very important cammy information for udoneko

[chimitaru]

a friend of a friend has a Japanese book about SF Zero 3, and this is what it reveals...
Vega's 12 Dolls aren't clones of Cammy. Instead, they were kidnapped from various places around the world (and then supposedly genetically enhanced like Cammy). Here's a list of their names and the countries they came from...

1) Enero (Spain) - January
2) Fevrier (France) - February
3) Marz (Germany) - March
4) Aprile (Italy) - April
5) Satsuki (Japan) - May
6) Juni (Germany) - June
7) Juli (Germany) - July
8) Santum (Vietnam) - August
9) Xiayu (China) - September
10) Yanyu (China) - October
11) Noembelu (Latin) - November


this is also a scanned page from that book....

http://www.cammyfan.com/Cammy-info/fan-fics/cammyclones.gif

anyway i hope that you undoneko when or if planing to show more of bisons dolls in the future will remember these dolls and not create whole new ones.

[Giovanni]

Well, that 'scan' is listed under fan-fics and doesn't look anything like any sort of Capcom artwork I've ever seen. >.>

Doesn't seem very believable to me...

[chimitaru]

i dont care if it doesnt seem very believeable to you these dolls appeared in the streetfighter alpha 3 video game in cammys ending and its not listed under fan fics it listed under cammy news thats just a url probleme. i'm pretty sure the scan came from the book but i will check it out with stefan.

[Clay]

Yeah, all of his info is accurate, even the picture.

Anyway, I don't think that you have to worry about it because I'm pretty sure that Udon knows how to portray the dolls. They stated before that they are familiar with the story Faq, and all of this info and more is located within.

[chimitaru]

thankyou very much clay.:)

[gbursine]

thank you chimi.... that was the most inspiring thing on the dolls i've ever seen... u made me stay up all night holding off studying, just to make juli into decapre...shes teh hottest.

[Sonic Hedgehog]

Stefan, as in Stefan from Cammyfan.com?

If you DO know him, please inform him that he's a moron. I've never seen a bigger collection of mindless, biased shit on the net than cammyfan.com. The site really is insulting to the Street Fighter fan populace.

He takes being a hardcore closed minded fanboy to the next level.

I'm sure many others agree, that's probably why he doesn't make his email available ^_^

~Sonic

[Sano]

I'm sure he knows that lots of people don't like Stefan. Me included.

Japanese Fan Artist Ataru did really good drawings of the 12 Dolls. He's even drawn Gouken's daughter! Sadly, his Site is gone. (Still managed to print out all the drawings though! HEH! HEH!) Last time I visited, he was doing a Doujinshi Doll Manga!

[TiamatRoar]

Actually, I'm pretty sure those doujinshi are being done by friends of his, not him, himself. Art style isn't his.

And his site's still up. The URL just moved.

http://www002.upp.so-net.ne.jp/atr4440

[Ryuujin]

Originally posted by sano


He's even drawn Gouken's daughter!
I seriously want to see that

[chimitaru]

Originally posted by Sonic Hedgehog
Stefan, as in Stefan from Cammyfan.com?

If you DO know him, please inform him that he's a moron. I've never seen a bigger collection of mindless, biased shit on the net than cammyfan.com. The site really is insulting to the Street Fighter fan populace.

He takes being a hardcore closed minded fanboy to the next level.

I'm sure many others agree, that's probably why he doesn't make his email available ^_^

~Sonic



how is his site full of BS its true he is a little close minded and has a bit of what some might call an unusal obsession with cammy but hes not THAT bad.

[Sano]

TiamatRoar - Thanks! Glad to know his Site is still around! Gotta put it through one of them funky online translators when I get a chance.

His Gouken's Daughter Drawing should be there in the Art Section. I'll post a direct Link when I find it. Anyone, feel free to beat me to it!

[Sano]

Gouken's Daughter!

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_66.gif

And for all his great drawings including the Twelve Dolls -

http://www002.upp.so-net.ne.jp/atr4440/index_2.html

Say, is there a chance Studio Udon can hire Ataru or at least get him to provide a 12 Doll cover? Wishful thinking on my part!

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by sano
Say, is there a chance Studio Udon can hire Ataru or at least get him to provide a 12 Doll cover? Wishful thinking on my part!


I dunno how well such a thing would sell when no one besides a select few people on the net who've really researched it ever heard of the twelve Dolls...

[Ryuujin]

Originally posted by sano
Gouken's Daughter!

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_66.gif

And for all his great drawings including the Twelve Dolls -

http://www002.upp.so-net.ne.jp/atr4440/index_2.html

Say, is there a chance Studio Udon can hire Ataru or at least get him to provide a 12 Doll cover? Wishful thinking on my part!
Thanks for posting the link, she reminds me of Maki :eek:

[Zamuel]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar

I dunno how well such a thing would sell when no one besides a select few people on the net who've really researched it ever heard of the twelve Dolls...

It could work if he was a backup artist. A number of non hardcore SF fans like the issue 3 all girl cover and don't know who all the girls are. Besides "You Know You Want It"...

[TiamatRoar]

Well, I was talking about the cover, not the backup story. Unless you mean a cover done by a back up artist. In which case, I suppose Udon could spare it given they release four covers per issue, anyways, so one with vague characters wouldn't be too risky. Although.... where would they find a back-up artist that would care to draw the twelve Dolls? Course, I suppose there's the chance the back-up artist could have love at first site (like me!) and thus be willing to do it.

[chimitaru]

what number gives the link to the twelve dolls picture?

[Sano]

They are all in the second Link I provided earlier. I'll provide seperate Links for the 12 for easy identification. Some are up there more than once but I'll post one each so you can tell them apart. Can't do it this very minute but I will when I get around to it.

[Rogue328]

There could always be a one shot explaining the origin of Cammy, Juli, Juni, and the rest of the dolls. ;) *winks towards Mr. Ko* ;)

[Sano]

Cammy

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_37.jpg

Enero

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_36.jpg

Fevrier

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_58.jpg

Marz

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_29.jpg

Aprile

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_51.jpg

Satsuki

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_27.jpg

Juni

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_62.gif

Juli

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_68.gif

Santamu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_31.jpg

Xiayu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_53.jpg

Jianyu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_54.jpg

Noembulu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_55.jpg

Decapre

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_26.jpg

[BBCampbell]

Are those pics "official" (as is from Capcom)?

Why, oh why hasn't Capcom used these designs yet? (Because of memory restrictions, I know...)

At any rate, all of those pics (especially Juni) are beyond unnnnf!

[Gojira]

Originally posted by BBCampbell
Are those pics "official" (as is from Capcom)?

Why, oh why hasn't Capcom used these designs yet? (Because of memory restrictions, I know...)

At any rate, all of those pics (especially Juni) are beyond unnnnf!

A few of them show up in the intro before you have to fight Juni and Juli together in SFA3. They're only there for a second before Juli steps out from behind Juni, but they're there. So technically they are used.

[Sano]

Nah, while the 12 Dolls are Official, those drawings were done by Japanese Fan Artist Ataru. Check my previous Posts on this Thread for a link to all his drawings.

[BBCampbell]

I knew about the other 10 dolls for a while now, what I meant was did a Capcom artist draw those pictures. The Dolls were sorta used in SFA3, but all those are are altered Juli & Juni sprites (who were in turn altered Cammy sprites).

What I meant was that other than Juli & Juni, none of the other Dolls actually do anything.

I swear Satsuki could whoop so much ass, Xianyu too. At least put Nomebelu in so T. Hawk could have some semblance of a storyline and not be a big oafish grappler with a Native American stereotype.

[Sano]

Oh, my bad...

I wonder if the US comic will have T.Hawk looking for Juli instead of Noembulu, if they get even that deep into T.Hawk's story at all. Even SF Eternal seems to go along with T.Hawk searching for Juli now.

Yeah, either Capcom or Studio Udon should hire Ataru! One can only dream...

[chimitaru]

Originally posted by sano
Cammy

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_37.jpg

Enero

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_36.jpg

Fevrier

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_58.jpg

Marz

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_29.jpg

Aprile

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_51.jpg

Satsuki

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_27.jpg

Juni

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_62.gif

Juli

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_68.gif

Santamu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_31.jpg

Xiayu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_53.jpg

Jianyu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_54.jpg

Noembulu

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_55.jpg

Decapre

http://homepage.mac.com/atr4440/hyoushi/top_26.jpg



wow thanks for the links!!!!!!!

[CharlieNash]

Wow those are very good drawings! I really like that picture of Decapre! Someone get the artist a job at Udon :)

[shiningsoul]

Random thing I noticed: In the Alpha series we have the 12 Cammy clones. In SF3 we have necro and twelve (they're clones too). I think the alpha series got a better deal.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by shiningsoul
Random thing I noticed: In the Alpha series we have the 12 Cammy clones. In SF3 we have necro and twelve (they're clones too). I think the alpha series got a better deal.


There are twelve Necro clones, too (with Twelve of course being the twelfth). They even have the same "12 clones jump onto the screen" battle animation that Juni and Juli together in arcade mode have as a special intro vs Necro. ...I think it was more a lazy Capcom just reusing the same idea (with Alpha getting the better deal, of course) than any special connection, though.

[chimitaru]

intresting tiamatrour i think thats how your names spelt whos your favourite doll agent? mine will always be cammy.

[RagNa]

well maybe this doesn't relate to the topic that much... but just out of my curiosity... which Cammy u think looks the best??

Delta Red (green outfit)

Anti-Robot Special Forces cammy(green outfit slightly darker i belive) last and not the least

Shadowloo (blue outfit the newer version) Cammy

i personnaly like the newer version of cammy, when she is in MvC2... cuz the other version seems some what distorted in her body size :bluu:

[Rogue328]

I like the current outfit, although I still don't understand why she doesn't have a full body suit like Juni and Juli do. However, I do prefer the current outfit in green as opposed to blue.

[chimitaru]

do you have to ask? cammy is the best doll there is and eventually if the street fighter comic stays close to game continuity cammy will take on all the dolls by herself and come on top cause shes that good.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by chimitaru
do you have to ask? cammy is the best doll there is and eventually if the street fighter comic stays close to game continuity cammy will take on all the dolls by herself and come on top cause shes that good.


Actually, I have reason to believe that in game continuity, it was the twelve Dolls (or however many it was that Cammy fought) that beat Cammy. Bison wouldn't have betrayed them had they never made it back to report to him in the first place (Cammy, meanwhile, for whatever reason, was spared anyways by the Dolls since she shows up in Juli's ending, anyways)

[chimitaru]

acctuallly in game continuity and i remember this exzactly it was cammy who beat up both juni and juil but spared there lives because they were unwitting toys for bison. but the endings change with whichever character you beat the game with.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by chimitaru
acctuallly in game continuity and i remember this exzactly it was cammy who beat up both juni and juil but spared there lives because they were unwitting toys for bison. but the endings change with whichever character you beat the game with.



The problem being that the official statement of the twelve Dolls betraying Bison could never have happened had Cammy beaten them. There is only one known fact about what the Dolls did in SFA3 that's actually been hard stated by Capcom, and that's it. The only way for it to possibly happen is Juli's version of the storyline in SFA3 (since the Dolls don't betray Bison in Cammy's version. She just beats them and moves on), and there Juli (and company) either beat Cammy or Cammy convinced them to stop fighting but go back to Bison and lie that they killed her, anyways. I'm leaning towards the latter, myself, but either way, there isn't any way that it's portrayed in game that doesn't contradict with the official statement of the twelve Dolls fighting Bison that resulted from Cammy beating Juni and Juli. Granted, a LOT of the in-game portrayal of the canon storyline is insanely unreliable (sigh... crazy Capcom).

[BigMex]

Happy New Year Peeps,
Had some down time so I drew up this Decapre wallpaper for y'all. Since you were talking about the dolls and all... It's PG-13 so be careful if you click on the link:
http://clas.lbcc.edu/sf/decapre_wall.jpg
When I get more time I'll try to bigger and better illustrations. Have a great new year!
Peace,
BM

[chimitaru]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar




The problem being that the official statement of the twelve Dolls betraying Bison could never have happened had Cammy beaten them. There is only one known fact about what the Dolls did in SFA3 that's actually been hard stated by Capcom, and that's it. The only way for it to possibly happen is Juli's version of the storyline in SFA3 (since the Dolls don't betray Bison in Cammy's version. She just beats them and moves on), and there Juli (and company) either beat Cammy or Cammy convinced them to stop fighting but go back to Bison and lie that they killed her, anyways. I'm leaning towards the latter, myself, but either way, there isn't any way that it's portrayed in game that doesn't contradict with the official statement of the twelve Dolls fighting Bison that resulted from Cammy beating Juni and Juli. Granted, a LOT of the in-game portrayal of the canon storyline is insanely unreliable (sigh... crazy Capcom).


you know aswell as i do that all the ending in streetfighter alpha threee contradict each other. but if you play with cammy and she beats up both juni and juli she then later defeats bison removing all the brain washing done to them. but then again that same alpha video game regarded both juni and juli as mere clones of bison when its been stated none of the dolls are. this makes my head spin so lets just say they all decided to beat up bison together and had tee afterwards.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by chimitaru



you know aswell as i do that all the ending in streetfighter alpha threee contradict each other. but if you play with cammy and she beats up both juni and juli she then later defeats bison removing all the brain washing done to them. but then again that same alpha video game regarded both juni and juli as mere clones of bison when its been stated none of the dolls are. this makes my head spin so lets just say they all decided to beat up bison together and had tee afterwards.


Actually, Juli's ending doesn't contradict Cammy's at all, considering that it's practically the same exact thing. The storyline in-game before the ending, perhaps, but it's never shown or stated by the game (or by Capcom) what happened after Juli's fight with Cammy when you play as Juli, or what happened after Cammy's fight with Juni and Juli when you play as Cammy for that matter (Cammy doesn't talk about it with Bison and there's no after battle dialogue, and there's no after battle dialogue for when you beat Cammy with Juli either so exactly what happened during the battle is kinda hard to judge, although Juli does report to Bison that she defeated Cammy while Cammy doesn't mention Juni and Juli at all in her pre-battle dialogue with Bison).

Going by OFFICIAL STATEMENTS, Cammy beating Juni and Juli as portrayed by the game is impossible. If it were just about the game, you'd be right. But it's not. It's also taking into account official statement.

However, it's true that they probably did all try to beat up Bison together (or, another possibility implied by the game is that Bison beat the Dolls then Cammy came in and saved them from him).

Oh, and no where in the game does it EVER say that Juni and Juli are clones of Bison. Only Cammy was ever stated to be a clone by the game, in which case, the game is correct.

[CharlieNash]

Wow nice job with the fan art! me likes ^_^

Oh and about the whole uli Juni things yup they are not clones it's even thought that Julie...errr or Juni(can't...telll...apart 0_o) is being looked for by ol' Thunder Hawk. Plus they were all kidnapped and such

[chimitaru]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar



Actually, Juli's ending doesn't contradict Cammy's at all, considering that it's practically the same exact thing. The storyline in-game before the ending, perhaps, but it's never shown or stated by the game (or by Capcom) what happened after Juli's fight with Cammy when you play as Juli, or what happened after Cammy's fight with Juni and Juli when you play as Cammy for that matter (Cammy doesn't talk about it with Bison and there's no after battle dialogue, and there's no after battle dialogue for when you beat Cammy with Juli either so exactly what happened during the battle is kinda hard to judge, although Juli does report to Bison that she defeated Cammy while Cammy doesn't mention Juni and Juli at all in her pre-battle dialogue with Bison).

Going by OFFICIAL STATEMENTS, Cammy beating Juni and Juli as portrayed by the game is impossible. If it were just about the game, you'd be right. But it's not. It's also taking into account official statement.

However, it's true that they probably did all try to beat up Bison together (or, another possibility implied by the game is that Bison beat the Dolls then Cammy came in and saved them from him).

Oh, and no where in the game does it EVER say that Juni and Juli are clones of Bison. Only Cammy was ever stated to be a clone by the game, in which case, the game is correct.




where are the official statements that say that juni and juli defeated cammy? i havent seen any but judging from game continuity it appears so.just because cammy never questions bison about beating juni and juli doesnt mean it never occured. after all during the time cammy was fightning off bisons infulences.you seem blinded by the fact that your precious juni and juli couldnt hold a candle to cammy which is why cammy got to have her own personal uniforms and which is why she BEAT the crap out of them. as for cammy being a clone i dont think they meant it in the exzact sense of the word instead as me and stefan believe she was kidnapped and experimented on using gene therapy where cammy was given bisons genetic traits etc.oh and juli and juni arent clones my apologies.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by chimitaru


you seem blinded by the fact that your precious juni and juli couldnt hold a candle to cammy

Actually, I've already stated my beliefs a while ago that Cammy was stronger than Juni or Juli. The Street Fighter Plot guide has a 'deduced power tiers' section after all.

I'm not going to continue this conversation with you. Considering that you can not accept the fact that Cammy is a clone after Street Fighter 2 Revival and even Studio Udon has hinted in a way that she is (and they're the ones with the direct link to Capcom, not you or Stefan's guesswork), that you're relying on guesswork while I'm relying on official statements taken directly from various official sources like All About Capcom, Street Fighter Eternal, and Capcom's Japanese website, and you've resorted to childish flaming like this, I'm not going to have this conversation with you any further, because you are obviously the one who is blind.

[Sagatryu]

Juli and Julia have more than the combine strength of bison's other 4000 skilled martial artists in Shadaloo put together.

plus the other 10 dolls have more than the combine strength of bison's other 20000 skilled martial artists in Shadaloo put together

which means juil and juila and the rest of the dolls combine are stronger than bison's other 24000 skilled martal artists.

[chimitaru]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar


Actually, I've already stated my beliefs a while ago that Cammy was stronger than Juni or Juli. The Street Fighter Plot guide has a 'deduced power tiers' section after all.

I'm not going to continue this conversation with you. Considering that you can not accept the fact that Cammy is a clone after Street Fighter 2 Revival and even Studio Udon has hinted in a way that she is (and they're the ones with the direct link to Capcom, not you or Stefan's guesswork), that you're relying on guesswork while I'm relying on official statements taken directly from various official sources like All About Capcom, Street Fighter Eternal, and Capcom's Japanese website, and you've resorted to childish flaming like this, I'm not going to have this conversation with you any further, because you are obviously the one who is blind.




qoutes please? all you have is hints but no FACTS.

[chimitaru]

Originally posted by Sonic Hedgehog
Stefan, as in Stefan from Cammyfan.com?

If you DO know him, please inform him that he's a moron. I've never seen a bigger collection of mindless, biased shit on the net than cammyfan.com. The site really is insulting to the Street Fighter fan populace.

He takes being a hardcore closed minded fanboy to the next level.

I'm sure many others agree, that's probably why he doesn't make his email available ^_^

~Sonic




stefan had to stop access from his e-mail because too many streetfighter trolls were e-mailing him death threats and other hateful material.

[DeadlyRaveNeo]

hmm is Decapre = Cammy ???