View Full Version : Canon-wise, does Ryu have Dejin-hadou?
EndLeSS8
03-04-2004, 10:06 PM
I personally doesn't think that he does.
Apart from the actual game itself, I haven't read any stories, canon or non-canon, or seen any semi-decent art, canon or non-canon, of Ryu throwing Denjin-Hadouken. We all know that he does indeed have Shinkuu Hadou, and ShinSho, but I think Denjin was a pseudo-filler SA.
We also know that Ryu has powerful kicks canon-wise (CE, turbo, etc, Ryu's Tatsumaki improved so that he could knock down in 1 hit, while Ken was known to have crazy fast kicks, so he got his eggbeater tatsumaki) so it is believable that the got that Joudan Geri (boot kick in SF3) in SF3.
No where else does Capcom state that Ryu learned to channel electricity in a form of a hadouken. In addition, gameplay wise, SF3 is the only game which Ryu has Denjin....All of Ken's SA's in SF3 have been shown in other games.
Your thoughts? If you do refute me, please give me some evidence, that would be appreciated.
Ryu's official move list
Ryu
Throws:
Seoi Nage
Tomoe Nage
Command Attacks:
Sakotsuwari
Kyubi Kauduki
Seichuu Nidan Tsuki
Special Moves:
Hadouken
Shakunettsu Hadouken
Shoryuken
Tatsumaki Senpukyaku
Jordan Sokutou Geri
Super Arts:
Shinku Hadouken
Dejin Hadouken
Shin Shoryuken
Metsu Shoryuken
Shinku Tatsumaki Senpukyaku
Who says Ryu never changes? (gameplay wise)
No where else does Capcom state that Ryu learned to channel electricity in a form of a hadouken. In addition, gameplay wise, SF3 is the only game which Ryu has Denjin....All of Ken's SA's in SF3 have been shown in other games.
The Dejin Hadouken is also in SFEX3. You can say SFEX isnt canon, but almost all the moves in it are, ie Capcom liked so much they just stole them and decided to add them to the character's official move list, the first of which being Bison's kick grab, first showed up in SFEX, but the first Cacpom game it was in was Capcom Vs SNK.
If its Capcom game, and its canon, then the moves are canon, ie
Street Fighter
Street Fighter Alpha (series)
Street Fighter 2 (series)
Street Fighter 3 (series)
The only exception is Evil Ryu's Shun Goku Satsu.
There are other canon moves that dont appear in those games though, like Bison's kick grab as I mentioned.
Evidence would be the "All About" books
Ryu also gained a new move in Capcom Fighting All Stars, ie his "finishing move" which the was Kaze No Kobushi (fist of wind), the move that KO'd Ken in one punch in RYU FINAL.
Also, CvS2 Evil Ryu has Metsu Hadoken, which is basically Denjin Hadoken except he can't control how long it charges.
What's Metsu Shoryuken?
EndLeSS8
03-04-2004, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by TAS
Ryu's official move list
Who says Ryu never changes? (gameplay wise)
The Dejin Hadouken is also in SFEX3. You can say SFEX isnt canon, but almost all the moves in it are, ie Capcom liked so much they just stole them and decided to add them to the character's official move list, the first of which being Bison's kick grab, first showed up in SFEX, but the first Cacpom game it was in was Capcom Vs SNK.
If its Capcom game, and its canon, then the moves are canon, ie
Street Fighter
Street Fighter Alpha (series)
Street Fighter 2 (series)
Street Fighter 3 (series)
The only exception is Evil Ryu's Shun Goku Satsu.
There are other canon moves that dont appear in those games though, like Bison's kick grab as I mentioned.
Evidence would be the "All About" books
Ryu also gained a new move in Capcom Fighting All Stars, ie his "finishing move" which the was Kaze No Kobushi (fist of wind), the move that KO'd Ken in one punch in RYU FINAL.
Ok, the official movelist I'll take as canon.
But again, no offense I won't take EX as canon. As for CvS, that's not canon either. I really do like EX a lot, it's fun, and I follow the story, and I like the story (as little info as there is, esp the supporting chars) but I think both are more of a side-story. Same with CvS2, you can't really use reverse justification because those games are officially non-canon.
The "All About Capcom", I don't have the actual book, but I will try to find scans of it to check again.
I haven't kept up with the info of CAS, but I'll take your word on it.
Originally posted by TAS
Ryu also gained a new move in Capcom Fighting All Stars, ie his "finishing move" which the was Kaze No Kobushi (fist of wind), the move that KO'd Ken in one punch in RYU FINAL.
Haha. I remember that thing. We called it "Shin Standing Fierce" when we saw the preview videos. It's really too bad that it's never going to be released. Since i'm such a combo fanatic, i would love to be able to get my hands on even a beta of the game just to see what sorts of things they had thought up. I really hope someone in Japan manages to get a copy somehow and makes some videos. Wishful thinking, i know ...
What's Metsu Shoryuken?
The move (Evil) Ryu used to scar Sagat's chest, its basicly Ryu's Shoryu Reppa or Metsu Gou Shoryu.
The Metsu Shoryuken is more long range and travels the screen, where as the Shin Shoryuken is more close range.
Both are strong as hell, but the metsu one is more "evil" while the shin one is more "pure" (in SFA3 the Metsu one takes away more I believe)
But again, no offense I won't take EX as canon. As for CvS, that's not canon either.
Well you shouldnt take them as canon considering CvS1 is a crossover and SFEX is made by ARIKA, but just because the storyline is un-canon dosnt mean the moves are, ie its like saying Ryu doing the hadouken isnt canon just cause he does it in SFEX.
I really do like EX a lot, it's fun, and I follow the story, and I like the story (as little info as there is, esp the supporting chars)
Most people dont know the EX storyline though, ie most people dont know that in EX2 Kairi kills Akuma, and/or in SFEX3 Kairi & Hokuto kill one another.
but I think both are more of a side-story.
Not side stories, alternate realities, its like this
Universe A - Street Fighter Universe
Universe B - King Of Fighters Universe
Universe C - Marvel Universe
Universe D - Street Fighter EX Universe
Universe E - Capcom Vs SNK Universe
Universe F - Marvel Vs Capcom Universe
Basicly there are ALOT of univereses within Capcom's fighting games (although EX isnt theirs) and each universe has it own storyline, the stories may start off similar, but at a certain point in time they change, ie Ryu's storyline up until all those games is the same but once his character hits that point of where those games start then his story begins to change along with everyone else involved.
I haven't kept up with the info of CAS, but I'll take your word on it.
Well it got canceled, but people have gotten the chance to play it, lucky or un-lucky depending on the person's opinions, but my friends/sources are game testers, and they of course played it which is really the only reason why I really know anything about CFAS.
EDIT:
Haha. I remember that thing. We call called it "Shin Standing Fierce" when we saw the preview videos. It's really too bad that it's never going to be released. Since i'm such a combo fanatic, i would love to be able to get my hands on even a beta of the game just to see what sorts of things they had thought up. I really hope someone in Japan manages to get a copy somehow and makes some videos. Wishful thinking, i know ...
I used to have some of the vids of it on my comp, like Batsu Vs Charlie, but I dont anymore. M, you got a link to the Ryu vid?
Yeah it be cool if someone did get there hands on it to make vids so people could make a fairer judgements about it, even though I still thought it looked bad, and I had seen lots of vids, and when I say looked bad I mean visualy, trying to make cartoonish characters looking somewhat realistic never works, example SFEX3.
I still think the game would done a hellva lot better if it had retained Project Justice's look. The CFAS engine is a modified version of PJ's engine, but the major problem with that was Capcom was using technology that was developed by a team that no longer worked for them, Team Naomi, so they didnt know how to properly use the engine, not visualy anyway.
EndLeSS8
03-05-2004, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by TAS
Well you shouldnt take them as canon considering CvS1 is a crossover and SFEX is made by ARIKA, but just because the storyline is un-canon dosnt mean the moves are, ie its like saying Ryu doing the hadouken isnt canon just cause he does it in SFEX.
Most people dont know the EX storyline though, ie most people dont know that in EX2 Kairi kills Akuma, and/or in SFEX3 Kairi & Hokuto kill one another.
Not side stories, alternate realities, its like this
Universe A - Street Fighter Universe
Universe B - King Of Fighters Universe
Universe C - Marvel Universe
Universe D - Street Fighter EX Universe
Universe E - Capcom Vs SNK Universe
Universe F - Marvel Vs Capcom Universe
Basicly there are ALOT of univereses within Capcom's fighting games (although EX isnt theirs) and each universe has it own storyline, the stories may start off similar, but at a certain point in time they change, ie Ryu's storyline up until all those games is the same but once his character hits that point of where those games start then his story begins to change along with everyone else involved.
Well it got canceled, but people have gotten the chance to play it, lucky or un-lucky depending on the person's opinions, but my friends/sources are game testers, and they of course played it which is really the only reason why I really know anything about CFAS.
I get what you mean, however hadouken is availiable in every incarnation and every reality of SF. Then again, Joudan Geri is canon imo, and it's only in SF3.
Yea, I know the EX story. Kairi kills Akuma, and Kairi and Hokuto are destined to kill each other, even though they are related (I forgot if they were brother or sister or not), but Nanase is destined to stop them from fighting. Kairi has a bad memory lapse. Allen's first loss in a fight came from Ken, who basically inspires him to train harder. D.Dark went insane after he was the only survivor from an attack from Rolento. Durun is the bodyguard of Pullum, who apparently is a princess. Skullomania is some normal dude turned superhero. CrackerJack wants to become a member of Shadaloo. What I meant was support characters, like Allen, have basically 3 sentence storylines.
Ok, I'll rephrase my title: There isn't much info given to make Denjin Hadouken seem canon.
King9999
03-05-2004, 01:09 PM
Just wanted to add that Metsu Shoryuken is not worth the 3 bars. :)
If you want to see it in action, play Alpha 3.
BBCampbell
03-05-2004, 01:23 PM
Why wouldn't it be?
I mean, just because you see/don't see a move in a game doesn't mean the character has/doesn't have it.
Examples:
Ken: Shippu Jinrai Kyaku
Has it in SFA3, which happens before SF2, yet he doesn't have it in SF2. He has it again in SF3.
Chun Li: Tenshou Kyaku
Has it from SFA to SSF2T. Doesn't use it in SF3.
Sen-en Shuu
Has it in the Alpha series only.
Denjin will become storyline-important when and only when he needs to use it for something. Probably when Capcom wants to remind gamers that he has it.
Has the Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku EVER been storyline-important? No.
Has he ever not had the move?
No.
Bowling Pin
03-05-2004, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by TAS
Universe E - Capcom Vs SNK Universe
Universe F - Marvel Vs Capcom Universe
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/thread55090.php
Originally posted by TAS
I used to have some of the vids of it on my comp, like Batsu Vs Charlie, but I dont anymore. M, you got a link to the Ryu vid?
Yeah it be cool if someone did get there hands on it to make vids so people could make a fairer judgements about it, even though I still thought it looked bad, and I had seen lots of vids, and when I say looked bad I mean visualy, trying to make cartoonish characters looking somewhat realistic never works, example SFEX3.
Actually, the only reason i mentioned it was because it doesn't matter how crappy a game is, it can still be used to produce really cool combo videos. It's an added bonus that none of us know at all what the game's engine was supposed to be like, so it would be awesome to see someone with some skills showing off what can be done. Of course, the engine's potential and the use of that potential are two different things. Which explains why games with awesome combos can still turn out to be the extreme opposite of fun to play.
The place i got it from was a Japanese video site called Replay Data Land. But unfortunately, they seem to be down now. Here's the URL anyway: http://sk.redbit.ne.jp/~replay/game_movie.html
If i see it somewhere else, i'll let you know. Most standard subscriber sites have the previews though, such as IGN and Gamespot.
Originally posted by King9999
Just wanted to add that Metsu Shoryuken is not worth the 3 bars. :)
If you want to see it in action, play Alpha 3.
Hm. I just looked up Kao Megura's movelist for SFA3 and Ryu's lvl3-only super is listed as the Metsu Shoryuken. That's weird because i imagined it being the triple uppercut super that Ken and Evil Ryu use (from TAS' description). So it doesn't sound like Capcom had a very well-defined idea of what Metsu Shoryuken is supposed to be.
Originally posted by Bowling Pin
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/thread55090.php
That's awesome!
nortlee
03-05-2004, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Majestros
Actually, the only reason i mentioned it was because it doesn't matter how crappy a game is, it can still be used to produce really cool combo videos. It's an added bonus that none of us know at all what the game's engine was supposed to be like, so it would be awesome to see someone with some skills showing off what can be done. Of course, the engine's potential and the use of that potential are two different things. Which explains why games with awesome combos can still turn out to be the extreme opposite of fun to play.
And i'll see if i can find a link for you to those vids. Somebody's gotta have it somewhere.
Hm. I just looked up Kao Megura's movelist for SFA3 and Ryu's lvl3-only super is listed as the Metsu Shoryuken. That's weird because i imagined it being the triple uppercut super that Ken and Evil Ryu use (from TAS' description). So it doesn't sound like Capcom had a very well-defined idea of what Metsu Shoryuken is supposed to be.
Do you think they got it mixed up with Shin Shoryuken? That seems like the biggest possibility for now...
nortlee:
No, because the Alpha 3 version is definately different. He does an elbow lunge attack and if that connects or is blocked, he does what looks like a fierce Shoryuken. If you distance it perfectly, there's a second variation of it where he does the Shin Shoryuken after the elbow connects. It only works from a very specific distance, basically as far away as you can be without it whiffing entirely.
The best way to find this distance is to do low strong, low forward. So you can actually get the whole thing to combo if the low strong is either meaty or counterhit. It looks pretty dope. The combo was found by Hsien in Texas, i believe. But that was way before V-Isms were discovered to be as powerful as they are, back when people used to actually play A-Ryu from time to time.
Thought nowadays, there's something we call the "A3 minigame" which is A-Ryu vs A-Ryu. It comes up when a bunch of good players are gathered (for example at Valle's house), and we only have access to A3 for some reason and nobody wants to bust out a bunch of rusty V-Isms. A-Ryu vs A-Ryu is nothing but footsies and mindgames and good exciting Street Fighter action : )
nortlee
03-05-2004, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Majestros
nortlee:
No, because the Alpha 3 version is definately different. He does an elbow lunge attack and if that connects or is blocked, he does what looks like a fierce Shoryuken. If you distance it perfectly, there's a second variation of it where he does the Shin Shoryuken after the elbow connects. It only works from a very specific distance, basically as far away as you can be without it whiffing entirely.
The best way to find this distance is to do low strong, low forward. So you can actually get the whole thing to combo if the low strong is either meaty or counterhit. It looks pretty dope. The combo was found by Hsien in Texas, i believe. But that was way before V-Isms were discovered to be as powerful as they are, back when people used to actually play A-Ryu from time to time.
Thought nowadays, there's something we call the "A3 minigame" which is A-Ryu vs A-Ryu. It comes up when a bunch of good players are gathered (for example at Valle's house), and we only have access to A3 for some reason and nobody wants to bust out a bunch of rusty V-Isms. A-Ryu vs A-Ryu is nothing but footsies and mindgames and good exciting Street Fighter action : )
Hm sounds like I have to start practising, can't believe I never found that out after all these years, well then again in Alpha 3 Shin Shoryuken was not my most favoured move...
Is there any notable difference to the 2 different types of shoryuken's as in appearence & power?
Thanks for the info btw :)
So what exactly is the Metsa Shoryuken, the fierce Shoryuken Shin shoryuken or what? sorry I've goten myself lost, meh :S
The Metsu Shoryuken is the one that goes across the screen and Evil Ryu uses in SFA3, and the Shin Shoryuken is the one that has the gut punches.
The two names are often mixed up or are mislabeled, but the Metsu "Destruction" one is the "evil" version which is why Evil Ryu has it, but Ryu also knows how to use it, though I think canon wise he's only ever used it against Sagat when he became Evil Ryu for that short period of time.
Well, this is how the SFA3 Ryu Metsu Shoryuken looks normally.
http://lowfierce.com/sfcmedia/random/sfa3-ryu-lvl3uppercut.gif
(taken from http://www.fightersgeneration.com)
If you connect with the very tip of the elbow as described in my previous post, instead of following up the elbow with what looks like a fierce DP, he follows it up with what looks like a Shin Shoryuken. In other words, after the elbow connects, he turns around and does the uppercut from the front, using the same sprites that are used for his Shin Shoryuken in MvC2.
As i said before and as TAS seems to be saying, maybe there was a mistake in calling this move the Metsu Shoryuken. Cuz from what TAS says, the Metsu Shoryuken should look like Ken's Shoryu Reppa. But Kao Megura's SFA3 FAQ calls SFA3 Ryu's lvl3 super the Metsu Shoryuken, and he's usually right on about these things. So maybe it was either a mistake on Capcom's part, or Ryu keeps changing his mind about what the Metsu Shoryuken really looks like.
I'm curious though, where was it said that Sagat used the Metsu Shoryuken to scar Sagat? Cuz in both the SF Anime and the Udon comic, Ryu did it with what looked like a simple HP Shoryuken.
nortlee
03-05-2004, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Majestros
Well, this is how the SFA3 Ryu Metsu Shoryuken looks normally.
http://lowfierce.com/zrandom/sfa3-ryu-lvl3uppercut.gif
(taken from http://www.fightersgeneration.com)
If you connect with the very tip of the elbow as described in my previous post, instead of following up the elbow with what looks like a fierce DP, he follows it up with what looks like a Shin Shoryuken. In other words, after the elbow connects, he turns around and does the uppercut from the front, using the same sprites that are used for his Shin Shoryuken in MvC2.
As i said before and as TAS seems to be saying, maybe there was a mistake in calling this move the Metsu Shoryuken. Cuz from what TAS says, the Metsu Shoryuken should look like Ken's Shoryu Reppa. But Kao Megura's SFA3 FAQ calls SFA3 Ryu's lvl3 super the Metsu Shoryuken, and he's usually right on about these things. So maybe it was either a mistake on Capcom's part, or Ryu keeps changing his mind about what the Metsu Shoryuken really looks like.
I'm curious though, where was it said that Sagat used the Metsu Shoryuken to scar Sagat? Cuz in both the SF Anime and the Udon comic, Ryu did it with what looked like a simple HP Shoryuken.
I'll give that Shin shoryuken a tester tomorrow thanks for the info man :)
I think Kao Megura must have been wrong, if you play Street Fighter 1 all Ryu has is the tatsumaki senpu kyaku, hado ken & shoryu ken just like in the first 4 versions of SF2, there was no such thing as a super combo, I'm just gonna vote it out as incorrect, shin shoryuken was more of an Alpha attribute by origin, though if it was ever in the comics as Ryu didn't have it in SF2 Udon should move it up to part of his training in the SF3 plot branch IMO.
From the SF Plot Canon Guide...
Back when the original SF2 was first coming to the Super Nintendo, Nintendo Power stated that Sagat developed the Tiger Uppercut to counter Ryu's shoryuken (the resemblance between the two moves is pretty obvious). I believe several other magazines did, too. I'm not 100% sure if it's canon, but it's extremely probable that it is. In Street Fighter 1, Sagat doesn't have the tiger uppercut. In Street Fighter Alpha 2, he doesn't have it either and instead has the Tiger Blow. Sagat's ending in SFA2 shows him tiger uppercutting while saying that he needs to develop something stronger than the tiger blow to defeat Ryu. And in SFA3, he has the tiger uppercut (albeit in X-Ism only). Thus, he almost positively did learn the tiger uppercut after SFA2 and in retaliation to Ryu's shoryuken (because that's what Ryu beat him with. Well, the metsu shoryuken but you
get the drift).
I just checked a move FAQ, and this is what it listed...
_- Super Moves -_
Shinku Hadoken [A] QCFx2 + P
Shinku Tatsumaki Senpukyaku [A] QCBx2 + K
Metsu Shoryuken (R l3)[A] QCFx2 + K
Shin Shoryuken (R l3)[A] QCFx2 + K (Only if elbow connects at max
distance)
Shungokusatsu (E.R. l3)[A] LP,LP,F,LK,HP
Messatsu Gou Shoryu (E.R.)[A] QCFx2 + K
But the Messatsu Gou Shoryu should be the Metsu Shoryuken, since Ryu never learned the Messatsu Gou Shoryu, but the Shun Goku Satsu is the only move of his that has been stated as not being canon.
Look at this
Shoryuken - Rising Dragon Fist
Shin Shoryuken - True RDF
Metsu Shoryuken - Destructive RDF
Basicly it would make no sense to call an incomplete version of the true version destructive.
The only other move that an SF char that causes confusion is Sakura's Shun Goku Satsu, which people will usualy dissmiss as being canon cause they think its like Akuma's, but its really something that looks similar, ie in Sakura's version she actualy just runs over grabs the opponent then beats the crap out of them, but Capcom made it look similar to Akuma's (in the SF games) so its named the same thing to avoid confusion, like someone would say "Why does Sakura's version have a diffrient name if it looks exactly the same?" the only time the move is shown and named correctly is in Rival Schools.
Skyler
03-05-2004, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Majestros
I'm curious though, where was it said that Ryu used the Metsu Shoryuken to scar Sagat? Cuz in both the SF Anime and the Udon comic, Ryu did it with what looked like a simple HP Shoryuken.
Evil-Ryus SFA3 ending tells you about how he nail sagat with the metsu shoryu. Pretty cool ending.:cool:
Capcom stated before that ryu was suppose to master the fireball and thats how he learn denjin hadouken. Though I think how evil-ryu got the metsu hadou was because of the SFA anime. when ryu charge the fireball in that anime, it look like the denjin hadouken, but instead it was the dark hadou. I do prefer Evil-Ryu having the fireball cause it look better when he unleashes the fireball. If ryu have those moves in the game, then i consider it cannon.:D
Capcom stated before that ryu was suppose to master the fireball and thats how he learn denjin hadouken. Though I think how evil-ryu got the metsu hadou was because of the SFA anime. when ryu charge the fireball in that anime, it look like the denjin hadouken, but instead it was the dark hadou. I do prefer Evil-Ryu having the fireball cause it look better when he unleashes the fireball. If ryu have those moves in the game, then i consider it cannon.
Its not from the SFA anime at all, the charge fireball has been something Capcom has always wanted to do but never got around to doing, examples of the charge hadouken before SF3
- SF2 anime
- SFA2 intro (tribute to SF2 anime)
- SF2V series
- VS Marvel series (shown beofre Ryu fires the beam)
So basicly the charge with the lightning around it had been shown in lots of areas before SF3, however SF3 was the first place it appeared with an actual name, ie Dejin Hadouken, and was the first time a player was given control over it.
Capcom has pulled LOTS of stuff form the SF2 anime, and the charinging hadouken is only one of them.
The move later showed up in Project Justice and Street Fighter EX3.
EndLeSS8
03-05-2004, 11:24 PM
Ryu never learned Ashura Senkuu (teleport) but Ryu with the Awakened Murderous Intent does have it in the game.
Ryu never learned Ashura Senkuu (teleport) but Ryu with the Awakened Murderous Intent does have it in the game.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one, so the the only moves that Ryu/Evil Ryu dosnt have canonly are
Shun Goku Satsu
Ashura Senkuu
Metsu Hadouken
Skyler
03-06-2004, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by EndLeSS8
Ryu never learned Ashura Senkuu (teleport) but Ryu with the Awakened Murderous Intent does have it in the game.
I think Evil-Ryu was to show off how powerful Ryu would've been if he learn the true ansatsuken. It is a good idea considering you get to see how powerful ryu would've been if he accepted
dark-hadou. Shoot, he would've been a god like akuma if he accepted the dark-hadou from the start.:eek:
I think Evil-Ryu was to show off how powerful Ryu would've been if he learn the true ansatsuken. It is a good idea considering you get to see how powerful ryu would've been if he accepted
dark-hadou. Shoot, he would've been a god like akuma if he accepted the dark-hadou from the start.
Actually Ryu would of more than likely been killed if he had embraced the Satsu No Hadou early on, because he was unstable when he submitted to it, and would have amnesia after using, kinda similar the way he was in the SFA anime. He's not stable like the Evil Ryu in SFA3.
And no he wouldnt of been god like either, because by SF3 Ryu is at the same power level Evil Ryu was in SFA3.
Also just cause someone embraces the Satsu No Hadou, dosnt mean theyll learn the same techniques Akuma has, ie there's no way Evil Ryu could never do the warp or Shun Goku Satsu unless he learned them from Akuma (and Akuma is not one to train anyone)
nortlee
03-07-2004, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by TAS
Actually Ryu would of more than likely been killed if he had embraced the Satsu No Hadou early on, because he was unstable when he submitted to it, and would have amnesia after using, kinda similar the way he was in the SFA anime. He's not stable like the Evil Ryu in SFA3.
And no he wouldnt of been god like either, because by SF3 Ryu is at the same power level Evil Ryu was in SFA3.
Also just cause someone embraces the Satsu No Hadou, dosnt mean theyll learn the same techniques Akuma has, ie there's no way Evil Ryu could never do the warp or Shun Goku Satsu unless he learned them from Akuma (and Akuma is not one to train anyone)
I don't know whether this is true or not, I can't remember if it was here or elsewhere but someone once posted something about Akuma having learnt how to perform the Shungokusatsu by finding some scrolls that taught you how to do it, not sure if that is official plot probably not but if that was the case then Ryu would still have a chance at learning the Shingokusatsu, & also had Ryu survived & learnt to cope with the intent he would probably have been strong enough to teach himself the move or something similar, afterall Ryu forever trains & is more powerful than Akuma, but then again that is only when he's his honurable self...
I don't know whether this is true or not, I can't remember if it was here or elsewhere but someone once posted something about Akuma having learnt how to perform the Shungokusatsu by finding some scrolls that taught you how to do it, not sure if that is official plot probably not but if that was the case then Ryu would still have a chance at learning the Shingokusatsu, & also had Ryu survived & learnt to cope with the intent he would probably have been strong enough to teach himself the move or something similar, afterall Ryu forever trains & is more powerful than Akuma, but then again that is only when he's his honurable self...
Akuma and Gouken were taught the Shun Goku Satsu by Goutetsu, so the three of them knew it, but Akuma killed Goutetsu and Gouken, so now Akuma is the only who knows it.
And no Ryu could not teach it to himself, ie you couldnt do a specific kind of kick unless you saw someone do it, or someone showed you how to it, and the Shun Goku Satsu is the most dangerous move in the SF universe both offesively and defensively, because its just as dangerous to the user as it is to the victim, ie if Akuma did it wrong he could kill himself, so even if Ryu saw Akuma do the Shun Goku Satsu and then tried to mimic it he'd probaly kill himself, cause he wouldnt know how to do it properly. Its not really something you can practice unless you know exactly what you're doing (which Akuma does/did, because he was taught it)
nortlee
03-07-2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by TAS
Akuma and Gouken were taught the Shun Goku Satsu by Goutetsu, so the three of them knew it, but Akuma killed Goutetsu and Gouken, so now Akuma is the only who knows it.
And no Ryu could not teach it to himself, ie you couldnt do a specific kind of kick unless you saw someone do it, or someone showed you how to it, and the Shun Goku Satsu is the most dangerous move in the SF universe both offesively and defensively, because its just as dangerous to the user as it is to the victim, ie if Akuma did it wrong he could kill himself, so even if Ryu saw Akuma do the Shun Goku Satsu and then tried to mimic it he'd probaly kill himself, cause he wouldnt know how to do it properly. Its not really something you can practice unless you know exactly what you're doing (which Akuma does/did, because he was taught it)
I always find all the different versions of the story of SF I hear interesting, thanks :)
But why did Goutetsu teach Akuma the Shungokusatsu? Goutetsu wasn't evil was he because then Gouken would have probably been seduced by the Murderous Intent too :S
EndLeSS8
03-07-2004, 03:36 PM
They had the option to use it, but not the option to learn it; if a teacher teaches you math, you need to learn all parts of it to fully comprehend it and embrace it. He wanted to teach them both Ansatsuken in the purest form so they would be pure successors to the martial art.
Skyler
03-10-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by TAS
Actually Ryu would of more than likely been killed if he had embraced the Satsu No Hadou early on, because he was unstable when he submitted to it, and would have amnesia after using, kinda similar the way he was in the SFA anime. He's not stable like the Evil Ryu in SFA3.
And no he wouldnt of been god like either, because by SF3 Ryu is at the same power level Evil Ryu was in SFA3.
Also just cause someone embraces the Satsu No Hadou, dosnt mean theyll learn the same techniques Akuma has, ie there's no way Evil Ryu could never do the warp or Shun Goku Satsu unless he learned them from Akuma (and Akuma is not one to train anyone)
it is true that if he accepts the dark-hadou, he couldnt control his powers. But imagine if he had learn the true ansatsuken at an early age, shoot ken and ryu would be alot more powerful than what they are today. It took years for ryu to finally reach the same level as evil ryu was(who took out the muay thai champion with 1 dragon punch)ryu trains alot too, so he would've been close to god like powers like akuma already. Even akuma say that ryu was hiding his true potential and if he uses his full strenght, his past battles will be nothing but childs play. Ryu could've learn all of akumas move if gouken taught the moves to him, but he didnt, instead he gave ryu a tone down version.:mad:
KENSHIIN-HIMURA
03-13-2004, 08:18 PM
yea ryu is my fav and what knot. i would of loved to see him with the dark intent and be almost go like. but not to worry ryu fans. you forget that oro is now training ryu. and oro is god like in this fighting. hell he has 1 arm and he beat ryu. dat tells u about his skillz. not to mention he can move stuff with his mind/finger or whatever.
TAS:
This is taken from VidOp front page. (i can do that cuz it's my site hehe)
The first preview video of Sammy's upcoming fighting game Rumble Fish is available on the media section at www.SNK-Capcom.com. While you're there, also check out their Capcom Fighting All stars demo video. It's too bad the player stands up during Ryu's "Shin Standing Fierce" fatality and blocks the screen during most of it. CFAS is slowly becoming Capcom's Thrill Kill.
[quote] CFAS is slowly becoming Capcom's Thrill Kill.[/qoute]
THRILL KILL!!!
OMG that game was so f'd up, example a dominatrix orgasims will killing you was only one of the weird/freaky/grostesque things found within the game.
I knew someone that had actually played the game, and he said how much he loved it.
I remember reading that the game was completely finished, but the head of the company publishing it killed it. How many times does that ever happen?
But, thanks for the info/link, even though I post on C-S forums all the time, but Im always forgetting about the site's actual content.
Shinra358
09-01-2007, 10:57 AM
kairi never killed akuma.........the wiki is a lie becuz itll say he did kill akuma one day and then the next itll say that he didnt. unless u can prove this then kairi did not kill akuma. just cuz he wasnt in ex2 and ex3 doesnt mean he's dead.
vasili10
09-02-2007, 03:27 PM
kairi never killed akuma.........the wiki is a lie becuz itll say he did kill akuma one day and then the next itll say that he didnt. unless u can prove this then kairi did not kill akuma. just cuz he wasnt in ex2 and ex3 doesnt mean he's dead.
Point taken. Saiki I believe said that, but like most of his claims, justified or not, it was without a source given. I know I'm unable to prove it at this time.
For the thread's question, yes he does. Super moves are confirmed to be part of a fighter's repretoire of attacks, given the fact that various Zero 2 accounts are precisely about them.
And as another side note since it came up, Goutetsu didn't teach anyone the SGS, and he never knew or performed it himself. He only mentioned to Gouki and Gouken that it exists.
Wellman
09-02-2007, 08:50 PM
Denjin-Hadou isn't shown outside of SF3, because Capcom thought/thinks that people just want SF2, so whenever you see Ryu (in crossovers) he is similar to his most basic incarnation. That and most anime, comics or whatever is usally based around SF2 so...
Huh? It's Labor Day Weekend! Go to a barbecue like I'm about to and don't spend time bumping a three year old what is now off topic thread! :rofl: Anyway, the main question has already been answered I feel - thanks again vasili10 and Wellman. Seriously, Ryu's not at the point of having a Denjin Hadouken in the comic, the English version of the Ryu Final manga is not out yet and only EX character I see in an American comic is Skullomania's cameo in the SF Legends Sakura comic, really no reason to keep this going on this forum. If you wish, please move this conversation over to the Warrior's Fate thread in the Fan Fiction forum, but for right now since this is not really about any comic whatsoever - LOCKED!
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