Street Fighter goes LIVE

[Hanzou]

Street Fighter Anniversary collection gets the LIVE treatment;


http://xbox.ign.com/articles/512/512237p1.html

Good job Capcom. You're going to bring Street Fighter into the 21st century. Great news for fighting fans, and Xbox owners.


Street Fighter 3:TS with online play! Hell yes!

[SaiST]

I was just gonna post this. :o

But yes, this is great news. First GGX2 #Reload with LIVE support and $20, and now Third Strike LIVE!... :D

I'm lovin' my 'box right now.

[FatalFuryD]

What a news. That's just too good for words.

[Hanzou]

Not only 3rd Strike Sai, but being able to play pretty much every version of SF2 as well.

Simply put, this is going to be awesome.

[Saqs]

News of the century!

[Dakine]

Wow and this thread ain't a sticky?

Hmm, well it could end up being a sticky after almost every member reads up on this news and busts a nut all over their screen over SF finally going online in America for home consoles (other then CVS2).:confused:

[Eckostyle]

Capcom,


PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR THE PS2.

[_MJ_]

Originally posted by Eckostyle
Capcom,


PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR THE PS2.

i concur...

[Hanzou]

I seriously doubt the PS2 version is going to be online. Its already out in Japan, and the domestic release is pretty close.

Too close to add online play.

Also since NO other PS2 fighter is online, I seriously doubt Capcom is going to break the trend. Capcom does have experience with XBL though, which is probably why they went with Xbox for online play.

Sucks for 2D fans who have considered the PS2 their primary console for 2D fighting games. Its becoming clear now with the release of GGXX:R, SvC, KoF (rumored), CvS2, and now SF2/SF3 all with online play that the Xbox is the new home of 2D fighters for all 2D fighting fans. That is afterall, every major 2D fighter franchise with the LIVE option.

[FMJaguar]

From what i hear Xbox is much easier to develop online play for. You practically just extend their online classes to work with your game and its' done and MS handles the internal workings of XBL. PS2 drops a modem in your lap and are like 'ok its your problem now'.

[caliagent#3]

Originally posted by Dakine
Wow and this thread ain't a sticky?

Hmm, well it could end up being a sticky after almost every member reads up on this news and busts a nut all over their screen over SF finally going online in America for home consoles (other then CVS2).:confused:

There's your mistake right there. Many mvc2 players don't even play any of the SF's. A lot of them only play marvel, some of them never played SF in their life.

[opticallyinviz]

As good as this seems to be, I'm not going to pass judgement until I play it on Live. Mostly because I hate CvS2 on Live so friggin much.

[Tha_Yizzah]

Yes, I have been waiting a LOOONG time for this one...

with
- Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO on XBL
- Marvel vs. Capcom 2 (not online :-()
- Metal Slug 3 *coming soon*
- Guilty Gear X2 #Reload on XBL *coming soon*
- SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom on XBL *coming soon*
- KOF 2002/2003 expected to come to XBL (SNK wants all
their Xbox games to have Live support in some form or other)
- Samurai Shodown 5/5 Special *coming soon*
- Metal Slug 4/5
- Midway Arcade Treasures 2 (all 3 Klassik Kombats included)

and now SF: ANIVERSARY EDITION on LIVE!!!!?? (Hopefully, the servers will be better than those for CvS2, and ships with no plaguing issues)

Xbox is "it" for 2D games, plus I cannot forget about the 3D online fighters like DOA Ultimate, MK: Deception, and Iron Phoenix? Xbox CAN'T be contested now...

(God, I'm such a fanboy)

[folken001]

Good luck parrying in 3s with all the lag....Is that why no one plays P on Xbox Live?

[SaiST]

The hell? I've had quite a few lag-free games on LIVE, and plenty of people use P Groove. I've just started playing CvS2 EO on LIVE 2 months ago, and I encounter a lot of class P Groove players parrying the shit out of me.

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Hanzou
I seriously doubt the PS2 version is going to be online. Its already out in Japan, and the domestic release is pretty close.

Too close to add online play.

Also since NO other PS2 fighter is online, I seriously doubt Capcom is going to break the trend. Capcom does have experience with XBL though, which is probably why they went with Xbox for online play.

Sucks for 2D fans who have considered the PS2 their primary console for 2D fighting games. Its becoming clear now with the release of GGXX:R, SvC, KoF (rumored), CvS2, and now SF2/SF3 all with online play that the Xbox is the new home of 2D fighters for all 2D fighting fans. That is afterall, every major 2D fighter franchise with the LIVE option.

Whilst I diddnt buy my PS2 for fighters(my DC hanldles that), I still really fucking hope Capcom releases SF:AE for the PS2 with online play. I REALLY dont feel like plunking down $130 for another console(keeping up with my PC and PS2 is expensive enough), then plunking down another $80-100 for a decent stick =P. If anything, Sony will put emphasis on online play for a domestic release. It should boost game/adapter sales by a pretty good margin.

[EVERDRED]

so it'll be 50 bucks for the game another 200 for the system, another 125 for a stick, and 100 bucks for the live support right? damn u capcom... i need to save now.

[desistyle3]

to be honest, i really dont care.


Online play just isnt the same. When you have friends that play and you play at the arcade a lot...playing online with the lag sucks! I could care less about the XBOX having online play because of this.

Even if they put online play on ps2, which is what i have, i wouldnt even make much use of the online function.

[gl0ry]

Originally posted by desistyle3
to be honest, i really dont care.


Online play just isnt the same. When you have friends that play and you play at the arcade a lot...playing online with the lag sucks! I could care less about the XBOX having online play because of this.

Even if they put online play on ps2, which is what i have, i wouldnt even make much use of the online function.

There is nothing wrong with online play as long as you play just for fun. We all know lag screws people over and if you keep that mindstate then it's all good. That being said alot of the connections i've had on live with cvs2 were pretty good. You'd have to try it yourself to see how good some of the connections can really get.

[N-Ken]

Originally posted by desistyle3
to be honest, i really dont care.


Online play just isnt the same. When you have friends that play and you play at the arcade a lot...playing online with the lag sucks! I could care less about the XBOX having online play because of this.

Even if they put online play on ps2, which is what i have, i wouldnt even make much use of the online function.

Wow, you're right, everybody who plays fighting games has tons of friends who live real close to them and can go to the arcade anytime they want, wow being able to have competition from all over the us anytime you want really sucks, as does actually being able to play people when you live in a shitty are. Oh my God, did my accidental sarcasm take hold of me again, I guess it did, what I meant to say was your post is pointless, and just because you won't use it doesn't mean others won't. God I'm so sick of this "I don't even want online play in the game" bullshit. I mean, does the idea of having one more option at the menu really offend you that much, nobody is making these games online only or anything, who cares if there is lag or not, it still takes NOTHING away from the version it would have been sans online play, so does bringing new players to the game and possibly even improving people's skills really get your panties in that much of a bunch, Jesus Christ people, quit being inane philestines and shut the fuck up.

/Rant mode

[blue's clues]

Great news.

Now we need SS0Special online and I'll be set.

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by blue's clues
Great news.

Now we need SS0Special online and I'll be set.

SS0 Special is coming this winter.

[kite raiser]

Arcade scene near me is dead. The only arcade anywhere near me burnt down 4 years ago, online is the only way I can get to play people so personally I can't wait to play 3s online, this game is so much fun, I really hated cvs2 and it sucked online

[blue's clues]

Originally posted by Fatghost28


SS0 Special is coming this winter.

Was it announced for Live though?

[Sano]

I don't care for Online Play, but as a PS2 owner I will pick up an XBox because SVC and Guilty Gear XX Reload will be exclusive on the Xbox for the USA.

What I want is an Arcade perfect port of SF3 Third Strike. The Dreamcast version is not perfect, so let's see which version will be better. The PS2 or the XBox version. It will be funny if the Dreamcast version is still the best...

[brian]

is the lag on xbox live good enough so that if your opponent whiffs a chun li fierce, you can sweep it with ken, for example? what about if your opponent whiffs a shoto low forward? Can you low forward, super it on reaction? If you cant do these things in the lag, ,its kinda pointless to play. Ive never tried Xboxlive before..

[SaBrE]

i put money on it that dc version will still come out the best. dc is still undefeated when it comes to capcom ports that are on all systems(mvc2, cvs2). unless they add unblockable and arcade v1 links to system direction so it will mimic v1 arcade, but its doubtful :( but who knows.

anyway, im not much of a fan of online play for fighters for the obvious reasons, but that is definitely good news for everyone. can't hate on that option to play online. gives you something to do if you are stuck at home by yourself.

[Dios <-X->]

<----- is almost about to cry

[Bahn Yuki]

I love this news, I've been hoping for this since the PS2 version got announced.

Xbox is now the king of 2D(trust me folks GGXX #Reload on an HDTV can't be beat, believe me Dreamcast was great, but Xbox's Dolby 5.1 sound in GGXX is unrivaled!) and I'm definately snagging this one up.

Xbox brand new = $150
Stick = $20(huh? oh that's right just use an adapter!)
GGXX #reloaded = $20
SF Anniversary = $30
SS Special pack = $40
KOF 2k2/2k3 pack = $40

This year is too good for the Box...

[Geese Pants]

Yep..................I think I shat my pants.

ASAP, an Xbox.

[KingJ2002]

Originally posted by folken001
Good luck parrying in 3s with all the lag....Is that why no one plays P on Xbox Live?

im really sick of hearing comments like this.

the net code in cvs 2 is old and because of this there's more lag in that game than in any other xbl title. Games that generate huge levels like crimson skies and pgr 2 have little to no lag.

SF: AE will most likely have updated net code and most likely will feature XBL 3.0 support which means clans and tournament support.

and i play P groove on live and it isnt that hard.

[caliagent#3]

Originally posted by EVERDRED
so it'll be 50 bucks for the game another 200 for the system, another 125 for a stick, and 100 bucks for the live support right? damn u capcom... i need to save now.

your estimates are too high:

Game: $50
System: $150 new, maybe $130 or $125 refurbished
stick: u can make a stick for $60
xbox live support: $50 for the xbox live cd, plus your first year is free. U don't have to sign up for an extra year if u don't want to.

So at most u should spend about $310, and that's not including tax.

[m121akuma]

I had already determined I would get a Box, but this just sealed the deal. Quit beastin' Capcom.

[Dakine]

Originally posted by caliagent#3


There's your mistake right there. Many mvc2 players don't even play any of the SF's. A lot of them only play marvel, some of them never played SF in their life.

Mistake? When did I just talk about MVC2 players? :rolleyes:

I was talking about all the players in general. They all (including me) are excited about this news.

[neoKEN]

Third Strike will be arcade PERFECT. Kuni was at Absolution 2004 (major Europe tournament). London folks told me that Kuni assured them that the 3S port will be arcade perfect. Of course there might be some miscommunication due to language barriers.
Perhaps Capcom of Japan realize that the fighting game scene outside of Japan is weakly linked. By releasing an arcade perfect version with online support, suddenly a wider range of people can improvise their skills and knowledge then bring it to the arcades.

Also PS to XBOX adaptors can be purchased at http://www.levelsix.com/ .

[ChippDamage]

Yes I can't wait for this shit. Finally getting to play people out of Florida.

Does anyone know the excact month?

[penpensrk]

OMFG... FAP FAP FAP fap fap fap FAP FAP

who cares about the cost..capcom did the same thing to RE:outbreak... if you didnt have a network adapter bam you had to get.one...if you want it a faster loading time..you had to get HDD with fagget fantasy 11 and toss out the FF11, then you had to get a damn keyboard, then ethernet cables and such... like 150 just to play the damn game or even more... still fun

shit now i have to buy a sexbox and all that great stuff... but hey its worth the practice time and money... in the end..well actually have more comp in places that havent an arcade with comp...

FAP FAP FAP

:lol: :D :lol:
:D :p :D
:lol: :D :lol:

[controlcommerce]

Originally posted by penpensrk
OMFG... FAP FAP FAP fap fap fap FAP FAP

who cares about the cost..capcom did the same thing to RE:outbreak... if you didnt have a network adapter bam you had to get.one...if you want it a faster loading time..you had to get HDD with fagget fantasy 11 and toss out the FF11, then you had to get a damn keyboard, then ethernet cables and such... like 150 just to play the damn game or even more... still fun

shit now i have to buy a sexbox and all that great stuff... but hey its worth the practice time and money... in the end..well actually have more comp in places that havent an arcade with comp...

FAP FAP FAP

:lol: :D :lol:
:D :p :D
:lol: :D :lol:

I did and paid for everything you just said to play RE. And it still isn't was good as BXL. No friends list, no chat support, long load times just for getting connected. BXL loves us. BTW, CVS2 is that shitty online.

[DevilJin 01]

Well, I am an avid CVS2 EO Xbox Live player (been playing it for over a year now) and my favorite groove is P groove. For those that have played me they can tell you that people like me parry pretty well even when the connection starts getting laggy. Though as far as the connection issues go, it's all a matter of the connection between both players.

In CVS2, if both players have a strong connection going, the fights will play rather smooth and it's almost as good as playing offline. Be pretty hard pressed to even tell the difference. Though even in a slightly laggy connection the game is still playable just not at the same level that it would be in a really good connection. Especially if I play with someone close to where I live the connection is usually flawless. As in no lag spikes or latency and I can parry and combo just as well as I do offline.

[AHVB]

YEAH!

[crono_marle]

Someone on here asked if certain moves can still be punished. The answer is definitely YES. On CvS2, if a player makes a mistake 95% of the time that move can be punished. If Capcom makes this better than CvS2, than this game will play perfectly.

[mjm]

fuck the bitching, this is great news:)

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by ChippDamage
Yes I can't wait for this shit. Finally getting to play people out of Florida.

Does anyone know the excact month?

The US PS2 version is firmly set for July 27. The Xbox version is just "Fall" right now, but I would guess September or October.

[MrNakagama]

Hey NeoKen, I have a Joybox for xbox to convert ps2-xbox and it SUCKS!!!!!! You have to mash the buttons for it to register (mvc2) on that website you posted they have 2 adapters for xbox. the psx/xbox adapter and the Xbox Dragon adapter. If anyone knows which of these is better or even usable for fighting games please post. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[Ubersaurus]

You could just get a pelican stick for Xbox, and change up the control parts if you wanted.

[greenjoker23]

ps2?? ps2? plz? :(

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by greenjoker23
ps2?? ps2? plz? :(

PS2 version hits July 27. We don't know if it is online or not. We'll know at E3.

[Dr. Stormlocke]

As if GGXX#R wasn't reason enough for me to buy teh box. Only problem will be resisting the PS2 version for a few months till it comes out on X in the fall.

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by Dr. Stormlocke
As if GGXX#R wasn't reason enough for me to buy teh box. Only problem will be resisting the PS2 version for a few months till it comes out on X in the fall.

The game is rumored to be only 29.99 (at least the PS2 version is, anyway).

I figure I'll get both.

[Darmonde]

I swore when xbox came out that I would get one once 3s online was announced. It's that time. I love this, it can only be good news for the 3s community, even if the port is not perfect.

Has anyone played the PS2 japanese port? I'm assuming that the xbox port will be identical. Is the japanese port like the DC or like arcade Rev1, anyone know for sure?

Also, do people have links to a RELIABLE (perfect) ps -> xbox converter, or should I make a xbox stick and get xbx->ps converters?

[DevilJin 01]

Oh and just so you guys know, Xbox GGX2 # Reload will be selling at $19.99.:cool:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040429/295094_1.html

[Kouga]

Xbox is now officially god tier :cool:

[thienster]

I can't resist XBOX anymore.

Unless PS2 does this game online, then I have to get me one of them XBoxes so I can lay the smackdown on Hyper Fighting!

[HAQ2049]

Originally posted by thienster
I can't resist XBOX anymore.

Unless PS2 does this game online, then I have to get me one of them XBoxes so I can lay the smackdown on Hyper Fighting!

[BloodUrien]

Yes now people will understand why I talk so much shit!!!:evil: :D


Great News

[folken001]

Originally posted by KingJ2002


im really sick of hearing comments like this.

the net code in cvs 2 is old and because of this there's more lag in that game than in any other xbl title. Games that generate huge levels like crimson skies and pgr 2 have little to no lag.

SF: AE will most likely have updated net code and most likely will feature XBL 3.0 support which means clans and tournament support.

and i play P groove on live and it isnt that hard.

We'll see, wont' we? I dont' think it's all netcode's fault. So far, we only have one example to follow and that's CvS2. From "ALL" the times I have played CvS2 on Live, they all had lagged horribly.

I couldn't play any groove well with the lag. I am sure it isn't hard to pick P groove, after all, all you have to do is to "pick" it. I doubt you win with P.

[Cable3858]

Re-release marvel on xbox with xbox live capability and I will literely explode in my pants.

bye.

[piccolo12369]

Yes, there finally getting a little smarter with this online fighting seen, all they neeed to do now is bring over some super puzzle fighter... then it will be complete for us all... man i hate waiting for these games...more ass woopings for everyone...

[DevilJin 01]

Folken, I just got done parrying an entire Ryo's Zan Retsu Ken in mid air on CVS2 Live (during an actual fight). The guy was giving me props all through the end of that round after I did that. In a good connection, it's possible to play any groove just about as well as you can offline. Though as far as CVS2 goes, the connection has to be strong on both sides for the connection to be good. Obviously if your connection sucks you're gonna have crappy games but, even if you have a good connection if your opponent is really far away or has a crap connection, you're gonna be in for a lag fest.

[JumpsuitJesse]

I just read the news.....

and I just creamed in my pants. :D

This news is just TOO DAMN GOOD!!!!!!

[crono_marle]

Jumpsuit Jesse: I can't wait to face you. I hear you're really good at this game. My gamer tag is Crono37. Hit me up when you get this version.

Folken001: Talk to Phil McFly about parrying online. He has a video with the amount of parrying he did. He jumps into supers and parries them lag and all. So, the times you must have played were times were the person had a bad connection or your connection was just going screwy.

Try it again with a better connection.:)

[platinum_pinoy]

Fix lag and I will buy an X-box for this.

[DevilJin 01]

You fix the lag by calling up your ISP and making sure you have a good upload speed.:rolleyes:

[desistyle3]

Originally posted by N-Ken


Wow, you're right, everybody who plays fighting games has tons of friends who live real close to them and can go to the arcade anytime they want, wow being able to have competition from all over the us anytime you want really sucks, as does actually being able to play people when you live in a shitty are. Oh my God, did my accidental sarcasm take hold of me again, I guess it did, what I meant to say was your post is pointless, and just because you won't use it doesn't mean others won't. God I'm so sick of this "I don't even want online play in the game" bullshit. I mean, does the idea of having one more option at the menu really offend you that much, nobody is making these games online only or anything, who cares if there is lag or not, it still takes NOTHING away from the version it would have been sans online play, so does bringing new players to the game and possibly even improving people's skills really get your panties in that much of a bunch, Jesus Christ people, quit being inane philestines and shut the fuck up.

/Rant mode

Take it easy buddy....i'm just stating my opinion...is that a crime?? If you enjoy online play...thats just fine. I'm just saying that its not something that really matters to me..cause i have played cvs2 on xbox live...and most of the time it just isnt the same.

Anyways....thats it.

peace

[DonNozzle]

XBOX LIVE = BONER

[Mr Mort]

I concur with everyone else, this is tremendous news.
Easily something many of us have been hoping for, and it's finally going to be reality.

Without question, this is going to be the Xbox' strongest year:
-SFA/SFIII
-GGXX #R
-Metal Slug 3
-Metal Slug 4/5
-Rallisport 2
-MechAssault 2
-Unreal Championship 2
-Halo 2
-SvC Chaos

All those games are likely to be high calibur titles, with almost all of them having online play. There is plenty of goodness to be had on the Xbox this year.

[Hydra632]

Originally posted by Mr Mort
I concur with everyone else, this is tremendous news.
Easily something many of us have been hoping for, and it's finally going to be reality.

Without question, this is going to be the Xbox' strongest year:
-SFA/SFIII
-GGXX #R
-Metal Slug 3
-Metal Slug 4/5
-Rallisport 2
-MechAssault 2
-Unreal Championship 2
-Halo 2
-SvC Chaos

All those games are likely to be high calibur titles, with almost all of them having online play. There is plenty of goodness to be had on the Xbox this year.

Only problem with that is that most of those games come out around the same time, gonna be hard to play them all :(

[Mr Mort]

Originally posted by Hydra632


Only problem with that is that most of those games come out around the same time, gonna be hard to play them all :(

True for the most part. Rallisport 2 just came out though (and it's orgasmic, the best online console racer yet, IMO), Metal Slug 3 will be shipping later this month, but the rest are all supposed to hit around the fall. I'm just going to have to pre-order and pay for them now while I can, and clear my calender for the fall to make time for all the goodness.

[gl0ry]

For anyone using a sony psx/ps2 based dualshock pcb in their stick I highly recommend a Dream Box adapter which is 100% perfect and supports the headset. You can get those at lik-sang.

[BulleT]

When is ggxx#r shipping for the ps2 and xbox? Does anyone know where to get a stick that use can use for x-box if so how much would it cost to buy one. I still can't get over how many fighting games will be on xbox live this is the best news ive heard gaming wise is longest time = )

[Covenant]

Originally posted by Mr Mort
I concur with everyone else, this is tremendous news.
Easily something many of us have been hoping for, and it's finally going to be reality.

Without question, this is going to be the Xbox' strongest year:
-SFA/SFIII
-GGXX #R
-Metal Slug 3
-Metal Slug 4/5
-Rallisport 2
-MechAssault 2
-Unreal Championship 2
-Halo 2
-SvC Chaos

All those games are likely to be high calibur titles, with almost all of them having online play. There is plenty of goodness to be had on the Xbox this year.

Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow
Ninja Gaiden

So many more as well. The games are so good that I've spent tons of money on them. I now have 30 games and plan to get alot more. Damn! :mad:

[Freddy2Fred]

OOOUU UU Shit... They Back

[MSF78]

COLOR=royalblue]Leeeet's geet reeaady tooo RUUUUMBLEEEE!!! [/COLOR]

[folken001]

Originally posted by crono_marle

Folken001: Talk to Phil McFly about parrying online. He has a video with the amount of parrying he did. He jumps into supers and parries them lag and all. So, the times you must have played were times were the person had a bad connection or your connection was just going screwy.

Try it again with a better connection.:)

I don't know how he can do it because lag time could be different everyday, every minute and every second. The point is, I do not want to torture myself to adapt to the lag time. Some people can do it and some people can't.

I have tried Xbox Live from three locations. They all lagged like shit. I even went to platinum_pinoy's house and it still loagged. So, how am I supposed to get "better" connection? Should I move out of my state or something? If I was a die hard Xbot, then I might. Unfortunately, I am not....

[DevilJin 01]

Yeah, unfortuantely some ISP's provide better upload speeds than others. You can buy more upload speed if your connection really sucks though. Like if you play from people near where you live and the connection still sucks, you might have to opt to buying more bandwith.

[Fatghost28]

Originally posted by BulleT
When is ggxx#r shipping for the ps2 and xbox? Does anyone know where to get a stick that use can use for x-box if so how much would it cost to buy one. I still can't get over how many fighting games will be on xbox live this is the best news ive heard gaming wise is longest time = )

GGXX#R came out for the PS2 in Japan last summer. It is not coming here for PS2. Guilty Gear Isuka for PS2 is coming to the US sometime this fall.

GFXX#R hits the Xbox this late summer/early fall.

[folken001]

Originally posted by DevilJin 01
Yeah, unfortuantely some ISP's provide better upload speeds than others. You can buy more upload speed if your connection really sucks though. Like if you play from people near where you live and the connection still sucks, you might have to opt to buying more bandwith.

The upload speed is 45 KB/sec . That should be enough. I already pay around 40 bucks for it a month, I am not willing to pay anymore than that.

[folken001]

Originally posted by Fatghost28


GGXX#R came out for the PS2 in Japan last summer. It is not coming here for PS2. Guilty Gear Isuka for PS2 is coming to the US sometime this fall.

GFXX#R hits the Xbox this late summer/early fall.

I think GGXX #R will eventually come to PS2 in the states... PPLs just have to wait. I already got mine...:)

[StriderNC]

Take it easy buddy....i'm just stating my opinion...is that a crime?? If you enjoy online play...thats just fine. I'm just saying that its not something that really matters to me..cause i have played cvs2 on xbox live...and most of the time it just isnt the same.

then why did u decide to open, read, and then post in a thread about LIVE support on this game.

I don't see why folks get pissed about extra features being added to a game. It doesn't hurt anything and I would much rather sit and fight a human with a bit of lag than the CPU when home alone. At least have it as an option anyway....

It'll take time till the "lag" problem can be dealt with and made not an issue. That won't happen tho unless an effort is made..... it's cool that the effort is actually being made now. Especially since 2-D fighters are barely alive still.....

[DevilJin 01]

Damn...45kb upload. That's mad slow. You need at least 128 for Xbox Live to even be playable. You must have problems with your connection or your ISP just doesn't give out that much UL speed (the latter more so being the case). Mine usually runs at about 160-180kb.

[folken001]

Originally posted by DevilJin 01
Damn...45kb upload. That's mad slow. You need at least 128 for Xbox Live to even be playable. You must have problems with your connection or your ISP just doesn't give out that much UL speed (the latter more so being the case). Mine usually runs at about 160-180kb.

K, i wrote it wrong. It's my fault. My upload speed is 386Kb which is 45k/sec. That's what I meant....

[platinum_pinoy]

How do you find out what your upload speed is?

[BOOGIECAT]

Wow Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike on Xbox Live that would be great!

[DevilJin 01]

K, i wrote it wrong. It's my fault. My upload speed is 386Kb which is 45k/sec. That's what I meant....

OOOH. Well, you shouldn't have any problems unless you're playing against someone with a crap connection (or someone really F'n far away).:D

[VEGA_OMEGA]

this is gonna be bomb!

[Havoc]

For all the people who've never played on Live before, don't believe the hype, either way. Some people say it's horribly laggy, some people say it's perfect.

The truth: It's neither.

XBL always has lag. Not major lag, but there's always some sort of lag. Because of this, at least in CvS2, things like jumping and rolling work much more than they should. Parrying really isn't that hard online though. It's actually pretty easy.

As for the person who asked if you could punish a whiffed Fierce with a low Forward on reaction, the answer is no. I can't do it at least, and I can definitely do that offline.

The key to playing on XBL is to not take it seriously. You can have very good matches, but you'll never have perfect matches. I already bought my XBox and dropped like $500 on CvS2 alone, and I regretted it. Now, I don't anymore with this announcement.

Bottom Line: I don't really like Live that much, but I still play the shit out of it. I'm probably never gonna be able to go to EVO, and with Live, I can play Valle whenver the hell I want to, even if it's only casual (and kinda shitty casual, at that). If I had to do it again, I'd still drop the dough on the Box (and ask around the XBL community; that's a lot coming from me). If I still lived in NYC, I don't know if I'd make that same decision, but if you're lacking comp at all, just get the Box.

[Twitch77]

why did they say chun li will make a cameo appearance?


they also didnt mention 3s being online just AE

[RoninChaos]

I'll probably end up buying the PS2 version and the Xbox version just to support the fact that capcom is doing this. Maybe they'll make something new if these packages actually sell well.

[SmoothCat]

People should buy it just to support capcom maybe they will make another game :cool:

[The Dark Evil]

Fuckin awesome.I got my Xbox and all my games stolen like a month ago and I'm gonna buy another Xbox when the price goes down to $100.I swear Capcom better have a really good netcode for the online play because if its gonna be the same laggy shit as cvs2 I might as well not buy it.

I'm looking forward to playing you all.

(BTW,why are there so many Naruto fans all of the sudden?)

[brian]

I just dont get this. How the hell are you going to play 3s online? links into supers on reaction? short short super on reaction? blocking overheads (including ones that lead to massive dmg like urien's when you're in an aegis)? parrying extra times when you see your opponent use a multi hitting move as anti air (such as an EX dp)? escaping makoto's dash? hitting whiffed moves? throwing out a super when you see your opponent do a move? teching a shoto/urien/elena/whoever dash -> throw?
These are all things that require good reactions even in an arcade- and are fundamental to playing the game.

Unless Xbox live is as good as zbattle (and even then most of this shit would probably still be impossible), I just dont see why everyone's so excited about this..


EDIT: I certainly do hope I'm wrong though... I'd be the first one in line to buy an XBox if I am....

[MrHappyface]

hell freakin' yeah!
i'm buying an xbox now,
just to play 3rd Strike!

how much does it cost?

[Skyler]

Sounds good alright for SFAE being online only for xbox so far, but imma wait to get an xbox. oh lets say when xbox hit $100 price drop for me:cool: so i wont have to pay so much just to play one game online. If only damn capcom would give us PS2 owners an online option too:( oh well back to playing socom 2:cool:

[K dash]

Sony seriously needs to straighten out their online strategy. Other than EA and Sony themselves, few games that NEED it, have implemented online sequences.

But yea, WHOO HOO!

[caliagent#3]

Originally posted by brian
I just dont get this. How the hell are you going to play 3s online? links into supers on reaction? short short super on reaction? blocking overheads (including ones that lead to massive dmg like urien's when you're in an aegis)? parrying extra times when you see your opponent use a multi hitting move as anti air (such as an EX dp)? escaping makoto's dash? hitting whiffed moves? throwing out a super when you see your opponent do a move? teching a shoto/urien/elena/whoever dash -> throw?
These are all things that require good reactions even in an arcade- and are fundamental to playing the game.

Unless Xbox live is as good as zbattle (and even then most of this shit would probably still be impossible), I just dont see why everyone's so excited about this..


EDIT: I certainly do hope I'm wrong though... I'd be the first one in line to buy an XBox if I am....

I can still short short super on xbl when playing cvs2, block short jumps, and many other people can do difficlut customs even in the worst lag. As long as u have a good connection it should be ifne. THe thing is a lot of people think their connection is good, but it really isn't. I thought my connection was good with DSL, until i switched to cable and now my matches are almost lag free unless the other persons connection sucks. But even then, the games are still pretty decent

[folken001]

Originally posted by caliagent#3


I can still short short super on xbl when playing cvs2, block short jumps, and many other people can do difficlut customs even in the worst lag. As long as u have a good connection it should be ifne. THe thing is a lot of people think their connection is good, but it really isn't. I thought my connection was good with DSL, until i switched to cable and now my matches are almost lag free unless the other persons connection sucks. But even then, the games are still pretty decent

I heard these people who can carry out their comboes smoothly use modified arcade stick. Their buttons are all turboed...

My connection is good. I can see that from downloading/uploading stuff. Using my connection, games like PSO run fine, why not CvS2? What is it with the 2D games and lag? Some people say it's the netcode, I say it's just how 2D games work online. We'll see pretty soon when GGXX #r comes out in the states.

Whenever I play CvS2 on Live, it always seems my character has 5x of gravity on it. There is never lag free. It would be a lucky day if lag is not heavy.

[Pat the Great]

even if microsoft made xbox live the best gaming network on earth, it wouldn't be able to eliminate lag. it's a sad fact of physics. it takes time for your game inputs at an arcade cabinet to travel from the stick to register; of COURSE it'll take longer when you're playing against someone who's not sitting next to you at the same cabinet.

this isn't a problem if you're using a rocket launcher with splash damage to compensate for a misfire.

this IS a problem if you're trying to consistently hit one- or -two frame links, frcs, whatever. if nothing else, i imagine you'd start to develop shitty arcade habits.

i live in cali...enough arcade comp for me here. good on ya, capcom, but i'll pass.

[JigglyPuffKilla]

Every single game of CVs2 played on live has some lag. Even though it might not be noticeable there is. And yes I do play this game at the arcade and you could tell. The above post also makes a ton of sense.

[dman1869]

I'm happy! Might not be perfect, but I'll be first in line to pick up a copy. See you guys in the fall.

[Peperoth]

this is fucking great news, i love my xbox. i got something for all u motherfuckers out there come release day!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!

[caliagent#3]

Originally posted by folken001


I heard these people who can carry out their comboes smoothly use modified arcade stick. Their buttons are all turboed...



:lol: , please tell me that u don't actually believe this or that u were just joking.

[brian]

Originally posted by Pat the Great
even if microsoft made xbox live the best gaming network on earth, it wouldn't be able to eliminate lag. it's a sad fact of physics. it takes time for your game inputs at an arcade cabinet to travel from the stick to register; of COURSE it'll take longer when you're playing against someone who's not sitting next to you at the same cabinet.



Actually, its not obvious that theres some fundamental physical limitation to lagless online play. Traveling at the speed of light, it takes a signal about 1/20 of a second to get to the other side of the world. That would probably be fine for street fighter, and of course if youre playing someone in the same country, it would be far less than that. So presumably present online systems are set up in a non-optimal way..

[doujinshi_2001]

Originally posted by folken001


I heard these people who can carry out their comboes smoothly use modified arcade stick. Their buttons are all turboed...


Oh yeah dude, I'm sure whatever modified stick that Calipower and DreamTR are using must be sent from heaven and I must get one of those!

[gl0ry]

Originally posted by Soulblade136


Oh yeah dude, I'm sure whatever modified stick that Calipower and DreamTR are using must be sent from heaven and I must get one of those!

:lol:

[Ultima-X]

So Capcom is goning to have to mention online play for the PS2 version @ E3 right?Shit if they don't announce it somethings very wrong with them.

[sim0n]

sure, there is going to be some lag. but for the most part, it'll be totally playable and, regardless, it'll still be 10x better than playing against Sean's AI and fuckin' Gill.

I am a happy happy camper who now needs to find a modchip that'll allow me play xbox live when i need.

woohoo. cross-counter-cross-country!

[gl0ry]

Originally posted by Ultima-X
So Capcom is goning to have to mention online play for the PS2 version @ E3 right?Shit if they don't announce it somethings very wrong with them.

There is no reason for those games to go online for ps2. ps2 doesn't have an organized and stable online setup like xbox live. Either way I really don't care. I bought my xbox a while back just for cvs2 live and now I realized I mad a good decision.

[FMJaguar]

Originally posted by brian
I just dont get this. How the hell are you going to play 3s online? ... teching a shoto/urien/elena/whoever dash -> throw?
These are all things that require good reactions even in an arcade- and are fundamental to playing the game.


Because if that was what SF was about, playing comp would be useless anyway, you could be the best by going into training mode and practicing your reaction time, or by playing whack-a-mole at the arcade... Try looking at a bigger picture

Jot down all the characters in 3s, now write down someone in your area that you can play in the immediate future, that has mastered that character to say, evo top 16 level. You can probably play ken with 2 or 3 styles as well as some other characters, so be sure to include that. Now anything that isn't accounted for, is a free loss, you can have all the reactions you want, you just don't get to play.

Even if your in cali or even japan there's always someone that you haven't seen yet. That seems far more important than stuff you can practice in training mode. If your game is all about things that are useless online, try expanding your skillset, it will probably help offline too.

[*InVeRs3*]

We shouldn't worry about if it will go online on PS2 or GC.


The real issue is.....


IT SHOULD BE ARCADE PERFECT

[isamu]

This is good news. People are talking about how good your connection is but like others have said, CvS2 had horrible net code. I'd like to think Capcom have learned from their mistakes. Anyone who's played Zbattle can tell you that is *VERY* possible to have LAGFREE fighting game matches over the net, it just takes good netcode. If 3S' netcode is anywhere as good as Zbattle this is going to be the bomb!

Now Capcom PLEASE give us SPFIIt.

[DevilJin 01]

OMG if you get Xbox Live we so have to play some 3rd Strike it's not funny. I got my Pelican Real Arcade (soon hopefully a custom arcade stick) stick ready to bust some asses. Catch ya on Live girl. Smooches smooches.:o

[S-groovephantom]

Originally posted by DevilJin 01
OMG if you get Xbox Live we so have to play some 3rd Strike it's not funny. I got my Pelican Real Arcade (soon hopefully a custom arcade stick) stick ready to bust some asses. Catch ya on Live girl. Smooches smooches.:o



LOL:lol:

[brian]

Originally posted by FMJaguar


Because if that was what SF was about, playing comp would be useless anyway, you could be the best by going into training mode and practicing your reaction time, or by playing whack-a-mole at the arcade... Try looking at a bigger picture

Jot down all the characters in 3s, now write down someone in your area that you can play in the immediate future, that has mastered that character to say, evo top 16 level. You can probably play ken with 2 or 3 styles as well as some other characters, so be sure to include that. Now anything that isn't accounted for, is a free loss, you can have all the reactions you want, you just don't get to play.

Even if your in cali or even japan there's always someone that you haven't seen yet. That seems far more important than stuff you can practice in training mode. If your game is all about things that are useless online, try expanding your skillset, it will probably help offline too.


Um, take out the stuff that I listed, and 3s isnt even a glimmer of the same game (for better or worse).

[Ultima-X]

Capcom support online play for Resident Evil. Why shouldn't it for Street Fighter? It's Street Fighter for fucks sake. The PS2 has yet to see a 2-D online fighter soince the release of the NA. PS2 has the most owners as well. Why won't they make it online?

[saberwolf]

This is great news thanks for posting the info.:D

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Ultima-X
So Capcom is goning to have to mention online play for the PS2 version @ E3 right?Shit if they don't announce it somethings very wrong with them.

They damn well better. I really dont feel like dropping cash for an XBOX, a stick, games, a router(long story), and then XBOX Live. Thats too much.

[Richard]

I think Twitch77 might be right. IGN only said Anniversary Collection would be live... And it's also very clear that Douglass C. Perry has never played a SF game in his life...
Originally posted by brian
Actually, its not obvious that theres some fundamental physical limitation to lagless online play. Traveling at the speed of light, it takes a signal about 1/20 of a second to get to the other side of the world. That would probably be fine for street fighter
Let's see-

Assuming the signal travels in a perfectly conductive cable at the full speed of light, it would still take at least 0.0667 sec to go half of the circumference of the earth. This assumes it travels in a direct path as the crow flies, but this is never the case (a network between two points will usually doubleback on itself a few times).

Now consider also that the cabling isn't perfect, and also that signal processing needs to take place (probaly 3-4 times at each end, and maybe once or twice in the middle), and that this is without traffic. So in the real world it could take anything well over 0.1 - 0.2 sec.

And using 1/60, one frame of SF is 0.0166 sec. Ahem.

[oORYUOo]

Originally posted by Richard
I think Twitch77 might be right. IGN only said Anniversary Collection would be live... And it's also very clear that Douglass C. Perry has never played a SF game in his life...

Let's see-

Assuming the signal travels in a perfectly conductive cable at the full speed of light, it would still take at least 0.0667 sec to go half of the circumference of the earth. This assumes it travels in a direct path as the crow flies, but this is never the case (a network between two points will usually doubleback on itself a few times).

Now consider also that the cabling isn't perfect, and also that signal processing needs to take place (probaly 3-4 times at each end, and maybe once or twice in the middle), and that this is without traffic. So in the real world it could take anything well over 0.1 - 0.2 sec.

And using 1/60, one frame of SF is 0.0166 sec. Ahem.

thanks for clarifying that:confused:

anyways, im counting the days till this comes out...

[Hanzou]

The anniversary collection includes Third Strike.

The Anniversary Collection is Hyper Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 3: Third Strike. Both titles are online enabled.

[DevilJin 01]

The anniversary collection includes Third Strike. The Anniversary Collection is Hyper Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 3: Third Strike. Both titles are online enabled.

Read and obey.

:cool:

[doujinshi_2001]

Originally posted by DevilJin 01


Read and obey.

:cool:

For some reason, Hyper Street Fighter 2 seems more appealing than 3S...

[romevjr]

You know all those people who tried to tell you that ps2 was better than xbox and would never buy one. They just lost the last leg they had to stand on. Chop! Chop! :lol:
But no, on a serious not. I am very happy about this news.

[DevilJin 01]

For some reason, Hyper Street Fighter 2 seems more appealing than 3S...

We'll see what happens when the game comes out.;)

[FMJaguar]

Originally posted by brian
Um, take out the stuff that I listed, and 3s isnt even a glimmer of the same game (for better or worse).

Everyone is so busy being considered 'perfect' that they never have a chance to play any game. These points about perfection are all pretty minor. If you want to get technical, you can never 'practice' a real life tournament situation, so why play at all?

A lot of people have played online games since they were invented, most of the best people online were great offline anyway. The exception is that you might not be able to do random dps or lucky shorts into supers every time, the rule is that its still the same game, and offers more overall than anyone has right now.

If not being able to practice robotic combos makes 3s terrible, then it's just a shitty game that resembles whack-a-mole more than a fighting game.

I'd like to think it has some more value than that, if i'm wrong, then i'll find out when it goes live and i can stop wasting my time playing it and leave it to the 'experts' such as yourself.

[brian]

Originally posted by FMJaguar



If not being able to practice robotic combos makes 3s terrible, then it's just a shitty game that resembles whack-a-mole more than a fighting game.

I'd like to think it has some more value than that, if i'm wrong, then i'll find out when it goes live and i can stop wasting my time playing it and leave it to the 'experts' such as yourself.

Look, the simple fact of the matter is this:

3s, (as well as like all new school games I guess) revolves around landing your meter. This is because hitting someone with your meter does waaay more damage then hitting them with a few pokes typically.

So how are you going to land your meter? You dont want to try to do it randomly, as if you get a super blocked, you eat massive damage. If you only do it as punishment for your opponent's mistakes, you wont be pressuring them at all during the match.

So you need ways to spend your meter on offense at times that you KNOW it will connect. There are really a few specific ways you can do this, but ultimately, they all involve reaction time.
Not ONLY reaction time of course... you have to SET UP the situation in which you expect your opponent MAY get hit by a ken low strong for example. But after that set up, if you cant react to whether the low strong actually connected, the brilliance of your setup is nullified.

So 3s does not equal whack a mole. Its more like 3s = part strategy/thinking game, and part whacka mole.

[Havoc]

If you can't understand what brian is talking about, then I don't know why you even play SF.

All that stuff about not being able to react to certain things, and the overall effect it will have on gameplay is 100% true. I play CvS2 online. The game is completely different than it is in the arcade.

Even though it is a dumbed down version of the game, it is still fun though. You just have to understand that Live games don't really mean anything because both players are being handicapped the moment they sign into XBL. The games are dumbed down, because let's face it, on the whole, we're all too damn good for our own good. Even average players that come to this site understand their characters down to single frames. Online play was never meant for players like us.

What you have to do is just dumb it down a little bit. It's still fun, and the best players still seem to dominate (CaliPower still owns up every single person on CvS2 Live). All the people complaining about lag should just buy the shit anyway. As frustrating as matches can be, in the end their still much more fun than playing the computer. Even if you have loads of comp, when you get that itch to play at 11 PM on Tuesday night, no arcade can satisfy that. XBL does.

[FMJaguar]

So how are you going to land your meter? You dont want to try to do it randomly, as if you get a super blocked, you eat massive damage. If you only do it as punishment for your opponent's mistakes, you wont be pressuring them at all during the match.

Online we can talk about mistakes and pressure freely, but in game the line is much more gray. Technically anytime you hit your opponent they made a 'mistake', but OTOH you have to make mistakes to win, they just get disguised as strategy on the replays.

So you need ways to spend your meter on offense at times that you KNOW it will connect. There are really a few specific ways you can do this, but ultimately, they all involve reaction time.

Not ONLY reaction time of course... you have to SET UP the situation in which you expect your opponent MAY get hit by a ken low strong for example. But after that set up, if you cant react to whether the low strong actually connected, the brilliance of your setup is nullified.

How is it nullified? the setup worked, and you can practice connecting the super in training mode if your not sure if you can hit it. The two things are unrelated: 1) if the setup works, 2) reacting to super in the required time... you can always practice 2, now you can practice 1. If your sparring you can't practice knocking your partner out, but you can go hit a punching bag instead. It's much easier to crank out some combo that's already in your muscle memory than to calculate frames of setups you've never seen or known about before.

We're not replacing evo or training mode with xbox live, it's just another option that does not exist now. People talk like they WANT less options, like it's better to sit around and pretend they are in japan already and don't need anything else. the funny thing is that some people there will probably appreciate it more, what can i say, they love the game, maybe some of us don't as much anymore.

So 3s does not equal whack a mole. Its more like 3s = part strategy/thinking game, and part whacka mole.

I can see that, now we just gotta get these big ass hammers to work on xbox.

[kite raiser]

The fact that lag will probably effect people's ability to parry won't bother me as I could never parry for shit anyway :lol:

[TAZMATTIK]

I knew there was a reason I bought X-Box. This is the best news to hit X-Box since the announcement of Doom3. And Halo2.

[EVERDRED]

online console play (to me) is the future of sf.

[bradlee289]

Now I have to buy another Xbox to put in my cabinet... and I will be happy to do it.

[Ness da Silent]

Originally posted by Dakine


Mistake? When did I just talk about MVC2 players? :rolleyes:

I was talking about all the players in general. They all (including me) are excited about this news.

Agreed I play MvC2 yet I dont get all hyped up about it... I like GGXX,CvS2,3s, and Alpha 3 just as much maybe even more.

[BaitOutClowns]

Originally posted by brian
I just dont get this. How the hell are you going to play 3s online? links into supers on reaction? short short super on reaction? blocking overheads (including ones that lead to massive dmg like urien's when you're in an aegis)? parrying extra times when you see your opponent use a multi hitting move as anti air (such as an EX dp)? escaping makoto's dash? hitting whiffed moves? throwing out a super when you see your opponent do a move? teching a shoto/urien/elena/whoever dash -> throw?
These are all things that require good reactions even in an arcade- and are fundamental to playing the game.

Unless Xbox live is as good as zbattle (and even then most of this shit would probably still be impossible), I just dont see why everyone's so excited about this..


EDIT: I certainly do hope I'm wrong though... I'd be the first one in line to buy an XBox if I am....


I can Parry Multi hit supers on XBL with P-groove and the timing is shorter than Xbox. Linking isnt hard at all.

[drzero7]

*sniff* God I love my Xbox now. It was a great decision for me to buy Xbox for DOA3. I'm looking forward to this more then Halo 2 thingy.

[Dios <-X->]

Originally posted by drzero7
*sniff* It was a great decision for me to buy Xbox for DOA3. .

Lol

[DevilJin 01]

WORD :cool:

[thienster]

Screw Streetfighter 3!
Parrying=Help I can't reverse a throw..
Parrying=mortal kombat johnny cage fatality moves

just like rap, the old school game is the best.
HYPER FIGHTING!

Just like rap music, the old school rules!

[DevilJin 01]

You'll change your mind when the game comes out.:cool:

[Covenant]

Those of you who don't think you can do shit on XBL here is a link for you. Hope it helps. ;)

http://www.justdefend.com/vids_page.html

[Midnight]

Any competition...laggy or not... is better than the competition I have now.................. ABSOLUTELY NONE!!!!!

[KingRaoh]

Originally posted by Midnight
Any competition...laggy or not... is better than the competition I have now.................. ABSOLUTELY NONE!!!!!

don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[Havoc]

Originally posted by Covenant
Those of you who don't think you can do shit on XBL here is a link for you. Hope it helps. ;)

http://www.justdefend.com/vids_page.html

Are you serious? If anything, that shows how much lag does effect players.

[folken001]

Originally posted by Havoc911


Are you serious? If anything, that shows how much lag does effect players.

LoL, I know.

But, I give them credits though. They play hell a lot better than I on Live.

[MrHappyface]

isn't anyone a little worried that all of these online fighters are gonna kill the arcade industry?

[Havoc]

Originally posted by MrHappyface
isn't anyone a little worried that all of these online fighters are gonna kill the arcade industry?

Sorry, I never thought I'd have to break this news to anyone, but...


The arcade industry is already dead. Almost all the arcades are already dead, and the ones that are still around are losing money and will be closing soon enough anyway. It sucks. It really does, but it's not because of XBL. XBL is just giving us something to remember them by.

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by MrHappyface
isn't anyone a little worried that all of these online fighters are gonna kill the arcade industry?

The arcade industry is flat dead. Personally, in about 10 years, arcades will be an extremely rare sight. Sad, really.

[MrHappyface]

what? even SVGL? even SJSU?!

*cries*

[GuileMike]

Originally posted by DevilJin 01
WORD :cool:


u and i know tekken is a better game:cool:

[Covenant]

Originally posted by Havoc911


Are you serious? If anything, that shows how much lag does effect players.

Of course. That is if you compare it to an arcade. But they were saying you can't land shit on live which isn't true at all. I can see hardcore arcade players hating on live but arcade gaming is on the downfall and will soon be dead sadly. Online gaming is the future. ;)

[Havoc]

What else would I compare it to though?

On XBL, a whole lot of stuff that is automatic just doesn't work on Live.

Question: How many times have you been hit with Forward Scissor Kick-> activate-> s. JP-> CC with Bison online.

I've never been hit with it, and I've only done it myself maybe twice, and I've been on Live for almost a year now. That Bison combo is basic shit, and it just doesn't work on Live (no A-Bisons even try it anymore).

The game is very different (and very dumbed down), but it's still fun to mess around with.

[nameingway]

guess ima have to get one of those oversized mother fuckers now...

damn.

[SniperG]

I will never support that evil company called mircosoft, I rather die.

[Covenant]

Hey SniperG I can almost guarantee you're not using Linux which means you're supporting Microsoft.

- Cov

[Zero1]

Originally posted by Covenant
Hey SniperG I can almost guarantee you're not using Linux which means you're supporting Microsoft.

- Cov

SniperG, u got OWNED!!

[Insaniac2]

Originally posted by Covenant
Hey SniperG I can almost guarantee you're not using Linux which means you're supporting Microsoft.

- Cov

Have you ever heard of a little thing called piracy?

[C_2]

the focus group they hosted last time really paid off. Almost everyone wanted their games to be online playable. and they did listen to what we wanted. good stuff.

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by SniperG
I will never support that evil company called mircosoft, I rather die.

Am I the only one that hates when people say stupid shit like this?

And just wondering, why would you rather die?

[lseelba]

Microsoft is not an evil corporation. Sure windows sucks, but where would we be without Microsoft. You can thank them for a lot of the efficiency gains the US has had over the last 20 years...

[Don Mack]

Originally posted by SniperG
I will never support that evil company called mircosoft, I rather die.

In other words you cant afford an Xbox

[Covenant]

Originally posted by Insaniac2


Have you ever heard of a little thing called piracy?

It doesn't matter if you're using a ripped windows or not. You're still using it.

[N-Ken]

Originally posted by Covenant


It doesn't matter if you're using a ripped windows or not. You're still using it.

But you aren't supporting them Mr. Hawking, support = money.

And just because Microsoft stole ideas before anyone else doesnt mean someone else wouldn't have done it:rolleyes:

[RaJu_]

Online play has never really been my thing and its not just lag that puts me off.

But this sounds tempting, but I would like to test it out before I go fork out the cash to get xbox with live.

[Richard]

Yeah, I guess you're supporting MS even if you didn't buy Windows, You probably paid $100 over the odds when you first got your computer (the shops automatically charge you for the preinstalled OS).

And even if you built it form scratch, the fact that you are contributing to the 90% Windows userbase is still "support".

Originally posted by lseelba
You can thank them for a lot of the efficiency gains the US has had over the last 20 years...
They aren't responsible for the power of computers! You think the military use Windows? Nasa? How about hospitals? The advertising/publishing industry? The music industry? The movie industry? Not a chance. None of them do. Only saddos in offices use Windows, where it doesn't matter that much.

Anyway, I guess without so much crashing/rebooting/upgrading, then those business "efficiency gains" might have been even higher.

[Skyler]

Originally posted by lseelba
Microsoft is not an evil corporation. Sure windows sucks, but where would we be without Microsoft. You can thank them for a lot of the efficiency gains the US has had over the last 20 years...

man, whatcha talking about microsoft is evil. after 3 months, Windows XP cancle my microsoft works which in that case, i cant use excel or word processor ever agan until i buy the software. and you know how expensive the freakin software cost jsut for microsoft works:mad: the hell with it, ill just go back to win98:cool:

[synt4x]

I pity those of you who ignore facts and believe the media.

Microsoft is not evil. Microsoft is not there to take over the world, It's not there to conquor your territory.

So what if microsoft is rich? In this world, there will always be a higher spot and a lower spot. That's how it works. Remember rome? would you hate rome just because it was popular?

You hate microsoft for no reason at all, maybe the old windows, but now... what exactly have they done wrong? if you hate something you can usually alternate and you're never ever obligated to use anything that is microsoft.

It's very sad when paranoia takes over pleasure. Do yourself a favor, buy an xbox if you don't have one and want to play online 2d fighters, if not, then don't. It's not like you have to.

What exactly are you people whining about? Seriously, if you know you'll spend countless amounts of time playing these games online, money has no value.

I've spent 39$ USD on unreal tournament 2004... to me that's alot since I get paid 9$ an hour canadian and live alone.. but does it matter? no... i'm positive i'll play this until the game dies.

Think about it this way... 10$ for 1-2 hours of entertainement in numerous places...

29$ + 149$ + 49$ = 227$

227$\10$ = 22.7

22.7 or 45.4 hours of entertainment value that will last for years.

If you still don't get it, count how many times you go see movies in a year, then count how much xbox is worth and how much value you're getting out of it.

Ya... I'll spend the money where it lasts.

Thank you very much, but instead of whining here about not being able to eat a few bigmacs for a month, I'll be playing guilty gear x2 online.

[Richard]

Originally posted by synt4x
I pity those of you who ignore facts and believe the media.

Microsoft is not evil. Microsoft is not there to take over the world, It's not there to conquor your territory.
It's evil because:
They use dubious and unfair tactics to drive their competitors out of business (here, I'm talking about both operating systems, and also about other software aps). I guess it's too bad if you make a living working for the rival software company that just went bankrupt, huh?
This means that there is little or no competition with software, meaning that prices can be set as high as they want without fear of losing customers. It's getting to the stage where software costs more than the computer. And does any company really need that much money?
Also, quality can drop as low as they want, because there isn't any pressure/competition to do better. It'll sell regardless.
With such an unrivaled monopoly, innovation and rate of progess is low, which in turn harms computer users.
And yeah, they do actively seek to conquer and dominate in new areas (even areas where they have no experience and are clearly inferior: see browsers, IM, gaming, mail software, compilers, mediaplayers, etc.)

[FMJaguar]

All we've succeeded in doing is enlarging the thread by a page of off topic nonsense.

From what's available xbox is it in terms of legal online fighting games, so i don't see why there is a debate. My stance is that i can't wait for these games to start coming out so we can get our leagues together.

[Havoc]

Originally posted by Richard

It's evil because:
They use dubious and unfair tactics to drive their competitors out of business (here, I'm talking about both operating systems, and also about other software aps). I guess it's too bad if you make a living working for the rival software company that just went bankrupt, huh?
This means that there is little or no competition with software, meaning that prices can be set as high as they want without fear of losing customers. It's getting to the stage where software costs more than the computer. And does any company really need that much money?
Also, quality can drop as low as they want, because there isn't any pressure/competition to do better. It'll sell regardless.
With such an unrivaled monopoly, innovation and rate of progess is low, which in turn harms computer users.
And yeah, they do actively seek to conquer and dominate in new areas (even areas where they have no experience and are clearly inferior: see browsers, IM, gaming, mail software, compilers, mediaplayers, etc.)

:lol: :lol:

It's called "business". Believe it or not, this is exactly what every company in the world is trying to do. Microsoft is just the one that's doing it right now.

Do you think Burger King likes the fact that McDonalds' is in business? If they could monopolize the fast food market, and push up prices, they would. Have you ever shopped at Wal-Mart? They make Microsoft look like saints, but who cares? It's business.

If you don't like Microsoft, buy a damn Mac. I have one, I like it much more than any PC. You do have options. Sitting in your room throwing darts at your Bill Gates dartboard isn't gonna do anything.

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Richard

It's evil because:
They use dubious and unfair tactics to drive their competitors out of business (here, I'm talking about both operating systems, and also about other software aps). I guess it's too bad if you make a living working for the rival software company that just went bankrupt, huh?
This means that there is little or no competition with software, meaning that prices can be set as high as they want without fear of losing customers. It's getting to the stage where software costs more than the computer. And does any company really need that much money?
Also, quality can drop as low as they want, because there isn't any pressure/competition to do better. It'll sell regardless.
With such an unrivaled monopoly, innovation and rate of progess is low, which in turn harms computer users.
And yeah, they do actively seek to conquer and dominate in new areas (even areas where they have no experience and are clearly inferior: see browsers, IM, gaming, mail software, compilers, mediaplayers, etc.)

And you know what? All of that is called business. Shut up.

[Richard]

^ Yeah, I love Macs, and regularly use Linux for all my serious work. And aside from testing purposes, I've never surfed with IE in my whole life. Unlike most people, I do make active choices in what I use.

As for the simplistic "it's business", well, yeah, sure, but that doesn't make them good. And as I said, it's got to the stage where there IS NO WAY for another company to compete, because as soon as MS feel threatened by another superior product (for example, Winamp), then bang: they pull the "OS integration" card, and also put in 500 default shortcut icons to their own inferior version of the product on every menu and desktop, and make the thing startup as soon as you log on.

Most people aren't even aware they have a choice of WP software... That's what I'm saying. Rightly or wrongly, morally or immorally, logically or illogically, that's the way it is. MS can easily wipe out all rivals, and in turn that gives them even more power to be "successful" in the future. Great way of doing things, huh?

So as for the shortsighted McDonalds comparison, that just makes you a fucking moron.

As for what this has to do with SF going online- I have no idea!

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Richard
Rightly or wrongly, morally or immorally, logically or illogically, that's the way it is. MS can easily wipe out all rivals, and in turn that gives them even more power to be "successful" in the future. Great way of doing things, huh?

.02, just so you know.

So you want a company to make less money just for morality? I laugh at that. Want to know how they wipe out their rivals? They do their shit right, and they still do it right. Again, THATS BUSINESS. They're out to beat out the competition and make money, NOT to do the "right thing". If they can crush competition and dominate the market, then hey, power to them. People buy their stuff because its good, not cause there arent any other choices.

Now getting back on topic, will Those XBOX Magic Box converters properly map with a custom stick wired with a DC controller board, or will I have issues? I'd rather pay $20 for the converter than $60-$80 for a new stick, cause "switching" over to the XBOX is costing me enough(system/games/XBL/router).

[Darmonde]

Originally posted by Eckostyle


Now getting back on topic, will Those XBOX Magic Box converters properly map with a custom stick wired with a DC controller board, or will I have issues? I'd rather pay $20 for the converter than $60-$80 for a new stick, cause "switching" over to the XBOX is costing me enough(system/games/XBL/router).

I've heard magic box maps L and R buttons, not C and Z buttons from DC. Which may or may not be an issue depending on how your stick is wired or if you're willing to rewire. I'm making an xb stick since I never really made a great DC one.. so is there even such a converter that goes from xb to dc? or would it have to be xb-ps2-dc (which would probably suck)? Anyone have suggestions?

[Mummy-B]

Originally posted by Richard
^ Yeah, I love Macs, and regularly use Linux for all my serious work.

Fuckin word to that.

Isn't Mac OS X Unix based though? Or was the Linux statement completely separate

[synt4x]

why is that moron ranting about ms putting stuff on their own operating system? what the fuck...

if i owned an operating system, and i saw someone develop a program for it and came out to be a success, i'd launch new operating systems with my own version of that software aswell.

it's not microsoft's fault everyone uses windows, if you don't like windows, use something else man, i just don't understand you at all.

microsoft can do what they please to their own operating system. if you don't like the new additions ,uninstall them or download from 3rd parties... it's not like MS makes you use wmp instead of winamp, you can set winamp to be the default player.

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Darmonde


I've heard magic box maps L and R buttons, not C and Z buttons from DC.

C and Z buttons?

[Richard]

Mummy-B- Well, yeah, MacOSX is unix-based, but what I meant was that I love Macs, and also that I use dedicated Red Hat Linux machines as well.

Originally posted by Eckostyle
So you want a company to make less money just for morality?

Huh? I made no judgements on the morality. You're the one who keeps bringing it up. Unlike most people, I judge it on the quality.

But then, with your argument, what if the person who lays the roads said that you could only use a Mitsubishi car and not a Ford? Let me know what you think of that logic in a PM.

They do their shit right, and they still do it right.

People buy their stuff because its good

I'm gonna treat this with the intelligent response it deserves:

Ready?

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They're out to beat out the competition and make money, NOT to do the "right thing"
Yeah, you're right. Whatever. But that doesn't mean that the end user has the best software, which was my point. You can force software on people all you want, and make all the trillions of dollars you want, but at the end of thge day, most people are stuck with a load of shit. That's my point.

Now stop wrecking the thread by bringing this up again and again... Keep quiet and show me that you're mature enough to do that, will ya?

[JumpsuitJesse]

Yo! PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC :)

Anyone hear anything new on the subject??

[wetworker]

Can't wate to get it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[Fatghost28]

PS2 versions will be online now too according to IGN.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/515/515753p1.html

[FMJaguar]

that is shocking, I think they moved too late tho, had this been out 6 months ago ps2 would have won easy. #R being on live will be a big advantage to MS in the choice of systems.

[doujinshi_2001]

Originally posted by Fatghost28
PS2 versions will be online now too according to IGN.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/515/515753p1.html

3S 100% identical to the arcade version? Hmmmmmmmmm....

[Covenant]

PS2 sucks :lol:

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Fatghost28
PS2 versions will be online now too according to IGN.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/515/515753p1.html


YES.

Now I wont need to drop cash on an XBOX.

[DevilJin 01]

It's about time PS2 got an online fighter. Though it kinda sucks though cuz now the SF:AE online gamers will be divided up. I doubt we'll be able to play against someone on a different platform so there'll definitely be a different group of online gamers for the PS2/Xbox versions. Well...at least PS2 is getting somewhere with it's first online fighter.

[Havoc]

You know what's sad? Dumbass niggas like me are gonna buy all the games for both systems just to have the maximum amount of comp.


Dammit!

[Skyler]

Originally posted by Covenant
PS2 sucks :lol:

hmmmm....... If i recall, isnt PS2 the #1 selling console in the world. If so, then how does this console suck when it kick xbox and GC ass without much hassel at the same time. If this console suck, then why are companies still making games for this console call PS2?? hmmm.... i guess this console really does suck in your world of course, but you got nothing on PS2 so stop bashing PS2 for crying out loud:mad: :cool:

Like i say, I hope the rumor about PS2 online SFACollection is true, for this would be great newz alrighty:eek:

[Saqs]

Originally posted by Fatghost28
PS2 versions will be online now too according to IGN.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/515/515753p1.html
Sorry but thats a mistake. IGN PS2 just copy and pasted the same write up from IGNXB.
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/515/515752p1.html

Read the press releases for proof.

http://www.capcom.com/e3_2004/sfac/sfac_ps2.doc

[Darmonde]

Originally posted by Eckostyle


C and Z buttons?

Dreamcast standard controllers had digital ABXY buttons and analog L and R buttons. Other controllers (some 3rd party, arcade sticks etc) had digital C and Z buttons instead of the L and R. They did exactly the same thing as L and R 95% of the time (just ditigal, not analog) but they ARE different signals.

Magic box only converts L and R buttons. Not Z and C. So if your stick is wired to Z and C you're screwed unless you rewire, if it's even possible with your stick.

Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[gl0ry]

not only is that a mistake... you guys got excited for no damn reason.. Proof read that shit in the ps2 article

"The controls are solid, but if it definitely isn't the same using a Controller S as an arcade stick, so you will want to invest in one if you're gonna buy this game when it ships later this year."

Since when did ps2 have a s controller???

:lame: :mad:

[SmoothCat]

i hope its not ont he ps2 that way al the comp can be on 1 system:p

[DarkCloud12X]

Didn't see the PS2 Online bit in here...

Unfortunately a member of the Gaming Age forums was able to go to E3 and specifically spoke to the Capcom reps at the show about the whole online issue.

SFAnniversary will be online for the Xbox only...And they also confirmed that both games would be online in the pack (i know some people were confused on this issue)

IGN is just being retarded this time.

The link to the thread (http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?threadid=91857) (You need a Gaming Age forum account to view the thread)

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by DarkCloud12X
[B]SFAnniversary will be online for the Xbox only



I seriously hope your wrong. I really do not want to drop all the cash on going over the the 'Box.

[caliagent#3]

Sell your ps2 and get an xbox. easy.

[DarkCloud12X]

Originally posted by Eckostyle




I seriously hope your wrong. I really do not want to drop all the cash on going over the the 'Box.

I'd like to say I was but I'm not. No sense holding hope for something that isn't going to happen. The guy spoke with them just two days ago so the info is current.

And with the PS2 version shipping in a few months theres no time to implement online play into the PS2 version as well as set up the servers and test them...The game would have to be delayed into the Holiday season which would be murder for it as it'd be going up against hyped titles like MGS3, GT4, Killzone, and even MK6 (yes I said MK6 :lol: ) for sales.

If you want to play this game online you'll have to get an Xbox. Sorry.

[nothing]

for people like me, who don't have any good arcades within a fifty mile radius anymore, online online fighters are as good as it gets. i'm just glad game companies are now realizing this.

[Covenant]

Just get a Box. Why do you play the PS2? The only reason I'd get one of those is for FFXI and some of the RPG's. The box is cheap right now. Get the awesome looking Halo Edition and you get Halo with the Box and a controller, it's a nice deal.

[Eckostyle]

many snips

If thats the case, I might as well get a Box. I'll prolly just get a used Box off of eBay, along w/ used games and 12-month XBL, just to save some cash. As kick ass as the system + game bundles look, they're a lil' too expensive for my salary(5.50/hr at a library). Oh well, at least I'll have some online SF. :)

As for why I play the PS2, I play it because the PS2 is where all the games I want to play end up (RPG's, Bemani, racers, and so on). Up until now, almost everything I wanted an XBOX for either ended up on the PS2(Splinter Cell) or PC(Morrowind, KOTOR).

[Richard]

Originally posted by Skyler
If i recall, isnt PS2 the #1 selling console in the world

There are 13 million Xbox consoles across the world (0.75 million of them are Live subscribers).

In contrast, there are nearly 80 million PS2s (and 2.6 million are online). So that's nearly triple the other two consoles put together.

Hmm.

Originally posted by Covenant
Why do you play the PS2?
The same reason all those others do I suppose. Better software support, better availablility, competitive pricing...

[Covenant]

Originally posted by Richard


There are 13 million Xbox consoles across the world (0.75 million of them are Live subscribers).

In contrast, there are nearly 80 million PS2s (and 2.6 million are online). So that's nearly triple the other two consoles put together.

Hmm.


The same reason all those others do I suppose. Better software support, better availablility, competitive pricing...

Xbox cut the price before PS2.

Availability? To what?

Pricing? Xbox is cheap.

[Skyler]

Originally posted by Covenant
Just get a Box. Why do you play the PS2? The only reason I'd get one of those is for FFXI and some of the RPG's. The box is cheap right now. Get the awesome looking Halo Edition and you get Halo with the Box and a controller, it's a nice deal.


PS2 has a better library than Xbox does, so i wouldnt get an xbox until the console goes down to $100 dollars for im not willing to spit out $150 for a console and another $50 for a game. PS2 line up is much greater than Xbox line up this year. PS2 has Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil May Cry 3, Gran Turismo 4, Silent Hill 4, Tenchu 4, WWE Smackdown vs. Raw, FFXII, Kingdom Hearts 2, GTA San Anderson, Tekken 5, REOutbreak #2, etc. Hao 2 is the most anticipated waiting game for xbox alright, but i rather get the game for the PC cause 1st person shooters are alot better on PC than xbox console.:cool:


Originally posted by Covenant

Xbox cut the price before PS2.

Availability? To what?

Pricing? Xbox is cheap.

PS2 annouce there price cut too for $149.99 and i think it comes with a network adapter too.

It be nice for capcom to test out there online mode for SF2AC on the PS2 to see how the console handles it too, but samething once again happens with capcom being really lazy about just adding an online mode. People will buy the game, but capcom is so full of themselves when it comes to adding extras.:mad: count me out on the xbox live version until the console becomes really cheap and the game too for its not worth the $200 for just 1 game.:cool:

Software alwayz sellz a console, PS2 has the better list, so xbox and GC can compete with Sony for now.:D

[FMJaguar]

I doubt there's much time spent into bringing these games to PS2, the framework is probably still there from CvS2/MvC2 so just replace it with 3s stuff. AE was already made. You can say it's being lazy to not add crazy extras in, but IMO just bringing it to ps2 is more work than they needed to do.

As far as online gaming, does it matter anymore that ps2 is online, sure it sold a billion units or whatever, but how many people are online? the only two things were FF and EA sports, and EA is moving over to xbox.

I guess to some people the only 'gamers' are anime watching, rpg playing teens, but for me fighting games are 90% of why i would own a console (the other 10 being sports), and it was just a matter of who had the better online support. Its ridiculous IMO for us to expect capcom and everyone else to build network code into their games and make the servers and make sure it all runs while having the game on a machine thats not even theirs, so a few weeks later sony can announce some new dvd player with controllers that isn't backwards compatible.

[DarkCloud12X]

Originally posted by Eckostyle


If thats the case, I might as well get a Box. I'll prolly just get a used Box off of eBay, along w/ used games and 12-month XBL, just to save some cash. As kick ass as the system + game bundles look, they're a lil' too expensive for my salary(5.50/hr at a library). Oh well, at least I'll have some online SF. :)


That's cool...but may I suggest a refurbished system at EB or such instead of a used system through Ebay? Hard disk drives don't travel well via Ebay.

[Covenant]

Originally posted by Skyler



PS2 has a better library than Xbox does, so i wouldnt get an xbox until the console goes down to $100 dollars for im not willing to spit out $150 for a console and another $50 for a game. PS2 line up is much greater than Xbox line up this year. PS2 has Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil May Cry 3, Gran Turismo 4, Silent Hill 4, Tenchu 4, WWE Smackdown vs. Raw, FFXII, Kingdom Hearts 2, GTA San Anderson, Tekken 5, REOutbreak #2, etc. Hao 2 is the most anticipated waiting game for xbox alright, but i rather get the game for the PC cause 1st person shooters are alot better on PC than xbox console.:cool:




PS2 annouce there price cut too for $149.99 and i think it comes with a network adapter too.

It be nice for capcom to test out there online mode for SF2AC on the PS2 to see how the console handles it too, but samething once again happens with capcom being really lazy about just adding an online mode. People will buy the game, but capcom is so full of themselves when it comes to adding extras.:mad: count me out on the xbox live version until the console becomes really cheap and the game too for its not worth the $200 for just 1 game.:cool:

Software alwayz sellz a console, PS2 has the better list, so xbox and GC can compete with Sony for now.:D

The games you listed are almost laughable. I'm sorry you are totally wrong about the software. You can see my other thread located here.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/thread61616.php

[DevilJin 01]

I'm sorry but, Resident Evil Outbreak = DA SUCK. Takes the fun out of the game if you're playing it with multiple people. Especially if you can't talk to them either (and even if you could then people would just cheat their way through the game and ruin the experience). RE is 1 fucking player damn it.

Everything else you listed is great but, I didn't buy a PS2 just so I could fuck around with people in an online game I can't even communicate with them in.

[Ultima-X]

Heys guy according to an ign article the PS2 version is online! YES! Here's the link: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/515/515753p1.html

[gl0ry]

Originally posted by Ultima-X
Heys guy according to an ign article the PS2 version is online! YES! Here's the link: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/515/515753p1.html

You're late buddy. We have all already seen that and know it's a mistake on ign's part. They just copy and pasted the xbox report on anniversary.

"The controls are solid, but if it definitely isn't the same using a Controller S as an arcade stick, so you will want to invest in one if you're gonna buy this game when it ships later this year. "

Ps2 doesn't have a S controller :lol:

[Skyler]

Originally posted by Covenant


The games you listed are almost laughable. I'm sorry you are totally wrong about the software. You can see my other thread located here.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/thread61616.php

most of the games you mention covenant isnt even close to beating out Metal Gear Solid 3 so what the hell are you smoking on?? PS2 has more highly hype list than xbox for this year.

Metal Gear Solid 3(hideo is creating this one again)
Devil may Cry 3(the original developers are back)
Gran Turismo 4(who else can top sony?)
SF Anniversary Collection(looks like PS2 got it too)
Guilty Gear Iskua(PS2 isnt getting reload, but they got Isuka)
Resident Evil Outbreak#2(the fans out there are waiting)
GTA San Anderson(#1 PS2 game for right now)
Final Fantasy XII(the other fans are waiting too)
Kingdom Hearts 2(the other other fans are hype up)
Tenchu 4(very interesting game alright)
Capcom Fighting Jam(oh wait isnt PS2 getting this one too?)
Musashi Samurai Legends(hes back)
Mortal Kombat Deception(the only online fight for PS2 so far)
Tekken 5(how is this game laughable covenant??)
Smackdown vs. Raw(the number of sales will do the talking)
MegaMan X8(now its in 3D):lol:
Silent Hill 4(how scary will it be this time?)

so how can this lineup of just a small portion for the PS2 be laughable?? sorry covenant, but your lineup is far more laughable than mine. SVC:Chaos is a horrible ass game. How many copies did Prince of Persia 1 sold before you should even mention 2? StarCraft ghost is a wanna be Metal Gear alright. Zone of the ender 2 is better than mech 2. Doom 3, Halo 2, and Far Cry are better play on PC for we have better reaction and aiming time than the xbox anyday. For crying out loud most of the games you mention are horrible and isnt even top notch so before you bash PS2 line up this year, look at whose producing the games ok. Some of the games i mention are actually worth buying out on the 1st day, while the ones you mention isnt even worth renting or looking at. Jeeze you got bad taste for games cause if im going to buy a game, i do alot studing on the game unlike you with your SVC:Chaos:lol:

[Covenant]

No point in arguing with you, you're a moron. Most of the games you listed are trash. What is so great about the Box is it's Live feature which you obviously haven't experienced. You hype MGS3 so much. I don't know why. Halo 2 has more hype then all of your games combined. :rolleyes: Have fun playing games offline. Most of my offline games are collecting dust.

Peace.

[Eckostyle]

Originally posted by Covenant
No point in arguing with you, you're a moron. Most of the games you listed are trash. What is so great about the Box is it's Live feature which you obviously haven't experienced. You hype MGS3 so much. I don't know why. Halo 2 has more hype then all of your games combined. :rolleyes: Have fun playing games offline. Most of my offline games are collecting dust.

Peace.

Who are you to crack on someone just because they dont have the same taste in games as you? Looks like you're the moron.

[Skyler]

Originally posted by Covenant
No point in arguing with you, you're a moron. Most of the games you listed are trash. What is so great about the Box is it's Live feature which you obviously haven't experienced. You hype MGS3 so much. I don't know why. Halo 2 has more hype then all of your games combined. :rolleyes: Have fun playing games offline. Most of my offline games are collecting dust.

Peace.

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