SF Issue 6 Spoiler Thread

[Sano]

Another great Ish!

Retsu in the house! Seeing him getting beat down by young Satsui No Ryu was a trip.

Great explanation on how Sakura gets the white headband!

So, Rose leaves Cammy in front of M1-6 instead of Balrog(Ninja), interesting!

I wonder if Gouki will actually sign up for the SF2 Tourney...

I kind of wanted the 'core four' to meet up, but I guess I'll have to wait a bit more. Take a bow, Studio Udon!

[Enzan]

i just picked it up havent read it yet. i was torn between the alvin lee and power foil cover. but i stuck with good ol alvin. the akuma one was cool but i really like the shotokan cover and besides i dont want to shell out 15 bucks for it, not after i paid 20 for shinkiro

okay im done reading. i thought it was alright. the sakura thing was pretty funny. overall the first arc was pretty cool, even with some flaws it was still great. great job udon. us fans appreciate your efforts and dedication.

i am eagerly waitting for the second. i wish u guys the best and street fighter great longevity. keep em comming.

[m121akuma]

HOT DAMN that was a cool fight. Seeing Akuma rape everyone was tight.

BWAHAHAH, Ryu gets stuck with Sakky! That's funny as hell to me for some reason. Although I guess this means the end of Kei, unless she tags along as well.

I can't wait for Cammy's story to evolve. There has always been so much untapped potential in Delta Red Cammy.

[Bowling Pin]

Akuma: *kicks Ken's ass* You're not focused. You're pussywhipped, aren't you?

Ken: :o

Sakura: OMG RYU!!! :D HI I'M SAKURA YOUR BIGGEST FAN!!!

Akuma: *bitchslaps Sakura with complete abandon*

Ryu: :mad: *gets owned*

Meanwhile...

ZANGIEF STOP EATING PPL

[Sano]

All that stuff in the cheap shots about accepting 'Gief is extra funny if you know he's really Gay!

[Skyler]

:eek:

ok, Ryu/Ken vs. Akuma fight was tight. Akuma just show ryu and ken what's up.

:lol: Sakura getting bitch slap was phat. She had it coming anywayz for being stupid and thinking she can hang with akuma. :lol: i wish akuma would slap her twice again. *sigh* my favorite moment in the SF storyline now. :lol:

Sakura: ryu ill even fight this guy to prove myself
worthy *runs up to akuma"
Ryu: wait, what the hell are you doing?
Akuma: hmmm.... this girl running towards me looks very similiar. ah-ha the dragon ball z scene with cell and satan. Now to show my version of the 1 hand bitch slap. *sakura runs up to akuma and BANG, Akuma bitch slap sakura's candy ass across the tree into Kei*:lol:
Sakura: note to self, your not Mr. Satan here.

[Sagatryu]

Master Akuma is a happy person with happy feelings all of the time.

[King9999]

Excellent issue from start to finish!

I liked seeing Retsu get owned by Ryu. What the hell was Sakura thinking? :D Akuma was a total badass...not only did he put the smackdown on Ken, he told him straight-up why he sucked so bad. :lol: Gotta ditch the people you care about...

Loved the Cheap Shots...Zangief has come a long way :) Looks like he's a little too excited in the last panel... :lol:

[JINoside]

Good Stuff!!!....

I loved the Cheap Shot with Zangief. Simply loved it. I've always liked Zangief so it got me kinda emotional. Good Stuff indeed!......

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

Master Gouken: "Stand down, Ryu!"

...Is that suppose to be a typo? It's suppose to be "Stand UP Ryu!", right?

If not, what does Stand down mean?

Pretty good issue by the way, keep it up.

[udoneko]

Stand down is like "back off"

[RoninChaos]

I like how Ryu as a little kid did a jump kick just like in A3. TIGHT.

[wakasashe]

Not enough praise has been given to this great ending issue to the first arc. It was awesome, and made my day! Some loose ends were tied, the action was intense, and (the greatest) I was surprized by events in the storyline. So I was definately happy with this and I only know I'm more excited for the next arc. It's gonna be a hell of a lot of surprizes I'm sure. Cheapshots...funny as ever. Great.
Thanks Udon! You done us proud.

[udoneko]

We try.. every day.. we try....

Thank you all for your kind words. I am glad that you are liking issue 6. We spend a lot of time building things up to where this is. From day one, this fight is what we planned for as the end of the first arc. Gotta end it with a bang you know? And I am very happy as to how this turns out.

Now going back to making the next epic arc.....

[Gojira]

Great issue. Sakura's random challenge (HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER!!) seemed really dumb of her at first, but then you realize she really wasn't paying any attention to Akuma's fighting earlier. :P

Retsu's appearance = dope. Finally, a nod to one of SF1's leftover characters.

Sakura travelling with Ryu is a potential good idea but it could just as easily destroy Sakura's character if she goes too far into the goofy sidekick stereotype. I'll wait and see how it plays out before I say more about it.

There's only one minor thing I didn't like: when Sakura bows respectfully to Ryu, her hands are behind her back. In Japan women are taught and expected to put their hands crossed in their lap when they bow, especially when showing respect. Minor nitpick, though.

Well done Udon! Try Next Stage!

[Jahnli]

anyone else think cheap shots is the best comic tribute to SF so far? it rings true and you can tell the artist is committed man. when some artists are like *oh i never heard of character X, but ...* it's a bit of a letdown even if the art is awesome. so kudos to you for picking a page an issue to tell it like it was!

[jojo]

man, i had to jump on that akuma cover.... its pimp.

as for the comic, it was bad ass. much props to the udon staff for such a good comic! keep it up.:cool:

cant wait till the next one.

[Sano]

I liked how Gouki described why he killed Gouken. Gouki is not that evil, he just lives by his own warrior's code. He may be evil by our standards, but the fact is that in that issue he could of killed Ken, Ryu, Guile and Sakura easy but he didn't. He won't murder you if you are not on his level. The Comic captured this aspect of Gouki perfectly.

It was really cool that Ken tried to smack Gouki with a flaming Shoryuken. In the Japanese Version of SF3 Second Impact, when Ken goes up against Gouki he remarks that he wants to see Ken's Burning Fist once more. If Gouki caught a glmpse of Ken's fist while he was teleporting away, that fits very well.

Sakura training with Ryu reminds me of her Pocket Fighter ending. Ryu's not very enthusiastic about training Sakura in that game either.

My absolute favorite part was when Ryu smacked Gouki with a Super Hurricane Kick.

I like how Satsui No Ryu is depicted the way he would actually really be like, and not doing things like performing the Shun Goku Satsu, a move he's probably never even seen.

Of course I buy every single cover and foil cover! If you didn't know that, let me introduce myself, 'my name is sano...'

[jz_chu237]

....... (The sound of speechless-ness).

Wow, I am so impressed with issue 6, it really was exceptional. Congratulations on Udon for creating such an astounding comic and for reaching it's first major milestone (excluding the launch -obviously). [HUGE APPLAUSE by me]

I really love the way in which the flashbacks were integrated into the very cool showdown, the whole atmosphere is very reminiscent of the one found in issue 0 which i loved.

I wasn't however so keen on the switch of artist at the end, i think it would only have been fitting for Arnold or Alvin to have illustrated that scene.

I, for one really appreciate the comments left by Erik and all the artists at the end. Though, i'm really disappointed with Alvin - not for his art, but for the fact that he smokes. As a non-smoker, it pains me to see someone so talented killing himself.

THANK YOU UDON!

[udoneko]

Originally posted by jz_chu237
....... Though, i'm really disappointed with Alvin - not for his art, but for the fact that he smokes. As a non-smoker, it pains me to see someone so talented killing himself.


Same here..... LOL. I am a non-smoker/borderline anti-smoker and at one point, I actually managed to get Alvin to quit smoking.... but I guess the pressure of work got on him and he started again......

[shadowzer0]

man, Akuma is just pure ownage. He wipes the floor on Ryu and Ken. Well, that part where sakura got smacked was j/kz.

jz_chu237: Heh, how did u kno Alvin smokes?

Well like said before, the guy has to put up with alot of pressure. Look the the Toronto Convention Center Comic Expo thingy, he was doing sketches non stop (I got greedy too, i got a few :p)
Basically he was doing sketches for the fans while not sure who was the person, but that guy asked Alvin to help him do sketches in between :p hehe pretty jokes too from what i recall "Do some better ones for me Alvin". And he wanted like 20 or so from him. Anyways after Alvin's arm started to kill and he went for a break, when he came back he put a pack of cigerettes in his pocket. Man, that day I went broke after buying issue #0's to get the sketches :p

Btw, Erik is the poster out yet?

[wakasashe]

Originally posted by BBCampbell
Nice job, Udon!

Gotta love Sakura getting pw ned by Gouki. That part had me laughing out loud. Maybe she learned more from Dan than we thought...

Also, anyone else notice Ryu's low forward into the Hadou Ken?

Yes! It certainly makes me happy when people point these combos/moves out. Once in awhile I'll see something in the comic and I've gotta pull out my games to perform the specific combo. Priceless.

[TiamatRoar]

Aw, it doesn't seem like there'll be any more grumpy surly Kei, now :( She was my favorite. ...but on the bright side, now it seems she's been replaced by grumpy surly Ryu. I mean, just look at the guy mope as Sakura tags along. Hilarity :lol:

I like how Rose dressed Cammy in a variation of her own outfit :D

[hitshiro]

:lol: great stuff, u guys are so opinionated (sp?)

i too loved this issue, great end to start a great beginning :D

just reading through this issue makes me wanna do a fanart now....but gotta finish up stuff for school first:(

:lol: is zangief really gay? that would make the cheap shots even more funny :p

what's the deal with ken having to stay cause eliza is pregnant? it's not like she's gonna have the baby anytime soon, 9 months is enough time for him to go with ryu and come back for the baby's birth....:lol: but that's not really being a good husband, pregnant women need taken care of i suppose ;)

udon u guys derserve an award!!! and alvin stop smoking!!!!

[Gojira]

Originally posted by hitshiro
:lol: great stuff, u guys are so opinionated (sp?)

what's the deal with ken having to stay cause eliza is pregnant? it's not like she's gonna have the baby anytime soon, 9 months is enough time for him to go with ryu and come back for the baby's birth....:lol: but that's not really being a good husband, pregnant women need taken care of i suppose ;)


Oh, you know he'll sneak off to the SF2 tournament anyway. Eliza will probably have to go looking for him at some point.

[zeronian]

great issue guys. I love how you have everything happening together at once with the Rose/Cammy, Guile/Chun Li, Ryu and friends stuff. it's great how you integrate so many things together. by far my favorite comic recently. and Sal Larroca is next to do a cover and backup I'm creaming myself! :)

[Maj]

Six rocked. It's kind of sad to see Ken get left behind though. He's developing as a really interesting character.

Cheap shots is awesome.

[Time_Stop]

It seems like BBCampbell´s post is labeled as a May post, making it always the last reply.

Anyway.

Now that i´ve read issue 06, i can give my overall opinion on the first arc.

The GOOD:

Characterizations were good. Most of them were dead-on or close enough. Some stuff was questionable, like the Sagat attack on Ryu, but it´s ok. Sakura bothered me (i´ll talk about it on the "bad").

Art was good. I do think the backgounds could use more detail and clarity (they looked too softened and blurry, and the inking seemed sketchy), but it´s overall ok. The inconsistencies in pencillers was acceptable, but could be better.

Dialogue was easy to follow.

The AVERAGE:

The action was all over the place. Some was great (Ryu vs Ryu; Ken vs Ryu; Honda vs Vega; most of Akuma vs Ken and Ryu), some was ok (Bison vs Charlie, Ken vs Vega), some was pretty bad (Guile vs Birdie; Chun-li vs Charlie).

There were momments the fights had a strange pace or were hard to read (was Ryu sweeping Akuma? From that huge distance?).

The BAD:

The writing was too "Hollywood version". It got faster and faster and faster until it just reached zero development. By the end of the story, each segment was cramped and overlapping each other.

Rose came out of nowhere, and instead of staying in the dark, gave major speeches that just had no place happening. A non-SF-fan will look at her and just say "who the hell is this chick?". They won´t be excited to find out either, they´ll just feel they missed an issue.

Cammy going from active to laying in there was a big "WTF". We had nothing in-between (just saying "she lost Ryu" doesn´t cut it). Cammy was too under-developed to have ANYTHING happen to her. It was like seeing Darth Maul suddenly get a plot point with an unknown jedi saying "oh yeah, Maul, you´re just like me, here´s your new life".

It made no sense.

Sakura was pretty bad too. This girl shows up in a completelly fillerish scene, and goes "oh yeah, who cares about Honda, i´ll go for this Ryu guy i´ve never heard about". That was pretty lame.

Guile and Chun-li were pretty fine with their father/friend´s deaths too. Chun-li got one panel of sadness.

Some continuity issues showed up from the apparent need to make everything "cool". In the first page of the series Bison goes from smiling > bad ass > smiling just for the sake of having a nice panel. That happened in a couple fight scenes and money shots too, like the Guile/Chun/Bison fight and when Akuma shows up for Ryu and Ken.

Overall:

It was ok. The writing is a huge issue for me, though. The Cammy and Sakura stuff didn´t belong at all, and the Guile/Chun-li stuff was extremelly under-written.

The arc really needed a few more issues to develop all those plot points.

[jealentus]

Hi everyone. Great issue, it was my favorite so far. I wonder how long it will be until the second street fighter tournament starts? oh one last thing...

Was zangief popping a boner in that last panel of cheap shots?
lol :D

[TiamatRoar]

Yea, it would have been nice to have Shadaloo Cammy fight one of the good guys before the arc was over. Or at least get involved in some way. If good guys recognizing her later would have been an issue, then I guess they could have had her about to get to Ryu then Rose intercept then a fight between her and Rose, instead of skipping to Rose over a downed Cammy.

On a side note, issue 6 felt like it was paced pretty well. It's too bad Udon can't have extra mega sized comics for every issue :)

[The V]

I liked this issue very much. The things that surprised me were Retsu's appearance and Sakura travelling with Ryu. I liked how Akuma/Gouki made good use of his teleport and I liked learning more about Gouken in the flashbacks. I also like the last page because the text and art work well together.

Great issue! Can't wait for # 7.

[Jets]

Time stop pretty much summed it up. When I was finished with this last issue I was like okay that's it. I didnt really get the feeling that the arc was over. It was kinda forced at the same time though. Maybe if we could have seen some of the street fighters actually practicing at the end getting ready for thier next journey we would have got a feelin of some kind of push in a new direction. I don't know. Just really didnt do it for me completely. I do think that you guys can and will continue to do some great stuff.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by Jets
Time stop pretty much summed it up. When I was finished with this last issue I was like okay that's it. I didnt really get the feeling that the arc was over. It was kinda forced at the same time though. Maybe if we could have seen some of the street fighters actually practicing at the end getting ready for thier next journey we would have got a feelin of some kind of push in a new direction. I don't know. Just really didnt do it for me completely. I do think that you guys can and will continue to do some great stuff.

The funny thing is, i think the story was nice. It´s the writing and some of the choices made that didn´t help. If they had the exact same plot with a better pace and development, it could´ve been really sweet.

[osamado]

The funny thing is, i think the story was nice. It´s the writing and some of the choices made that didn´t help. If they had the exact same plot with a better pace and development, it could´ve been really sweet.

Yeah. Well, the Sakura part probably didn't belong come to think about it. Well, it could have been written better. The writing was a little fast paste. Rose giving Cammy a new life could have been explained better or mabye Rose knows Cammy. Chun li and Guile could have been shown more on the sadness part at least a little more. Mabye because Street Fighter is an action comic and wants to avoid too much drama I guess.

Sakura was pretty bad too. This girl shows up in a completelly fillerish scene, and goes "oh yeah, who cares about Honda, i´ll go for this Ryu guy i´ve never heard about". That was pretty lame.

Well, that could have also been explained better. I mean afterall, Ryu is Japan's finest martial artist. Mabye she should have looked to Vega for inspiration since Vega is the one who kicked E.Honda's ass.

Who knows Time_Stop, Mabye Sui Chong will fix some of these problems in later issues.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by osamado


Yeah. Well, the Sakura part probably didn't belong come to think about it. Well, it could have been written better. The writing was a little fast paste. Rose giving Cammy a new life could have been explained better or mabye Rose knows Cammy. Chun li and Guile could have been shown more on the sadness part at least a little more. Mabye because Street Fighter is an action comic and wants to avoid too much drama I guess.



Well, that could have also been explained better. I mean afterall, Ryu is Japan's finest martial artist. Mabye she should have looked to Vega for inspiration since Vega is the one who kicked E.Honda's ass.

Who knows Time_Stop, Mabye Sui Chong will fix some of these problems in later issues.

It can be done.

The thing is: are they going to go for it, or are they going to keep trying to show as many characters and fight scenes as possible?

More important: do the readers care about how good the writing is, or do they care only about how many shoryukens are used and which characters show up?

[udoneko]

Replying to all the comments from Time Stop:

:)

I am not answering your questions becoz if I start explaining why we choose to do the story this way, I will spoil a lot of stuff......

N'uff said.... ;)

[Enzan]

honestly in my opinion i think iwould prefer and enjoy a street fighter comic where the story is more deep and involved, even if there are little fight scenes. i think SF has a a good potential story and great characters, if udon somehow elaborated on their personalities and stuff that would be cool.

as far as fight scenes go, they could just draw the important ones and work more on the story.

but i guess thats more of a novel or manga than really a comic book.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by Enzan
but i guess thats more of a novel or manga than really a comic book.



Sadly, I think that's really true. It's REALLY hard to make a story that has a lot of depth with the current American style of comic books. You really need a lot of pages to do a lot of depth, in which case, manga or novels are more suited to it.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by udoneko
Replying to all the comments from Time Stop:

:)

I am not answering your questions becoz if I start explaining why we choose to do the story this way, I will spoil a lot of stuff......

N'uff said.... ;)

It´s cool. I´m sticking with it. I love SF2 and 3 and wanna see how it goes. My criticism is just because i do care.

[Rhio2k]

I saw the previews for that issue, and I have a question about the Akuma, Ken, Ryu fight: after catching Ken's leg, did Akuma use Ken like a flyswatter against Ryu? It looked like he was going to: he had Ken's leg in a tight grip, with his back to Ken. Ryu had just missed a sweep or something and was crouched in front of Akuma...I'm thinking Akuma picked up Ken and went all "Hassan CHOP!!" on Ryu. Someone let me know please.

[Maj]

Yea that was confusing to me too for a while, but there's a panel where Akuma catches Ryu's leg while he's holding Ken's foot. So i think he throws both of them at the same time, kinda how Bison did with Guile and Chun Li.

[osamado]

Well, this is certainly better, way better than a lot of comics that I have read. Especially the X-books with the current writers.

Street fighter is such a simple story, which makes it easy for it to be entertainable and more readable. A fun comic.

[King9999]

Originally posted by jealentus


Was zangief popping a boner in that last panel of cheap shots?
lol :D

:lol: That's exactly what I was wondering. (See my previous post)

I think Time Stop makes some good points. Udon can probably fix some of your issues by making them "Backstory" segments--most notably Cammy's meeting with Rose, which is the most glaring hole in the entire story arc IMO. And while they're at it, include a backstory on Rose.

[Time_Stop]

Oh, one think i forgot to say: i think Eliza was nicely written.

Chunners and Sakura were kinda under-written, but overall i think the females were shown in a positive light, unlike most "shonen" stories.

I don´t know how that would happen, but i think female gamers would definetly enjoy this aspect of the comic.

[TiamatRoar]

Oh, sometimes the fanservice made me feel like someone slapped me with a frozen trout or something. It was just kinda jarring when there'd be this heated battle between Akuma, Ryu, and Ken, filled with all sorts of intense and serious dialogue about revenge and ideals and power, and then the suspense of what will happen to Sakura for daring to get in the way of someone like Akuma, then whoosh! Huge panty shot of Sakura's ass. I was just like "Mweeeeeeeeeegh!?" as I was reading through that.

[Zamuel]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Oh, sometimes the fanservice made me feel like someone slapped me with a frozen trout or something. It was just kinda jarring when there'd be this heated battle between Akuma, Ryu, and Ken, filled with all sorts of intense and serious dialogue about revenge and ideals and power, and then the suspense of what will happen to Sakura for daring to get in the way of someone like Akuma, then whoosh! Huge panty shot of Sakura's ass. I was just like "Mweeeeeeeeeegh!?" as I was reading through that.

It is irritating. After issue 5 I was officially 100% desensitized to anything else that happens. I'd rant but the wording I'd choose would only make enemies...

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Oh, sometimes the fanservice made me feel like someone slapped me with a frozen trout or something. It was just kinda jarring when there'd be this heated battle between Akuma, Ryu, and Ken, filled with all sorts of intense and serious dialogue about revenge and ideals and power, and then the suspense of what will happen to Sakura for daring to get in the way of someone like Akuma, then whoosh! Huge panty shot of Sakura's ass. I was just like "Mweeeeeeeeeegh!?" as I was reading through that.

Except those are gym shorts, and girls there use them over the panties when they don´t want people to see her underwear.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


Except those are gym shorts, and girls there use them over the panties when they don´t want people to see her underwear.


Yes, but "gym short shot" sounds a heck of a lot less catchy and a heck of a lot more cumbersome than "panty shot" (like calling Ryu and Ken "ansatsus" instead of "shotos"!)

[Zamuel]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


Except those are gym shorts, and girls there use them over the panties when they don´t want people to see her underwear.

I forgot about that. HOWEVER:
1) It seems pointless when they aren't much bigger than underwear.
2)There's still gratuitous upskirt/fanservice shots throughout the series.

[LostPhrack]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Yea, it would have been nice to have Shadaloo Cammy fight one of the good guys before the arc was over.

We did get to see her firght Chun Li in a back up story.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by LostPhrack


We did get to see her firght Chun Li in a back up story.


I suppose... although back-up stories kinda feel more like... well, background than actual arc participation, I think.

[Admiral Akbar]

Originally posted by BBCampbell
Nice job, Udon!

Gotta love Sakura getting pw ned by Gouki. That part had me laughing out loud. Maybe she learned more from Dan than we thought...

Also, anyone else notice Ryu's low forward into the Hadou Ken?

Was just about to mention that low forward thing. It was the SF3 low forward too, which was pretty interesting.

I'm a wee bit sad that Ken gets pissed on, but it's not my story, and its not that big of a deal. Just a fanboy being an ass! :lol:

Also.... am I wrong, or is this the end of the Alpha arc? If so, is Rose gonna die somehow? If not, are Charlie and Bison coming back in their Alpha counterparts?

THat'd be confusing.

Also, I really hope the Ryu/Sakura segments arent too cheesy. Just like... Sakura following and watching Ryu, and complimenting him all the time, fighting a bit too. I really hope she wont be a romantic interest cause... that would suck.

But on a whole, issue 6 kicked a lot of ass. Well, street fighter kicks a lot of ass. The story was a bit more concentrated this time, though the panty shots were a bit jarring. It looked like Satsui No Hadou Ryu did akumas little demon flip thing too. I couldnt tell really. Good shit. Thanks Udon.

[LoneWolfZ]

grow up guys. it's just a little fanservice. there's even more fanservice in sf3: 3s with chun-li and elena alone.

[Zamuel]

Originally posted by LoneWolfZ
grow up guys. it's just a little fanservice. there's even more fanservice in sf3: 3s with chun-li and elena alone.

"Growing up" would be tightening up the scripting and plot so immaturities like fanservice aren't needed.

[LostPhrack]

I never even noticed the panty shots until they were mentioned here.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by LostPhrack
I never even noticed the panty shots until they were mentioned here.

I don´t consider gym shorts shots "fan-service". But that´s probably because i´ve been reading manga and watching anime for long enough to know that they´re... well, just gym shorts, not underwear.

Sure. after reading this thread and going back to the panels, yeah, i can see why most people would see them as fan-service.

Even so, Sakura fights in a school uniform - a very short skirt. Udon would have to jump hoops to avoid showing her shorts. Hell, in the game we see them all the time, so complaining about it is pretty dumb. Go complain to Capcom first if you don´t like it.

[Maj]

Personally, i think with all the Honda fanservice they did in issue 02, they've paid their Sakura dues up front for a good 12 issues. Once we hit issue 13, then we'll discuss what they should do to justify the Cammy win poses and throw animations.

[TiamatRoar]

Er... I don't mind fanservice in general. It's just that fanservice IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY SERIOUS AND HEATED BATTLE kinda breaks up the flow of things, you know? That's why I made the "slapped with a frozen trout" comment as opposed to something like "Udon stabbed my heart!!!!1" More specifically, it has to do with fanservice out of no where at a serious moment (as opposed to just fanservice out of no where by itself). I mean, when a battle like Chun-Li/Cammy/Dolls vs whoever starts out right off the bat with an ass-shot of Chun-Li (or Cammy or Juli... hmm, seems to be a popular way to start off battles that involve females), you're kinda expecting fanservice, or at least ready if more comes up during the battle. However, a battle between Ryu and Akuma which has very serious discussions in it and no fanservice whatsoever, including when Sakura shows up initially, then just randomly getting a very big in-your-face fanservice shot at a very serious moment when you're actually worried about Sakura's life tends to shatter the mood a bit. It's like, "Oh no, Sakura! Noooo, Akuma will kill you! Watch out! Shot of Sakura's ass with skirt flying up in the air! Is she okay? ...wait a minute, what the hell was that in the last panel?"

It's not even about avoiding fanservice shots. Yes, if physics are followed, then fanservice shots will happen unless you go through the wierdest of camera angles. However, in this case, IMHO, the opposite was done and physics were defied for the sake of fanservice as far as I could tell. Sakura was hit to the side to the point where she was flying through the air while standing. I'm not some sorta rocket scientist regarding skirts, but I'm pretty sur skirts don't fly that high up when you're hit at a straight line to the side, so the whole thing looked really wierd to me. Which, again, just really broke up the flow of a heated battle.

[Zamuel]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
I'm not some sorta rocket scientist regarding skirts, but I'm pretty sur skirts don't fly that high up when you're hit at a straight line to the side, so the whole thing looked really wierd to me. Which, again, just really broke up the flow of a heated battle.

Thank you! And on the physics, it would travel in the opposite direction of her movement so it wouldn't fly up.

[Time_Stop]

So...

a) You didn´t want Sakura to join the fight

b) You didn´t want Akuma to hit any girl with a short skirt

c) You wanted her skirt to be glued to her body (if you look at the shirt, hair and speedlines, you´ll see she was going up when hit and down when landing - flying throught the air in an arc).

d) You wanted the artist to choose a "non-shorts-showing" angle

e) You don´t want any girl in panties/skirts/tight outfits (even if it´s her official game outfit) to fight any potentially dramatic fight because dramatic fights for some reason can´t have anything that someone somewhere may consider fan-service

f) Every time you play with/against Sakura you can´t focus because of the "fan-service" (you have seizures when fighting Elena)

I guess Chun-li´s outfit (which shows much more than Sakura´s gym shorts under a skirt) makes her a no-no for dramatic scenes.

Chun/Charlie fight = fan-service! I saw her crotch, cleavage and ass 17 times more than Sakura´s! :mad:

Chun/Bison/Guile = fan-service! I saw ass! :mad:

Any Cammy fight = fan-service! A zillion times! :mad:

[Zamuel]

At this rate, this will just become a flame war. I'm just gonna stop ranting and avoid mentioning fanservice altogether since from here it's only going to get ugly.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by Time_Stop
So...

a) You didn´t want Sakura to join the fight

"Oh no, Sakura! Noooo, Akuma will kill you! Watch out!" isn't something I wouldn't have thought if I didn't want Sakura to join the fight, now, is it?

...although admittingly, now that I think about it, on a separate issue entirely that has nothing to do with the appropriateness of fanservice at various times, it did seem kind of awkward that Sakura would jump into the middle of a heated battle like that (was she not paying any attention to all that talk about murder? I'd stay away from a person accused of being a killer in that circumstance, even if I was confident in my fighting skills. Or at least, if I jumped in and was confident of my fighting skills, it'd be to help out, not to like, be a fan groupie or whatever you call it. ...also, it was wierd that she said to Ryu, "You're great!" when Akuma was kicking Ryu's ass. What's Akuma then? Chopped liver?)


b) You didn´t want Akuma to hit any girl with a short skirt


Now, wouldn't a less baseless accusation have been, "You didn´t want Akuma to hit any girl with a short skirt in a way that would expose the gym shorts"? Accusing me of not wanting "Akuma to hit any girl with a short skirt" by itself is just silly, so I'm going to assume you meant to add the "a way that would expose the gym shorts" but forgot to include it due to your pent-up rage while you were writing that post. In which case, that's pretty much the exact same accusation as what you said in item D, so I'll address it when I get to there.


c) You wanted her skirt to be glued to her body (if you look at the shirt, hair and speedlines, you´ll see she was going up when hit and down when landing - flying throught the air in an arc).

Here we have a disagreement on the notion of physics. So I really don't have much to say regarding this since I'm not as passionate about my beliefs in how physics work out as I am regarding when (or if) fanservice is out of place. And even that, I'm not that passionate about, but eh, if someone lays down the guantlet, it's hard for me to back away, so I'll address this briefly.

The speedlines are almost a straight horizontal line. It's slightly vertical, but at a 10 degree angle. I'll stick to my thoughts that physically, the skirt shouldn't have flown up like that. Actually, upon further review of the panel in question, I can't help but feel that something else is not right with the picture. Maybe it's the foreshortening or something in proportion to the speedline, since Sakura is leaning forward (but still not enough for me to believe that the skirt would look like that) but the speed line seems like it's being viewed at a 180 degree profile angle.



d) You wanted the artist to choose a "non-shorts-showing" angle

Often times, the artist purposefully puts the camera in a way that any fanservicey look would be seen. This, I have no problem with for the most part (actually, ironically, I think the artist despite the camera angle went out of his way to make that Juli shot look as NOT fanservicey as possible...). However, I'll still contend that in this particular case, unless the artist showed the angle practically from the freaking GROUND looking straight up at a 90 degree angle, Sakura's skirt wouldn't look like that. Okay, to be more honest, a 75 or so degree angle from the ground might have sufficed. But looking at how the tree is perfectly perpendicular to the ground, this was a 180 degree profile angle. Far from any angle that would look like that.

...in retrospect, I think I'll stop talking about anything to do with the physics of a skirt from here on. I mean, think about it. I'm freaking talking about the physics and camera angle of what makes a skirt fly up in a way that lets you view the shorts underneath. That's just something I really should cut off as soon as possible, so any further inquiries or arguments about whether or not the skirt should have looked like that will have to be ignored and you'll just have to go with the assumption that it didn't look right to me, even if it did to you (alternatively, the entire argument stops right here, since two people arguing on different assumptions is pointless).

e) You don´t want any girl in panties/skirts/tight outfits (even if it´s her official game outfit) to fight any potentially dramatic fight because dramatic fights for some reason can´t have anything that someone somewhere may consider fan-service

I guess Chun-li´s outfit (which shows much more than Sakura´s gym shorts under a skirt) makes her a no-no for dramatic scenes.


Finally, we've come to something that makes a little more sense (and also has a little more to do with my issue at hand, rather than something like skirt physics).

Anyways, fanservice in general I don't mind. It's when it seems blatant to me that the artist purposefully went out of his or her own way in the middle of a heated battle that it just breaks up the flow of things. Stuff like "that camera angle which was obviously chosen for the sake of fanservice so obviously is not the best camera angle that the artist could have taken to showcase the pain of that move" or "why is the only thing I can see on this panel this girl's ass when the villain is in the middle of giving a big speech to her? Shouldn't I be seeing the villain in question that's giving the speech, instead?" or, in this case, "why is a skirt so high up when the speedlines are nearly horizontal?". Normally, stuff like that is okay with me, but in something like the middle of a very very long dramatic fight (so the flow of the fight has already been long established, but since it's the middle of the fight, things have also just begun to really start moving. This is when the flow of something is most vulnerable to disruptions), it's made even worse. I'm here to see a big battle between two of the most sexually-dead... erm, I mean, main characters of the storyline in the great finale to a story arc that's been in the making for 6 issues, not looking to "appreciate the female form" (I can think of better ways to say it but that's kind of uncouth for this forum) at this particular point in time, so why did the artist so obviously go far far out of his way to showcase that, especially at a rather climactic moment in the fight? That makes no sense, and it reminds me that this comic is a fictional story made by a writer who's prone to inserting fanservice even at the cost of physics sense at a time when I'd really rather be immersed into the fight and suspending my belief. Yes, I do know that the comic is a fictional story. Yes, I do know that it's written by a human being who has and knows his readers have hormones just like everyone does. Yes, I do know that writers and artists are prone to going out of their way to inserting extra fanservice (especially after seeing interviews like the one with the SFA anime producer that those excessive camera shots of Chun's ass were on purpose). And all of this is fine with me. I just really would prefer that I'm not reminded of it with the freaking SLEDGEHAMMER OF OBVIOUS BLATANCY while I'm in the middle of reading a huge storyline event! Blatant things disrupt flows. I think fanservice when the flow of something else is going on should either be more subtle, make sense in either the physical or psychological context of the situation (in which case, it's technically not fanservice so much as a coincidence. Fanservice by definition is going out of your way to provide a service for the fans), or if that's not possible, not be there. In this case, I feel the fanservice in question was neither subtle nor made sense.

f) Every time you play with/against Sakura you can´t focus because of the "fan-service" (you have seizures when fighting Elena)


This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Fanservice in a story is very different from fanservice during gameplay. It's a game. It's a game where storyline isn't really what you're thinking about during a match, what with you too busy PLAYING the GAME after all. It's a game where your suspension of belief flew out the window long ago anyways when you've had to plunk your 100th quarter in to try to beat Shin Bison because you didn't figure out his pattern yet. A very serious and supposed-to-be-climactic fight? Yes. But hard to take something serious when you've continued for the 5th time. ...hard to pay attention to the fanservice either when Bison's ***ing you in 10 seconds anyways, come to think of it.

[BBCampbell]

My take on the fan-service:

I thought that, while the shot was painfully obivous fan-service to anyone with eyes, it wasn't inappropriate.

Consider this: pick Sakura in any game she's in and hit a kick button, any kick button. Congratulations! You've seen Sakura's bloomers!

At first, you don't even notice because you're trying to figure out what you're doing. After a while, you begin to notice that her skirt flies up when she kicks (which is unavoidable. And a question of Sakura's decency. I train in the martial arts and none of the female martial artists I know would even think about trying to kick in a skirt...) After a few more games, you forget that she's even showing them. Well, you realize that every kick is blantant fan-service, but you don't care anymore.

Now, back to the issue at hand. Gouki bashes Sakura in the back of the head, sending her flying forward. Considering Gouki's storywise-cannon tier placement, it's not unbelievable to have him completely upend Sakura, making her literally fly forwards. Or at least fly in a manner where she's somewhat diagonal. Thus, the panty shot is not unbelievable and gratuitious.

You just have to accept panty shots as part of Sakura's character...

[Sano]

I haven't been reading any of the Posts lately since I've been busy, but I must say I really liked seeing Sakura's Panties!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, guys! It's Friday and I couldn't resist!

Fan Service doesn't bother me but it bothers some, and if you think seeing Sakura's Panties is bad you should try reading Witchblade... in one of the early issues the camera zeroed in on her chest after she made an arrest and the caption read,

"Now this is quite a bust."

In the end, Fan Service exists in SF and Sakura's whole popularity is based on Fan Service especially in Japan which is why Capcom will never age her and keep her in unofficial crossover games so she can stay frozen at 16 forever.

You should also check out Masahiko Nakahira's Sakura Manga. I'd count all the times I can see her panties there but it would take too long.

[chimitaru]

i think anyone with half a brain would know that the scene was specfically made for fan service. speaking of cammys fan service in games i was wonder if we would see cammy do any of her famous poses and moves like that ponany chocker.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by chimitaru
i think anyone with half a brain would know that the scene was specfically made for fan service. speaking of cammys fan service in games i was wonder if we would see cammy do any of her famous poses and moves like that ponany chocker.

Read the thread before you reply.

Originally posted by TiamatRoar


"Oh no, Sakura! Noooo, Akuma will kill you! Watch out!" isn't something I wouldn't have thought if I didn't want Sakura to join the fight, now, is it?

...although admittingly, now that I think about it, on a separate issue entirely that has nothing to do with the appropriateness of fanservice at various times, it did seem kind of awkward that Sakura would jump into the middle of a heated battle like that (was she not paying any attention to all that talk about murder? I'd stay away from a person accused of being a killer in that circumstance, even if I was confident in my fighting skills. Or at least, if I jumped in and was confident of my fighting skills, it'd be to help out, not to like, be a fan groupie or whatever you call it. ...also, it was wierd that she said to Ryu, "You're great!" when Akuma was kicking Ryu's ass. What's Akuma then? Chopped liver?)

Sakura´s dumb and we didn´t like the way she was used in the comic. A lot of us agreed on that. So it wasn´t surprising.

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Now, wouldn't a less baseless accusation have been, "You didn´t want Akuma to hit any girl with a short skirt in a way that would expose the gym shorts"? Accusing me of not wanting "Akuma to hit any girl with a short skirt" by itself is just silly, so I'm going to assume you meant to add the "a way that would expose the gym shorts" but forgot to include it due to your pent-up rage while you were writing that post. In which case, that's pretty much the exact same accusation as what you said in item D, so I'll address it when I get to there.

If they went out of their way to avoid showing her shorts in every scene (we see her shorts TWO TIMES in four issues.. less than Honda´s "underwear", who´s in ONE issue... oh wait, he´s a guy, so in his case it´s ok, right?), we would have only overhead shots during the scenes she´s kicking, jumping, falling and the like.

And WHY would showing shorts be an issue? They´re shorts! We all had gym class with girls before.

If they have to skip showing gym shorts, shouldn´t they skip showing Chun-li´s outfit completelly? Or Cammy´s?

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Here we have a disagreement on the notion of physics. So I really don't have much to say regarding this since I'm not as passionate about my beliefs in how physics work out as I am regarding when (or if) fanservice is out of place. And even that, I'm not that passionate about, but eh, if someone lays down the guantlet, it's hard for me to back away, so I'll address this briefly.

The speedlines are almost a straight horizontal line. It's slightly vertical, but at a 10 degree angle. I'll stick to my thoughts that physically, the skirt shouldn't have flown up like that. Actually, upon further review of the panel in question, I can't help but feel that something else is not right with the picture. Maybe it's the foreshortening or something in proportion to the speedline, since Sakura is leaning forward (but still not enough for me to believe that the skirt would look like that) but the speed line seems like it's being viewed at a 180 degree profile angle.

See attach. She´s clearly in the air. Going up the first panel, goind down on the second.

a) The slapping scene wouldn´t be the same if we saw Sakura´s face. That would hide Akuma´s and give the spotlight to Sakura instead.

b) Continuity-wise, you can´t do a reverse shot afterwards. Movies or comics, you´re not supposed to. So, the next shot has to be from behind Sakura or a 3/4ers shot.

c) To show that Sakura was airborne after the blow, you have to show her legs.

Considering she´s airborne, falling, and supposed to be seen from her back... we get ass. Maybe they could´ve done LESS ass. But we would see some of it, for sure.

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Often times, the artist purposefully puts the camera in a way that any fanservicey look would be seen. This, I have no problem with for the most part (actually, ironically, I think the artist despite the camera angle went out of his way to make that Juli shot look as NOT fanservicey as possible...). However, I'll still contend that in this particular case, unless the artist showed the angle practically from the freaking GROUND looking straight up at a 90 degree angle, Sakura's skirt wouldn't look like that. Okay, to be more honest, a 75 or so degree angle from the ground might have sufficed. But looking at how the tree is perfectly perpendicular to the ground, this was a 180 degree profile angle. Far from any angle that would look like that.

...in retrospect, I think I'll stop talking about anything to do with the physics of a skirt from here on. I mean, think about it. I'm freaking talking about the physics and camera angle of what makes a skirt fly up in a way that lets you view the shorts underneath. That's just something I really should cut off as soon as possible, so any further inquiries or arguments about whether or not the skirt should have looked like that will have to be ignored and you'll just have to go with the assumption that it didn't look right to me, even if it did to you (alternatively, the entire argument stops right here, since two people arguing on different assumptions is pointless).

Sakura´s higher than the horizon. If a person is higher than your POV wearing a skirt, you´ll see something. Sakura´s also falling. Her face is pointing the opposite way, while her legs are pointing to us.

Again, they could´ve make the shorts less visible. But they´re shorts, which we see not only in real life, but in the games too.

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Finally, we've come to something that makes a little more sense (and also has a little more to do with my issue at hand, rather than something like skirt physics).

Anyways, fanservice in general I don't mind. It's when it seems blatant to me that the artist purposefully went out of his or her own way in the middle of a heated battle that it just breaks up the flow of things. Stuff like "that camera angle which was obviously chosen for the sake of fanservice so obviously is not the best camera angle that the artist could have taken to showcase the pain of that move" or "why is the only thing I can see on this panel this girl's ass when the villain is in the middle of giving a big speech to her? Shouldn't I be seeing the villain in question that's giving the speech, instead?" or, in this case, "why is a skirt so high up when the speedlines are nearly horizontal?". Normally, stuff like that is okay with me, but in something like the middle of a very very long dramatic fight (so the flow of the fight has already been long established, but since it's the middle of the fight, things have also just begun to really start moving. This is when the flow of something is most vulnerable to disruptions), it's made even worse. I'm here to see a big battle between two of the most sexually-dead... erm, I mean, main characters of the storyline in the great finale to a story arc that's been in the making for 6 issues, not looking to "appreciate the female form" (I can think of better ways to say it but that's kind of uncouth for this forum) at this particular point in time, so why did the artist so obviously go far far out of his way to showcase that, especially at a rather climactic moment in the fight? That makes no sense, and it reminds me that this comic is a fictional story made by a writer who's prone to inserting fanservice even at the cost of physics sense at a time when I'd really rather be immersed into the fight and suspending my belief. Yes, I do know that the comic is a fictional story. Yes, I do know that it's written by a human being who has and knows his readers have hormones just like everyone does. Yes, I do know that writers and artists are prone to going out of their way to inserting extra fanservice (especially after seeing interviews like the one with the SFA anime producer that those excessive camera shots of Chun's ass were on purpose). And all of this is fine with me. I just really would prefer that I'm not reminded of it with the freaking SLEDGEHAMMER OF OBVIOUS BLATANCY while I'm in the middle of reading a huge storyline event! Blatant things disrupt flows. I think fanservice when the flow of something else is going on should either be more subtle, make sense in either the physical or psychological context of the situation (in which case, it's technically not fanservice so much as a coincidence. Fanservice by definition is going out of your way to provide a service for the fans), or if that's not possible, not be there. In this case, I feel the fanservice in question was neither subtle nor made sense.

There´s two Sakura shots in the first six issues. Less than one round in the game.

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Fanservice in a story is very different from fanservice during gameplay. It's a game. It's a game where storyline isn't really what you're thinking about during a match, what with you too busy PLAYING the GAME after all. It's a game where your suspension of belief flew out the window long ago anyways when you've had to plunk your 100th quarter in to try to beat Shin Bison because you didn't figure out his pattern yet. A very serious and supposed-to-be-climactic fight? Yes. But hard to take something serious when you've continued for the 5th time. ...hard to pay attention to the fanservice either when Bison's ***ing you in 10 seconds anyways, come to think of it.

I don´t see the difference. In both cases, you only pay attention to the "fan-service" if you want to.

[Golden Dragon]

Originally posted by LostPhrack
I never even noticed the panty shots until they were mentioned here.

Same here. You guys are pervs.

[Golden Dragon]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar
...it did seem kind of awkward that Sakura would jump into the middle of a heated battle like that (was she not paying any attention to all that talk about murder? I'd stay away from a person accused of being a killer in that circumstance, even if I was confident in my fighting skills. Or at least, if I jumped in and was confident of my fighting skills, it'd be to help out, not to like, be a fan groupie or whatever you call it. ...also, it was wierd that she said to Ryu, "You're great!" when Akuma was kicking Ryu's ass. What's Akuma then? Chopped liver?)

Sure, anyone with half a brain would stay away from an accused murderer in that circumstance, but this is Sakura we're talking 'bout. She thinks street fighting is for fun, man! It's like a hobby for her. It's no secret that she's an immature, reckless idiot. She fought Bison in order to protect Ryu during SFA3, so it's obvious that's she's pretty bold. All I'm saying is that it's not uncharacteristic of her to challenge a guy like Akuma.

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by Time_Stop

Sakura´s dumb and we didn´t like the way she was used in the comic. A lot of us agreed on that. So it wasn´t surprising.


Yea, that's an adequate explanation. Although the murderor issue aside, I still think it's a bit wierd that she'd tell Ryu, "You're great!" when Ryu hasn't landed a single blow on Akuma. Not THAT wierd, since even without landing a blow and while losing a fight, one can give a good impression, but that still brings to mind the question why poor Akuma doesn't get any love (maybe because he's declared a psychopathic murderor or something? In which case, Sakura would be just stupid enough to attack him but not stupid enough to know that being Akuma's #1 fan is impractical :p)



If they went out of their way to avoid showing her shorts in every scene (we see her shorts TWO TIMES in four issues.. less than Honda´s "underwear", who´s in ONE issue... oh wait, he´s a guy, so in his case it´s ok, right?), we would have only overhead shots during the scenes she´s kicking, jumping, falling and the like.

And WHY would showing shorts be an issue? They´re shorts! We all had gym class with girls before.

If they have to skip showing gym shorts, shouldn´t they skip showing Chun-li´s outfit completelly? Or Cammy´s?




Again, I have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with fanservice in general with the exception of VERY specific instances. That kick vs Dan is 100% definately going to look like that. As stated by BBCampbell, it's nearly impossible for that kick to not look like that in a skirt. In fact, if Sakura were slammed "towards the screen" in such a way like E. Honda was, then that's what it would have looked like, too (except with Sakura instead of E. Honda, of course). My problem here is with the particular shot in issue 6 (and not with any of the others!) in that the way the physics were in my opinion are that it wouldn't have looked like that, making the fanservice stick out as a shot that the artist actually went out of his way to show it when it logically, in my view, wouldn't have looked like that. And since no one has yet to say whether or not it's good or bad for an artist to go out of his way to show fanservice even when it logically wouldn't have looked like that, I'm going to assume from here on that the true and only argument of this matter is just whether or not it logically really WOULD have looked like that.

See attach. She´s clearly in the air. Going up the first panel, goind down on the second.

Hrm, I said I'd not continue any arguments about the physics of skirts because it seems a very silly topic to me, but ironically, everyone else seems to want to continue with it so who am I to judge? And this seems to be the true argument, anyways, considering that the only other argument that seems to be brought up is the appropriateness of all fanservice in general, which I've constantly said I don't disagree with, anyways. Why people don't just agree to disagree and would rather get into a deep thoroughful analysis of whether or not a skirt would fly up in such a way in one panel of a comic is beyond me, but again, everyone seems to be doing it so I guess I might as well give my own. Getting to back to the point, looking at the attach (although I do have the book, myself), you can see the "hit flash" (right next to the "UP" word) where Akuma's fist impacted Sakura's head is actually high above her head, and thus really wouldn't send her that vertically upward (if vertically upward at all). A hit that's vertically angled upwards won't give as much vertical power if it impacts at the upper corner of the object, as the majority of the equal and opposite reaction would be used up in tipping the object over rather than sending the object upwards. The speed lines in the first panel actually give a horizontal indication of Sakura's directional velocity through the air, because there are six speed lines to the right of Sakura's head in the first panel with two pointing upwards, two pointing downwards at nearly exact opposites from the upwards ones (thus cancelling them out), and two pointing directly horizontally. The only speedline remotely indicating any vertical upwardness is the speedline for Akuma's fist, but the way Sakura is hit (first actually impacts her on the very top of her head) and the speedlines for her own body coming from the head where she was hit all indicate horizontal flight. In the second panel, again, the speedline to the left of Sakura's head is a very horizontal speedline with only a very very small amount of vertical up than down, which I think is hardly enough to lift a skirt unless there's a very strong wind. At the current height difference that Sakura is from the ground compared to Kei (good observation, by the way), taking into account how horizontal the speedline to the left of Sakura's head in the second panel is (indicating that Sakura's initial height that she fell from is barely any higher than the current height she's at in that picture), I still think it's not enough falling height in and of itself to have the skirt fly up that high.



a) The slapping scene wouldn´t be the same if we saw Sakura´s face. That would hide Akuma´s and give the spotlight to Sakura instead.

b) Continuity-wise, you can´t do a reverse shot afterwards. Movies or comics, you´re not supposed to. So, the next shot has to be from behind Sakura or a 3/4ers shot.

c) To show that Sakura was airborne after the blow, you have to show her legs.

Well, my whole comment about faces was when someone else was giving a speech and you couldn't even see ANYONES' upper body because of where the camera was (had the camera been panned out more, so you could actually see the people talking, it'd be okay) and really has nothing to do with my particular feelings about this panel. I don't have any issues whatsoever with the camera's location in this instance, and am in agreement that the camera is located where it should/could be. (...although on a side note you can't see Akuma's face in the second panel of that attachment or Akuma in that second panel at all, anyways, not that it matters). In fact, in this case, since the camera is at a horizontal plane and not from the ground-to-up location, the only way they could have made the camera less out of the way to show fanservice would have been to have it be from an up-to-down view, which would have been just plain silly. So again, my issue is that with the current location of the camera as is, the shot shouldn't logically have looked like that. My issue is NOT with the location of the camera itself.

Considering she´s airborne, falling, and supposed to be seen from her back... we get ass. Maybe they could´ve done LESS ass. But we would see some of it, for sure..

Less ass actually would have been fine, actually. As I've stated before, fanservice in the middle of an ongoing flow is okay if it's subtle. Well, I guess it was subtle enough for Golden Dragon and Lost Phrack, but different people can notice different amounts of things (and not because people are pervs. More on that at the bottom of this post).


Sakura´s higher than the horizon. If a person is higher than your POV wearing a skirt, you´ll see something. Sakura´s also falling. Her face is pointing the opposite way, while her legs are pointing to us..

I still think the back of the skirt is at an overly sharper angle than the angle that Sakura's face is leaning fowards, although what made it stick out to me when I first was reading through the issue wasn't the comparison of the head leaning forward angle to the skirt flying upward angle so much as the legs leaning backwards angle compared to the skirt's (compare Sakura's upper leg length to Kei's. Her legs aren't leaning back much at all, and it's the way the lower body leans that would really affect the skirt, not the upper, since the skirt is at the lower body, after all). Unless there was a very strong vertical upheaval (which again, I don't think there was, given the horizontalness of the speedlines and the lack of any vertical-uplift of the skirt's front side), the skirt's angle shouldn't have been that much more significant than the leg's angle. There is the forward angle's effect on the skirt, but while Sakura's leaning forward, I don't think she's leaning THAT forward enough (or more specifically, her legs leaning THAT backwards enough) to make the skirt go like that, especially considering that her legs are leaning backward just as much as her face is leaning forwards (...why IS Sakura leaning forwards THAT much, anyways? She approached Akuma from the front, Akuma hit her mostly to the side but also in part from the front, and in that first panel, any relevant force and Sakura's hit stance as shown by her shirt front going up is showing her leaning backwards, even if the backhand motion of Akuma sent her head leaning forwards. It makes the whole way that Sakura looks in the second panel look awkward in general now that I think about it, and not just the skirt by itself)



I don´t see the difference. In both cases, you only pay attention to the "fan-service" if you want to.


I have to disagree that this applies to all situations. In the most extreme of cases, for example, how would you like it if for an entire fight scene, the camera was zoomed up to the girl's breasts and you couldn't see anything else for a whole 5 minutes except maybe a small amount of the background in the back moving really fast (because it's in the middle of a fight scene)? That'd be just as innappropriate as a camera angle that had the entire camera looking at a rock during the fight scene while you hear all sorts of intense punching, kicking, and screaming from off-camera (actually, even more innappropriate since I can think of some instances where the director might want to have the camera pointed at a rock during the whole time, like if the fight scene is supposed to be so gruesome that it's meant to be left up to the viewer's imagination what happened during it. This is typically used in many murder or torture scenes). Or maybe, wouldn't you be just a miffed annoyed if in the middle of a fight scene, they zoomed on the girls´tits and a put a sound effect "zwoooing-oing-oingggg" five minutes into a very climactic fight? This particular case is no where even remotely near as extreme as those examples, but it does go to show that "you only pay attention to the "fan-service" if you want to" does not apply to every situation, and at least for me (since mileage can vary by person and mood), it didn't apply in this situation, either. After all, if this quote were true, then I wouldn't have noticed it enough for it to disrupt the flow of the scene for me, as I certainly didn't want to pay attention to it at that particular point in time.

[Gojira]

Originally posted by TiamatRoar

Yea, that's an adequate explanation. Although the murderor issue aside, I still think it's a bit wierd that she'd tell Ryu, "You're great!" when Ryu hasn't landed a single blow on Akuma. Not THAT wierd, since even without landing a blow and while losing a fight, one can give a good impression, but that still brings to mind the question why poor Akuma doesn't get any love (maybe because he's declared a psychopathic murderor or something? In which case, Sakura would be just stupid enough to attack him but not stupid enough to know that being Akuma's #1 fan is impractical :p)


Sakura said Ryu was great because she was only looking at Ryu in the battle, not Akuma. She was watching his movement and not keeping track of hits or even listening to what anyone was sayings. She ran out because she was overly excited about getting Ryu to mentor for her. It's something impulsive kids are known to do.

[nortlee]

I finally got my vaiants A-C:cool:
IMO this has been the best issue so far nice long decent fight not that any of the others weren't decent, I liked seeing the Ryu as a kid sequence, it helps show more the relationship between Gouken & Ryu.

Now as for Sakura I thought that was alright, the last bit was funny "Please stop caling me master...":D
I was also pleased that (Well it seemed to me) the absence of a back-up story lead to the expansion of the main story I think this issue being the most important of the series (The last one I mean) needed to be longer.
Nice job Udon:)

Now to see how Ryu does travelling the globe...

[chimitaru]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


Read the thread before you reply.



read peoples posts before you reply. you seem to be unable to comprehend peoples posts without twisting them around into your own versions. like your doing to tiamatroars posts in order to make him look like some censorship freak.