after a change you can do a C.MP, Sanren Kon x2 (qcf + LP or MP), this allows that the partner can jump to do a combo after that...
- You can take advantage of her speed, jump and size...

Some examples you can see on my youtube account:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=IHX

[King9999]

Damn, seeing those EX3 matches makes me want to get the game.

[ShinjiGohan]

yeah, only problem will be finding local comp >.<... and probably finding the game in the first place lmao

[Edi. E]

Man, I went to a friend's house today and I finally got to play as Blair. She can be so addictive to play as. I gave my friend "the clap." Man, he kept playing as Ryu and I giggled so fucking hard that Blair was whooping him. I'm really good at 3D Fighting games, but really bad a 2d ones. Go figure. Hopefully he will let me play as Allen soon.

[gen]

:smile:lastly I found out that at least in EX3 Garuda can stop his teleport eariler by pressing punch during it. Though apparently jester already knew but he never told me lol.

can't that also be done in ex2 as well?

[ShinjiGohan]

:smile:

can't that also be done in ex2 as well?

tested, yes it can, at least in EX2+. I'll try regular EX2 in a few days.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok, gametrailers rated the 10 top worst fighting games and guess whats on it....

EX3 and the Movie game
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=20506&type=wmv

now look at the comments and see everyone saying that it shouldn't be on that list lol

[Return of Shiki]

Yes, that list from Screw Attack or gametrailers or whoever the hell they are seriously pissed me off by including SFEX3.
I don't know what makes me more angry: the fact that they included SFEX3 at all or the fact that they lumped it together with SF: The Movie.

Worst of all, they didn't even give any reason for its inclusion other than "DERR SF SHOULD NEVAR BE IN 3-D!1!"

[Vic Viper]

Yes, that list from Screw Attack or gametrailers or whoever the hell they are seriously pissed me off by including SFEX3.
I don't know what make me more angry: the fact that they included SFEX3 at all or the fact that they lumped it together with SF: The Movie.

Worst of all, they didn't even give any reason for its inclusion other than "DERR SF SHOULD NEVAR BE IN 3-D!1!"

What's worst, it ranks higher as the worst fighter than Pit Fighter: #4. And the games below it are worst than this. I even made a small post at the Screwattack forum about it and get this reply:

Why was EX3 on the list? Why was EX3 on the list? Man, we've been hearing that a lot lately. Why? For me personally there are several reasons. I personally feel the game handles like crap, the 3D doesnt work at all and in comparison to other Street Fighter games it pales in comparison. It doesnt really matter what others rated it with our lists, we think it sucks nuts. That's the beauty of lists, right? Everyone's is different.

[Donkus]

I was thinking there has to be a way to get more damage off of Ken's kick super. The most I can get off it is the old EX2+ combo: cancel, dMP, jHK, air Hurricane which is 48(super does 51 with no canceling). Is this as high as you can go without using another super? I can't ever make Ken hit the enemy with his guard break after the cancel.

There's got to be a way with tagging. I don't want to use another super with Ken but it's ok if his partner does. The trouble is keeping them in the air long enough for the partner to take over. Zangief's russian slam keeps missing. Any ideas?

[Return of Shiki]

What's worst, it ranks higher as the worst fighter than Pit Fighter: #4. And the games below it are worst than this. I even made a small post at the Screwattack forum about it and get this reply:

Show that idiot Stuttering Craig some of Kyosuke's EX3 match vids on YouTube and let's still see if he thinks the game handles like crap and is worse than Pit Fighter or Primal Rage.

I don't even get where the "handles" like crap idea comes from. For me, EX3 is one of the few games where I can do a standing 360 practically anytime I want.

[Vic Viper]

Show that idiot Stuttering Craig some of Kyosuke's EX3 match vids on YouTube and let's still see if he thinks the game handles like crap and is worse than Pit Fighter or Primal Rage.

I don't even get where the "handles" like crap idea comes from. For me, EX3 is one of the few games where I can do a standing 360 practically anytime I want.

I actually made that reply with links to IHX's match videos and Jester's combo video. I wonder if they put this vid on YouTube? Maybe I could video respond it.

[Kyōsuke]

Definitely he's one of the guys that criticizes the game without playing it, or at least not played enough...

[ShinjiGohan]

It isn't like it was expected. When you saw how crappy they were you knew they were gonna blame the controls. I mean for real, they have guile jumping over Ken of 5 seconds for no apparement reason.

[Return of Shiki]

Apparently they think all "3-D" fighters should be like Soul Calibur, in that you should be able to mash random directions and buttons and have effective moves come out...

[Saotome Kaneda]

quick question, as I was thinking of it while being stuck here in the middle of nowhere...


I remember ya'll doing an EX3 vid of a Claw/Geist combo which ended with Air Death Dream juggling. Can that be done in EX2 or was it a side effect of Claw's launch super?

[Infested Jester]

quick question, as I was thinking of it while being stuck here in the middle of nowhere...


I remember ya'll doing an EX3 vid of a Claw/Geist combo which ended with Air Death Dream juggling. Can that be done in EX2 or was it a side effect of Claw's launch super?

The Aire Death Dream can be comboed off of any single hit move that puts the opponent in a juggle state. Off the top of my head you can combo it in EX3 after Claws super, Daruns bridge, Jacks Homerun Hero, etc. In theory it could combo off of some throws done after a tag, but you'd have to throw the opponent really late and do a hop 720 to get it. Probbaly be worth testing, like Tag, SPD, juggle with Air Death Dream.


As for EX2, no way of telling since there are no teams.


Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I wasn't entirely sure what you were asking. :looney:

[gen]

I wounder if you can't excel into juggle then air demon???


anyway, anybody else notice that the timing for supercanceling certain special normals in EX3 seem to be quite strict? same goes for certain kara moves!

[Vic Viper]

Sounds like they might bash EX again on another Top 10 list:

http://forum.screwattack.com/viewtopic.php?t=7265

[ShinjiGohan]

thats what it looks like, though really, the people playing there sucked ass.

[Saotome Kaneda]

As for EX2, no way of telling since there are no teams.


Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I wasn't entirely sure what you were asking. :looney:

I understand why it works in EX3, but would it work in EX2 off of random juggle hits? (say, Death Crush XX SC Death Gov't, then random juggle hit into hop 720)? Or are juggle rules more strict in EX2 outside of Excels?

[ShinjiGohan]

the random juggle hit would have to be performed by Shadow himself. As far as I know (I'm not much of a shadow player), but he doesn't really have any juggle moves. unlike Dhalsim, jack or darun.

[ShinjiGohan]

To confirm, Garuda can not end his teleport earily in the arcade version of EX2 (no plus or anything).

[Kyōsuke]

the random juggle hit would have to be performed by Shadow himself. As far as I know (I'm not much of a shadow player), but he doesn't really have any juggle moves. unlike Dhalsim, jack or darun.

With a Guard Break when the opponent is in the air...

[Saotome Kaneda]

the random juggle hit would have to be performed by Shadow himself. As far as I know (I'm not much of a shadow player), but he doesn't really have any juggle moves. unlike Dhalsim, jack or darun.

It has to be the jugglable-till-you-fall state? or that short period during mid-air hitstun that they can be juggled?

Because if you can do what I'm thinking, then Death Gov't combos just became even better. =/

Kyosuke- Yeah, that's kinda obvious. =p But it doesn't do that in combos, right? I can't test now, but I doubt it would link off Death Gov't thanks to that stupid projectile/GB rule....

[ShinjiGohan]

from my understanding, air throws can only be done via the first state. though a bit of testing can yield the results that you desire but I doubt it.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok as some of you might have read, the EX2+ tournament at evo north has finished and here are the results

1. Justin Wong (Ryu)
2. Jeron (I recall some chunli, and blanka)
3. JoshDaFunk (V.Rosso) the only one to use excels besides me... but he remembered the actual sequence lol
4. Sabre (Ryu)
5. Myself (Zangief, D.Dark, Garuda)
5. Sirlin.

How it went from what I can recall from 2 days ago

Justin got a Bye I believe in the first round.
As did Jeron.
While I faced Sabre in the first and lost in a close set of 3.
JoshDaFunk faced Sirlin who apparently was eliminated right there, or choose not to play again one of the two.

next round
winners:
jeron vs sabre: jeron wins
joshdafunk vs justin wong: justin wins

losers:
I get a bye
David Sirlin quits so he doesn't get a bye but would have had he continued

next round
Winners:
Jeron vs Justin: winner Justin

Losers:
Myself vs JoshDaFunk: winner Josh
Sabre vs Sirlin: Sabre wins by default

Next round of Losers:
Josh vs Sabre: Josh Wins

Fight for 3rd
Josh vs Jeron: Jeron wins

grand finals:
Justin vs Jeron: Justin Wins

assuming my bracket recreation by remembering a few matches went right, thats how it should have been.

For side ex at the place.

Friday was hell, I got a spot in the corner but I ended up being surrounded by tons of Guilty Gear and Tekken players who drew crowds so no one could come through to play, and if I was in a tournament I'd have to wait half an hour to get back to my spot. Of course the Tekken players complained that I took up too much room, cause yanno, it was just me and my computer monitor that I brought from home, while they had 3-4 set ups, plus an arcade set up of Tekken 5.
But I did play against 2 people, 1 said that EX3 was too silly (complained about a statue of Shiva appearing after winning by super... but had he complaints about other games having sunbursts, vortexes and fire everywhere in other games if you win by super. He also complained that it was too hard to combo (ie no easy chain combos). The other guy admited to having the game but no one to play against and enjoyed a few sets against me.


Saturday
By the time I got there half the TV space was taken by Tekken 5 players again (5-6 Tvs), and the other half was getting ready for the CvS2 tournament. So I had to wait until CvS2 ended before I could set up, which was around 11:50pm. So I got casuals against Just Ownin I think, he complained of Tag and that there was no Dash. He also said that the new characters were "cooky". He left after a while and another person came up, I assumed he knew how to play as he picked some EX characters and tagged and threw a little bit. But after a handful of matches he left. Lastly I got the face Jeron at the end of the night, but halfway through our first match, the place turned off the power so we were forced to stop.

Today, I'll be there to get my ass handed to me in ST, and after Smash Bros finishes I try to set up some Ex again. Though Justin is going home today so he won't be there today. But maybe if I'm lucky I can get some matches in against Jeron and Josh.

I was also working on a combo on friday while waiting for challengers. Here is my goal
Kieth says:
worked on a combo there though
Kieth says:
Dhalsim: j.hp, s.hp(short), tag, s.hp(short), surprise blow
Kieth says:
Ken: j.hp, c.mp, c.mk, hp.hadouken, hk.momentary, shippo jinrai, cancel, c.lp, c,hp, shoryu reppa, shippu jinrai, cancel, tag, c.lp, lp.hadouken
Kieth says:
Dhalsim: lk.yoga blast, c.mk (slide), yoga legend, yoga drill, tag, c.mk, yoga legend
Kieth says:
Ken: j.hp, c.hp, shoryuken, shinryuken


or some variation of that.

[Return of Shiki]

Wow, sounds like you had some fun Shinji.

I'm going to do my best to start up a EX3 tournament at one of my locals in the coming weeks. If I do, I'll do my damnedest to get some matches recorded and put up.

I also spent a solid 3 weeks re-learning the game after FRX (seriously, it was like the only fighter I was playing) so hopefully I won't suck like I did at FR when it took me like an hour to remember anything after not touching the game for a few monthes.

[Infested Jester]

So I got casuals against Just Ownin I think, he complained of Tag and that there was no Dash. He also said that the new characters were "cooky". He left after a while and another person came up.

Before you beat him, did he take his Focus Factor? :rofl:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8524377290044991570&q=justownin&total=20&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[ShinjiGohan]

no he didn't, though he walked around with some staff lol.

To recap today
I came in and played ST. I lost the first round (should have ticked SPD and not tick fab and I would have won that round).
I guess I got a bye in the losers or something, and I faced another opponent and beat him (gogo Gief), then I faced FlashG and it was GGPO for me lol.

For EX wise, Jason and I lost my board.... we literally spent like 5 hours trying to find it. Eventually Jason found it under a pile of cardboard from the TVs he bought/rented or something for the tournament.

After that I finally got some EX3 in. I played some singled when Just Ownin asked if I noticed that I didn't have a crowd and played by myself and recommended that I pick up tekken... shortly there after Jeron came over and we played a couple matches (he won them all, it was like 4, so itwas mainly match up I think). Then while playing him, DreamTR, Sabre, AfroCole and a few others came up and started playing against Jeron. It sounds like they had a lot of fun. Then Jeron had to go so I took over and served Sabre some revenge for the slaughter he gave me in A2 that weekend lol.

after that, the place died down, and I left shortly there after.

However DreamTR said that next year we're gonna have a EX3 tournament, so I want ya'll to show up :D.

[HeartNana]

Friday was hell, I got a spot in the corner but I ended up being surrounded by tons of Guilty Gear and Tekken players who drew crowds so no one could come through to play, and if I was in a tournament I'd have to wait half an hour to get back to my spot. Of course the Tekken players complained that I took up too much room, cause yanno, it was just me and my computer monitor that I brought from home, while they had 3-4 set ups, plus an arcade set up of Tekken 5.
3-4 setups? You mean 1 ps3 with Tekken, and maybe one with Virtua fighter. I dont doubt that people complained about your location (cause some people were complaining about lack of space in general), but as i remember on friday, there was only 1 tekken station, and a crap ton of guilty, and the melty stations i set up on the side. But please dont make it out to seem like all the tekken players are badguys here...

And then on saturday, there were a lot of tekken stations because of the tourney. Makes sense, right? After the tekken tourney ended around 8ish, we lost 3 of the 5 ps3s that were there for tekken, and the one ps3 that was being used for VF. So there were a couple free tv's that you could have jumped on earlier than 11:50 PM, but i think dark geese jumped on one of them first and there def wasnt that much space...

Regardless, if i wasnt busy with the other things i was playing, i was thinking about playing some EX, but i have no idea how to play the character im interested in learning, and figured it wouldnt be worth it to learn at that point (about 12:30 PM, lol) I hear Area is easy though, and she's awesome. I remember seeing some vids at the Acho arcade where an area player would combo the guy, then stick her arm thing in the ground, and it would move forward and hit the other guy or something. That was pretty sweet, but aside from that, and rumors of an instant overhead, i'd have no idea what to do. :(

So yeah, i guess this post is somewhat asking how to play area, preferably kept to about one paragraph or less...

[Infested Jester]

So yeah, i guess this post is somewhat asking how to play area, preferably kept to about one paragraph or less...


EX2 or 3? Cause they play very different in each one.

[ShinjiGohan]

I got there earily as well. Originally before the Guilty Gear took up the one side there were 2-3 Tekken stations there as well. And when they were complaining to me late at night, I could have sworn that there were at least 2 set ups on the right of me, on top of that they also had the arcade. Though the face that I was in a piss poor location is more my fault and even if someone wanted to come in to play, it'd be pretty hard.

For saturday, I didn't expect much space so I didn't complain about it, same with sunday.

Also, didn't I play against you at Anime Reactor like 2 years ago? I think it was the one where you won the Naruto 3 tournament, if you are who I think you are lol.

[HeartNana]

Infested - Which EX is the more popular/more played one? Ill try to learn Area from that one if thats the case. I think EX2, from what i hear...

Shinji - Ah, late at night there may have been more than one ps3, i thought you meant mid-day. I left around 11, so im not sure if someone had one after that.

And the arcade cabinet was a totally different version of tekken. it was the original 5.0 version, and dark resurrection was the version being played for the tourney and on the PS3's and such. I wouldnt even count that. For the same reason nobody was playing arcade GG: slash, nobody was playing arcade 5.0 tekken.

And yeah, we played at anime reactor a couple years ago, and yeah, i won the naruto tourney there, haha.

I would have played but i found people who played KOF: Maximum impact 2, and the chance to play that against someone is so rare i had to jump on it, haha.

[ShinjiGohan]

if you're looking for local comp then I'd guess than Ex3 would be the choice. In that case you'd have myself, Dia, Nhat and their brothers. Not to mention EX3 being a tournament next year too.

EX2+ seems bigger on the east coast (with exception to the Jersey crew lol), and I think the first EX is bigger on the west coast lol. But that doesn't have area so thats mute.

In all honesty, I don't think I've meet a single person locally that wants EX2+... well JustOwnin whats 1 on 1 fights so maybe him but he isn't from chi-town.

Regarding Tekken, I probably just have a problem with chicago tekken players as they mock EX (as they did at anime reactor, which they were at MWC). But yeah arcade was 5.0, but its still something to practice on. Not to mention that they didn't even bother to enter in any of the other tournaments, so while I'm supporting Dream, they take my chairs. They coulda done that at the hotel.

I actually bought a table so I can set it up on the side saturday and sunday. Sadly Dark Geese took the spot I was gonna use lol. But I can't hate on him, he's reviving the SNK scene nation wide and is a cool dude.

For naruto, your Ten Ten almost makes me want to buy a gamecube to play as her, almost but still 2 years later I think about it.

KOf MI2 I just bought to Jesters advice, now if I'll play it is another matter.

But since you're from chicago, hit me up if you wanna get some matches in.

For Area, all I know is that j.mk has mad priority, great cancer beats most supers except Shoryu reppa, and you try to trap the opponent with download into her altnerative catch.

[ShinjiGohan]

alright, there'll be an EX3 get together at my place this sunday. I've got Dai comin over, Nhat may as well. So anyone else in the area is welcome to come.

Also I noticed something that most of you already knew.

After you tag, if you immdiatedly hold any attack button, the character will perform it. If you do a special, it'll do the normal attack into the special. For easy example, Zangief lariat. If you do tag, then immdiatedly press and hold ppp, right out of tag he'll do a s.lp, and then go directly into the lariat, even if you're still holding PPP.

[ShinjiGohan]

I went over the tape that I attempted to record some footage from MWC.... I didn't record a single thing lol. Couldn't really check what the vcr attempted to record at the tournament but whatever. hopefully I'll get a chance to record some shit tomorrow.

[ShinjiGohan]

I got an hour of matches recorded just now, attempting to convert them to avi so I can cut out the button configs and shit. First half of the matches I couldn't get shit it come out >.<, my execution was better the 2nd half but I still got my butt handed to me lol

[ShinjiGohan]

ok 1 hour and 7 minutes of matches are up in one big file
http://www.streetfighterex.info/sfex3/video/matches/daivskieth.mpg

[TarkanX]

Would anyone be interested in me doing some sort of power ranking for these games? If you are curious to what I am talking about, check out Dark Geese's thread (first post).

[ShinjiGohan]

you mean the player rankings? So like me being last lol, Jester and Kyosuke fighting over number 1

[TarkanX]

Except that only tournament rankings would count, so, since I believe the only EX tournament this year was at Evo North, that would probably be the national ranking for EX2+.

[ShinjiGohan]

Well something like that is good in theory, but unless a lot of SFEX tournaments are being thrown, it really won't do any good. Case in point, EX2+ was the only EX tournament this year, so it'll be a whlie before we get a EX+ ranking, or Ex2. We'll have to wait at least a year for an EX3.

Also the lack of entrants will skew these rankings too.

[TarkanX]

I think that's the problem, as much as I don't like to admit it, the EX series will never get popular from a tournament standpoint (unless it suddenly becomes an EVO or SBO game, which most likely won't happen). If the EX series was ever supposed to have good turnouts to tournaments, it would've been in the late 90's, or early 2000, but that never happened. If you check out the thread made by Dark Geese, you will see a ranking of games that probably only had tournaments either never, or once in a long time, but there is still a ranking, so that we can know who the best players are in the game (which will cause the game to get more attention, because you know there is someone that looks at the power ranking and thinks to them self that they can beat the people on the ranking list.)

[ShinjiGohan]

Well you can pm colguile to see if he'll post the results from MWC/Evo North on his first post.

In other news, I've agreed to do a system tutorial for DreamTR on EX3, so he'll have an idea on how to play the game come next MWC (since he's holding a tournament for it then), as well as a few character tutorials for him. I also asked sabre but he hasn't responded yet.

He's planing on playing Zangief, C.Jack and Guile, so if you can list your combos, defensive juggles, tick throws, traps, set ups, how you move the character forward, pysch-outs, counters to likely situations, block strings, setup attacks, best cross up, best aa etc....

So pm me them, write it here, email, or make a short video lol.

My lack of match play experience is counting on you :-D

[ShinjiGohan]

ok, I captured most of the clips for the EX3 system tutorial.

heres a list of subjects captured
+moves
+specials
+supers
+tag meteors
+throw
+surprise blow
+tag
+momentaries
+critical parades
+links
+chains
+blocking
+corner
+emotional flow
+deadbody
+defensive juggle
+air throw
+cross ups
+tick throw
+momentarytagsurpriseblow
+karacanceling
+tag combo
+tag restrictions
+crticalparadeglitch
+meaty surprise blow
+tag juggles
+super cancels
+2 in 1


is there anything I missed?

BTW Jester I don't have your EX3 faq anymore, if you can unload a copy of it for me so I can compare it with what I've captured, that'd be great.

[gen]

what's dead body and defensive juggle?

[ShinjiGohan]

what's dead body and defensive juggle?

dead body is being able to hit the characters body after they lose, either for tactical advantage or whatever else.

Defensive juggle, is essentially an AA, like c.hp with ken, to shoryu reppa or something like that, a deep lp.shoryuken, to shinku tatsumaki.

[gen]

ahhhh, i see...makes sense!

[gen]

hey shinji, got a question. How effective/useful would you say that D. Darks explosive trap (cross up) is in EX3 compared to EX2?

[ShinjiGohan]

to be honest, it seems easier to time it in EX3 than it was in EX2.

However you could theoreticly just tag out of it.

And Dai did a reversal shinku tatsumaki to hit me out of the cross up and thus negate the explosion. But that should work for both EX2 and EX3.

I'd say that since it seems easier to time it'd be a bit better, but tagging could end it right there (excels could do the same thing, but then you're wasting a bar of super)...

In that sense, I guess it isn't as powerful as it was in EX2. Since there are more ways to get out of it... or rather a better chance of you being in a situation where you could get out of it.

Gen, was there anything else that I missed? I just thought of kara-surpriseblow, kara-super to add onto the kara canceling, so I can capture that tonight.

[gen]

I have to agree to everything you just said! the fact that you can get out of it with a well timed tag, and the fact that the tag bar fills autamatically makes it less effective to me.

i also noticed that you had a perfect set up for it against dai but he got out of it with the shinku tatsumaki... I was like MANN!!!...

anyway, I think you covered everything, well provided that you include everthing within each of those points. for ex., are you going to include tag throws in the throw section or in the tag section? also, like you said, the karacanceling section should include all aspects that the EX3 engine allows, along with what's useful and what's not.

[gen]

ok, I captured most of the clips for the EX3 system tutorial.

heres a list of subjects captured
+moves
+specials
+supers
+tag meteors
+throw
+surprise blow
+tag
+momentaries
+critical parades
+links
+chains
+blocking
+corner
+emotional flow
+deadbody
+defensive juggle
+air throw
+cross ups
+tick throw
+momentarytagsurpriseblow
+karacanceling
+tag combo
+tag restrictions
+crticalparadeglitch
+meaty surprise blow
+tag juggles
+super cancels
+2 in 1


is there anything I missed?

BTW Jester I don't have your EX3 faq anymore, if you can unload a copy of it for me so I can compare it with what I've captured, that'd be great.


I seriously did not realize just how much shit that's in there... what other games uses defensive juggling? does the defensive juggle reset the damage after a successful AA normal?

[ShinjiGohan]

I got the idea of defensive juggling from the old A2 stragety guide by "Versus Games".

the defensive juggle still combos, so I would think that the damage would still be scaled by the follow up.

Yeah, for the kara, I had best do it, try and show all of it... then again this is being made for some OGs and they'd be able to figure out most of it.... but we'll see I guess.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok I got another one, though its more character specific.

Safe Meaties.

Kens c.lp has 3 frames of recovery, if you time your meaty perfectly, there is nothing (outside of possibly a reversal tag, or reversal throw) that he can do about it. If he reversals shoryuken, the c.lp will have already recovered and you can block that for free and punish at will. Even if Ken attempts to shoryu reppa, or shinryuken, the c.lp will recover in time and you can block and punish at will.

Though obviously this won't work on reversal SPDs lol, possibly reversal raging demons, but since most specials have a start up greater than 4 frames, you should be generally safe.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok forgot about weights, and screen moving moves (last kick of giefs super stomp that kicks them off screen).

[Infested Jester]

Hmmm, my old guide doesn't cover anything you haven't already mentioned. In fact, your covers the juggle system regarding weights and conditions beter than mine.

As for things like Giefs kick and other moves knocking people back/off screen, I used the VS. series term "flying screen" for that. Just be sure to mention how to beat it with certain characters like repeated Rosso dashes, Giefs 720 run, etc.


Gen....any chance of return trip to NJ/NY anytime soon? If so be sure to let me know ahead of time, I won't be here for the month of February.

[gen]

Hmmm, my old guide doesn't cover anything you haven't already mentioned. In fact, your covers the juggle system regarding weights and conditions beter than mine.

As for things like Giefs kick and other moves knocking people back/off screen, I used the VS. series term "flying screen" for that. Just be sure to mention how to beat it with certain characters like repeated Rosso dashes, Giefs 720 run, etc.


Gen....any chance of return trip to NJ/NY anytime soon? If so be sure to let me know ahead of time, I won't be here for the month of February.


no problem man!

ahh, didn't even think about the flying screen situation.

[gen]

ot a question, how does block damage work in EX3? seems like you get it sometimes and other times you don't, what's up?

[Infested Jester]

ot a question, how does block damage work in EX3? seems like you get it sometimes and other times you don't, what's up?

A super cancelled into super does no block damage, not sure about a special into a super though.

[ShinjiGohan]

I think so

[Kyōsuke]

not sure about a special into a super though.

Neither...

[Crap]

Does anyone know the full story of Street Fighter EX?

[ShinjiGohan]

guess thats another thing, block damage :D

[gen]

A super cancelled into super does no block damage, not sure about a special into a super though.



ahh, i see!

anyway, here's a little clip of somthing i found using bison's kara psycho cannon. a little something i could have used against nekki's area :wgrin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gunrSlib6ns

[ShinjiGohan]

looks good, perhaps you should do a bison tutorial :-p

[Nine Inch]

Does anyone have good excels for Guile in Ex 2+? Both ground and anti-air.
Also, any tips against a good Area player? Her jumping + down HP move is extremely annoying and high priority, when done extremely low it seems she can recover fast enough to block a flash kick.

[ShinjiGohan]

I don't have any frame data for Area, but guiles flash kick has a 6frame start up, mean while his double flash kick has a 4 frame start up, so that might help.

meanwhile his standing and crouching short has a 5 frame start up, so not as good as DL FK but still ok, standing jab has a 3 frame start up (his best) and crouching has a 5 frame start up.

So you can try any of those instead of a flashkick and see if she still recovers. For excels, I don't really have any.. I could probably transcribe some from EX2 mook that I have, but I don't know if its good for AA or what.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok, I had a few more ideas for the video (bumpish lol).

One is tech throws, another is about throw holds damage, like how each has a preset number of max and min hits.

Lastly tick throws do work in this game, or more specifically block tick, tag, throw. so saw standing jab blocked and you're next to the opponent, you can tag off of the jab hit and then hold throw and you'll throw automatically cause you're still within range. Guess I should try it with crouching attacks too, but thats the theory and captured so it can work. I have no idea what the frame data is for it though.

[ShinjiGohan]

Ok last tape of FRX. with exception of the 2nd to last set which ended up being like 15-20 matches, the audio isn't too bad.
http://www.streetfighterex.info/sfex3/video/matches/FRXtape2.mpg

Return of Shiki, here are your matches. Though it desyncs during our long set of Guile, Sakura, Jack and Skullo. But it should be alright.

[Return of Shiki]

Thanks! Wow, that was a longer set than I remembered...I guess it took me that long to get back into the groove of the game :sweat:

I'm working on getting a SFEX3 tournament held in my area sometime this year. Hopefully when we do, I can get some footage recorded of it...

EDIT: A VERY long set, man, I was having a blast :lol:

[ShinjiGohan]

If you do get some footage on VHS, mail me the tape and I'll capture it and upload it for ya.

[Infested Jester]

Shinji, were you player 1 in all those matches?

[ShinjiGohan]

on the tape that was just uploaded, yes I was

[Infested Jester]

Ah, I see you broke out some of my teams. :wink: You gotta use the Rosso...anything, tag, standing HK, QCBx2+kick combo more.

I mentioned to Doug about EX3 in MWC next year, he's in for sure if thats gonna be the case.

[ShinjiGohan]

Yeah, I need to hit confirm more so I can get that tag in better. And not mess up on the super follow up lol.

But yeah, you doug and eugene would be hot if you could come next year. I'm gonna try and meet up with Dai this weekend and inform him about the tournament so maybe he, his brother, nhat and nhats brother could come too.

I also told Alphakami (tennesse players) about it so hopefully they'll make it. lol With any luck we could have 20+ people entering it.

[Nine Inch]

Does anyone know how to do the explosive cross up trap for Doctrine Dark in Ex 2 plus? I've seen people at the arcades do a dark wire, pull opponent forward, j Hk , forward j Hp, lay an explosive on the ground and jump over while the opponent is still lying down. Most of the time it hits, to set up another dark wire combo. However when i tried it, i just couldnt get it to work. Is there a trick to doing this? Any help appreciated thanks

[ShinjiGohan]

try kara canceling a crouching kick into the explosive. Like the motion would be like this.

D, DF+mk, F+hk

or D.MK, DF, F+HK.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok found some videos on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ig2B7wR2ME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT77gwOZyOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq2GEs3I0Lk

[Infested Jester]

ok found some videos on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ig2B7wR2ME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT77gwOZyOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq2GEs3I0Lk


About those matches in the comments section:

"we don't use throws"

why?

"I'm too good"


:rofl: :clap:

[ShinjiGohan]

bout time I got you to reply. It looks like they're friends of mondrunner or whatever his name his on youtube.

[Infested Jester]

bout time I got you to reply. It looks like they're friends of mondrunner or whatever his name his on youtube.

Their technique isn't that bad, no hit confirmations, no throws, no punishing mistakes, etc. but overall they seem to grasp the engine itself rather well.

[ShinjiGohan]

Yes, grasping the engine is always good.

I updated my site or rather the front page.

[WadeWilson]

I just wanted to agree with the orginal post that SF EX2+ is a good game.

This series is underaapreciated. It helped promote guard breaks and super cancels...very innovative!

[Que?]

In SF EX 2 Plus Arcade

how do you unlock Shadow, Kairi & Garuda?

I have atleast 1,000,000 points with each character on the high score ranking and still nothing.

[ShinjiGohan]

Ex2+ is a time unlock. It was EX2 that needed points to unlock characters. So just leave the machine running for a while and they'll unlock.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok I looked through my all about SFEX book and got some ideas for more parts of the tutorial.

+tech throw
+meaty throw
+perfect throw timing counters
+inputrequirements for motion moves
+input requirements for charge moves
+input requirements for tap moves
+input requirements for special cancels
+input requirements for super cancels
+input requirements for surprise blow cancels

granted there is a lot of stuff in there that I can't read so I have no idea if I can include those in the video.
-hint for any japanese speakers here lol-

[ShinjiGohan]

ok, it is impossible to use a rosso counter for Blankas electricity (haven't checked on the meteor one though).

Also you can do automatic kara 1 button moves by simply crouching when you press it. For example, normally Rossos KKK move doesn't move you, but if you hold down while pressing it it'll move you forward.

With this you can see how the range sucks for Zangiefs KKK move lol.

ex. If you walk up and do a low roundhouse and then do the down+p.lariat you'll reach the opponent on the 4th lariat. If you do the down+k.lariat instead though, you'll hit in the 7th lariat.

doesn't work with throws though :(

[gen]

ok, it is impossible to use a rosso counter for Blankas electricity (haven't checked on the meteor one though).

Also you can do automatic kara 1 button moves by simply crouching when you press it. For example, normally Rossos KKK move doesn't move you, but if you hold down while pressing it it'll move you forward.

With this you can see how the range sucks for Zangiefs KKK move lol.

ex. If you walk up and do a low roundhouse and then do the down+p.lariat you'll reach the opponent on the 4th lariat. If you do the down+k.lariat instead though, you'll hit in the 7th lariat.

doesn't work with throws though :(



question, what exactly is being used to kara here? i'm a little confused...

btw shinji, for some reason i can't seem to open the last file you posted after i dl. i've been meaning to watch the rest of your matches.

[ShinjiGohan]

question, what exactly is being used to kara here? i'm a little confused...


What I'm saying is that by going into a special move from a crouching position you move forward. Just like if you had kara canceled into the special move.

This is easiest to execution with 1 button moves (Daruns parry, Zangiefs Lariats etc...). But should you alter your execution of certain techniques you might be able to move forward. Like maybe d, df, f, d+p for a fireball.


btw shinji, for some reason i can't seem to open the last file you posted after i dl. i've been meaning to watch the rest of your matches.

hmm, the link is still good, and RtS was able to watch it. So either a problem lies in your player or the video was corrupt when DLing it. So either try another player, or reDLing the video.

[gen]

What I'm saying is that by going into a special move from a crouching position you move forward. Just like if you had kara canceled into the special move.

This is easiest to execution with 1 button moves (Daruns parry, Zangiefs Lariats etc...). But should you alter your execution of certain techniques you might be able to move forward. Like maybe d, df, f, d+p for a fireball.



hmm, the link is still good, and RtS was able to watch it. So either a problem lies in your player or the video was corrupt when DLing it. So either try another player, or reDLing the video.

hmmm, first i've heard of this. is that specific to ex, crouching karas? also, can you combine this with a normal kara?

[ShinjiGohan]

I've read that other games extend your hitbox if you crouch so I Guess its derivitive of that. In fact that is probably why the d.dark c.mk kc explosive works. However I don't know if thats also in regular SF games.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok I attempted it with a hadouken, and it didn't work lol. In fact I think I moved more forward doing it the regular way. Guess the key to that move would be to kara cancel the crouching attack into it.

Also I found a use for my programmable pad. Program in a sequence of attacks that I have a hard time against in matches and try to reverse it on my regular pad lol. I've been getting down reversing a c.mp, c.mk from ken and ryu with ryu.

Also practiced tag throwing sagat out of his tiger genocide and meteor move. Now I need to look back to some of my losses and see where I had trouble and try to counter it.

Oh BTW with Rosso you can beat out Blankas electricity with a j.punch. However its far easier to get it to work with a straight up jump than a jump forward. Because you have to have your spacing be exact. But you can beat it out.

[ShinjiGohan]

Also forgot another finding.

While I was reversing the c.mk link with a shoryuken, there were several times that I accidentally sc into a shinku hadouken... and it connected. I don't know if it was because of the distance or what, but shoryuken to shinku hadou can connect.

[ShinjiGohan]

I'm uploading most of the videos in my collection onto youtube. I'll assume that I have everyone from NAs permission to do so. Only one left would be EK. But since he liked it when people hosted his videos when he faked his own death, I'll assume that he won't protest to it lol.

[Lukyan]

Hi! I'm sorry if I'm disturbing you, but I just only want to know where can I find the profiles of the characters of all SFex and the plot? :sweat: is there something like the Tiamat's guide?

Thnx in adv.! :wonder:

[ShinjiGohan]

AFAIK there is no tiamat like guide for the EX storylines. most of the profiles can be found in the first games manual though, and its possible to derive some more information based on the japanese endings but thats about it.

[Lukyan]

Oh... too bad...
Ok, thanks anyway! :wgrin:

[gen]

Ah, I see you broke out some of my teams. :wink: You gotta use the Rosso...anything, tag, standing HK, QCBx2+kick combo more.

I mentioned to Doug about EX3 in MWC next year, he's in for sure if thats gonna be the case.



count me in if that's the case. i'll make the trip for some EX3 action.

[ShinjiGohan]

Also on that note, TarkanX is attempting to create a league of underplayed games as side tournaments at majors. One of the games in consideration is EX3. So when NEC rolls around next month if EX3 is in the line up some of you locals can head up there.

[Donkus]

More recognition for this game is always good. Wherever it is, I won't be able to go, but you guys better record some matches!

[ShinjiGohan]

MWC I'll almost be certainly able to go and I intend to record some matches (ifd dream allows it lol).

For tarkanX, its his side tournament so what he says goes.

[ShinjiGohan]

Everyone give a huge thanks/rep to NKI for starting to translate my All about EX book. I've only asked him to do some of the charts as that is probably more benefical than 300 paragraphs explaining whats in the charts lol.

First one is character movement. Jump heights, speeds, etc... http://nki.combovideos.com/misc/162.partially.translated.png

[gen]

Everyone give a huge thanks/rep to NKI for starting to translate my All about EX book. I've only asked him to do some of the charts as that is probably more benefical than 300 paragraphs explaining whats in the charts lol.

First one is character movement. Jump heights, speeds, etc... http://nki.combovideos.com/misc/162.partially.translated.png



VERY NICE!!!!!

[gen]

question shinji, does a late jump in attack avoid reversals???

[ShinjiGohan]

meaties can avoid reversals but only if you time them perfectly.

I remember back a few pages I said that a meaty guile c.lp is completely safe against reversal shoryukens and most other moves since it has such a short recovery time (3 frames), so any reversal with a start up of 4 frames or more is gonna miss it.

However off hand I don't know what the recovery is from landing a whiffed jump attack (which would be the case if they reversed with a move that has starting invincibility) so I can't say for sure in those cases, but if the recovery from a whiffed jump attack is less than 5 frames then it should be safe against most reversals.

[gen]

meaties can avoid reversals but only if you time them perfectly.

I remember back a few pages I said that a meaty guile c.lp is completely safe against reversal shoryukens and most other moves since it has such a short recovery time (3 frames), so any reversal with a start up of 4 frames or more is gonna miss it.

However off hand I don't know what the recovery is from landing a whiffed jump attack (which would be the case if they reversed with a move that has starting invincibility) so I can't say for sure in those cases, but if the recovery from a whiffed jump attack is less than 5 frames then it should be safe against most reversals.


hmmm, i see!

check out at time 1:09 onwards in this clip... @ 1:24 the late jump in connects when it's not reversed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAPVn9p1v6w

[Return of Shiki]

Also on that note, TarkanX is attempting to create a league of underplayed games as side tournaments at majors. One of the games in consideration is EX3. So when NEC rolls around next month if EX3 is in the line up some of you locals can head up there.

I'll be at NEC, so I'll see you there Shinji!
What are the chances of an EX3 (2v2 teams?) tournament?

[ShinjiGohan]

actually what I tried to imply is that I can't make it to nec, infact from november to january I'm not allowed to take any days off :(

To Gen, from the looks of it, its definitely possible. Next thing to look at is how many start up frames that Purim kick has....
Ok, the Purim kick has 7 start up frames.

if you can, you can see if someone can do guiles flashkick as a reversal to the same setup. That has 6 frames of start up. If that works, you can have the person try to do a double flash kick reversal with has 4 frames of start up.

BTW shoryuken has 5 with ryu so he'd be the middle ground between flash kick and dfk

and on the extreme end, zangiefs lariats have a start up of 2 frames.

and kill blade has 3.

So
2: Lariat
3: Kill Blade
4: Double Flash Kick
5: Shoryuken
6: Flash kick
7: pirum kick

[Infested Jester]

Shinji, what are all the upcoming events that will have and will possibly have EX3 action? I completely lost track of what you told me outside of the MWC next year which I'll definitely be at. Thanks.

[gen]

Shinji, what are all the upcoming events that will have and will possibly have EX3 action? I completely lost track of what you told me outside of the MWC next year which I'll definitely be at. Thanks.

what month exactly is mwc held?

[ShinjiGohan]

MWC is always in the middle of june. Typically the 3rd weekend of june.
That one I'll definitely be going to unless I'm homeless by then lol.

His schedule of tournaments to goto for the side tournaments in EX3 are as follows.
Season's Beatings, Columbus, OH: November 3-4, 2007
Northeast Championship, Philadelphia, PA: December 1-2, 2007
Pacific Northwest Regional, Portland, OR: December 15, 2007
Midwest Challenge, Chicago, IL: February? 2008
Final Round, Atlanta, GA: March 15-16, 2008
EVO South? Houston, TX: March? 2008
Montreal Annual Tournament, Montreal, Quebec, CA: Date Unknown
Texas Showdown, Houston, TX: April? 2008
EVO East, Stamford, CT: Memorial Day 2008
EVO North, Northbrook, IL: Late June 2008
Toronto 9, Toronto, ON, CAN: July 2008
Juarez Tournament, Juarez, MX: July 2008
EVO West, San Diego/Los Angeles, CA: July 2008
EVO World, Las Vegas, NV: August 2008

obviously some tournaments are going to be hard to get space to run all of side tournaments he wants to run. and depending on entrants some side tournaments might be canceled. but its worth a shot I guess if you're nearby.

[Donkus]

I was messing around in EX+a and realized kara techniques exist. Then I reread Shinji's posts from the last page. Shinji, about kara throws, are they flat out impossible in EX3 or only impossible from a crouching position?

[ShinjiGohan]

Gen says that they exist. However I've never been able to cancel a regular move into a throw as I could a tag or surprise blow. Even with a programmable controller I still can't do it. So as knowledgable as Gen is on the subject, I'm gonna have to question whether or not its truely possible.

[gen]

Gen says that they exist. However I've never been able to cancel a regular move into a throw as I could a tag or surprise blow. Even with a programmable controller I still can't do it. So as knowledgable as Gen is on the subject, I'm gonna have to question whether or not its truely possible.


dude, can you quote me on that??? I really don't remember saying much, if anthing about kara throws.

SERIOUSLY, i was waiting to hear from you as to whether or not it works.

searched the thread and i'm positive i did not say that!!!

[ShinjiGohan]

I can't quote you on this forum, I believe it was something you said while the NA forums were still up lol. That said, its been a couple years since those forums were last online, so maybe I'm wrong....

but in my experience they don't exist in EX3.

[gen]

I can't quote you on this forum, I believe it was something you said while the NA forums were still up lol. That said, its been a couple years since those forums were last online, so maybe I'm wrong....

but in my experience they don't exist in EX3.


MAN, that sucks considering the crappy range normal throws have in EX3.
while we're on the subject of karas, here's a kara dark wire for d. dark. c.MK seem to be giving me the most range but i could be wrong...you may catch your apponent off guard with this one should they doubt how far you can throw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4gy1E3dwI

[Infested Jester]

MAN, that sucks considering the crappy range normal throws have in EX3.
while we're on the subject of karas, here's a kara dark wire for d. dark. c.MK seem to be giving me the most range but i could be wrong...you may catch your apponent off guard with this one should they doubt how far you can throw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4gy1E3dwI


Gen, when you comin up man?

[gen]

Gen, when you comin up man?


i wanna come up for mwc next year! i've missed the ex competition for too long...


i'll crash in new york and come over your place afterwards...?

[Infested Jester]

i wanna come up for mwc next year! i've missed the ex competition for too long...


i'll crash in new york and come over your place afterwards...?

Too bad you couldn't make it this year, Doug has been living here the past few months, we could have had a shitload of matches. Good chance I'll be going to MWC next year if I skip ACEN which I probably will. You eager to get punished by the Rosso/Kairi rushdown again? :devil: Actually Rosso/Area is probably my best team now according to everyone I've played.

[ShinjiGohan]

MAN, that sucks considering the crappy range normal throws have in EX3.
while we're on the subject of karas, here's a kara dark wire for d. dark. c.MK seem to be giving me the most range but i could be wrong...you may catch your apponent off guard with this one should they doubt how far you can throw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4gy1E3dwI

that might actually work...

I mean you can purposely throw one that whiffs while a explosive is out, so they think that they're out of range and while they don't suspect it you kara into another one and get them.

[ShinjiGohan]

ok I told dai about MWC, he seems up for it. I just gotta tell Nhat about it and then team chicago should be set lol.

Which obviously meant that I got a chance to play Dai today. We played on his computer monitor using my xrgb2+ device and had no lag ^.^ But no recording. I'll be heading there on thursday night for some more play, likely no recording then either since he doesn't really have the equipment. But practice is practice.

[Donkus]

Shinji, I can't get the character change codebreaker codes to work at all.

They're listed here:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3416408#post3416408

All my stuff is the US version. I've tried your master code and the one my (Pelican) codebreaker (v 9.3) comes with. No matter how I set the characters, they are always who I pick on the select screen, and never who I set them to be in the code section. This is for both 1 and 2 player and all modes.

Any suggestions?

[ShinjiGohan]

assuming that you typed in the codes correctly, the only other thing that I can think of is that this newer codebreaker v9.3 doesn't allow raw codes but only encrypted ones...

[HAMMER FRENZY]

I picked up this game again recently. I have always really liked it, but I never have anyone to play it with. I wondering if any people, I haven't noticed any, play with the timer on? I was told a while back that it is impossible to do that, and that I would time out all my matches, but anytime I play other people who DO play this game, we play with default settings and I don't really ever get to time outs at all. I am sure this may mean I just suck, but I was just curious. I really don't like playing without timers, and I don't like messing with default settings much. But if there is an established norm, I should most likely switch to that.

Also, is there any other settings I would need to change from default? thanks for all the help.

By the way my team is Jack and Darun.

[Infested Jester]

I picked up this game again recently. I have always really liked it, but I never have anyone to play it with. I wondering if any people, I haven't noticed any, play with the timer on? I was told a while back that it is impossible to do that, and that I would time out all my matches, but anytime I play other people who DO play this game, we play with default settings and I don't really ever get to time outs at all. I am sure this may mean I just suck, but I was just curious. I really don't like playing without timers, and I don't like messing with default settings much. But if there is an established norm, I should most likely switch to that.

Also, is there any other settings I would need to change from default? thanks for all the help.

By the way my team is Jack and Darun.


Anytime we would play we'd set the timer to off, but Shinji suggested putting it to the slowest setting not infinite which seems to be the best way to go.

Also we always have damage set to the least possible. On normal settings one tag combo could possibly = death. Lowest damage setting allows for an actual match. Don't get me wrong though, even on that setting certain teams can still do 50% combos and Garuda can still CP you to instant death.

[StuartHayden]

I thought about playing this game cause the tag system seemed pretty fluent.

But..what's the tier list look like?

-SH

[Infested Jester]

I thought about playing this game cause the tag system seemed pretty fluent.

But..what's the tier list look like?

-SH

Might have changed a little, but for the most part, this is what myself and the others had decided on.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3794949&postcount=1991

Chun Li can be considered higher if you can pull her infinite, and Sharon might be up up a little bit too. A lot of these choices were made taking into account who is good with a specific team memeber, who is still good when their partner dies, etc.

[StuartHayden]

:sad: @ Vega and Sakura being low tier.

-SH

[Infested Jester]

Vega suffers from low comboability, Sakura is pretty much fucked if her partner dies, and she also suffers from low comboability when compared to the others.

You can certainly win with them, but you'd probably need a Dhalsim or Rosso on the team to carry most of the match.

I think I'd probably put Pullum up to tops now after Shinji showed what a great pressure character and battery she is, bitch builds meter like crazy. She can also set up unblockables with Rosso and possibly Area.

[StuartHayden]

What's a good team to start with? Just to learn the basics but can easily progress into more advanced mechanics as you play the game more?

-SH

[Infested Jester]

What's a good team to start with? Just to learn the basics but can easily progress into more advanced mechanics as you play the game more?

-SH

I'd go Ryu and Ken. They compliment each other quite well, and their combos involve a lot of the mechanics of the game but not in a ridiculously complicated way. I also suggest this team as most people know the basic shoto style which only needs to be altered a little in this engine to learn.

[StuartHayden]

Awesome. :tup:
Thanks for the info.
Buying this game right now actually. =D

Now gimme dat suupa rep.

-SH

[Infested Jester]

Awesome. :tup:
Thanks for the info.
Buying this game right now actually. =D

Now gimme dat suupa rep.

-SH

No problem, if you have any questions about the game just ask.

Oh, sorry, but..... :shake:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3270/63104517bg5.jpg

[StuartHayden]

Boooo!

First thing tomorrow then.

=(

-SH

[Akutabi Gamma]

Question- which ver. of SF EX3 was the better between the PAL and NTSC?

[Infested Jester]

Question- which ver. of SF EX3 was the better between the PAL and NTSC?

Not sure about that, but I do know the JPN version has slowdown issues at times. Not as bad as first reported but they are there. Shinji can probably elaborate on this more.

[Desk]

Do not buy the pal version! It's 50hz only.

[Atb_555]

^ Ditto dont buy PAL version!

IIRC American is the best.

[gen]

I picked up this game again recently. I have always really liked it, but I never have anyone to play it with. I wondering if any people, I haven't noticed any, play with the timer on? I was told a while back that it is impossible to do that, and that I would time out all my matches, but anytime I play other people who DO play this game, we play with default settings and I don't really ever get to time outs at all. I am sure this may mean I just suck, but I was just curious. I really don't like playing without timers, and I don't like messing with default settings much. But if there is an established norm, I should most likely switch to that.

Also, is there any other settings I would need to change from default? thanks for all the help.

By the way my team is Jack and Darun.

I wouldn't say it's impossible but you will get time outs. anyway, i still play with the timer on and i've found it to be quite interesting the way players react to this...

[ShinjiGohan]

For timer, if you play on regular damage the match should end before the timer goes out. But if you decrease the damage then you're gonna have to slow down the timer to compensate for it.

[Helter Skelter]

This thread is great. I've been playing EX3 quite often recently.
I've enjoyed reading all the tactics, and watching the little videos posted.


Players interested in the EX series, should try 'Fighting Layer'.
It is made by Arika, the same guys behind the EX games.
It plays very similar to EX3, just with alot more stuff.

It features most of the stuff, you would expect from an EX game (Cancel, Super Cancels, etc.). However some stuff