Mag/Cable/Sent A aka team row is it overrated

[sanford kelly]

I think team row is a great team but to me it has alot of counters it must face honestly I would rather start sent on team row(sent/cable/mags.
These are hard match ups for team row assuming they start mags Imo.
msp
msc
sent/strider/doom(I would love to see someone TRY to beat clockwork with team row starting mags in a 2 out of 3).
storm/sent/cyclops
mss A
storm/sent/capcom
spiral/sent/capcom.

Starting sent has the same bad match ups but it does better than starting mags the only team I see it beating if sent is started it spiral/sent/capcom.

Team row is great but imo its starting to fade away a little
these are the people I think use team row the best.

Rodolfo castro
Justin wong

This is just my opinion people post yours
:).

[KaiSingrz]

I'm actually going to somewhat agree with you sanford. There are 3 things that can really kill team Row

1. Runaway
2. Lockdown
3. High priority assists

To be able to use team row effectively, you also have to know how to deal with those 3 things. Team Row overall is balanced and a safe bet in that you have 3 good characters, all of which work well together in just about any combination. It's just that every combination available has VERY obvious weaknesses, however few they may be. So if you want to pick team row, make sure you're fighting an opponent who can't effectively utilize any of those 3 tactics. Or at least have a gameplan against each one.

[*InVeRs3*]

Is team Row good for someone relearning marvel again?

[sanford kelly]

I think the reason team row is not that good anymore is because CABLE is not cuting it these days justin wong is thinking about giving up team row because CABLES on it
:bluu: .

[KaiSingrz]

does that mean he's gonna bust out Magneto/Cyclops/Sent-a?

[sanford kelly]

HaHa naw I just wanted to see what ppl would say if I said cyclops is better than cable im no cyclops player.

[Ouroborus]

god damn now cable is gettin hated on.:(

first its blackheart, then cable.

spiral and doom disappeared from the scene for a while now.

just watch two more years later, storm and sentinel will be the only characters left worth using.

[NerenatwaH]

i think i saw a movie on denjinvideo of Soo beating Clockwork with team Row

[El_Beno]

Originally posted by sanford kelly

spiral/sent/capcom.


People play that team?

[NeoBlanka]

Yeah, I used to play team row, but after getting destroyed by running Storms, and a number of Cyclops/ Commandos/ Psylocks, I decided that there WERE just too many counters. It really has almost no defense against a running Storm. It IS a good team, but I came to the conclusion that it can be easily beaten as well.

MSP 4 life.:lol:

[Carnevil]

Originally posted by KaiSingrz
does that mean he's gonna bust out Magneto/Cyclops/Sent-a? Ask anyone down here... I've started playing Mag/Sent-a/Cyclops as the "new" team Row :D I like that team a lot.

[Cisco]

Row is good on chemistry, but i agree w/ the counters listed.
It's because their assists are really handicapped IMO, Cable [b] lacks some invincibility and Sentinel[a] can get stuffed by allot of AAA's. Although i still see it as a top winning team, but not as highly as MSP, or santhrax.

I think Magneto/Sentinel[y]/Doom[b] > ROW

[donaldducktm]

all u have to do is play smart. capitalize on mistakes and have perfect execution. no fuk ups either...(i don't follow these advices)

[Cisco]

Originally posted by sanford kelly


sent/strider/doom(I would love to see someone TRY to beat
Starting sent has the same bad match ups but it does better

:).

Actually Soo beat clockwOrk using Row, i think it's in denjin.
I have only seen 3 vids where Row was being used, and apperently one every single one.

:bluu: There's no good S/D vids anymore?

[CutThroat]

I don't know about this. Row does have alot of counters but I only think that's true because there is no assist charcter. Yes cable's anti-air has it's uses and so does Sents. But since I have to play those characters I don't feel right using them as assists. I think of Row as a team for more advanced players due to the the fact that all characters are playable.

my two pennies ;[

[samB]

i think team row is good but not as good as it use to be because of the fact cable sucks and runaway storm wins easily against team row

everybody should stop using cable

and yes mag/sent/ cycke is hella good.

[The Enigma]

Originally posted by samB
i think team row is good but not as good as it use to be because of the fact cable sucks and runaway stop wins easily against team row

everybody should stop using cable

and yes cable/sent/ cycke is hella good What the hell? You're contradicting yourself... :D

But you're right that Cable isn't as good now as he used to be. Team Row is a pretty solid team at first glance. Three very playable characters with solid assists to back them up. But they just have too many critical weaknesses that just tear the team apart. Anyone remember back when Row reversed his team (Sent/Cable/Mag)? Just curious.

[AudioProject]

Originally posted by NerenatwaH
i think i saw a movie on denjinvideo of Soo beating Clockwork with team Row

If you don't give strider or sentinel breathing room with magneto, then row can fuck shit up.

[StiltMan]

Originally posted by sanford kelly
I think the reason team row is not that good anymore is because CABLE is not cuting it these days justin wong is thinking about giving up team row because CABLES on it
:bluu: .

Well, Team Row only works at a high level if your Cable can defend himself from the rush. Justin's can't. Quite frankly, he looks downright lost when he tries it. Not hating against Justin, he's hardly alone on this, and outside of the Northwest you won't find many Cables able to do it at all... but it can be done, and a large reason for why Team Row is that much more popular up here than it is in the rest of the country is simple... Cable does not lose to Magneto for free here.

Most anywhere else (including in the game film between Justin and yourself), MSP in particular can snap in a Team Row's Cable and fuck the whole team up from there. Against Row himself, or someone with a Cable approaching his level, that just doesn't work. In fact, I actually had this conversation with Row earlier today. He hadn't seen the game film of your latest marathon match with Justin, but when I told him that you were tearing Justin's version of his team apart by simply snapping in Cable, Row actually seemed rather shocked that that actually works on Justin. It wouldn't work on Row. Kuan can beat Row with MSP, but he's not doing it by exploiting any perceived weaknesses on Cable's part against the rush, because in Row's case, those "weaknesses" simply do not exist.

Oh, and samB's saying that Cable/Sent/Cyke is hella good because he loses to mine for free regardless of what he's using. :D

[SNAKESHOTPEOPLE]

I think it's just as simple as using Cable effectivley and playing that RP assist well.IMO If a person can play a really good Cable then they can hold their team row together well.

[Kuan]

i guess ill give my input

first of all, i think EC looks down on cable cuz hes not played enough over there to have exploited all his abilities

but

i also have to agree that mag/psy is gonna kill cable on team row just about every time at high level play

lastly, i think team row is still pretty fuckin buff. every team has at least one counter

[D.HYO]

Originally posted by sanford kelly
I think the reason team row is not that good anymore is because CABLE is not cuting it these days justin wong is thinking about giving up team row because CABLES on it
:bluu: . He really should, because cable is just sucky now. He needs to stick with storm.

[Blackheart2097]

for some odd reason my MSP doesn't do so hot against row unless they start magneto. if sentinel starts my psylocke is fucked.dunno i guess something odd with me:confused:

i woulda say row is totally slipping but it does lose badly to high priority assist. AKA commando

storm with commado does pretty damn well against that team. from my expiriences anyway

[Cisco]

Row is the best team... written on paper that is. I mean you have Magneto who can kill and pick up a high lead with just the first c.lk. Then you have the two biggest comeback characters in the Game Sentinel and Cable.

The thing is that Magneto is equiped w/ two slight above average assists IMO. That is why it doesn't have the props at this date, Sentinel's rocket punch gets stuffed by Doom's rocks and Cable lacks the invincibility to defend Magnus and Sentinel.
Any good AAA like the Cyclops's, Cammy's, or Commando can really be hell for Magneto since his assists can do shit against it.
Although i can't really see how team clockwOrk can beat this team, strider does die fast by basic resets, and a smart player knows how to stop doom from doing his shield.

Row is still the apart of the best teams in the game imo, due to the intence damage by each hit.

[50mOrEcEnTz]

Originally posted by Cisco
The thing is that Magneto is equiped w/ two slight above average assists IMO. That is why it doesn't have the props at this date, Sentinel's rocket punch gets stuffed by Doom's rocks and Cable lacks the invincibility to defend Magnus and Sentinel.
Any good AAA like the Cyclops's, Cammy's, or Commando can really be hell for Magneto since his assists can do shit against it.
Although i can't really see how team clockwOrk can beat this team, strider does die fast by basic resets, and a smart player knows how to stop doom from doing his shield.
what in the world are you talking about...man, im not sure if you are a high level mag player or not, but cable's AAA is one of the hardest AAA's to get around (harder than cyke and cap, the two standard AAA's, are easier to get around than cable's AAA). then sent-a just being "slightly above average?" come on, you must not do triple fierce resets. cuz if you do, if you land one reset off of triple fierce with sent-a, that is a dead character unless it is somebody beef like sentinel...but of course u snap that swoll nikkah out

anyways...i think team row is going to be a good team to use in high level competition. there is a plus, your mag vs another mag, you have a c.lk assist in sent-a, and you have your "get the fuck off me" button in cable-b, so row vs mss-a, technically, row's mag has more options than mss-a's mag if that makes any sense. i do see downfalls in cable, but...iono, i think ahvb x3 will stand the test of time, cable isn't going anywhere...if your mag gets the kill on team row, tag in gb...

[JALbert]

Watching Row play cable last night banishes any doubts I have about whether or not Row is one of the best teams.

Cable can't just wait for mistakes anymore, but back him up with an assist and he can force them. Some sick action coming from Rowtron messin' people up last night. Oh, and Randy Lew at regionals was tearing shit up w/ cable as well.


In conclusion: If you think Cable sucks, get yours better.

[Rairu]

Originally posted by Cisco


The thing is that Magneto is equiped w/ two slight above average assists IMO. That is why it doesn't have the props at this date, Sentinel's rocket punch gets stuffed by Doom's rocks and Cable lacks the invincibility to defend Magnus and Sentinel.
Any good AAA like the Cyclops's, Cammy's, or Commando can really be hell for Magneto since his assists can do shit against it.
Although i can't really see how team clockwOrk can beat this team, strider does die fast by basic resets, and a smart player knows how to stop doom from doing his shield.



another nasty Cisco post.

slightly above average assists? rocket punch can't fight commando? strider dies to basic resets?

how about this: rocket punch is one of magneto's favorite assists. mag/sent-a is probably the best anti commando shiet there is. how about instead of doing a reset on strider I just kill him with one combo.

your posts are consistently really bad. i dont get it cause it seems like you know how to play from the footage i saw.

[samB]

stilt STFU, all i have to say bout ur scrub clops is genesplice x AHVB

yea wtf, assist get raped by RP assist. from what i saw from the last vids from NY, X vs sanford, sanfords RP was fuckin commando up



jk tall old white guy

[AL the great]

Originally posted by *InVeRs3*
Is team Row good for someone relearning marvel again?

negative.

[demiSe]

Originally posted by Rairu
your posts are consistently really bad. i dont get it cause it seems like you know how to play from the footage i saw.

You're probably thinking of Crisco.

[RunningInThe90s]

mst counters row nasty just gotta snap in cable :evil:

[epsilon_]

I think Mags/Sent-a/Cykes is better than alot of teams. Better than Scrub, Row, and MSS-a IMO. Overall I think Storm/Sent/Cykes is the best team.

[Carnevil]

Originally posted by epsilon_
I think Mags/Sent-a/Cykes is better than alot of teams. Better than Scrub, Row, and MSS-a IMO. I concur with my associate, Mr. epsilon_

[Rairu]

nasty

[Evil Rahsaan]

Originally posted by StiltMan


Well, Team Row only works at a high level if your Cable can defend himself from the rush. Justin's can't. Quite frankly, he looks downright lost when he tries it. Not hating against Justin, he's hardly alone on this, and outside of the Northwest you won't find many Cables able to do it at all... but it can be done, and a large reason for why Team Row is that much more popular up here than it is in the rest of the country is simple... Cable does not lose to Magneto for free here.

Most anywhere else (including in the game film between Justin and yourself), MSP in particular can snap in a Team Row's Cable and fuck the whole team up from there. Against Row himself, or someone with a Cable approaching his level, that just doesn't work. In fact, I actually had this conversation with Row earlier today. He hadn't seen the game film of your latest marathon match with Justin, but when I told him that you were tearing Justin's version of his team apart by simply snapping in Cable, Row actually seemed rather shocked that that actually works on Justin. It wouldn't work on Row. Kuan can beat Row with MSP, but he's not doing it by exploiting any perceived weaknesses on Cable's part against the rush, because in Row's case, those "weaknesses" simply do not exist.

Oh, and samB's saying that Cable/Sent/Cyke is hella good because he loses to mine for free regardless of what he's using. :D

Sure rodolpho's Cable beats GOOD msp

[AsianDemon]

Originally posted by RunningInThe90s
mst counters row nasty just gotta snap in cable :evil: not really a good idea though... cable with sent[a] would be hard still... errrr... really hard still.... although its just better if you had a snapback just go for 100% against magz to bring in cable...

[Smokeyp91]

blackheart doom and sent is the top squad

[Cisco]

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz
what in the world are you talking about...man, im not sure if you are a high level mag player or not, but cable's AAA is one of the hardest AAA's to get around (harder than cyke and cap, the two standard AAA's, are easier to get around than cable's AAA). then sent-a just being "slightly above average?" come on, you must not do triple fierce resets. cuz if you do, if you land one reset off of triple fierce with sent-a, that is a dead character unless it is somebody beef like sentinel...but of course u snap that swoll nikkah out



I never doubted the damage that the Sentinel [a] assist gives,
thats why i still see Row as apart of the top 5 teams due to their damage momentum.

The rocket punch assist gets stuffed by allot of assists especially Dooms and most AAA's thats why i am complaining about it. It just doesn't provide the defense compared to his drones assist, to me it's slight above average due to how counterable it is and thats about it. The Rocket punch is a good assist i never said it wasn't, it's just not to high in average for me compared to others.

[Xecutioner]

Well I don't know how this team is overrated because I think it's not used to it's full potential. Players are always lacking a Sentinel on team Row. They either have a good Magneto or Cable, but rarely a Sentinel. And no it dosen't suck now because Cable is on the team, team Row is a Cable team in the first place. IMO, I think team Row can fight any team except MSP and Storm/Sent/Cyke. With MSP, you don't even have to snap in Cable to fuck shit up. I think it's a bad idea snapping in Cable because you will put them on the defensive and you can run into Mag or Sent assist. While if they start Magneto, they can run into Psylocke and get dropped for fun. Im not going to say Sent because no one starts Sent anymore except for a few players. Against team Matrix, see Justin vs Row at EVO2K2 and all will be answered.


Fullmetal Daywalker

[megafighter]

What seems to b hurting Cable in many teams is teh lack of a high priority aaa. Would not Cable/Sentinel/Cyclops be a good choice nowadays, considering most people start Storm or Mags? I believe that Cable, with his favorite assists (IMO sent g and cyc b), can play a pretty good game against mags and storm. Any opinions?

[RunningInThe90s]

Originally posted by Cisco



I never doubted the damage that the Sentinel [a] assist gives,
thats why i still see Row as apart of the top 5 teams due to their damage momentum.

The rocket punch assist gets stuffed by allot of assists especially Dooms and most AAA's thats why i am complaining about it. It just doesn't provide the defense compared to his drones assist, to me it's slight above average due to how counterable it is and thats about it. The Rocket punch is a good assist i never said it wasn't, it's just not to high in average for me compared to others.

Well rp assist isnt invincible but it will eat up light attacks and punish you for mistakes. From what your saying, people dont use the assist right. rp assist is used for combos, block strings and repostioning, snapouts, reset attempts, and counter assisting. For defense you call in advance and pushblock into him, works best with cable ;). People who dont call the assist right gets counter called by a more prioritized assist and will get rushed the fuck down safely of course.

Seriously on Team Row cable is the defense and that scimitar hits everything on startup, whatever it trades with he goes back in quick as hell and mags can infinite off of the assist just gotta be quick in both situations blocking or comboing into it. I think Row is not overrated but its definately not a pick up and play team like msp :p

[da_dragon]

Originally posted by Xecutioner
Well I don't know how this team is overrated because I think it's not used to it's full potential. Players are always lacking a Sentinel on team Row. They either have a good Magneto or Cable, but rarely a Sentinel. And no it dosen't suck now because Cable is on the team, team Row is a Cable team in the first place. IMO, I think team Row can fight any team except MSP and Storm/Sent/Cyke. With MSP, you don't even have to snap in Cable to fuck shit up. I think it's a bad idea snapping in Cable because you will put them on the defensive and you can run into Mag or Sent assist. While if they start Magneto, they can run into Psylocke and get dropped for fun. Im not going to say Sent because no one starts Sent anymore except for a few players. Against team Matrix, see Justin vs Row at EVO2K2 and all will be answered.


Fullmetal Daywalker

actually X..i think the thing people are lacking on a team row is a good cable imho, i mean im one of the people u mention cu zi only have a decent magneto..but my sent is 5 times betta than my cable, he just inst cutting it mainly cuz i dont put the effort into learning him, and i think this applies to everyone else who dropped team row for mss-a, i mean i still rep team row..but i play mss-a alot more cuz i rack up more wins because cable isnt holding me back..juss my opinion tho...maybe i should invest time in cable....

[DeathScythe]

Ono should work on that guy's English.