Street Fighter 4

[Cyphatic]

I was going to be a nice new arrival and do a search for SF4 stuff, but low and behold the minimum characters required on the forum search don't allow you to search for the number 4 or the word SF4 because neither are at least 4 letters. I browsed a few pages and didn't see anything.

So anyways, over on SNK-Capcom.com (http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2763) they started and stickied a thread about SF4. There are some supposed facts, plenty of rumors, but it's mainly just about opinion of what people want to see.

Guy named TAS (he probably is registered here too, hi TAS) posted some stuff that is reportedly fact based on interviews etc in Japan. I choose to believe him, or at least choose to want to believe him. ^^

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ACTUALLY there are a few things already known about SF4.

1) It will in fact be 2D

2) Ryu will be the only (classic) returning character

3) They have begun to work on it (thats all they said, didnt say if that was pre-production work or not)

4) The game will come out when Capcom celbrates SF's 20th Anniversary, which wont be till 2007 or 2008 (depending if you go by the US or Japanese anniversary of SF)

All of these things have either been stated in interviews, or at shows, by various Capcom employees or represenitives.

Rumors:

- The 2D Animation will rival most animated shows or movies

- Mel Masters (Ken' son) will make an appearence

- Based on a leaked concept sketch, Ryu will have a new look (3 diffrient versions of Ryu appeared in the sketch, all had diffrient gis, but they all had an unshaved [but not a beard] look to them)

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So anyways I thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread to post heresay and opinion and rumors and facts and what not. If I get flamed for starting something that's already been started or no one wants to talk about, then so be it. By my post count I'm apparently a nub anyways ^^

[Cyphatic]

What, you thought I wasn't going to leave any sort of opinion? Hah! And just for thinking that, I'll make it long, too.

And yes, this is the same one I posted on SNK-Capcom.com but I'm such a self-loving bastard that I'm going to post it here too, just cause I like seeing large chunks of my own writings scattered accross the internet.

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As for my two cents on SF4.

I doubt they're going to achieve perfection. As technologies progress with games, my idea of perfection changes too, but currently:

SPRITES

All nextgen systems will be 1080p most likely, maybe only 1080i/720p (Sony is trying to start a 1080p initiative to solve all the HDTV format problems etc, they got a beautiful $20,000 1080p DiLA Projector coming out). Anyways, that's 1920x1080 resolution. That's about half the resolution of 35mm film (what most movies are in). While Guilty Gear X looks pretty damn good at 480p (720x480, though I think it's 640x480), that extra resolution will go to anti-aliasing to make the edges look just damn gorgeous.

So quite simply Capcom should be hand-drawing the key frames to these sprites, doing some color images, and outsourcing the rest of the frames to Korea. Cause if we're talking SF3 level animation that's going to bout about 30,000 frames of animation for your average cast. Since it's at 60hz and higher resolution, a few more frames wouldn't hurt.

Now if the characters looked just mostly-edge cut shadowing, that would be fine. If they actually use some shading that's up to the level of modern CG Hentai games (hey, I know where the quality is ^^), then we're talking art in motion here.

BACKGROUNDS

The backgrounds will be done by some really damn good matte artist who will either do an artistic look (like for film BG's from the likes of Akira, Jin-Roh, any of the Miyazaki Films, etc etc etc). or a photorealistic look to match the well shaded sprites.

Of course GOOD and CREATIVE 3d stuff would be fine, but it should be to the level where you don't know it's CG. That would also allow for some great animated backgrounds. Using HD FMV video (like they did for the Gamecube Resident Evil games) would be real boss IMHO.

The main thing is to make sure the BG's don't look like they're not in the same world as the character sprites. Like with Alpha 3; most were too washed out. They should go even further then by making the characters fit into their surroundings by using light effects on the sprites.

IMO the best sprites were in Alpha 2 (Waterfall, Gen's Alley) and 3rd Strike (uhh.. everything :P)

AUDIO

The simple answer is Hideki Okugawa. 3rd Strike has one of the best game soundtracks out there because of him.

Another way to go is: Real Music. From Real Artists. Getting some musicians to contribute some tracks would be great. I know a ton of musicians who mentioned playing SF when they grew up, and probably alot that still do now. Problem is keeping an overall theme for the game would be a pain. Even though 3rd strike had some great variations for different stage songs, they all followed a Trance/D&B/Trip-Hop thing, with a nice touch of the original music sprinkled in places.

I think Hideki handling the soundtrack with some guests would be best. Do a redux to Ryu's original SF2 song. Keep a theme that stays close to the transition music (Character Select, Next Character, Continue?, Game over, etc). If they want to target a large audience with the soundtrack, I guess they can hold on picking the artists til the last year of production... but good music is just good music.

Variations of sound effects would be great. While a jab usually doesn't different much in sound, you could have a little variation. Then specials could sound a little different (haaadoouken, hadouken, HAdouKEN)..

GAMEPLAY

Uh... I don't know... I suck at these games, I just like playing them. http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/images/smilies/nade.gif

A high end hit detection system would be good, like as discriminating as the Treasure shooter games (ever play Ikaruga or Radiant Silvergun? then you know what I mean). This of course makes it harder, but I think that's a good thing.

Also make how characters are effected by hits more varying. What, do men in this game not have testicles? OK maybe that's too far, but just how the body jerks back by getting hit in different places, etc, would be nice. They were already doing this with CVS and SF3 to some extent, I just want to see it evolved more.

I'd like to recommend having a few variations on the animations of moves, but first off that's going to double the amount of keys of animation, not to mention make combos damn near impossible.

I guess that's about all I can think of. Story wise.. well shit. If they do nearly everything in this list, they're probably going to have 2 minute FMV or Anime endings for each character, and maybe even voice in the dialogs.

As for the whole Ryu being the only original character thing, that's fine by me. I can understand why some people can't really see it. Since...

There was one installment of Street Fighter 1. There's 4 installments of Street Fighter 2, with apparently another coming. 3 installments of alpha which have all the characters in SF2 (at least by SFA3). Then SF3 came around and it still had original characters like Ken/Ryu. By third strike it also had Akuma/Chunli. And even then we have all these damn offspring/clones. Sean the Shotoken. Yun/Yang the Gen Type. Hugo/Alex the Zangief Type. Necro the Dhalsim/Blanka hybrid type, Remy the wannabe guile/charlie/modern portrayal of modern Americans as lame as Goth/Emo losers type, etc etc etc. And if Third Strike was more successful, 4th Pummel (ick) would have came out and probably had 20 of the original characters.

Anyways, what I'm trying to point out is that if there was just a SF1, a SF2, and a SF3, the almost-entirely new cast in SF4 wouldn't seem like such a shock. Don't worry, you're still going to have your half circles and quarter circles and charges and combos and all that crap. We should be expecting Capcom to give us new characters, dammit, they owe us that much.

I think the other main reason is we want certain characters to return is because Capcom's story is so damn full of holes and dead end stories that we'd just like something to complete it all. But it's a fighting game, not an RPG. You Losers.

All in all, SF4 will probably not be any higher res than guilty gear. Even worse, it could be in 3D. But at least it seems that may have been confirmed to be 2d. I think Capcom is smart enough to not venture into 3D Fighters again after seeing the fan response to All Stars and the canceling of it.

If Capcom can do even half the things mentioned, it will be a great game. But for 2008, I'm hoping some sort of evolution of the fighting game as we know it.

Right a fucking editorial why don't I.

Cyphatic

[GEL]

I remember afew EONS ago a little interview with Capcom saying that they wanted to "Mix 2-D and 3-D" in SF4, and they meant that in gameplay terms too! Not exactly sure HOW they'll do that but I don't doubt they'll try.

I did also hear RYU would be the only returning character.

I hope they have some good characters lined up for this one though! I honestly like the SF3 characters and can't wait to see what they do here. HOPEFULLY this time people won't complain because there's no Chun-Li! Honestly I was never a big fan of the SF2 characters.

[Boner]

How old is ryu gonna be now?
3427?

[shinoken]

I guess it wouldnt hurt to make Ken and Ryu look more aged in the upcoming SF games. and as they progress, make them older because shit, Ryu and Ken can only be young for so long. But what they gon do about Akuma? He was allready like 60 something back in Alpha 3. I know Ryu's the only classic character on here but maybe Akuma will be here as a hidden character again. Maybe. He's been a hidden character in too many damn games tho.

[RaishinX]

Last year, during the summer, I saw some official concept art from Capcom of Ryu wearing jeans and a sleeveless white tee shirt. I wonder if ths concept will be employed in SF4. Man, I don't think I can wait to 2007.

[folken001]

I hope Chun Li will make a come back. She is like the my all time favorite female character

[Crayz Penguin]

call me crazy but doesnt "ryu is the only returning character" mean hes the only returning character/?? o.0 hence no chun-li :lol:

i just hope they come up with a few original characters (r.mika, elena) instead of just slapping a new sprite on the same character (remy). id like to see more ninja characters like ibuki, and who knows...maybe the "strong guy" will be decent enough to play, since everyone knows the strong guys never good, except raiden in cvs2 :eek:

ps. 3s had the best music is a fighting game ever

[Cyphatic]

Ya I had a Hugo campaign going on, but I sorta hit a glass ceiling between his limitations and mine.. but I can still piss off quite a few people with him :lol:

[*InVeRs3*]

Those are some nice accurate sounding things. I bet that those were educated guesses on what the game will be or look like. And I bet some sf2 characters are going to be in sf4 when super sf4 turbo comes out. I hope guile is there.

[KingJ2002]

Ryu being the only returning character is kinda dissappointing since i love seein me some chun li.

but i guess a new lineup would be good.

what capcom needs to do is fix this damn fighting game drought. SNK can't be the only company churning out fighting games. Capcom needs to release Street fighter 4 in the near future and for their anniversary they should release the ultimate street fighter dream match game featuring all these characters and some of the new characters from SF4. Even include shen llong (gouken) as a hidden character

http://www.streetfightercomics.com/Interactive/Wallpaper/01-1024X768.jpg

that will be a way better present to the fans. We need a new street fighter now before the official storyline burns out to the mainstream media.

i say capcom should bring back their fighting franchises slowly so people can prepare for street fighter 4.

[ZenFire]

I thought the Street Fighter saga was over allready, story-wise.

I read somewhere the supposed ending of the story, where ryu dies in an epic battle with gouki. This could have been a hoax, but it kind of looked like the summarized translation of a novel... that's why I thought it was real.

EDIT:
Come to think of it, just ignore that, cus it probably was just some fan-fiction :bluu:

[shiningsoul]

I know others have probably said this too, but I came up with it independently a little while ago after playing Zelda: The Wind Waker...

3-D Cel Shaded Street Fighter 4

Capcom's already been into the cel-shade stuff with Viewtiful Joe and XIII (I think that that shooter is by them) and they could do lots of interesting stuff with FMV backgrounds, 3d stuff, and 2d traditional animation. How about each character has separate standing and crouching blocking animations when they actually get hit by the other character? Instead of a general "flash" or "spark" that pops up when you block, what if you have a different animation when you block a jab, another one when you block a strong or fierce and so on? Just some random ideas I just came up with.

[EVERDRED]

less memory for 3d models too means they can have more frames of animation, of course tho keep it 2d, i think KI 1 was a good example of a 2d fighting system with 3d graphics and enviroments.

[Crayz Penguin]

Originally posted by EVERDRED
less memory for 3d models too means they can have more frames of animation, of course tho keep it 2d, i think KI 1 was a good example of a 2d fighting system with 3d graphics and enviroments.

and we all know what happened there....THAT GAME RAWX!!!

C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ein05]

i hope that the in game graphics are similar 2 sf a3.

what i mean is:

the big "ROUND 1"..."FIGHT"

and

"WIN" "PERFECT" with all the words taking up the whole screen making it look diff to all fighters of that time b/c it was like...


"ROUND 1"..."FIGHT"..."OMIGOD...THAT WAS THE BEST FIGHT I'VE EVER SEEN"..."SHARPEN YOUR FANGS"!

i dunno...i just like that...that's y a3 is prob my fav...(along w/ 3s & cvs2):lol: :cool: :)

[ein05]

i know it was said earlier that "KEN MASTERS" wont be in the game but....


ken is my fav char & i know a lot of u will say "he's just a carbon copy of ryu!"

NO!

ever since the alpha series ken has become a more individual char with new moves & his own variations on the old moves.

plus...


HE'S COOL!

besides that's the only cat i use(no dis 2 ryu fans...just like ken better).:bluu:

[Joe]

Originally posted by ein05
i know it was said earlier that "KEN MASTERS" wont be in the game but....


ken is my fav char & i know a lot of u will say "he's just a carbon copy of ryu!"

NO!

ever since the alpha series ken has become a more individual char with new moves & his own variations on the old moves.

plus...


HE'S COOL!

besides that's the only cat i use(no dis 2 ryu fans...just like ken
better).:bluu:

















Yeah that sucks that Ken won't be in the game cuz I have been a ken fan since street fighter 2 and also that's why I like 3rd strike cuz he is a top tier:D so I get to play with him all the time well I just hope that his son is as good as him

[Colt Steele]

I'm not sorry to see Chunners go but unfortunately I'm sure she'll be in SF4 Second Impact Turbo :bluu: That probably goes for Ken, Gouki and whoever else the Japanese players demand be reinserted into the lineup.

[GEL]

*Smacks head against wall*

I'm not sure all of you are following. Hell, my biggest complaint with SF3 WAS the returning characters. And if Ryu's the only returner, then good. He did look aged in SF3, just not quite enough.

Chun-Li DEFINATELY shouldn't return and neither should Guile. I'm sorry but Chun-Li would be...what...in her 40s by now?! And...ummm...just say no to Guile.

I will admit, they probably WILL return for it's 2nd or 3rd version just to annoy me.

Maybe I'm just jealous because SF2 character are always popping up despite the fact that they weren't that good. What about SF3 or better yet SF1! I miss Geki dammit! I am NOT going to be satisfied with a Street Fighter until they either start anew with GOOD character designs, or the put Geki in an Alpha/Zero game.

Might I point out that my favorite version of SF3 is still the very first version for obvious reasons (Okay, so Ibuki not sucking and having a guy with claws in her background aren't exactly obvious reasons but...).

Yes, I agree that Street Fighter needs more ninjas! My favorite Street Fighters are Geki,Ibuki,Vega,and Enjou (guy with claws in Ibuki's first BG). Ninjas=Good. Then again, my philosophy with fighting games is: "If you can't find a good character, use the Ninja!" I say it's the only redeeming quality of Mortal Kombat!

Anyway though, I think the Cel-Shaded 3-D fighter is a bad idea. Yes you can have smoother animation and more fighters with 3D, but have you guys ever tried a Capcom 3D fighter?! They're all technically 2D, just like you suggest, but they have wonky physics and don't play anywhere near as well as a Capcom 2D fighter. Maybe 2D sprites in a 3D world would be okay (like Killer Instinct), but otherwise, no! Also, the FMV background would be awsome if it was all 2D, but 3D characters against an FMV background?! No...that just won't work right at all.

[nortlee]

I usually like the returning of characters in SF games along with some new ones, if they ever get rid of Ryu or Ken, which I doubt they will I would just go off the series, Ryu is my favourite character, I thought it looked like Ryu & Ken had aged a few years actually in SF3, its about time about time we had an SF4 by now, they're keeping us waiting <_<

[Asccort]

The World Hero of all times is back..... RYU :D
this game will be better gameplay than 3rd Strike?? thats is hard thing to make

[DannyCat]

Originally posted by GEL
I'm sorry but Chun-Li would be...what...in her 40s by now?! Alright, then, how about Sakura? :D

[Don Mack]

I hated the Street Fighter 3 characters and line up. THose had to be some of the tackiest and unoriginal designs ive seen on a fighting game with a few exceptions. Since the game is taking so long to come out, the characters should be flawless this time. Ryu should be strictly a boss character now, it would only make sense since hes always training and has no life outside of fighting.

[Ninja Commando]

I hope the rumors and guesses could be somewhat true.

[Richard]

I suppose Ryu is SF. Taking him out would be like a Harry Potter movie without Harry Potter... If you take Ryu out, then you're just relying on the name. And in that case, if you have a good new game engine, why not make a fresh start and call it something completely different?
Originally posted by Cyphatic
All nextgen systems will be 1080p most likely, maybe only 1080i/720p (Sony is trying to start a 1080p initiative to solve all the HDTV format problems etc, they got a beautiful $20,000 1080p DiLA Projector coming out). Anyways, that's 1920x1080 resolution. That's about half the resolution of 35mm film

I'd want them to go wth a widescreen aspect ratio. If the ridiculous high jumps aren't included, then WS would be better suiter to a 2D fighting game.

Anyway, about resolution, according to the crew of Bug's Life, it was rendered at 2048x862 pixels. Craig explains. “Once we did some measurements on the resolution of 35 mm film prints and more interestingly, the actual resolution you get when you project this 35 mm print to a screen. If you high end use lab equipment you can get about 2000 lines out of this print, but even in a good movie theater only 850-900 lines are visible"

They should go even further then by making the characters fit into their surroundings by using light effects on the sprites.

IMO the best sprites were in Alpha 2 (Waterfall, Gen's Alley)

I'd agree with you there. a2 Gen's was excellent. And I suppose lighting would be good.

A high end hit detection system would be good, like as discriminating as the Treasure shooter games (ever play Ikaruga or Radiant Silvergun? then you know what I mean). This of course makes it harder, but I think that's a good thing.

Also make how characters are effected by hits more varying. What, do men in this game not have testicles? OK maybe that's too far, but just how the body jerks back by getting hit in different places, etc, would be nice
Yeah, I see where you're going. How about a physical damage system, where you get kicked in the leg and limp for the rest of the round?

[Nokato]

Where are you people getting this information, for the ones who seem to know so much about SF4 ...when honestly the only news thats surfaced about any new Capcom fighting game was Sammy Vs Capcom? As much everyone would want a new SF, the only hardware that would be applicable for it is the CPS3 which IMO is the best hardware Capcom has ever used or made but they seem to be pretty lazy nowadays using microwaves to make games (mvc2,cvs1,cvs2)....Unless Capcom intends to see a future purpose with Atomiswave, the games gonna look like hot fecal matter.

If there would be an SF4 its not coming out anytime soon if they want to make a part of a business venture with the Anniversary of SF because that means we still have about 3/4 more years for that to be even thought of as a possible release. I guess this thread shows that with SF dying people still love it and that Capcom should realize that and make a good game again they havent done this is more about 8 years or so with the exception of 3s and A3. And concerning all the posts in this thread, only seems as if its all just rumor , there is no fact in most of these threads. Until Noritaka Funamizu or Yoshiki Okamoto speak out on the game...its non existent.

[Gen.Uile]

The thought of SF4 does bring a fire to my heart. Granted Ryu being the oly returning character is acceptable. If they do bring back any charactyers from the older titles it should be Sagat. He was after all the first boss and a crucial part of Ryu's growth. Full circle would be a resolution between Ryu and Sagat. Also bring back Akuma as a non playable character. As far as music goes, I did not like SF3's music. I prefer GGX's approach, or a balance between the two. I propose a brief crossover story, between Kyo from KoF and Ryu. It would be nice to see Kyo in an updated setting. As far as gameplay goes. I enjoyed A3's style, but the endless possibilities of the different grove of CvS 2 was quite appealing. A good balance of the two could yeild a great product. As far as a character selection goes since no one else SHOULD return it leaves an open slte to work with. Many of the previos character molds could be filled by new and possibly more interesting character designs. How about a die hard Shadolow office bent to revive the empire that Bison was building. An outcast American looking to be the next Sagat. A boxer looking break the mold of the typical American boxer. The possiblities are endless if doen right.

[KidFlash]

Wait, he said Ryu would be the only "classic" character returning, so it's possible the "New Generation" SF characters from 3rd Strike will probably show.

This makes since, storywise. Of all the classic guys, Ryu's the only one that would still be fighting, right? Why would Alpha characters or SF1 characters show when they weren't even around for SF2? They'd stop fighting for 20 years then suddenly get back in the game?

It would make sense, though if Yun, Yang, Ibuki and Makoto (especially Makoto, who seems most like Ryu) for example showed up in SF4. They were still kids in 3S, they'd be in their prime about the time SF4 would take place.

What I DON'T want to see if a bunch of new Abercrombie and Fitch model Ryan Seacrist SNK-looking fighters. Come on, SNK--who creases their slacks for a street fight?

[Cyphatic]

Wow, didn't see these last posts.. Thanks for the responses Richard through Kidflash.

Yes, everything out now is good as rumors. This is supposedly stated by Capcom employees:

1) It will in fact be 2D

2) Ryu will be the only (classic) returning character

3) They have begun to work on it (thats all they said, didnt say if that was pre-production work or not)

4) The game will come out when Capcom celbrates SF's 20th Anniversary, which wont be till 2007 or 2008 (depending if you go by the US or Japanese anniversary of SF)

But I dunno, haven't seen the interviews.

If you dig around enough you could probably find them.

Richard:

The 35mm info sounds about right. I know most theater projectors don't handle that res. Then again I saw Episode 2 on DLP, which was supposedly a 1366x768 transfer or whatever, yet the film version had more detail. Course this was on a Metreon projector, which are probably in the upper level of quality.

Heh.. the damage thing makes me think of two games.. Bushido Blade and Third Strike. Bushido Blade is an easy reason, but Third Strike just had some well animated off-balance moves.. like half steps and stuff... I could see how Capcom could do some sweet limp animations etc.

Anyways figure I'd give this old thread a bump since I just mentioned it on another forum.

[Richard]

Originally posted by Cyphatic
1) It will in fact be 2D

But why does it have to be in 2D? I don't care if it's 2D, 3D or 647D. I just want Capcom to make a good game. I want it to be enjoyable to play, and for it to be long-lasting, that's all. And for them to make the best game possible, why should they be restricted to 2D? Give them the flexibility to excel and see what happens.

[Yagami]

i'de be happyy as long as Makoto comes back to kick royal ass again..

[{LBX}Ken]

by the time this game comes out, I doubt many of the people from srk will even be playing street fighter anymore.

[Shizz]

I would miss Ken since he has been around since sf1, but his boy step'n in would be cool if he has some of his best moves & personality. 2007 though? Give me a break! Why does it take so long for cap to bring out a sf game? Snk's KOF gets one every year, granted it's almost the same game with some added characters & new boss, but still at least they know how to please their fans by giving them SOMETHING. It's seems cap don't give a flip. If they're going to make us wait that long, they should at least give us something to be appeased by. It better have some new twists that makes the game exceptionally awsome for make us wait that long. Even between 2 & 3 they gave us the alpha's. Please capcom quit punishing us!!!:cool:

[GosBroDansFan]

Any word on the possibility of Vector graphics for it? I thought I read some where that there is a game using that or there will be. That seems like the next generation of 2D fighters. The other possibility is using 3D graphics but for entirely 2D games, but that might seem too much like a step back for game developers.

[SNAAAAKE]

Originally posted by GosBroDansFan
Any word on the possibility of Vector graphics for it? I thought I read some where that there is a game using that or there will be. That seems like the next generation of 2D fighters. The other possibility is using 3D graphics but for entirely 2D games, but that might seem too much like a step back for game developers.

Doesnt matter either way cuz most arcades use raster monitor so there is no point of having the game in vector.Besides I dont think there are vector monitors anything larger then 19".Would be sweet though but there is no possiblity.

[KENSHIIN-HIMURA]

man i swear capcom doesnt seem to care about da fans much. im glad that ryu is returning since he is my fav but i would also like to see some of the other old characters like sagat and guile. if capcom was smart then they would put in every street fighter character and then some since they taking a long ass time. but thats just my opinion. as long as the game stays tru to the sf series then i think ill be happy with it. but seriously for making us wait so long it beter be a good cast of characters. at least 24 playable ones.

[=dave=]

Originally posted by ZenFire
I thought the Street Fighter saga was over allready, story-wise.

I remember reading in a magazine article that Capcom was not at all certain that the SF series would continue beyond SFA3 and so that game was built around the idea of being the last SF game.

[EVERDRED]

once capcom switches to cell shading i think it'll be possible to actually have bigger rostered games, it would be great to play a dream match sf showcasing every incarnation of every character from all the series.

[ein05]

sf4...can't wait

[Dios <-X->]

its not going to happen.capcom fighters are finished after fighting jam.

thread closed.

[MuscleDragon]

If they only want ryu/ken in SF4, IMO this game is going to die like sf3. As someone mentioned before, they should create a new fighting game, not street fighter any more. But they better keep the classic fighting styles.

[hubcapsignstop]

you two are monkeys

[monkeyspank]

that kinda reminds me of MOTW, ya know terry coming back looking all older and shit with andy's son (kinda like ken?) and others..hmm wounder how ryu would look..cant wait :karate: ..

[fball13z]

is this game really going to happen? i hate getting my hopes up for nothing. and Im a big Ken fan and im going to hate to see Ken go, but i hope his is son is as cool as he is!

[Wellman]

Personally I don't see it happening, unless Capcom is willing to create new sprites. I had hope before I learned that CFJ only has one new sprite, but now I don't see it.

Maybe during the next anniversery, they might grow heart and do it, but as they are now it is out of the question.

[CrotchMonkey]

man they already ditched ken in cfj, they going to do it again for sf4? damn.


but you know what i want to tide me over for sf4 (if it it ever comes)? SAMMY VS CAPCOM DAMNIT!

ill admit cfj being the last capcom fighter is a scary thought..

[king scrub]

The best char ever is Gen. To much style. Its just a shame he needs alpha system just to be good. Still the best char hands down.



DERFFRED

[AAAhmed46]

I hope people from capcom visit this site.....2008 IS way too long. If charecters dont return, they should atleast tell us what happened to the old ones.

Look at kazuya from tekken! He was dead for 20 years, but came back, in in a NON shitty way! Also, look at his dad, that guy is like 80! Old charecters CAN return....

[Muskau]

Ryu will probably have a more gritty look like Snake in Metal Gear Solid 2. Although I'm wondering what they can add or change to Ryu without him looking to weird moves-wise.

Mel will probably have win poses featuring Ken walking in and giving him a pat on the back.

Hopefully they can add a bit more personality to the returning SF3 characters.

I'm not gonna suggest anything since I think Capcom has been doing a pretty good job.

[Rioting Soul]

Ryu will be the only returning character only in the fisrt version of SF4(if there will be more than one version). Canon-wise Akuma and Sagat must be involved(if this is the last Street Fighter). Sagat doesn't need a fight with Ryu but he still wants one; Akuma is Akuma and his story with Ryu needs an ending. Ken has nothing to fight for, unless his son Mel really will be a part of the cast.

[ein05]

cfj got rid of ken & now sf4 is getting rid of ken. i only use ken in all fighters...what will i do(single tear drops)!

[thedude.com]

yo' mel masters replace ken in sf4 ...

i would love to play the game , if capcom sticks to cps3 system like 3rd strike:tup:

[AndrewTS]

*blink, blinks*

So...is this happening? I haven't heard even the slightest thing about it in any magazines or anything. Plus, I don't think Capcom should be *restricted* to 2D. If they can make a good 3D SF4, they should. MKDA selling over 2 million copies and Deception looking to match that is really freakin' depressing. I'd like SF to compete with it again, although I had a lot of doubts about US gamers' tastes. Alpha 3 (on PS1) sold great as poor as that game was, probably because Alpha 2's home version came out almost 2 full years before it.

I'm taking most of the stuff mentioned in this thread with a grain of salt. It also seems odd that Capcom would take the risk of releasing a 2D arcade fighter when SF3 did so poorly in arcades, when they could easily release just home versions like you see happening with VF and MK.

I'm a bit of a doubting Thomas, so if some of this has been confirmed, ignore my skepticism. :)

[cka]

So...is this happening?

nope, at least for now. That could change, but don't hope for anything.

[Muskau]

Knwoing how Capcom backflips with stuff, nothing is set in stone.

[AndrewTS]

The best char ever is Gen. To much style. Its just a shame he needs alpha system just to be good. Still the best char hands down.

DERFFRED

Well, in Alpha 2 I've usually seen him ranked as low tier, but glad to see a Gen player. :) The style change element is really cool.

Speaking of which, if Ryu's storyline would follow the student of Oro thing, it would be neat if he could switch fighting styles on the fly.

[Snowman]

andy's son
err what?

[AndrewTS]

Probably made a mistake and means Rock--Geese's son. Either that or he thinks Hokutomaru is the son of Andy and Mai, which has never been mentioned to my knowledge.

[Don Mack]

I bet street fighter 4 will never come out. Capcom will probably scrap the project with the emphasis on 3d games these days.

[Greed Sever]

I think few will dispute that Fei-Long was an awesome charcter that should have gotten more exposure. I think a cool idea for a new character in SF4 would be Fei-Long's son, not just to progress Fei into the new game, but because it would fit in with his being Bruce Lee deal. They could have Fei be misteriously killed during the shooting of one of his movies by a "dark technique" then his son (like Brandon Lee, whom I will refer to as Fei Short) could be looking for Fei's murderer and be like "I remember Dad talking about someone using a powerful technique (Ryu) I'm gonna go beat him up cause I love my Daddy (yahoo!)" and then at the end Shorty can start getting into acting also then get shot in the face while acting on the set of spooky goth action flick "The Pidgeon"...eh?

[TheDarkPhoenix]

makoto!

[Liquid Twilight]

Even so I love the idea of all characters returning plus news one. I think it will be more interesting if new characters are added but
if u follow SF story u will find a lot of plot holes like what happen to all the old characters from SFA and SF2 plus the SF3 guys. I could understand why Ken would stop figthing since he would become more like a father. Has for Sf4 in 08 that some waiting to do hell at that time I won't play it since I be married and be 24 years old.

[MdVKnight]

I hope that street fighter 4 characters have more character development not just in the story wise but in the moves also. For example Remy and Necro, their moves are cool but whats the point in making a new character if he has the same moves as another. Ryu and Ken are alright cuz they got taught by the same person, but Remy didn't know guile and Necro didn't know Dhalsim.

[kidhadou]

Yup, I guess MdVKnight is right. Plus, I think SF4 could continue(or at least conclude the "hanging" conlusion in SF3).

[Golden Dragon]

I kinda' doubt that any of the SF3 characters will return in SF4, considering that in every SF sequel, they replace most of the characters from the previous game (without any explanation of what happened to them) w/ new guys. Knowing Capcom, they probably won't even bother conclude SF3's story. I kinda' wish Capcom didn't always do that, 'cuz there are a bunch of SFA (and some SF2) characters that have a lot potential and Capcom probably could've done more w/ them, had they included them in future SF's. Then again, I kinda' doubt there will be an SF4 at all. If there is, the only thing you can really guarantee is that Ryu will return. Like most of you have already said, Ken has no reason to return. He should probably step aside for Mel (and possibly Sean). It would be nice to see Alex returning. Gouki would probably return (Even though the Gouki thing got old a while ago).

[MdVKnight]

I just got a thought, if Ken's son gonna be in the game and since Dhalsim is gone. They should put Dhalsim's son in there too or even Guile's daughter.

[Diek Stiekem]

But I fear that would result in the Tekken/Soul Calibur effect with sons/trainee's/whatevers. Who almost play like their counterparts with some new moves. Like Sophitia and her offspring etc.

However Ryu as the only returning char. would be painful. As mentioned before nobody wants anymore new chars. with some "stolen moveset" (Like Remy, Necro, etc.), Capcom should do some classics chars. as unlockables chars, next to the so called new roster (with Ryu as execption then).

[True_Tech]

that kinda reminds me of MOTW, ya know terry coming back looking all older and shit with andy's son (kinda like ken?) and others..hmm wounder how ryu would look..cant wait :karate: ..

random stupid correction
rock = geese's son

sf4 would be sick but i can't see ryu without ken and i hope to see yun,yang the most coming back and alot of the 3s characters because capcom's story about most of those guys suuuuuucked i mean q doesn't even have a story hes just some dude in a trenchcoat being chased by the cia

[Dongo_Casbah]

In my opinion the game really needs to stay 2d not 3d in any way. Granted with a more powerful system backing it, just imagine what they could do to 2d sprites. 3s has the best graphics for a 2d fighting game in my opinion (GG comes damn close) and I think they should stick to the same formula in regards to those graphics but just improve on them in a big way, I think it would please everyone. :tup:


As far as Ryu being the only one returning, well, I can believe it. Capcom did kind of the same thing for Street Fighter III. But it kind of sucks at the same time because we get attached to the characters in the games before which only to lose them. It would be nice to keep ken for the classic rivalry, but i dont know how likely it is for him to be there. I think one character that should perhaps come back is Sagat. I mean i dont use him much, but I can definantly see them changing him up and him still being good.

But yeah 2007? Thats too far away. Capcom needs to make alot more fighting games to satify our appetites until then.

[Dongo_Casbah]

I think few will dispute that Fei-Long was an awesome charcter that should have gotten more exposure. ?


:tup:

You couldnt be more right.

[hubcapsignstop]

just because characters arent in sequel you dont lose them. theyre still there (where you left them).
and who/where the hell is this sf4 release date coming from?

[jonecat]

I really hope this game comes out sooner than later. Atleast give us an arcade version soon.

[El Maniatico]

Rumors Yay.

[Ken34]

Yeah that sucks that Ken won't be in the game cuz I have been a ken fan since street fighter 2 and also that's why I like 3rd strike cuz he is a top tier:D so I get to play with him all the time well I just hope that his son is as good as him

same here, I am a huge Ken fan, and it seems he is dying off, he makes no appearence in CFJ and from the looks of it, he wont be in SF4...

[Tritoch]

Man, i'm waiting for THIS to come out. Why is everyone so exicted about CFJ? They want it to rock, but it's going to a broken, horribly drawn game thats not going to be anything new.

Give me a fighting game with a idea, a concept, and a style, and thats what makes a cool game.

Not hashing games that are original and have their own styles all together. Thats not anything new. Wow, a SF2 ChunLi can fight a SF Zero dude, I think i'm going to have a heart attack from the amazment at the brains of Capcom.

Street Fighter 4 all the way.

[True_Tech]

http://galeon.com/efex/web/page5.html
go to the bottom theres a pic of what ryu could look like in sf4 it looks sick

[CrotchMonkey]

man but what if sf4 is just another failure? im worried about that, cause sf2 was a major hit and capcom hasnt been able to reproduce the effect sf2 had..

go to the bottom theres a pic of what ryu could look like in sf4 it looks sick

i could have sworn ive seen a ryu drawing with him wearing a wifebeater and jeans, not sure if it was fan art or not but man we cant be sure at this point.

i really wish capcom themselves would release SOMETHING about sf4.

[crazydiamond]

Probably made a mistake and means Rock--Geese's son. Either that or he thinks Hokutomaru is the son of Andy and Mai, which has never been mentioned to my knowledge.


The funny thing is that Hokutomaru actually is Andy and Mai's son, you can tell by his fighting techniques.

BTWAY: This thread seems a tad premature, don't you think?

[Daemos]

SF4 for once should have 40%-60% old characters and the remaining roster completely new. That is my only comment. (It should definitely have Bison in a new body but not as a boss. :D)

[crazydiamond]

People need to let their favourite characters go and appreciate them in the games they appear in. Just because Ken or Chunli etc. may not be in SF4, it doesn't mean you can't still enjoy them in the games they are in. Everything has a place and time, and it's time to move on.

[Wolfkiller]

People need to let their favourite characters go and appreciate them in the games they appear in. Just because Ken or Chunli etc. may not be in SF4, it doesn't mean you can't still enjoy them in the games they are in. Everything has a place and time, and it's time to move on.

I understand where you are coming from. But I think that if none of the old characters returned, it really wouldn't be Street Fighter. This isn't like Final Fantasy or something like that. They didn't call Darkstalkers "Street Fighter With Vampires And Shit!" for a reason. They gotta make a strong enough tie to the SF universe for it to still be Street Fighter.

[AzN_Skater]

Capcom needs to buy the rights to Iori and put him in every game they make. Along with Dante.

[crazydiamond]

I understand where you are coming from. But I think that if none of the old characters returned, it really wouldn't be Street Fighter. This isn't like Final Fantasy or something like that. They didn't call Darkstalkers "Street Fighter With Vampires And Shit!" for a reason. They gotta make a strong enough tie to the SF universe for it to still be Street Fighter.

Street Fighter 2 only had three characters in common with Street Fighter 1, Street Fighter 3 only had two characters in common with Street Fighter 2!
I think you hit the nail on the head though, it does need to be consistent with previous Street Fighters, and so the gameplay needs to remain true to the Street Fighter standard, that is the only tie that it needs.

[hubcapsignstop]

its a fighting game not a storyline. That attitude wolfkiller described killed shit foreal when SF3 came out, despite it being a masterpiece. No disrespect but I dont like that attitude. From a marketing perspective, however, you have a point

[Etcetera]

They didn't call Darkstalkers "Street Fighter With Vampires And Shit!" for a reason.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
that actually made me laugh out loud

[lung]

Call me lazy, but I didn't want to read this whole thread so sorry if I am repeating anything.....


Is it just me or did anyone else hear that Capcom said they are not making anymore 2-D fighters. And perpetually no more SF.


I also heard the guy who made the SF series left Capcom....

[G-Product]

http://galeon.com/efex/web/page5.html
go to the bottom theres a pic of what ryu could look like in sf4 it looks sick

I'm going to cry I'm assuming that's Sean next to him. They look like chods.

[Wolfkiller]

its a fighting game not a storyline. That attitude wolfkiller described killed shit foreal when SF3 came out, despite it being a masterpiece. No disrespect but I dont like that attitude. From a marketing perspective, however, you have a point

Capcom shouldn't have called it Street Fighter 3 then since it had little/nothing to do with the SF world. Maybe it would have done better had they not tried to milk the SF2 popularity by using the name? Having similiar gameplay isn't enough reason to call a game Street Fighter when it does have a storyline going for it, as broken as it may be. Darkstalkers was a 2D fighter like SF, but it wasn't called SF obviously. I't not saying that SF4 should have all of the old people, but it should have at the very least, one or 2 people to tie the game into previous SF games. Otherwise it is just a new 2D fighter that will be using the Street Fighter name to help sales.

[CrotchMonkey]

i dont want sf4 to be just another street fighter with a rehash feel to it. i want it so new and major that even casual people will play in awe as they get whooped by 10+ year veterans.

if that means giving it an extreme facelift with polygons instead of sprites im all for it.

[crazydiamond]

Capcom shouldn't have called it Street Fighter 3 then since it had little/nothing to do with the SF world. Maybe it would have done better had they not tried to milk the SF2 popularity by using the name? Having similiar gameplay isn't enough reason to call a game Street Fighter when it does have a storyline going for it, as broken as it may be. Darkstalkers was a 2D fighter like SF, but it wasn't called SF obviously. I't not saying that SF4 should have all of the old people, but it should have at the very least, one or 2 people to tie the game into previous SF games. Otherwise it is just a new 2D fighter that will be using the Street Fighter name to help sales.

The vampire series plays different to the street fighter series though.
Street Fighter was never about the story, it's about the feel of the game, and that comes from gameplay. Capcom wanted Ryu and Ken ommitted from SF3 because they didn't think that it was necessary to have the same characters to have Street Fighter, it was only because fans complained that they put them in. But even if they were not included it would still indeed be a Street Fighter game.

[G-Product]

The vampire series plays different to the street fighter series though.
Street Fighter was never about the story, it's about the feel of the game, and that comes from gameplay. Capcom wanted Ryu and Ken ommitted from SF3 because they didn't think that it was necessary to have the same characters to have Street Fighter, it was only because fans complained that they put them in. But even if they were not included it would still indeed be a Street Fighter game.

Xactly!

[Wolfkiller]

The vampire series plays different to the street fighter series though.
Street Fighter was never about the story, it's about the feel of the game, and that comes from gameplay. Capcom wanted Ryu and Ken ommitted from SF3 because they didn't think that it was necessary to have the same characters to have Street Fighter, it was only because fans complained that they put them in. But even if they were not included it would still indeed be a Street Fighter game.

It didn't play super differently though did it? (I admit, it has been years since I've played DS...). Each SF game to come out has played slightly differently. What connected the games together was the characters and the on-going storylines. But to each his own. I heart the gameplay and I like the storyline elements too, so I think it would kinda suck if SF4 had absolutely nothing to do with the previous games.

[Golden Dragon]

Man, i'm waiting for THIS to come out. Why is everyone so exicted about CFJ? They want it to rock, but it's going to a broken, horribly drawn game thats not going to be anything new.

Give me a fighting game with a idea, a concept, and a style, and thats what makes a cool game.

Not hashing games that are original and have their own styles all together. Thats not anything new. Wow, a SF2 ChunLi can fight a SF Zero dude, I think i'm going to have a heart attack from the amazment at the brains of Capcom.

Street Fighter 4 all the way.
I'm sayin', man. Co-sign.

Personally, I don't give a shit that Ryu and Ken were the only remaining characters in SF3. The SF2 characters are fuckin' spent and it's time to move on, like crazydiamond said. I only wish that Capcom actually attempted to tie in SF2's story w/ SF3. If not, they could've atleast explained what happened during SF2 (like who defeated M. Bison and won the tournament) and what happened to some of the more important characters. If Capcom actually does make an SF4, then I hope they include some Alpha characters in the cast. Other than that, I have no complaints.

[True_Tech]

Call me lazy, but I didn't want to read this whole thread so sorry if I am repeating anything.....


Is it just me or did anyone else hear that Capcom said they are not making anymore 2-D fighters. And perpetually no more SF.


I also heard the guy who made the SF series left Capcom....

go back and read through it says its confirmed that its gonna be 2d and just cause he left doesn't mean the other team members aren't still there its not like one guy made the whole game by himself

[crazydiamond]

go back and read through it says its confirmed that its gonna be 2d and just cause he left doesn't mean the other team members aren't still there its not like one guy made the whole game by himself

Yeah but that one guy was a pretty vital part.

[Tantin]

Street Fighter 2 only had three characters in common with Street Fighter 1, Street Fighter 3 only had two characters in common with Street Fighter 2!
I think you hit the nail on the head though, it does need to be consistent with previous Street Fighters, and so the gameplay needs to remain true to the Street Fighter standard, that is the only tie that it needs.

You count funny.

Ryu, Ken, Chun, Akuma. That's /four/ silly. Not /two/

[Grey1985]

Chun and Akuma weren't added into SF3 untill 3s. The original SF3 only had Ken and Ryu.

[Nightime]

IMHO, SF4 should be a sequel; or be made under a different title. I also think "SFEX" with sidesteps/cel-shading would be the ideal setting, if implemented with some actual depth. For example, the :up: dodge has a slight hop to it, to avoid low-attacks, and the :down: dodge was like a crouching sway that avoided high ones. Punches and kicks actually have HORIZONTAL range (to connect with incorrect dodges), not just vertical and distance.

As for the cast: Start with a fresh 10 characters... your initial 8, a subboss, and a big boss. Each having a plot with some mystery in it, no names mentioned ahead-of-time. NONE. After taking on 4 of the competitors, however...

This is where it gets interesting. Their plot CONNECTS THEM with a char/group from SF2, SFEX, SFA/0, or SF3. Which *ala SFA* unfolds in match 5. THEN you take on 4 competitors from THOSE titles. So you can unlock 10 SF2'ers (Counting SSF2), 10 SFA/0 chars, 10 SFEX chars, and 10 SF3 chars. Defeating them will add a profile to your "Profile gallery", which includes a condition/mission which you can use against them to unlock them. Likes/Dislikes are a MUST in the profile.

2 from each group are a "Boss" from it, and a "Champion" from it. Score a perfect round, and it goes endurance-style into a "Boss" character, like Akuma, M. Bison, Garuda, and Gill. I know it sounds cheap, but consider: if you got a perfect, your lifebar is still full. And either way, you win the round. You can face a "Champion" (Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li, Skullomania) by completing the whole game with no continues.

Perhaps add a grapple system, so that you can grapple a blocking/turtling opponent, aim them, then release your grapple, catapulting them into the scenery. You can grapple back while being grappled to counter, and you can hit a :k: to score a hit and break an opponent's grapple (they must re-initiate it). Strike #3 like that is a takedown, to prevent looping/button-mashing from being rewarding.

And rather than trying to "correct" infinite combos, simply give "recieving ends" something they can do about it. For example, repeated attacks within a combo multiply your super-intake, which can be used for a "super armor"-like counterstrike, that you can start... get this... DURING a HIT REACTION. Not a block, not a parry, not a dodge, but while you're actually eating hits. So infinites or "loop combos" can be there, they're just not a "problem" anymore. Then it's all about controlling the match's momentum.

*oh whoops, got carried away there, huh?*

[hubcapsignstop]

whoa, somecrazy ideas to ponder. I just have one think to say tho, I am strictly opposed to SF going to polygons or cel shading graphics. I posted this befoer in a DOA thread but noone responded:
"...Call me doodoo head but all 3d rendered figures just seem aethetically clunky to me. maybe it be4cause ima Taurus and we get stuck on the pretty joints with our refined sense of beauty; but 3d animation has a long way to go before it matches the range of emotion and character that can be captured handdrawn in two dimensions. its all good 3d games are cool i just think they all look ugly"
im I on my own with this opinion? Im curious

[True_Tech]

i say we bring back the young guys and ryu from 3s then do like garou and bring out everyone's sons and daughters, naw really i just wanna see if mel would be a sick fighter,plus with no ken they probably won't do sean dirty again. but i def think it should stay a street fighter title just cause the same guys aren't in it doesn't make it not a street fighter game time moves on even in the sf world

[Daemos]

The primary reason why SF3 was a failure was because IT DIDN'T HAVE FAMILIAR FACES! SF2 was on top of the world for its characters which at the time were original and because of its gameplay. Notice I said AND, in order for SF4 to be successful Capcom needs to appeal to both NEW and OLD fans, definitely the OLD ones. Re-invent old characters, new stories and new costumes could benefit old characters, giving them a new feel.

The SF2 characters that appeared in SF3 didn't feel that new, they certainly didn't look it. This is why I think SF4 should have direct tie-ins to the SF universe, like having Ken's son in it, or maybe an older Sakura. How about an older Juni and/or Juli, Cammy perhaps? A very old Sagat? Bison in a new body? The return of Gouken?

So many storyline potentials that Capcom keep ignoring, cuz they are too afraid of taking risks. SF Alpha 3 was a bigger success than SF3 for precisely this reason. We see all our old favorites, back with new stories and new looks. What's so wrong about putting in 4-6 SF2 characters, 4-6 SF3 characters or 4-6 Alpha characters in an SF4 that has 15-20 characters? 50% old and 50% new. You CAN'T go wrong with this combo, the MK series sure as hell isn't and they are selling by the millions.

Don't give me that shit about we don't need old characters. Capcom keeps putting SF2 characters back into its VS game for a reason. It rarely if ever puts SF3 characters in VS games because they are flat (no pun intended), many have stolen movesets and little to no real background story.

And for fuck's sake, LET RYU AND AKUMA FINALLY DUKE IT OUT!!!!

[True_Tech]

lol @ the return of gouken, the sf storyline is already fucked up enough without him coming back from the dead

[Daemos]

Well how about Gouken's daughter? I read in the plot guide that sketches of her exist but she was never mentioned in an SF game. She could certainly add a twist to the story cuz.... GOUKEN TAUGHT HER THE RAGING DEMON TECHNIQUE!!! FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE AKUMA!!! MWAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA! :p

(Gouken's daughter also happens to be one of Bison's missing dolls :D j/k)

[eggsnham]

I agree with many of the ideas already posted except the SFEX/cell shaded one.
SF4 absolutely must be 2-D to capture the artistic essence of the series and ensure that the gameplay is still rich and deep.
I would like to see a return of every single SF2 character.
Please Capcom bring them ALL back.
Also bring back several from the Alpha series and those from SF3 as well.
Bringing all the characters together with the combination of actual storylines for each character would fill in all the gaps and confusion made about storylines in earlier games.
The last storyline that made sense and felt right was in SuperStreetFighter2turbo.
I also like the idea of seeing siblings come in.
Kens son vs Remy aka Guiles bastard son, Goukens Daughter vs Bisons younger clone who's been biogeneticaly enhanced.
Also including several grooves as optional would be nice.
I see how they are doing that in Capcom Fighting Jam so seeing this in SF4 would be nice as well.
And damnit!!! Bring back Haggar!!!
Dahhh!!!
I want to see Hagar vs Zangief!!!

[playboycougar]

I'd be perfectly happy with a 4th edition of SF3, and I actually would prefer it. SF3 is fawkin' solid and throw in a few more characters, BGs, and music and I'll be playin for another 5 years w/o a problem.

SF3 Reloaded<3

EDIT: PS, someone get a hold of the team that put together SNK's Last Blade 2 and get them workin' on some BGs... *drool*

[hubcapsignstop]

"The SF2 characters that appeared in SF3 didn't feel that new, they certainly didn't look it."

foreal Daemos?

"So many storyline potentials that Capcom keep ignoring, cuz they are too afraid of taking risks."

If it wasnt a big risk making SF3 with almost no old chars, i dont know what was. Despite SF3 being ill to death that risk didnt pay off and thats why they tread lightly with 2d fighting games. The risk didnt pay off it seems because some people may be more interested in reading/writing a fanfic (no disrespect to those) than playing with new chars. however bland some may seem in design, some with truly interesting movesets and individual intricacies.
That being said i guess I dont really have anything against the return of old chars, i guess im just angry about not having lots of new 2d fighting games. It'd be cool to see ryu as a rugged geezer...with a yagaodama.

[CrotchMonkey]

i just wish the backgrounds for street fighter didnt suck so bad. i really think the kind of backgrounds in public places with people watching and cheering add to the atmosphere and snk definently has that part down.

though stuff like the one level in last blade 2 (it was like a prairie, all red and shit) with ambient sounds are also pretty awesome for atmosphere...

[Rioting Soul]

When they say Ryu will be the only returning "classic" character they may mean to say that he's the only returning SF1 character as in "no Ken or Sagat". And I'd have a minor problem about Sagat not returning(if SF4 is the last SF) because Sagat is still training to have a meaningful fight with Ryu(he no longer needs it but still wants it). The only way I could understand someone saying they don't want all these returning characters would be because they don't want the slot for a possibly good new character to be filled by a character you've seen so many times already. But if Dream Fighter 5's story says that FighterX was defeated by Hero but vows to return then FighterX damn well better return. Shit!

Most of you will then say that story is not important... fuck that. If it's not important then why have one at all? The only reason it can even be speculated that story is not important to a fighter is because SF2 was so successful without a good one(for the moment... I suppose). If SF2 maintained its great gameplay AND had a story on par with a good RPG or Wolf's Reign then that would be the standard. Everyone saw how successful SF2 was and said "That's what ppl want in a fighter"(in the 90's). SNK(bless their hearts) made a soap opera out of their marquee fighter and I like that but my intention is not to make this a SNK vs Capcom thread.

Ryu, Sagat, Akuma, Bison(maybe), Sakura(maybe), Q, Alex(maybe), Urien and Gill should be the only returning part of the cast because the story designates it so. I fucking hate ill-written stories.

[crazydiamond]

So long as Capcom's design decisions are dictated by their design teams, and not by whiny fans, I'll be happy. And so long as a storyline doesn't compromise these designs, then it's ok.

[Rioting Soul]

I agree crazydiamond, thankfully Chun Li has nothing else to do in SF. I'm damn tired of seeing that kick super canceled into super jump two-hitting attack. Chun LI is done. So, have all conflicts and debates on this thread been resolved?

[HadoJosh]

fuck story. Gameplay and haveing decent characters is enough. some cool ass music perhaps. but fuck story. it just doesn't count for tourneys and overall is a waste of energy. look at CVS2, 3s, and MVC2. there is no (interesting) story yet those are popular games.

Anyway, If Capcom were to make SF4 they just need to do one hell of a job with the gameplay, bring in some classics (I mean if Ryu isn't going to be in it then I'm cool with Guile and other classics not returning) mabye but definetally make cool ass character designs, music, and mabye good backgrounds. But no energy needs to be spent on story since story in fighting games is like trying to put story in a porn movie or a sports game....

[crazydiamond]

fuck story. Gameplay and haveing decent characters is enough. some cool ass music perhaps. but fuck story. it just doesn't count for tourneys and overall is a waste of energy. look at CVS2, 3s, and MVC2. there is no (interesting) story yet those are popular games.

Anyway, If Capcom were to make SF4 they just need to do one hell of a job with the gameplay, bring in some classics (I mean if Ryu isn't going to be in it then I'm cool with Guile and other classics not returning) mabye but definetally make cool ass character designs, music, and mabye good backgrounds. But no energy needs to be spent on story since story in fighting games is like trying to put story in a porn movie or a sports game....

Exactly!!

[HadoJosh]

good to know I have someone who agrees with me =)

[True_Tech]

they need minimum story like build up on sean being ken's student and simple stuff like that and give q a fucking story besides inspector gagdet with a metal head, but there doesn't need to be a whole book about it

[Golden Dragon]

fuck story. Gameplay and haveing decent characters is enough. some cool ass music perhaps. but fuck story. it just doesn't count for tourneys and overall is a waste of energy. look at CVS2, 3s, and MVC2. there is no (interesting) story yet those are popular games.
Hmm...Indeed those games did rock ass (not too sure about MvC2). Still, CvS2 and MvC2 are dream matches, so I don't care if they have a story or not. 3s has a different story than New Generation/2nd Impact, but nothing important happens. That's probably 'cuz it's only an SF3 upgrade and not a brand new game. Storyline-wise, it's only a slight aftermath/continuation of the events of New Generation/2nd Impact, and not a completely new plot line. Most of the characters are just wandering around, doing their own thing. However, we're not talking about dream matches or upgrades. We're talking about a sequel, so a storyline is sorta' expected. Personally, I say gameplay comes first before everything else. At the same time, storyline doesn't affect/compromise the gameplay, so why not include a decent one? Lighten up, ppl. As long as gameplay quality isn't sacrificed for story, I'm all for storyline.

[HadoJosh]

Hmm...Indeed those games did rock ass (not too sure about MvC2). Still, CvS2 and MvC2 are dream matches, so I don't care if they have a story or not. 3s has a different story than New Generation/2nd Impact, but nothing important happens. That's probably 'cuz it's only an SF3 upgrade and not a brand new game. Storyline-wise, it's only a slight aftermath/continuation of the events of New Generation/2nd Impact, and not a completely new plot line. Most of the characters are just wandering around, doing their own thing. However, we're not talking about dream matches or upgrades. We're talking about a sequel, so a storyline is sorta' expected. Personally, I say gameplay comes first before everything else. At the same time, storyline doesn't affect/compromise the gameplay, so why not include a decent one? Lighten up, ppl. As long as gameplay quality isn't sacrificed for story, I'm all for storyline.

Well, I for one used to think that story was cool or necessary....

but I slowly realized how unneccessary it is for FIGHTING game since they usually suck ass anyway. Plus, it's almost impracticle to make a fighting game into a solid narrative. besides, there is an SF comic and anime with a story anyway.....

It's like this, if a game has shotty gameplay, none cares for story. if a game has excellent gameplay and every other aspect upto perfection, none still doesn't care for story. SF4 is no exception.

[Rioting Soul]

The story doesn't matter for the arcade and tournament players, yes. But what about the most profitable part of the business? Consoles?

HadoJosh, your statement of disagreement with me has proven the validity of my point.

"But I slowly realized how unneccessary it is for a FIGHTING game since they usually suck ass anyway. Plus, it's almost impractical to make a fighting game into a solid narrative. Besides, there is a SF comic and anime with a story anyway.....

If a game has excellent gameplay and every other aspect up to perfection, no one would care for story. SF4 is no exception."

-Editted by Rioting Soul

You see, you have seen all these fighting games and their sub-par stories and say "What's the use?". But, a fighting game story can be MUCH better than the standard it is today but the fighting game creators aren't worried about story because they don't think the fans/consumers care for a story and most of you don't because SF2 has tought you not to care(huge run-on). You say it's impractical to make a fighting game into a solid narrative, how so? Would a plothole-less story somehow hinder the game in other aspects?

What you have done was come at this with an arcade player's perspective, which is steadily becoming less important. A console port of an arcade-first fighter would profit greatly by a story mode(not to be confused with arcade mode) that explains the story through cutscenes(CG or cel) on par with Square Enix. And console players would get more of a reason to give Capcom their money in this genre and that can only help the situation.

A fighting game with a story that draws you in is not impossible or impractical, just improbable.

[Golden Dragon]

The story doesn't matter for the arcade and tournament players, yes. But what about the most profitable part of the business? Consoles?

HadoJosh, your statement of disagreement with me has proven the validity of my point.

"But I slowly realized how unneccessary it is for a FIGHTING game since they usually suck ass anyway. Plus, it's almost impractical to make a fighting game into a solid narrative. Besides, there is a SF comic and anime with a story anyway.....

If a game has excellent gameplay and every other aspect up to perfection, no one would care for story. SF4 is no exception."

-Editted by Rioting Soul

You see, you have seen all these fighting games and their sub-par stories and say "What's the use?". But, a fighting game story can be MUCH better than the standard it is today but the fighting game creators aren't worried about story because they don't think the fans/consumers care for a story and most of you don't because SF2 has tought you not to care(huge run-on). You say it's impractical to make a fighting game into a solid narrative, how so? Would a plothole-less story somehow hinder the game in other aspects?

What you have done was come at this with an arcade player's perspective, which is steadily becoming less important. A console port of an arcade-first fighter would profit greatly by a story mode(not to be confused with arcade mode) that explains the story through cutscenes(CG or cel) on par with Square Enix. And console players would get more of a reason to give Capcom their money in this genre and that can only help the situation.

A fighting game with a story that draws you in is not impossible or impractical, just improbable.
Very true.
I remember Soul Blade and Guilty Gear XX had pretty sick story modes. I wish more fighting games had story modes like that. When it comes to fighring games, the quality of the storyline doesn't interfere w/ the playing experience and shouldn't determine whether you like the game or not. All I'm saying is that a decent storyline doesn't hurt. If anything, it adds flavor. It isn't necessary to debate/argue 'cuz I think we all can agree that storyline definitely doesn't take away from the game itself. I think a long-running series like SF, that has so many established and unique characters, kinda' has a responsibility create a decent storyline for its sequel (if there is one). I think the only reason so many fans have the "fuck story" attitude is 'cuz Capcom gave us no choice but to think that way.

[Daemos]

I'd be perfectly happy with a 4th edition of SF3, and I actually would prefer it. SF3 is fawkin' solid and throw in a few more characters, BGs, and music and I'll be playin for another 5 years w/o a problem.


I like that idea but only if:

1- All the 'new' characters are actually classic characters (Bison included :clap: )

2- More time and effort is put into the story.

3- Every character gets at least ONE new move, just like how Super SF2 gave every character a new move.

[Nightime]

Why did SF3 flop? New characters? No, just lack of classic ones. Do you think SFA3 would have been as cool without the plotline, or gameplay such as "World Tour" and "Dramatic Battle"? Probably not. Is this a "sequel" if there were no tie-ins to it's roots? Nope.

The reason I suggest the new cast to start with, is because it's a new game. And who wouldn't go all out to unlock the classic characters, especially if it triples or quadruples the cast count? Plus, it's always best to learn a new system with a new character. Plus, the new characters MAKE the plot. The tie-ins to the classic characters MAKE their plots as well. And that's completely open-ended, so there's no real reason to neglect it.

As for the dodge and grapple systems, it's just a refinement to the gameplay depth. Something every sequel needs. Particularly when you can't just "map out new levels". And why suggest the SFEX/3D take? Because IMHO, SFEX had the most solid, quick pacing. It stayed exciting without needing to be cranked to "Turbo 3". Plus, the "dodge" system wouldn't work as well in 2D.

It's taking everything good about each SF, bundling it, and making a new game on TOP of it. Which, let's face it, is EXACTLY what everyone here wants and expects. Untrue?

[crazydiamond]

It's taking everything good about each SF, bundling it, and making a new game on TOP of it. Which, let's face it, is EXACTLY what everyone here wants and expects. Untrue?

Not me, I want and expect Capcom to surprise me with a Street Fighter that I never thought was possible. Just like they have done with the last versions.

And I am so glad that the opinions of the people on this thread have NO effect in the decisions that Capcom will be making in the production of Street Fighter 4.

phew.

[AndrewTS]

I think the only reason so many fans have the "fuck story" attitude is 'cuz Capcom gave us no choice but to think that way.

I disagree. As a fan of shooters, action games, platformers, fighters, etc. I do not give a damn about a story. Whenever those cut scenes show up--I skip them. I used to play RPGs a lot, but I got sick of playing the same game over and over for that. I'm 22, and I don't have countless hours to waste on the electronic equivalent of busy work. Neither do I feel like investing time to care about stories that I find are usually poor and cliched anyway.

There are games where story is essential--RPGs if you care for the genre, horror games like Silent Hill, but these sorts of games don't need them.

Of course, the video game companies can feel free to do market research, see if most gamers with interest in the titles would like to see a larger emphasis on story, and proceed from there. I'll still skip them except for the cool endings, probably.

However, I get disgusted and irritated when people want to make games "interactive entertainment," anyway. That leads to games like MGS2.

Why did SF3 flop? New characters? No, just lack of classic ones.

Nope. I think that's absolutely crazy. There were plenty of reasons SF3 flopped, but that one doesn't even crack my personal top 5 opinions about the issue.

Do you think SFA3 would have been as cool without the plotline, or gameplay such as "World Tour" and "Dramatic Battle"?

World Tour was a home-only thing, and I disliked A3 and thought the story was ghey. Dramatic Battle wasn't new.

Probably not. Is this a "sequel" if there were no tie-ins to it's roots? Nope.

SF3 had Ryu and Ken. That's all you *really* need for an SF.

[Higher-Jin]

2 questions

the fuck happens between akuma and ryu

the fuck happens with sagat and ryu

and P.S:

when the fuck is ken going to beat ryu at least once

[crazydiamond]

2 questions

the fuck happens between akuma and ryu

the fuck happens with sagat and ryu

and P.S:

when the fuck is ken going to beat ryu at least once

It depends on who is playing them.

[Rioting Soul]

Only if Ryu is unfocused or if Ken is Bison's new body(eww).

[Golden Dragon]

Yeah, Ken has beaten Ryu more than once. It's just that Ryu has the better win record. That's what he says in 3rd Strike, right? Ken beat Ryu during SFA2, but only because Ryu wasn't focused, or some shit like that. It's pretty lame how Ryu is given some bullshit excuse whenever he loses to Ken. In the end, Ryu is better by default becuz he's 100% japanese and Ken isn't.

[Tritoch]

Ken:"Yes! I kicked your ass!"
Ryu:"Uh, oh yeah, I forgot, I'm on the bud."
Ken:"WTF."

[Higher-Jin]

bullshit though, this shit's been going on forever and they haven't resolved shit.

at least ryu vs. akuma needs to get a definitive ending.

[CrotchMonkey]

i think i have the same want as crazydiamond, i want capcom to just bust out something that makes us go "holy shit we still love you capcom!@".

though if capcom goes for story hey thats an extra read in the crapper but if not im cool i just want the game.

and yeah i think ken is supposed to be ryus equal storyline wise past sfa2. wait nm, ryu is full japanese so he gets dark hadou.

[crazydiamond]

bullshit though, this shit's been going on forever and they haven't resolved shit.

at least ryu vs. akuma needs to get a definitive ending.

I think the Udon comics are gonna tackle all this stuff. And it will all be resolved before 2008.

[Higher-Jin]

2008...

ah...

:lame:

you figure it would happen in you know the game... and it should be revealed if akuma is actually his father aswell.

[Wellman]

Ryu vs. Sagat, basically ended in A3. Sagat is no longer after vengence so the rivalry is basically no longer critical, since a battle between them would only be between friends as they both now respect one another.

The Akuma/Ryu story probably wasn't meant end until the series itself is finished since Akuma has become fairly popular they will want to milk him for all he is worth. But since the 2D fighting market is no longer all that profitable nor do all the hardcore gamers give a shit, Capcom probably won't do shit to finish any of the storylines.

I suggest praying for a better constructed dream match.

[True_Tech]

i wanna see whats up with the new oro trained ryu

[OrangeCat]

Like I said long ago, why doesn't Capcom just do what they usually do? Rehash an old concept. I said this before in "what to expect in the next SF" or something like that before the crash a few months back and basically it'll be a game that pre-dates even SF1. Basically what'll it be is the SF tournament but with characters who are basically old or were old in the rest of the series. Roster would be:


Gouki/Akuma (pre demon form): Yes it would be neat to see Akuma before he went Satsu no Hadou. Black/brown hair regular coloured eyes. So he would be a generic shoto I would imagine.
Gouken (Akuma's Brother, Ryu/Ken's Master): Another Shoto to complete the roster.
Go Hibiki: Oh yeah, the Dan man's father! It would be great to see if he's actually a serious fighter or a joke character like Dan. Total Takuma references.
Young Sagat (Pre losing his eye): Here's a pic of him (http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/bio/sagat/youngsagat/youngsagat.jpg) after killing Go Hibiki I think. (prolly have to cut a paste). Another neat addition to the roster.
Younger Gen: I would imagine Gen would still be pretty old, but still he'd look better.
Younger Bison (Pre-Psycho Drive): I imagine him to be a young cadet in the Shadaloo army before he basically killed some people to get that fucking job as dictator.
Chun-Li's dad: Yuppers. I dunno.
Young Haggar: Yppers, another guy...well who knows
Zeku (Guy's master): yes bushinn represent.
for a boss or secret Boss: Sheng Long and/or Young Oro: I figured it'd be shitty to have a fucking shoto as a boss...again. So have him as a secret boss with the same requirements to get him like Akuma in SSF2T, then you get to fight him.
Secret Characters: Young Ryu and Ken: Yuppers, have them just fight just like Dan...they are untrained, or amateurs. It'd be nice to see them degrade instead of upgrade.


OC

[Higher-Jin]

Like I said long ago, why doesn't Capcom just do what they usually do? Rehash an old concept. I said this before in "what to expect in the next SF" or something like that before the crash a few months back and basically it'll be a game that pre-dates even SF1. Basically what'll it be is the SF tournament but with characters who are basically old or were old in the rest of the series. Roster would be:


Gouki/Akuma (pre demon form): Yes it would be neat to see Akuma before he went Satsu no Hadou. Black/brown hair regular coloured eyes. So he would be a generic shoto I would imagine.
Gouken (Akuma's Brother, Ryu/Ken's Master): Another Shoto to complete the roster.
Go Hibiki: Oh yeah, the Dan man's father! It would be great to see if he's actually a serious fighter or a joke character like Dan. Total Takuma references.
Young Sagat (Pre losing his eye): Here's a pic of him (http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/bio/sagat/youngsagat/youngsagat.jpg) after killing Go Hibiki I think. (prolly have to cut a paste). Another neat addition to the roster.
Younger Gen: I would imagine Gen would still be pretty old, but still he'd look better.
Younger Bison (Pre-Psycho Drive): I imagine him to be a young cadet in the Shadaloo army before he basically killed some people to get that fucking job as dictator.
Chun-Li's dad: Yuppers. I dunno.
Young Haggar: Yppers, another guy...well who knows
Zeku (Guy's master): yes bushinn represent.
for a boss or secret Boss: Sheng Long and/or Young Oro: I figured it'd be shitty to have a fucking shoto as a boss...again. So have him as a secret boss with the same requirements to get him like Akuma in SSF2T, then you get to fight him.
Secret Characters: Young Ryu and Ken: Yuppers, have them just fight just like Dan...they are untrained, or amateurs. It'd be nice to see them degrade instead of upgrade.


OC

i vote for you to be the next capcom ceo

and sagat looks cool.

[True_Tech]

boo to all of that besides gouken, that would be alright for a prequel but i doubt it would sale well who wants to play as a wack ken and ryu?

[Higher-Jin]

me me i do i do.

i'd say they play more like sean than dan.

[hubcapsignstop]

naw they should be little piss-ant kids
with shin kicks and crotch blows
i already wanna make them cry

[crazydiamond]

Oh yeah that idea, it should have Goutetsu and Young Rose in it too (She would be in Psycho-Vega's storyline.)
And it should all be done in CPS3! Or some cool new hardware Capcom is developing.

And this idea would satisfy all those people that wanted 'Classic' characters! HAHAHA ha!

[Wellman]

Like I said long ago, why doesn't Capcom just do what they usually do? Rehash an old concept. I said this before in "what to expect in the next SF" or something like that before the crash a few months back and basically it'll be a game that pre-dates even SF1. Basically what'll it be is the SF tournament but with characters who are basically old or were old in the rest of the series. Roster would be:


Gouki/Akuma (pre demon form): Yes it would be neat to see Akuma before he went Satsu no Hadou. Black/brown hair regular coloured eyes. So he would be a generic shoto I would imagine.
Gouken (Akuma's Brother, Ryu/Ken's Master): Another Shoto to complete the roster.
Go Hibiki: Oh yeah, the Dan man's father! It would be great to see if he's actually a serious fighter or a joke character like Dan. Total Takuma references.
Young Sagat (Pre losing his eye): Here's a pic of him (http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/bio/sagat/youngsagat/youngsagat.jpg) after killing Go Hibiki I think. (prolly have to cut a paste). Another neat addition to the roster.
Younger Gen: I would imagine Gen would still be pretty old, but still he'd look better.
Younger Bison (Pre-Psycho Drive): I imagine him to be a young cadet in the Shadaloo army before he basically killed some people to get that fucking job as dictator.
Chun-Li's dad: Yuppers. I dunno.
Young Haggar: Yppers, another guy...well who knows
Zeku (Guy's master): yes bushinn represent.
for a boss or secret Boss: Sheng Long and/or Young Oro: I figured it'd be shitty to have a fucking shoto as a boss...again. So have him as a secret boss with the same requirements to get him like Akuma in SSF2T, then you get to fight him.
Secret Characters: Young Ryu and Ken: Yuppers, have them just fight just like Dan...they are untrained, or amateurs. It'd be nice to see them degrade instead of upgrade.


OC

Can I make a few suggestions?

Gouki/Akuma: I think he should suck. I mean have it be that he sucks so bad he is considered worst than Sean (storyline wise)is supposed to be. Just to give him reason to turn to the 'killing intent' easily. Kind of like Anakin.
Gouken: Give him something that makes him different from your current everyday shoto. He can have the three basics but just make sure there is more to it than just that.
Go Hibiki: Secret have costume select for him that wears a mask!
Young Sagat: I don't care, just don't make him suck.
Young Gen: Have him be young and reckless, but don't make him a hot head, or take away from his moves.

Although really when I think of a game like this, it may seriously work as a 3D fighter. But whatever.

[OrangeCat]

Personally you can make all the suggestions you want really, because:


I'm not from Capcom and not producing, creating, or designing this
I'm not some rabid fanboy with his own idea of how SF should be and anyone who makes suggestions are idiots because my plan is perfect...because I thought of it


But who knows, the only think that I'm remotly kinda fanatical about this is that why doesn't Capcom do this? I mean with the sucess of the SFA series, it just kinda makes sense, hell even some kinda STUPID suit would think of this shit I would imagine.

But who knows, because of SFA3 where they basically rehashed EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER from the SF2 series into that game...it just made people skeptical of it all. I mean sure it's nice, but still it just shows Capcom's brand of innovation through unoriginality.

But who knows, perhaps Capcom is smarter than we are, and perhaps they are going to lay low on the direct series sequel/official flagship 2D fighter scene until the bitter taste of having VERSIONS UPON VERSIONS of SF being released within years of each other. and perhaps that for the best to release something later where there's a new impressionable crowd to grab ahold of it.

[Nokato]

Sadly enough as much as any true fan would want a new SF its highly unlikely that Capcom will put effort into a new 2D fighting game with the quality and substance that everyone would expect the SF4 sequel to be. The strong basis for this is the undeniable fact that when you give people what they "want" often times when its given people don't know how to react to it. Case in point SF3. Even with its problems in the earlier versions SFIII was a relatively new game with a different in every facet of its presentation. It only recently within the past few years has garnered popularity in the US among regional competitors. As much as I wish that we had a strong grip on Capcom, we don't. Sales reports do. SF3 for as wonderful a game it still is it did not make the projected sales that Capcom was hoping for with all work and effort put into the game. One thing that people have to remember is no matter the diversity of games that come from Capcom....Capcom is a business and they have to adapt according to the trends and market of the gaming industry. I'm sure they're aware of their hardcore fanbase but its not a reliable enough niche to keep Capcom from going bankupt. If SF4 happens it will be at a better time to possibly reintroduce 2D fighting games to gamers with a higher quality than whats possible now with a better market in mind, I don't see that happening soon but it might be a possiblity.

[Crayz Penguin]

naw they should be little piss-ant kids
with shin kicks and crotch blows
i already wanna make them cry
:clap: :clap:
now THATS a street fighter! :rofl:

their super should be throwin dirt in ur face and stunning you

[crazydiamond]

[QUOTE=OrangeCat]Personally you can make all the suggestions you want really, because:


I'm not from Capcom and not producing, creating, or designing this
I'm not some rabid fanboy with his own idea of how SF should be and anyone who makes suggestions are idiots because my plan is perfect...because I thought of it


QUOTE]

You're obviously being sarcastic as a friend and I thought of this idea last year, probably along with thousands of other street fighter fans.

[OrangeCat]

You're obviously being sarcastic as a friend and I thought of this idea last year, probably along with thousands of other street fighter fans.

First of all I wasn't sarcastic, I really don't care what suggestions people put to this idea because...yes...hundreds of other SF fans have prolly thought of it before.

Also I really don't care if people makes suggestions to that idea. Not in a omfg it's my idea don't ruin it!. But more of a sure go ahead, there's nothing to be gained or lost from it.

I mentioned the fanboy comment because I don't want people to think that this is some kinda serious pet project I have bubbling in the back of my mind, waiting one day to pitch this to Capcom with a powerpoint presentation and pie charts. The absolute most that can happen is Capcom happens onto this, and either take it or ignore it.

OC

[crazydiamond]

First of all I wasn't sarcastic, I really don't care what suggestions people put to this idea because...yes...hundreds of other SF fans have prolly thought of it before.

Also I really don't care if people makes suggestions to that idea. Not in a omfg it's my idea don't ruin it!. But more of a sure go ahead, there's nothing to be gained or lost from it.

I mentioned the fanboy comment because I don't want people to think that this is some kinda serious pet project I have bubbling in the back of my mind, waiting one day to pitch this to Capcom with a powerpoint presentation and pie charts. The absolute most that can happen is Capcom happens onto this, and either take it or ignore it.

OC

It is a neat idea though, although sadly I doubt that Capcom would take a chance with another prequel. But who knows?

[AiRiC]

I made this idea for mugen about 4 years ago.... you forgot one "Gotetsu" Akuma's aka Gouki and Gouken's Master

[Rioting Soul]

Well for 5 years SF3 was only on DC and arcade. DC was never really popular even with its graphics superior to the PSX and arcade is arcade. SF3 not being on a Sony console until recently could be one of the many reasons SF3 didn't do so well when it debuted. Though I don't think SF3 could've run on PSX.

[CyanideAssassin]

by the time this game comes out, I doubt many of the people from srk will even be playing street fighter anymore.
I will be playing SF and video games in general until I die. Ive been playing my whole life, Im now 20, Im just too set in my ways now to change :karate:
so in response to this whole thread: If Capcom puts this game out, I will play it. If not,I will still keep playing SF.
(I do hope they make it though)

[Agmaster]

Bumped to the top, close the other sf4 threads.

[CyanideAssassin]

Thank you!!!

[google]

I'm pretty positive reading long ago, that if they [capcom] made SF4, it would contain a handful characters from every Street Fighter Series, and of course new characters.

But that was a long time ago.

[Migg]

I'm pretty positive reading long ago, that if they [capcom] made SF4, it would contain a handful characters from every Street Fighter Series, and of course new characters.

But that was a long time ago.

That would be a good idea.
I'd rather see a handful of old characters instead of 2 or none.

[Rioting Soul]

Returning Characters

It would be stupid for Capcom to make Ryu the only returning character. It's like they make SF the same way Square makes FF. Each sequel a new world, story and cast except for a few reminders to let you know you are still playing a game of the same name(Ryu/Mog, Bahamut, Chocobo). It doesn't make sense to me. Some of the old characters still have business in the story... but story doesn't matter in the least [right?] so Sagat dies without getting his fight, Guy doesn't care about fighting evil anymore, Akuma gave up on Ryu and decided to sleep during the tournament, Gill changes his mind about Alex and everyone forgets about his end of days prophecy and Ryu just keeps on fighting. These characters just feel like filler.

Capcom Guy1: We need a character that plays like Guile.
Capcom Guy2: Why not use Guile?
Capcom Guy1: You idiot. If we did that then we'd be adding depth to him and supplying the fans with a nostalgic and memorable character.
Capcom Guy2: How about some Frenchie named Remy looking for his father whom he never finds?
Capcom Guy1: Perfect! Now, get to work on the Guile-like character for SF4.
Capcom Guy2: How about Remy?
Capcom Guy1: .....

Given the failure of SF3 it makes more sense to make like KoF and let us know SF1, 2, 3 and 4 take place in the same dimension. I'm not saying bring back Dhalsim, just the characters that make sense and would come back given their character and the story.

[Sonic_Reaper]

You know what I always hated Guile. His personality is carboard and his gameplay stiff. And he's kinda slow.

I honestly prefer Remy. More flexible, faster, and three million times more personality than that carboard cut-out Guile. I mean, American flag tattoos? Army fatigues? Jesus Christ f'kin lame ass shit.

[Philth]

I hear Watson is broken in this game.
His parking lot background stage is sposed to be hella dope.
But his bgm is sposed to be gay. Like the ending credit theme to Wizard or something.

[Burning Ranger]

You know what I always hated Guile. His personality is carboard and his gameplay stiff. And he's kinda slow.

I honestly prefer Remy. More flexible, faster, and three million times more personality than that carboard cut-out Guile. I mean, American flag tattoos? Army fatigues? Jesus Christ f'kin lame ass shit.

Then again, Guile along with most of the SF2 cast was created back in the early 1990s (or even late 80s). This is also Capcom you're talking about. You really can't blame them.

My opinion:kill the Street Fighter series. End it. The only people who would care about SF4 are the fans (mainstream gamers would rather play Halo, YuGiOh or Madden than play another fighter--unless it had boobs and blood, and even then there's a limit). And we all know Capcom has not lately shown any love for it's fans (if it did, CFE would be 1000x better).

Besides, if SF4 was to be made, then people would still complain anyway.

[white shadow]

Besides, if SF4 was to be made, then people would still complain anyway.


Sometimes I wonder why they even ask/hope in the first place. No one can seem to just accept the game the way it is, they always have to nitpick or personalize everything like the game was catered for them and only them.

[Saotome Kaneda]

I hear Watson is broken in this game.
His parking lot background stage is sposed to be hella dope.
But his bgm is sposed to be gay. Like the ending credit theme to Wizard or something.
Jokes, jokes....=p

[Golden Dragon]

Returning Characters

It would be stupid for Capcom to make Ryu the only returning character. It's like they make SF the same way Square makes FF. Each sequel a new world, story and cast except for a few reminders to let you know you are still playing a game of the same name(Ryu/Mog, Bahamut, Chocobo). It doesn't make sense to me. Some of the old characters still have business in the story... but story doesn't matter in the least [right?] so Sagat dies without getting his fight, Guy doesn't care about fighting evil anymore, Akuma gave up on Ryu and decided to sleep during the tournament, Gill changes his mind about Alex and everyone forgets about his end of days prophecy and Ryu just keeps on fighting. These characters just feel like filler.

Capcom Guy1: We need a character that plays like Guile.
Capcom Guy2: Why not use Guile?
Capcom Guy1: You idiot. If we did that then we'd be adding depth to him and supplying the fans with a nostalgic and memorable character.
Capcom Guy2: How about some Frenchie named Remy looking for his father whom he never finds?
Capcom Guy1: Perfect! Now, get to work on the Guile-like character for SF4.
Capcom Guy2: How about Remy?
Capcom Guy1: .....

Given the failure of SF3 it makes more sense to make like KoF and let us know SF1, 2, 3 and 4 take place in the same dimension. I'm not saying bring back Dhalsim, just the characters that make sense and would come back given their character and the story.
Co-sign X a GAZILLION. That's the smartest thing I've heard anyone say about anything. EVAR.

[Sonic_Reaper]

Yeah it's natural that some people would agree but it's only opinion. I've already stated what I think about Guile. If it were up to me, his ass would have been toast after SFA3 (ie: no more Guile).

I think the best alternate is a mix of old and new, to please both worlds, or at least try to. With CvS2 for example, all we got was old shit. I'm really sick and tired of the SF2 cast. And their gameplay doesn't evolve enough to justify having them in every single crossover game.

I think fighting game fans are xenophobic. And not even that, they are proud. Instead of trying a new character they'd rather use the same old ass character for decades to come simply because they can't stand losing a couple rounds while they get used to a new character. It can also be called outright lazy. I was the same in the past, but I find more reward in going through a roster and seeing who I liked. Some people, tsk, they go right for Ryu. How lame.

[Jackenstein373]

I heard Capcom America has rights to Street Fighter, so they are in control of the next game. The reason why nobody else is returning is because the company doesn't have the rights to do that....

ONLY WHAT I HEARD

[Golden Dragon]

Well I think Rioting Soul was using Guile just as an example. I agree mainly with his comment that SF4 should seem like an actual sequel. Capcom shouldn't always scrap ALL tha characters/storyline elements from the previous game and start from scratch when making a new SF. There were able to get away with it with SF2 only 'cuz no one gave a shit about SF1. I dunno what made them think they could get away with it again with SF3 after so many SF2 incarnations. By then, the SF2 cast had become so established. A mix of old and new characters is tha best alternative.

I think the best alternate is a mix of old and new, to please both worlds, or at least try to. With CvS2 for example, all we got was old shit. I'm really sick and tired of the SF2 cast. And their gameplay doesn't evolve enough to justify having them in every single crossover game.

I think fighting game fans are xenophobic. And not even that, they are proud. Instead of trying a new character they'd rather use the same old ass character for decades to come simply because they can't stand losing a couple rounds while they get used to a new character. It can also be called outright lazy. I was the same in the past, but I find more reward in going through a roster and seeing who I liked. Some people, tsk, they go right for Ryu. How lame.
I strongly agree with u as well, so I guess I'm just as fickle/confused as any other Capcom/SF fan.

[Daemos]

SF4 should have 40%-50% returning characters and the rest completely new. Anything else would shoot themselves in the foot.

Reinventing characters especially in terms of appearance can also make old characters feel and possibly play as if they were new. Mortal Kombat Deception did this very well.

If SF3 had at least 4-5 more returning characters I can guarantee it would've been more successful.