Sunnyvale, California CAPCOM WANTS To hear YOU!!

[SuperLuu]

Yo i got this in my email. If you want Capcom to support fighters once again plzzz email them. This is a great oppertunity for the community to be heard. I would love to go to this but i dun live anywhere near there



If you live in the San Francisco Bay area we want to talk to you!

CAPCOM® will be conducting focus group that will discuss fighting games on the evening of Wednesday, April 28 in Sunnyvale, California

If you are a male between the ages of 17 and 30, and are interested in participating we invite you to come to the facility for a discussion group.

If you qualify, the discussion will last approximately 90 minutes and participants will be paid $75.

We have hired an independent research company to conduct these discussions. Please reply by clicking on the address (or paste it into your email window) fightgames1@nicholsresearch.com and be sure to include your name, age, and phone number so the research company can call you with details.

Thanks for your participation!

CAPCOM®

Good luck pplz

[Dios <-X->]

i got the email too. people should go.....specially the top players like valle and choi and others who know the scene well....SF4 and marvel 3, as well as a cvs 3 opinions plz! the scene is not dead! its keeping arcades alive.

[cka]

Well, this dream is dead. I can already hear the roar of "LOL MORE MVC2 PZLz!!!" from this focus group.

[NeoChaosX]

The arcade scene is dead. Face it, Capcom's arcade division shutting it's doors wasn't a joke, and I don't think an American focus group is gonna convince a Japanese company to re-open a money-losing venture. At best, we could give a few ideas for the their next fighting game on consoles.

Hahah cka. I htink you're blowing it out of proportion, though.

[Carnevil]

Oh man, every MvC2 player GOGOGOGOGGO

[Dios <-X->]

MVC2 FOR CRAP BOX FUCKING LIVE :mad:

[DJ-B13]

OHMAN WHAT HE HELL~!!

yah i got this Email also, AT 2st i was like like thinking this was a fake email,

But i guess it isnt....DAMN i wish i lived in cali so i can go support this event.

[Hellfromabove]

Oh man, wish I lived in San Fran Bay area. Shit man I'd love to go. If this thing were sometime past May 7th then I'd definetly go. Too bad, I'd love this, free money for talking about one of the best things in my life. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[Hoonyo]

Originally posted by cka
Well, this dream is dead. I can already hear the roar of "LOL MORE MVC2 PZLz!!!" from this focus group. if you knew better, you'd know norcal doesn't exactly have a big mvc2 scene.

[Jeff1]

Originally posted by Hoonyo
if you knew better, you'd know norcal doesn't exactly have a big mvc2 scene.

you know what.. your right.

[cka]

Originally posted by Hoonyo
if you knew better, you'd know norcal doesn't exactly have a big mvc2 scene.

That doesn't stop people from other regions going to this thing.

[Dios <-X->]

if i get the chance to go there, i will personally ask capcom, what the FUCK was in there minds when they directed the mvc2 sound track.

[_MJ_]

ink add this to the news! Important stuff here..


I hope its a big turnout.

[VkreW]

your all gay move on with your lives get fucked and be fREE!!! DORKS

[ryu-bi]

Screw this shit...its the same time as Davis weekly.

[popo187]

:eek: !!!!!!!

[WindyMan]

Originally posted by Hoonyo
if you knew better, you'd know norcal doesn't exactly have a big mvc2 scene.

If I recall, Northern California is CvS2 country.

Hooray.

You know, it probably doesn't matter who goes to this thing, the types of questions these focus groups ask tend to filter out biases first so they can get the vital info they need.

Also, Capcom doesn't have the Marvel license nor can they make any more games with SNK (though Sammy vs. Capcom does come to mind...), so if any fighting game were to come out of this, it would be a Street Fighter game (or at least one with all Capcom characters) and/or one that was specifically for home.

Remember, though, they did bring back 3rd Strike and are releasing it for the PS2, so Capcom is definitely up to something.

[Hoonyo]

Originally posted by WindyMan
If I recall, Northern California is CvS2 country. Bingo!

Are the top players like Campbell Tran or John Choi going to attend if they can? What about the Cannons?

[SuperLuu]

Man whats up with everyone. This is a chance for something good to happen. All you ppl who keep posting negative shit can just fuck yourself

[Tigard's Own Dr. Evil]

I agree, Cali gets this very special opportunity that I'm sure gamers from all over the country would love to get, and people complain about it. So maybe your favorite game may not get represented, big deal. At this point, we need fans of ANY fighter to get the chance to be heard, because quite frankly fighting games aren't setting the world on fire the way they used to.

Be :D !

[Buktooth]

I would definitely go to this (75 bucks for 90 minutes of "work"?), but I'll be in Japan by then. I'm kinda bummed out that I have to miss it. Maybe they'll do phone/internet interviews hehe.

[Drunken Master]

Originally posted by SuperLuu
Man whats up with everyone. This is a chance for something good to happen. All you ppl who keep posting negative shit can just fuck yourself

[Gen2000]

Well I hope someone from here goes and helps out. More support for the U.S. scene (like Namco).

[Bahn Yuki]

What Capcom needs to do is come look at this site. Anyway if I had a chance to go(hold one of these in NYC and I'll round up some people) I'd let them know that 2D fighters should be released on current systems.

Hyper SF2 and SF III on Xbox Live? if that's true, hot damn.

Shouldn't someone sticky this thread at least?

[m121akuma]

Somebody really needs to bring up SRK at the focus group...if Capcom saw this site and its membership...HOT DAMN!

[caliagent#3]

Hopefully some top OG players decide to go and actually give capcom some ideas. I would really hate for some of the people who started playing like 2 yrs ago to head down there, uninformed about the scene, and ask for some dumb shit. I think it would be better for the community to have people who play games like A3, cvs, and ST. Becuase let's face it, most mvc2 players don't play much else, nor do they know how to (i'm not saying all marvel players). Capcom wouldn't get good input from these types of people. I would be best if the old school players went down there and represented.

[inkblot]

Originally posted by Hoonyo
Bingo!

Are the top players like Campbell Tran or John Choi going to attend if they can? What about the Cannons?

I applied.

[VkreW]

:o i bet the reason they dont wanna make fighting games is because they dont make nearly as much money as they do on other games

[Sirlin]

I also applied.

I stated my qualifications in the e-mail, but actual qualifications tend to disqualify you from focus groups, so I doubt I will be accepted.

--Sirlin

[edit: typo]

[LiquiTed]

Too bad it's not being held closer to EVO .
This would ensure a much greater range of players being available from across the country and world .
Obviously CAPCOM is up to SOMETHING . Their poll on NeoGeo-CAPCOM regarding on-line fighting games is an indication that they are interested in pursuing the fighting game market but are cautious enough not to lose money on a dead-end project .

I wonder how much money CAPCOM lost on sales of MvC2 and CvS2 due to people burning copies instead of buying them...who killed the fighting game scene ? All the losers who stole a copy instead of supporting it .

Ted

[ROCK_LEE]

Originally posted by inkblot


I applied.

Sorry man, they been avoiding you guys for a while now, unless you entered different information you're not going =\


I'm crossing my fingers anyways

[KaiSingrz]

Originally posted by inkblot


I applied.
good luck.

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ROCK_LEE


Sorry man, they been avoiding you guys for a while now, unless you entered different information you're not going =\


I'm crossing my fingers anyways

Why would they be avoiding Tom and David?

I wonder if they would consider non-residents?

Apoc.

[DonNozzle]

capcom emailed me and said i was the man, and they offered me a million dollars to become president of mars

[Time_Stop]

Frankly, i doubt they would care about anything gameplay-related.

They´ll ask about what games you like, the characters you use, you play online or not, consoles you have... Stuff like that.

Those guys have specific questions, and you can be sure there won´t be a single one about parrying. :lol:

At best, you´ll have a "comments" box where you will be able to write about whatever you feel like.

That said, i´ll just ask that anyone that goes, please ask for faithful CPS3 ports... taking advantage of the X-Box shouldn´t be too hard...

Ask for Jojo on the X-Box, please.

It´s a long shot, but doesn´t hurt to ask...

[Bloody Youkai]

Well, I think it may be best if we come up with a list of things that should be brought up if Capcom allows people to speak and toss ideas out. This way we can have some people with some organized lists and thoughts, and not just people screaming "I want MvC3 and CvS3 better have K' and Alex in it or else!"
I can think of some things that should be brought up:

Darkstalkers. Not to sound like some crazed fan, but this series was great, and has potential to be even greater in the future. A squel to this series would be greatly appreciated(and if possible, ask for a new Morrigan spriteset lol)

SF4. A new SF game would be greatly appreciated. Only thing is, try to stray from "This char better be in it!" type stuff. We don't need Capcom being afraid to make a new SF game cuz some rabid fans demand Akuma and Chun Li be in the game and will refuse to buy it if they aren't in it.

Instead of MvC and other versus series, how about a Capcom vs series? Capcom has many many chars from various games, imagine translating them into a fighting game like MvC2 was made? While a char list can be up for debate, the idea alone should get out there, as I feel it has potential, as well as being able to give the coonsumers a new vs series without going thru the trouble of licenses and contracts and the like. Besides, having Darkstalkers, SF chars, rpg chars such as Ryu and Fou-Lu, and even chars like Regina and Jill could make the game interesting and a fan favorite.

And of course gameplay issues should be brought up. negatives on some systems and glitches that are broken or suck fun and strategy out of the game, and ideas on systems that worked well, or even new ideas for new systems could be brought up.

I think this meeting alone shows that capcom is at least trying to revive the fighting game market. So i feel whoever goes needs to be on the ball and know wtf it is they are talking about. We don't need Capcom getting the wrong impression by having crazed fans curse them out for not putting their fav char in a versus game. Also, it would help to tell them about SRK.com, and show them the fighting game discussion fgorums so they can see that many people enjoy and take fighters seriously and don't want the genre to die.

[Thongboy Bebop]

Anyone who can get them to put Rose into another game will receive a currently undetermined monetary sum from yours truly. I can guarantee it will be at the very least in the triple digits.

N - That goes double if it's a 3s-style game.

[Jeff1]

I applied to even though sunnyvale is like 4+++ hours from me.

[VkreW]

vs games by capcom are over OMG :*(
lmao

[SRKev]

I got the email and registered to go, I think it will be a great chance to let fans give their input and name drop SRK. I went to a Namco one a few years back and I got so much free shit that my head was spinning with happiness!!!

[Sonic Hedgehog]

I dont understand why this hasn't been made a sticky yet? I mean, this is big news! I understand that it takes a little bit of time to update the web page, but this should be made a sticky, and it should be on the front page soon too!

You people complain all the time about how Capcom never listens to the fans, how they never give us what they want. Well now they're offering, and we can't just brush this to the side!

Everyone from this site that can, should go. There's no other place that has a bigger collection of fans than shoryuken.com. I know I'd have signed up the second I heard this, but I live in virginia. It'd be a damn shame to miss this opportunity socal people.

[WindyMan]

You guys thinking too hard into this should know, Capcom won't be the ones you're talking to, they've "hired an independent research group" to do this event. If you go in there touting SRK or being all fanboyish, they'll look at you and wonder what the hell you're talking about.

More than likely, they've got a specific set of questions to ask, they'll get answers, and that will be the end of it. It will be very unlikely that anyone from Capcom will be present.

[magnus]

Originally posted by DJ-B13

But i guess it isnt....DAMN i wish i lived in cali so i can go support this event.
i am telling you, josh will house you for the rest of your life. Just give him the word.

[loborine]

Originally posted by LiquiTed
Too bad it's not being held closer to EVO .
This would ensure a much greater range of players being available from across the country and world .
Obviously CAPCOM is up to SOMETHING . Their poll on NeoGeo-CAPCOM regarding on-line fighting games is an indication that they are interested in pursuing the fighting game market but are cautious enough not to lose money on a dead-end project .

I wonder how much money CAPCOM lost on sales of MvC2 and CvS2 due to people burning copies instead of buying them...who killed the fighting game scene ? All the losers who stole a copy instead of supporting it .

Ted

i couldnt agree more

[T-Kimura]

Originally posted by SuperLuu
Man whats up with everyone. This is a chance for something good to happen. All you ppl who keep posting negative shit can just fuck yourself

[inkblot]

Originally posted by WindyMan
You guys thinking too hard into this should know, Capcom won't be the ones you're talking to, they've "hired an independent research group" to do this event. If you go in there touting SRK or being all fanboyish, they'll look at you and wonder what the hell you're talking about.

More than likely, they've got a specific set of questions to ask, they'll get answers, and that will be the end of it. It will be very unlikely that anyone from Capcom will be present.

Bingo.

[C_2]

Originally posted by WindyMan
You guys thinking too hard into this should know, Capcom won't be the ones you're talking to, they've "hired an independent research group" to do this event. If you go in there touting SRK or being all fanboyish, they'll look at you and wonder what the hell you're talking about.

More than likely, they've got a specific set of questions to ask, they'll get answers, and that will be the end of it. It will be very unlikely that anyone from Capcom will be present.


Capcom will send people there, but they will be in a room behide the one side mirror. They jsut hire these people to do the talkings and stuffs. And the Capcom people will be taking notes and shit behide. I've done this before but with other game companies.

[Skyler]

well if any of ya do get to go to this business meeting, atleast let those capcom employees know that console fighting games should have online mode now for crying out loud. and tell them to add a crap load of extras and extra features in the game like soul calibur 2.:cool:

[SSJGouKi]

Originally posted by Bahn Yuki
What Capcom needs to do is come look at this site.


In reality the majority of gamers out there probably never heard about SRK or know about the fighting game competition. You have to remember fighting games in general isn't big. And so the majority of gamers don't know whats going on as we do. Sure capcom can come here and look at all the responses. And look at how much we want fighters. But we are a VERY VERY VERY SMALL portion of Gamers that are into fighters.

Originally posted by Dios &lt;-X-&gt;
MVC2 FOR CRAP BOX FUCKING LIVE :mad:

Originally posted by Carnevil
Oh man, every MvC2 player GOGOGOGOGGO

These are for the people that want another MvC sequel. Stop being so selfish and think about this more realistically. This is the time for capcom to start making fighters again for everyone. Not to make a fighter to a small portion of people that want a specific fighter. Remember capcom wants to make some MONEY!!! PROFIT!!! They DO want to get something out of this right??? And MvC2 didn't really do all that well. Its only popular here. They want to make a fighter that will be more popular, worldwide. Its pretty simple math.... the more people that buy it, the more money they make. It'd be great if they made an MvC3, but you also have to face reality that MvC2 did horrible and i don't think they want to make the same mistake twice.

[Patester]

Originally posted by Bahn Yuki
What Capcom needs to do is come look at this site.

Why?

Look at the number of retarded comments, ones that aint even constructive, on this thread alone. Not dissing the site, or any members for that matter, but what do you think they would care about? Sure they could look at the number of of registered users and see the support but would that have any use.

i'm not trying to dis the notion of this 'focus group' or whatever it is, I just think the people that go should have some well-thought, clear ideas of what they intend to say/propose........

[loborine]

i think the best move they can do is creat a street fighter game ( because it would sell) and tat it was really copy PROTECTED..

so no one can make a burn. tats why they dont make money, everyone just gets a burn.

[SaBrE]

the number of people that actually bootleg games is very small. its larger in the dc area but ps2 and such, most people are lazy or cant afford to get a modchip. i hardly think piracy is hurting them, its just a small fighting game community. its niche market that doesnt turn a profit for them.

and even if it were "really" copy protected, like all other games out there, the hacker groups still bypass that crap.

i honestly dont see this focus group to really do anything overall. its not like its capcom usa that makes the shit we play, they just localize. but i guess its better than nothing

[Knubbe]

Alright I just got a call and they asked me a bunch of questions. In the end I qualified so I'll be there at Sunnyvale on Wednesday. Anybody else get a call?

[=dave=]

SuperLuu, thanks for the info! I would love to go to the discussion group but I'm not traveling out of state for it. If there was some way to simply email your opinions to the same people conducting the discussion I'd like to know.

If someone records this discussion session then I would be happy to host it on my site for everyone to download. :D

[Skyler]

well for capcom to sell a fighting game world wide, they have to buy a famous license name and make it into a fighting game. Dragon Ball Z would be a very good example considering most fans pick up the game without even giving much thought on it except its DBZ. samething with why soul calibur 2 selling so well on the Gamecube, cause Link from zelda was in the game. and this meeting is a good idea, but they would still get better results if they would post some question on there site and ask the fans how they feel capcoms take on fighting games now.:cool:

[commonknowledge]

i have actually tested for Focus groups before. THey usually have you judge the title you play through a series of questions. And they do pay you 75 bucks for 90 minutes of your time. its easy.

[M.O.Y.]

I think this focus group could prove to be meaningful. I just read an article in the latest issue of PSM magazine about Capcom's new direction. The article stated that the Capcom developers (Capcom of Japan) are going to design almost all of their games for an American audience (due to the popularity/success western developers are currently having and low sales most japanese developers/company's are suffering from). So it makes sense that Capcom of U.S.A. are hiring someone to conduct a focus group about fighting games. From the results of this focus group, Capcom of Japan can get an idea of what some Americans want.

[Battosai]

please someone mention hyper sf2 ae to be released in the U.S.

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by Battosai
please someone mention hyper sf2 ae to be released in the U.S.

Someone please mention that we want SF2 Anniversary Edition and Street Fighter 3 Third Strike for Xbox Live.

[Battosai]

opps... I meant for the Arcades.:D

[inkblot]

This sounds like a market test to me. I've never heard of a focus group where they just ask you questions.

My theory is that this is the market test for some console-only Capcom fighter, akin to the old "beta tests" in the arcade.

My second theory is that the game on test is a re-worked All-Stars.

Let's all hope that theory #1 is right and theory #2 is wrong.

[SuperLuu]

They need to add tutorials to all there fighting games. Honestly fighting games are way more complex now compared to ssft2 dayz. I think thats a big reason y there is such a huge decline in popularity. Too many dam characters, too many moves to rember. People just want to have fun. It needs to be simple and easy to pick up, plain as pie.

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by Battosai
opps... I meant for the Arcades.:D

:o


That too. SF2 AE for arcades is CPS2, right? Wonder why Capcom did that instead of just System 246 (PS2 arcade board), since it was for PS2 first anyway...

You think the PS2 version is running on a CPS2 emulator? Or did Capcom actually program the game for PS2 and then program it again for CPS2?

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by SuperLuu
They need to add tutorials to all there fighting games. Honestly fighting games are way more complex now compared to ssft2 dayz. I think thats a big reason y there is such a huge decline in popularity. Too many dam characters, too many moves to rember. People just want to have fun. It needs to be simple and easy to pick up, plain as pie.

I agree 1000%. Fighting game complexity scares away the new converts.

[SSJGouKi]

Originally posted by Fatghost28


I agree 1000%. Fighting game complexity scares away the new converts.

that may be part of the reason, but thats not the only reason. imo most gamers see fighting games as just a 'fun thing to play' with for a little while. im pretty sure most peope don't realize the complexity of fighters. most people think its just a game where you fight a bunch of characters and get to the end boss, not realizing that there is so much more to fighters then that. Then also, you got the usual (most of the time its the casual gamers that do this) buttonmashers that go into the arcades, find a fighter and just button mash the game, these people give fighting games a bad name. :bluu:

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by Knubbe
Alright I just got a call and they asked me a bunch of questions. In the end I qualified so I'll be there at Sunnyvale on Wednesday. Anybody else get a call?

Someone in anotehr forum got the call and was turned down for a totally random reason, like "you don´t have any marketing background" or something like that. The guy still doesn´t understand (neither did i).

[C_2]

im accepeted, they told me Wensday 28th, but the 28th is Friday! i need to call them back to check which day I should go.

[m121akuma]

Originally posted by C_2
im accepeted, they told me Wensday 28th, but the 28th is Friday! i need to call them back to check which day I should go.

You sure your calendar is right, chief? Mine says the 28th is Wednesday.

[Sano]

To anyone who goes -

Capcom of Japan doesn't really listen to Capcom USA, so here's something you should ask them they can easily fix.

SF Games have TONS of Character to Character Win Quotes that Capcom USA never translates. THE CVS games alone have lots of them and they are better than the dialogs in SVC. Capcom only translated these quotes once in SF3 Second Impact and even then, they left out the seperate dialogs with Gouki. Even Guilty Gear and now KOF since 2001 translates these quotes. So tell Capcom to translate all charaacter to character quotes in future Fighting Games. I do not care if the game is delayed six months because of this since Capcom games are hardly ever on time as I'm still not playing the Megaman Anniversary game for PS2 that was supposed to come out in March.

And in the US version of SF2 Anniversary Edition, if they remove the dumb Ass bad translations of Cammy and Vega(Dictator) being lovers and Blanka not knowing his name is Jimmy, that would be appreciated.

[C_2]

Originally posted by m121akuma


You sure your calendar is right, chief? Mine says the 28th is Wednesday.


hahaa.. shit, i was looking at May's Caldendar.... stupid me.. lol

[lunatic-rid]

Originally posted by m121akuma


You sure your calendar is right, chief? Mine says the 28th is Wednesday.

yea make sense, ain't he the guy they paid to be president of Mars?

i agree w/ some posts above

ya if u're going tell them to make somethin' totally new and simple easy to pick up on, i think 3s is a good game quite complicated enuff, nobody's gonna start and pick up onanythin' more complicated than that.

Coz all they've done over the years is to refine SF2 into somethin' greater by complicating it with 'SUPER', diff. kinda SUPER, customs, rolls, parry, and all that other stuff. I'm not saying that's bad, i think it adds great fun for the competitors, i enjoy that too. But obviously ppl who never played SF before ain't gonna pick up on anythi'n so complicated if they don't even kno how to use the joystick or do a qcf. Plus, some ppl aren't too happy about certain new things and yada yada, like i kno some ppl are so pissed at the thing about parry, but i love it. So all in all, CAPCOM is risking to lose fans w/o recruiting anyone new for sure. Of course it's going down hill.

VF i think is that kinda attempt, starting somethi'n new and simple at first, then other 3D fighters follow w/ some sugar coating (a-hem breast bouncing), but then it's 3D, which i think kinda suck.

it's a challenge of creativity for CAPCOM, nothin' like marketing strats...

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by sano
Capcom of Japan doesn't really listen to Capcom USA, so here's something you should ask them they can easily fix.


Did you, like, read the thread at all?

[CYBORG COP]

Originally posted by M.O.Y.
I think this focus group could prove to be meaningful. I just read an article in the latest issue of PSM magazine about Capcom's new direction. The article stated that the Capcom developers (Capcom of Japan) are going to design almost all of their games for an American audience (due to the popularity/success western developers are currently having and low sales most japanese developers/company's are suffering from). So it makes sense that Capcom of U.S.A. are hiring someone to conduct a focus group about fighting games. From the results of this focus group, Capcom of Japan can get an idea of what some Americans want.

That doesn't sound good to me, since the huge boost in the video game market here over the last few years comes from the creation of new casual players--the kind of people who just bought an X-Box as their first system. That's who games seem to be targeted towards now in the States anyway; why Japan gets new SFs while we get new Lord of the Rings.

And I think most players (not necessarily casual gamers) today want games that seem more complicated. They want games with 100 characters and 1000 moves per character; games with super realistic physics and graphics. To them, the game is more "sophisticated" and requires more skill, which they naively think always makes for a good game. Then maybe they mash buttons and a bunch of shit comes out (3-D fighter or MvC) and they think they have skills. And the casual gamers just want to jump in and mash buttons period (at least they're not phonies). These games are complicated on the outside, but may be (at least the way they play them) simple on the inside. And having 3-D graphics or anime characters always helps.

(BTW, a deep game should be simple on the outside and complex on the inside; easy to learn and hard to master. It should lure you in with its simplicity and stealthly steal weeks from your life by pulling you in deeper as you learn more or get further. A game that has too much on the outside collapses under its own weight. But of course, a game doesn't have to be deep to be fun.)

Any SRKers going to this be sure to flame the participants suggesting more moves, 500 characters, and 3D graphics without first mentioning the good stuff.

[Sano]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


Did you, like, read the thread at all?

Nope. I don't care if it's a big cookout I don't see what the big deal is with asking Capcom a question.

I know what you mean, and the article in PSM was talking about a Gladiator Game that is being released in the US and nothing more. Did you in fact read the PSM Article? I think not. I implore you to find the words "Focus group" in said article.

[Skyler]

Originally posted by CYBORG COP


(BTW, a deep game should be simple on the outside and complex on the inside; easy to learn and hard to master. It should lure you in with its simplicity and stealthly steal weeks from your life by pulling you in deeper as you learn more or get further. A game that has too much on the outside collapses under its own weight. But of course, a game doesn't have to be deep to be fun.)


thats MVC2 for you. people who think MVC2 is just a button smashing game is a total moron. The game is easy to learn will no double motion supers and very insane gameplay. the higher you climb on the game, the harder it is to win. so dont think that you can win with cables air viper beam alone, cause once sentinel/commando jumps into the picture, your a gonner.

anyways, networking is a huge part of gaming world now, so it would be wise for capcom to atleast release everyone of there fighting games with an online option. more players wouldnt have to travel 60miles to an arcade tilt just to get in 3hrs of gameplay with other people. plus you'll get more competition online, thus giving everybody practice and fun while your at it. MVC2 shoud've been online and for some reason capcom decides not to make the game online at all(same with PS2 CVS2, but sometimes its understandable).

not only is networking a huge part of fighting games now, but extras are indeed important too for those who lack competition gameplay. GGX2 and SC2 did a good job with there extras throwing in secret weapons, pictures, profiles, exhibitions, etc. With extras to unlock, this would boast up the replay value greatly for those other gamers. also having a very Vry VEry VERY VERY good storyline to the game would definitely help cause we dont want gamers to get confuse. if someone new trys out CVS2 and they decided to pick maki, do they know who she is?? who in the blue hell is Guy that she is talking about so much?? why is she looking for this Guy?? why did she enter the tourny?? its like trying to learn algebra without a book.

even though its all about the gameplay in a fighting game, having secrets to unlock(except certain characters) would help the game out too, but most of all, a networking option would be the heart of the game cause you will get to battle people worldwide for some good competition and i would rather have this option over anything else too. :cool:

[Battosai]

I'll go down there my self and try to make sure they release Hyper sf2 for the u.s. arcades.

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by sano
Nope.

Clearly.

[I8-]

Originally posted by Dios &lt;-X-&gt;
MVC2 FOR CRAP BOX FUCKING LIVE :mad:

too laggy -.-

[Sano]

Clearly.

I deal with facts. What's fact is in the first post of this Thread. The rest about this focus group being something Capcom of Japan will hold in high regard is mere speculation.

That's it buddy, you are off my XMAS list, LOL!

[SSJGouKi]

Originally posted by Skyler


thats MVC2 for you. people who think MVC2 is just a button smashing game is a total moron. The game is easy to learn will no double motion supers and very insane gameplay. the higher you climb on the game, the harder it is to win. so dont think that you can win with cables air viper beam alone, cause once sentinel/commando jumps into the picture, your a gonner.


This is actually pretty sad, because like you say, as you climb the latter its harder to win... not only that, as you climb the latter you soon find out that the game is extremely limited to a very small portion of the characters, namely the Big 4. When your at the TOP of the latter its an utter bore fest with everyone picking the big 4. sure you got other characters like capcom/psy/cyclops but those characters are mainly used for there assists. i can't tell you how many times i see assist chars getting raped when its time for them to fight. :rolleyes:

[yougoku]

fuck xbox, corny ass bill gates

[yougoku]

This is actually pretty sad, because like you say, as you climb the latter its harder to win... not only that, as you climb the latter you soon find out that the game is extremely limited to a very small portion of the characters, namely the Big 4. When your at the TOP of the latter its an utter bore fest with everyone picking the big 4. sure you got other characters like capcom/psy/cyclops but those characters are mainly used for there assists. i can't tell you how many times i see assist chars getting raped when its time for them to fight.


true,true.

[yougoku]

Originally posted by Fatghost28


Someone please mention that we want SF2 Anniversary Edition and Street Fighter 3 Third Strike for Xbox Live.



i feel sorry for you,most people who own xbox may have gateway computer which means they're geeks who probably don't even know what SF is all they know is Diablo,Doom,& sports games with good graphics & poor gameplay.

[CYBORG COP]

SF over the internet is worthless. It's just too laggy for this game.

[Skyler]

Originally posted by SSJGouKi


This is actually pretty sad, because like you say, as you climb the latter its harder to win... not only that, as you climb the latter you soon find out that the game is extremely limited to a very small portion of the characters, namely the Big 4. When your at the TOP of the latter its an utter bore fest with everyone picking the big 4. sure you got other characters like capcom/psy/cyclops but those characters are mainly used for there assists. i can't tell you how many times i see assist chars getting raped when its time for them to fight. :rolleyes:

aye:bluu: , very true that once you reach the height of the game, you soon notice that only 4 characters will get the job done while the others are nothing but cannon fodder.:( same with CVS2 and damn roll cancle sometimez:mad:

[thebiggameover]

I got this email. wish i lived in CA. maybe its a beta-test. that would be cool...

[EVIL5150]

Any idea what the deadline might be to get my app in?

[Neo_Slasher]

Originally posted by SuperLuu
They need to add tutorials to all there fighting games. Honestly fighting games are way more complex now compared to ssft2 dayz. I think thats a big reason y there is such a huge decline in popularity. Too many dam characters, too many moves to rember. People just want to have fun. It needs to be simple and easy to pick up, plain as pie. i agree totaly
they should take the idea of VF4:evo it has a deep guide to the game with a lot of techniques , terminologies, match videos of top-players, attack series and combos ect. in training mode plus copies of top=players skills in play for you to challenge all this with more deeper tutorials and online play are sure to introduce non-hardcore players to the advanced world of fighting games and probably cause intrest in the players to lift up the scene.

this should be told in the disscusion groups , although they shouldn't make it too easy to pick up but not so hard like VF4 evo some shit is hard and not for new players who get frustrated at not being able to perform such techniques also try and not have any broken glitches like roll cancel and balance like SC2 for me there ain't no tiers in tha game. giving the tool for new players , very deep tools in fact they should make a special edition traning mode in another CD as a method where they can put a lot of examples and comments by known players like Daigo, I-no , tratuced to any language about examples like cross-ups learning to combo efectively , chars with begginers, B&B and advanced combos and poking , strats even frame data like a super guide and they better promote the game includes like for example deep guide for new players or sumthing. Capcom can lift the scene if they teach ppl to play the games in a very efficient and competitive way and with new players ready to try their luck it can even make a sport out of it . i belive my theory is that pl see fighting games kinda hard and scary and when they see us players duking it out with broken shit they get terrrified and won't consider the game worth learning when we own them like bitches and closes their hope of being competitive in the game cuz let's be real who want's to lose ? NO ONE so they need to win to inspire hope and competition ( also for the record we should encourage them to learn and even help them like you got game and help them with their mistakes in play so they get better and belive they have competition) the real thing bout this essay i just wrote:confused: is to be able to provide the new players the maximun competitive skills possible and desing an envirioment of competition world wide to lift the scene. inspiring ppl of all ages to compete can save the industry and even resurface the arcades , alas even becoming a new method to liberate stress and socialize. the posibilities are endless and ppl going there should talk bout this , making a possible thesis of resurfacing the games in a strong scene worldwide will cause intrsest as a strong solution even if it's from the minory of players.
peace out.:D and let me message be heard!!!!

[Neo_Slasher]

Originally posted by Neo_Slasher
i agree totaly
they should take the idea of VF4:evo it has a deep guide to the game with a lot of techniques , terminologies, match videos of top-players, attack series and combos ect. in training mode plus copies of top=players skills in play for you to challenge all this with more deeper tutorials and online play are sure to introduce non-hardcore players to the advanced world of fighting games and probably cause intrest in the players to lift up the scene.

this should be told in the disscusion groups , although they shouldn't make it too easy to pick up but not so hard like VF4 evo some shit is hard and not for new players who get frustrated at not being able to perform such techniques also try and not have any broken glitches like roll cancel and balance like SC2 for me there ain't no tiers in tha game. giving the tool for new players , very deep tools in fact they should make a special edition traning mode in another CD as a method where they can put a lot of examples and comments by known players like Daigo, I-no , tratuced to any language about examples like cross-ups learning to combo efectively , chars with begginers, B&B and advanced combos and poking , strats even frame data like a super guide and they better promote the game includes like for example deep guide for new players or sumthing. Capcom can lift the scene if they teach ppl to play the games in a very efficient and competitive way and with new players ready to try their luck it can even make a sport out of it . i belive my theory is that pl see fighting games kinda hard and scary and when they see us players duking it out with broken shit they get terrrified and won't consider the game worth learning when we own them like bitches and closes their hope of being competitive in the game cuz let's be real who want's to lose ? NO ONE so they need to win to inspire hope and competition ( also for the record we should encourage them to learn and even help them like you got game and help them with their mistakes in play so they get better and belive they have competition) the real thing bout this essay i just wrote:confused: is to be able to provide the new players the maximun competitive skills possible and desing an envirioment of competition world wide to lift the scene. inspiring ppl of all ages to compete can save the industry and even resurface the arcades , alas even becoming a new method to liberate stress and socialize. the posibilities are endless and ppl going there should talk bout this , making a possible thesis of resurfacing the games in a strong scene worldwide will cause intrsest as a strong solution even if it's from the minory of players.
peace out.:D and let me message be heard!!!! sorry i also forgot to mention that they should teach methods to combo into supers as well to perform the different commands for the sprecial moves critical it the recruitment of a ner generation of players.

[Soljr]

There are so many things I would like to say in this discussion group if I am selected. Here's a list of topics that I want to say.

1. American arcades are not dead. Most American arcades typically have fighting games with broken sticks and sticky buttons. These said arcades are dying, but there are well managed arcades such as the Tilt and Golfland chains that actually take good care of their machines and get games that people will actually be willing to play on a regular basis.

2. As mentioned above many people are not inspired to play fighting games at high levels. There need to be more fighting games with training modes to help players. Without help players begin to gravitate towards fighting games that very few other people play, just so they can subliminally think of themselves as the best player in that game.

3. Online play will not create a renassince among fighting game players. Ultimately online play will only encourage scrubiness. Fighting game experts will reject online play, because so much as a nano second of lag and inconsistency can break a fighting game.

4. Capcom no longer has godlike talent to make fighting games. The reason why Capcom's arcade division shut down is not because arcades are dying, but because their talent went to other companies such as Sammy. But they should at least sell their assets such as the MvC2 engine to other companies.

[SSJGouKi]

Originally posted by Soljr
But they should at least sell their assets such as the MvC2 engine to other companies.


easier said then done. unless some company is gonna try and gamble for it. mvc2 engine didn't do all that well (hence why there is no mvc3.) and i doubt a company is gonna buy it unless they wanna take there chances on it.

[Josh-TheFunkDOC]

Originally posted by CYBORG COP
SF over the internet is worthless. It's just too laggy for this game.

Oh, and Counterstrike doesn't require perfect timing?

I think it'll be possible someday, just not with the current technology (unless the genre moves to PCs).

-Josh

[Neo_Slasher]

3. Online play will not create a renassince among fighting game players. Ultimately online play will only encourage scrubiness. Fighting game experts will reject online play, because so much as a nano second of lag and inconsistency can break a fighting game perhaps but maybe in the future connections might be fast enough to make it perfect , and will get the respect it deserves to play worldwide. but you're right though , al least Capcom should make the games give you like some code for you to input in a website to post your rankings , this could make players look out for similar skilled opponents and the servers should host fun tourneys and make em by categories based on your ranking playing against your friends at home , online play an so on , seems like a dream :( promoting similar level comp shoud be an asset , also capcom must make the AI pattern less , with un-godly refexs that makes tactics useless...

a huge mistake capcom has made from time to time i mean who hasn't played against U.Rugal in the console ver. at max difficulty ? he knos what you gonna do and rape you for it.this something i've haven't seen as a theme to talk bout in the group and should be .
online play for now isn't as great as it should be but i'm sure that knowing how the world progresses, i'm sure that it can be viable since connections should be superior by then enough to push this option as an asset

[m121akuma]

Originally posted by Soljr
3. Online play will not create a renassince among fighting game players. Ultimately online play will only encourage scrubiness. Fighting game experts will reject online play, because so much as a nano second of lag and inconsistency can break a fighting game.


Last I checked, CaliPower played on Live...

Besides, the option is a nice touch. No, it won't be arcade perfect, and yes, the lag will sometimes effect gameplay. But that does not make the matches completely worthless, as often the lag is a mere hiccup at the versus screen and nothing more. Besides, the only way to improve upon online play is to continue to work on it and perfect it through testing in commercial releases.

[CYBORG COP]

Originally posted by Josh-TheFunkDOC


Oh, and Counterstrike doesn't require perfect timing?

I think it'll be possible someday, just not with the current technology (unless the genre moves to PCs).

-Josh

Counter-Strike is not affected by lag like the current online SFs are. I think CS doesn't care about where everything actually is at the current moment, but where they are on your screen at the moment. The only lag that really affects CS is the hiccoughs.

In CvS2 for XBL for example, you just can't react to certain things fast enough for your character to actually carry out the actions in time. I don't know if there will ever be a satisfactory solution for this (at least for me).

And how would moving it to PC help? Ever play on Kaillera? It's just as bad.

[jettmanas]

D'oh. I moved from S.F. 2 years ago.
I would've just made the age bracket at 30 yrs. old-
:p I used to recruit for focus groups in S.F. to pay rent-

[Hoonyo]

Originally posted by Josh-TheFunkDOC


Oh, and Counterstrike doesn't require perfect timing?

I think it'll be possible someday, just not with the current technology (unless the genre moves to PCs).

-Josh Lol it doesn't. FPS are a lot more forgiving with latency.

[Skyler]

Originally posted by Neo_Slasher
perhaps but maybe in the future connections might be fast enough to make it perfect , and will get the respect it deserves to play worldwide. but you're right though , al least Capcom should make the games give you like some code for you to input in a website to post your rankings , this could make players look out for similar skilled opponents and the servers should host fun tourneys and make em by categories based on your ranking playing against your friends at home , online play an so on , seems like a dream :( promoting similar level comp shoud be an asset , also capcom must make the AI pattern less , with un-godly refexs that makes tactics useless...


we already got fast enough connection, but its the hardware that we just dont have yet.

Online mode would attract more gamers being able to connect online and battle someone over the net. some players are limited on there source, so they cant go out every friday and expect good competition at there local arcade if they have one. the next best thing for them is online mode. if counterstrike didnt have an online mode, then no i wouldnt be playing it right now(same with Starcraft) capcom got to remember that most US players dont live in cali or NY, so helping out those others will indeed be very helpful. would you rather battle the cpu everytime or atleast go online to kick some ass. even if the top players dont play online fighting games, then so beat it, but for others to enjoy the online mode is better than not enjoying the game to its fullest.

anyways, for the people that goto this confrence, try bringing a camcord with you and record the whole disccusion and let us be able to download the vid. that would give us people a better idea of what capcom is talking about too.

[Zamuel]

Someone should mention porting stuff that had options dropped like character edit in Project Justice. Someone should also complain about typos. For example, just get SFA3's manual and look at Juni's command list...

[Hydra632]

Any news on what took place?

[Knubbe]

I was there yesterday. Too lazy to retype what happend so I'll cut and paste what I wrote on another forum.

There were a lot of questions about how they should design a game if they were to make another SF game. There were also questions about interest in the new SF Anniversary bundle, which would include Hyper Street Fighter and SF3:3S. They showed us some ideas for artwork for their new game and asked us which art style we liked better for art cover or advertisements (anime vs hand painted) and in general it seems like they are interested in making another SF game.

I don't know how the group (which John Choi was a part of) after mine reacted to the various ideas.

[AHVB]

Any News?

[kingmajix]

Yeah I was there yesterday as well. As I was leaving I saw that Choi was in a group about to head in and I would have loved to hear what he had to say.

Anyway just like stated above there were alot of general questions about what would make a great fighting game. I don't think that Capcom really has it all wrong - I think 3rd Strike is amazing but it didn't catch on due to the forever changed climate of the arcade scene in comparison to the early 90s.

I also got the feeling that they're DEFINITELY looking into making a 3-D fighter. Alot of the questions were geared toward that. Thankfully everyone except for one in my group voted to stay in 2-D. I must admit that I had an agenda going in trying to sway anyone away from pushing to make a 3-D fighter and I think it worked.

As far as concrete information, there isn't much. Right now they're looking at putting the Hyper (Anniv.) + SFIII together for the whopping price of $29.99. Other than that I think they were just looking to get ideas.

Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be many "hardcore" SF fans there. I'm not sure who you were Knubbe so don't take this the wrong way. One guy said he never played 3rd Strike becuase he heard that it was just more of the same except "you just press forward and absorb some energy or something." Also, I was the only person out of the entire group that has even seen the new SF comic. A few said they had heard of it and the others didn't even know about it. Plus, when I mentioned that I paid almost $150 to import Hyper and mod my system just about everybody in the room looked at me like I had just suffocated a box of kittens. Guess it's a good thing I left off the part about purchasing a new MAS stick too.

:lol:

Overall it was alot of fun and, surprisingly, talking about fighting games for an hour and a half felt like maybe 15 minutes. And you guys will be happy to know that we almost unanimously voted that the WORST idea for a new fighting game was featuring famous/celebrity characters. :)

Anyone from the other group (6:30) have any details about goings on?

KM

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by kingmajix

As far as concrete information, there isn't much. Right now they're looking at putting the Hyper (Anniv.) + SFIII together for the whopping price of $29.99. Other than that I think they were just looking to get ideas.


THAT'S FUCKING AWESOME... UBERZ0RZ FUCKING HOTTZZNESSZZZ, MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

</being a five year old dip shit>

anyways, i'm glad people went and actually discussed this shit. i hope that capcom doesnt make another 3d fighter, because imo, the only good one was rival schools, and i didn't like that too much. a faster, mvc2 ish type game would work, but actually if they put time and effort into it, a vampire savior game, or SF4 would probably all work. i'm in for a vampire savior 3 :) no shitty darkforce this time though.... grrr capcom grrrr!!!!

some1 should have mentioned shoryuken.com, because althouh i know that this is the biggest SF community on the web, i don't think that big corps like capcom know about us. i think that if more people knew that SRK existed, then the SF community would grow and grow. for example, gamepro once mentioned that the best SC2 players go to soulcalibur.com, and i remember that month a TON of members were popping up. i don't really hang on the stats there, so i don't know the specifics, but knew that it went up significantly. they also did the same with ddrfreak.com. i don't think alot of people know about srk, even though we have around the same amount of members, DDRfreak with about 35k, and SC.com with about 13k. we're right in between

another thing is that alot of noobs that come to gamefaqs and ask LEGIT questions get whored on by shit heads like mike yo and jagnashi. what ends up happening is that they give them false or fucked up info, like strider solo > magneto + assist for free... and the noobs become scrubs themselves. the good players rarely even answer anymore just to avoid shit with those two scrubs and whoever else wants to put up false info, or shit info. if they came here, the false informers would be flamed the fuck to hell, and the noobs will start on the right path. i think that being most top player post here in all capcom games, it's safe to say that they'll be given better information, and possibly compete. i remember that i was the biggest scrub on gamefaqs for a while, until people like kaising set me straight and i recovered from that mess, and came here and then got good knowledge to be able to play decently. it's just that gamefaqs is more known to all gamers, so noob fighters go there, when they should go to the site of their gaming choice, whether it be here, gamecombos (when it's back up), soulcalibur.com, tekkenzaibatsu, fierceslash, that virtua fighter one..., or wherever else have you.

my recent experience teaching a noob, sirleschner gives me hope that there IS talent on the horizon, but going to gamefaqs wont show it. SRK is where it's at, IMO, to become GOOD at street fighter. you wont get good by people telling you to go into training mode and try these random combos out. you get good by challenging people and going to an arcade and playing them. people will get tehir best challenges by talking to people here. it just so happened that sirleschner lives relatively close to me, about 20 minutes, so we can actually go play each other, and i can show him shit. he's good at ST, and he's been showing me stuff in taht game... although he's not tournie good, or as good as the xperts here, he's better than me.

[C_2]

choi told them about evo tournaments and other stuffs... well.. i shoudlnt post for him. it's better if he could post the stuffs himself.

[gbursine]

MORE UPDATES1111!!!

and H-king, I hear PJ(rival schools 2) was supppose to be alot better than the first

and i been trying to guide this dude on his ideas for vs3(ds4) on the capcom boards(pg as hell:-\)

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by gbursine
MORE UPDATES1111!!!

and H-king, I hear PJ(rival schools 2) was supppose to be alot better than the first

and i been trying to guide this dude on his ideas for vs3(ds4) on the capcom boards(pg as hell:-\)

i have project justice. it is better, but i still don't like the gameplay. it feels too jerky.

[Wario64]

Hey dudes, this is my first post here. I was part of the 6:45 PM focus group. I'm not a real total hardcore fighter fan like some of you guys, and I didn't even know who John Choi was until today, so it must sound like a sin to you guys that I didn't know who he was, even though I was sitting right next to him at the focus group! :lol:

Anyway, in our group, about more than half favored 2D over 3D. No one in our group favored celebrites/Hollywood characters in fighting games as well. That's what Def Jam Vendetta is for (and when the guy asked if we liked DJV, everyone said they hated it). They asked us if we prefered 60 FPS or 30 FPS. Everyone chose 60 FPS....kinda a dumb question. The majority in our group wanted online play in future console fighting games, as long as it isn't laggy. There was one odd question that they asked us, and that was if EA was to make a fighting game, what should they do in order to beat Capcom at their own game? They're probably referring to the EA vs Marvel game. I think I remember someone in our group suggesting that they should partner up with a company that has done fighting games, like Sammy. They also asked us if we preferred graphics like Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Onimusha, etc. or games with digitized faces like Max Payne (in regards to the next Street Fighter game). I think the majority went towards the MGS,DMC,Onimusha route. Another question they asked is if we would be interested in seeing a new Street Fighter game made with Viewtiful Joe cel shaded type graphics. About half of us (there were 9 partcipants) were interested in a cel shaded Street Fighter, including John if I remember. I also remember someone suggesting that they should include the bonus stages like the car and barrels from SF2 to the next SF. There was also an idea proposed to us about customizble characters. I think almost everyone favored this idea. Customizable characters meaning beyond just the looks/color of the chracter. Like you would be able to customize their attributes, their fighting style, their special moves, etc. Don't know how they would implement it but it sounded interesting. I think that's all I can remember...it was a pretty interesting though. I just wished it was done at Capcom's headquarters directly instead at some 3rd party research company. The guy conducting our session even admitted that he wasn't really a big fan of video games. It's a shame it wasn't at Capcom too cause I partcipated at a Capcom focus group in December 2003, and it was pretty cool since the sessions were done directly with Capcom's teams. Oh well...still better than nothing. At least these focus groups will somewhat influece Capcom for the next fighitng game.

[hadoken king]

customizing your character completely? sounds like project justice... basically... they can only do it with a 3d game... unless they do shit like...

u get 50 points... what character design...

ryu...

hadoken... (small - 3 points, medium - 5 points, large - 10 points)

crap like that where u could just adjust the moves that they do, not like, giving a ryu sprite psycho crusher or thousand hand slaps

[Knubbe]

Originally posted by kingmajix

...

Ah I know who you are. I was in the same group as you, my name is Philip. Good thing I didn't mention how much I've spent on sticks too...

I figured someone else from SRK was there just didn't bother asking.

Also, a lot of their questions were kinda abstract and hard to answer, like "What would you look for in a new character"

Ya I was surprised how little some people there knew about the newer games, even though they're a few years old. Only half the people in there knew about the Guilty Gear series.

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by Knubbe

Also, a lot of their questions were kinda abstract and hard to answer, like "What would you look for in a new character"

how about... not a shoto clone, not a gay looking frenchman with an soldier's moves, not an alien...etc... look at some of the new KoF designs. IMO, some are really fucking awesome. also, anime inspired characters. look at guilty gear's character design.

[Wario64]

Someone mentioned something about Guilty Gear when they asked us what we would like in a new character. Hopefully they'll check Guilty Gear over if Capcom decides to make a new character. But yeah, those questions were pretty tough to answer

[Musker]

Mixah get your facts straight.

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by Musker
Mixah get your facts straight.
mind elaborating jared? i've said alot

[Skyler]

WTH, they got people that dont even know anything about fighting games going to the survey. why thats really wise of capcom to choose people that dont even know a thing about fighting games except do something new:mad: well at least john choi was there. so far things sound good, but what will the future hold for capcom now???:cool:

(wish SNKP would do this kind of thing too so someone can tell there candy ass to stop using that sorry ass MVS system.)

[AHVB]

Did They Ask About Online Play?

[Musker]

Originally posted by hadoken king

mind elaborating jared? i've said alot

Check your pm's. I hate on people for posting 1v1 convos on threads so I'm not gonna be a hypocrite =p.

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by Musker


Check your pm's. I hate on people for posting 1v1 convos on threads so I'm not gonna be a hypocrite =p.


i replied

[kingmajix]

Ah, good to know it was you Philip! I thought you were the only other decent person in the room :P

Anyway, it's very important to remember when reading this feedback that we weren't in a dialogue-type situation with the game makers themselves. We were answering questions posed to us by a 3rd party researcher who was more or less clueless (by his own admission). Occasionally the people watching would pass a note through and we'd answer a specific question from them but there was really no give and take. We were just answering questions.

I forgot about the cel-shaded part... that was one of the last questions they asked. We were all pretty receptive to it and I honestly wouldn't mind as long as it's not overly childlike. I also wrote on my survey that I wouldn't mind seeing a SF RPG if done correctly possibly with SD characters (like the import only Neo CD Samurai Showdown RPG from many years ago)

They were also asking tons of questions about what we'd like to see in a new character but I really think they were barking up the wrong tree. Personally I think the characters from the SF games even including 3rd Strike are pretty great. It's just about making them relevant and usable.

But the answer of the night had to be this:

Researcher: Do you think Capcom is the #1 fighting game company?
Idiot: No I don't
Researcher: Well who is the best then?
Idiot: Hmmm... I'd have to think about that.
[pauses for a little bit]
Idiot: Actually I'd have to say that there is no #1.

Yep, that's pretty much what we were dealing with.

Also, I think it's important to note that at one time we broached the $$$ vs. meaning critique. Someone mentioned that if they make another SF game it would be great fan service but it might not sell. Therein lies the conundrum. I KNOW that most of "us" don't want to see some Soul Calibur-ish 3-D Street Fighter. It just wouldn't be right. (If I'm speaking grossly out of turn then I apologize but I'm pretty sure I'm with the majority here.) But when it comes to "them", the mainstream consumer, they don't care about Street Fighter's rich nostalgic history. They aren't the ones buying Capcom's art books. All they see when they look at a recent Street Fighter game is graphics that look too "old". So if Capcom caters to "us", they do so at the risk of alienating a new audience.

It's just like the rapper who has crazy skills on the mic but who squanders his talent by making wannabe radio songs in the hopes that he can get "paid". Should he stay true to the art form and make the best and most meaningful songs he can? Or should he sell out and change his style to sound like everyone else so he can hopefully get a bigger slice of the pie at the end of the day?

Based on the questions that were posed I honestly think they're trying to do a little of both which is admirable. I know that Capcom won't be quick to turn their backs on the fans that helped to build the company in the first place.

KM

[caliagent#3]

thanks for replying to the thread. I'm really interested in what everyone else has to say if they went. The only thing that i'm getting mad about are the people who went and knew nothing about fighting games. If i was there, and some idiot who didn't even play said some dumb shit, he would've caught a left hook, seriously. This is our chance to get a new SF and i don't want some scrub ruining it.

[CLuBBERz]

Originally posted by m121akuma


Last I checked, CaliPower played on Live...

Besides, the option is a nice touch. No, it won't be arcade perfect, and yes, the lag will sometimes effect gameplay. But that does not make the matches completely worthless, as often the lag is a mere hiccup at the versus screen and nothing more. Besides, the only way to improve upon online play is to continue to work on it and perfect it through testing in commercial releases.

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THIS game is too laggy for online play. when you cannot throw a roll or telegraph a jump in and even if you have an anti air ready for them cannot hit them with it because of lag and latency you will get very annoyed. i've played over 4000 games on cvs2 xbox live, i gotta say in all honesty it falls pail in comparison to the arcade version....in a game where roll your characters special//roll throw/roll super work THAT good or free jump in's work like a charm or having to change up your timing due to the latency on combo's/ two in one's XBL is not very street fighter friendly. i'd hate to see MVC2 on xbl that would be a distaster.

[Skyler]

well to tell you all the truth, capcom is still the #1 fighting games for they got more better fighting games than SNKP, Sega, Sammy, EA, Midway, and Atari. so who else can topple there reign of chaos through out the years. only company that came close was SNK, but in 2001 they file for bankruptcy which prove that capcom did dominate in the end even without fighting games to back them up. aye, all we can do now is ask capcom to make fighting game for the more hardcore fans out there. the video game business move to fast now days and for fighting games to try to reach out the other audience isnt gonna be easy, cause in the end only us hardcore gamers will still be alive while the rest whither away. :cool:

[Battosai]

Did anyone even mention that they should at least release Hyper sf2 ae as the last u.s. arcade marquee game? They started big with sf2 and why not end it with the sf2 ae?

[Time_Stop]

Originally posted by Skyler
only company that came close was SNK, but in 2001 they file for bankruptcy which prove that capcom did dominate in the end even without fighting games to back them up.

That had NOTHING to do with their sales or any kind of money issues. Please get some real info before you talk trash. You can easily find detailed info on the bankruptcy.

[caliagent#3]

Originally posted by Time_Stop


That had NOTHING to do with their sales or any kind of money issues. Please get some real info before you talk trash. You can easily find detailed info on the bankruptcy.

don't take it so personally. He wasn't talking trash, he was just saying something that he thought was fact. And of course SNK wouldn't have went bankrupt if they didn't have financial problems, so obviously they weren't making the amount of money that they needed.

[unstopable E]

;)
Great replies! I'm glad to hear talk of perhaps a new SF. I wish I could have went. I also think online capabilities should be provided; I've played plenty of matches of cvs2 on xbox live that were at or very close to arcade speed. And of course I've played some crazy lag matches too, but you win some you lose some. It should get better over time.

[m121akuma]

Well, despite the idiots, it looks like Capcom is really up to something...and I like it. I do think that things said by people who know their stuff will carry more weight in this whole thing anyways, so I'm not to worried about Capcom getting discouraged by morons.

[Hydra632]

Was there any mention of the rumored SF2:AE/SF3:3S for xbox?

[Wario64]

Originally posted by Hydra632
Was there any mention of the rumored SF2:AE/SF3:3S for xbox?

Nope. We had to tell them our interest for the Anniversary Edition at the end of the meeting, and someone asked what console this is for. The guy just said assume it's for PS2

I should also add that the moderator who conducted the session admitted that he wasn't really into video games, so....

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by Wario64


I should also add that the moderator who conducted the session admitted that he wasn't really into video games, so....

then WTF was he doing moderating?

[Knubbe]

The marketting/research company was the one doing the questioning. Capcom sent a few guys to observe and they added followup questions from behind closed doors but we never saw them directly

[SSJGouKi]

Originally posted by Skyler
well to tell you all the truth, capcom is still the #1 fighting games for they got more better fighting games than SNKP, Sega, Sammy, EA, Midway, and Atari.


Wait a sec... last i checked VF4 EVO is #1 in Japan and GGXX/#R is so far played more then any capcom game currently over there. And i don't think capcom made those game. And the KOF games are extremely popular in Asia.

[KaiSingrz]

Maybe, but Capcom now has CvS2, 3s, and Hyper SFII AE that are pretty popular in japan. That's 3 games on the other companies, all of which have 1.

[shoryukenH2]

Originally posted by Knubbe
The marketting/research company was the one doing the questioning. Capcom sent a few guys to observe and they added followup questions from behind closed doors but we never saw them directly

M.BISON WAS WATCHING YOU!!

Sorry, that was bad. Anyway, if Capcom were to develop a new Street Fighter game, it really would have to be some kind of 3D newbie friendly trash in order to be a financial success. I got a distinct feeling for that after seeing Street Fighter lose to Mario RPG in gamefaq's "best game ever" tournament and reading people's comments like "Mario RPG is more fun!"

[Hoonyo]

I want to hear from that progamer John Choi.