So Many Characters Wit So Little Point [Archive]

Tron Jon

10-19-2003, 10:46 PM

None of the characters are gay, and most of them can be effective in the right hands. Maybe not as effective as the big four, or even the top tier... but just because you can't make 'em work, doesn't mean that they're gay.

I don't mind your additional character list, though. And I would remove some of the characters you listed...

I guess chibi-Capcom, and Darkstalkers just don't suit your fancy.

Tron Jon

Dasrik

10-20-2003, 01:13 AM

BB Hood is fucking top tier insane girl material!

Remy Saotome

10-20-2003, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Heroin
MVC2 had many gay characters for instance

Roll
Mega-Man
Servbot
Trom-Bonne
Morrigan
Sakura
Felicia
B.B. Hood
Anakaris

This just goes to show that you do not understand the game. Of your list, Roll is the only useless one.

MM - decent trapping game w/ Rockball and Sent-y. Stops good rushdown cold w/ Sent-y and an AAA.
Servbot - Put him on balance assist and back him with Doom AAA. Learn to use Swarm+Doom effectively for massive chip damage. Also, his tiny size allows him to avoid even taking chip in many situations. Also counters Sent pretty well.
Tron - Insanely high-damaging proj assist, which is great for comboes. Semi-abusable Servbot Launcher. Really abusable TK Bonne Strike + cover assist.
Morrigan - Not a great character, probably lower third tier. But has a bizarre airdash and a few good comboes.
Sak - Decent dash assist which eats projectiles. In her dark form, she can teleport through all sorts of things and counter.
Felicia - You're kidding, right? Highly abusable Hyper Sand Splash which can especially punish assists and can even hit Mags out of a blocked c.sk. Assist -> Please Help Me! does great damage and is simple to do. Builds meter really, really well, especially with her fp throw. High priority airthrow, too. Best StriDoom counter in the whole damn game!
B.B. Hood - Good chip game. Good rusher. Cool Hunting has several good applications, especially in DHCs/THCs.
Anakaris - Learn the ranges on Coffin Drop and Idle Hands, that will work you wonders. Coffin Drop does great damage, and can even hit Storm when she is off-screen! Anakaris has a freaky fast/slow rushdown that is difficult to learn, but can be quite deadly. He also has a hard-to-pull-off combo that can finish off all three chars from full life. His c.fp has crazy high priority, and leads to all sorts of high damaging, good meter-building ACs.

Sessahoumaru

10-20-2003, 08:27 AM

It's not the characters alone, it's the teams. As was said, almost all people have a chance, but only with proper helper assists and overall team play.

True a team of

Morrigan, Felicia, and BB Hood is crap,

But put Replace certain characters with big 4 or doom or strider or something and you have a viable team.

No you can't play MVC with whatever team you want. But you can make a team that can contend depending on who you pick, and that's with the entire roster.

50mOrEcEnTz

10-20-2003, 02:30 PM

capcom characters wouldn't be playable in tournaments no matter if it were blanka, rolento, sodem, etc...for 3 reasons~!

no 8 way airdash

no FLIGHT mode like sent

nothing as dangerous as AHVB x 3

Magnetic Hail

10-20-2003, 02:48 PM

Strider :evil:

Remy Saotome

10-20-2003, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz
capcom characters wouldn't be playable in tournaments no matter if it were blanka, rolento, sodem, etc...for 3 reasons~!

no 8 way airdash

no FLIGHT mode like sent

nothing as dangerous as AHVB x 3
¡Tu eres loco tambien!

There're usable Capcom chars in MvC2. Some are even tourney-worthy. Strider, as Mag Hail already pointed out. Also on point, I've seen MM, Sim, and even the Servbots used in a tourney and do well. Also, as assists, you've got CapCom, Jin, Guile, Ken, Tron, iron Gief, and several that I'm prolly forgetting.

fishjie

10-20-2003, 11:30 PM

LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB

TRON BONNE SUCKS????

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

U STUPID WORTHLESS PIECE OF CRAP NOOB.

you have obviously never even played the game nor do you know what a "projectile assist" is. STFU pls.

it is the most damaging assist in the game. period. bar none. more than ROCKET PUNCH.= if you land her assist twice on a char, that's like 50% damage. and if you chain that into a combo. DEATH.

50mOrEcEnTz

10-21-2003, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by Remy Saotome

¡Tu eres loco tambien!

There're usable Capcom chars in MvC2. Some are even tourney-worthy. Strider, as Mag Hail already pointed out. Also on point, I've seen MM, Sim, and even the Servbots used in a tourney and do well. Also, as assists, you've got CapCom, Jin, Guile, Ken, Tron, iron Gief, and several that I'm prolly forgetting.

strider/DOOM....and i've seen megaman and sim used in a tourny...i want better results [although i like dahlsim]. Capcom, tron, and cammy...and maybe ken just for the strider/doom factor are good assists.

im not too sure where you play, but when you start gettin to a higher level, mm/sim/servbot/jin/guile/iron gief just don't cut it. like i said though, i like dahlsim, i'd play him first round of a tourny. and megaman can be a pain in the ass, but nothing to fear in a tourny for the most part.

(109)Name

10-21-2003, 06:19 AM

sakura.... is.... good....

im a complete noob but even i know that

and im willing to bet even roll isnt completely useless, its just that not many ppl have really bothered to find out how to play her

hadoken king

10-21-2003, 06:40 AM

MVC2 had many gay characters for instance

Roll - ok gay
Mega-Man - decent trap, and if u go to CTF, there's a MM user there, that absolutely ROCKS. he'd prolly be better if all 3 projectiles were always available to you, and i u had the option to shoot a leaf shield or hold it around you, rather than just hold, and tehn shoot.... or if it stayed permanently, until u get hit... be better for combos then
Servbot - better than roll, decent chip, but ok...
Trom-Bonne - projectile assist OWNS JOO
Morrigan - not bad.. i think she's better than ryu
Sakura - dark sakura OWNS JOO, but would be better if it was one meter
Felicia - again, not a bad mid tier character
B.B. Hood - same as above. some of her combos, like her missle inf roxx0r
Anakaris - high mid tier... really high mid tier. not near top, but definitely top of the mid tier

if u could replace them wit any other CAPCOM character(s) would they be or any character(s) u didnt want MARVEL or CAPCOM

I'd go

Guy - no projectile attacks, no chip, no range
Rolento - not bad, but i can't picture what he could do in the top of the screen.. knife is too small, and too fast
Sodom - again, no air attacks.
Demitri - would be cool, but morrigan > dim, so i dunno how u say dim is cool, but morrigan is not
Jedah - very good choice
Donovan - possible to be really good, however, anita might be better
Vega - i can see him being spiderman, with no projectile, and wall confusion
Sagat - yeah, like rolento... not good. i don't think it would be cool for him to do an air tiger, and he really couldn't be given any moves that make up for his slowness
Zero - yeah, that would be cool, but MM's projectile variety are more effective than a sword, and no variations

Remy Saotome

10-21-2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz
strider/DOOM....and i've seen megaman and sim used in a tourny...i want better results [although i like dahlsim]. Capcom, tron, and cammy...and maybe ken just for the strider/doom factor are good assists.

im not too sure where you play, but when you start gettin to a higher level, mm/sim/servbot/jin/guile/iron gief just don't cut it. like i said though, i like dahlsim, i'd play him first round of a tourny. and megaman can be a pain in the ass, but nothing to fear in a tourny for the most part. You've never seen a good MM. Rockball MM/Sent-y/(BH, Capcom) counters MSP so well that it isn't even funny. Also, if you're saying you'll allow Ken just for StriDoom counter factor, then you'd better allow Felicia, too, as she's the only gaurenteed(sp?) counter to a perfectly played StriDoom. Most wins vs StriDoom are b/c the StriDoom player whiffed a tele, not b/c of the other player's skill. Guile AAA makes life really hard for Sent when used correctly, and he can do some amazing things in third-vs-third situations. I also saw an amazing Spiral/Servs/Doom video once where Servs/Doom beat the tar out of Sent. Iron Gief can also make life very hard for rushdown, and is the only assist which is 100% safe to use vs Cable (no danger of AHVBxN finishing Gief). Jin is also a highly underestimated AAA. He has high priority, stuffs projectiles, does good damage and covers a lot of space. The main reason Jin isn't used too much is his lack of good point skills in third-vs-third or snapped-in situations.

hadoken king

10-21-2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Remy Saotome
You've never seen a good MM. Rockball MM/Sent-y/(BH, Capcom) counters MSP so well that it isn't even funny. Also, if you're saying you'll allow Ken just for StriDoom counter factor, then you'd better allow Felicia, too, as she's the only gaurenteed(sp?) counter to a perfectly played StriDoom. Most wins vs StriDoom are b/c the StriDoom player whiffed a tele, not b/c of the other player's skill. Guile AAA makes life really hard for Sent when used correctly, and he can do some amazing things in third-vs-third situations. I also saw an amazing Spiral/Servs/Doom video once where Servs/Doom beat the tar out of Sent. Iron Gief can also make life very hard for rushdown, and is the only assist which is 100% safe to use vs Cable (no danger of AHVBxN finishing Gief). Jin is also a highly underestimated AAA. He has high priority, stuffs projectiles, does good damage and covers a lot of space. The main reason Jin isn't used too much is his lack of good point skills in third-vs-third or snapped-in situations.

i see your point, but mainly on the target of assisting. there's plenty of good assists, but i think of it in the sens that...

2 good characters + 1 assist that compliments them...

msp, mag/cable/cyke, storm/cable/cyke, scrub, mag/s/d, etc...

once the assist is called out, and killed off, the rest of the team is off solo. sure, u have gief assisting you..... but although a good assist, u need to first mech him, then tag out... 1, will gief last long enough? 2. will you be able to safely tag out?

in the mag/s/d ex, doom is a great character, as is cyke, but what happens if they get snapped out and killed? the rest of the team is up shit's creek.

so although they are good assists, it makes for shitty team structure (not saying scrub, msp, etc are shitty teams, just dependant on assists, whereas ROW every1 can be more independant, cuz mags is first, and he's a maniac with sentinal-a, then if cable gets snapped in... or sent... so no matter who gets snapped in, the team still has a good character on top)

jus my .02

Higher-Jin

10-21-2003, 10:57 AM

Replace characters, you don't need bone claw. Magneto and Zangief are pretty nice, adn tagging in Sent is safe from low kick.

Blackheart2097

10-21-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Heroin
SNIP

You're fucking stupid. The only characters that really suck are roll/dan/chun li (debatable)/Zangief (debatable).

personally i think chun li is just terrible. Zangief is only good on groud assist when he's in metal form. other than that those r the 4 worst IMO.

mega man sucks? r u serious?

B.B Hood? keep away and massave damage from that super? i know you're not serious.

Anakaris is actually very good.

Tron Bonne? the assist alone says it all. As far as being on point she isn't that bad. compared to the 4 i mention earlier.

Sakura/Felicia? I'm gonna pretend like i didn't read that:rolleyes:

NinjMai

10-21-2003, 05:52 PM

I can understand one's personal opinions on Chun-Li, but to say that she "sucks" is not giving her the chance that you would give Ken or TBonne.

Sure, Chun-Li's not as strong as most characters. She doesn't have the best endurance or damaging super combos, but she doesn't need all of that necessarilly to get her success.

1) Assists- Chun-Li has one of, if not, the only overhead assist in MvC2 in the form of her expansion (Senenshuu)I learned from other Chun-Li players that it sets up good combos with Mags and the other combo-dependent people. Her AA (Tenshou-kyaku) is also a good launcher and can work wonders with Storm on the team (AA is my personal fave). Don't know about proj. Not a big use...

2) Air- She's not the fastest person, but she's sure as hell not slow either. Her aerial speed and mobility make her dangerous in the air. The only way to catch her is to chase her, lock her down, or have an assist for that, but Chun-Li is not meant to stay on the ground for long. Her headstomp has VERY good priority against most air attacks, and her ability to not only air dash, triple jump, wall jump with bonus triple makes her dominant.

I'm not saying that Chun is the best. This game was made for the Marvel characters to be dominant. All I say is that it takes actually trying Chun-Li out to say if she's good or not. It also depends on the whole team. She's effective with the right people...

Again, I do respect any opinions about Chun not being good, but consider this: Until TBonne's assist or CapCom's infinite grab were discovered for their usefulness, did anyone consider them effective as Capcom characters before then?

-NinjMai

WhentheSkyfalls

10-22-2003, 10:32 AM

Chunli's aa beats doom aa:lol:
tron has a square jump for high low games:D
Projectile assist enough said
Morrigan has trijump, aa is good, frame kill to soul eraser is an option
anakaris INCREDIBLY HIGH learning curve, but in the right hands:eek:

Remy Saotome

10-22-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by WhentheSkyfalls
Morrigan has trijump, aa is good, frame kill to soul eraser is an option SE is never an option with Morrigan. The ending lag on SE is so terrible that there's time for the opponent to get hit, recovery roll, and punish Morrigan back. SE is only an option if it'll kill.

Dasrik

10-22-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Remy Saotome
SE is never an option with Morrigan. The ending lag on SE is so terrible that there's time for the opponent to get hit, recovery roll, and punish Morrigan back. SE is only an option if it'll kill. Not true. Maybe in MvC1 and MAAAYBE if Morrigan is in the corner when she does it, but otherwise no sir.

WhentheSkyfalls

10-22-2003, 06:38 PM

well yeah you just cant throw it out. So you should wait for something to punish THEN frame kill.
Like frame killing with mag to iron man, instant super to SE.
Use frame kill to .... KILL.

Icege

10-23-2003, 05:57 AM

F3l1c1@ is teh greatesttt

Though I'd prefer J. Talbain over Ruby Heart cause I'm a worthless fanboy

Remy Saotome

10-23-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by Dasrik
Not true. Maybe in MvC1 and MAAAYBE if Morrigan is in the corner when she does it, but otherwise no sir.
About 90% of the time I connect an SE against the CPU, the CPU will get hit, recovery roll, and either bust out an AC on me or throw me.

EDIT: Before someone flames me with a "console only" label, I do play at arcades against other peeps. I just don't use Morrigan against other human opponents 'cause she's not very good (or I'm not good with her, take your pick.)

Heroin

10-24-2003, 11:03 AM

Will I really hate characters for comic use to be honest but these characters would be good for air combo use and air related stuff like that er whatever u know what I mean

Blanka - his rolling attacks
Vega - his off the wall claw attack and air throws
Jon Talbain - his move which is similiar to a flash kick and those move where he charges at cha which he could use in the air in this game
Rolento - all about in the air and off the walls with his off thew wall baton attack, knife throw and imagine makin' some nasty combos and two-in-ones wit' his baton twirl in this game :cool:
And I love my 2-in-one I made wit' him in Alpha. Do the Super Combo where u hang the opponent (go for a level 3 for good damage) then when the opponent drops and bounces off the ground hit them wit' a crouching fierce punch but it must be timed right to hit.

But yeah Sagat wit an air tiger, corny didnt think about that. But Zero woulda been much kooler than Mega-Man or what's his name I always forget his name, he from the original ones. He was in red wit' sunglasses and a scarf. And I feel havin' 2 Wolverines is a lil' off though they have different claws they shoulda just replaced him wit a character CAPCOM already had like Thor, Jubilee, Apocalypse (normal size) or Onslaught (normal size) etc. The same goes for Iron-Man & War-Machine unless they are 2 indiviudally different because I'm not very educated on Iron-Man.

hadoken king

10-24-2003, 01:21 PM

Blanka - Look at his normals... he'd be spiderman with electricity. and melee attacks that have lag and leave you open when u block = opening for ownership, therefore, blanka would suck here

Vega - possible... but he'd have too much space to cover.. he's never been in an enviornment with super jumping

Jon Talbain - i doubt it with the fact that he has nothing that would work in a large enviornment

Rolento - same reason as vega... his supers rely too much on the ground, where 25% of the match takes place, and his knife is too small for the large enviornment

Zero... good ALONG with megaman. i can't see anything zero could do that would be able to beat the top tiers.

do you mean proto man???

war machine and ironman are completely differnt..

how they're differnt...
ironman can clk, clk, shk... wm cannot
d.hp are different
shoulder cannon & proton blast thing are different
WM has a crouching beam
proton cannons are different
WM has faster repulsor blast
WM has the war destroyer
speeds are slightly different.

FOBio

10-25-2003, 10:07 PM

i wanted to see ibuki. i don't see the purpose of having two wolverines.
i don't think blanka would have been THAT bad. like, give him instant roll in the air, possibly no "kick back" (when he connects, he could just land instead of bouncing off), and i don't see why he couldn't have an eight way dash. it'll be like him rolling in a direction, kinda like chun li's dash.
and what if they had nightcrawler? it'd be like a spiderman with dhalsim teleportation. it'd be pretty crazy, i think.

Remy Saotome

10-26-2003, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by FOBio
and what if they had nightcrawler? it'd be like a spiderman with dhalsim teleportation. it'd be pretty crazy, i think. I've thought about Nightcrawler before, I'm not sure it would work. I mean, besides teleportation, what would he have for moves? Nightcrawler's not big on melee scrapping. He punches people from time to time, but he very rarely gets hits in.

I just don't think it would work. Same with Phoenix. I just can't see her in a fighting game, either.

I totally agree about the two Wolvies, though. If I could remove anyone from MvC2 I wanted, the only two would be Roll and Bonerine. I'd replace them with Jon Talbain and Ghost Rider. I'd also give Thanos his Time super back (:evil: ).

AzureKnightz

10-26-2003, 08:51 AM

any1 in the right handz is good, no matter wat u say. u jux gotta noe how u use them and their abilitez.

hadoken king

10-26-2003, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by AzureKnightz
any1 in the right handz is good, no matter wat u say. u jux gotta noe how u use them and their abilitez.

and you're smoking?

Remy Saotome

10-26-2003, 09:56 PM

Well, I think anyone (except Roll; she really is just plain shit) can do decently if given the right assists, too. Even Hayato, if backed by Sent-y and a good AAA, can compete with anyone, except the Big Four™ and a perfect StriDoom. But who can compete with them, really?

Actually, I think that a tourney where you were only allowed 1 of the Big Four™ on your team would probably see almost everyone played.

50mOrEcEnTz

10-26-2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Remy Saotome
Well, I think anyone (except Roll; she really is just plain shit) can do decently if given the right assists, too. Even Hayato, if backed by Sent-y and a good AAA, can compete with anyone, except the Big Four™ and a perfect StriDoom. But who can compete with them, really?

Actually, I think that a tourney where you were only allowed 1 of the Big Four™ on your team would probably see almost everyone played. doubt it...sent breaks every low tier's shit down. sorry man; u believe in da low tier, i believe in them to a certain extent. but me and u can not believe that a low tier is gun beat out a sentinel...come on, spit fly eliminates half of the GD cast.

Tron Jon

10-27-2003, 02:20 AM

Having played a near-perfect StriDoom, I gotta say Remy's right. He only needs one combo to knock Strider down 60%, but catching him is almost impossible.

You're right about Sentinel raping a lot of the low tier. You're wrong about Sentinel being insurmountable. You're right, however, about it being hella hard.

I need to play better Sentinels, if spit-fly can do anything like that.

Tron Jon

hadoken king

10-27-2003, 04:49 AM

servbot.... u can see lunch rush a mile away... and he has no other way to deal alot of damage...

dan... can be good... but has no range

and you said that without the big four, and 1 god tier

strider/sent/doom
spiral/blackheart/sentinal
megaman/sentinal/cyclops
blackheart/sentinal/capcom
mag/irnman/psy

Remy Saotome

10-27-2003, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz
doubt it...sent breaks every low tier's shit down. sorry man; u believe in da low tier, i believe in them to a certain extent. but me and u can not believe that a low tier is gun beat out a sentinel...come on, spit fly eliminates half of the GD cast. Sent's not that unbeatable! For one thing, not many players have the execution neccesary to keep spit-fly up indefinitely, much like StriDoom. Also, it can be super-jumped out of, easily if you have Sent assist to use as a meatwall (I know that can be HSF-semi-infied, but you can expect that, land behind enemy Sent, and bust out your own combo). Also, safe chipping teams can make life hard for a fly-cancel-crazy Sent. And there's always Servbot (see below).

Originally posted by hadoken king
servbot.... u can see lunch rush a mile away... and he has no other way to deal alot of damage...

dan... can be good... but has no range
Servbot shouldn't be using Lunch Rushes, anyway. He should be on balance assist for the Servbot Swarm super. Back him with Doom AA and watch the chip damage. You have to time the Swarms correctly, though. Either wait until just as they're about to land from a jump (so that they can't super-jump out) or force them to block using Doom, then call Servbot Swarm. The chip damage is utter insanity. Servs also counter Sent, as correctly used sk and rk Servocopter lock him down, and Sent has little that can even hit Servs, who stand underneath his c.fp and should always be too far away for a jp RP to connect.

The deal with Dan is corner comboes. He needs a good cover assist such as Sent, but if he can manage to get the opponent into the corner, it's GGPO. Granted, getting there is almost impossible, but not entirely. Plus there's always Otoko Michi, if you see a chance to land it.

Originally posted by hadoken king
and you said that without the big four, and 1 god tier
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. :confused:

Mixup

10-27-2003, 01:37 PM

What *GOOD* Sentinel players have you beaten with servbot?

Also, how many GOOD strider players have you beaten with felicia?

I'd like some proof, not just srk low tier blabber...

hadoken king

10-27-2003, 01:47 PM

i didn't know what his balance LR was... even that though... u can see it, with sent, sj, fly forwards, and it's done.

about what i was saying...

you said about haivng a good team using only 1 god tier, there'd be alot more characters in tournies...

honestly, i'd say...

80% of ppl would be using clockwork. the other 20% would be using mm/sentinal/x, and random others would prolly use mags/ironman/psy

and i've never seen a win with servbot, PERIOD

De4dEyE

10-27-2003, 07:56 PM

I actually used servbot + doom. Hold them in place with Doom, call the swarm thing and mash like crazy. Funny ass chip damage. 2 meters hurts like a bitch.

But well yeah, low tier can be played to a certain extent. But out of the top 4, Sent pretty much ruins everyone else's shit.

Side note - I've killed a decent Santhrax user with Serv/doom/tron. Was stupidly funny. Sent took chip like a little bitch, since he's so big.

- Good sent players pretty much own Servbot. The Doom/swarm thing doesn't work since all he needs to do is short doom in the face, and he goes away.

- Felicia on paper is the supposed counter to Stri/doom. In reality.... no.

Remy Saotome

10-27-2003, 10:42 PM

Honestly, I haven't ever played any of the big, well-known players.

But I've played Sents who know their stuff. First off all, you don't call Doom in Servs vs Sent. It's just Servs on their own, with possibly an occassional AAA if you have it. The main thing is careful use of rk Servocopters and dashing. If Sent takes to the air between Servocopters, you can dash back and forth away from him, and as soon as he approaches the ground again start calling more rk Servocopters. He's so big that he really can't handle it. You can Swarm as you get meter. The chipping is slow, but Sent can't fight back very well.

As for StriDoom vs Felicia, that's simple. The optimum team is Felicia/Sent/Ken. Sand Splashes and Ken AA keep the typical StriDoom tactics from working, and if he tries to runaway Felicia can rush him with drone cover. She can also on-reaction Hyper Sand Splash teles.