What do you do when u have mirror match team scrub's matches? [Archive]

merdoc

09-03-2003, 06:07 PM

i want to know wat do i do when i have team scrub mirror matches especially wit cable,sometimes my cable gets beaten and i am only left with sent and capcom,and most people say team scrub is useless without cable since cable is at a dissanvange verses a cable,plus i try to rush down wit capcom,i want to know wats the best possible startegey to play wit team scrub, i want to know every charecters purpose of playing,capcom is a no brainer his AAAbut the other 2 would help.

thanks-if u have any ideas or strats go rite ahead and post:D :D :D

ONE Weapon

09-04-2003, 06:30 AM

and most people say team scrub is useless without cable since cable is at a dissanvange verses a cable
:confused: if your tryin to say that sentinel is at a disadvantage versus cable thats not completely right. sentinel can win cable with a little work. if its versus another cable then the smarter/lucky one wins.

you can try putting sent first against cable if your smart enough with sent. it really dont matter if they try the same cuz they might try and be slick and put their cable agaisnt your sent.
cable is there for the ahvb and keepaway
sentinel is there for his drones assist, to build meter for cable, and for sent/capcom:evil:
capcom there for assist
ok beauchamp ? ok

Weget

09-04-2003, 08:11 AM

try www.denjinvideo.com and d/l the SoO Mighty vs SiN match. Two team scrubs playing like they should be played.

merdoc

09-06-2003, 08:22 PM

i didnt watch da video the site is quite disturbing watching ken punch sakura thats if any of ya ppl have any more strats that can help me out with mirror match scrub go rite ahead and post some use tactics or strats :bluu: :bluu: :evil:

Higher-Jin

10-07-2003, 05:40 PM

Cable is not at a disadvantage vs. cable, it's neutral most people just can't fight against another cable that's when people like me will kick your no experience cable with a ahvb, just think about what you do and see the weaknesses and if you are advanced your opponent will try to do what you do, and if you see him open ahvb x 3 ^_^....

50mOrEcEnTz

10-08-2003, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Higher-Jin
Cable is not at a disadvantage vs. cable, it's neutral most people just can't fight against another cable that's when people like me will kick your no experience cable with a ahvb, just think about what you do and see the weaknesses and if you are advanced your opponent will try to do what you do, and if you see him open ahvb x 3 ^_^.... cable vs cable

LOTS OF THROWS, no tk grenades unless an assist has them pinned down and ur going into a 100% safe block string...for whatever reason, if ur thinking of doing a light viper beam to chip in the air, don't, its AHVB'able....cable vs cable includes a lot of sj. throw a lk grenade, then come down and wavedash towards the opponent or do two manual launchers to build a little meter. a trick to building meter also is sj'ing then on the way down b4 u hit the ground do a rh, it should come out, and you should hardly be able to see it but u still get meter for a rh and it is 100% safe. also, a lot of cables like to jump forward at you....use ur jumping lp guardbreak

TheWanderer

10-13-2003, 07:40 AM

50moreCentz Sj and throw a lk grenade.

Can't the other cable just sj and hp cancel to HVB your ass?

pinoy-X

10-16-2003, 06:52 AM

you can guardbreak after an airthrow in midair, after throwing your opponent on the other side while you're midair you can fire a bullet right before you fell. if he blocks it then it'll guard break AHVB away or if he got hit same thing. alot of peeps forgot to do this.

if you are fast enough you can crossup a jumping cable, just dash under and launch with the manual launcher and AHVB up there. do this if he gets enough of your crossups using the crouching lk's blah blah AHVB.

air lp got high priority

just be patient! but dont end up a PATIENT!:lol:

luigi

10-16-2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by pinoy-X
you can guardbreak after an airthrow in midair, after throwing your opponent on the other side while you're midair you can fire a bullet right before you fell. if he blocks it then it'll guard break AHVB away or if he got hit same thing. alot of peeps forgot to do this.

if you are fast enough you can crossup a jumping cable, just dash under and launch with the manual launcher and AHVB up there. do this if he gets enough of your crossups using the crouching lk's blah blah AHVB.

air lp got high priority

just be patient! but dont end up a PATIENT!:lol:

You can guard break after a tech hit, not a throw.

I believe cross up with the lk combo is much better since you can do ahvbx3 afterwards, and lk is faster/more priority than mp anyways.

bananas

11-10-2003, 12:50 AM

allow me to rock the knowledge for a tad...

scrub vs scrub, if you cocky you can start sentinel against cable. Basically your sentinel is gotta be two levels higher than the cable your playing otherwise you and your assist will surely perish.

if you want to win you start cable no matter what they start (button switch glitch of course) and then you rough it out. If they start sentinel and you have a decent cable you should rape them.

if somehow your cable gets raped, by the opposing sentinel, you either dont know how to use cable, or the sentinel is on a higher plane. In that case you're probably gonna loose cause he is going to kick the shit out of your sentinel.

scrub on scrub is gay. play santhrax and run awayyyyyy

50mOrEcEnTz

11-10-2003, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by TheWanderer
Sj and throw a lk grenade.

Can't the other cable just sj and hp cancel to HVB your ass?
since this thread is up and running again...yes, he can do that...if you throw a lk grenade from full screen unaided....who does that though?

and i ain't sure i agree with u either bananas...cable with one meter vs. sent/AAA is startin to get better and better. not saying a cable can't beat out a sent, but that cable, after beatin the sent (assuming he is worn down by the cable vs. sent match, can't GB cable too cleanly since the regular ol gb doesn't work, and basically it is a guessing game)...and if the cable doesn't GB the other cable...i'd say the OTHER cable has the best chance of winning BY FAR.

sent can do things when cable only has one meter that he can't do normally, like trap, drones become more and more effective, and if you say juss use the meter, well then rh drones to cover a manual tag in does GREAT on cable since your out of meter, and cable is sj'ing while sent's life is real low you can sometimes sneak in random tag in

juss some thoughts...maybe i suck n u r ryte

bananas

11-10-2003, 03:06 PM

basically, i rape sent with cable by blocking counter assisting with commando and mash drones, the good ol' shit. The only difference is that i rape sent without using my bars. And without doing dumb shit until i have at LEAST three bars.

Lets say i have three bars, wtf is sent/aaa gonna do? Drop him assist and super jump. NO!

he's gonna fucking get shot, and if he drop his assist they both die. I like to spread out the amount of bars i put in sentinel, so i always have at LEAST two. So when cable comes in he might have five but i have a full cable, and full sentinel. And two to three bars. So......cable should get guard broken.

Even if cable puts three in my cable and two in sent that still leaves me to fight cable with capcom anti-air. Which is a fight that sent can win easier than cable w/ drones

50mOrEcEnTz

11-10-2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by bananas
basically, i rape sent with cable by blocking counter assisting with commando and mash drones, the good ol' shit. The only difference is that i rape sent without using my bars. And without doing dumb shit until i have at LEAST three bars.

Lets say i have three bars, wtf is sent/aaa gonna do? Drop him assist and super jump. NO!

he's gonna fucking get shot, and if he drop his assist they both die. I like to spread out the amount of bars i put in sentinel, so i always have at LEAST two. So when cable comes in he might have five but i have a full cable, and full sentinel. And two to three bars. So......cable should get guard broken.

Even if cable puts three in my cable and two in sent that still leaves me to fight cable with capcom anti-air. Which is a fight that sent can win easier than cable w/ drones true...im just saying...like sent vs cable is getting better IMO...ONE slip by cable and kiss his ass goodbye...but yeah...cable ownz up sent pretty bad sometimes...but gettin three meters isn't THAT easy of a task IMO...

J.Lo

11-12-2003, 11:23 AM

well i mean it depends

sent/cc vs. cable/cc - im assuming cable has levels because a cable with no levels is an easy prey. you want to stay ontop of cable and put as much pressure as you can. try to work him into the corner. sj and flying and holding forward is pretty good. also if you are facing a cable that's sjing alot and doing fierce punch or jsut trying to build meter, try wavedashing and sjing right under him. his air jab is pretty good and you can make someone pay with 60% or more. or if you have a feeling they are going to block you can always sj and throw and sometimes, depending on where you are on the screen, you can catch them with a lk while they are falling and make them pay with 60 or more. fp upclose to stop him from sj. fyling roundhouse upclose near the ground for coverage. low fierceXXflyXXunfly is good but dont become too predictable. also remember to wage assist wars. when they call cc, get close and call cc. sentinel is pretty safe when normal jumping because he falls so weird. he tapers sort of.

cable vs. cable - this fight is about patience. you just have to wait. air jab has good priority so if someone keeps normal jump roundhousing without an jump jab fierce XX ahvb is good. tk grenade is pretty safe as long as you have a level to cancel immediately with. sj and rh before you hit the ground is a good level builder. if you have sent-g then pattern it.

sent vs. sent - try to stay ontop and dont committ to anything before they do because you can go around just about anything in flight(too fast!) and punish it. remember to hurt their commando too.

i dunno there's alot i could write but be specific and i'll try to help

Ark_21XX

11-12-2003, 05:23 PM

I having trouble right now with Cable/Sent/CC I always lost in Cable vs. Cable that scrub keeps building meter with Sent Drones (he's not good in air) and I can't do nothing but defend and get chipped:bluu:. How can I win him and build meter with Cable WHITOUT being punished even for a s.Roundhouse:(

Sorry about my grammar, I'm still learnig english T_T:p

merdoc

11-14-2003, 09:18 PM

so ......usally is not a good idea to fly and unfly with sentinel against a cable if ur commando is gone..?

Kaistar

11-15-2003, 05:48 PM

i'd fall back on the same "depends on the situation shit" but that ain't gonna cut it, is it? :lol:

if cable's in corner you can usually try playing a safe stomp sent (watch JWong's sent, the turtle king has a pretty safe sent :cool: )... but only if your sent is really solid.

but i have to agree with bananas on this, cable should be on point in mirror matches.

rsigley

11-20-2003, 08:01 PM

i goto the store or play something else because teams crub mirror match is boring as hell

ViperDude

11-22-2003, 09:34 AM

Don't play like a SCRUB

bananas

11-22-2003, 01:14 PM

soooo.....lets say that for some reason you both start cable, or better yet lets say you wanna start sent vs cable (in scrub vs scrub match)

here's the general idea: cable rapes sent midscreen, he has way to much range, you can't really call you assists and protect them. The best way to win this fight is to lure cable into the corner. Cable is always retreating backwards, therefore this will usually put him into a corner. When he gets in the corner sentinel can start beating the shit out of cable. Bait out his assists and use safe stomp patterns to punish assists and also a lot of cables like to jump up and gun you back down. Just wait for them to do this and then you can fast fly them/ throw them.

There are a bunch of mixups you can do to cable when he's in the corner. The tricky part is that a good cable will know that you are trying to put him in the corner and will try to escape. That's why marvel is so great, there is always a counter strategy.

50mOrEcEnTz

11-22-2003, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by bananas
cable rapes sent midscreen, he has way to much range, you can't really call you assists and protect them.

okay...like u said...sent vs cable STARTING out...why does sent need to cover his assists? what is cable gun do...one or two AHVB? i guess...two ahvb's don't kill many assists [i ain't a scrub, i know about resetting the beam]...iono; i ain't saying cable doesn't win...im sayin all this shit 'bout "if you start cable he rapes sent" isn't as true as many s&t frequenters think it is

Mixup

11-23-2003, 11:34 PM

B up there is law, listen up chumps...

Btw, man the fuck up and start sentinel on their cable. build bars with your demise:lol:

bananas

11-24-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz

okay...like u said...sent vs cable STARTING out...why does sent need to cover his assists? what is cable gun do...one or two AHVB? i guess...two ahvb's don't kill many assists [i ain't a scrub, i know about resetting the beam]...iono; i ain't saying cable doesn't win...im sayin all this shit 'bout "if you start cable he rapes sent" isn't as true as many s&t frequenters think it is

hmmm....why does sentinel need to cover his assists? give me a break. You have to be really careful where and when you choose to drop your assists.

Y? Cause two vipers can potentially kill your assist. If you lose your assist in a scrub vs scrub fight you are in deep shit. That is why the fight is soo hard. Cable has all the tools he need to kill you. Which severely limits your options.

Put it this way, lets say you are on the same level as the person you are playing. You start sent, he starts gayble. You should get raped. If you are one or two levels above the person you are playing then you should be able to keep up with the damage and not get your assist killed.

TheWanderer

11-24-2003, 03:00 PM

The person that starts off with Sent first should win. The reason why is because Sent can take a lot of hit. Since Sent can take a lot of hit, he should try to do as much damage as he could on Cable while trying to gain meters too, wether with Commando or other anti. Once Cable's life goes down to like less than half life, the Sent player should do a counter in order to sent out Cable or just random tag out(i don't really prefer to randomly tag out. Then Cable could just cheap the other Cable to death. Unless the other Cable with low life tries to sent Sent back in, then just snap Sent in for Cable. Then just chip away. Afterwards, then match should be a pice of cake.

Dasrik

11-24-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by bananas
Cause two vipers can potentially kill your assist.

Put it this way, lets say you are on the same level as the person you are playing. You start sent, he starts gayble. You should get raped. If you are one or two levels above the person you are playing then you should be able to keep up with the damage and not get your assist killed. You don't know what you're talking about.

Sent vs. Cable at opening match in the Team Scrub mirror fight is in favor of Sent if Sent plays patient and doesn't try to force shit. It's been proven quite often already.

Mixup

11-24-2003, 03:27 PM

No actually, he DOES know what he's talking about. YOU start sentinel on a real cable(randy lew, bannaners here) and see how wrong he is...

If you don't force anything, then you're not getting shit either. Sentinel has to take risks, big and small in this match to get anywhere. A defensive player who works the clock and has great defense can fully capitalize on this and win with smart meter management and pacing. Thats what HE does every game and imo, he's not wrong at all.

Dasrik

11-24-2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Mixup
No actually, he DOES know what he's talking about. YOU start sentinel on a real cable(randy lew, bannaners here) and see how wrong he is...

If you don't force anything, then you're not getting shit either. Sentinel has to take risks, big and small in this match to get anywhere. A defensive player who works the clock and has great defense can fully capitalize on this and win with smart meter management and pacing. Thats what HE does every game and imo, he's not wrong at all. Randy Lew has a dope Cable. But I don't agree with the assessment that when it's Sent v. Cable at equal levels, Sent gets raped. Cable has to work just as hard to get Sent off of him as Sent has to work to get in, and to top it all off, Cable can't actually DO any damage until he builds himself some meter AND he gets a clean shot at Sentinel near ground level; if a good Sentinel hits Cable, anytime, anywhere, Cable stands to lose upwards of 60% of his life. No meter required.

Randy Lew might make it look easy, but it's not easy...

Mixup

11-24-2003, 06:14 PM

We can agree to disagree thats fine, respectable. I just wanted to make it clear that B up there is no fool, even if he is slightly unconventional with his play. He makes it look easy against good sentinels...

Dasrik

11-24-2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Mixup
We can agree to disagree thats fine, respectable. I just wanted to make it clear that B up there is no fool, even if he is slightly unconventional with his play. He makes it look easy against good sentinels... I wish it was easy; then I'd do it :(

But I'm stuck with shitty Blackheart skillz :)

Sentinaaall!

11-25-2003, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Dasrik
I wish it was easy; then I'd do it :(

But I'm stuck with shitty Blackheart skillz :)

better shitty blackheart skillz than no skillz, only one who plays blackheart down in the nasty south is that nigga mixup. His blackheart is NUTS! or bananas as some would say......

Violent Requiem

11-26-2003, 04:48 AM

Is there a big difference in game plan if you're playing Cable/Sent/Cyke?

It's scrub, but it's not. It's got range and blockstun instead of damage. How would you vary starting off then?

I seriously wanna start Cable and not Sent, but too many people rush a meterless cable and it makes it harder to control the tempo.

-R

BHmaster

11-26-2003, 12:50 PM

Sent vs. Cable wins when cable only has one bar. If you know what your doing with sentinel, you'll get cable in the corner and it will be game over. Cable should never make it out of the corner with good assist play by sentinel. and it only takes one throw from Sentinel (teched or not) to kill cable using follow-up combos.

And one more thing Randy Lew and his cable sux ass. He couldn't even beat J. Jacksons.

Dasrik

11-26-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by BHmaster
And one more thing Randy Lew and his cable sux ass. He couldn't even beat J. Jacksons. And that's why Randy Lew made it to the finals at Evo. You talk like Julius is a scrub. Shut the fuck up.

Violent Requiem

11-27-2003, 07:26 AM

Shhh Das, you know it's easier to talk about what people did in match videos than to actually know what you're talking about. :P

I think the general thought on Lew's Cable is that, well, it's a defensive monster. Probably the best defensive cable period. I know I'm a huge fan of Lew's cable, but still, ton's of people feel The Captain has the best overall Cable, so... ;P

JJ is tight as fuck too though, playing a completely unorthodox team, and he's NOT scrubby, so losing to him probably doesn't cost Lew any sleep. Fuck, if I lost to him, and even killed one or two char's, I'd consider myself doing kinda good. :)

With that out of the way, maybe Dasrik would like to share his feelings about Cable (On point) with Sent-g and Cyke-AAA. Cause I'm seriously playing this team.

And I need help.

-R

Sentinaaall!

12-02-2003, 01:29 PM

cable/cyc is surprising hard to get in on with sentinel...if not outright impossible. Cyc tracks like a motherfucker and everytime you get nicked by cyc you get three in the face, you and your assist of choice. Thing is that sent/comm should beat sent/cyc that is a bad matchup for sent/cyc. But its close, if you can somehow manage to kill cable, your odds of winning increase.

Violent Requiem

12-03-2003, 05:43 AM

Yeah, I knew about how hard it would be to get in on Cable/Cyke, since Cyke assist is rough on Sent (pushes block, guard stun, not safe to fly against unless you're already on top of them with Capcom.)

I'm just not sure why Sent/Cyke has it so rough. I know that once Sent/Cap gets on top of Sent/Cyke, it's soooo hard to get out, and Sent/Cyke just can't pressure Sent/Cap in the same way. Looks more like Sent would want to zone when backed by capcom, at least against Sent/Cap. Sent/Cable AA isn't so much better. Let's hope Cable doesn't die, eh? :)

Could always ghetto counter Sent/Cap with Cyke/Sent-drones. :P RUUUUNAAAWWAAAAY.

-R

BHmaster

12-03-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Dasrik
And that's why Randy Lew made it to the finals at Evo. You talk like Julius is a scrub. Shut the fuck up.

aiight listen dumb ho. my cable is not going to lose to a fucking ironman, war, machine, OR doom regardless of if it's combofiends or J.J.! Especially with a fucking commando and sentinel assist. I don't give a fuck if he made it to the finals, his cable still sucks. J.J. isn't sorry. I never said he was. But how you going to have a tight cable when you get pimped by IM? eh?!

Dasrik

12-03-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by BHmaster
aiight listen dumb ho. my cable is not going to lose to a fucking ironman, war, machine, OR doom regardless of if it's combofiends or J.J.! Especially with a fucking commando and sentinel assist. I don't give a fuck if he made it to the finals, his cable still sucks. J.J. isn't sorry. I never said he was. But how you going to have a tight cable when you get pimped by IM? eh?! Did you even watch the match? Julius was losing the match when he came back with a tricky DHC. And you ask how Cable/Commando can lose to IM/Doom? Um... get close, drop Doom and stay close. It's very possible. You can be cocky all you like, but be realistic, Cable/Commando isn't Jesus and neither are you. Julius and Randy are good players, and Randy's already proven himself to have a good Cable by going to the finals at Evo (and BEATING SooMighty.... oh shit, Cable/Commando can't do shit to Mag/Psy, right?)

SooMighty

12-03-2003, 02:38 PM

BHmaster

12-03-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Dasrik
Did you even watch the match? Julius was losing the match when he came back with a tricky DHC. And you ask how Cable/Commando can lose to IM/Doom? Um... get close, drop Doom and stay close. It's very possible. You can be cocky all you like, but be realistic, Cable/Commando isn't Jesus and neither are you. Julius and Randy are good players, and Randy's already proven himself to have a good Cable by going to the finals at Evo (and BEATING SooMighty.... oh shit, Cable/Commando can't do shit to Mag/Psy, right?)

um...gee...did I watch the match?....er....

Yeah I fucking watched the match! I saw that "tricky" dhc coming as soon as he countered to doom. I couldn't believe lew went for the kill so quickly when doom has a horrible recovery time after doing the super. And sentinels drones can help a cable to make a lot of distance. Or did you not think of that. Don't limit cable to just commando if there's a sentinel to be used too. As for you comment on Soo. Soo used mags. that's a completely different character than IM and Cable. So you post is officially useless.

Dasrik

12-03-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by BHmaster
Yeah I fucking watched the match! I saw that "tricky" dhc coming as soon as he countered to doom. I couldn't believe lew went for the kill so quickly when doom has a horrible recovery time after doing the super. And sentinels drones can help a cable to make a lot of distance. Or did you not think of that. Don't limit cable to just commando if there's a sentinel to be used too. As for you comment on Soo. Soo used mags. that's a completely different character than IM and Cable. So you post is officially useless. Well, to be perfectly honest with you, I saw the DHC coming too. Then again, I had the benefit of being calm, not tired, not having played in a tournament for a good many hours, and as always the benefit of hindsight. We've all done boneheaded things when under pressure, so Randy trying to shoot Doom immediately doesn't mean he sucks, just means he wasn't thinking about it at the time.

And yes, I know that drones that make the distance. I also know that when you manage to close that distance, neither drones nor corridor is going to be of any use to Cable when he's got rocks in his face.

Bah. Making sharp comments when I'm angry never gets me anywhere. I'm gonna just stop doing it (I'm referring to my original post, not the ones afterward). I don't want any beef here, I just don't like it when people malign players.

Peace...:)

Mixup

12-03-2003, 06:37 PM

Bhmaster, i know we're cool but lew not having a great cable?

You don't know your shit if you can't see he's got one of the top 3 guns in the world...

DomoKun

12-03-2003, 06:50 PM

I hate fighting Cable vs Cable fights. I don't usually just call Sentiniel drones for any reason other then stoping some magneto or storm rushdown. I would love mixing it up Cable vs Cable w/ no assist usage because I got that sort of confidence in my Cable. But, I think fighting another cable is just as easy as taking control of the drones and not making the mistakes. I mean if his cable does something stupid like standing FP's to hit your sentiniel, hes either gonna do a short or long VB, semitar, or GHVB. All can be easily capitalized on by doing a AHVB. come to think about it....wouldn't it just be grand that if you mixed it up with Cable and start your lk combo, and then instead of doing the fk, you snapback Capcom? Anybody here actully done that before and connect with high percentages?

BlackHeartKing

12-03-2003, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by DomoKun
come to think about it....wouldn't it just be grand that if you mixed it up with Cable and start your lk combo, and then instead of doing the fk, you snapback Capcom? Anybody here actully done that before and connect with high percentages?

I've done this quite a few times :evil: works wonders in a match. after you catch someone with this be ready for a random switch in or counter though. I've done this to MSP too, snapping in psylocke, and double AHVBing her when she came in to kill her. Best OCV I ever got against MSP with cable in my life :p The problem with this tactic is that most people don't want to take the chance of missing an AHVB for the greater yet risky cause of winning the match. :(