Covers and brief synopsis for Issue 8

[Saturius]

Go to comicscontinuum.com to see the different covers and stuff. I'm sad that there is no Alvin Lee cover. I think I'm gonna get the cover with Cammy and Fei Long. The story looks interesting. Chun Li is my favorite character so I hope we see a lot of her in this arc since she's investigating shady stuff in Hong Kong films. Now all I need is my Rose fix for this arc since she is supposed to show up again.

[Vanilla]

Nice covers, but what's up with Guiles hair in the second cover? lol

[The V]

I like the New Challengers group shot cover. Can't wait to pick it up.

[hitshiro]

hmm i couldn't find them does anyone have the direct link to the page?

[yikhai]

sooooooo is mark brooks doin the art for this new arc or is it still alvin lee?

[udoneko]

It's still Alvin doing most interiors. Mark Brooks is just doing this cover for #8. #9, we will have LeSean Thomas and Trigun's NIGHTOW doing the 2 covers with LeSean doing the back up story.

Then, be prepared for Alvin's coming back to the covers for #10, 11, & 12...... that's the whole reason why Alvin is not on the covers of 7 to 9......

[yikhai]

It's still Alvin doing most interiors. Mark Brooks is just doing this cover for #8. #9, we will have LeSean Thomas and Trigun's NIGHTOW doing the 2 covers with LeSean doing the back up story.

thanx man, can't wait for the return of alvin on covers

u've got some good guests lined up. i'll glad LeSean has some top work now after his unexpected cancellation on TMNT. i love trigun and can't wait for previews of #9

[jz_chu237]

hmm i couldn't find them does anyone have the direct link to the page?

Here are the direct links:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0402/19/sf8a.htm

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0402/19/sf8b.htm

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0402/19/sfpower.htm

Hmmm, well i'm definitely a little disappointed, Jo Chen's cover is pretty good i guess. I'm not very keen on the other two though, #10 seems a long long time away.

[hitshiro]

thanks for the links, :bluu: yeah those cover are really not as great as the other, i like the fei long ,dee jay, cammy and t hawk cover, i'm still gonna get the two covers though, i never buy the power covers, i don't know why i don't, i'm not much of a collector.

[chimitaru]

i was hoping that bison would end up sending his dolls after cammy like in the game unfortunetly it seems undoneko is going down the easier anti climatic root by making delta red simply capture a doll agent.

[Enzan]

i think they look aliright my only problem is that the covers are staing to look so familiar even though it looks good im getting kind of tired of the group shots cuz they all look the same ie. issue 0, 1, 2,3, 8. u know what i mean? it looks great but nothing really original. how bout a battle instead or something different.

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

Originally posted by Enzan
i think they look aliright my only problem is that the covers are staing to look so familiar even though it looks good im getting kind of tired of the group shots cuz they all look the same ie. issue 0, 1, 2,3, 8. u know what i mean? it looks great but nothing really original. how bout a battle instead or something different.

Exactly what I think, all the covers are group shots of the characters and I definetely want to see something new...

Anyway, I'll only be getting cover A, that one looks pretty good..

[osamado]

WHat is going on in Issue 8? I don't have any idea on the story. can someone provide a link.

[SFMC]

Damn i didnt even see this thread! I had to delete my other one. Cant believe danimation gone pro so fast, it was like yesterday he was posting at comixmatrix and even battling me too. Nothing but respect for him.

[Time_Stop]

I missed the covers for issue 7... Any links?

And i agree those covers are kinda dissapointing. Reminds me of issue 2, where the only one i was ok with was the Foil. Issue 8, i almost like cover B... but Ryu´s face looks messed up.

[northernlight]

who is mark brooks? the issue 8 cover is amazing!!! the foil cover also looks like it's one of the best so far! not only are joe chen's sf covers amazing, but check out the Runaways covers, especially the one with the girl holding the car up...so good.

[Artayes]

The Sakura foil is amazing! looks like one of the best foils so far. I love the new warriors cover and the other one looks good except for Guile's hair. I will pick them all up anyways. Does anyone have any links to the covers for issue 7? I have seen them, but forgot where.

[Sano]

I'm just happy Fei-Long is on a cover. WAAAATAAA!!!!

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by Artayes
Does anyone have any links to the covers for issue 7? I have seen them, but forgot where.

http://www.comicartcommunity.com

Cover A is great, but B and C are pretty damn disappointing. I didn´t know LaRocca´s art was so bad nowadays.

[TAS]

i'll glad LeSean has some top work now after his unexpected cancellation on TMNT

Its not that unexpected given his new projects, like Cannon Busters, which he'll be working on with Corey Lewis aka REY, who does the CHEAP SHOTS strips.

Cannon Busters (http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6628)

Basicly LeSean is working for another company now, so a cancelation isnt unexpected.

[udoneko]

Originally posted by TAS


Its not that unexpected given his new projects, like Cannon Busters, which he'll be working on with Corey Lewis aka REY, who does the CHEAP SHOTS strips.

Cannon Busters (http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6628)

Basicly LeSean is working for another company now, so a cancelation isnt unexpected.

It is not fair to say that TMNT got cancelled because LeS is working on other stuff. He was notified a while back that TMNT will be "on hold until further noticed". So he is practically out of a job. He has been working slowly with Rey on CB for a while now and with this extra time, CB just get rolling faster.

So TMNT got cancelled becoz DW stopped it. Not becoz LeS left DW.

[TAS]

It is not fair to say that TMNT got cancelled because LeS is working on other stuff. He was notified a while back that TMNT will be "on hold until further noticed". So he is practically out of a job. He has been working slowly with Rey on CB for a while now and with this extra time, CB just get rolling faster.

So TMNT got cancelled becoz DW stopped it. Not becoz LeS left DW.

Wasnt the hold or hiatus because of DW's new direction?

LeSean mentions in the CB interview that DW was going in a new direction which is why CB wasnt on DW's label, so is the new direction the reason why?

Also Erik you might be able to help me answer this, Capcom's fighitng game department isnt really developing too much right now, but what do artists like Bengus, Akiman, and Edayan all do when there's nothing in production, or what do your UDON employess do when theyre not on a project, I guess would be a better question since you'd know about that.

BTW I remember you mentioning Edayan doing a cover for the new SF series, but can you tell us when to expect it? Like I know you cant reveal specifics, but could you say something like expect it in the SF2 arc, or sometime later this year, or something like that please?

[Maj]

I'm curious about the other Capcom artists myself. I know Akiman has his own website, which he uses to post artwork on a fairly regular basis:

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/index.html

For some reason, the whole front page is filled with Chun Li submissions from fans right now. But you can explore the page more if you're curious.

I also know that he did character designs for a Gundam series called "Turn A Gundam" that turned out to be not so good. But the designs themselves are awesome. There was an artbook that came out featuring nearly the whole collection:

http://animebooks.com/turgundesyas.html

[lled78]

Originally posted by Majestros
I'm curious about the other Capcom artists myself. I know Akiman has his own website, which he uses to post artwork on a fairly regular basis:

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/index.html

I wish this:

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/svc002.jpg

was official Capcom art? ;_;

[kenmastersX]

Originally posted by lled78


I wish this:

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/svc002.jpg

was official Capcom art? ;_;

I'm not sure. :lol: Last I heard, Akiman wasn't working for Capcom anymore.

[Jahnli]

wow his xmen art is nice.

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/xmen1.jpg

but what is up with this!

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/svc002.jpg

or THIS.

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/xxxx9.jpg

OR THIS!!! Poor Chun Li!

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/xxxx.jpg

So yes - when I think of Street Fighter, I think of Akiman's illustrations more than Shinkiro's. But it looks like Akiman's taken some "liberties" now that he's moved on lol. But I would love to see a cover by him for the comic!

[TAS]

I'm not sure. Last I heard, Akiman wasn't working for Capcom anymore.

So yes - when I think of Street Fighter, I think of Akiman's illustrations more than Shinkiro's. But it looks like Akiman's taken some "liberties" now that he's moved on lol. But I would love to see a cover by him for the comic!

Actually he still works for Capcom, along with other companies too.

And the cover Arnold Tsang did for SF#2, is a tribute to one of Akiman's pics, and actually dosnt look that much diffrient by comparison.


CAPCOM ARTISTS -

Bengus Credits:

Street Fighter (character designer, main artist)
Street Fighter 2 [Series] (character designer, main artist)
Street Fighter Alpha (character designer, main artist)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (character designer, main artist)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (main artist)
Darkstalkers [Series] (character designer, main artist)
X-Men Vs Street Fighter (main artist/all artwork)
Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter (main artist/all artwork)
Marvel Vs Capcom (main artist/all artwork, except one)
Marvel Vs Capcom 2 (main artist/all artwork)
Star Gladiator/Plasma Sword (main aritst)
Aliens VS Predator (designed Linn Kurosawa, minor artwork)
Final Fight (character designer, minor artwork)
Captain Commando (character designer, minor artwork)
Cannon Spike (one piece of artwork)
Capcom Vs SNK (three pieces of artwork)
Power Stone (main artist/all artwork)
Power Stone 2 (main artist/all artwork)

Akiman Credits:

Street Fighter 2 (character designer, main artist)
Street Fighter Alpha (character designer)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (character designer)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (character designer)
Street Fighter 3 (character designer, main artist)
X-Men: Children of the Atom (one piece of art)
Power Stone (character designer)
Power Stone 2 (character designer)
Final Fight (character designer, minor artwork)
Captain Commando (character designer, minor artwork)
Lost Worlds (character designer, minor artwork)
Side Arm (character designer, minor artwork)
Magic Sword (character designer, minor artwork)
Black Dragon (character designer, minor artwork)
1941 (character designer, minor artwork)
1943 (character designer, minor artwork)

Edayan Credits:

Super Puzzle Fighter (minor artwork)
Super Puzzle Fighter II (minor artwork)
Pocket Fighter (minor artwork)
Street Fighter EX (character designer, main artist)
Street Fighter EX 2 (character designer, main artist)
Street Fighter 2 The New Challengers (three pieces of art)
Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo Revival (main artist/all artwork)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (artist, designed Sakura)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (one piece of artwork, designed R.Mika)
Rival Schools Evolution 1 (character designer, main artist)
Rival Schools Evolution 2 (character designer, main artist)
Project Justice (character designer, main artist)
Darkstalkers: Vampire Hunter (one piece of artwork)
Vampire Savior (two pieces of artwork)
Warzard (minor artwork)

Bengus - Obviously Capcom's best & most well known artist, but suprisingly nobody seems to know his real name. Apparently after sometime stopped working with Akiman, and stopped designing characters (for Capcom) and he also changed his (code) name to CRMK.

Akiman - Known as more of a character designer than an artist. He's single handly designed more characters than any other Capcom employee. He does do alot of artwork, but it dosnt really show up in the games or art books, like Bengus and Edayan's stuff. His real name is Akira Yasuda.

Edayan - "The next Bengus" judging by his art and designs. Edayan has been Capcom's biggest up and coming artist in the last few years. His real name may be Nayade (Edayan backwards)

Edayan is Capcom's best artist/character designer at the moment, but they dont really allow him to do alot, but Udoneko mentioned something about him doing a cover for the new comic series.

[Jahnli]

Hmm maybe not a formal Capcom employee, but didn't Satoshi Urushihara also do some really early promo pics for SFII? At least of chun li that I can remember. I googled and even found a pic of chun li he did that i never saw before!

http://www.albatross1.com/ANIMIMG/GWOMEN/su_zzc.jpg

[TAS]

Hmm maybe not a formal Capcom employee, but didn't Satoshi Urushihara also do some really early promo pics for SFII? At least of chun li that I can remember. I googled and even found a pic of chun li he did that i never saw before!

There's actually alot of SF pics like that, that he did, ie its not very rare stuff.

They were really promo pics for the SF2: The Animated Movie, which was made/released shortly after SSF2T.

Although I think all the pics he did included Chun Li, whether it was a solo shot or a group shot.

[BBCampbell]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


http://www.comicartcommunity.com

Cover A is great, but B and C are pretty damn disappointing. I didn´t know LaRocca´s art was so bad nowadays.

Can anyone find where the covers to SF are on that site? I can't.

[nortlee]

I like cover C the most (As always LOL) Jo chen's covers always looks awesome, cover A looks good too though for cover B I like the way Sagat, Bison & Vega are drawn but am not keen on the other characters, i'm getting all 3 but if I was picky cover B would be on the bottom of my list.

[wakasashe]

I enjoy reading the comments and views we have on the art and covers of the comic. I don't know just how necessary it is thought to say something along the lines of, "..But this cover is a lot crappier. Maybe I'd get it, if I want to toss out some money after buying the other covers.." There's always going to be one you're bound to not enjoy as much as the others, right? I'm not even sure if comparing them with each other is appropriate at times; a figure painting by Picasso isn't critiqued the same as a Caravaggio. A Dustin Nguyen isn't going for the same as Alvin Lee.

[nortlee]

Originally posted by wakasashe
I enjoy reading the comments and views we have on the art and covers of the comic. I don't know just how necessary it is thought to say something along the lines of, "..But this cover is a lot crappier. Maybe I'd get it, if I want to toss out some money after buying the other covers.." There's always going to be one you're bound to not enjoy as much as the others, right? I'm not even sure if comparing them with each other is appropriate at times; a figure painting by Picasso isn't critiqued the same as a Caravaggio. A Dustin Nguyen isn't going for the same as Alvin Lee.

If you're referring to me I see your point, every artist is unique, I was only saying which covers I liked in order of preferance :( I still don't mind cover B I just said I prefer the other 2.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by BBCampbell


Can anyone find where the covers to SF are on that site? I can't.

You´re out of luck. From the time i posted the link to now, the site changed from a gallery website to an art auction site. :lol:

[Maj]

I thought i'd be a team player and kick down.

http://lowfierce.com/sfcmedia

I just threw it together in a couple of hours plus i'm not all that good at web design, so forgive the ghetto layout.

[m121akuma]

http://www12.big.or.jp/%7Eakiman/busin.jpg
Holy crap....

So, Mr. Ko...will we see Akiman grace this comic anytime soon? That would be very nice...

[udoneko]

The next Capcom artist confirmed doing cover art for us is.....

EDAYAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have asked all others, but it all depends on their schedule...

Well, all goods things are worth the wait!

[wakasashe]

Nortlee, I wasn't necessarily calling you out.. I understand what you mean and just wanted attention paid to some of the words aimed at the art in SF. ;)
THere's always going to be one who doesn't dig the awesomeness in a particular cover and the likes...but damn if udon hasn't satisfied me. I'm really digging some of the covers a few that I could do with out I don't mind either..it's great variety.
Someone had mentioned that covers have had tendency to look really similar with their 'group shots' and I hope the udon folks will look to including a variety of exciting, new images. Thanks!

[m121akuma]

Edayan, eh? Can I have some examples of his work, so I can get an idea of his style?

[Zamuel]

Originally posted by udoneko
The next Capcom artist confirmed doing cover art for us is.....

EDAYAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Whooooooo!!! Alright!

[Mr.Twelve]

Originally posted by udoneko
The next Capcom artist confirmed doing cover art for us is.....

EDAYAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HOLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SSSSSHHHHHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by udoneko
The next Capcom artist confirmed doing cover art for us is.....

EDAYAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nice, i hope Mika is in it.

[jojo]

Originally posted by m121akuma
Edayan, eh? Can I have some examples of his work, so I can get an idea of his style?

Edayan.... heck yeah!!:cool:



m121akuma, you can see some of his work on Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo.

[Mr.Twelve]

You can see his style shines in the Rival School Series, as well as SF EX series and SF2 Revival on the Game Boy Advance.:D (Nortlee's avatar)

[SFMC]

No way the guy from Rival Schools, sweeet. He and the 3s guy are my favorite game artist.

[nortlee]

That's sweeeeet, the art in rRval Schools & Super SF2 Turbo Revival rules (I wouldn't have known who this artist was had you not explained though so thanks Mr.Twelve) I look forward to seeing that variant, which issue is it for?

[BBCampbell]

Are Udon putting Sakura in SFII or are they just making SFA3 take SFII's place? I forgot.

I ask this because Sakura is on the covers of #7 & #8, and "SFII" starts in #7.

That being said...

Issue #7: Definitely getting the A cover. B is a good cover, but not my style. I will say that the artist for B is very good though.

Issue #8: Outside of Sakura's awkward pose and Balrog looking like he's watching porn, this may just be the first B cover I get. Though the new challengers cover is pretty nice too.

[m121akuma]

Originally posted by BBCampbell
Are Udon putting Sakura in SFII or are they just making SFA3 take SFII's place? I forgot.

I ask this because Sakura is on the covers of #7 & #8, and "SFII" starts in #7.



I think issue 7 starts a storyline slightly between SFA3 and SF2, when Ryu begins his journey to train around the world. Technically, the actual SF2 storyline is the tournament, so this area of the plot actually has a lot of leeway. Probably why Udon decided to cover it next.

[udoneko]

Its kinda of a shadey time line.... Yeah, SFII is really like ONLY the tournament. So this period between now and the Tourny begins would be something between Alpha & II. The funny thing is that in real life, they made SFII before Alpha with only 16 characters there, while they did a prequel with a much bigger cast. So now when we straightened out this timeline, we will proably keep the existing Alpha somehow in the SFII timeline. Got some plans going on.... you will see. It should be pretty fun!

[hitshiro]

cool the rival school guy is gonna be the next guest artist :D that's awsome, i loved the art for that, i remember playing the game and watching the animation and wishing there was more :p i'm confused, what issue is he gonna be doing? 9 right? since 7 and 8 are already done.........anybody have a site of his work? i would love to see Edayan stuff,

oh yeah and i asked this question a while back, but udoneko, u were gone for a while so here the question again.......

are any of the guest artist gonna be returning for a second round? or are we just gonna find new artist to do every issue? thanks

[AiRiC]

Good stuff UDON its nice to see you guys going out of your way on this comic making it something specail like getting different artists and Making the plot as in depth as SF story line can be by placing rose in beggining of things was a nice touch.

For people who don't know Mark brooks is known for his work on Transformers....

btw UDON you think you could put the back up story of Go hibiki and Possibly Ryu meet up with dan again that would be awsome oh yea and is Danimation still working for you guys.. Good stuff Erik keep it up :cool:

[osamado]

For issue #8, cover B looks cool. For issue #7... I think I will settle for the foil cover. I don't like Larroca's art-work anymore. Looks washed out. Worst looking Bison ever.

Say, So issue #7 marks street fighter 2 while the first seven issues (if you include 0) are alphas? Makes sense.

Nortlee, you sure aren't a picky guy with those covers, but I sure am.

[Gojira]

Edayan, NICE!! Can't wait for that one.

Still hoping for covers from Kinu Nishimura and Akiman in the future...

[TiamatRoar]

Issues 7-12 are actually more of an "in-between Alpha and SF2" thing as far as I can tell.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Issues 7-12 are actually more of an "in-between Alpha and SF2" thing as far as I can tell.

Do we know how many issues SF2 will take? There´s gotta be a LOT of fighting, considering it´s a tournament with 16 fighters... The good part is that SF2 has less plot than Alpha, so it shouldn´t be too much trouble.

I just hope they don´t carry characters from SFA to SF2 and SF2 into SF3. That would be pretty silly. Maybe in the sidelines, but not as part of the plot. If guys like Guile or Cammy showed up in SF3, it would take even more from the poor cast of the game.

[TiamatRoar]

SF2 will also last "only" six issues. Although I do recall Udoneko remarking something along the lines of them considering increasing the amount (of which I hope they do. Actually, I think they should increase the overall amount of issues for this current arc, too, really. Alpha (which has all the SF2 characters, anyways) is so big that they really will need the extra space. In fact, I'm thinking maybe they should include another arc to cover some Final Fight aspect or something (I can't fathom how they'll be able to fit or weave the FF characters into either of the current planned arcs), unless they plan on using Hugo's Poison to bring that in, later.

[Maj]

I think the best way to go would be to leave FF out entirely and go on with the SF story into SF2. A lot of Alpha is being neglected right now. Maybe after SF2 is done, they can do sort of an off-shoot comic covering the Final Fight story as it connects into Alpha. That would give them a chance to do three things at once: introduce the FF characters, flesh out the Alpha storyline, and continue the main SF story into SF2 and SF3 without slowing down unnecessarily.

Just my opinion.

P.S. Why is Time_Stop so critical all the time? Seems like his facial expression is always drawn by the SSF2 artist. (exhibit A (http://lowfierce.com/sfcmedia/random/ssf2feilong.jpg), exhibit B (http://lowfierce.com/sfcmedia/random/ssf2sagat.jpg), exhibit C (http://lowfierce.com/sfcmedia/random/ssf2mbison.jpg))

[osamado]

I just hope they don´t carry characters from SFA to SF2 and SF2 into SF3. That would be pretty silly. Maybe in the sidelines, but not as part of the plot. If guys like Guile or Cammy showed up in SF3, it would take even more from the poor cast of the game.

Well, I don't think so necessarily. I don't mind Guile or Cammy in SF3. I really wouldn't see why not Guile especially appear since Chun li appeared in SF3. Guile is just too cool not to appear in SF3. Plus I think SF2 in this comic might be quite different than what we expect. I think Sui CHong will spice something creative with the storyline for both SF2 and 3 and 4 and 5 if there will be one. Well, I guess SF3 might come in about mabye three years if SF2 will take up a lot of issues anyway.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by osamado


Well, I don't think so necessarily. I don't mind Guile or Cammy in SF3. I really wouldn't see why not Guile especially appear since Chun li appeared in SF3. Guile is just too cool not to appear in SF3. Plus I think SF2 in this comic might be quite different than what we expect. I think Sui CHong will spice something creative with the storyline for both SF2 and 3 and 4 and 5 if there will be one. Well, I guess SF3 might come in about mabye three years if SF2 will take up a lot of issues anyway.

The SF3 cast is underwritten, under-developed. So they NEED the development. Putting Guile, Sagat and people like those in the story would steal away their only chance of getting some development.

Hell, the only characters that got any development in the first arc were Ryu, Ken and Akuma! Now do you want them to make the cast larger and larger, so the same thing happen in SF2 and SF3?

I criticize because it helps more than sucking their dicks 24/7 like most people here do. The comic has the potential to be really sweet, but it still isn´t. I´m not like a kid that sees a Tatsumaki and thinks the comic´s "awesome". I need the writing and the pace to go with it.

I´m sticking with it because they CAN fix it, if they want to.

The thing is, most fans are narrow-minded. Like the guy from Cammyfan.com. "Oh, my favorite character needs to be in the comic, why are they wasting their time with ___". SF3 has its own cast, and you expect them to put the SF2 guys in there to fuck everything up? That´s fanboy-ism.

Just because you like Guile better doesn´t mean he deserves to be there. He certainly isn´t above Ibuki or Q or Elena, despite how many fans he´s got.

I hope Udon is above crap like that.

[udoneko]

Time Stop, your suggestion and comments are appreciated.

It is too early to tell what direction we are taking on SF3. The next arc will be something between Alpha and the Tournament. So there will be more Alpha stuff still. For people who are concerned about us cutting the Alpha story short, let me tell you that the Alpha stuff does not end with issue 6.

To us, the first 6 issue is much like a teaser. More stuff will come in the next 10 to 12 issues or so. Yup, we are not limiting the next arc to 6 issues. It will probably be longer that just 6.

:)

[udoneko]

And for the record: I do not agree that everyone else here is "sucking our dick". That is very disrespectful for all of the people who make this place so strong.

While we look at the criticism and comments, your encouragements are what gets us going, fuel our energy to make the book better and better, knowing that our hard work will be appreciated.

[Enzan]

timestop i respect your opinion and i atually agree with most of your posts. but u r making it tuff for me to agree with u when u use language liek that in that context. i dont mind the swearing but u r kind of insulting the ppl here and thats no cool.

i hope SF2 will be more than 6 issues, otherwise it will seem rush again, IMO 6 issues should take care of the tourney in iteself... but u need to also have everyone train adn actually set up the tournament, adn then the figths...can it be done in 6...we will see.

i know udon wants to make it longer but because of expenes, lack of sales or even the contract or whatever it isnt that possible. but here hoping.

[nortlee]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


I criticize because it helps more than sucking their dicks 24/7 like most people here do. The comic has the potential to be really sweet, but it still isn´t. I´m not like a kid that sees a Tatsumaki and thinks the comic´s "awesome". I need the writing and the pace to go with it.

Actually it is possible that some of us actually just do like the comic books & the job Udon has done, if you hate it so much why stick around? I personally despite the speed it is going at like the story for the SF Udon comics, hell it could be a lot worse look at the complete rubbish that Malibu made:rolleyes: When you've seen how rubbish it can be you can't help but respect the effort being made with Udon's comic, it has nothing to do with sucking up.

The only time the fans of the comic here did start saying how good the comic was aka sucking up IYO, was because thanks to a certain somebody's comments here it looked like cancellation was plagueing the Udon team's minds.

[Time_Stop]

Hey, i was trying to put some valid criticism there (like in the other thread, pointing things out clearly, breaking in sections), and got the reply with the pics of SSF2 ("exhibit a" and so on).

A lot of stuff pissed me off (like the tanko/TPB, which i think is a big slap in the face of TPB fans, and i know a couple guys in another forum who refuse to buy it because of the variant covers), but i still want them to get feedback to help the comic. I do think a post with the good and the bad is much more interesting than "ohmygodawesome", and it heps to put things in perspective.

[nortlee]

Originally posted by Time_Stop
Hey, i was trying to put some valid criticism there (like in the other thread, pointing things out clearly, breaking in sections), and got the reply with the pics of SSF2 ("exhibit a" and so on).
Yeah sorry, I wasn't in a good frame of mind at the time, well you did call us all suck-ups afterall lol.
There was one comment that particually grasped my attention, something like "it's not a book or a manga its a comic", the comcs are pretty short & you can't have a comic without something going on each issue so I guess really there's little choice but to rush it, otherwise we'd be overwhelmed with anxiety lol.

[Maj]

Sorry, i was just trying to lighten up the mood a bit. It's possible to give criticism and be supportive at the same time, isn't it? And who says that just because i was joking around that i don't think your opinion is valuable?

The only thing i care about is that things are kept civil on this board. In other words, you can use whatever language you want as long as it's not personally insulting to whoever you're talking to. In my opinion, a lot more gets accomplished in discussions when people don't take stuff personally, when there is mutual respect, and when there's a sense of humor involved (because it prevents people from taking things personally).

Edit: I agree that taking the time to develop and share a well-formed opinion is valuable, but giving support is also meaningful. For example, you complain about the TPB not having the backup stories, but the reasons for that format have been explained and discussed in depth. The TPB is meant to introduce people to the series who don't usually read comics. That's why it's in digest format and that's why it's coming out before the start of the next arc. That's also why it's relatively inexpensive.

If you have a better idea, please go ahead and suggest it. But keep in mind that reprinting all the backup stories could very well anger Udon's core fanbase that has spent considerable resources in collecting the first six issues. Otherwise, if you agree that they are making the best choice possible, it doesn't make sense to me that you are being critical instead of supportive. If the fans of Udon's SF series can't even be expected to lend their support, how can anyone expect to get new people interested?

[Time_Stop]

I think we all have dreamnt about a high-quality SF comic. And we may get there with Udon. I´ll try to keep my head, so i can give valid criticism.

[osamado]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


The SF3 cast is underwritten, under-developed. So they NEED the development. Putting Guile, Sagat and people like those in the story would steal away their only chance of getting some development.

Hell, the only characters that got any development in the first arc were Ryu, Ken and Akuma! Now do you want them to make the cast larger and larger, so the same thing happen in SF2 and SF3?

I criticize because it helps more than sucking their dicks 24/7 like most people here do. The comic has the potential to be really sweet, but it still isn´t. I´m not like a kid that sees a Tatsumaki and thinks the comic´s "awesome". I need the writing and the pace to go with it.

I´m sticking with it because they CAN fix it, if they want to.

The thing is, most fans are narrow-minded. Like the guy from Cammyfan.com. "Oh, my favorite character needs to be in the comic, why are they wasting their time with ___". SF3 has its own cast, and you expect them to put the SF2 guys in there to fuck everything up? That´s fanboy-ism.

Just because you like Guile better doesn´t mean he deserves to be there. He certainly isn´t above Ibuki or Q or Elena, despite how many fans he´s got.

I hope Udon is above crap like that.

Okayyyy. Just because I suggest that Guile appear doesn't mean that the SF3 story line will get messed up for cryin out loud. I only ask for a few characters from SF2 to appear in SF3. I only thought about Guile appearing in SF3 because he has potential in that SF3 plot just like Chun Li, Ryu Ken, and Akuma.

Well, I do think that the SF3 plot could use some development and there is nothing wrong about that. Neither is useing only a relative handful of SF2 characters. Guile is very usable character just a much as Ryu. Udon can make something creative if they wanted to with him if they wanted to.

Let me tell you that the SF3 characters you mentioned being above Guile are not right for one thing. Q being above Guile? Q is a shit design by Capcom first of all and very uncreative. Elena, Ibuki, are good designs.

All I am saying is that Guile can have a good purpose to be in SF3. He has a lot of potential. He is 100% original. He does have a very developed character.

[TiamatRoar]

There is the opinion that given the limited amount of space of the comic book format to actually develop characters, there isn't enough space to split among SF2 characters AND SF3 characters even if it's only a handful, in particular since SF3 characters need all the development they can get. There is of course an alternate opinion that there is enough room for a couple SF2 chars to be in there.

The way I see it, considering that Alpha (which has all the SF2 chars) has like, twice as many characters as SF3, if they can successfully cram all the alpha characters into the limited pages they have now, and have that same amount of pages for SF3, there should be more than enough space for SF3 and some SF2 chars to fit together. HOWEVER, if SF3 takes up less pages than this Alpha + SF2 saga does, then of course, there's less space to go around.

That's just from a spacial issue. There are other issues such as "Will Guile fit in with the SF3 cast when he's never been with them in the games?" and "Will there be any plot left to do with Guile?", etc etc.

And of course, there's the possible "What the heck comes after SF3 is finished if all the Alpha characters have been left behind for so long that it'd be awkward for them to come back into the comic? Will the comic forever keep using the SF3 characters from then on?" etc questions that will happen if the comic goes on for long enough.