Official character locations?

[Richard]

I figured you'd be one of the best people to ask this. Hopefully this will be seen Tiamat or somebody with access to Japanese Capcom canon material...

The questions:

Is there an official geographic location given for Guile? From the (detailed but not to scale) SF2 char select maps it looks like it could be anywhere from Virginia to Georgia... Are these maps supposed to be the origins, or else just where they choose to fight? And is Guile's rank really a Colonel? I've also seen Captain, Commander, Lieutenant and Major...

And while we're about it, does Ken have a location? Ignoring Seattle from the noncanon Animated Movie, and San Francisco from SFa2, could it be NY or Boston?

And presumably it's safe to assume Balrog fights out of Nevada? I don't belive he's Mike from SF1, but if he was, then that would put him in Dakota...

I've also heard the following, based on Japanese SF2/SFA background descriptions. Could they be the supposed origins of the characters?
Ryu: Genbugahara? or Suzaku Castle?
Honda: Higashikomagata (in Tokyo?)
Chun Li: Beijing or Zhidan?
Dhalsim: Jaunpur, (on the banks of the Ganges)
Vega: Valencia, Spain?
Sagat: Ayutthaya?
Charlie: KY, IL, IN?

Also, could Metro City actually be NY? The ingame progress map labels Uptown and the Atlantic Ocean, has a park in the middle and a Slum to the south (Brooklyn?), and it looks like the twin towers are drawn. And there's even the Statue of Liberty featured in level 5 (http://www.geocities.com/finalfightthecapcomgame/FINALFIGHT/GIOCO/finalfightround5.html)...

I guess this is all a bit pedantic, but I'm curious and interesed as to the specifics... Maybe it would help if somebody captured 2 screengrabs of the Alpha 3 World Tour map (after all countries have been completed)?

[GuileMike]

lol


i have a degree in geography, i'll give it my best

i'll go by the lower map

I'll start with usa

Guile - Airforce base in texas, more than likely san antonio because that is where it really is

(USA) Balrog - most def las vegas nevada, the cactus is in the way

Ken - appears to be up state new york on the lower map also his background suggests it

(USA) Vega - appears to be near barcelona

(USA)Bison and sagat - they are near the boarder of thailand and myanmar, that could be many cities

Dalhsim - more than likely near dehli not new dehli, possibly near ganges too

Ryu and Honda - well they are both located on honshu so you have to assume one of them is in tokyo, the island is big and the city never stops really, no spare land can really be found anymore

cammy - by the looks of it its not london, i would guess West Midlands, Leicestershire, or Northamptonshire, not sure just some where in the heart of england

T hawk - assuming mexico city, could be a number of places near there

fei long - duh hong kong

chun li - beijing or close to it would be my guess

zangief - moscow or somewhere near the urals, if he is fighting in a power plant i would say somewhere near the caucus but the map does not indicate that

blanka - the map suggests south brazil near paraguay boarder so i think its along the rio parana

dee jay - assuming kingston but that whole island is tourist a area







:)

[TiamatRoar]

Metro City is either in New York or IS New York. Besides the twin towers and statue of liberty, Haggar's bio in Slammasters says Haggar is from New York.

[Ben Damon]

FREAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GuileMike]

Originally posted by Ben Damon
FREAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lol

i know:(

[GuileMike]

anybody else on this?

[Richard]

Well, I figured we could use a combination of game maps and stage graphics...

But yeah, I'd really love to know if the SFII BGs are meant to be the birthplaces or hometowns, or just random places they traveled to?

Tiamat- I've just read your FAQ version 4.0, do you reckon in a future update you might mention that none of Guile's ranks are official? And how about adding Lee's bg?

[GuileMike]

Originally posted by Richard
Well, I figured we could use a combination of game maps and stage graphics...

But yeah, I'd really love to know if the SFII BGs are meant to be the birthplaces or hometowns, or just random places they traveled to?

Tiamat- I've just read your FAQ version 4.0, do you reckon in a future update you might mention that none of Guile's ranks are official? And how about adding Lee's bg?



i think it might be there places where they train or live. doubt birth place

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by Richard

Tiamat- I've just read your FAQ version 4.0, do you reckon in a future update you might mention that none of Guile's ranks are official? And how about adding Lee's bg?


Odd. I could have sworn that I once got Guile's official rank and that it was the same as Charlie's, but it's not there in the guide so maybe my mind is just making memories up on me.

[Siegfried]

Balrog obviously fights in Las Vegas in SF2 and SFA3. I'd say that's his base.
Ken seems to be on the west coast all the time. I don't think they had his movie scenes take place in Seattle for no reason. Isn't his 2I stage in San Francisco as well? Only his 3S stage is definitely in New York and that's just because he shares with Alex.
Sean is in Sao Paoro (lol).
T.Hawk's stage really doesn't look like a big city, more like a small town. Kind of what you see of mexican towns in spaghetti westerns.
Cammy's stage couldn't be in the south of England, you wouldn't see the aurora borealis there. Since it's England and not GB in general, I'd say somewhere along the Scottish border, as far north as possible.
Ryu's stage is named, it's Suzaku Castle. In SF3 at least, but I think it's always the same.
E.Honda's stage in most likely in Osaka, just because of the fact that Capcom are based there. There's a whole bunch of connected levels around that bathhouse: Honda's SF2 stage, the Japanese stage in MvC (which are both in the same building), Honda's SFA3 level (which is outside the bathhouse), Guy/Ryu's SFA1 level (further down the street) and across the street there is the Kyokugen Dojo of CvS1. Could also include the Japanese outdoors bath of SF3:1 but since the others are in a small town neighbourhood, I doubt that they'd have all those cliffs around it.
I'm pretty sure that Sakura's level, and by extension all the Rival Schools levels, are in Osaka as well.

I also don't think they put too much thought into the exact map locations for SF2. As you can see, the spots are in different places even though the stages for SF2 and SSF2 are identical.

Isn't there a big collection of backgrounds somewhere for us to compare?

[GuileMike]

cool views




;)

[Herny]

Fei Long's stage is in Hong Kong, obviously!

but to be specific, the EXACT location of Fei Long is a tourist hot spot called, Fu Pak Garden. It is located in Hong Kong Island. I've been there as a child, so I am pretty sure!

[GuileMike]

cool


i've always wanted to go to hong kong

[Richard]

Rose could be Genova...

How about Remy? Hugo? Pullum?
Originally posted by Siegfried
Balrog obviously fights in Las Vegas in SF2 and SFA3. I'd say that's his base.

Yeah. I'm going with the theory that if the SF2 stage matches with any of the Alpha stages, then it's where they officially live.

For example, with Vega, the SF2 maps seems to suggest that Barcelona is a little too far north. Since the A3 bg is Requena Tower, which has bull-fights and is roughly the same location as the SF2 one, I figured that's where it would be.

Ken seems to be on the west coast all the time. I don't think they had his movie scenes take place in Seattle for no reason. Isn't his 2I stage in San Francisco as well? Only his 3S stage is definitely in New York

Well, it's definately northeast in the SF2 games. (although A2 is in San F, I think). In SFEX it's just a forest...

Cammy's stage couldn't be in the south of England, you wouldn't see the aurora borealis there. Since it's England and not GB in general, I'd say somewhere along the Scottish border, as far north as possible

Yeah. In reality you can't really see the northern lights anywhere in the UK, but yeah, it would have to be up north... But there are castles all over, so that doesn't help.

Ryu's stage is named, it's Suzaku Castle

It's ficticious, right? If not, then remember Ryu is further south than Honda.

E.Honda's stage in most likely in Osaka, just because of the fact that Capcom are based there. There's a whole bunch of connected levels around that bathhouse ~ Guy/Ryu's SFA1 level (further down the street)

It is? The street is based on a real place? I never knew that.

I'm pretty sure that Sakura's level, and by extension all the Rival Schools levels, are in Osaka as well.

We know the school is called Minami High...But I think it's made up.
But isn't Setagaya-ku (SFA2) in Tokyo?

Isn't there a big collection of backgrounds somewhere for us to compare?
You mean images? I've been getting text from mamehot.net, but I think there'll be plenty of online images. (example: SSF2 (http://galileo.spaceports.com/~redwolf8/main/backgrounds.html))

[Sano]

It would seem that New York City and Metro City co-exist in the SF Universe. It's stated that Haggar is fom New York originally, and of course there's Alex and Ken's SF3 Third Strike stages. Also a funny note even though these games are not official is that in CVS1 there's a Stage in Metro City that has a Hip Hop song in the Background (The song was taken out in the US version because it has a line "I'm ready to fucking spill!") and in CVS2 the New York background has a Hip Hop background too! Hey, us New Yorkers did invent Hip Hop after all!

How can this be? Well, it's kind of like in DC Comics, where New York City/Manhattan and Gotham City both co-exist.

While this comic is not official at all, in the Avengers/JLA crossover, the DC characters went to the Marvel world and went to the place where Metropolis was in their world. It was a small field in the Marvel world! They revealed that in the DC World America was actually a lot bigger in size, and Marvel had countries that DC didn't have like Genosha. That's a pretty good way of explaining it me thinks.

In Ken's SF2 Revival Stage, it takes place under the Golden Gate Bridge. It's pretty obvious Ken lives in San Francisco. But being as rich as Ken is, he probably has multiple homes across America.

[Richard]

I suppose I'd agree with sano.
Originally posted by TiamatRoar
Metro City is either in New York or IS New York
Yeah, I'd say it was the same place, but either way, we know for a fact that it's officially on the east coast. And in that case, the Alpha 2 map (Guy) is wrong. Anyway, the attachment is a compilation of screengrabs (thanks to fatherbrain).

Notice how Ryu is in south Japan- very close to Osaka. I've added Akuma's island to the bottom one- if it were real, it would be in (or near) The Mariana Islands.

[Saturius]

I don't think Metro City is New York. I mean, Sean and Alex's SF3 NG stages looked New Yorkish to me, so I imagine there is a New York and a Metro City. Also, when I think of Metro City, I think of it as sorta being ike Chicago, not New York.

[mohammeda1i]

(USA)Bison and sagat - they are near the boarder of thailand and myanmar, that could be many cities

Bison is a lot more South to the Golden Triangle (i.e South of Myamar and Loas). He's probably in Bangkok, Grand Palace (see post "Where in the world???"). Sagat could be by any buddha, the closest Ive seen thus far is Ayatthaya (North of Bangkok).

Ryu and Honda - well they are both located on honshu so you have to assume one of them is in tokyo, the island is big and the city never stops really, no spare land can really be found anymore

Honda might be from Tokyo, but Ryu is from Osaka without a doubt. I've heard it too many times, or atleast thats where his base is.

cammy - by the looks of it its not london, i would guess West Midlands, Leicestershire, or Northamptonshire, not sure just some where in the heart of england

Shes not in London, your right there. My guess in Devon and such areas. They are quite mountainous and have nice Castles and what not. Can't be sure, although I'm from England, I've travelled more of the world than my own country :P

fei long - duh hong kong

Judging by the look of the animals in his base, I'm guessing its in a movie set - after all he is a film star

Kindest Regards,
Mohammed Ali

[Richard]

Attached is the map from the arcade mode of SFA3, with my gay coloring. I've tried to put the people's names from Japan and the USA into approximate relation to each other compared with the World Tour map (are there any volunteers to get a screengrab of that with all the red flags?)

My discoveries for this map are as follows: Metro City (Guy) seems pretty accurate, if a little too far south.
Las Vegas seems too far east.
Blanka- Madeira River branch: maybe it could be Mato Grosso or Tocantins?
Zangief: It's in the Urals, north of Ovosibirsk, west of Norilsk and east of Surgut...

Other random findings: I'm 95% sure that Geki's stage from SF1 looks like Mt Fuji (in the Shizuoka Prefecture) (http://www.ifh.ee.ethz.ch/~ballisti/for_fun/pict_geogr/fujisun.jpg)
Birdie in SF1 and SFA3: I'm very sure he's from Hampstead, London NW3 (that's where Ian Dury used to hang around, and they have half a dozen tube stations on the lines that use that design of train).

[mohammeda1i]

Liking it...

Geki definately has mnt Fuji behind.

Heres a couple of others from SF1...

Adon's looks like a real site...
Sagat's looks like the grand place (same as Vega)

Mohammed Ali

[Richard]

Vega's stage says Moson Dela Taverna...

Apparently, there is a spelling mistake with Mika in Tiamat's guide: It's Hokuriku not Hokuriko. The latter doesn't seem to exist, and the former is famous for its fishing (and it's NW of Tokyo).

Further evidence for Birdie: in SF1 we can see the Lonsdale factory in W1F (which is under 1 mile from Hampstead)

In the SSF2 Hawk background we can actually read "Tehuantepec" (which is near Monte Alban)

Dudley: 3S is outside Harrods in Knightsbridge SW7, which is half a mile from Westminster (Big Ben is seen in Double Impact)

Necro or Twelve: Obviously Moscow...

[eFeX]

Originally posted by Richard
Vega's stage says Moson Dela Taverna...
It's "Mesón de la Taverna".

[-Nerd-]

Originally posted by mohammeda1i
[B]


Shes not in London, your right there. My guess in Devon and such areas. They are quite mountainous and have nice Castles and what not. Can't be sure, although I'm from England, I've travelled more of the world than my own country :P


According to Street Fighter Alpha3 and Street Fighter 2: revival, she was created by Shadowloo.

[mohammeda1i]

Originally posted by -Nerd-

According to Street Fighter Alpha3 and Street Fighter 2: revival, she was created by Shadowloo.

I think it is still a bit open to discussion if she was made by Shadoolaw or modified by Shadoolaw. We had this discussion on another thread a short while back. Although some games say she has the same DNA as Bison, which doesn't make sence in science unless you think of it as saying 'some of the same DNA', SFRevival gives the best idea.

From Street Fighter 2 Revival:

"Listen to me, my little Cammy. You are just a copy generated from my DNA!"

Here the keyword is 'generated'. This suggests 2 things:
1) She was genetically enhanced with Bisons DNA.
2) She was created from scratch using Bisons DNA.

Scientificly the first sounds a million times more likely as it is already possible to a certain extent, whilst the later isn't so easy. Yet, what is on Capcoms minds is another story.

In either case, her base is in England during the SF2 tourny.

Mohammed Ali

[-Nerd-]

Please Ignore my last post.
It was an accident.
I have made a posting error and did'nt have the time to edit it earlier.

What I truly meant to say was this:

"Well, I would'nt say that Cammy was from london. You are right about Cammy's location being somewhere in london, but I would'nt say that was where she was originaly from.

Capcom never officaily stated where she was originaly from axcept being Created using Bison's DNA.

After SFA3, she was taken by Vega from shadowloo to live a new life in London.

So Basicaly, I would say that She "Moved to london", not FROM london.:p "

[Sano]

You might think that Dan is living in Hong Kong since that's where he's from, but if you play CVS 1 Pro and go to Vega's(cape) Stage, it releals that his location is indeed Japan. It's pretty obvious Dan lives in Japan now and that's where his Saikyo Dojo is located. Dan is 1/2 Japanese and 1/2 Chinese(From Hong Kong).

[Lantis]

According to a SFA 2 strategy guide I read, here are some locations:

- Ryu: Suzakujo
- Rose: Genova City Port
- Ken: San Francisco Bay
- Chun Li: Beijing
- Sagat: Ayuthaya Temple Ruins
- Charlie: Detroit Highway
- Adon: Bank of the Chaopraya
- Birdie: W.C. in the London underground
- Guy: Metro City
- Sodom: Arizona Desert
- Bison: Atop the VTOL
- Akuma: Gokuento
- Dan: Temple Street
- Sakura: Setagaya-ku, 12-Chome, Tokyo
- Dhalsim: Bank of the Ganges
- Zangief: Bilsk Steelworks
- Gen: Shanghai
- Rolento: New York

Balrog is obviously Las Vegas

Judging by T.Hawk's location in SFA 3, my guess is that he may be one of the many deserts in northern Mexico, probably around Chihuahua or Sonora.

Vega's location may surely be Barcelona...probably taking from the names of his moves.

[Richard]

Thanks for the input Lantis (although some of that stuff is available in the Japanese Roms, and is covered on the 1st page)

If we're going by move names, then Eagle could be any of: Canterbury, Liverpool, Manchester, Oxford, St. Andrews. Actually, that last one is in Scotland, so scratch that, and I doubt it's Liverpool, either...

Speaking of castles, the coat of arms in the Cammy stage looks like the flag of Lower Saxony! Or maybe it's the family of Alfars, or Bewes of Cornwall. Neither of these are promising, so Capcom probably made the thing up. And yeah, Cammy seems to have about 3 official stories that contradict! But yeah, the actual location for her seems to be central/northern England.

Originally posted by sano
You might think that Dan is living in Hong Kong since that's where he's from, but if you play CVS 1 Pro and go to Vega's(cape) Stage, it releals that his location is indeed Japan. It's pretty obvious Dan lives in Japan now and that's where his Saikyo Dojo is located
I think in A3 it's meant to be Hinode Park, Furano, Japan. Anything specific on that dojo?

[Richard]

Could Oro be Brazillian? Possibly Colombian?
Twelve - Russia? (Кремль, Красная площадь, Московский, Россия )
Urien- Mexico?

Also, I just found these for SF3 on gamefaqs. They sound reasonable enough, and I don't see why somebody would make something up if it wasn't canon:

Ibuki stage is Kyoto 京都
Elena: Nairobi, Kenya (NG and 2I)
Gill: Somewhere on the Mediterranean
Ryu: Tokyo Zoo (NG) 東京動物園
Hugo: München (2I)
Sean San Paulo (2I)
Urien: Cairo (2I) ﺓﺮﻫﺎﻘﻟﺍ

Tiamat- In order to make this info safe, is there any chance of getting a plot guide update? I've spent a good deal of time finding this stuff out (so have others), and I don't have it backed up, so I nearly had a heart attack when the board went down!

[Golden Dragon]

You guys do realize that a lot of these stage locations are already in the plot guide, like the SFA2 & SFA3 ones?

[Richard]

Yep.

But SF1, SF3 and most of SF2 isn't covered. Hence the thread (which was originally meant to be essentially a conversation with Tiamat). It looks to me like the guide only includes stuff thats explicity mentioned in the menus. But obviously this thread has a lot of (accurate) info that can be infered from scenery or other indirect facts.

Speaking of the plot guide, here's some other stuff that's missed out:
Adon's ending features the Lumpini Stadium in Thailand.
Oro is a "sennin"
Alex is a retired soldier...
Sean: "A Brazilian boy from a very,average household with uncanny athletic ability. Inspired by Ken at a fighting tournament, he hits the road in pursuit of his idol. Strictly disciplined by his grandfather (of Japanese extraction), Sean is polite and courteous, but with a burning desire to win"

[TiamatRoar]

Originally posted by Richard
Yep.

But SF1, SF3 and most of SF2 isn't covered. Hence the thread (which was originally meant to be essentially a conversation with Tiamat).


Eheh... sorry about that :sweat: But I'm actually a dunce when it comes to world locations, too, so essentially I just lurk and record stuff to add to the plot guide, really ^^

*is recording*

[Golden Dragon]

Originally posted by Richard
Yep.

But SF1, SF3 and most of SF2 isn't covered. Hence the thread (which was originally meant to be essentially a conversation with Tiamat). It looks to me like the guide only includes stuff thats explicity mentioned in the menus. But obviously this thread has a lot of (accurate) info that can be infered from scenery or other indirect facts.

Speaking of the plot guide, here's some other stuff that's missed out:
Adon's ending features the Lumpini Stadium in Thailand.
Oro is a "sennin"
Alex is a retired soldier...
Sean: "A Brazilian boy from a very,average household with uncanny athletic ability. Inspired by Ken at a fighting tournament, he hits the road in pursuit of his idol. Strictly disciplined by his grandfather (of Japanese extraction), Sean is polite and courteous, but with a burning desire to win"
Correction:
I've already gathered the SF3 stage locations. You can find them in the SF storyline thread.
The Lumpini Stadium thing is already mentioned in the plot guide.
Tiamat uses the word Senjin instead of Sennin in the plot guide, so that's kinda' already mentioned (though I think Sennin is the correct spelling).
I asked vasili10 about Alex's military background and AAC says nothing about him being a retired soldier.
All that stuff u said 'bout Sean is true. However, the plot guide already mentions that his grandfather is of Japanese descent.

[Yurinka]

I think he's from Barcelona.

He has a move called "Flying Barcelona Attack", and in Street Fighter II V, the tv series, when they go to Spain, the streets that they show are real from Barcelona (so accurate, by the way). And in the ending of SF2V, when some travel photos are showed, appears the "Sagrada Familia", from Barcelona.

http://images.google.es/images?q=sa...queda+en+Google
Some "Sagrada Familia pics"

That church/temple is always full of japanese tourist (I live in that city ), and appears in lots of games (Pang or Fatal Fury 2, in the bullfighter's stage) when that stage is placed in Spain.

[Richard]

^ I guess you know best on this one. I'm still not 100% convinced though.

is Guile's rank really a Colonel? I've also seen Captain, Commander, Lieutenant and Major...
Just realized, in A3, Chun Li says "Nice to meet you, Commander Guile". Although I suppose he may get promoted after that...

Another couple of updates: I guess you could point out that Dourai is not officially Chun-Li's dad.

A3: Dee Jay's agent is called Bob.

[GuileMike]

tru dat

[Golden Dragon]

^ I guess you know best on this one. I'm still not 100% convinced though.


Just realized, in A3, Chun Li says "Nice to meet you, Commander Guile". Although I suppose he may get promoted after that...
He's a commander during SFA3 and a Major during SF2.

[Ielehiah]

Sean's stage is São Paulo, not San Paolo or Sao Paoro, like I've read.

[rob_keys]

You can find them in the SF storyline thread.


Where can I find this thread at?

[mohammeda1i]

Where can I find this thread at?

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173

Mohammed Ali

[Richard]

Just noticed that the Plot guide has been updated in mid 2006, but that some of the stuff in this thread is still missing (about Bob, Chun's dad etc - some of the stuff that we know isn't true might be good to include just for the record)