How come JoJo Bizzare Adventure and the Darkstalker series aren't tourny worthy?

[OmNiExiZt]

I've often wanted to know why these games haven't been played at EVO. Is there something wrong with them, is it a resource problem are the games to broken, what is it? Is it because that it doesn't have a large fan base? I like playing them both as well as the other fighters on a daily bases. So that's why I'm asking. I know that they still play SF2ST game and JoJo and Darkstalkers are newer games. Now I know newer dosen't mean better, but that would be 2 more games to play. It would be fun to see those 2 games make a comeback. So whats the reason behind not having them?

*ONEZ*

[FatalFuryD]

I bet these great games won't get played at major tournaments "because they do not have a scene."

[OmNiExiZt]

Originally posted by FatalFuryD
I bet these great games won't get played at major tournaments "because they do not have a scene."

Maybe, but what does these days. Nobody really goes to the arcades anymore. Do you think it would be hard to build a scene for these games. I bet if they announce an exhibiton for them at EVO people would start playing them. What do you think?

*ONEZ*

[Thongboy Bebop]

Originally posted by OmNiExiZt


Maybe, but what does these days. Nobody really goes to the arcades anymore. Do you think it would be hard to build a scene for these games. I bet if they announce an exhibiton for them at EVO people would start playing them. What do you think?

*ONEZ*

They can just cut/paste the anti-A3 argument.

N - Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see all 3 get down.

[Sonic Hedgehog]

In my opinion I think that would be a much more exciting tournament to watch. If you threw something in there that no one was expecting, like Dark Stalkers or Jo Jo or something, no one would be prepared.

I mean, the final battles of these tournaments are just top-tier fests anyway...not really that exciting to watch, so I think something "without a scene" would mix it up a bit.

Just my opinion though. DS and Jojo are great games, but we'll never see them at Evo or anything else.

[koogy]

Originally posted by Sonic Hedgehog
I mean, the final battles of these tournaments are just top-tier fests anyway...not really that exciting to watch...

Sounds like this top game everyone in america plays! Hmmm...

[FlameAngelX]

SHAQ FU!!!!

...

What?

[OmNiExiZt]

Originally posted by Sonic Hedgehog
In my opinion I think that would be a much more exciting tournament to watch. If you threw something in there that no one was expecting, like Dark Stalkers or Jo Jo or something, no one would be prepared.

I mean, the final battles of these tournaments are just top-tier fests anyway...not really that exciting to watch, so I think something "without a scene" would mix it up a bit.

Just my opinion though. DS and Jojo are great games, but we'll never see them at Evo or anything else.

Who are you telling!!! I bought the last 2 EVO DVD'S (last years and this years) and I don't plan on getting the next one. I havne't had a chance to play in a tourny but I have an idea of how competitive it can be. Normally if I go to the arcades and play something I always try to pick low or medium tired. After I loose a few dollars from being out gunned then I jump on the bandwagon of the big 5 or 3 (depending on the game) to shut the braggers up. After that I go back to using a little of everyone else. I get tired of watching the same MvsC2 matchups and Sagat, Blanka and 3rd character here matches. The tekken series is the same way. Jin and more Jin. Even though its not the same person playing, most of the players styles of play look to similar to tell them apart. Then there was TTT, if it wasn't a mishima it was the ogores which= boring. I enjoyed SC2 for the most part because everyone is tourny worthy and there was a lot of different characters being used. But enough EVO DVD bashing. I know people want to win and I know they are going to do what it takes to win. So I can't balme them for picking top tier. I think someone needs to get in there and do the blind character select every once in a while. You'd end up with a wrong groove/assist and character. If you've only specialized in the big 5/3 then your ass is grass. This would throw a hell of a monkey wrench into the tournament. But yeah, Jo Jo and DS forever.

I think that capcom should stop worrying about getting the rights to comic book characters and just make a damn SF vs Capcom. Sure the title sounds kind of stupid (the best I could come up with:D ) But with all of the characters they have from different games I'm sure they could pull it off. Hell they bout over the damn devil from ghost & goblins. Insane ken is shit. If any of you have played MUGEN you know that Evil Ken was designed a lot better. Whats worse is that he was made by second rate programers. These are the type of people we need working at capcom.

[gbursine]

red beret should make more fighting games.

Vampire savior is one of capcoms most balanced games(behind sf:hf)... and they didnt even make it.

[Hoonyo]

who said they weren't?

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME PROOF HMM?

[Remy Saotome]

Vampire Savior, the third game in the DarkStalkers series, is a very tourney-worthy game. Extremely well balanced and a lot of diversity in the cast. The main reason it doesn't appear at EVO and such is because the machines are rare in America, so it hasn't developed much of a fan following.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

THE WORLD!!!!!

[Burningfist]

Jojo is too broken, tight ass game though.

VS is fun, but I dont think it could hold my interest for very long even if it was a tourny game.

[ryucross]

Only problem I have with Vampire Savior is that everything I like about it is done in Guilty Gear, and GG has a larger fanbase and is a still running series. The only thing VS has over GG is the Capcom logo, which doens't mean much to me.

As far as JoJo goes, simply put, NO. Evo is the largest tournament in the US, correct. But just because a fighting game exists does not mean that it should be in Evo. But there are other big tournaments you can try shit at. Its not written in stone that Evo is 100% end all be all of US tournaments. Talk to one of the guys who runs one of slightly smaller but still big tournaments. See if you can get JoJo's at next years Texas Showdown and Northeast Championships. If it picks up, it might make it to ECC, MWC and Evo.

[thedude.com]

man i want projus in evo , i heard it was popular in asia and japan too , we could see a custom-characters match ...seeinghow they got ***ed by party-ups ....


man jojo in evo ... would cool shit ...
"THE WORLD "

audience : " AWWWWW SHIT !!! "

[OmNiExiZt]

Only problem I have with Vampire Savior is that everything I like about it is done in Guilty Gear, and GG has a larger fanbase and is a still running series. The only thing VS has over GG is the Capcom logo, which doens't mean much to me.

As far as JoJo goes, simply put, NO. Evo is the largest tournament in the US, correct. But just because a fighting game exists does not mean that it should be in Evo. But there are other big tournaments you can try shit at. Its not written in stone that Evo is 100% end all be all of US tournaments. Talk to one of the guys who runs one of slightly smaller but still big tournaments. See if you can get JoJo's at next years Texas Showdown and Northeast Championships. If it picks up, it might make it to ECC, MWC and Evo.


Unfortunately for me, I live in Korea right now so going to a tourny is impossible. Taking trips up to Seoul every other weekend isn't cheap either and there aren't any good arcades here in kunsan.

*ONEZ*

[FatalFuryD]

can you read or write korean?

you can do a search for decent arcade around you here.
http://www.battlepage.com/index.php?menu=b_gameroom&search=&keyword=&page=1
make sure to do a search for providence instead of cities.

[Adam Warlock]

As one of the few avid Jojo's players I'd LOVE to see it get tourney play, but the interest just isn't there. Everytime I show someone the game they're like "oh! That's tight as fuck!" but they never take the time to learn it. It's like marvel mixed with CVS2, what more could you ask for?

[Time_Stop]

Is there any link for good Jojo videos (combo or matches, whatever)?

[Sano]

Vampire Savior did make Arcadia's second Tournament, but it's a different scene over there in Japan.

[crazydiamond]

Well expect Jojo's to get more popular come April 2005. It will finally be seeing a Western release through Viz comics and people will be treating it as though it never existed before 2005. -_-

I hope the Jojo game gets the attention it deserves. It's system is probably the most complex out of all the Capcom 2d fighters though.

[DragonSama]

And I might add in

why isn't KOF 2K3 at Evo?
why isn't Fatal Fury MOTW at Evo?
why isn't Samurai Showdown special at Evo?
why isn't MK:D at Evo?
why isn't SVC at Evo?
why isn't DOA at Evo?


(Ok so the last 3 are jsut silly but the first 3 are worthy)

[crazydiamond]

And I might add in

why isn't KOF 2K3 at Evo?
why isn't Fatal Fury MOTW at Evo?
why isn't Samurai Showdown special at Evo?
why isn't MK:D at Evo?
why isn't SVC at Evo?
why isn't DOA at Evo?


(Ok so the last 3 are jsut silly but the first 3 are worthy)

Do you mean that they can't include everything at tournaments?

[DragonSama]

Do you mean that they can't include everything at tournaments?

No because as well all know tournaments always have every fighting game known to man at them. :rolleyes:

[crazydiamond]

No because as well all know tournaments always have every fighting game known to man at them. :rolleyes:

Well I was only using 'everything' in relation to your post because you listed a lot of games that weren't included. But thanks for taking it to the extreme.
Maybe you are a little upset that some of your favourite games aren't given deserved attention either? That's fine.

[Time_Stop]

Well expect Jojo's to get more popular come April 2005. It will finally be seeing a Western release through Viz comics and people will be treating it as though it never existed before 2005. -_-


Well, from my avatar you should know how i feel about Jojo, but... No way it´s going to sell in the US. It´s going to be cancelled by volume 3, i bet.

[WasFemto]

DOA is tight, don't hate.

[Gasaraki]

Time stop is probably right. Just have to settle for slow scanlations

[crazydiamond]

Well, from my avatar you should know how i feel about Jojo, but... No way it´s going to sell in the US. It´s going to be cancelled by volume 3, i bet.

You reckon? I just assumed it would sell because it was popular in Japan, and Europe as well I think. Also it's probably closer to Super Hero comics than other manga that have become popular, so it may do well. ?

[DragonSama]

Well I was only using 'everything' in relation to your post because you listed a lot of games that weren't included. But thanks for taking it to the extreme.
Maybe you are a little upset that some of your favourite games aren't given deserved attention either? That's fine.

No. I was just saying (that at least in my last post) that there are a lot off good games that are not there. EVO I think does a pretty good job of picking some very entertaining games but they have to draw the line somewhere and leave some things off. Would I like to see some of the games I listed at EVO? Absolutely. Will I cry over them not being there? No because I know that it is impossible to have everything there.

[Time_Stop]

You reckon? I just assumed it would sell because it was popular in Japan, and Europe as well I think. Also it's probably closer to Super Hero comics than other manga that have become popular, so it may do well. ?

Araki´s anatomy and perspective is too over-the-top (sometimes literally "wrong"), most people dismiss it as "ugly" right away.

Plus series 1, 2, 4, 6 and SBR are not commercial at all. Only Series 3 and 5 are actually commercially viable... Add the fact it´s pretty homo-erotic, and you have "failure" written out all over it.

I hope i´m wrong, but i don´t think so.

I still want japanese Perfect Editions, though.

[OmNiExiZt]

No. I was just saying (that at least in my last post) that there are a lot off good games that are not there. EVO I think does a pretty good job of picking some very entertaining games but they have to draw the line somewhere and leave some things off. Would I like to see some of the games I listed at EVO? Absolutely. Will I cry over them not being there? No because I know that it is impossible to have everything there.

To true. From what I've been reading about EVO, doesn't it take like 2 days to hold the whole thing? Adding a whole lot more of other games would make it take even longer. The staff that run the whole thing would be exahusted unless they held some kind of half time. I've never been so I don't know how it goes you know. But it sounds like a lot of work. Maybe they should do some kind of web based vote to decide what kind of games they have. I know they can get a couple of Saturn and DC owners together to make getting the games easier. I don't know. Lets just hope that "Capcom Fighting Evolution" doesn't see it's way into EVO.

*ONEZ*

[xc3xc3x]

Project Justice!!!

[FMJaguar]

When people don't play the game here at a high level it appears balanced, but it's a illusion IMO. High level play is unbalanced by nature, to me saying that VS is balanced and better is just saying there aren't enough people playing it.

The key is to stop talking getting more players like its not under our control, and actually get the word out. And NOT by tricking them by saying it's so much better than every other game out there and that they can do whatever they want and win, but by being a honest resource for people looking for a alternative game to what's out there.

But I don't see the big deal about a game being tournament worthy, we've taken a discussion about "What the cannons personally chose at their section of evo" and turned it into some crazy global rule. Maybe I don't speak for people involved in other tournaments, but i can say WRT ours, I DON'T CARE WHAT IS THERE. As long as there is time to do it, and space, and someone to run it, why do i care?

I don't see what everyone is talking about, part of the point we've been working on this console revolution is so we have those options, the games ARE becoming in the players hands, if you feel you have the commitment to learn how to organize and run a game, then go do it. Make a post tommorow saying your running jojo's at evo, mkd, karate champ, who cares, just do it.

Now those criteria do apply to other things, for instance any equipment we get goes to what i consider the 'main' games, and that criteria is where we talk about the scene and the players etc... The reason that the minor games weren't present AT ALL, were because resources were limited, mainly because of arcade cabinets and location, now we don't have those challenges so we don't need to exclude anything if we don't want to.

IMO where we could do better in having a better tournament structure, one that better accomodates all the games people want to run while keeping things organized and on time (SF translation: less than 3 hours behind).

[shadowcharlie]

jOjO isnt complex, is retardly broken.
on a side note i think if arc1-3 come out in america they could sell..

[crazydiamond]

jOjO isnt complex, is retardly broken.
on a side note i think if arc1-3 come out in america they could sell..

Jojo is a very complex game.

[AneurysmX]

JoJo is one of my favorite anime... until it dragged way too long

[forgenjuro]

I loved JoJo like... 4 years ago. it was very unique and had a fun system. unfortunately it was never popular, and if you havnt seen the Meikyousisui's JoJo combo DVD preview, has many infinites that do huge damage. I dont really know too much about the game complexly though. Is Dio or Shadow Dio top tier? those two were my favorite.

[Adam Warlock]

and if you havnt seen the Meikyousisui's JoJo combo DVD preview, has many infinites that do huge damage.

Do you have any idea how hard those infinites are to do? I don't even think they're possible without a programmable pad.

[shadowcharlie]

Jojo is a very complex game.oh ok i supposed that u said it makes it one :rolleyes: whatevea.
BTW RN:
the inf shown on that video arnt the problem, the problem arises at glitch points like: dio knocks u down, u lose 65%+ life most of the top tier are so clear cut above everyone else its not even worth playing.

[Adam Warlock]

oh ok i supposed that u said it makes it one :rolleyes: whatevea.

I guess since you said it's not, it must not be. :rolleyes: Retarded logic goes both ways.


BTW RN:
the inf shown on that video arnt the problem, the problem arises at glitch points like: dio knocks u down, u lose 65%+ life most of the top tier are so clear cut above everyone else its not even worth playing.

Which is different from shit like AHVB x 3 how exactly?

[Kataklysmic]

What IS the top-tier in Jojo?

[eidrian]

Here's some Jojo footage to rejoice with.

http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/jojo.section.3-a.wmv

Courtesy of none other than me, bwhahaha.

[Superking]

Got anymore JoJo vids? Man it's been such a long time since i've played that game, I must be crazy rusty by now. =/


EDIT: Capcom should port the DC JoJo collection to PS2 with a suped up version of the PSX's Super Story Mode.


Hey I'd buy it, and I have both import JoJos for PSX and DC. :tup:

[PozerWolf]

Hey I'd buy it, and I have both import JoJos for PSX and DC. :tup:

Same.
I bought them off half.com for $5 each (brand new... but it could be a lie). I don't understand why that game sells for so less, but 3S for the DC sells for around $100. Not to mention Mark of the Wolves for DC is stocking up on price (it's around $60).


EDIT: Nice vid eidrian. What version was that, the DC one? I don't recall the PSX version running so smooth, but I could be wrong.

[Superking]

Yeah that's the DC version of Heritage for the Future from the JoJo collection. The Playstation port wasn't so bad, it was pretty faithful gameplay wise to Heritage for the Future and the Super Story Mode was super fun (sorry had to say that :clap: ).

[Adam Warlock]

Here's some Jojo footage to rejoice with.

http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/jojo.section.3-a.wmv

Courtesy of none other than me, bwhahaha.

Dope jotaro there.

[eidrian]

Dope jotaro there.

There's dope everyone on this DVD i got. I'll post more files later.

[JAMMAR]

Now that I think about it, why wasn't JoJo in CFJ?

[Time_Stop]

Because Jojo belong to Araki, not Capcom. It´s not even a Strider situation, it would be like having Wolverine in CFJ.

[Superking]

There's dope everyone on this DVD i got. I'll post more files later.


Oooo, please do. :clap: :tup:

[Kataklysmic]

Okay, so if everyone in Jojo's as dope as they appear to be, does that make the game balanced, but in a retardedly broken way, ala MvC2?

[Liquid Twilight]

Actualy those matches looked to me more like SFA3 style or VS heck even #R. Instead of MVC2 o CVS2. BTW great figths but no I want to see more.

[Freeman]

You have to wonder how commonplace Jojo tournaments were in Japanese arcades when the game hit in '99.

I vaguely recall a mall arcade tourney held in Exton, PA five years ago that included the "Jojo's Venture" U.S. cabinet among a healthy batch of other Capcom fighters such as Alpha 3, Rival Schools, and MVC 1.

The chief problem here, in a nutshell, is supply and demand.
Unfortunately, none of the Jojo games have that stateside.

It's reassuring to see some Araki fans actually coming out of the woodwork for this thread!

As for Vampire Savior, I'm guessing that word of mouth on that needs to gradually build in order to convince tourney organizers and participants alike that it's actually a damn fine game worth their time and competition. What's strange is how momentum for that particular fighter actually never got going until now, apparently. @_@

[Burningfist]

I will get anyone a mirror for any JoJo footage out there, just find that shit!

I have quite a bit, and I should be submitting it to Combovideos.com and mirroring it on my site ASAP.


Anyone up for a JoJo tournament?

Drop me a line on AIM (ToBeMoreCrazy)


Edit: Loved the match so much, had to mirror it, thanks Eid.

www.newchallenger.net

[eidrian]

I'll be posting it someday this week, so be prepared. It's hard to come across good Jojo footage, i virtually had to sex a japanese for this DVD. :P

Anyways, i got this DVD (JoJo Relax DVD) and a set of 10 matches (from '01 i think). The DVD has 3 sets of 2on2 matches (12+ min each), 3 sets of singles (15+ min each) and some combo clips.

I'll start posting the 2on2, and if demand is high enough, i'll post the rest of it.

There's also a crapload of Vampire Savior footage here (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65062). Props to B-Izm for posting it.

[shadowcharlie]

I guess since you said it's not, it must not be. :rolleyes: Retarded logic goes both ways.



Which is different from shit like AHVB x 3 how exactly?the world is an unblockable setup last i check ahvb was still blockable.
ahvbX3 would be more like hol horse doing rapid gun super three timesin a row...

[El Maniatico]

If theres two cabinets of the game in the arcade, its worthy. Anything else isnt.

[Liquid Twilight]

I will get anyone a mirror for any JoJo footage out there, just find that shit!

I have quite a bit, and I should be submitting it to Combovideos.com and mirroring it on my site ASAP.


Anyone up for a JoJo tournament?

Drop me a line on AIM (ToBeMoreCrazy)


Edit: Loved the match so much, had to mirror it, thanks Eid.

www.newchallenger.net


What do u mean a tourney via net play or something like that or doing it in the USA. If it was a tourney for JoJo I be up for it be around summer (I am on finals)

[Adam Warlock]

the world is an unblockable setup last i check ahvb was still blockable.
ahvbX3 would be more like hol horse doing rapid gun super three timesin a row...

Unblockable? It's slow as fuck. You have enough time to get up, go get a sandwich, and still hit him out of it.

[crazydiamond]

As for Vampire Savior, I'm guessing that word of mouth on that needs to gradually build in order to convince tourney organizers and participants alike that it's actually a damn fine game worth their time and competition. What's strange is how momentum for that particular fighter actually never got going until now, apparently. @_@

I think this was because it was released round about the same time as Street Fighter III New Generation was gaining popularity.
Maybe with the sub par caliber of the new 2D fighters being released people will start looking backwards for good games rather than forwards.

[danomyte]

I'll be posting it someday this week, so be prepared. It's hard to come across good Jojo footage, i virtually had to sex a japanese for this DVD. :P

Anyways, i got this DVD (JoJo Relax DVD) and a set of 10 matches (from '01 i think). The DVD has 3 sets of 2on2 matches (12+ min each), 3 sets of singles (15+ min each) and some combo clips.

I'll start posting the 2on2, and if demand is high enough, i'll post the rest of it.

There's also a crapload of Vampire Savior footage here (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65062). Props to B-Izm for posting it.
more vids! :encore:

[Burningfist]

What do u mean a tourney via net play or something like that or doing it in the USA. If it was a tourney for JoJo I be up for it be around summer (I am on finals)


I was talking about a JoJo tournament sometime next weekend, if I could find players willing to come to MD. :karate:

[shadowcharlie]

Unblockable? It's slow as fuck. You have enough time to get up, go get a sandwich, and still hit him out of it.
..and u just proved u dont know how the game works good job. :tup:

[Testament X]

I'll be posting it someday this week, so be prepared. It's hard to come across good Jojo footage, i virtually had to sex a japanese for this DVD. :P

Anyways, i got this DVD (JoJo Relax DVD) and a set of 10 matches (from '01 i think). The DVD has 3 sets of 2on2 matches (12+ min each), 3 sets of singles (15+ min each) and some combo clips.

I'll start posting the 2on2, and if demand is high enough, i'll post the rest of it.


I'm so happy right now I could cry. :sad: Please post more.

[Gen2000]

snip


Posting just to show some interest in more JoJo footage.

[Superking]

..and u just proved u dont know how the game works good job. :tup:


Actually RandomNigga is right on that one, The World is really slow, add to the fact that it requires 3 or more bars to use doesn't really make it practical in most situations. You're better off doing other things like a Tandem Attack or something.

[Shirasaya Blade]

i dont see the problem with this either! I mean I think we've all already seen everything there is to be seen in MvC2 and all other games but JoJo's BA and the other games are so obscure that they need to be shown so that people can learn to appreciate other types of fighting games. We already know what the MvC, Tekken, SFA, SF3, Soul Calibur, GGXX, virtua Fighting series are like over and over whether they're shown at tourneys or arcades but these other games would be a great addition because then everyone would have a chance. None of that "God character" bullshit to where you have to hope that you dont face a really good sentinel/magneto/storm player or a good Ivy player (fearing her most powerful moves like Criminal Symphony) and fucking having to worry about losing to a good CvS 2 team. Thats why I dont go to the arcades much anymore cuz most of these players have worn the hell out of all the characters to the point that you dont want to fight them cuz you already know you lost the moment you put your quarter in. The challenge is fun, yes, but being obliterated by infinite rushdowns just gets old. C'mon! cant we come up with new stuff?

[eidrian]

Upload is done. Here are 2 vids for now.

2on2 A
2on2 B

Edit: Offline! :D

You need WMV9 to watch these. Enjoy.

[The Demon]

Who are you telling!!! I bought the last 2 EVO DVD'S (last years and this years) and I don't plan on getting the next one. I havne't had a chance to play in a tourny but I have an idea of how competitive it can be. Normally if I go to the arcades and play something I always try to pick low or medium tired. After I loose a few dollars from being out gunned then I jump on the bandwagon of the big 5 or 3 (depending on the game) to shut the braggers up. After that I go back to using a little of everyone else. I get tired of watching the same MvsC2 matchups and Sagat, Blanka and 3rd character here matches. The tekken series is the same way. Jin and more Jin. Even though its not the same person playing, most of the players styles of play look to similar to tell them apart. Then there was TTT, if it wasn't a mishima it was the ogores which= boring. I enjoyed SC2 for the most part because everyone is tourny worthy and there was a lot of different characters being used. But enough EVO DVD bashing. I know people want to win and I know they are going to do what it takes to win. So I can't blame them for picking top tier. I think someone needs to get in there and do the blind character select every once in a while. You'd end up with a wrong groove/assist and character. If you've only specialized in the big 5/3 then your ass is grass. This would throw a hell of a monkey wrench into the tournament. But yeah, Jo Jo and DS forever.

Actually I was thinking of that before. I mean if some people who get a lot of ass kissing around here are so good, why not win with a lesser character and proove your TRUE mastery of the game, sounds fair to me.

As for DS, If only this was Japan my friend. That game still get played a ton in Japan, have you ever seen Daigo's Bishamon? Godly I say. Anyways, DS is one of my fave games so I feel you man, but some things in this world just aren't meant to be.

[FMJaguar]

Actually I was thinking of that before. I mean if some people who get a lot of ass kissing around here are so good, why not win with a lesser character and proove your TRUE mastery of the game, sounds fair to me.

The answer is for you guys to enter more tournaments, since you don't seem to understand why certain characters win tournaments,
I doubt you'll be able to force anyone good to use them, as a result they will just use their 4th string low tier team and OCV you anyway, sounds like a win win to me.

While you do that i'm gonna take low tier to the next level and win the 100-meter dash at the olympics with the cast of 'the biggest loser'. i'm tired of these healthy skinny people being the fastest runners, time for some REAL skill.

[The Demon]

The answer is for you guys to enter more tournaments, since you don't seem to understand why certain characters win tournaments,
I doubt you'll be able to force anyone good to use them, as a result they will just use their 4th string low tier team and OCV you anyway, sounds like a win win to me.

While you do that i'm gonna take low tier to the next level and win the 100-meter dash at the olympics with the cast of 'the biggest loser'. i'm tired of these healthy skinny people being the fastest runners, time for some REAL skill.


You obviously seem to not understand what a blind pick is. As for the rest of your comment, pretty much totally stupid. BTW I think I can hear your daddy from here telling you that your presence is requested in the orgy room, you know what happens when you refuse.

[UrIeNaToR]

Stupid Mod, DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF I GET BANNED EITHER...

[FMJaguar]

You obviously seem to not understand what a blind pick is. As for the rest of your comment, pretty much totally stupid. BTW I think I can hear your daddy from here telling you that your presence is requested in the orgy room, you know what happens when you refuse.

blind pick as in double blind, as in random select, as in you pick someone's characters. Fact is you can do whatever you want. I encourage it even, run it at whatever your area regional is.

I just get upset when someone comes in like we should change things around because someone doesn't like how the game was made, it's not like everyone thinks the same as you, some of us like playing the game as is (well ok, 'like' as compared to playing random select).

The difference is that you all seem to be telling people how you want them to play, while my take is that if you think you have a better idea, you guys go work on implementing it and i don't have a problem.

[VManOfMana]

i dont see the problem with this either! I mean I think we've all already seen everything there is to be seen in MvC2 and all other games but JoJo's BA and the other games are so obscure that they need to be shown so that people can learn to appreciate other types of fighting games.

This is where people have to take action. Insteead of whining about "people keep playing X game", people need to do something in promoting an obscure game. If the game proves to be good, a community will start to build, and eventually there could be enough following like to push the game for an event like Evo.

This is something we are kind of trying to do with Melty Blood and Eternal Fighter Zero.

In a way, that's what happened to Third Strike. Except for maybe Texas, Third Strike was _dead_ in the US until people started to pick it up after US v. Japan.

Actually, promotion can be easier now that EVO has a "bring your game" room.

[The Demon]

I wish you the best of luck in promoting these games. I for one would be extremely happy if you could be at least somehwat succesful in creating a scene for DS and MBR, and I agree...the BYOC room will be the place to do it in 2005. In fact why don't we all start planning something for evo 2005 to get people to acknowledge these games. Im sure if enough of us showed up to rep these games something good might come out of it.

[CptMunta]

Upload is done. Here are 2 vids for now.

2on2 A (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/04_JojoRelax_2on2a.avi)
2on2 B (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/05_JojoRelax_2on2b.avi)

You need WMV9 to watch these. Enjoy.

Damn it man I wish I had better internet 100 MB is too much for my Crappy 56ker.

I'd kill to see JoJo Footage. Its my favorite comic series and one of my favorite games. Any chance of a compressed version. Or even just a tiny snippit?

I've only seen one JoJo machine and that was in New Zealand. And as far as I know I was the only one playing it.

Ooo wait read back and found random Niggas footage :nunchuck: sorry. But would still be keen to see some of that 2 on 2 video stuff :nunchuck:

[Gen2000]

Upload is done. Here are 2 vids for now.

2on2 A (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/04_JojoRelax_2on2a.avi)
2on2 B (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/05_JojoRelax_2on2b.avi)

You need WMV9 to watch these. Enjoy.

Nice. :tup: Thanks for hosting these.

[Kataklysmic]

i dont see the problem with this either! I mean I think we've all already seen everything there is to be seen in MvC2 and all other games but JoJo's BA and the other games are so obscure that they need to be shown so that people can learn to appreciate other types of fighting games. We already know what the MvC, Tekken, SFA, SF3, Soul Calibur, GGXX, virtua Fighting series are like over and over whether they're shown at tourneys or arcades but these other games would be a great addition because then everyone would have a chance. None of that "God character" bullshit to where you have to hope that you dont face a really good sentinel/magneto/storm player or a good Ivy player (fearing her most powerful moves like Criminal Symphony) and fucking having to worry about losing to a good CvS 2 team. Thats why I dont go to the arcades much anymore cuz most of these players have worn the hell out of all the characters to the point that you dont want to fight them cuz you already know you lost the moment you put your quarter in. The challenge is fun, yes, but being obliterated by infinite rushdowns just gets old. C'mon! cant we come up with new stuff?

While I agree that there are obcure games that should have some chance of getting explored, this post is just a paradoxical extension of what's wrong with the fighting game community. Just because the majority refuse to expand their exploits beyond the best characters of the games that are frequently played now (which isn't true anyway), doesn't mean they've all been played to their limits. CvS2 sure as fuck hasn't, and neither has MvC2. And regardless, Jojo and VS are no different in that respect. As long as characters have enough differences to make them unique, there will always be imbalances and distinctive tiering. You'll see more of the same bullshit no matter how new the games are to you. You can't blame people for wanting to win. If you're tired of seeing the same characters and the same "infinite rushdowns," do something to counter it, or quit playing these games altogether.

[Siegfried]

Can't wait to see those Jojo vids, I love that game. Sure, it's quite unplayable and I only enjoy a few characters, but man, what characters! Mariah > *. The ultimate runaway once you charge them up a bit.

[Jaldaboath]

While you do that i'm gonna take low tier to the next level and win the 100-meter dash at the olympics with the cast of 'the biggest loser'. i'm tired of these healthy skinny people being the fastest runners, time for some REAL skill.

This is the wisest comment I've read this whole week.

[Superking]

Good stuff eidrian. :tup:


Anyway anyone know where I can find the JoJo game OST online? Like either for download or to order or whatever.

[VManOfMana]

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/250-7304796-6136215

I think what you are looking for is the second CD in the list.

Amazon Japan ships to the US.

[Time_Stop]

Can anyone post the link for the Meikyo combo video again?

[Rage02fire]

you know what here's an ideal since you guys bitch and complain about theese games to be for evo why don't you just have a poll every year for which game that should be for evo you know the playa's choice game for a tournament at evo it's just an ideal lol.

[Thongboy Bebop]

If you want something at Evo, you need a community behind it already. You need tourneys well before Evo comes around for that year. You need support.

A3, Jojo's, and GUARDIAN HEROES are all games I'd like to see come up. But there's no one around to play them. Hell, I wouldn't put them on an official tourney list either. There's no support.

So, there, then, yet... if people create enough buzz on their own, the games WILL get noticed. But there's just not enough support going around. If you want people to play Jojo, buy a cab and teach them to play in your area. Get your friends to play A3, make some videos, do whatever. But ye can't sit on yer arse and NOT play, then expect a national tourney to pop up out of nowhere.

N

[eidrian]

Damn it man I wish I had better internet 100 MB is too much for my Crappy 56ker.

I'd kill to see JoJo Footage. Its my favorite comic series and one of my favorite games. Any chance of a compressed version. Or even just a tiny snippit?

I've only seen one JoJo machine and that was in New Zealand. And as far as I know I was the only one playing it.

Ooo wait read back and found random Niggas footage :nunchuck: sorry. But would still be keen to see some of that 2 on 2 video stuff :nunchuck:

Just get a download manager and leave it overnight and all morning. Before i had DSL, i leeched 1TB on 56k.

[shadowcharlie]

Actually RandomNigga is right on that one, The World is really slow, add to the fact that it requires 3 or more bars to use doesn't really make it practical in most situations. You're better off doing other things like a Tandem Attack or something.
actually u can buffer it off of the trip and it comes out before the char is done with his/her standup animation.
also dio doesnt use super meter or rather doesnt need to so 3 bars is not hard at all to build.

[Superking]

But you realize by getting the minimum amount of bar (3) to do The World isn't worth it, mainly because the bar runs out really fast, you only get like 2-3 seconds invincibility to do what, his eyebeam unblockable for DIO, the knife throw with Shadow Dio? Hell I don't think if you can even get DIO's eyebeam unblockable out in time with just 3 bars to stop time, he'll still be in his charging animation. :rofl:


I'm a Jotaro player, and to use the The World to its full effectiveness you need more than 3 bars, and even then with all the other stuff they have in their (Jotaro, DIO, Shadow Dio) arsenal, The World still isn't practical. It's just a super done for kicks. Besides the only reason why that move is in the game was because Capcom was following the original manga (and they followed it perfectly IMO, one of the best manga-to-game translations ever :tup: ).


And you make it sound like the move is so broken, go watch those vids of high level JoJo that eidrian posted, and tell me if you see anyone abusing The World super.

[Adam Warlock]

actually u can buffer it off of the trip and it comes out before the char is done with his/her standup animation.
also dio doesnt use super meter or rather doesnt need to so 3 bars is not hard at all to build.

You're a fucking dumbass if you waste all that meter on The World.

[shadowcharlie]

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eyebeam? are u kidding both of u obviously dont understand how the unblockable works or how much damage it does.
and if those are high lvl matches then .....
high lvl matches where shadow dio misses the command grab on wakeup on a consistant basis and doesnt even know distances for knives.... whatever. im done with this conversation since the topic is about the game getting recognition. go read one of the many jOjO threads maybe u will understand how unbalanced it is.

[Shirasaya Blade]

You're a fucking dumbass if you waste all that meter on The World.

I think this super is for emergency situations only to where you are left with 3-5 pixels of life left and you think you can beat the enemy by doing this move. Only drawback is that you should have built passed 3 levels of super meter and you need to keep the enemy from moving (which in turn is really hard to do against high level players...if there are any lol). I dont know if this works or not but Im gonna try it anyway. Im gonna see if I can use Dio with 9 levels of meter available and have someone block the QCF+PP super (he throws some nails? lol) and as they block it I will use The World super. I dont know if the enemy will still be in block animation when time is frozen during this move but I guess its worth a try in Versus mode.

[eidrian]

When the hell did i say this was high level footage? This is a fan made DVD, not a damn SBO tournament.

[Double Reppuken]

What is this "the world" stuff?

[CptMunta]

Just get a download manager and leave it overnight and all morning. Before i had DSL, i leeched 1TB on 56k.

I got a download manager but I can't do that since I don't have a flat rate. We pay by the hour here and can't change it. It sucks. Maybe I'll wait till I get back home to NZ next month and grab it then. Thanks for putting this footage up.

THE WORLD is a level 3 and above super move that JoJo and Dio can perform. It stops time. The longer your Super meter the longer you can stop time.
While time is stopped you can move around and attack as noarmal even do supers. And your opponent can't do anything. When your meter runs out the enemy gets all the damage youve done.

It has a pretty long wind up which makes it pretty useless against anyone who knows the game. And all the damage is scaled when you use the world since all hits in the world will combo.

But its a f'in cool move all the same.

[Superking]

When the hell did i say this was high level footage? This is a fan made DVD, not a damn SBO tournament.


High level or fanmade whatever, who cares it's footage regardless of people playing JoJo. If I confused people with that comment, then sorry bout that.

The World is a super that freezes everything on screen (except the player who did the super), you basically get free hits on your opponent for as long as you have bar. It requires 3 or more bars to use (3 being the minimum, 9 being the max, well 9 is the max the bar can go).


And eidrian I know the game never really caught on, so eh it's the best that's available. :xeye: :rofl:


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Oh I never said JoJo was balanced, I know the game is far from that. And I know how the World works when properly used, it can be really deadly, but using the MINIMUM usage for it is really, really pointless and doesn't make for a good argument on how it's really disgusting. You might as well build to max or more bar anyway with any of those three to get better use out of the World rather than going for the minimum usage.

And the Eyebeam unblockable I was talking about is the Raging demon tap tap move that you can do with Dio. But he has a delay on it, Shadow Dio on the other hand as it as a regular command move but if you hold it long enough it's unblockable.

I just threw those in for my example off the top of my head, because well I was bored. :rofl: Besides get off the game already. We all know it's not going to be in any tournament, so throw away your protest already on why it's not a balanced game and that it shouldn't be in anything. So if you want to keep your crusade in not getting people into obscure or not-so popular titles because that bothers you in some weird way, then you go harass SSBM people or the people who play DOA or whatever other game you don't think is balanced or tourney worthy, it's just getting annoying already, put it to rest man.

And for someone who knows a lot about the game, pretty odd that you didn't know that those moves existed. :confused:

Eh, it's too easy to make a MvC2 crack. :rolleyes:

[shadowcharlie]

:
why dont u relax.
people where making arguments about why this should be a tourney game i said it was broken, someone said it was deep and i said it wasnt. done.
its u and RN that started to say shit over some random tactics that u dont even understand and making assumptions based on nothing, first that the videos were high lvl play then talking a super which u dont understand. i know what the unblockable beam is. i put a ? because i dont understand why u would do that move if the end was on. everything u did was already unblockable, maybe for damage? but then again the world has damage reduction that occurs while its on so a one hit move like that would do nothing. its great that its the first thing that came to your head but just cuase u thought of it doesnt mean u should write it down.
so maybe u should base what u say in facts not guesses instead of telling me what i should do and how i feel about a game.

[Bowling Pin]

Because Jojo belong to Araki, not Capcom. It´s not even a Strider situation, it would be like having Wolverine in CFJ.

Rose's MBs in that game are straight jacked from Jojo though. It's as if Ingrid's MB was Jean Gray.

EDIT: Any place I can find more Jojo vids? That shit was dope.

[crazydiamond]

Rose's MBs in that game are straight jacked from Jojo though. It's as if Ingrid's MB was Jean Gray.



Legally that would be classified as a parody. Parodies manage to be immune to anything to do with copyright law. Or so I am lead to believe.

[eidrian]

The new ones:

2on2 C
Versus Section 1

Edit: Offline! :D

And the older ones:

2on2 A
2on2 B

Edit: Offline! :D

[Kataklysmic]

So... No ideas about Jojo tiers?

[forgenjuro]

The new ones:

2on2 C (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/06_JojoRelax_2on2c.avi)
Versus Section 1 (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/07_JojoRelax_Section1.avi)

And the older ones:

2on2 A (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/04_JojoRelax_2on2a.avi)
2on2 B (http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/eidrian/05_JojoRelax_2on2b.avi)

thanks eidrian!!! your the fuckin Nipon Video God!

[shadowcharlie]

So... No ideas about Jojo tiers?go look for the old threads...

[Sabin]

Eidrian, seriously, thanks a million dude. It's impossible to find Jojo vids on the net, we had this game in our arcade, i played chaka but i didn't really get into it..this game looks like a lot of fun. :)

[Magnifico]

whoa just played jojo tonight on dreamcast, its seriously weird. i used that guy with the squirt gun that shoots controllable lasers. hes pretty sick

[HellSap]

hol horse is rocking
I need to play young jojo, hes too cool...and the only character Ive really read from the manga since im only up to v10... besides dio, but hes a pussy.

[Mike Strider]

Lol squirt gun.

[blazed]

Humbag's Jojo Combo Video is up -> www.combovideos.com

[Zazzarius]

What is this "the world" stuff?
Dio's special awesome power is the ability to STOP TIME

suffice to say, its a level 3 super that one needs to see to believe

ZZZZAAAAA(zzzzaaaaa)WOORRRRRRLLLLDDDDDDDOOOOOO(do do do)

[Turbovec]

I still like Sticky Fingers the most.....but Killer Queen is also awesome. :tup:

[Liquid Twilight]

??? Ok explain me the last part because I don't remember any of it.

[Time_Stop]

Sticky Fingers is from series 5 and Killer Queen is from series 4.

I still like Sticky Fingers the most.....but Killer Queen is also awesome. :tup:

Sticky Fingers is one of the freakiests, but it´s not one of my favorites. I like Buciaratti, though.

Killer Queen is really cool. But i like Abbachio (and Moody Blues) the most. His voice actor in the GioGio game kicks ass, plus i like his design a lot.

Dio, Jolyne (avatar) and Young Joseph are nice too.

[Zazzarius]

Hol Horse has a place in my heart as just being awesome

also he's pretty funny too (and has that great super with J.Geil)

[Hanzo_Hasashi]

To eidrian:

Wsup man! look I need to know how much is each file you uploaded?

[Adam Warlock]

the GioGio game

I've been trying to find that. Is it available anywhere?

[Time_Stop]

I've been trying to find that. Is it available anywhere?

http://www.animecastle.com/catalog/games/cat_playstation-2-games-import-.html

It´s an action game, not 1 on 1.

No idea if this store is reliable or not.

[CptMunta]

I never got to play the PS2 Gio Gio Game. Anyone here dig it? I here that it was released in Australia ???

[OrangeCat]

*SNIP*

I have to agree with FMJ here. A lot of people are crying foul when they play a game they think is tournament worthy. Well guys.....to tell the truth, they very might well be, but it seems counter productive to aim for the top and then down, than rather start from humble beginnings.

Much like the slew of people who've been posting here recently wishing that lower tiered characters from games like SF3:3S, or CvS2, were higher....or even saying that SvC could be a good game; but without doing any of the work....is like this slew of people asking for a game to be featured at EVO.

Think about it. EVO is one of the biggest fighting game gatherings ever held. You don't NEED official sponsership from EVO saying that Hey, we're having UMK3 and Jojo at EVO...come on fucking down. Like FMJ said, you can set some wonderful tournies by yourself. You can bring it to the B.Y.O.C. room. Even try to ask the Cannons for a bit of unofficial sponsership saying "Hey guys, there'll be an unofficial non EVO sanctioned tourneyin the B.Y.O.C. room for (___insert game___) sign up early."

Perhaps if you get your stuff done early enough, you can have a good enough tourney to get recognition and have it officially at EVO.

OC

[Kataklysmic]

Think about it. EVO is one of the biggest fighting game gatherings ever held. You don't NEED official sponsership from EVO saying that Hey, we're having UMK3 and Jojo at EVO...come on fucking down. Like FMJ said, you can set some wonderful tournies by yourself. You can bring it to the B.Y.O.C. room. Even try to ask the Cannons for a bit of unofficial sponsership saying "Hey guys, there'll be an unofficial non EVO sanctioned tourneyin the B.Y.O.C. room for (___insert game___) sign up early."

Perhaps if you get your stuff done early enough, you can have a good enough tourney to get recognition and have it officially at EVO.

OC

Bingo. This right here deserves its own thread, to better get the message across.

[Turbovec]

Sticky Fingers is from series 5 and Killer Queen is from series 4.



Sticky Fingers is one of the freakiests, but it´s not one of my favorites. I like Buciaratti, though.

Killer Queen is really cool. But i like Abbachio (and Moody Blues) the most. His voice actor in the GioGio game kicks ass, plus i like his design a lot.

Dio, Jolyne (avatar) and Young Joseph are nice too.

Moody Blues is wicked cool, and so is Jolyne's Stone free is also kick ass. Another couple of my guilty favorites are Aerosmith, The Sex Pistols, Craftwork and Purple Haze. But if you think Dio is insane, man....Enrique's White Snake is just messed up. :wow:

[Liquid Twilight]

What happen to the other Jojo figths that where gona be posted :(
Anyway I can't wait for more JoJo action.

[Time_Stop]

http://arichon.cool.ne.jp/anri/jojo/cm.htm

[The Chef]

While you do that i'm gonna take low tier to the next level and win the 100-meter dash at the olympics with the cast of 'the biggest loser'. i'm tired of these healthy skinny people being the fastest runners, time for some REAL skill.

OMG FMJ is the truth!!! (and I hardly ever give this guy respect!)

Anyway Vampire Savior is definitely tourney worthy, it was at last year's SBO in Japan.
The reason it's not at evo2k4 is cause it's not popular in USA.. hell I'm very surprised VF4 still gets considered as it only draws like 30 ppl.

Anyway popularity isn't the sole factor. While, ahem... "less-than-perfect" games like CVS2, Tekken4 and Soul Calibur 2 turn up at evo, DOA or MK don't seem to have much chance. It's also down to the organisers (Cannons) too, although popularity is also a big factor in getting them to agree to host certain games.

Although ppl would argue Tekken4 didn't deserve to be at evo or SBO either, it's kind of nice to have it being replaced by Tekken5 in a smooth transition :)

And yeah it's all about having tournies in BYOC room, just remember to bring your own TVs and consoles (they have spare TVs there already, but only for casual games, not tournies).

Rehan (Dead Man Inc.)

[Liquid Twilight]

http://arichon.cool.ne.jp/anri/jojo/cm.htm
Thx man I already seen them good stuff I migth add.

[thedude.com]

how does the combo works ??

with stand mode , it is an easy chain combo ...

without stand ...the combo is like link , timing ivery strict , how come they can link in a stand attacks after a no-stand normal link combos ??

[Sexperienced.]

does anyone know where I can download Jojo match vids?

[ParryAll]

There are some in ComboVideos.com archives. I actually have a couple Japanese tournaments, a few combo videos, and a few match videos of JoJo's. Too bad I don't know wtf I'm witnessing, lol.

I will say this though, having skimmed through this old ass thread: JoJo's is the shit. I watched a couple guys at Evo tearing it up, it was very fun to watch. JoJo's for Evo 2k6!

[Sexperienced.]

I'm specifically looking for Jojo.relax match vids because some idiot deleted all the Jojo.relax vids I had.

I'll try combovideos.com

[cricket_egg]

JoJo= thoroughly broken, at combovideos watch the meikyokusei ( sp? ) video.

Vampire = highly tourney worthy. watch the matches at The Beast Daigo, Daigo's Bishamon is something to be afraid of.

[Gutcruncher]

seeing this thread was the straw that broke the camels back. it made me break down and order jojo's bizzare adventure online for 10 bucks. thats my hard-earned money you bastards!

[The Chief]

The stand off-on combos aren't as hard as you guys think.

The combos in the combo vids you are witnessing are using a glitch that is impossible to preform in match play.

The game is technially broken but no more broken than mvc2 or garou.

It is playable and the combos require more precision than any other game out there (if you want decent damage).

I can explain how to preform whatever you ask. I played this game since day 1 of the arcade release in america.

[ParryAll]

JoJo= thoroughly broken, at combovideos watch the meikyokusei ( sp? ) video.

Vampire = highly tourney worthy. watch the matches at The Beast Daigo, Daigo's Bishamon is something to be afraid of.

Just because of the meikyokusei(sp) vid doesn't mean the game isn't tourney-worthy. By that logic MVC2 isn't tourney worthy either, because Meikyokusei has 10 volumes of glitch vids on it!!

---and why do certain people seem like they have an agenda of shitting on a very cool cult fighter like JoJo's. U know we'll never see this fighter at a tourney anyway, no need to shit on the hardcore who actually play it.

Everyone says Vampire is balanced, but the Japanese can make any game look balanced. If that shit were popular over here, everyone would declare Bishimon "broken".

[Adam Warlock]

Jojo's is that shit. More people should play. Fear the Chaca.

[Agmaster]

I thought the keikyo site was down. Either way, where could I find some Jojo matches/combs?

[ABASI]

you know in all honesty i'm just not really concerned with the old games anymore. we have three great new games coming out, kof 11, ngbc, and fist of the north star. i would much rather see these three added to the scene rather than trying to bring back some classics. granted they are great games, i love darkstalkers, i just hope to see the new titles especially kof 11 added to the tournement scene.

ABASI! :cool:

[ParryPerson.]

I love it how people still think "the world" is broken and JoJo combo vids are good examples of why the game is "broken".

[beelzebubble]

you know in all honesty i'm just not really concerned with the old games anymore. we have three great new games coming out, kof 11, ngbc, and fist of the north star. i would much rather see these three added to the scene rather than trying to bring back some classics. granted they are great games, i love darkstalkers, i just hope to see the new titles especially kof 11 added to the tournement scene.

ABASI! :cool:

THANK YOU!

why arent the srk experts out trying to break NBC, its hit US shores.

i love the game, been playing it at least an hour a day everyday. everyone is doable and top tier isnt really that far from mid tier unlike some more recent games.

this shit should be getting played!! (at least to find out if its worthy).

[The Chief]

As much as we ant to see it... It won't happen.

It's not becasue they are dead or bad titles. It's because noone plays them and those that do are so spread out that noone would risk holding an event for them.

The only possible scenario that would make it possible is if JoJo's or VS/DS side game tournies attract more players than one of the main games like 3S or #R at evo or other regional events.

[Higher-Jin]

whoa just played jojo tonight on dreamcast, its seriously weird. i used that guy with the squirt gun that shoots controllable lasers. hes pretty sick

If you see the OVA (jojo movie) you'll appreciate the game alot more. It's really kick ass and I really like how unique the characters are.

For example the ones using the anubis stand: B. Polnareff, Chaca, Kan all have a counter move. If you counter a move then the character will "memorize" it for the entire fight. You see this was the stand's power in the comic, but I'm sure must wonder what "memorize" means. Well you get a free guard cancel whenever you block that move you countered which means you can basically try to counter a move they use alot then severely alter their gameplans (you will get a sword icon over your bar for every different move you countered and memorized) Chaca also has a super (very hard to combo - uncomboable and very little invincibility iirc) that if he hits you with it he gets "Learned All" message which means he can guard cancel out of everything (not sure about projectiles) until he gets hit which at that point it wears off and also makes you forget any moves you "memorized" beforehand.

The whole game has alot of unique moves and characters. Alot of unique game play and even the basics are pretty unique. The stand system is kind of like a guard crush meter but it also depletes while you are in hit stun so you can extend comboes if you know when you will stand crush them. It also has low jumps but in a very retarded way. For starters you can block during them, you can also do your double jump if you can do that in a normal jump (usually characters can only double jump when they have their stands on) and you can do special moves and probably supers during them.

Still a great game and as I said alot of characters are unique. The little red riding hood girl has levels where she levels up her magnetic attacks, and not all characters have stands. Alot of people probably would like the fact that you can't chip someone to death and while you have your stand out you cannot receive chip damage. There is also snk style rolls but you usually can only do them while your stand is off (stand on and stand off both have their own benifits) only Joseph can roll with his stand on. This game even has push blocking, they really went all out with the system mechanics.

IMO Dio definantly must be broken, he has the high damage world comboes (if you can land them) which involve super knife throw > tractor (with 4 levels you can easily do it reliably and get 50% life off). Also his muda muda (tnt punches) has insane reach and does ridiculous stand meter damage on hit or block. He even has a ground based infinite if I'm not mistaken (very hard to pull off). He also has eye beams (unblockable) that hit most crouching opponents that have their stand on. Shadow dio is pretty wicked in this respect because he also has chippy knife throws as a regular move, and with eye beams to discourage you to turn on your stand he might get some chip damage off of you with these (he also has a really ridiculous version (i believe jab version) knife throw which pretty much hits everywhere).

Advol also seems pretty powerful with his seemingly high priority moves, dp's, fireballs and other random ish.

Regular Polnareff seems pretty damn poor to me, does anyone know if he's any good at all? His only super gets major damage scaling when comboed and is pretty short range (and unsafe on block). Has charge moves and button tap x3 moves and very few good comboes. B. Polnareff seems to shit all over him (he also gets a really good version of a thousand pricks (button tap move) that puts you in frame advantage, but it's not only good it's also changed to a command move (qcf+s) on top of that)

[FMJaguar]

As much as we ant to see it... It won't happen.
It's not becasue they are dead or bad titles. It's because noone plays them and those that do are so spread out that noone would risk holding an event for them.

How is this different than the other SF games?


The only possible scenario that would make it possible is if JoJo's or VS/DS side game tournies attract more players than one of the main games like 3S or #R at evo or other regional events.

A good start would be to increase the attendence for those games from 0 to some number greater than 0. Theres no real need to beat out other games, it's not a competition.

[The Chief]

FMJ - You can't "MAKE" people play a game. The game has to build it's fame on it's own. I myself am a hardcore Jojo's player so I'm not against this at all. The reasons for the game being a cult hit makes sense.

Also, how would you increase the number of players that will play from 0 if there are 0 players that play? Announcing a Jojo's tournament at Texas Showdown 6 would catch my attention but it won't make people that don't play go out and buy/practice the game. Not in the US.

[FMJaguar]

FMJ - You can't "MAKE" people play a game. The game has to build it's fame on it's own. I myself am a hardcore Jojo's player so I'm not against this at all. The reasons for the game being a cult hit makes sense.

The game is an inanimate object, I don't know how "it" is going to do anything but sit there. It's up to the players what happens from there.

You don't have to make anyone play, if 0 people played, this thread wouldn't come up every 6 months, and it wouldn't be any sort of cult hit. There are obviously people, there is just no organization, no marketing, and basically they aren't getting their own game a chance to even come out on the field.

In the end I think balance and tiers and whatever else you guys argue about when your game isn't doing well isn't the issue. There are plenty of so-so to bad games that get more people than all of SF, the question is what are jojo's and VS players doing to get the #s? Convince me that it's a good game? ok sure, I think VF4 is a good game too, didn't help it's cause much.

[The Chief]

My posts are a clarification of WHY the game isn't being played not a plea to get the game more attention.

The point is, the game is good, but not played enough to get recognition.

There are alot of answers to solve this but most of them aren't worth it.

[Sabin]

THANK YOU!

why arent the srk experts out trying to break NBC, its hit US shores.

i love the game, been playing it at least an hour a day everyday. everyone is doable and top tier isnt really that far from mid tier unlike some more recent games.

this shit should be getting played!! (at least to find out if its worthy).

this is kind of offtopic, but no, it hasnt hit US shores really..NGBC is only in the same hotspots as usual (ie, cali, NYC, a few other places.) rest of the USA is assed out for the most part unless it can be imported on ps2 or if it sees a usa release on xbox. until that happens, no "srk experts" will be breaking down anything, since noone has had a chance to play the game

[Empyrian]

this is kind of offtopic, but no, it hasnt hit US shores really..NGBC is only in the same hotspots as usual (ie, cali, NYC, a few other places.) rest of the USA is assed out for the most part unless it can be imported on ps2 or if it sees a usa release on xbox. until that happens, no "srk experts" will be breaking down anything, since noone has had a chance to play the game

Well, it is safe to assume that if the Japanese players have not found anything broken after more than a month of playing, "SRK experts" aren't likely to discover any ground breaking, logic defying, balance shaking tricks.

Besides, this is SNK(P) stuff. You rather trust the Japanese for authentic information or... them? :karate:

[Sabin]

Well, it is safe to assume that if the Japanese players have not found anything broken after more than a month of playing, "SRK experts" aren't likely to discover any ground breaking, logic defying, balance shaking tricks.

Besides, this is SNK(P) stuff. You rather trust the Japanese for authentic information or... them? :karate:

top players, when they get ahold of the game, break it down just fine. for example go to the front page of srk and look at some of those old strategy articles. they are very good. of course i trust japanese opinion, cause it actually has a large arcade scene, who wouldn't?

hell, ngbc has been out for a month or so here, but i haven't played it cause i'm waiting for it to hit chinatown fair..

[KoftSF]

Ask that Daigo kid who owned someone in the DarkStalkers tourney in 98. The same guy who has received praise for his skills years afterwards.

p.s. who is making all of those iPod spoofs? I loved the Mai and Adon one. hahaha

[Ultima]

Well, it is safe to assume that if the Japanese players have not found anything broken after more than a month of playing, "SRK experts" aren't likely to discover any ground breaking, logic defying, balance shaking tricks.

Are you saying that US players aren't capable of finding broken shit on their own?

[Ki Shima]

i was thinking of getting jojo i spotted it somewhere (not gonna say where LOLOLOLOLOL) so now i know its worth getting from the debate its brought up

if the game is tourney worthy then make the effort to big it up, short complaints wont do shit lol it looks like a case of "yeah the games good they should put it in a tourny....................."

round people up make the effort man

[Shinomori]

Problem is, no one will. Where's PiGNutZ in this whole debate?? LOL :-p. BTW, after seeing like 3 Jotaro match vids, and couple of Dio's, it's not even worth doing "The World" anymore LOL.

JP

[Spoony]

So, in summary, this is the real question:

You have a game (i.e. Jojo), with ZERO arcade scene. We're not talking SvC or whatever you want zero, we're talking, "Does anyone even know if one of these machines exists in north america?" zero. The game itself is obscure, and ports are only on two dead consoles and with no online service. The game is further not "hot stuff" in any part of Asia.

How do you create an active, competitive scene for this thing?

You can't just say, "get ppl together and play the game"; at best, you've got a game that you and your pals play in your house.

[Empyrian]

top players, when they get ahold of the game, break it down just fine. for example go to the front page of srk and look at some of those old strategy articles. they are very good. of course i trust japanese opinion, cause it actually has a large arcade scene, who wouldn't?

hell, ngbc has been out for a month or so here, but i haven't played it cause i'm waiting for it to hit chinatown fair..

Granted. But since Japanese arcade scene is more geared/inclined towards SNK(P) games than the US arcade scene, I just happen to assign more weight to comments that I read from them. You still have to play test whatever they said to confirm the information but generally speaking, I believe them more. :X

However there are a LOT of people here who doesn't believe the Japanese. KOF tier list from Japan; "NO, they are wrong, cos my list is different." But when you say they play the game more and at least acknowledge that they are entitled to their POVs, people here go, " yeah, but they are still wrong."

Do you require me to dig up this thread for your viewing pleasure?


Are you saying that US players aren't capable of finding broken shit on their own?


Hush with the nationalistic patriotism. You expect me to believe that NGBC is played for more than a month in Japan and they did not find major balancing breaking issues and less than 2 weeks of play time and the US figured out everything and anything?


On topic: I would suggest using the newer games out than those 2 games. One thing the newer games would have over those 2 games would be higher flow of player traffic. :X