Why does SFa3 on DC sucks?

[Bastard_Wolf]

Sorry if this was already posted. Most people here says that sfa3 for dreamcast sucks. I played, and I didn't see too much differences between it and the arcade version. All I know is that phe PSone version sucks, but thats it.

the reason why I ask this, is because I wanted to buy it, but I really want to know if it really worth it. Thanx!

[Superking]

Bad gameplay tweaks, missing animation, the game's graphics bleed from the screen (like PS2 CvS2). There was a really good thread about this awhile back, but yeah the Dreamcast version is the worst out of all them. And the Playstation version is more closer to the arcade version than the DC version is. So you got it backwards. :p

[ShinShotokan]

I'd say it depends on what you are willing to sacrifice.

Many people in here are die-hard Capcom fans, and they are so die-hard that they are so conservative of themselves that they can't see anything compared to the Arcade.

I look at it this way.

SFA3 for the DreamCast has a hell of a lot much more add-ons and fightingmodes then the Arcade will ever have, more characters and even an intresting World Tour Mode where you will be able to fight against multiple enemies on the screen at the same time.
The DreamCast/PSX version of the game add new dimentions to it to the sacrifice of dropping the Arcade feel to it.

BUT, the PSX version is a bit different from the DC since due to the technical flaws the PSX had slowdowns, little space on CDs and among others.
The DreamCast uses GigaDiscs and has a boosted graphical preformance far better then the PSX and thereore there is more added to the DreamCast version of SFA3 then there is to the PSX version.

Secondly I do not think it's an financial issue.
DreamCastgames are fairly cheap now thesedays due to the console itself being dead for over the past years.
You can find pretty much any game for the DreamCast for somewhere near 10 bucks each.
I saw MvC2 for $9.99 the other day and I bought Marvel Super Heroes for $5.
So its not like it's your lifes biggest question ever.

But, I wouldn't recommend you playing the game with the default controller in any way.
That one sucks completely for Capcom games in every way.
Buy a stick (if you can find one) or alternatively, buy a GamePad with a better button-layout (preferebly with 8 buttons) as a substitute until you find a stickfor a resonable price.
GamePads for the DC that have a better layout doesn't cost more then 10-15 bucks.


In total, the DC version has some extra stuff that adds new dimentions to the gameplay and some fun stuff, but it sacrifices the Arcade perfection if that's what you are looking for.

I myself am still stuck in World Tour Mode in that game and I can't get past the last boss.

Gee. Wonder why?

http://members.chello.se/meg/boss1.jpg
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[PsychoSquall]

Originally posted by ShinShotokan

I myself am still stuck in World Tour Mode in that game and I can't get past the last boss.

Gee. Wonder why?

After you lose from that last battle, it lists a bunch of options for you to choose from. Example: Retry, Save, etc.
An extra option appears only after this particular battle, and you can just choose it to proceed as if you had won that fight.

[FighterX]

I honestly don't know why they don't just include the option of either "DC" (with home version-specific tweaks) or "Arcade" in the home version. That way everyone would have been happy. I mean, they did it for SvC Chaos on PS2.

I don't play on the "tourney level", but then again, I haven't been to any tourneys with it, so the tweaks really don't matter that much to me, but I can see why it's such a big deal.

[Joe Fry]

Originally posted by Kyoji
Bad gameplay tweaks, missing animation, the game's graphics bleed from the screen (like PS2 CvS2). There was a really good thread about this awhile back, but yeah the Dreamcast version is the worst out of all them. And the Playstation version is more closer to the arcade version than the DC version is. So you got it backwards. :p

Are you using S video for your PS2? My CvS2 looked crystal clear on the ps2. I litteraly sat and was in awe of the character select screen when I first saw it after playing the DC one for so long.

[Hol Horse]

DC SFA3 is good for one thing, that is 3 player Dramatic Battle.
Just too fun!!

[Rairu]

dc A3 fucking sucks. why can't capcom just do a good arcade port? is it really that hard? They were probably too busy making another shitty resident evil game to worry about it. fucking useless capcom.

[Ubersaurus]

People don't like the DC version because it's even less like the aracde then the other two, and when you want to, you know, LEARN how to play a game, you generally want to stick to the best possible port.

bad things about the DC version (as far as I can remember)

Screwy timing on v-isms
move properties changed (sakura stand roundhouse comes to mind)
characters balance changed around

wasn't the katobbi and the crouch cancels removed too? I coulda sworn they were, but then, maybe the timing on them is fucked up too.

[Famicom]

From what I heard, the Japanese Sega Saturn version of Alpha 3 was the best port than both PSX and DC versions. Someone on another msg board I go to clarified why.

By Neo Geo.com's Kirk Foiden
The Dreamcast, given it's ability to do 3D and Capcom thought that they would still do the polygon effects as they thought it would look better. The Playstation was done that way due to cutting down ram so that it can play and load faster. The Saturn, well, they didn't have the option of doing polygons with transparancies, so they thought it more convenient to simply go back and make a direct port of the Arcade. One in which all the 2D sprites return without the 3D poly changes.

So yes, the Saturn has the most arcade-perfect graphics of the ports. It was done quite well.

After all, with the RAM cart, Sega Saturn was a true 2-D Powerhouse in the 32-bit world and practically no one complained about Capcom ports of arcade games.

[TS]

The irony is that the Saturn version still has load times...not really in between fights, but if you do a soft reset (ABC+Start) or in between World Tour Battles.

...because Capcom was lazy. It was wither optimize the game for the Saturn, or take out all of the loading screens art...because they sure as hell weren't going to make an art gallery feature.

[ShinShotokan]

Originally posted by PsychoSquall


After you lose from that last battle, it lists a bunch of options for you to choose from. Example: Retry, Save, etc.
An extra option appears only after this particular battle, and you can just choose it to proceed as if you had won that fight.

That still doesn't equal beating them :P

Wait.. what happends even if you manage to beat them?

This is getting off topic...

[Superking]

Originally posted by Joe Fry


Are you using S video for your PS2? My CvS2 looked crystal clear on the ps2. I litteraly sat and was in awe of the character select screen when I first saw it after playing the DC one for so long.


I don't have CvS2 for my PS2, I have it for the DC, I played the PS2 version at a friend's house. And it looks horrible compared to the DC version seriously, S-Video or not, it's just bad. :confused:


Oh yeah, the Saturn version IIRC still wasn't an exact port of the arcade version since it did have some gameplay tweaks as well, so really none of the ports of Alpha 3 are perfect, well unless you mod your Xbox and run Kawaks on it. :lol:

[FighterX]

Originally posted by TS
The irony is that the Saturn version still has load times...not really in between fights, but if you do a soft reset (ABC+Start) or in between World Tour Battles.

...because Capcom was lazy. It was wither optimize the game for the Saturn, or take out all of the loading screens art...because they sure as hell weren't going to make an art gallery feature.

That's nothing. The load times are only a few seconds at the most. At least the game itself is untouched. They are a minor nuisance at first, but you get used to it, and soon you forget about it.

I don't think it was laziness, but that's just my opinion.

[-|[kunoichi]|-]

either way, i still wouldnt mind having the game.

[Azrael]

The reason people dislike the home ports of A3 is because they're fundamentally different from the arcade version.

The timing on a lot of V-ISM combos is different, and there are some V-ISM's you can hit in the arcade but you just can't hit at home, and vice versa. I believe they changed the properties on Dhalsim's limbs...he was a powerhouse in the arcade, but was pretty weak in the home versions. I know the timing on jump-ins into combos is way different between the two.

For most people nowadays, we buy the home version to practice for arcade play. But the home versions of A3 were useless because it wasn't arcade play - even if we mastered everything on the DC, when we got to the arcade we'd be frustrated because things just don't work the same.

If you are a casual gamer who doesn't care about these things so much, then go ahead and buy it. Many people own a home version of A3 anyway because its marginally better than nothing, myself included. But if arcade perfection is what you're after, you may find yourself quite disappointed in the conversion.

[Bastard_Wolf]

Hey thanx for the help guys! Now I'm pretty sure that i'll buy the game. Anyway I never really played the arcade version, so I wont see any differences. Now all I gotta do is to find a good joystick, cause the dc gamepad juts plain sucks for theses games.

BTW, I own the ps2 version of CVS2, and I didn't see too much differences between it and the arcade version... Didnt play the DC version, though.

[slateman]

Originally posted by Azrael-sama
Many people own a home version of A3 anyway because its marginally better than nothing, myself included.

I think 'marginally better than nothing' is a bit excessive. It's a hell of a lot better than nothing. When I got Zero 3 for the PS1 from my importer I was thrilled beyond compare. I had never played the game until I got it on the PS1.

I fully understand your point though in that the versions are completely different. As I did with Zero 2 Alpha, I've considered doing a complete FAQ/Overview of the different versions of Zero 3. However, it seems as if this is a much bigger task than I initially thought. If the following are all different, then it's a huge task! Arcade, PS1/DC/SS, Arcade (Z3U), then GBA....that's 4 completely different versions. While I have all the home versions, I'll likely never see a Z3U arcade machine anywhere near me...which brings me back to my initial point. Having a home version, even if it's tweaked (not raped completely), is much better than nothing IMO. But I suppose those of you with access to arcade machines have a better grasp at the exact changes and such.

[Drunken Master]

I'm also curious about this question.

Because usually you don't get any real ansers. Just "DC A3 blows" and "Sim was Raped" and "VCs are different" and blah blah blah.

The closest to specifics has been Azrael-Sama. (thanks btw)

Are there any VCs that don't work on DC alone? How exactly are Sim's limbs changed? What moves don't they hit now?

Just from personal experience I can say DC A3 feels different than PSX A3. Slower somehow. Kind of like DC 3S. Comboing after a jump-in seems a lot harder. Not as responsive? Added startup on moves? I don't really know how to explain it. Anyone else experience this?

People got to give up the blind hate on console versions. Might not be aarcade perfect, but beggars can't be choosers right? The A3 scene is dying as it is, and not everyone has an A3 arcade machine.

[Gen-An]

Originally posted by Drunken Master
I'm also curious about this question.

Because usually you don't get any real ansers. Just "DC A3 blows" and "Sim was Raped" and "VCs are different" and blah blah blah.

The closest to specifics has been Azrael-Sama. (thanks btw)

Are there any VCs that don't work on DC alone? How exactly are Sim's limbs changed? What moves don't they hit now?



For one thing, his attacks are slower than in the arcade, and possibly have less priority. His standing RH could hit Ken and Ryu while they were standing in the arcade, but on console A3 it whiffs. In the arcade his low strong and low fierce could go under Hadoukens and hit ken/ryu in their fb stances which was EXTREMELY useful. On console A3, if you try to low punch under a hadouken Sim's limbs will immediately be hit by the projectile.

[SlaughterX]

Ok I don't know what everyone is bitchin for but I will just say this, the Dreamcast version of Street Fighter Alpha 3 is the best version you can own, except for maybe the Saturn version, but it's hard as hell to find and expensive to boot, while you can find it on DC for cheap now. I never was a big fan for blowin a lot of money on the arcade when you can just buy it for a home console and save all kinds of money, but I have played SFA3 on the arcade before (not nearly as much as the home versions) and I would say it's close enough to arcade perfect, frankly most of the people's gripes don't concern me or many other because I don't fuck with Dhalsim and I rarely use V-Ism. What I can say for sure (from extensive play of both the Dreamcast and PlayStation versions of Street Fighter Alpha 3), is the the Dreamcast version is the definative game, besides from the world tour mode on PS (for some reason I remember it being better), everything in the Dreamcast version is better (and the Japanese Street Fighter Zero 3 for Matching Service even lets you play other people in Japan online, so I guess Street Fighter Zero 3 for Matching Service is the best). And as for not being able to beat Akuma and Bison at the same time, what kind of Street Fighter are you man, I have 3 Master characters on the DC version (Shin Akuma, Evil Ryu and Ken), by the time I got there I wiped the floor with their bitch asses, but of coarse on my first few times through I didn't have Master characters (first time was Chun-LI on PS, second was Sakura on DC and then Karin on DC, then after those 3 I tried Ryu but he just fucking sucks so I only got level 28 with him). But anyway, you all need to stop your bitchin, if you're not satisfied with the home ports of SFA3 then save up $700 and buy a fuckin arcade, until then just shut the fuck up and keep playin, and Resident Evil is fuckin tight, Capcom is the shit... *Still looking for Street Fighter Zero 3 on Saturn*

[Azrael]

I used to work for a video game website with Viscant, way back in the day. He reviewed A3 on PSX, and basically called it a new drink coaster. I couldn't quite understand why. I read about the changes he stated in his review, but they didn't mean much to me. It wasn't until later on, when I started playing really seriously and actually going to tournaments, that I understood why the home versions of A3 were so worthless to him.

Amazingly, I found the old review he wrote. It took some digging, so I hope you guys appreciate it. ...Well, maybe it took a 5 minute search, but still. :p

Anyway, here's Viscant's old review of SFA3 when it first came out on PSX. It should clear up a lot of things.

To put it simply, this game was really a first for me. It really was. I don't think I've ever paid sixty bucks to import a frisbee 5 inches in diameter. To me, this is all this game will be good for. Now, perhaps I'm being a tad bit harsh. There really isn't *that* much wrong with the game if you take it as it is. In fact, one might even be able to argue that the game is perhaps better than it's arcade equivalent. But better isn't what I wanted. Better isn't what'd cut it for me, or for most of the people who buy Capcom fighters in general. I wanted the real thing, and I feel cheated because I didn't get it.

Gameplay: 6

This is the major problem I have with the game. By buying this game, you get about one half of the gameplay that you expect. When Capcom made the port, in addition to adding the new characters, they decided to make some changes. OK, OK, I'll admit it. Maybe...just maybe, these changes would be welcomed by some people. But I'll tell you what, yes I will, these changes made the entire difference between some whole matches. And that takes away the Alpha from the game.

Example: Say Dhalsim is playing against Charlie. In the arcade, Dhalsim could keep Charle pinned down with standing roundhouses and yoga fires. Also his extendable limbs would push Charlie slowly into a corner. In one of the delightful little intricacies that makes Street Fighter so beautiful, Charlie can't charge his moves. Pausing to charge long enough to set up a flash kick means being set into a corner usually. And getting stuck in the corner equals certain doom for him, so Charlie has to be flailing and moving around constantly, even jumping forwards often, something that's never been very bright in the SF series. All this just to avoid the corner. In the arcade, this really is pretty ugly. However, they changed Dhalsim for the port. For one thing, his standing roundhouse will mysteriously pass through a standing Charlie. It will pass through a standing anybody, something that is very, very wrong. Also, they have slowed down the timing on Dhalsim's extendable limbs; Charlie is now able to react to Dhalsim throwing out a standing strong with a flashkick. And because Charlie doesn't really have to worry about being pinned down by quicker extendable limbs that take off too much guard bar damage, he can sit on his tail and charge. Dhalsim now has to take more to the defensive and throw out more yoga fires than a thinking Dhalsim player really would like to. Charlie can then take advantage of his increased combo-ability (he can follow his sonic boom into a heavy re-dizzying combo). What once was a very good matchup for Dhalsim is now shifted back out of his favor. This is wrong. Other examples of changes are a tad bit more subtle, but still they take away from what was pretty good SF play. Ryu's hurricane kick now passes over fireballs. What's the problem with that? That would usually have resulted in a major counter in the arcade, which would lead to very large problems with Ryu. This strengthens Ryu. He can advance with virtual impunity. This port is not what you should get if you want to play SFZ3 or SFA3. For now, that kind of play can only be found in the arcade.


And a portion from my review of the game...

Gameplay: 7

I'm going to assume that, if you're reading this review, you're at least familiar with arcade SFA3's game engine. I need to do that in order to tell you about the changes that were made to PSX SFA3's game engine. Yes folks, some Capcom officials got together one night, and, after at least 10-12 beers, they decided to tweak the game engine. No no no no no. Rule #1 of arcade to home conversions (especially fighters) - YOU DO NOT TWEAK THE GAME ENGINE! Not even if you think the changes are for the better!

For one, the timing on jump in combos has changed. No, I'm not kidding. For example, suppose you're using Ryu. You want to do the standard jump in RK, crouching FK, fireball combo. In the arcade, after the jump kick makes contact, you immediately press D+FK, DF, F, FP and voila! 3 easy hits. However, in PSX SFA3, after the jumping RK hits, you have to wait until the sprite actually hits the ground before doing the rest of the combo. How insane is that?! The combo still works, but you have to insert a pause after your jump kick hits.

There are a few more game engine tweaks that you can read about in Viscant's SFZ3 review. And you'll probably find a few more on your own. Maybe some of these changes help improve the game engine, y'know, make the game a little more balanced. Maybe. Purists, however, will find themselves with a bad taste in their mouths after a few minutes of play. Even the most skilled SFA3 experts will find themselves having to relearn a few of the basics. I'm kinda pissed about this, and I know that, given time, I'll get over it and adjust to the changes, but still, I think it's an important aspect of the game you gamers need to know.

In addition to that, I know there are a few V-ISMS that don't work at home but do in the arcade, and vice versa. I think Rolento and Zangief have one of these, but I'm not entirely sure.

And I believe the speed is kind of off. 2 Star speed is slightly slower than the arcade, while 3 star speed is slightly faster. When you become a serious/tournament fighter, and every frame becomes important, something like that is pretty huge. Not to mention how it can throw off your timing for V-ISMS.

[TS]

Home ports of SFA3 are all good games. They're just not arcade-perfect. If this is important to you, then I suggest you get the Saturn version as it is the closest, or just avoid console versions altogether. If you like the game, but aren't really at a point where not being able to do extended crouch-cancels during-after a VC in one versionn because you've adjusted to doing them in another, or if you didn't feel like playing Dhasim, or if small combos that don't work in one version work in another, or you don't mind being able to Ground Recover out of Rose's Aura Soul Throw, or you wouldn't notice the difference between activating V-ISM at 50% meter in one version from another etc, then by all means pick up one of the home versions. They're good games. A lot of good extra stuff, though I miss the art from the Saturn/PSX version since I'm stuck with the DC one now. Still better than a lot of other fighters.

Even if you like A3 a lot and are into tournaments and playing the arcade version, console A3 is nice to have around. A lot of character priority is the same (though you can never be 100% without testing it), especially on the Saturn version, and essentially all of the combos work in the main 4 versions (with various elements of timing).

SFZ3 Upper is different. The changes were larger in scale, though it's a decent enough game if you don't already like any other version of A3 a lot. Crouch-canceling is gone, which is as bad or worse than taking out roll cancels in cvS2, throws no longer build meter, more character specific changes (Dee Jay goes from having the projectile with the least recovery time to having the one with the most, tied with Bison), A-ISM builds meter faster, VC activation time i shortened again, etc. But hey, at least scrubs can use Shin Akuma. ...

Why do scrubs love Ken? Seriously. If you were to do a poll of A3 scrubs, it'd be 45% Ken, 25% Akuma, 10% Ryu, and like all other 25 characters in the arcade versionn compressed into 20%

But yeah, anyway... GBA version I know nothing about, but it seems to have crouch cancels in it.

[SlaughterX]

LOL, so you're calling me a scrub, I could give a fuck about all your advanced moves and short combos, because the only thing that will be useful to you are those advanced recory moves. Ken is the shit in Alpha 3, if you're gonna pick someone to be great at in Street Fighter your best choice is either Ken, Ryu or Akuma since they are in every single fucking game (well, Ryu is), and since Ryu sucks dick on Alpha 3, and Evil Ryu isn't shit compared to Shin Akuma, I think I will stick to Ken and New Gouki. And I am good with may other characters, I will kick your ass with Karin, but I prefer to play as Shin Akuma or Ken. and Dhalsim is a fuckin bitch, I could care less about his gay little infinate combo because air recory works and Yoga never tought anyone how to fight, you'd just get your legs put around your head and kicked in the nuts...:lame:

[FlameAngelX]

Totally unrelated... but FUCK!!!

DRAMATIC BATTLE SHOULD BE AVALIBLE IN ANY FUCKING FIGHTING GAME!!!!!

[SaBrE]

no offense slaughter. but you really have no idea what you are talking about...

[Goenitz_196]

The DC version of SFA3 did not have Stereo sound. Even though the options screen says it, it's still in mono. I know cause the PSX and arcade versions had it, which sounded MUCH better.

[Azrael]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
LOL, so you're calling me a scrub, I could give a fuck about all your advanced moves and short combos, because the only thing that will be useful to you are those advanced recory moves. Ken is the shit in Alpha 3, if you're gonna pick someone to be great at in Street Fighter your best choice is either Ken, Ryu or Akuma since they are in every single fucking game (well, Ryu is), and since Ryu sucks dick on Alpha 3, and Evil Ryu isn't shit compared to Shin Akuma, I think I will stick to Ken and New Gouki.

Wow. You just proved his point.

[FighterX]

Originally posted by Goenitz_196
The DC version of SFA3 did not have Stereo sound. Even though the options screen says it, it's still in mono. I know cause the PSX and arcade versions had it, which sounded MUCH better.

I thought something was funny. I've got a killer sound setup, and Saturn/PSX still sounds a hell of a lot better than the DC version. It pisses me off when I get to Sagat's or Guy's Stage, and I can't hear that soundtrack properly.

Thanks for letting me know that it wasn't just me hearing a difference.

Originally posted by Azrael-sama


Wow. You just proved his point.

:lol:

[RaJu_]

Originally posted by Ubersaurus

wasn't the katobbi and the crouch cancels removed too?
no

[SlaughterX]

lol, I'm a scrub and you have that fuckin lame ass robot from Killer Instinct as your avatar, ok let me just disregard everything you have to say from now on, anyway, Sabre, I don't know what I'm talkin about, well you're not tellin me or anyone else and her shit so you're response can be thrown out the window too. And as for the DC version not having stereo, that's not true at all, have stereo on and play it on a mono TV or don't hook up the red or white cable and I guaruntee you won't be hearin the sound effects clearly on one side, as for the PS version sounding better, shit I don't remember, haven't played it in a grip. And for all you bitch ass muthafuckas talkin shit like you're the Master of the Fist or something, you can see my screen name, msg me anytime you want to get dealt with in SFA3 on Kawaks or MAME, gotta wait til thursday though so I can buy me a new controller for the comp, and no bullshit slow ass connections, if you don't have (decent) broadband then don't waste my time...

[fishjie]

Instead of shelling out cash for the game, why not simply play it on emulator? you will get the arcade perfect version. if you want dramatic battle, there's options for cheating that let you turn that on. also you can play online at kailera (sp)

ports should be arcade perfect - as long as there are still arcades alive. the thing, the combo skills you acquire at home should transfer to the arcade, and vice versa. fighting games are fun because of COMPETITION - the computer is a joke. why would you want to learn TWO games for what should be just ONE game? Its fun to play at the arcade and it is fun to play at home - it'd be nice to have the skills transfer from either area of play.

but since sfa3 is pretty much dead from what I can tell, as are fighting games in general, oh well you won't lose anything by purchasing the game. arcades aren't going to be around in 10 years anyway, if even that long.

[Subliminal UK]

SlaughterX, lol dude anyone that plays a3 seriously thinks the DC version is a joke. it's alright for a mess around. thinking you're god tier because you got some bullshit worldtour mode characters is the funniest noob shit i've read in some time. thanks for your comedy opinions.

for all you people that have search diasbled :/

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=31030

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[SlaughterX]

Bitch I wasn't talking about playing anyone with them, I was just letting the fact be know that I made them, and like I said, fuck all your shit talking, look me up and get dealt with online if you think you're so ill...

[Azrael]

Ken isn't that good. V-Ryu is a very good character in A3. And although Ken and Ryu may be in every SF game, they certainly are different in every SF game. So just mastering shotos won't make you a fighting games champ. And in some games they aren't even worth using (MvC2, CvS2 debateably).

No BS.

[SaBrE]

slaughter, now you are really making yourself sound bad. "play me on kaillera" rofl. you serious? why? only scrubs think winning on kaillera means something. dumb stuff wins on kaillera cuz the lag is so bad. its a chore to do simple shit too. playing fighters has gotta be the worst deterrent on who is better. and if you think winning on kaillera is a very good judging grounds to base skill, then you are a retard.

[Drunken Master]

oooh-kay. back to the topic. Please stop replying with hate slaughter. You're not going to convince anybody, just make it worse.


Copy-pasted from the other thread

Dhalsim gets raped
- spirtes on DC are misscaled (oversized or undersaized, afaik)
- invincibility on PS VC activation is tighter. one of the better handicaps i guess.
- Rose's L3 Aura Soul Throw can be escaped by tapping KK (roll) (PS, not sure bout others).
- Guy can FF chain > c.SP xx bushin tombstone in corner (PS, not sure bout others).
- L-ism 99% throw glitches missing
- glitchdriver missing?
- misc Jimmy video glitches missing

they toned down dhalsim :/

some moves have less prioity like guy's slide.

some move inputs are different, ie. karin

VC activation invincibilty is changed

erm..

main problem with it is different timing on VCs, like OTG's are different, etc...some combos have different timing.

I also noticed that the DC version doesn't have stereo sound...even if you set the sound the 'Stereo' in the Options, it still comes out Mono, meaning you won't hear the depth of the music. The PSX version had the full stereo, and so did the arcade...I know cause I have the arcade rom...

X-ryu cannot cancel (interrupt) his axe-kick (Stand. RH) or his far FP into a special move. Evil Ryu can, but not normal Ryu. The PSX version can do this.

Still not very much DC specific stuff.

How are OTG's different? I can still do them. You can still grab them when they're flat. Is it the "bouncing" speed that is different than the arcade?

Still waiting for a VC that doesn't work on DC.. :) Sim GC VC in the corner? But that's all the console versions right?

I'm just curious as to what I'm missing.

TS: which extended crouch cancel enders don't work on DC?

[TS]

It's not that there are a bunch that don't work, it's a timing issue. If all you have to practice on is the DC version, you aren't going to be landing any infinites on the arcade version. The speed difference between the versions seems subtle if you don't play them side by side, or one after the other, but the more you play one version, the more little things tend to pop up.

[FighterX]

So, is there anything different between the Arcade and Saturn versions?

[Ryu1999]

Originally posted by SaBrE
slaughter, now you are really making yourself sound bad. "play me on kaillera" rofl. you serious? why? only scrubs think winning on kaillera means something. dumb stuff wins on kaillera cuz the lag is so bad. its a chore to do simple shit too. playing fighters has gotta be the worst deterrent on who is better. and if you think winning on kaillera is a very good judging grounds to base skill, then you are a retard.

meh, you can tell if someones good in real life from their kalliera displays. since i've been doing the "daigo-method" of 3-tapping i've been getting the wakeups out pretty well and any other crunch-time moments it works too. Also, i know all the "good" people on kalliera, i ain't even heard shit about this scrub, so don't bag on the kal community b/c of this kid :)

[SlaughterX]

OMG I swear you people are all a bunch of idiot shit talkin faggots, first you have the nerve to call someone you don't know a scrub, then you act like you don't even want to challenge me, then some other idiot thinks he knows ALL the good Street Fighter players on the internet, man, get fucking real, bitch I doubt you've been in all the thousands of rooms avilable on Kill, second you don't even know my Kill name, third just because everyone doesn't use the same character as you doesn't mean they suck or they are a scrub or n00b, bitch I have been playing Alpha 3 for a long time (probably about 5 years) so how the fuck am I a n00b? It may not have been as long as some of the people in here but I guaruntee I would get in the ass of about 95% of all you bitch ass shit talkin muthafuckas, and anyway, there is no need to discuss this anymore, like I said, you can find my name easy, msg me and we can arrange something online (and if your game lags then it must be YOUR shitty ass internet connection), if you live around Chicago you can come over and get dealt with personally, but I seriously doubt you want to do that talking as much shit as you do online because you'd most likely get KO in real life in addition to STA3...

[Cheap_Scrub]

Damn an e-thug.:lol:

An e-thug who's never played a game in an arcade or against a human opponent who wasn't on kaillera.

He showed everybody on this thread. I know I'm shaking.:lol:

[FighterX]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
OMG I swear you people are all a bunch of idiot shit talkin faggots, first you have the nerve to call someone you don't know a scrub, then you act like you don't even want to challenge me, then some other idiot thinks he knows ALL the good Street Fighter players on the internet, man, get fucking real, bitch I doubt you've been in all the thousands of rooms avilable on Kill, second you don't even know my Kill name, third just because everyone doesn't use the same character as you doesn't mean they suck or they are a scrub or n00b, bitch I have been playing Alpha 3 for a long time (probably about 5 years) so how the fuck am I a n00b? It may not have been as long as some of the people in here but I guaruntee I would get in the ass of about 95% of all you bitch ass shit talkin muthafuckas, and anyway, there is no need to discuss this anymore, like I said, you can find my name easy, msg me and we can arrange something online (and if your game lags then it must be YOUR shitty ass internet connection), if you live around Chicago you can come over and get dealt with personally, but I seriously doubt you want to do that talking as much shit as you do online because you'd most likely get KO in real life in addition to STA3...

I don't normally get involved in shit like this, but this guy is so stupid, I can't resist.

Let's see. For starters you

1 - insulted someone's playing ability first (" And as for not being able to beat Akuma and Bison at the same time, what kind of Street Fighter are you man") Sound familiar?

2 - You don't give a fuck about the advanced mechanics of the game, or how much something has been tweaked from the original, i.e. what they refer to as SCRUB. You proved your point....to yourself and everyone here. I'm not a tourney-level player myself, but as even I can see, a lot of other things suffered in the translation from Arcade to Home. When you can't do certain combos that you are used to, it really throws off your game.

3 - You tell people to "buy the arcade game, or shut the fuck up and keep playing". If you have nothing constructive to say, don't post in a thread. You came in and threw the first blow, you got called on it.

4 - You throw threats about beating people up IRL. That's really pathetic.

5 - Everytime you open your mouth/post a response, you prove what they are talking about further.

[Ryu1999]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
blablablalbal

sure, i'm game. i'll probably be in either LordofthePit or Tecmobowl tomorrow (2/8) in the late afternoon. please use mame32 0.64. Also, any complaints about zangief/dhalshim/v-ism cheese will be ignored. thanks :)

[SlaughterX]

Fuck all you other shit talkin non-fightin bitches, Retarded Chink, I'll see you sometime after thursdays when I get my check and buy a new comp controller, and Cheap_Scrub, your name says it all, yeah I have never played in an arcade in my entire life, never been to Game Works Vegas or the Dave & Busters here in Chicago, never played anyone offline in SFA3 though I've regulated all compitition I have and make people not want to play, man you know everything don't you, and e-thug? :lol: OK, e just because I have the internet I guess, right...

[Cheap_Scrub]

You've no grasp for the english langague so you couldn't see the iorny, oh well. But you really have to be a soem kind of pussy to try to threaten people on line. C'mon can't you go pester somebody in real life? Thought not.

Oh so you visited GameWorks on your little family vacation? Cute. I'm really suprised you're not the most well known player in the states seeing as how well you say you've done in competition.

I'm still shaking in fear faggot. Your gay little theats leave me paralized. Yeah your a-ken would own me (shoto's are the best in every capcom game that's why they're there, not cause they're scrub freindly).

You're a joke. Please die in quick fashion.

[MechZZ]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
blah balh


i think we have a new master akuma...

[SlaughterX]

Man why I bother replyin to you pussies, I still wonder, but you're not one to talk about someone not using the english properly, look at your post, and anyway all I have to say is fuck you, you really think you're the shit but I still haven't got a challenge from you so like I said early, shut the fuck up, and I bet you get your ass kicked a lot IN REAL LIFE and in Street Fighter, must really suck for you... :(

[D-Force]

Geez, Slaughter, who pissed in your corn flakes this morning? Calm the fuck down, will you. Sure you don't agree with what they're saying, but that's no reason to get bent out of shape. Besides, it's only a game, no need to make things bigger than what they already are.

Have a nice day! :)

[FighterX]

Okay, back on track:

"Are there any differences between the Saturn Alpha 3 and the Arcade Alpha 3 Upper?"

[Kuro]

Originally posted by ShinShotokan


That still doesn't equal beating them :P

Wait.. what happends even if you manage to beat them?

This is getting off topic...

You don't get anything, I don't think.Just a credit screen, telling you you completed Quest mode. I think (not too sure, though) that's the end of the road for that character. You can't go back through it again and gain experience.

[ShinShotokan]

Man people are real conservative here about their shit...

I do understand a bit about people complaining that Alpha 3 for the DC has a different default speed setting then the arcade, ut all the wineing about the glitches being fixed... GIMME a FRIGGIN BREAK.

I think it's good that the glitches are fixed in the DC version of the game.
I think that it's good that the L-ISM throwglicth is fixed.
I think it's good that Dhalsim got toned down a bit.

I really don't see the problem in it at all.

People shouldn't be judgeing this game and mashing the game like this.

If Capcom released another edition of MvC2 with Magnetos speed toned down, Sentinels Unblockable removed and Cables AVHB cheapness removed, would you guys go all complaining about that as well???

[blackadde]

Yes, because big Marvel tourneys aren't held on consoles.

[Don Mack]

Why does this Arcade perfect stuff even matter? Shit im happy if they fixed some balance issues and added more characters. How many people even go to video game tournaments, only a handful. I don't think Capcom is worried about a handful of gamers when theres a much bigger demand from the general population and complaints. I used to go to game tournaments, then i just got sick of them because most of the people there were a little too fanatical about video games to me.

[kane_warhead]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
LOL, so you're calling me a scrub, I could give a fuck about all your advanced moves and short combos, because the only thing that will be useful to you are those advanced recory moves. Ken is the shit in Alpha 3, if you're gonna pick someone to be great at in Street Fighter your best choice is either Ken, Ryu or Akuma since they are in every single fucking game (well, Ryu is), and since Ryu sucks dick on Alpha 3, and Evil Ryu isn't shit compared to Shin Akuma, I think I will stick to Ken and New Gouki. And I am good with may other characters, I will kick your ass with Karin, but I prefer to play as Shin Akuma or Ken. and Dhalsim is a fuckin bitch, I could care less about his gay little infinate combo because air recory works and Yoga never tought anyone how to fight, you'd just get your legs put around your head and kicked in the nuts...:lame:

:wtf:

Do you know Master Akuma?

Hell, I rarely play Alpha 3 and I know more shit than you.

[Icege]

Originally posted by Subliminal UK
for all you people that have search diasbled :/

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=31030

sub

Thank you for actually answering the question :)

[Ubersaurus]

Originally posted by Don Mack
Why does this Arcade perfect stuff even matter? Shit im happy if they fixed some balance issues and added more characters. How many people even go to video game tournaments, only a handful. I don't think Capcom is worried about a handful of gamers when theres a much bigger demand from the general population and complaints. I used to go to game tournaments, then i just got sick of them because most of the people there were a little too fanatical about video games to me.

This is a competitive gaming site. Expect people to want to play on arcades, in tourneys, and trying to win.

[Drunken Master]

Originally posted by TS
It's not that there are a bunch that don't work, it's a timing issue. If all you have to practice on is the DC version, you aren't going to be landing any infinites on the arcade version. The speed difference between the versions seems subtle if you don't play them side by side, or one after the other, but the more you play one version, the more little things tend to pop up.

Ok, so they all work. But the timing is different than the arcade?

[ShinShotokan]

Originally posted by Ubersaurus
This is a competitive gaming site. Expect people to want to play on arcades, in tourneys, and trying to win.

Not all people in here are cometitive gamefreaks whos only elitist beliefs is to win using glitches, cheap unpunishable specials, infinite combos and overpowered glitched characters.

The Arcade edition of SFA3 has glitches that has been fixed for the DC.
How the hell could that be wrong in any way?

[blackadde]

Please do tell of your ethical way of winning.

[Drunken Master]

"Not all people in here are cometitive gamefreaks whos only elitist beliefs is to win using glitches, cheap unpunishable specials, infinite combos and overpowered glitched characters.

The Arcade edition of SFA3 has glitches that has been fixed for the DC.
How the hell could that be wrong in any way?"

This isn't going to get your anywhere.

1st, you're insulting. This thread has already been ruined by that crap that really NO ONE cares about.

2nd, you wrong. The infinties are still in the console versions, as are some of the glitches, overpowered characters ('xept Sim who was changed it seems)

3rd. Pointless question. I'm sure you KNOW the answer. I do.

"We play it in an arcade, so it matters to us. We even play for money, so it is important for our practice version to be as accurate as possible".

That's it. I do agree that for people without the option of the arcade play, and the casual player, it doesn't really matter. Most everything still works on the console, people need to stop the hate. But the reasons for arcade perfection are still there.

So the only thing that's going to come out of your post is another back-and-forth example of E-bitching that has been done to death in this thread, over the years about console A3, and on SRK in general.

:D

[DVS1]

Originally posted by ShinShotokan


Not all people in here are cometitive gamefreaks whos only elitist beliefs is to win using glitches, cheap unpunishable specials, infinite combos and overpowered glitched characters.

The Arcade edition of SFA3 has glitches that has been fixed for the DC.
How the hell could that be wrong in any way?

They wern't fixed. ...and that's already been said. Do'h =P

[SlaughterX]

kane_warhead, I wasn't talking about "Master Akuma" as a character, I was tlaking about a "Master" Akuma meaning level 32, so appearently you don't know shit, dumb fuck.

[Muskau]

Basically SFA3 for DC was the development version of SFA3 Upper for Arcade, moves, animation and priorities changed and characters were added.

Most players think the DC version sucks because it doesn't behave exactly like the arcade version of SFA3, and doesn't play exactly like the arcade version of SFA3 Upper, it's halfway between. A bastard child of sorts... :lol:

[SlaughterX]

But it doesn't change the fact that it's a great game, regardless...

[fishjie]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
kane_warhead, I wasn't talking about "Master Akuma" as a character, I was tlaking about a "Master" Akuma meaning level 32, so appearently you don't know shit, dumb fuck.

and he's not talking about master akuma as a character either, he's talking about a person who posts here

[FighterX]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
But it doesn't change the fact that it's a great game, regardless...

First thing you've said that I can agree with.

[kane_warhead]

Originally posted by ShinShotokan


Not all people in here are cometitive gamefreaks whos only elitist beliefs is to win using glitches, cheap unpunishable specials, infinite combos and overpowered glitched characters.

The Arcade edition of SFA3 has glitches that has been fixed for the DC.
How the hell could that be wrong in any way?

Because it makes console not viable for tournament. It's like practicing Shin Takuma(SVC) for the console all your life(You don't use anyone else), then found yourself not being able to play in the arcades because SHin Takuma isn't playable.

The changes are good if it were implemented after a month of having SFA3 released because it's still relatively new and people can still adapt, but when the game is released so many years after the original has been released.... People wouldn't want to play it anymore.

SFA3 on the DC would have been accepted if it was made into SFA4 on the arcades... People will always play new games I guess.

SFA3 on DC is a great game for people who aren't competitive or just enjoy playing games.... But it's not a good game for people who have been entering SFA3 tournament for years.

[kane_warhead]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
kane_warhead, I wasn't talking about "Master Akuma" as a character, I was tlaking about a "Master" Akuma meaning level 32, so appearently you don't know shit, dumb fuck.

You call me a dumb shit when in fact I spell better than you. Go back to grade school apparently you're not yet ready for real world.

P.S.
If you read it correctly, you would know that I was talking about Master Akuma, a poster as retarded as you are. Maybe you'll find his combo videos good.

[Cheap_Scrub]

Originally posted by kane_warhead
You call me a dumb shit when in fact I spell better than you. Go back to grade school apparently you're not yet ready for real world.

P.S.
If you read it correctly, you would know that I was talking about Master Akuma, a poster as retarded as you are. Maybe you'll find his combo videos good. Yeah he's one dumb 8-year-old shit. He must like to vent after getting his ass kicked for his lunch money.:lol:

[Shuyin]

this shit is ridiculous, why dont you all go mod your xbox and play sfa3 on there or get a mame cabinet and play sfa3 there, which are all arcade perfect. dc version just sucks period, as does the PSX one, i havent played the Saturn one but i wouldnt want to cause i have arcade-perfect gameplay on Kawa-X/FBAX.

this is the simple fact that i dont play alpha3 anymore because of the huge differences in the arcade and the home console versions. i would sit at home and practice for hours and hours on V-Combos and stuff like that but only to find out when i go to the arcade, i suddenly find everything is faster, more fluid and most important of all, the gameplay which changes cause 'fixes' like Dhalsim's speed totally catch me off guard. after playing the arcade version, i cant go back to playing the console. it just sucks.

[FighterX]

Originally posted by Drunken Master
That's it. I do agree that for people without the option of the arcade play, and the casual player, it doesn't really matter. Most everything still works on the console, people need to stop the hate. But the reasons for arcade perfection are still there.

So the only thing that's going to come out of your post is another back-and-forth example of E-bitching that has been done to death in this thread, over the years about console A3, and on SRK in general.

:D

Truth, DM.

Let's drop the e-beef and get back to the question at hand. If you guys want to trade insults, you can do it via PM. Argue over who has the bigger e-penis and spelling errors there.

You've just gotta learn to let shit go, guys. Let's get back on track. ;)

[SlaughterX]

Fpr those bitches still talkin shit but chose to ignore the fact that they could play me if they wanted, fuck you, I have never got my ass kicked in my life and I have been in many fights so if you really think I'm a punk and etc etc etc and you're ever in the Chicagoland area just drop me a line, and I'm not talkin about fuckin Street Fighter...

[SaBrE]

slaughter: i know you read my other post, so why are you still talking? and now you are trying to invoke physical violence. you want to be peaced out or something? do you not get it?

[kane_warhead]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
Fpr those bitches still talkin shit but chose to ignore the fact that they could play me if they wanted, fuck you, I have never got my ass kicked in my life and I have been in many fights so if you really think I'm a punk and etc etc etc and you're ever in the Chicagoland area just drop me a line, and I'm not talkin about fuckin Street Fighter...


Yeah, I'm shaking in my pants right now.

Don't hurt me. :lol:

Dude, you want to beat people up because you don't know shit in a game. Isn't that retarded? :lol:

[MechZZ]

geez slaughter

it's a game... stop crying over spilt milk

[SlaughterX]

No it's just funny that you guys talk mad shit about how tight you are in SFA3 but are to scared to actually play someone, that's funny :lol:

[DVS1]

Some of these people will be at Evolution. Why not represent the kaillera players and bring your game to the tournamet?

[kane_warhead]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
No it's just funny that you guys talk mad shit about how tight you are in SFA3 but are to scared to actually play someone, that's funny :lol:

No, what funny is you making grave threats over the internet, because you don't have anything smart to say.

Seriously, your list of vocabulary are: shit, ass, fuck, me, bitch.

Try expanding it and maybe people will try to not laugh at you.

I bet you're gonna reply with "I'll kick your ass in real life".

P.S.
I didn't say I'm good at Alpha 3... Just said, that I know more than you do(I rarely play Alpha 3 as in rarely)... And how would people play you when you haven't touch a single arcade in your whole life.

[Kuro]

Originally posted by master pussy
No it's just funny that you guys talk mad shit about how tight you are in SFA3 but are to scared to actually play someone, that's funny :lol:

Shut up.

[Eckostyle]

All I can say is that the home ports of SFA3, while not not arcade perfect, are pretty much meant for the type of fighter that does not have enough access to an arcade(like me, who visits arcades about once/twice a month), or plays casually. If you are a very competitve player about the game, then your best bet is to emulate the game and buy a home stick.

I have to admit though, some of the differences in between the console and arcade can seriously screw you up. I can usually pull of Sharlie's V-Ism in the middle of the arena no problem in SFA3 arcade, but on the DC and PSX, I cant seem to juggle the "victim" all the way to the edge of the stage to finish off the combo, and if I run out of V-ism at the right time, keep juggling.

Still, differences aside, its still a great game.

I'll post more later.

[SlaughterX]

Fine, if insulting you bastards with an extended vocabulary will make you feel better then please, allow to tell you why you are such cowardly feminine drag queens with peach fuzz on the side of your extremely small scrotums. What in the first place makes you think the knowledge you posses of Street Fighter Alpha 3 surpasses my own, how would you know that "I have never touched an arcade in my life", how would you know anything about me or my skills just from what I am posting here? You can not, but I offer you all a challenge, a realistic way of actually playing me, yet all I get in return are more harsh exchanges of words. The truth is, I hardly play at arcades, that's not saying I have never played at an arcade, it is just that I do not waste hundreds of dollars on arcade games that I own for a home console that is equally good, all my friends play the home version so we do not have a problem with the small difference if cheap V-Ism combos most arcade players perform. The truth is, through all the moaning and groaning about how the Dreamcast version isn't arcade perfect and doesn't offer you real practice for tournament play, you would still get beaten to a bloody pile of vomit and sweat, because there is no way in hell all of the people complaining here are top tier in the arcade tournaments (and don't blame it on constant practice on the DC version, blame on your "skills", or lack of such skills), there is a better chance of Micheal Jackson getting congratial visits from little boys in jail, so until I see someone with a confirmed picture of them holding a trophie telling me to "Shut the fuck up", I will continue to post these messages here, or until someone really kicks my ass online, either one will do. So in conclusion, I would just liek to say FUCK all of the people talking shit here like I am some n00b scrub that just got the game, and have a nice day! :)

[Drunken Master]

Thanks guys.

I actually wanted to learn something about the DC version of A3. But you keep feeding the animals.

SlaughterX. While you may believe that Ken rules, and blah blah blah. It simply isn't true. Go download some japanese A3 tourney matches or something. V-ism OWNS. Akuma/Ryu are better than Ken. It is a FACT.

Shitting on people doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like an ignorant ass. Please stop. You're just ruining things for everyone else.

[Subliminal UK]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
... so until I see someone with a confirmed picture of them holding a trophie telling me to "Shut the fuck up", I will continue to post these messages here....

lol at my l33t photoshop skills. anyways time to be quiet your getting what you want. check the pic.

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[Shin Akuma]

Is it possible to preform CrouchCancellingInfinites on the console versions...?

[Senethro]

SlaughterX, prove you know your shit by taking a guess at the best 8 or 10 characters in the game and what ism they're best in.
Also, tell us what you think of Zangief.

And can someone link him to the Acho vids? They're unbelievably tight shit.

Shin Akuma: I've seen someone CCed by Ryu on the PS version. I'd only heard of it and couldn't believe you can get 50+ hits from that kind of shit.

[Ryu1999]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
all my friends play the home version so we do not have a problem with the small difference if cheap V-Ism combos most arcade players perform.

Originally posted by SlaughterX
so until I see someone with a confirmed picture of them holding a trophie telling me to "Shut the fuck up", I will continue to post these messages here, or until someone really kicks my ass online, either one will do.

so basically, you're telling us, we have to beat you at your own rules. so basically i'm not allowed to use V-ism when i play you this thursday. i'm also going to assume i'm not allowed to throw, jump, walk forward, or do any combo besides cr. short x3.

:lol:

that's ok, i'll just use Big Z on you. this is how i predict the conversation will go:

"zangief is the cheapness!!11 you couldn't beat me with a-ryu!"

(10 minutes later): "you coudln't beat me with r. mika!!!"

(2 minutes later): "Player 2 SlaughterX has left the game"

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Senethro
And can someone link him to the Acho vids? They're unbelievably tight shit.

http://www.mfr.jp/acho/movie16.htm

Slaughter X, seriously, just do yourself a favor, and be quiet. Every post you make is full of garbage, you totally DO NOT get your point(whatever the hell it is) across, and you are making yourself look like a dumbass. Puberty must be doing a number on you, because you obviously dont know how to talk to people without pissing them off by trying to make yourself big. You should be glad someone like SA.M hasnt touched this yet. Post something when you have something useful to add to this, which I really cant see you doing at this point.

Also, for the record, Kaillera wins are NOTHING unless you are playing against someone who is a block or two away from you and have zero lag. Lag can seriously screw up the game(missed blocks, badly timed AC's, screwed up basic and custom combos, list goes on), so it's something you cant base your skill on. Most of the people I have beaten on Kaillera I am more than sure can give me one hell of an ass whipping in real life, and I'm sure many others can relate.

[Cheap_Scrub]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
The truth is, I hardly play at arcades, that's not saying I have never played at an arcade, it is just that I do not waste hundreds of dollars on arcade games that I own for a home console that is equally good, all my friends play the home version so we do not have a problem with the small difference if cheap V-Ism combos most arcade players perform. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Damn, you mean he doesn't get out to the arcades? You mean he has no idea of what actual competition fot theses games is? The shock and suprise.:lol:

Yeah V-isms are cheap and I'm sure someone as good as you doesn't need to use them.:lol:

You and both of your friends who spend your days indoors suck at the game. It's obvious just like it's obvious you don't play at arcades.

Of your belief that everyone is terrified of you, why don't you come down to L.A. you pussy?

[Hilly is Wicked]

woaah!! peeps definatley got sticks up ya asses!!! People who try to sound intelligent and conservative when trying to diss someone whos swearing a lot have got serious issues but thats going off topic.. anyway,,

DC version is different not worse. Just different timing issues. (But i think it says something about how robotic everyone plays if ya cant adjust, its really not that hard!!!)

Dhalsim is more fun to play with and against on DC(same people moaned when Gulie got toned down after world warrior). in arcade he WAS too strong for what he is... but just readjust!!! OMG his kick goes through a standin player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That will take years to years to get used to.... lets boycott it!!!! Fucking hell... be more old fashioned!!!!!!!!(seriously, if you cant remember to not use it next to someone standing then god help ya in all aspects of life!!!)



Ive got alpha on me pc and the DC and play both a lot and it honestly doesnt take too much dexterity to relearn!!(and i am THAT good at both)

i cant believe this is even a topic and how xenophobic peeps are to the minor alterations. i think that shows you just how good you all are if ya that bothered.

I understand that tourney players want to practise a lot on the same version(arcade original) and that playin for cash has real incentives but it is no resaon to decry the home ports! its just plain embarrising to read some of these posts!!

ps. and kalleira is more to do with different controllers being used that make matches uneven. Different usb convertors etc.. gimme arcade style stick anyday!!!! but how else you gona play other peple round the world or continent??? i know ive got shit to do and drink to consume!!!

Oh yeah... subliminal uk.... that might be funny (im not sure how to take that pic) but i cant believe you took the time to do that!!!!!!!! weirdo...
just like i cant believe i took so long writing this post......

[Kuro]

Originally posted by Eckostyle


http://www.mfr.jp/acho/movie16.htm



Ah....shoot.. Were those ST matches already posted and removed?

[Hilly is Wicked]

Jesus holy mother of god!!! Well ill be a monkeys unkle!!!!!i posted something on shoryuken!!!!!!!!!! Im such a loser....... fuck sake im so embarrised I was(am) kinda drunk so i least i got an excuse... i just read a post by the moderator moaning at someone.. then that someone kept bitchin and some fucking geek went( wow. you kept going on, even tho a mod told you off!) Jesus christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You horrific nerd!!!! 'listen to teacher or your bad'.. I cant believe i posted a thread.... this is the worst thing ever... im too good at SF to be mingling with dullards like you lot!!!!!!!!!! Its funny just anihilating whoever i play in real life!!!!!!! Anyone who talks bout perfecting crouching combos or OTGs is shit.. i do some crazy stuff and i dont care what the terms used are!!! .. and i still dont know what your all on about!!!!!!!!!!! morons!!!!!!!!!

SHORYUKEN= these were my only posts.... BYE scumbags!!!!!!!!!!

ugh..... i feel so dirty!!!!!!!!!

[Subliminal UK]

Originally posted by Hilly is Wicked
Oh yeah... subliminal uk.... that might be funny (im not sure how to take that pic) but i cant believe you took the time to do that!!!!!!!! weirdo...
just like i cant believe i took so long writing this post......

took me less than 5 mins and if it amuses someone its done its job. your post took longer prolly.

anyways, i'm not one for shit talking. noticed you're in derby, you going to come to http://www.ullysis.com/ ??

sub

[SH!T]

Originally posted by Subliminal UK


lol at my l33t photoshop skills. anyways time to be quiet your getting what you want. check the pic.

sub

This is what i won in the last tourny i was in....!

Believe me when i say this was enjoyable as it looks. The sweet taste.......

....of victory! ahhh yesssssss.

[Azrael]

Originally posted by Shin Akuma
Is it possible to preform CrouchCancellingInfinites on the console versions...?

Yes. They're still there, but the timing may be a little different.

Like I said before, the game is still fundamentally A3. But there are enough little tweaks and checks between DC and arcade to make the DC version not suitable for tourney practice.

Slaughter - I haven't bothered with your challenge because you're in Chicago, right? The lag would be pretty pathetic.

[SlaughterX]

lol, so you haven't won a tournament since 96, daaaaaamn, I guess SFA3 is pretty old but god damn, I guess you must have lost your "touch" or something, and I don't meaning the touch you use on yourself... :lol:

[kane_warhead]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
lol, so you haven't won a tournament since 96, daaaaaamn, I guess SFA3 is pretty old but god damn, I guess you must have lost your "touch" or something, and I don't meaning the touch you use on yourself... :lol:

Sad....


Hey, atleast he won a tournament, unlike you. Maybe you're just a loser for the rest of your life. Mocking people who win a lot in life.

That is so sad. Makes me realize that you swear alot because all your life, you always lose.

Sucks to be you.

[SlaughterX]

Even if that was true, at least I'll never be as lame or pathetic as you, what are you gonna do for "your girl" on Valentine's Day, leave some flowers on her door step, aww, aren't you a sweet little stalker....

[Saotome Kaneda]

Okay kids, that's enough.

Close this stupid fucking thread. Argument's over and for some reason the trolls are unusually hungry.

[kane_warhead]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
Even if that was true, at least I'll never be as lame or pathetic as you, what are you gonna do for "your girl" on Valentine's Day, leave some flowers on her door step, aww, aren't you a sweet little stalker....

Nah, I'll have sex with her.

and after all your bitch talk... It still sucks to be you.

[Drunken Master]

PLEASE CLOSE THIS

[SaBrE]

slaughter, just to shut you up. ill play you on kaillera, even if you are far as hell from me. we'll play on kawaks, i dont like mame32k. i suck at the game and suck even more online. if you are any good, i should be an easy win... since you wont stfu by me warning you with a perm ban, i figure i would have some fun. so cmon, what do you say?

[SH!T]

jesus christ..............nerd

[Subliminal UK]

Originally posted by SH!T
jesus christ..............nerd

telling people they're nerds on a fighting game forum? lol no shit.

nothing wrong with being a nerd pal.

was reading about optical silicon today. fuck binary it's all about fibre optic tri-state and quad state semi-conductors.

sub

[Cheap_Scrub]

Originally posted by Subliminal UK
telling people they're nerds on a fighting game forum? lol no shit.

nothing wrong with being a nerd pal.

was reading about optical silicon today. fuck binary it's all about fibre optic tri-state and quad state semi-conductors.

sub Yeah but a lot of fellas here feel the thread should be closed anyway.

[SaBrE]

eh, ill close it when i get a response from this dude

[danomyte]

well i played A3 at my friends and the hit dection is almost as bad as SVC gayos....

kinda hard to play this game after 3s and CVS2:(

[SlaughterX]

Alpha 3 kills all Versus games, and sure I will play you as soon as I get another controller, I'll PM you when I do, now close this gay ass thred because there is no reason to ask why SFA3 sucks on Dreamcast when it doesn't, and fuck everyone here that is weak and has the nerve to talk shit to me, you can all suck your joysticks like dicks until the ball comes off and chokes you.

[SaBrE]

okay, how the fuck you get the nerve to talk massive ammounts of shit and call people out for challenges on shitty ass kaillera and now you gotta have an excuse for not having a pad. typical scrub talk.

scrubs are so funny. they follow the same pattern.

"i own all of you, let me prove it on kaillera." thats gotta be the #1 scrub phrase.

or after they get challenged on their own grounds

"i would whoop your ass but i dont have a stick or pad at the moment"

good lord.

talking all that shit and you issue challenges that you cant even do. thats funny. you crack me up

[Kuro]

Have you seen V-Shotos in action, SlaughterX?

They own in V-ism. The only character that's actually better on A-ism over V is maybe Guy. (But, I could be mistaken..)

[SaBrE]

theres a lot of characters better in A, than V. best character in the game is best in A(sim). gen, guy, rog, and sim off the top of my list as being better in A. all those characters, minus sim, are extra shitty in V, especially rog. A-chun works better than v-chun. lots of good characters in A...

[Azrael]

I like A-Karin. V-Karin is probably better, and I did spend some time trying to learn her V-combos and set-ups, but A is what I got used to and its what I'm the most comfortable with. And I like the Gurinken -> super guessing game...usually I can bait people into activating their VC's by hitting the Gurinken...they think I'm going to super, so they activate, but I don't and they waste meter. Unless its Akuma, when activating is almost never a bad idea.

I may go back to trying to switch to V-Karin though. Her VC fuckin hurts.

[SH!T]

ill play someone on kaiellra.....i played a couple of u before.....sub, i know iv played u! bring it on.....

[Subliminal UK]

Originally posted by SH!T
ill play someone on kaiellra.....i played a couple of u before.....sub, i know iv played u! bring it on.....

What nick do you go by and what characters do you use? and what happened when we played?

I'm not playing online atm, don't want anything to fuck up my timing in preperation for abs2k4.

might make an exception for 5 games though. and you should keep this kind of shit in PMs in futute ^^

sub

[SlaughterX]

Ok I got SFZ3 on Saturn today and I have to say it is still hard to choose which one is really better, here's how they add up...

Street Fighter Alpha 3 on Dreamcast:

Cheaper!
Faster Loading
Dramatic Battle
In-Game Move List
American, Nothing Else Needed To Play
Jump Pack Compatible (is this actually good for this game?)
Some Online Features (Japan had an online version, different)

Street Fighter Zero 3 on Saturn:

World Tour is "Deeper"
Better (original) Controller
Sound Is Better (whoever said that was right, I have no idea why)
Character Images During Loading
More Arcade Perfect (so they say)

The same goes for the PS version, but then you have to deduct points because it loads longer and it has been cut down a bit from the arcade, and the controller is better then then the DC one but not the SS pad.

So it all breaks down to this, if you're really into heavy arcade compitition and can't afford the actual arcade then get a stick for your comp and find the ROM, but if you must play it on your TV then go with the SS version if you have the extra money to spend for it. If you're a regular Street Fighter then I suggest you just get the DC version, and if you like a little arcade feel go ahead and spend the extra money on the agetec stick. No matter what version you get though, they are all good (except for maybe the GBA version but I haven't played it (nor do I want to) so I can't really say for sure).

P.S. I am not a n00b, scrub, or anything like that, I am a hardcore gamer, might not be the best SF player but I think I'm damn good, there is no need to arguee, no need to reply, I got my tax check today so if anyone wants to test me just look up one of my screen names on my pro and drop me a msg and I would be delighted to play whoever, as long as you have a decent connection (anything broadband), PEACE.

[AMinorThreat]

You live near Chicago... how bout going to midwest championship in June and play some people there. Then you will learn where you stand in a non scrubbed out*cough*Kaillera*cough* enviroment.

[Muskau]

No one is saying that the other version of SFA3 are bad BY THEMSELVES. The only problem with the different Console ports and the poorly distributed Upper, is that there must be a standardised version of SFA3 so everyone can play on an equal footing.

Most players agree that SFA3 for Arcade should be that standard.

Now the problem for me is, what about the different release date versions of the arcade board? What are the differences between them?

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
P.S. I am not a n00b, scrub, or anything like that, I am a hardcore gamer, might not be the best SF player but I think I'm damn good, there is no need to arguee, no need to reply, I got my tax check today so if anyone wants to test me just look up one of my screen names on my pro and drop me a msg and I would be delighted to play whoever, as long as you have a decent connection (anything broadband), PEACE.


Seriously, Kaillera wins are nothing. Even the most miniscule lag can do screwy things. Me and I'm pretty sure a whole lot more others know people that they beat on Kaillera can give them a huge ass-kicking in an arcade, and vice versa.

[BBCampbell]

Originally posted by ShinShotokan
If Capcom released another edition of MvC2 with Magnetos speed toned down, Sentinels Unblockable removed and Cables AVHB cheapness removed, would you guys go all complaining about that as well???

Fuck yes, we would. Have you ever played anyone in the arcade? That's exactly what 97% of play is. I don't even play Mags or Sent, but I'd be pissed if they took that out.

The fact of the matter is that MvC2 is so unbalanced, it's actually balanced. It's like that one episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns catches some disease. He actually has millions of diseases in his body, but there's so many that none of them actually affect him. If one is cured, he dies.

BTW, reading through the thread.

[BBCampbell]

SlaughterX is a ***. I like his av though.

BTW, I never noticed that SFA3 was different on PSX and in the arcade. Well, I did, but I couldn't put my finger on exactly what though. No wonder I got better at the game when I stopped playing it at home. I thought I just sucked...

[KENSHIIN-HIMURA]

i have it for da DC and i think its a good game. the only beef i have with the DC version is the DC controller. but if u set the controlls to your likeing like i did then you can probally do a lot better.

[SlaughterX]

Originally posted by BBCampbell
SlaughterX is a ***. I like his av though.

BTW, I never noticed that SFA3 was different on PSX and in the arcade. Well, I did, but I couldn't put my finger on exactly what though. No wonder I got better at the game when I stopped playing it at home. I thought I just sucked...

Bitch you do suck, who are you to say anything about me, fuckin faggot...

[FighterX]

I can't believe you guys are still at this!! :lol: :lame:

[Ryu1999]

Originally posted by SlaughterX


Bitch you do suck, who are you to say anything about me, fuckin faggot...

Still waiting to play you on Kal, what times are you on or is your control pad still "broken"

[SlaughterX]

LOL, it doesn't just fix itself, I went to best buy a few weeks ago but their selection of controllers is horrible so I will probably just buy one of those converters that lets you use a SS/DC or PS pad on comp online within the next week, looking forward to raping you :D

[SlaughterX]

Got my Joy Box today, anyone wanna play a game msg me on AIM.

[KING]

CL0SE THIS FUCKING THREAD ALREADY!:mad:

[dookeh]

:lol:
good matches



































:lame:

[SlaughterX]

Fuck Cammy, anyway, I gotta give it to Ryu, he won the majority, but I still won some damn it!

[dookeh]

you actually won a match against him?

[Ryu1999]

Originally posted by SlaughterX
Fuck Cammy, anyway, I gotta give it to Ryu, he won the majority, but I still won some damn it!

split games for the first 3 (I was using A-Bison, A-Birdie, A-Sim). After that, ran a 10-streak on him with V-Sagat. Which promptly brought out hte "V-ism is cheap" argument etc etc. Slaughter has a lot to learn: namely, don't try meaty sweeping every single time. I figured you were going to stop it or mix it up after I woke-up tiger uppercutted almost every single time...

Everyone starts out as a beginner, just don't let the "scrub mentatlity" of cheapness hold you back from progressing

[SlaughterX]

Set the time and I will try to be there.

[Muskau]

Just decided to play SFA3 on DC for a lengthy amount of time, heaps of things are different, and not just Dhalsim. I think all the characters in DC SFA3 have had priority changes in order to balance them out, for example Bison Scissor Kick beats Dans Gale kick every time on Arcade, but on DC, Dan wins the exchange or its a trade.

Plus other smaller things like spacing between multiple hit moves, although that may actually be the game speed. I think these things further support the theory that DC SFA3 is actually an Upper Beta of sorts.

Also a change in the AI patterns of the characters eg. Guy stays on the ground unless you jump on Arcade, while in DC he'll actually jump/elbow drop by himself.

Also one last thing, a glitch of some sort, finish the game with M.Bison(Vega) on DC, and you get the graphics for Bison's ending, but you get the text from Birdie's ending... weeeird. :confused:

[THChardcore]

Back when I started college I would play Soul Calibur at a pretty high competitive level against an awesome Kilik/Astroth player. However, some guy who was okay would just catch us in some ultra cheap Maxi chain shit and... we'de get super pissed. It wasn't our fault (I was a pretty good Nightmare) but I practiced like hell and eventually found some way to break that bullshit. Now it's happening all over again in SC2 with Cervantes. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if a game has some reatrded balance issues or some cheap ass glitch exploitation (MvC2) and dedicating your life to mastering that shit isn't your main objective in life, then that game being fixed of in any way is a plus. Yes, SFA3 on DC is dissapointing, but coming from someone who owns the saturn version, I'de much rather have the DC version than nothing.

So, everyone just chill out. I play a mean ass game of ST with Chun li but I don't scream crazziness over some minor differences between the DC version and arcade. I'm a scrub at a lot of shit (But not ST :) ) but go easy on those who aren't quite as dedicated as the hardcore. Peace

[Muskau]

The only reason people are annoyed by the SFA3 versions is because there are no 'near arcade perfect' ports to easily bring to a console tournament. ST and even the DC 3S ports are more true to their arcade counterparts than SFA3 is. This is mostly due to SFA3 having attack speed and priority changes across the board which change the character tiers around a bit, and VC invincibility and timing issues.

Nobody is saying they are bad games, but everyone needs to have a standardised version to play on. If SFA3 for DC became the standard then there would be no problem for console practice and tourneys, but Arcade is the standard currently.

[Dark Geese]

Fuck all you other shit talkin non-fightin bitches, Retarded Chink, I'll see you sometime after thursdays when I get my check and buy a new comp controller, and Cheap_Scrub, your name says it all, yeah I have never played in an arcade in my entire life, never been to Game Works Vegas or the Dave & Busters here in Chicago, never played anyone offline in SFA3 though I've regulated all compitition I have and make people not want to play, man you know everything don't you, and e-thug? :lol: OK, e just because I have the internet I guess, right...
Dude, do your research on the game and then try to defend yourself, they have a valid point, just from how you are talking we can tell you dont know the intrancies of the game. Saying Ryu sucks is like saying Magneto sucks in MVC2. If anyone said that they would be labeled a scrub. Thats just how it works man. V-Ryu is top tier, so is V-Sak, Sim, V-Akuma, V-Gief. V-Ken is not top tier. Karin is second tier at best even with her CC infinite. Thats all we are saying man, nothing more. :karate:

[SaBrE]

uh reviving a dead thread from over a year ago and responding? heh okaaay

[DaDesiCanadian]

I just read this thread, and SlaughterX makes me remember why the internet and Kaillera sucks.

[The Chef]

Well I'm pleased to see a thread that actually goes into the reasons why console A3 is different/sucks, even if it is old.
Whenever you ask anyone about console A3 most ppl just give vague answers about it sucking.


The copy/paste thing on the first page was pretty neat.
I just have a couple of things to add about the DC version.

You can KKK roll Rose's Lv3 super all the time on DC version. I found you can only roll sometimes on psx version (maybe if they are high up or something?), and not at all on arcade version.

Ryu's fireballs are un-DPable on DC version. You cannot DP through them!
You can DP through Ken and Akuma's FBs. You can only DP through Ryu's on the other versions.

Guy slide kick (d+roundhouse) has less priority on DC version, I generally found.

Of course it's obvious that DC version has smaller sprites. In fact, ALL capcom fighting games on DC have smaller sprites than arcade/psx (even ST), but it's most noticable on DC A3.

Anyway technically the console versions of A3 are good games in their own right, in fact I'd say they are BETTER than the arcade.
V-ism is raped!! Sim is raped!! OMG you guys should be rejoicing! Those two things pretty much ruled arcade A3, and toning them down makes the game a LOT more balanced!
(However I contend that V-ism is STILL the best ism, and A-Dhalsim is still just about up there with the top5 or top8 characters, even with the rapings)
And people complaining about game-breaking glitches (e.g. blue screen of death) missing in all but the arcade/saturn versions? madness...

However, it's just not being faithful to the arcade that's the problem. And arcade A3 is the measuring stick, at least in Japan and anywhere else that has arcades.
If you have access to arcades and tournies then I understand the hate for console A3.
But damn, a lot of you people are HAPPY to play A3 online with like 50ms lag, that just tells me that arcade is just not an option in a lot of locations lol
My point is, if you're willing to make a sacrifice like that, there's no reason not to play console A3 with NO lag if you have comp close by! :)


Oh yeah, X-Ryu's far standing fierce and close standing roundhouse is only cancellable in psx version, as mentioned earlier. As much I like these changes, they are not in arcade, so they aren't "legit" :(

Rehan (Dead Man Inc.)

[SlaughterX]

Ok I got SFZ3 on Saturn today and I have to say it is still hard to choose which one is really better, here's how they add up...

Street Fighter Alpha 3 on Dreamcast:

Cheaper!
Faster Loading
Dramatic Battle
In-Game Move List
American, Nothing Else Needed To Play
Jump Pack Compatible (is this actually good for this game?)
Some Online Features (Japan had an online version, different)

Street Fighter Zero 3 on Saturn:

World Tour is "Deeper"
Better (original) Controller
Sound Is Better (whoever said that was right, I have no idea why)
Character Images During Loading
More Arcade Perfect (so they say)

The same goes for the PS version, but then you have to deduct points because it loads longer and it has been cut down a bit from the arcade, and the controller is better then then the DC one but not the SS pad.

So it all breaks down to this, if you're really into heavy arcade compitition and can't afford the actual arcade then get a stick for your comp and find the ROM, but if you must play it on your TV then go with the SS version if you have the extra money to spend for it. If you're a regular Street Fighter then I suggest you just get the DC version, and if you like a little arcade feel go ahead and spend the extra money on the agetec stick. No matter what version you get though, they are all good (except for maybe the GBA version but I haven't played it (nor do I want to) so I can't really say for sure).

P.S. I am not a n00b, scrub, or anything like that, I am a hardcore gamer, might not be the best SF player but I think I'm damn good, there is no need to arguee, no need to reply, I got my tax check today so if anyone wants to test me just look up one of my screen names on my pro and drop me a msg and I would be delighted to play whoever, as long as you have a decent connection (anything broadband), PEACE.

Thought we already been through this, the DC version doesn't suck at all, the Saturn version is just better, though I'm sure most people will get over that after they see how much the Saturn version costs these days...

[ParryAll]

Thought we already been through this, the DC version doesn't suck at all, the Saturn version is just better, though I'm sure most people will get over that after they see how much the Saturn version costs these days...

I got the Saturn version first day for around 40 bucks. Graphically it is much, much cleaner than the DC version, full animation, really kick ass music and sound, and all the other goodies like world tour, etc. Little bit of loading (ludicris after Vampire Savior and XSF, chalk it up to rush job)Arcade>SS>DC>PS1.

Too bad I don't like Alpha 3 and never play this. Never liked Alpha 3, I thought the new characters sucked, I don't like V-Ism, Don't like screen constantly flashing or the juggle system or the tech flips or the fact that there are 10 throw based characters all of which suck ass, SPD's do no damage...

Maybe I should sell my copy don't they go for like 80 bucks now?

[SlaughterX]

Anywhere between $50 and $100, depending on if you have the original or RAM box version, and the current demand for it (don't think it's so highly sough after right now).

[Storm Raiden]

Being a casual/serious player, I completely agree that a game that isn't close to being arcade perfect is a waste if someone is active in the arcade scene or tournaments. However, where I live, arcades are close to nill, hence why almost everyone I know doesn't play fighting games. With that in mind, I am pretty much forced to play console ports or emulation from time to time. I can count on one hand the friends I have who play street fighter as seriously as I do, and with them we have great tournaments at our houses where we play console versions of all the games we love. For that purpose, I still play DC SFA3 and I think it is great. I notice the difference between arcade and console, but it isn't big enough nor worth the money to constantly travel 40 or so miles to play at an arcade that will have it.

If you are in the same boat, DC SFA3 rocks. If you are a competitive SRK player like most people here, than settle for the Saturn port or Mame.