Top 10 Best Alpha 3 Characters

[Vampire Savior]

Street Fighter Alpha 3

1.Shin Akuma
2.Evil Ryu
3.Rolento
4.Adon
5.Fei-Long
6.Cody
7.Guy
8.Juli
9.Gen
10.Shin M. Bison

[twitch077]

:rolleyes:

[user5304792]

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[Prowess]

1.Shin Akuma
2.Evil Ryu
3.Rolento
4.Adon
5.Fei-Long
6.Cody
7.Guy
8.Juli
9.Gen
10.Shin M. Bison


ROFLMAO...

-holds his chest-

omg

i almost died....

[SaBrE]

thats gotta be the worst tier ranking i have ever heard for a game... :rolleyes: :confused:

[TS]

Well, none of them are BAD characters...except for Juli. And if we're talking home versions I guess Shin Akuma could be #1...

But, yeah. Hella, hella wrong...

[Vampire Savior]

FUCK YOU I DON'T NEED YOUR IGNORANT OPINIONS I CAN KICK YO' ASSES WIT' ALL DEEZ CHARACTERS SO SUCC A DICC!

[io]

back to the circus, clown

[epsilon_]

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
FUCK YOU I DON'T NEED YOUR IGNORANT OPINIONS I CAN KICK YO' ASSES WIT' ALL DEEZ CHARACTERS SO SUCC A DICC!
I think you would benifit by learning English.

[_MJ_]

you forgot to add Dan silly.:lol:

[IcecreamPhoenix]

Very interesting indeed, what are your sources? :confused:

[Lord Of The Stf]

1-akuma
2-dhalsim
3-sakura
4-vega
-5 shoto
6- gief
7-balrog
8- cody
9- v-charlie
10-hummm.....all the v-mode are good actually :P depand on how u play them!:cool:

[SaBrE]

not true, there are a lot of characters that suck in v-ism, balrog guy, and gen in particular, but balrog especially. he has no vc's except for air to air ch into cc vc. definitely not worthwhile.vega is definitely not top 4. very high 2nd tier tho. top 4 for the past 2 years has been akuma,gief,sakura,sim in no particular, with v-ryu trailing. after that, its all a blur, anything happens after that.

[Lord Of The Stf]

Originally posted by SaBrE
not true, there are a lot of characters that suck in v-ism, balrog guy, and gen in particular, but balrog especially. he has no vc's except for air to air ch into cc vc. definitely not worthwhile.vega is definitely not top 4. very high 2nd tier tho. top 4 for the past 2 years has been akuma,gief,sakura,sim in no particular, with v-ryu trailing. after that, its all a blur, anything happens after that.

well i didn't put the name by top 10 in order..
i was just making out the 10 chars is mostly top player ..
i didn't mean vega at ranked 4th place u undertsand..?
and actually Vega ..is good again gief ..sakura..and sim..and akuma as well...like i said depand how u play how do u understand the gamesystem..

and when i said ..v-mode is actually good... id idn't mean good for evry chars either..but most of teh chars yes v-mode is good..

[Prowess]

Sorry, Balrog, and Vega are no where near the top. While they are good characters in thier own respect they get owned by the true top tiers.

In my opinion tiers should look something like this. Grouped, in no particular order.

Tier One
Gouki
Sim
Sakura
Gief

Tier Two
Ryu
Chun
Cody
Charlie
Gen
Sagat
Ken
Karin

Tier Three
Adon
Rolento
Rose
Vega
Guy
Cammy
R.Mika

Tier Four
Dan
Sadom
Bison
Birdie
Blanka
Honda

Last two tiers are kinda scetchy, but I am pretty certain about the first two. An before I get the "when used correctly he/she is top tier" speach let me say this. As with all characters, low tier doesnt mean they are useless, it just means there are other characters who can do what they do better, or with minimal effort. Also, normally, if they are in the bottom two tiers, all characters in the 1st and top 2nd tiers own them for free. Hope this helps, but I am almost positive this has been discussed here before...

[SaBrE]

you left out characters, sodom is high 2nd tier. and guy and rolento belong in tier 2 also.

[Drag]

Sodom high 2nd? >shrugs<
Guy in 2nd? You really think he's on par with Ryu/Nash/etc? I didn't think he was that good.

Oh yeah Prowess, you spelled Cammy wrong in Tier 3. It's spelled J, U, N, I.

[Prowess]

lol@Drag

Yeah, you are right about that one. Juni>>>>>cammy. But I didnt feel like naming secret characters, I was lazy. So 'Rog, and the cammy counter parts didnt get put in. But for the sake of putting it there. Rog is 3rd tier, Juni high 2nd, and the other heffer is usless...

Sabre, i think you are right, it forgot about v-sadom, but i still dont think that makes him "high" second tier when most of the people in 2nd tier can beat him pretty much hands down. So if anything, I would put him and Guy high 3rd tier. But not quite second tier. Guy to me would be lower tiered cause of his lack of low moves and pokes. Its hard to play a high low game with him against some one who knows half of what they are dealing with. You pretty much have his basic two in ones into 236+k to use on the ground. The chain combos wiffs standing opponents and his over head is blockable on reaction. While he has disgustingly damaging combos, its more than a notion to actually catch them on people. Hes a one trick pony with a basic mind game that rely's solely on his speed. Which doesnt help you much when you are being rushed down, or can't jump because someone in v has full meter. Honestly, his speed is good, but I cant honestly see that helping him against a v-chun who will stuff everything he has in the air or ground for free, v-nash zones him to death untill he jumps and then if he has level, Guy gets owned. Gen can match his combo-ability and has a way better ground game, only place guy wins (sometimes, but rarely) is in the air, but Guy's jump is so high its telegraphed. Cody owns him in the air and on the ground, and if he gets cornered its over, he cant jump either. Sagat's ground game is far more superior, he can zone, and crouching/standing fierce is rediculous. Do we really need to break down the x/v-ken and v-ryu match up against him? only person I can see him having a reasonably good chance against is Karin, and she still has a better ground/high-low game and a v combo mind game/set up that he doesnt have. Sadom has a decent v, but his ground game is weak. Some one with good pokes/projectiles will sit there and run his ass. CC fierce combo looks sweet, but unless you are playing newbies who jump on sadom when he has full level you arent going to hit them with it much. Sadom doesnt have anything to fear but the v honestly. He is extreamly basic really... On paper, he doesnt even beat anyone who is in tier 3. Realistically, I would consider both Guy and Sadom scrub killers. They are only good under spicific circumstances and otherwise only considered mediocre or less.

Rolento is a bit different, he can zone a little better because of high priority pokes and a projectile, which makes him decent in a, and quite formitable in v. So i agree with you on that. I had forgotten playing nibors rol and having this done to me. He has some nasty corner lock downs that I would put on par with cody's. His lack of damage is his only downfall.

[Drag]

Doesn't Rolento have an infinite that he can connect off of any VC? If so, he's difinitely a beast.

[SaBrE]

for one, cody gets owned for free on ground by guy. cody cant do a damn thing to guy's slide.

2nd, guy is a poiking machine and rushdown maniac with run cancels. he is far from a 1 trick pony. i just dont think you seen a real a-guy in action. massive rushdown, killer AA, excellent pokes and range game, great supers, he is extremely good at punishing flips, resets. tons of shit. hes even better if you know how to proximity cancel. his downfall is he is extremely hard to use and he sucks in V.

also, 1 c.jab counter = death. c.jab ch, s.strong, lvl3 kick super into whatever means atleast 80%. also aa c.strong leads to free bushin grab for tons of damage into more grabs if they flip out wrong after the first flip. also his s.forward and c.rh(slide) are incredible pokes for zoning. and qcb+p is excellent to passthrough fb's and a great poke string ender thats safe. his hk also has some damn good priority. while it can be air blocked, opponent can be screwed if near a corner air blocking it cuz guy can get free c.strong while still in air block stun into level 3 punch superor whatever you like.

i can go on and on. but its all opinion. guy is one of those characters, in my eye, that doesnt have any bad matchups, but doesnt have any fights in his favor either. hes more of a player reliant character.

as for sodom, he can hang with most characters. he owns gief with one move, some times 2, for free. so thats a major plus :D i think his only true bad matchups are sim(duh hehe), ryu and akuma just for the fact that hopkicks own his slide for a free 2 hit(hopkick xx dp or what have you), sakura, and chun. maybe rolento, but that turns into more of a cat and mouse game. but you gotta look at his good sides. his slide is so freaking good. most of his ground normals make for crazy good poke strings. combos into the 360+k fucking hurt. his vc's are extremely good and easy vc into cc setup for free 48% meter back. killer crossup. his 360+p may not be instant but is still hella good and you never have to worry about wiffing it cuz of blockstun. his wakeup crabwalk reversal move is a nice suprise and can get you out of sticky situations. so much stuff...

im just stating basics. i really dont want to go too deep and bore people. this is all IMO and what ive experienced over time with the good players...

[Lord Of The Stf]

hum well..is just about opinion and experience gaming..
coz evryone don't have the same opinion ..
u can say guy vs cody...and guy win..
it's all depand who playing the char..
i can easely pickr.mika and kill v-akuma.. if akuma player (suck)
and mika player is good...u know what i mean..

so it's all about experience and what u learn and what you seeng before ...but doesn't really what you seeng is what supose to be ..:)

[SaBrE]

i base all this with people on same level. thats how tiers are established

[twitch077]

didn't apoc say v-sagat is now top tier after he talked to bas?

[Temujin]

These are the tiers for my personally played characters.

1st tier : Sakura

2nd tier : Zangief, Cammy, Sagat, Dan, Rose

3rd tier : Ryu, Ken, Chun-li

4th tier : Birdie, Rolento, Sodom

[dogberry]

hey sabre, can you give some advice about how guy is played aggressively? Usually when i play against, say, Ryu they just like to jump back and start throwing FBs. So i end up doing a lot of jumping up, walking back and forth and the occasional poke. Low strong for AA. But I can never really put him on the defensive or get him with a lot of poke strings. And I can't seem to tag him with the bushin flip grab if he flips out after a low strong AA. So how does guy get the free grab after low strong AA?

As you can probly tell a3 is dead where i live.

[Prowess]

For one, Guy has never.... ever.... EVER owned Cody. Ever. Most of his pokes are mid (bad point #1), His over head is slow (# 2), he crouching normals are decent, but far from enough to make up for the ones that are punishable unless from maximum range (#3). His run game is only viable with distance, which he wont get because cody zones so well and punishes him in the air (#4). His slide kick is extreamly punishable unless from a run because cody can just hop kick it similar to any shoto (I wont even count this because I said some of his low normals were punishable).

All you have really managed to explain to me was the obvious which I tried to say partially in my last post. He has a weak grou game, he can two in one into some punishing things but its still too inconsistant. How is he a rush down machine just because he has a run? Who really sits there and jumps on Guy's roundhouse, seriously. There is no reason you should be jumping on guy much in A at all unless you are a newbie. Most characters beat him on the GROUND because his ground game lacks. He has simple bull dog tactics that try to bait you into jumping so he can force you to backtrack and give him space for his run game, simply put. If he cant either read who he is playing, or bait them, he cant win. Or rather, its very hard for him to. He has an impossibel time against priority abusers like chun and Gen because they will just poke him out of start up time on moves. His really good pokes arent useful unless they are counter hit, and again, you have to bait/read them to get it off. How can you base some ones intire game off of counter hits when people like Gen, Chun, Cody, Charlie, and hell... even Karin, will punish you just as badly off of ANYTHING. And they have a better wake up game and high low. I dont understand where you are coming from with that.

And Sadom is like I said, he is good, but its almost exclusively cercomstantial. Guy is better, I have seen people do him justice in v contrary to popular belief, and I have seen him beast in a. But most people who play him will even tell you, he is a novelty item. If they need to win against high level players they dont pick him unless for a spicific cercomstance. Otherwise is just for fun.

[Drag]

Kinda what he said..

Guy is fun as hell, and he can win sure. But even with all the stuff you mentioned, It's not good enough IMO. He can't VC (yes, I said it :)), Gief eats him, running games aren't safe, and slide/forward are overrated. Slide is good from range, but easily punishable if avoided. You're in bad shape if that happen to jump straight up when you do it. Forward is good for range and it hits stuff, but too slow to be used all the time. S.Strong is one of his best pokes IMO (but I'm just a run whore).

Not saying he's bad. Just I don't see him being the powerhouses that the other guys are.

Sagat is definitely good. Dunno about top tho. >shrugs<

Dogberry: Unless you AA c.strong is a counter-hit, you can't combo anything after anyways. Except for a really quick hitting move (punch super ? :)). If you counterhit, and cancel your low strong directly into bushin grab, they won't be able to flip. Free grab. Try strong bushin grab.

[Prowess]

V-Sagat = equivallent vc damage to ryu, maybe a little more. He can zone better then nash and punish your even worse. I am not suprised that he is top tier. He is a monster, seriously. Only other char more intimidating to me is a mastered v-gief.

Gief in v-ism is fuckin super man... forget what anyone else tells you. I have had the otg vc put on me, that shit is very un cool. Just when you think you are safe "VC activate" and he comes flying across the screen to rape you during fireball recovery... scary.

-shivers-

[Sabin]

wth vsodom doesnt get "beat" by the midtier chars. he's at the top of the 2nd tier, almost top tier. in fact he only really outright loses to top tiers imo. and even those fights arent total scrapings.

wth vsodom mediocre lol. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. sorry i cant help but laugh. prowness obviously you've never seen eddie lee/chikyuu play vsodom in their prime. sup strong pokes, best slide in the game (hella safe), and 80% vc into infinite. lol. yeah he's mediocre :confused:

damn i just read that you thought guy was better than sodom too..anyone who plays a3 seriously knows outright that sodom is way better than guy. cmon bro. not even worth breaking it down.

[Violent Requiem]

Isn't Karin high 2nd? Right under Nash and with Sodom?

-R

[Sabin]

Originally posted by Violent Requiem
Isn't Karin high 2nd? Right under Nash and with Sodom?

-R

i play karin pretty religously...shes good, in 2nd tier yea but shes not quite on sodoms/nash's level imo. she's hella good, has fast walking speed, safe rekkas (if blocked) which lead to sakura-like ambiguous crossups if connected, some of the best throws in the game, has true antiair/otg customs, hell, she has guaranteed customs off a blocked move which are 100% FREE unless you alpha counter out, teleport away, or do a move that makes you airborne so you get counterhit and flip out.

she has decent crouch cancels from anywhere and after her CC, but....her customs dont hurt as much as the top tier, (tho she has hella good crouch cancels afterwards) she has no fb, so its hard for her to get in at times (especially against sim, ugh), and she cant build vism that well. practically all of the chars in the upper 2nd/top tier (sim doesnt count) can build meter pretty much for free at will by whiff throws, whereas karin cant build meter at all if she misses her CC's, but like i said before she has guaranteed setups.

i wouldnt put karin quite at the top of 2nd..but she definetely almost is up there imo. she can put up a good fight against alot of the cast, i <3 her

[Sabin]

hrm...just read your post mastermao about vega.

vega is not good against sim. once sim gets a lead on vega he can't do jack shit or get in at all. his vc's dont hurt enough, and he gets outprioritized hella bad.

vs gief, it's not too bad until the gief player knows how to kattobi cancel. then you eat high damage vc for free. unless you can do his true antiair custom (stand short flipkick, b+rh, flipkick, etc) which is hella hella hella hard to do. still a uphill battle for vega tho, but he has some options at least, he can practically run away the whole match without vega being able to do shit.

sakura, he doesnt beat at all either. just cause i was able to beat temujin multiple times against his sak does not mean vega beats sakura. against sak player with good footsies, vega gets shut down hella hard. trust me on this one, you should watch how choi/ricky sakura plays this fight, i never pick vega against them, its too fucking hard.

akuma. do i really need to break this down? he dies to akuma super free. like 9-1, nope can't do shit at all. one of the worst matchups in the game imo. lol he cant even get around random short hurricanes that well. lolol.

[Violent Requiem]

Art,

I'm a big fan of Karin's ever since I saw a Japanese guy just destroy with her. I dunno about meter building (He never missed his VC, so he always cc'd for meter). She seems pretty solid, but I have no idea how to play her and there's very little info other than like, one of her custom's and almost no set ups... Could you pm me and maybe give me some info? I'd really appreciate it.

-R

[Apoc]

wth, how is Balrog weak? I'm offended:P It seems to me that every match is winnable for him aside from Chun Li which I've won more than lost(but playing Chun and deductive reasoning makes it obvious that she rapes him even if most don't understand how)? How is Rog low at all? I'd like to know what ppl think his losing matches are. I think ppl just don't wanna think about him because if they did he wouldn't be so low. He rapes half of the characters listed higher than him.

V-Vega is definately up there to.

I just don't get opinions sometimes(shrug).

Gotta agree with Sabin on V-Sodom too. Unless you have a command reversal his vcs are so safe that he can randomly activate and of course, as Sabin mentioned, if he hits you....

Aside from 5 top characters, it's all a blur, I think. The game looks a lot more balanced after years of breaking down.

Apoc.

[Lord Of The Stf]

Originally posted by Sabin
hrm...just read your post mastermao about vega.

vega is not good against sim. once sim gets a lead on vega he can't do jack shit or get in at all. his vc's dont hurt enough, and he gets outprioritized hella bad.

vs gief, it's not too bad until the gief player knows how to kattobi cancel. then you eat high damage vc for free. unless you can do his true antiair custom (stand short flipkick, b+rh, flipkick, etc) which is hella hella hella hard to do. still a uphill battle for vega tho, but he has some options at least, he can practically run away the whole match without vega being able to do shit.

sakura, he doesnt beat at all either. just cause i was able to beat temujin multiple times against his sak does not mean vega beats sakura. against sak player with good footsies, vega gets shut down hella hard. trust me on this one, you should watch how choi/ricky sakura plays this fight, i never pick vega against them, its too fucking hard.

akuma. do i really need to break this down? he dies to akuma super free. like 9-1, nope can't do shit at all. one of the worst matchups in the game imo. lol he cant even get around random short hurricanes that well. lolol.

hehehhe well Thx arturo for the hints :) but....i can do the anti air i can pull it out like at least 8 on 10..mostly it take like 60% damage or abit more if u get it all right..and i also linked to an infinite....but is true v-vega again sim is hella hard once sim take the lead..coz is hard to give some damage to sim ..and vc doesn hurt at all..coz of sim teleport...
again v-sodom..i thin is pretty fair thought...sodom v-combos hurt hella bad...but i think vega still ahve a better range n poke on him..also if u keep on jumping alot ..katobi cancel wouldn't be that scary ..and yea if u can pull out your anti air that will be n extra point ..coz that hurt alot and allowed you to linked to the infinite..

when i play my first tourney again Eddy lee..my vega wasn't good like now..all i do is vc and roll slide roll... and i beat him 2-1..but lost to he's vega coz i have no experience at all again miror match ....but i know at that time eddy lee v-sodom was a good v-sodom.. and i also beat B-l-t he take chun and gief ...Hella good gief.. our match was close but at the end i win:) but i am shure if i play them now..it will be diferent..i have learn alot.. teh game play..vega counters hit ..and i can perform teh anti air like i said mostly 8 out of 10...whcih lead me to crouch cancel and infinite ..



v-sakura and v-vega ..yea is a hard ass match i agree..

akuma and v-vega ..i would say 7-3 fo akuma ...
but it's all about how u play ...but in both way if u can perform the anti air ..you ahve more chance of winning..

hehe well i didn't get the chance to play hehe since the last time we met at ecc..i only play eddy lee justin wong ..and alot more hehehe...u saw the match me and justin???

i put him in the loser bracket hehehe crazy match hahaa..
he was mad at me thgouth hahahahah!

[TS]

V-Sodom is crazy good. Normals are pretty insane, [hence] good poke strings, good anti-air, great VCs, simple high-damage combos, good pokes, reversal moves are actually useful...comboable taunt...

I think A-Ryu is under-rated. Best super in the game to have against V, Seems to do somewhat better than V-Ryu in a couple matches (ie Chun Li) because his footsie game is more damaging. Just thoughts.


Originally posted by dogberry
hey sabre, can you give some advice about how guy is played aggressively? Usually when i play against, say, Ryu they just like to jump back and start throwing FBs. So i end up doing a lot of jumping up, walking back and forth and the occasional poke. Low strong for AA. But I can never really put him on the defensive or get him with a lot of poke strings. And I can't seem to tag him with the bushin flip grab if he flips out after a low strong AA. So how does guy get the free grab after low strong AA?

As you can probly tell a3 is dead where i live.


[

Well fireball is a free Bushin Throw or jumpin...

Mess around with run cancels. Like close standing SP, close standing FP xx Run with SK, cancel (or just c.SP). Like immediately cannceled..like don't even hit the button twice. Do fireball with Short, and then move your fingers to another kick button all in one swipe (you can cancel the Short run with any button). If you don't cancel quick enough, you'll get the auto stop that happens when you run to close to an opponent. THAT is very punishable. The canceled Short run while the opponent is in heavy blockstun is much less so, if at all. Use your imagination from there.

If the flip doesn't come out after the crouching Strong, it's because you either canceled it to late, or did the Strong to early. If you can't get the actual throw, that's different.

[kane_warhead]

My japanese friend gives his rank

S V-AKUMA, ZV-DHALSIM, V-SAKURA,

A V-CODY, V-KARIN, V-ZANGIEF, V-SODOM, V-SAGAT

B V-RYU, V-VEGA, V-CHARLIE, V-KEN, V-CHUNLI

C V-JUNI, Z-ROSE, Z-GEN, ZV-ROLENTO, Z-GAY, V-CAMMY, Z-BISON

D DAN, MIKA, BLANKA, JURI, BALROG, BIRDIE, HONDA, ADON

check the thread here (http://rectogouki.proboards7.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=EVER&num=1061471754&start=15)

[Iceman]

Originally posted by kane_warhead
Z-GAY

Best character in the game bar none!

:p

[Muskau]

I dunno its hard to rank overall tiers, almost any character in the game can win decent amounts of matches, it seems like 5 or 6 characters get far more wins than the others while about 3 characters are thought of as weak because either they are a joke character or are just a clone of another character.

If there were a tier system for SFA3 it'd prolly be a rating system rather than a strict tiering system, the characters strengths are too subtle. At least after the top characters anyway.

And can someone tell me who rapes Chun-Li? Theres a guy at my arcade who uses Chun-Li in all the SF games and almost never loses in SFA3 with her.

Oh yeah, and did any SF2:HF or SSF2X Honda players ever try out SFA3 Honda? I was just wondering what they thought of him, I've been playing him for a month or two now, I'm still trying to get the hang of the wide variety of air normals he can use. His poke strings are nice, but his slow recovery and movement force you to keep pressure on to keep from showing any openings.

[Prowess]

This is ganna sound very vague and maybe even stupid, but the trick to beating chun li is knowing how to play against her. Seriously.

She has good walking speed and priority, so you shouldnt try to play against her with a character that doesnt present similar qualities or you will find yourself being counter hit... alot. As far as characters that I personally feel beat her? Obviously the top tier crew (sim, sakura, gouki, etc...) with the exception of gief. A few others like vryu, vcody, sometimes gen, also, vsagat outranges her pretty well so long as he doesnt get cornered... however, this all suggests that Chun is in a. If she is in v none of this counts. I honestly feel that vchun is at the very least in the top tier some where, with only a few hard matchups from the higher characters in the game.

While this probably doesnt help much, its just my 2 cents.

[Muskau]

I had read ages ago V-Chun was thought of as the least powerful of the Chun's after hearing a team of X-Chun's destroying a top team in a japanese tournament?

[popoblo]

is dhalsim good in any other ism's than A? i've only really seen/heard of WC dhalsim in japan owning people up with V-dhalsim, but is he a solid V-ism character?

[Asccort]

Well.. All Chars are good... exept Dan :P

But the best Characters are
1-Shin Mr Bison
2-Shin Akuma
3-Evil Ryu

They are Insane Characters... and all other characters are good..




exept Dan

[SaBrE]

okay for one, evil ryu is not that good at all, and is not even as good as normal ryu for many factors.

two, none of those characters are in arcade(except shitty sfz3 UPPER, which no one has at any arcade in the world), that is the standard, so they dont even count anyway, those are just "EXTRAS" they gave console users.

and dan is actually decent in V. he has good damaging vc's and cc's. and his pushblock is very effective for fending off guard crush vc's or guard crush pokes. hes not the greatest character, but he can do some damage. and he can run pretty well...

[TS]

Prowess- that's the problem. If you have to know your opponent to beat him if he's using Chun, that means she's a great tournament character. It's part of the same thing that makes Magneto so good in Marvel vs Capcom 2. He can do so many different things at the same speed (ie. too fast), that you'd have to be psychic to know what he's going to do. Chun Li isn't quite that broken, but any time you force someone to have to counter-character you, or can choose a good character that they don't know how to fight, that's a REAL good thing.

Chun Li's most commonly exploited weakness is that she likes to poke...a lot. She does a lot of standing Strong and crouching Roundhouse and walkup throws, and tends to use normals as anti-air to set up damage (or walk under and then use normal). This is a very bad thing against V-ISM characters. And while A/X can cancel some of her moves into supers, this is still a big disadvantage.

Chun is one of those 'Gief type characters though. Rallying and making a comeback really only consists of "yeah, I hit him like twice." There really aren't many matches where she can't pull a win out of her ass.

Muskau- It was pretty much universally believed that A and X-ISM Chun li were much better than V, but that was until the infnite was found, when she only had one useful VC (repeated fireballs in the corner). That's changed some people's minds. As far as who dos good vs Chun Li, Shotos do pretty good, but in V (and X-ISM for Akuma) have problems making up damage, since V-Akuma has the best midscreens, but also takes the most damage and is dizzied the easiest. A-Dhalsim will either do very well or very poorly depending on the players. Blanka does okay, particularly if you can crouch cancel well. Never tried Sagat... V-Sak also.

popoblo- V-Dhalsim has been solid forever, but still isn't considered to be beter than A by most people because of the Alpha Counter. Damage potential isn't much different, all normals are more or less the exact same, but A-Dhalsim has a great AC which he actually gets to use. There are a number of matches (Chun Li for starters) which look very diffrent because of this.

[Gandido]

Guy too powerful. Fear the ninja :)

To whomever asked why he's still high up there, it's because of his bullshit recovery game. Like, if he scores any kind of air counterhit, or a major ground counterhit, you're fucked. He can:

a) j.forward to get you when you hit the ground into s.strong xx run.
b) walk up, airthrow, into more bullshit because the counterhit effect will make their recovery bounce slightly higher, which:
1) leads into A
2) do a bushin flip with either strong or fierce depending on how you think they will recover.
c) wait for them to recover while walking up to them, c.strong into bushin grab.

and if they're afraid of all that BS, just do them anyways and you'll score damage because it'll all combo! :) <3 Guy

He gets so much damage off a counterhit anything, be it air or ground that it gets annoying.

Also, his free stuff after corner throws. Throw someone into corner, then do short (or forward, think it's short though) hurricane to get them to block (beats their mashes mostly). If they teched wrong, they'll be so high in the air that you can nail a c.strong xx lvl 3 air super after because they can't airblock ground hits.

Forward hurricane hits crouchers and acts as a dp. Semi-safe.

Counterhit c.jab = death. Instant dizzy combo if you're like, 2/3 to 3/4ths screen away from the corner.

c.jab (CH), s.strong s.fierce chain xx lvl 3 kick super (you can do c.jab CH then c.strong or s.fierce if you want), then final fight chain which should put them into the corner, so you get another extra juggle. Then do strong fierce into either Bushin Grab (you should get the elbow though) or RH hurricane (less damaging but always a sure dizzy). Then kill the fucker with j.fierce, ff chain, into strong fierce or another final fight chain. I love Guy. Ninjas = <3.

Close fierce is messed up. I've seen that shit like roll-cancel through low hits. C.rh is CRAZY good. Major counterhits off that = hella sweet.

Something I rarely see though is people linking FF chains without a counterhit c.jab. It's easy once you get used to it. Just make sure you can tell the char is standing.

An above-average Guy can give absolutely anyone problems. IMO, his only true landslide bad matchup is Charlie, and it's because Sonic Boom overrides ALL of his options. S.rh is a bitch too, but at least if you predict it, it's a free FF Chain, since s.jab beats it out, and that = damage.

End of Guy rant. Will finish it up tomorrow.

[Blazn]

I say Charlie is 1 of the top tier character with his instant kill combo or infinite. unless ur opponent is good then u still do good dmg.

damn I could hardly get any good v-combos with any1 becuz the person always air rolls out of it. I only got a couple.

[Subliminal UK]

Originally posted by Blazn
I say Charlie is 1 of the top tier character with his instant kill combo or infinite. unless ur opponent is good then u still do good dmg.

damn I could hardly get any good v-combos with any1 becuz the person always air rolls out of it. I only got a couple.



What Charlie infinite? there is none, you got 5 j.fierces off a walk cancel, crouch cancel set-up at best.

Charlie is not top tier by a long stretch of the imagination. It takes effort for him to win against Sim, Akuma, Sakura etc.

Anyways here's my top ten:

top 4 - A-Sim, V-akuma, V-sak, V-chun

Middle: V-ryu, V-charlie, A-guy, V-cody, V-gief, V-sodom

almost made the top ten: V-karin, A-gen, V-sagat

then the rest.

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[Blazn]

There is a Charlie infinite u just dont know it.

whhy would I do 5 j .fierces if ur opponent can just roll out of it?

Charlie has got alot considering he has a dash kick then flash kick.

whatever.

if u want to do his infinite u need
v- groove then u activate HK.flash kick
dash kick HK.flashkick til ur bar runs out.
jump back breaker jump again back breaker jump again backbreaker til he dies.

I made a video but its bad quality and I need a better video capture software.


remember kids if u can safe roll irs not custom combo.

[Drag]

They can't roll, because they don't land. You're juggling with j.fierces over and over keeping them in the air.

The infinite you mentioned is just for show.. They can PP air recover once you land. A lot of characters have repeatable airthrows like this (Sagat, Sodom, etc) but they're not true infinites because the opponent can get out of them.

[Gandido]

Those Charlie j.fierces are crouch-cancelled. You can't do jack shit about them.

And have you ever heard of tech-hit? They can tech the throw and kill you after since you think it's an infinite. Can't you recover after it anyways?

Just stop saying stuff before you eat your foot from your mouth.

Wow. Guy higher than V-Karin and Gief? That seems HELLA off.
Guy should be at the exact mid-point. He's got no good matchups, but no bad matchups (except Charlie, IMO. Sonic Boom is too hard for Guy to handle.)

[Inigma]

Against Chun you need really solid footsies against her... For instance Shoto's stand short can stop Chun's advancing on you and it can counter her low kick attacks, use this to force out a low roundhouse/forward then trip her into whatever wake-up games... Walk-up low forwards and hadokens within low roundhouse distance are all good tools with dealing with Chun Li's... There are lot's of ways to mess with her footsies (But it doesn't mean the match is for easy), but for the most part you sorta have to know how the other Chun plays really...

This is basically how I play against her (Barring V-meter... Just trying to give general idea without the help of supers), it works but you still need to work for that victory though... But then again the Chun opponent I play against knows his shit and I always have to work to win...

[Subliminal UK]

lol Blazn as mentioned that is not an infinite.

this is the most damaging, best VC recharge combo Charlie has:

<v-nash> c.lk, lk sommersault, stand hk, bazooka knee, lk sommersault, lk sommersault(shadow must NOT hit), late stand hk, crouch hp, whiff lk sommersault, late stand lp, jump lk, crouch cancel walk forward into cc jumps. ( 5 j.fierces, c.strong. roundhouse flashkick for 50% )
<v-nash> here it is
<v-nash> the stand lp must hit at the exact same time as the shadow of your stand hk.
<v-nash> hard, really hard
<v-nash> but dope.

As for my tiers, I'd agree that Guy is middle tier along with Karin, i just hit top 10. I'd rate my middle tier as being balanced and able to beat the top tier but i think tiers should reflect how much effort it takes to win with a Character.

i didn't order the tiers so i didn't mean that guy was better than gief, they're both middle to me.

Like playing Dhaslim is a joke, fear my screen control and priority. V-akuma just blows through anything. V-sak is a brainless easy winner too. her B&B is a joke as is b+fierce. V-chun is a fast, prioity whore with a nasty stomp, Kattobi, unblockable VC start, infinite, look ma full meter.

as for fighting chun, i think i probably struggle because I don't have a good anti-air option with Cody apart from VC. but i don't want to risk that in case i get counter VC'ed.

anyhoo,

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[bushin187]

Originally posted by Gandido
T (except Charlie, IMO. Sonic Boom is too hard for Guy to handle.) I kinda like charlie vs guy and I think the matchup is in guy’s favour. I don’t feel afraid when attacking Charlie, feels like I can go all out.

His cornertrapping isn’t problem because of 1 guy wall jump 2 psychic dp 3 kick super. Slide trades with sonic boom. Charlie can’t do any real damage unless you jump.

I hate guy vs gief what do you think about that matchup ?

[SaBrE]

i like guy vs gief when im guy. i use lots of s.forwards and s.fierce for footsies. and just keep away all day.

[Inigma]

But doesn't Gief low jab and long range low roundhouse take out Guy's poke? I can see him running away from Gief but I can't see him "keeping" him out... All Gief really has to do is just walk towards Guy right? Can't jump cuz of the lariat or airthrow or jump jab... All he has to do is just stay out of the stand fierce range and either low jab the forward or make you whiff something and he can low roundhouse you back right? Another thing, I thought that Guy had BIG problems dealing with Gief jump-ins?

I don't see this being total raping playing Guy vs Gief... But the Guy player has to make such bigger efforts to beat out the Gief...

[Blazn]

I know he can tech roll out of it thats why I said if ur opponent is good its no good.

and whenevver I do j firces the other guy is able to do air recovery thats what I meant.

there is this other ciustom combo I saw but I didnt really get it. the guy did low flash kick X2 dash knee with out connecting then flow flash kick and continued like that.

and Im just saying Charlie is a good character. you could use his air grab as a part of a combo like do it then u land in the corner then crouch mp Firece flash kick. and most of the time ur opponent wont teck roll becuz he wont expect it.

and it is one type of infinite like in MvC2 but u can tech roll out of it.

[Prowess]

I know he can tech roll out of it thats why I said if ur opponent is good its no good.

and whenevver I do j firces the other guy is able to do air recovery thats what I meant.

there is this other ciustom combo I saw but I didnt really get it. the guy did low flash kick X2 dash knee with out connecting then flow flash kick and continued like that.

and Im just saying Charlie is a good character. you could use his air grab as a part of a combo like do it then u land in the corner then crouch mp Firece flash kick. and most of the time ur opponent wont teck roll becuz he wont expect it.

and it is one type of infinite like in MvC2 but u can tech roll out of it.

Utter comedy... roflmao

[Muskau]

Found you HAVE to choose V-Cody against Chun, he's the only ism with a decent chance, Chun can just out prioritise almost everything on jump-in, but at least the dodge helps against the cr. RK (If the player doesn't decide to use it after a jump-in). BAsically all you can hope for is that she doesn't try a cr. RK and try to snag her with a counter cr. FP alot of the time, any closer and she can combo instantly into super from a connected normal, or can just start her overhead mixup/throw/flip game.

[Prowess]

FUCK YOU MUSKAU!!!:mad:

....close this thread NOW before v/x-chun becomes useless ! ! !





j/k ......(or is it? -dramatic music chimes in-)

[Ukyo Tachibana]

Originally posted by bushin187


I hate guy vs gief what do you think about that matchup ?

For some reason I like Guy vs. Gief too. Yah you need to be ultra patient with your footsies with s.MK and s.FP just like Sabre said.

Also playing as Guy vs. Gief is one of the only times I feel confident against Gief's jumping splash. With correct timing, c.MP should beat Gief's splash(and just about every jump attack, except maybe for his j.MK).

Just don't let him near you/cross you up and you should be fine, heh. It's a battle of patience... eventually you should be able to outlast Gief... i'd say 60-70% of my Guy vs. Gief matches end in a Timeout victory. :lol:

[_MJ_]

<v-nash> c.lk, lk sommersault, stand hk, bazooka knee, lk sommersault, lk sommersault(shadow must NOT hit), late stand hk, crouch hp, whiff lk sommersault, late stand lp, jump lk, crouch cancel walk forward into cc jumps. ( 5 j.fierces, c.strong. roundhouse flashkick for 50% )
<v-nash> here it is
<v-nash> the stand lp must hit at the exact same time as the shadow of your stand hk.
<v-nash> hard, really hard
<v-nash> but dope.




Sounds cool i would like to see a kawaks replay of this if possible

[Subliminal UK]

Originally posted by _MJ_


Sounds cool i would like to see a kawaks replay of this if possible

this is most of it, i fluffed after the walk cancel.

will carry on later when gf's gone to bed.

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[Gandido]

I like Guy vs. Gief. You guys don't think s.strong is usefull in this match? ...?

Bushin: I know slide trades with boom. I dunno. I guess it's just that Charlie is my poison. =/

[bushin187]

Sabre Gandido and Ukyo .You guys are pretty confident about guy vs gief. I guess gief is my poison.


Random stuff

Charlie is better then Ryu but he get's raped by sim.

Blanka is pretty strong. He has some good crouch cancels.

You don't see chars like bison Juni Blanka when they are pretty decent.

I know I already said this in the other thread but I really need to play fei-long, he's to cool. Capcom should have left out some dumb char like dan or








... cody


* dodges bricks *

[Muskau]

Anyways here's another opinion of how the tiers stand after reading thousands of newsgroup and forum posts, as well as my own observations, my own experience, and other top player opinions.


Street Fighter Alpha/Zero 3
Possible Tiers


-------------------------------------

- FIRST TIER

AV - Dhalsim
V - Akuma(Gouki)
V - Zangief
V - Sakura

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- SECOND TIER

V - Ryu
V - Charlie(Nash)


- MID SECOND

V - Sodom
V - Karin
A - Gen
AV - Vega(Balrog)
V - Sagat
V - Cody

- LOWER SECOND


A - Guy
XAV - ChunLi
A - Balrog(M.Bison)
AV - Rolento
V - Juni

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- THIRD TIER (?)


AV - Cammy
XAV - Rose
AV - Honda
XAV - Ken
XAV - Adon
XA - Blanka
AV - M.Bison(Vega)
AV - Birdie
AV - Mika
V - Juli
V - Dan

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Third Tier is just really made up of characters I think are unproven 2nd tier characters, its just no-ones really bothered to put the time in to learning them.

[streetfighter lord]

TOP TIER
Evil Ryu
Other Tier
there is no other, Evil Ryu killed them all

[streetfighter lord]

TOP TIER
Evil Ryu
Other Tier
there is no other, Evil Ryu killed them all

[Kyokuji]

Buddy, you're like 3 years too late for this topic.
..And you double posted.

[Lil' Josh]

Street Fighter Alpha 3

1.Shin Akuma
2.Evil Ryu
3.Rolento
4.Adon
5.Fei-Long
6.Cody
7.Guy
8.Juli
9.Gen
10.Shin M. Bison

Try SFD, there are a load of power-playing scrotish kids wating for you there...

FUCK YOU I DON'T NEED YOUR IGNORANT OPINIONS I CAN KICK YO' ASSES WIT' ALL DEEZ CHARACTERS SO SUCC A DICC!

Wrong forum.... Go home, But before you do that... I will re-write that little spoilt whining session so that noremal english-speaking people may understand.

"Fuck You!! I do not need these insolent and ignorant opinions!!. I will Defeat any of you at this game with the characters listed above and I will now kindly request that you p[erform fellation on someone's penis thank-you.

TOP TIER
Evil Ryu
Other Tier
there is no other, Evil Ryu killed them all

Try SFD, there are a load of power-playing scrotish kids wating for you there...






BTW (In before lock)

[shinmaster619]

1.ken
2.shin akuma
3.evil ryu
4.yun
5.alex
6.guile
7.yang
8.urien
9.chun-li
10.ryu

[Kyokuji]

Somebody close this already.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Somebody close this already.

lol, that guy above you really put 3s characters in his list

[Dr. Deelite]

no, just no

[RobintheMutant]

Anyways here's another opinion of how the tiers stand after reading thousands of newsgroup and forum posts, as well as my own observations, my own experience, and other top player opinions.


Street Fighter Alpha/Zero 3
Possible Tiers


-------------------------------------

- FIRST TIER

AV - Dhalsim
V - Akuma(Gouki)
V - Zangief
V - Sakura

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- SECOND TIER

V - Ryu
V - Charlie(Nash)


- MID SECOND

V - Sodom
V - Karin
A - Gen
AV - Vega(Balrog)
V - Sagat
V - Cody

- LOWER SECOND


A - Guy
XAV - ChunLi
A - Balrog(M.Bison)
AV - Rolento
V - Juni

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- THIRD TIER (?)


AV - Cammy
XAV - Rose
AV - Honda
XAV - Ken
XAV - Adon
XA - Blanka
AV - M.Bison(Vega)
AV - Birdie
AV - Mika
V - Juli
V - Dan

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Third Tier is just really made up of characters I think are unproven 2nd tier characters, its just no-ones really bothered to put the time in to learning them.




Best tier is intelligence ,pal .
I mean what your X-Shin bison can do vs Ohnuki V-sakura except losing ?
And how has Apoc beaten Ohnuki with A-Balrog ???
Tier can be useful , but only pros can use it efficiently ,anyway in alpha 3 .

[Sevenskirt]

Why is Charlie, who is without an infinite, considered higher on the tier list than Sagat, Karin and Vega/Claw. These three all have got infinites, and I've heard that infinites are actually allowed in most tournaments, so then why is Charlie considered to be more advantageous against these characters when he doesn't even have one?

I'm asking this because I think that infinites are a big plus to your gameplay as they're safe and can lead to victory in most cases when done properly.