Poison

[Time_Stop]

udoneko, considering you guys are using the american version of the story, i assume you are going to make Poison a woman instead of a man?

I assume you can´t use Poison´s real sex in the comic, so... can i ask you guys to consider NOT making Poison´s sex clear?

Like, never using "she" or "her _____", instead using "Poison" or "Poison´s ____"?

[Vanilla]

I dont see why they cant make Poison a man, I'm sure there are worse things in comics out there.

[Gojira]

Poison would want to be referred to as "she", even being what she is, and most people would look at her and address her that way anyway.

What I'd like is for some reference to be hidden in the dialogue somewhere that only people who know the truth would catch.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by Vanilla
I dont see why they cant make Poison a man, I'm sure there are worse things in comics out there.

I didn´t mean because of "censorship", i meant because of Capcom of America.

Originally posted by Gojira
Poison would want to be referred to as "she", even being what she is, and most people would look at her and address her that way anyway.

You´re right, but that wouldn´t help much... :p

Originally posted by Gojira
What I'd like is for some reference to be hidden in the dialogue somewhere that only people who know the truth would catch.

Yeah, that would work.

[EVIL5150]

See the way I understood it, Poison was conceived and designed as a female, just labled a tranny for american audiences under the assumption it would be more acceptable to beat up a transexual than a woman. In which case Poison really is a chick, but like, she had to pose as a tranny in order to get recruited by an American street gang?

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by EVIL5150
See the way I understood it, Poison was conceived and designed as a female, just labled a tranny for american audiences under the assumption it would be more acceptable to beat up a transexual than a woman. In which case Poison really is a chick, but like, she had to pose as a tranny in order to get recruited by an American street gang?

Get any Capcom Guide or Artbook and you´ll see "male" as Poison´s sex (see attach). Sure, there was all the big problem with Capcom of America and the issue of "what was the original intention", but Poison is officially a guy in the end - not a girl posing as guy.

[EVIL5150]

eew. What about Ash Crimson? A dude with breasts? Like a shemale?

[TAS]

WTF are you talking about?

Ash dosnt have breasts, and isnt a she-male.

Ash is just bishonen (pretty male) just like a BUNCH of other fighitng game characters, Vega, Iori, Ky, etc, etc.

[EVIL5150]

Ok ok, in Final Fight Revenge Poison is refferd to as her right? Can anyone confirm this? So if she was designed as a woman, relabled a guy for Capcom USA, and llater reffered to as a woman in a Capcom USA made game, does that make her a chick again?


Dude I swear Ash's got boobs, just small ones. No one's pecs do this: http://www.fightersgeneration.com/main.htm

And what's with the hair band?

There's a difference between man pretty, gay lookin, and straight up trany style. Ukyo=man pretty, Sogetsu=gay lookin, Amakusa=straight up trany style.

[Skyler]

well i for one made up my mind that posion is a lady and not a tranny. After seening her in SF3rdStrike with her voice and all, she is a lady to me now and she was a lady in the 1st place(stupid capcom of america). plus i dont like the confusion part anymore cause i dont know for sure if capcom of america stated that posion is now a lady and not a tranny.:confused:

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by EVIL5150
Ok ok, in Final Fight Revenge Poison is refferd to as her right? Can anyone confirm this? So if she was designed as a woman, relabled a guy for Capcom USA, and llater reffered to as a woman in a Capcom USA made game, does that make her a chick again?

Capcom of Japan, which created Poison, still list him as male.

Capcom USA ignores that on purpose, because they know how homophobic americans are.

Originally posted by EVIL5150
And what's with the hair band?


There´s a popular british soccer player (the one that´s banging the Spice Girl - what´s his name?) that wears a hair-band too. People call men like that "metrossexual", guys that care about their looks a lot.

[Bowling Pin]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


Capcom of Japan, which created Poison, still list him as male.

Capcom USA ignores that on purpose, because they know how homophobic americans are.

I think Capcom USA ignores this because they know how retarded the whole thing is. I've seen h-doujin from SvC where Poison wasn't dickgirled, and that's all that matters.

[Ultima]

Does Capcom USA even know POison's male?

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by Bowling Pin
I think Capcom USA ignores this because they know how retarded the whole thing is.

It´s Capcom´s idea (and Capcom USA´s fault), not mine.

But frankly, i´ll take Capcom of Japan over Capcom USA any day. I don´t need the american versions of "Evil Ryu" and "Akuma".

[TAS]

Geez, this is so freaking stupid, and nobody has even come close to the right answer, Bowling Pin maybe had the best statement of the whole thread.

Anyways, Poison is completely female, she was a man that had a complete sex-change opperation. The only reason Capcom of Japan lists her as a male is to show/tell that she was once a man.

Example Capcom of Japan lists Poison's gender as Male, but whenever they refer to her in text (past Poison's sex change operation) they always refer to her as "she" or "her"

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by TAS
Geez, this is so freaking stupid, and nobody has even come close to the right answer, Bowling Pin maybe had the best statement of the whole thread.

Anyways, Poison is completely female, she was a man that had a complete sex-change opperation. The only reason Capcom of Japan lists her as a male is to show/tell that she was once a man.

Example Capcom of Japan lists Poison's gender as Male, but whenever they refer to her in text (past Poison's sex change operation) they always refer to her as "she" or "her"

We all know about the "sex change" (cough). :rolleyes:

And okay, so you say the fact they refer to Poison as "male" is not important? Sure... :lol: A guy is a guy.

[Maj]

There are 2987239487987123 more important characters in SF than Poison. Seriously, who cares? At best, she's going to have some minor cameo role way late into the series. And it's not like her gender is going to have anything to do with her role in the story either. Hugo isn't even a major character. Why is his non-playable sidekick getting all this attention?

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by TAS
Anyways, Poison is completely female, she was a man that had a complete sex-change opperation. The only reason Capcom of Japan lists her as a male is to show/tell that she was once a man.



Poison never underwent a sex-change operation. That was just Capcom of Japan poking fun at Capcom of America's ignorance. A friend from another board went to work for Capcom on some secret project and told me that they told him that Poison is indeed still a man.

[Sano]

I used to think Poison had the Sex Change up until a few Months ago when TiamatRoar said more or less what he posted above. Poison's a man. There is also the example that was given on how Poison sounds a lot more feminine in SF3 then she does in Final Fight indicating that Poison had the Sex Change.

But, as what has been revealed to me in a discussion on another forum where this came up, is that Poison having a Sex Change would not make her sound more feminine unless she had said Sex Change during Puberty. Most Trans sound more Feminine over time due to practicing there voice to sound more feminine.

The Comic has done nothing to indicate Zangief is Gay, so they probably won't do anything to indicate that Poison's a man.

Course, nothing in the Comic contradicts Zangief being Gay either.

[Bowling Pin]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


It´s Capcom´s idea (and Capcom USA´s fault), not mine.

But frankly, i´ll take Capcom of Japan over Capcom USA any day. I don´t need the american versions of "Evil Ryu" and "Akuma".

CANON SCRUB

[Enzan]

zangeifs' gay?

[Sano]

Yep. Go to the Address in TiamatRoar's sig for all the details regarding that and everything else about Street Fighter.

[EVIL5150]

I have no idea how Zangief is supposed to be gay. Tiamat says he has official confirmation. I don't know wht that means. Zangief never acts gay. If we're gonna call Zangief gay we may as well call any character gay. OOh Bison wears a cape! He's Gay!

Ok now if Poison's not a transexual or a woman how do you explain the breasts and hips and general fem-sexy appearence? A simple transvestite wouldn't have breasts.

[Admiral Akbar]

Originally posted by EVIL5150
I have no idea how Zangief is supposed to be gay. Tiamat says he has official confirmation. I don't know wht that means. Zangief never acts gay. If we're gonna call Zangief gay we may as well call any character gay. OOh Bison wears a cape! He's Gay!

Ok now if Poison's not a transexual or a woman how do you explain the breasts and hips and general fem-sexy appearence? A simple transvestite wouldn't have breasts.

HOMOPHOBE'D

Contrary to what you may think, just cause someone doesn't act "gay", doesn't mean they arent. Stereotypes suck, so stop fucking use them.

[TiamatRoar]

Funnily enough, a big hairy muscular man is the Japanese stereotype for gay.

[TAS]

I have no idea how Zangief is supposed to be gay.

You mean aside from the fact in one of his endings he's flexing in front of a mirror and smiling at a picture of Vega.

Also what about his special intro in Capcom Vs SNK2 where him and Eagle spin around together, and Eagle is officialy gay as well, ie Capcom's two gay characters have a special intro which is no suprise, but further shows the fact Zangief is gay.

And Eagle is a Freddy Mercury tribute, which is why he is gay, cause Freddy was gay, plus in CvS2 he remarks how good looking Rock Howard is, and how Morrigan's charms wont work on him, even though succubus (like Morrigan) are supposed to be able to seduce any man, well any straight man.

If you're wondering what other fighting game characters are gay, I know that Venom and Zato of Guilty Gear are officialy gay, in there's a chance that Ky and Sol might be gay/bi-sexual as weird as that would be.

[TiamatRoar]

I thought Venom was gay but Zato was not (or the other way around. Forget which way, though. One lusted after the other but the other was straight or something, I think).

[TAS]

I thought Venom was gay but Zato was not (or the other way around. Forget which way, though. One lusted after the other but the other was straight or something, I think).

Close.

Venom lusted after Zato, but Zato didnt lust for him, although Zato was gay, but when Zato was taken over by the shadow(s) all that changed, ie he became Billy (which is because his voice actor died)

I didnt really find that suprising though, given the way those chars look and act, but the thing about Sol and Ky really suprised me.

[EVIL5150]

yeah I guess that mirror flexing thing is pretty gay. I just thought it was funny. Like he thinking, "oh my body is so perfect, silly Vega is stupid for thinking I'm ugly 'cause all the women want me." Seeing as how he's always flexing and talking about his perfect body. And I thought that doual windmill thing was just hilarious 'cause they both spin around, 'cept when Eagle does it it's balerina gay.

[crazydiamond]

There are 2987239487987123 more important characters in SF than Poison. Seriously, who cares? At best, she's going to have some minor cameo role way late into the series. And it's not like her gender is going to have anything to do with her role in the story either. Hugo isn't even a major character. Why is his non-playable sidekick getting all this attention?

I take offense to this :u: :P
Did you know the actress that does Chunli's voice in Third Strike also does Poison's?
I always thought Poison was a hermaphrodite...Good to see a thread on her anyways.

[Capcom fan!]

You mean aside from the fact in one of his endings he's flexing in front of a mirror and smiling at a picture of Vega.

Also what about his special intro in Capcom Vs SNK2 where him and Eagle spin around together, and Eagle is officialy gay as well, ie Capcom's two gay characters have a special intro which is no suprise, but further shows the fact Zangief is gay.

And Eagle is a Freddy Mercury tribute, which is why he is gay, cause Freddy was gay, plus in CvS2 he remarks how good looking Rock Howard is, and how Morrigan's charms wont work on him, even though succubus (like Morrigan) are supposed to be able to seduce any man, well any straight man.

If you're wondering what other fighting game characters are gay, I know that Venom and Zato of Guilty Gear are officialy gay, in there's a chance that Ky and Sol might be gay/bi-sexual as weird as that would be.actually in zangiefs ending it shows the mirror broken and scribles all over vega,s picture.I guess he doesn,t like vega.

[Golden Dragon]

Nope he doesn't. The word baka (idiot) is scribbled over the picture of Vega. Zangief dislikes Vega 'cuz Vega thinks Zangief is ugly.

[Rioting Soul]

Wait, but don't ky and Jam have something going on? Well Ky is kind of drawn back when around Jam but maybe Ky's just shy? Ky could be gay but Sol being gay is a destruction of character. You can't be badass and gay. You could in real life I suppose but for a fighting game character that is unneccessary. I know Venom is gay but I thought Zato was Bi. I think I remember it being hinted that Zato and Millia were once lovers, it could have been in a doujin though.

Zangief is gay and finds Vega attractive but Vega is -straight- and thinks Zangief is ugly. Vega's mind is only set on Cammy anyway.

[crazydiamond]

Nope he doesn't. The word baka (idiot) is scribbled over the picture of Vega. Zangief dislikes Vega 'cuz Vega thinks Zangief is ugly.

Yeah that makes sense, because he is admiring himself and Vega is a fool to think Zangief is ugly. Maybe Vega turned him down... wait I don't think Vega is gay.

[CrotchMonkey]

how do i see zangief's special intro in cvs2? whos freddy mercury?

and which game was this ending with the mirror?


man this is kinda funny, finding out all these guys are gay.. they never seemed to show it heh

[crazydiamond]

how do i see zangief's special intro in cvs2? whos freddy mercury?

and which game was this ending with the mirror?


man this is kinda funny, finding out all these guys are gay.. they never seemed to show it heh

1. Whenever Zangief fights Eagle in CVS2 the special intro will take place. They both do their spinning special moves and then pose.

2. Freddy Mercury was the lead singer of the music group Queen. Their most famous hits are Bohemian Rhapsody and We are the Champions I guess.

3. The mirror picture was in the ending for Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Or Super Street Fighter II X Grand Master Challenge in Japan.

[CrotchMonkey]

whoa, so they based it off a singer?

i havent heard much queen but my physics teacher plays it sometimes in class :tup:

[Craptastic!]

How did this topic go from Poison's original gender to the sexuality of other video game characters?

[Hand Hanzo]

2. Freddy Mercury was the lead singer of the music group Queen. Their most famous hits are Bohemian Rhapsody and We are the Champions I guess.


You forgot We Will Rock You.

[ParryAll]

I don't care what Poison is, she is damn fuckin hot in her 3s sprite. All 3s art of her, and subsequent Alpha 2/3 art of her, is damnnnnnnn sexy, and her voice is ultra sexy in 3s as well.

I don't care what some Capcom mook says, I'd hit that a thousand times if I were an animated 3s sprite.

If someone came out and said Chun-Li was a man though I could understand, but poison is too damn hot to be a man, goddamnit!

Also I ain't never seen a transvestite that looked even 10% like a real woman, but poison pulls it off 110% cause she not only looks 100% like a woman, she's hotter than 90% of the video game chicks i've ever seen.

[CptMunta]

I always imagined Poison being a man in the Japanese guide book to be bit of insiders joke, poking fun at Capcom USA Turning her into a Dude for the US SNES version of Final Fight. I was a bit pissed off to see poison replaced by a man on the GBA version as well. She/He/It is a bit of a Capcom Icon I reckon.

[Sano]

Yikes, bumping this ol' 2 year old thread, one of the most heavily debated SF storyline subjects that has nothing to do with the comic at all? I know we stray here and there, but after Capcom Classics Collection's release I really don't see any room for doubt here on this subject.

BTW, Sirlin who works for Digital Eclipse and is also a poster here at SRK, also confirmed that the bios on Capcom Classics Collection had to recieve approvals from Capcom of Japan, and he worked on the game himself. Poison's bio in that game says that Poison's a man, it's in the English version and it's there for everyone to see.

Read the first link/web address in my sig and look up Poison. Or go play/rent Capcom Classics Collection, beat Final Fight with any character and go read Poison's bio. Poison's bio from that game is in the first link in my sig if you don't feel like playing that game. Poison hasn't appeared in the SF comic yet and I see no reason to get into this ordeal again in the SF Comics Forum. If it still urks you, start a thread in the General Discussions Thread or something and be prepared to be flamed, because it won't the first time this site has seen a thread on this subject and it won't be the last.