Why did Capcom say 3 was the last Alpha game?

[Airthrow]

A lot of people complained about the SF updates because in their eyes they were barely different games (this is the mainstream gamer point of view).

I don't think anyone actually complained about there being 3 different alpha games though. Wasn't Alpha 3 a big success for Capcom? It makes no sense why they said that there would never be Alpha 4...

Did they ever say why? It's not like they did anything better.

[Zakuta]

..3rd Strike? =)

Anyway; A4? Nah...no need for more V madness.

[doujinshi_2001]

Yeah, really. Plus the storyline was set before SF1 or something

[bowiegranap]

Maybe they were tired of reusing the same sprites ones they've had since alpha 1?

[Master Coco]

lol! Capcom tired of using the same sprites...
Basically A3 had already set up the story for SF2, it is set between SF1 and 2, and there really was no need for another one.

[Airthrow]

Originally posted by Master Coco
lol! Capcom tired of using the same sprites...
Basically A3 had already set up the story for SF2, it is set between SF1 and 2, and there really was no need for another one.

That would make sense but I have a hard time believing that they couldn't have crammed one more game out leading up to SF2, especially if SFA3 was a cash-cow.

Does anyone have numbers for A3 arcade or console sales?

[vashthastampede]

Originally posted by Zakuta
..3rd Strike? =)

Anyway; A4? Nah...no need for more V madness.

3rd strike sucks ass! There, I finally said it.

[Mummy-B]

Well, technically, they had Street Fighter Zero 3 Upper, which was the last Alpha. But I guess it's technically Alpha 3 as well.

[Fatghost28]

I know A3 sold very well on PS1, DC and Saturn (Japan only) versions probably sold ok and the GBA game wasn't a failure.

I think 3rd Strike is the better game though.

I wouldn't mind a game set between SF2 and SF3, so we can see how the SF2 cast got on with things after SF2, and to maybe explain more about Gill and Urien's secret society stuff.

[Rhio2k]

I think they canned the alpha series cuz 3 was so fucked up compared to the other alpha games. It felt like some OTHER game with the alpha sprites, and felt like aside from the stupid "shadow custom combos" lame music, and non-descript stages, Capcom couldn't think of any other crap to add. This game made me RUN back to Alpha 2. If 3 was any good...don't you think there would be an ANIME based on it? Capcom makes anime based on the best version of their games: Alpha 2, Nightwarriors, Street Fighter 2 (Super...sort of...) I may be a little nuts, but there's a couple things I noticed about Capcom:

!: When they end a series, they put EVERYBODY in the game.

2: Their game series are like this:
1st: Nice, new
2nd: OH SHIT!! The BOMB!!
3rd: WTF is THIS shit? The only resemblace this piece of shit has is that it uses the same character sprites as the GOOD games in the series...back to part 2 for me!*


3: When they give the go-ahead to make an anime, it's always based on the second (invariably the best) game in the series.


*Not so much with Vampire Savior...but they added that lame-ass gimmick "Dark Force"...that shit was stupid and unneccesary. I'm guessing some higher-up told them to not fuck it up by changing the game too much.

[IceBeast]

Originally posted by bowiegranap
Maybe they were tired of reusing the same sprites ones they've had since alpha 1?

word!

The game engine was good enough for me to ignore the graphics. Alpha 3 is balance also...

[Zakuta]

LOL to A3's balance.

[Hollow]

A3 is balanced. Take any one of the discs, and place your finger in the middle. It won't topple over to one side or the other. See? Perfectly balanced..

[Chupacabra]

Originally posted by Rhio2k
I think they canned the alpha series cuz 3 was so fucked up compared to the other alpha games. It felt like some OTHER game with the alpha sprites, and felt like aside from the stupid "shadow custom combos" lame music, and non-descript stages, Capcom couldn't think of any other crap to add. This game made me RUN back to Alpha 2. If 3 was any good...don't you think there would be an ANIME based on it? Capcom makes anime based on the best version of their games: Alpha 2, Nightwarriors, Street Fighter 2 (Super...sort of...) I may be a little nuts, but there's a couple things I noticed about Capcom:

!: When they end a series, they put EVERYBODY in the game.

2: Their game series are like this:
1st: Nice, new
2nd: OH SHIT!! The BOMB!!
3rd: WTF is THIS shit? The only resemblace this piece of shit has is that it uses the same character sprites as the GOOD games in the series...back to part 2 for me!*


3: When they give the go-ahead to make an anime, it's always based on the second (invariably the best) game in the series.


*Not so much with Vampire Savior...but they added that lame-ass gimmick "Dark Force"...that shit was stupid and unneccesary. I'm guessing some higher-up told them to not fuck it up by changing the game too much.

You'd be hardpressed to find people that like 2i over 3s. They do exist though...

[Richard]

Alpha 2 was the last game that was really successful on the arcade round my way. In fact, it had started to drop off by Super SF2, but it was really noticable by A2. By A3 and SF3 it was in terminal decline. I guess console was a little different.
Originally posted by Master Coco
Basically A3 had already set up the story for SF2, it is set between SF1 and 2, and there really was no need for another one.
Yeah, there's that too... The story was already getting unvaried, rehashed and boring in A3.

Besides, it seems they make their games as trilogies nowadays (SFA, SF3, SFEX).

[Ultima]

What the fuck is this revisionist history?

Okay, let's get the record straight: Capcom said Alpha 3 was their last Alpha game because that's when they decided to end the Alpha series. Do you know when they said this? LONG BEFORE THEY EVEN RELEASED ALPHA 3. They announced this a little after Second Impact was released (circa late 1997). Sales has nothing to do with thei decision. Capcom had made up their minds long before the game was even't out.

Also, Capcom said at the exact same time that 3S (then referred to as Third Impact) would be the last SF3 game.

Richard: re: Trilogy

There are 5 Alpha games. And about 6 EX games.

And Rhio2k is obviously deluded - "They made an ANIME based on Alpha 2 [Note: No they didn't], so it MUST be the best one!" LOL!!!111

[Mummy-B]

Originally posted by Richard


Besides, it seems they make their games as trilogies nowadays (SFA, SF3, SFEX).

Actually, SFEX has really nothing to do with Capcom outside of them endorsing it. Arika had everything to do with it.

[Richard]

Well, Capcom wanted to do a 3D game, but didn't have the tools or experience neccessary, so they commissioned Arika to do it.

And since about 40% of the EX staff are Capcom employees that worked on SF2, SF3 and SFA (including Akiman, Nin, and all the important ones), then yes, it most definately is a Capcom game. Capcom staff individuals also programmed, designed, drew, voiced, produced and directed it. Capcom also published it worldwide, and stuck their logo all over it, and in the European version, Arika aren't even mentioned on the box or manual. So I wouldn't worry about that too much. It's as much a true SF game as anything else.


Ultima- as for them not being trilogies- well, I'd count SFA2G as an enhanced version of SFA2. And SFA3U as just a version of SFA3 with extra features. The same goes for SFEX+a. Maybe you could count them as different games, but I'd say they were the same game. They are certainly less different than SF2WW and ST.

[Rhio2k]

Originally posted by Hollow
A3 is balanced. Take any one of the discs, and place your finger in the middle. It won't topple over to one side or the other. See? Perfectly balanced..

Oh, shit! *slaps forehead and topples over backwards, then proceeds to ROFLMAO*

[Rhio2k]

Originally posted by Ultima

And Rhio2k is obviously deluded - "They made an ANIME based on Alpha 2 [Note: No they didn't], so it MUST be the best one!" LOL!!!111

Yes, they DID. It had Rolento, Zangief, as well as the satsui no hadou storyline. As for Vega being in it...I dunno. It was Alpha 2 with .1% Alpha 3, that's all I can say...now, you'll note I didn't say that the anime was AWESOME, but I enjoyed it. The people who didn't are mostly those bitching cuz Ryu didn't do a full fight scene with Akuma, and really need to stop riding his nuts. And as far as I know, Alpha 2 was/is the greatest and most memorable Alpha game. (alpha 3 ain't shit but sorry stages, lame music, and that V-ism gimmick) :lol:

[Airthrow]

Rhio I really, *really* think you should spend some time playing A3 with some skilled players, and watch some Japanese matches at A-cho and notice the deep technical play and mind games with a whole slew of characters before you decide how bad A3 is.

The gameplay for A3 pretty much EMBODIES everything that makes Streetfighter, Streetfighter.

There is just so much to learn in A3 that you can never truly master it. V-ism isn't a gimmick either.

But yeah, some people care more about graphics, music, backgrounds etc more than I do (personally, I care about those about 10%, the rest is gameplay).

[Rhio2k]

It's not like I place graphics and music ahead of anything...but it didn't "feel" ANYTHING like an Alpha game. And the gameplay is the entire problem I have with it. Gimme Cvs2 and Alpha 2. This game can bite me. Silly-ass air juggle/recovery system...took away the WHOLE SF "feel".

[stubburn]

Originally posted by Richard
Well, Capcom wanted to do a 3D game, but didn't have the tools or experience neccessary, so they commissioned Arika to do it.

And since about 40% of the EX staff are Capcom employees that worked on SF2, SF3 and SFA (including Akiman, Nin, and all the important ones), then yes, it most definately is a Capcom game. Capcom staff individuals also programmed, designed, drew, voiced, produced and directed it. Capcom also published it worldwide, and stuck their logo all over it, and in the European version, Arika aren't even mentioned on the box or manual. So I wouldn't worry about that too much. It's as much a true SF game as anything else.




quoted by TAS in the storyline thread:
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=173&perpage=15&pagenumber=159

What about the SFEX series, isnt that part of the saga?

No, the SFEX series was made by ARIKA (not Capcom) and has its own storyline thats seperate and does not fit with Capcom's SF saga/series/storyline.

ARIKA does have a documented version of their storyline, however it has yet to be pbulished, basicly there is no All About book for the EX series.

What about the EX chars, what happend to them?

ARIKA still owns the rights to their characters, however the characters are technicaly SF chars, but they are SF chars ARIKA owns the rights to, although since the EX chars are technicaly SF chars, they can only be used in a SF game, and since ARIKA dosnt own the rights to make any more SF games they cant use the characters, and since Capcom dosnt have the rights to use ARIKA's chars, they cant use them either, so the chars are stuck in this weird limbo.

And if you think Capcom and ARIKA will come to some agreement about the chars, thats too bad, cause the comapnies dont like one another, and the only reason ARIKA was able to make the EX games was due to a lawsuit they had against Capcom, which was settled outside of court, by Capcom allowing ARIKA to make the EX games



don't know about all that...all i know is that in their own right, the EX stuff wasn't pretty, and had a strange "floatiness" to their controls...still, not the worst fighting game i've ever played...that's still reserved for way of the warrior...man, that was poop.:D

[Richard]

Originally posted by stubburn
No, the SFEX series was made by ARIKA (not Capcom)

Go read the names in the game credits. Many of them are members of Capcom staff. Fuck, the company is named after one of the SF creators!

ARIKA still owns the rights to their characters, however the characters are technicaly SF chars, but they are SF chars ARIKA owns the rights to, although since the EX chars are technicaly SF chars, they can only be used in a SF game

Nope. Allen and Blair have both been used in non-SF games. That's a flawed argument. Arika can use them anywhere they want, and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

And if you think Capcom and ARIKA will come to some agreement about the chars, thats too bad, cause the comapnies dont like one another
Wrong again. Capcom have been publishing Arika games as recently as 2003. You guys have got to stop hating and picking holes in the game. Just because some people are allergic to polygons, that doesn't mean SFEX isn't true SF. It's certainly closer to SF than the Sammy, Marvel and vSNK games!

[Azrael]

Originally posted by Airthrow
The gameplay for A3 pretty much EMBODIES everything that makes Streetfighter, Streetfighter.

There is just so much to learn in A3 that you can never truly master it. V-ism isn't a gimmick either.

Co-sign. I've been playing since 98 and I'm STILL learning shit, and I'm STILL being surprised by stuff (I never knew V-Cammy could be so hard to fight).

When I first played, I was thrown off by the air juggle system and V-ISM and things like that, but you stick with it and it's one of the most solid SF titles ever made. The footsies and the technical game are really deep.

This isn't directed to Rhio or any of the other A3 haters, but it reminded me of hearing "classic" ST players complain about things like the roll in CvS and how it negates the fireball. Yeah, and? Sometimes it feels like people want Capcom to make the same game but with different sprites and backgrounds. If Capcom never changed anything, we'd just be playing the billionth revision of SFII.

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Rhio2k
It's not like I place graphics and music ahead of anything...but it didn't "feel" ANYTHING like an Alpha game. And the gameplay is the entire problem I have with it. Gimme Cvs2 and Alpha 2. This game can bite me. Silly-ass air juggle/recovery system...took away the WHOLE SF "feel".

!? That's a good thing that it didn't feel anything like A1 or A2. They were inferior versions despite their popularity. How many big Japanese tourneys were there for A1 and A2? It's obvious why they weren't long time tourney games. I asked Bas a couple of years ago about it and he agreed(without ANY coersion or knowing my opinion and Omni was right there too:p), A2 was a scrubs game. ANYONE regardless of talent can compete in A1 and A2.

The air recovery system was the best "new" feature in any SF game to date. It gave us the wake-up game in the air and kept the action fast paced without giving any characters ridiculous advantages over others while using it. If you get countered in the air you don't get the luxory of waiting for your character to land and get up so you can think of what to do on the wake-up. If you get hit while in the air, you need to still think fast and keep playing.

A2, like 3s lacks true diversity. Even when the characters are different. In A2, cr. fierce is a great AA for almost the entire cast. When in doubt in poking, use low strong, again, for the majority of the cast. Block delay on the Valle CC? That is the scrubbiest/stupidest technique to be seen at tourneys to this day. Once meters are built, don't walk forward anymore. You can only inch because if they hit the buttons while you're standing, peace out.

I'm just saying, the better players in both the states and Japan see A3 as clearly superior. The only argument is preference. A2 really is a poor man's SF. Take the bs out and the balance is horrible. It actually needs the bs to work.

Don't get me wrong, A1 and A2 were both mad fun but, they aren't serious when put next to A3, imopinion, and those of the best players in the world.

Capcom didn't make A4 because newer games and simplified games sell more. They are about money and not about making the best and most refined game.

A1 brought in a lot of play=scrubby game
A2 brought in some but lost some due to loss of chain combos
A3 brought in a little but lost a lot due to loss of simple bs ccs. It's been admitted to me by many A2 players here that they couldn't play without ccs. Meaning the A2 ccs that evened out any match.

The more serious the series got, the less players it had. Capcom will make a game simple to get ppl playing and then, after building a base of business, they refine the game and make it more serious. BUT as it they do make it more serious, they lose players and end up starting over.

Let's look at other series and see if this holds true.

CvS1=muuuuuuch more scrubby and simple with far less features. Attracts hungry fighters and noobs.
CvS2=rolls are weakened and the whole engine is more complicated. Again, simple move on to more complicated.

3:NG=Very abstract form of 3 to allow players to get into it.
2i:more complicated version with more engine refinements.
3s:more added features and refining of the parry system and look!!! What happened? All the players were lost. Oh, that is up until the Japanese came and encouraged us to play. Still, it follows the same pattern.

Now we get Fighting Jam. This game will be simple and stupid in plenty of ways to allow more ppl to compete and then they will refine the game while getting more appreciation from great players and losing many of the average players that loved the previous version.

Last but not least:

sf2:ww=great for its' time but stupid overall.
CE:refined the dizzy system making fights a bit harder while adding the bosses.
HF:sped up engine, refined balance. Most well rounded of the series. Loses players due to increased speed and being a much harder game to compete in.(less scrubby=losing players)
Super:slow down the game like molasses, destroy the dizzy system and add newer characters while harming the balance entirely but give it a fresh look. Temporarily fans were excited but hardcore players scoffed and the scene was almost dead. Capcom learned that going from dumb to smart and then back to dumb again loses ALL of the players. Going dumb to smart only loses the scrubs.
ST:Sped back up and added supers along with a stupid boss character to allow scrubs to compete. Too little too late. Ppl said the game had become to complicated and it was time for something new. SF was dead. Despite what you may think today, ST bombed when it came out. It wasn't revived until A1 and A2 brought back a lot of players by simplifying SF. It was stated by capcom that they intentionally made a1 simple because SF had gotten too complicated by the time ST came out and no one would play it.

The tighter the game, the less ppl play. The scrubbier the game, the more ppl play. It's a business issue. But it follows suit through all of capcom's SF games.

For those who preferred the prior games, this may be a hard pill to swallow but it's all true.

Hey, I preferred 2i to 3s and still think the game is more fun(aside from stupid bs like Akuma) but I'm not going to act like 3s isn't more refined and in the end, a better game overall even if I preferred 2i. Gotta be honest with oneself.

Last, but not least, if you aren't dope at A3, you probably don't know what's good about it. Seriously, I've never met an average A3 player that knows what they're talking about when it comes to A3. That means that 80% of all that played A3 didn't fully understand it. Still, I see ppl talking about it as if they understand how it really works and is played. I played it for a long time until I fully "got" it. And I was winning.

I maintain that A3 is the last, great, fully rounded SF. I haven't seen a game since that doesn't get boring once meter is built. A3 starts with meter as is action from beginning to end. Calculations are rapid, not random and guessing is far less beneficial.

Capcom isn't making an SFA4 because if they were to refine A3 even more, very few would play it. Unless of course dumbed it down like they did from HF to Super...wait, that lost the scrubs and the hardcore. Yep, that's exactly why they don't make it, imo.

I think the 3 series could survive one more upgrade but the cps3 is dead:(

Apoc.

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Richard

Wrong again. Capcom have been publishing Arika games as recently as 2003. You guys have got to stop hating and picking holes in the game. Just because some people are allergic to polygons, that doesn't mean SFEX isn't true SF. It's certainly closer to SF than the Sammy, Marvel and vSNK games!

Not to be mean. But polygons do mean it isn't true sf. Play SFex2p and do a blocked string. As long as you keep attacking, the opponent remains in blockstun. There are no instant frame moves in polygons. So Dps act totally different. You can't interrupt a mistimed link since everything links until they are pushed away to begin with. It became attack till push away, repeat. Combo when something lands. On every other SF game everything does not link to keep ppl in blockstun and can be interrupted by instant frame moves. It turns it into the way poor players played SF2.

Don't get me wrong, I liked SFex1pa. The expert mode was tight and the game was fun. I didn't own a ps1 until it came out.

Correct me if things have changed or if I am wrong here.

I'd take SFexPA over any of Capcom's 3d fighters so far.

Still, tournament players don't consider the EX series to be true SF or else you would see EX represented at serious tourneys.

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Zakuta
LOL to A3's balance.

Care to elaborate? Apparently not. You can laugh but you're not making sense. How is A3 not balanced or less balanced in your view?

A3's balance is incredible. There's no universal balancing feature to achieve this either(parries). It's actually truly balanced in many ways.

I'd love to debate this with you. Especially if you're going to act like ya know without saying anything of merit. Hook it up. It's one thing to not like A3. It's another to act as if it isn't balanced without explaining yourself.

It seems to me that you don't like A3 and want to badmouth it but...you really can't, heheh.

Apoc.

[Richard]

I agree with a lot of this, but-
Originally posted by Apoc
A1 and A2 were both mad fun but, they aren't serious when put next to A3, imopinion, and those of the best players in the world
That's the problem. Most people aren't the best in the world. Even most people on this site aren't the best in the world. A game has to be playable to those that aren't in the select few. Sorry, but experts don't count. Most people couldn't care less about a small group of elitist tourney winners- they just want a fun game (I'm including non-scrubs here).

Being deep is an advantage, but at the end of the day even the hardcore play to have fun, and not to memorize a big sheet of properties such as what juggles what, and whether move X can be blocked at a certain distance or whatever. (See also the thread about "too many fancy extras")

I'd say there wasn't much to choose between A2 and A3 in terms of quality. You might even say A3 was an overdeveloped mishmash with badly-thought-out controls. Sure, I still love the game, but that's the way it is.

[RaJu_]

ya ya ya , a3 is good.

erm, Richard: check your pm

[Ultima]

Yeesh. Apoc should rename his tagline to "Defender of A3". Almost every time someone says something bad about it, he goes of into another 908128901290812 tirade defending it. :lol:

Don't worry 'Poc, I agree with nearly everything you say. A3's definitely the last really good SF game IMO, espite the flaws, and is perhaps my favorite SF aside from HF. but I don't think these particular rants were necessary. It's just Rhio2K and some other random schmoes, after all.. Not worth the effort...

One thing though: "No universal balancing features"? I thought that's what V-ISM was for? :p

Rhio2K:

The only thing the alpha anime took from A2 was its cast, and it was done very loosely since a lot of the cast show up for, what, 10 seconds? Where's the most important character in the A2 storyline, M.Bison? What the fuck was the little kid doing taking up so much screen time? And Alpha 2, storywise, wasn't about Ryu and his murderous intent (that was a side issue) - it was about M.Bison looking for Ryu hoping to brainwash him, as well as a number of other warriors out to get Bison. They took out the central part to Alpha 2 and replaced it with something totally different. That's why, aside from a few elements, the alpha anime isn't really "based" on SFA2 in the way that the SF2 anme was based on SSF2. It uses some the cast, but also has other characters (VEga, stupid doctor and improved minotor cyborg), so it only resembles A2 in passing.

Richard:

AFAIK Blair and Allen have been used a grand total of once outside of EX1. I think Skullo has also been used once or twice in the past. But that was years ago. Hardly a great use f their own resources there.

While I don't know if any of what he says is 100% true, what TAS said about he relationship between Capcom and Arika makes sense (I certainly hope it is, cause it means I'll never have to see those EX losers or another EX game again in life). Also, concerning that info, I believe he asked Capom employees about that himself. What sources do you have?

Also, what game in 2003 of Arika's did Capcom publish?

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Richard
I agree with a lot of this, but-

That's the problem. Most people aren't the best in the world. Even most people on this site aren't the best in the world. A game has to be playable to those that aren't in the select few. Sorry, but experts don't count. Most people couldn't care less about a small group of elitist tourney winners- they just want a fun game (I'm including non-scrubs here).

Being deep is an advantage, but at the end of the day even the hardcore play to have fun, and not to memorize a big sheet of properties such as what juggles what, and whether move X can be blocked at a certain distance or whatever. (See also the thread about "too many fancy extras")

I'd say there wasn't much to choose between A2 and A3 in terms of quality. You might even say A3 was an overdeveloped mishmash with badly-thought-out controls. Sure, I still love the game, but that's the way it is.

That's what I was saying. Capcom makes games for everyone to play. Not the best. That's why there won't be an A4. If the game actually gets better, no one will play it. It kinda has to suck a little, heheh.

I'm one that thinks too much crap can make a game random but A3 packed a lot of crap and somehow didn't ruin the game. The more new features you have, the more chance you have of missing a glitch or messing up the balance, etc. That's why it's so well made. It was the biggest change in any sf to that date with things never before seen in SF and it didn't screw it up. In the previous Alphas, each new feature dominated the game. The tourney winning characters kept changing. Well-developed, not overdeveloped.

Good shiet:)

[Richard]

Originally posted by Ultima
AFAIK Blair and Allen have been used a grand total of once outside of EX1. I think Skullo has also been used once or twice in the past. But that was years ago. Hardly a great use f their own resources there

I could say the same thing about Blanka not appearing outside of SF. Regardless, this negates any arguments about legal rights. The bottom line is that any of the EX characters can be used as Arika sees fit.

what TAS said about he relationship between Capcom and Arika makes sense. Also, concerning that info, I believe he asked Capom employees about that himself. What sources do you have?

I wasn't aware I'd said anything that needed a source. All the staff names are listed onscreen in the end sequences on vgmuseum.com , so it's easy to verify that lots of the SFEX staff worked for Capcom on SF2, SF3 and SFA.

I guess some of the people TAS spoke to got a little confused. After all, a sketch artist isn't expected to know about all the legal goings on with all the characters of the parent company, are they?

Also, what game in 2003 of Arika's did Capcom publish?
Megaman Transmission (GC) from last summer, as well as Everblue 2 (PS2).

[Decoy]

Originally posted by Apoc


Care to elaborate? Apparently not. You can laugh but you're not making sense. How is A3 not balanced or less balanced in your view?

A3's balance is incredible. There's no universal balancing feature to achieve this either(parries). It's actually truly balanced in many ways.

I'd love to debate this with you. Especially if you're going to act like ya know without saying anything of merit. Hook it up. It's one thing to not like A3. It's another to act as if it isn't balanced without explaining yourself.

It seems to me that you don't like A3 and want to badmouth it but...you really can't, heheh.

Apoc.

Apoc, I won't even pretend to know all of the nuances of A3 but one thing I do know is that my main character Blanka was hung out to dry. Ever try doing a CF right next to your opponent and whiff? WTF? And that shit was random too cause other times it would connect. I simply could not compete with players because Blanka would just get owned by the screwy hit detection. Had to switch to Chun in that game. What a diffference that made!

Question to you... How screwed up was the hit detection in that game cause whiffing a CF right to someone was just plain stupid.

~Decoy

[Nando]

WAIT!!!


is alpha is set between sf1 and 2....how did Sagot go from a really buff guy, to really skinny?

[Baltimore Chun]

Originally posted by Nando
WAIT!!!


is alpha is set between sf1 and 2....how did Sagot go from a really buff guy, to really skinny? Crack and weed the combination made his eye bleed. No but seriously he was on that shit and then in cvs he started getting help. By cvs2 you can see he is fully recovered. Sagat says "say nope to dope" :lol:


peace
James

[Zakuta]

Originally posted by Apoc


Care to elaborate? Apparently not. You can laugh but you're not making sense. How is A3 not balanced or less balanced in your view?

A3's balance is incredible. There's no universal balancing feature to achieve this either(parries). It's actually truly balanced in many ways.

I'd love to debate this with you. Especially if you're going to act like ya know without saying anything of merit. Hook it up. It's one thing to not like A3. It's another to act as if it isn't balanced without explaining yourself.

It seems to me that you don't like A3 and want to badmouth it but...you really can't, heheh.

Apoc.

A3's balance is incredible. Yeah; sure.

If you know me like the UK players know me, they know I like A3. I play it from time to time and never complain about what happens in the game (beisdes some odd V-ISM BS hehe ;)). I use X-Chun myself; and others tell me to use A-Chun because she's better - but I couldn't give two shits, I play the game withe the character and mode I want. I'm currently learning how to use V-Karin now, so I think it's safe to say that you are wrong about me not liking A3.

I'm just gonna say a couple of things, seen as it's pretty clear what happens in most A3 events.

The main ISM is V ISM. IMO, if you can't use this ISM, you're fucked! Use any character you like, perfect execution of V ISM will get you owned. V-ISM players aren't gonna play around. This takes away from its balance in one point. Most players use V. And i'm sure X doesn't get used against V much (unless you're very good at the game and can handle it - I use X anyway, so it doesn't matter) and A is standard. But why use A when you can use V (some A ISM characters are good though, but - again, V is better).

Characters. I think it's safe to say only GGXX and maybe ST has people use all the characters in the rostar. Everyones got something to shout about in those games. A3 however, it's usually the same selection of characters and the same ISM. Not taking it away from the players or anything, but everyone uses the same characters because of the simple fact they want to win. It only is 'balanced' with the top characters. At Abs there was V-Ryus, V-Giefs and V-Gouki's - and I think one A-Gouki that got a win or two I think. He's from the UK. This was when the UK played Japan at A3. No X-Fei Longs? WHAT IS THIS!1 =P

Anyway, I like A3; but I also tend to nitpick on certain aspects (I do that with all games, so it's all good). I don't think the game is balanced (IMO), thanks to superior character and ISM choice.

Maybe in the US it's more of a balanced game, but elsewhere it isn't. =p

[hadoken king]

i didn' t like alpha 3 nearly as much as alpha 2. A3 was a great game, but the fact that everyone just used V - Ism, and the fact that ken, my fave shoto basically sucked balls, all pissed me off. A2, IMO was a very well setup balanced fighter... probably capcom's last really well balanced fighter... Super Turbo is probably the MOST balanced of capcom's fighters...

[Ubersaurus]

Originally posted by hadoken king
i didn' t like alpha 3 nearly as much as alpha 2. A3 was a great game, but the fact that everyone just used V - Ism, and the fact that ken, my fave shoto basically sucked balls, all pissed me off. A2, IMO was a very well setup balanced fighter... probably capcom's last really well balanced fighter... Super Turbo is probably the MOST balanced of capcom's fighters...

Uh, Akuma? :confused:

Hyper Fighting was the most balanced of capcom's fighters. V ism was pretty good in A3, but look at it this way-every character had something to work with in at least one Ism, and their best wasn't always Vism (Sim, Guy come to mind).

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by Ubersaurus


Uh, Akuma? :confused:

Hyper Fighting was the most balanced of capcom's fighters. V ism was pretty good in A3, but look at it this way-every character had something to work with in at least one Ism, and their best wasn't always Vism (Sim, Guy come to mind).

aside from tournament banned characters

the thing about V-Ism, is that the whole crouch cancelling thing... alot of NY players use cody and ryu... the V ism whores....

i still prefer alpha 2 to alpha 3 though

[Muskau]

I dunno why people are saying A3 is not a scrubs game, since most of the shotos at average level play are really good, with high priority and easy-to-use which the scrubs love. Everyone and their dog knows how to play Alpha 3, I don't think anyone in my arcade has not played A3 at one stage.

Sure it's difficult to play at the top level, but most beginners just have their shoto A-ism fights for hours.

[grayfox_sc]

Originally posted by Zakuta


A3's balance is incredible. Yeah; sure.

If you know me like the UK players know me, they know I like A3. I play it from time to time and never complain about what happens in the game (beisdes some odd V-ISM BS hehe ;)). I use X-Chun myself; and others tell me to use A-Chun because she's better - but I couldn't give two shits, I play the game withe the character and mode I want. I'm currently learning how to use V-Karin now, so I think it's safe to say that you are wrong about me not liking A3.

I'm just gonna say a couple of things, seen as it's pretty clear what happens in most A3 events.

The main ISM is V ISM. IMO, if you can't use this ISM, you're fucked! Use any character you like, perfect execution of V ISM will get you owned. V-ISM players aren't gonna play around. This takes away from its balance in one point. Most players use V. And i'm sure X doesn't get used against V much (unless you're very good at the game and can handle it - I use X anyway, so it doesn't matter) and A is standard. But why use A when you can use V (some A ISM characters are good though, but - again, V is better).

Characters. I think it's safe to say only GGXX and maybe ST has people use all the characters in the rostar. Everyones got something to shout about in those games. A3 however, it's usually the same selection of characters and the same ISM. Not taking it away from the players or anything, but everyone uses the same characters because of the simple fact they want to win. It only is 'balanced' with the top characters. At Abs there was V-Ryus, V-Giefs and V-Gouki's - and I think one A-Gouki that got a win or two I think. He's from the UK. This was when the UK played Japan at A3. No X-Fei Longs? WHAT IS THIS!1 =P

Anyway, I like A3; but I also tend to nitpick on certain aspects (I do that with all games, so it's all good). I don't think the game is balanced (IMO), thanks to superior character and ISM choice.

Maybe in the US it's more of a balanced game, but elsewhere it isn't. =p

complete rubbish

During the ranking battles 14 month run the only person to win a tournament using a V character was Middlekik (V-birdie, V-chun-li and V-cody), all other champions were A-ism players. with the execption of Gary once using V-rolento. And it can still be argued that Middlekik used more A-ism characters than V-ism.

I'm posting on SRK sky must be falling and shit, I think your points about character selection in this A3 are completely unfounded, during 2001 - 2002 when 14 ranking battles were held in london. The character selection was incredibily vast and diverse. V-Birdie, X-ryu, A-sodom, V-rolento etc were all in regular use. You know nothing about A3 and are just new on the scene (your from the gaming hotspot of shinjuku / Luton right?) so you shouldn't go making sweeping statements about a scene you know nothing about, and using a sub standard tournament as justification for your baseless remarks is no proof of your points.

I've been playing A3 since 98 along with many of the other London players and can testify that this game is regarded as the last solid Sf out there. Yeah I hear people complian about about V-ism and infinites and such but they are normally the same people that would complain because they were hit by a combo.

Tbh I'm dead sick of the "scene" as it is and while I still play I try to stay well away from all the balance discussion / properganda that I tend to see on my travels.

You don't know A3 you don't know the London scene, so don't talk about it, if you ask me A3 in this city died with the last Ranking battle, and so did tournament integrity, wonder why certain players were not at absolution?

Oh and BTW I'm not stating opinion I'm stating fact you can't argue my points as they are always right and I outrank you.

[dookeh]

Originally posted by grayfox_sc


complete rubbish

During the ranking battles 14 month run the only person to win a tournament using a V character was Middlekik (V-birdie, V-chun-li and V-cody), all other champions were A-ism players. with the execption of Gary once using V-rolento. And it can still be argued that Middlekik used more A-ism characters than V-ism.

I'm posting on SRK sky must be falling and shit, I think your points about character selection in this A3 are completely unfounded, during 2001 - 2002 when 14 ranking battles were held in london. The character selection was incredibily vast and diverse. V-Birdie, X-ryu, A-sodom, V-rolento etc were all in regular use. You know nothing about A3 and are just new on the scene (your from the gaming hotspot of shinjuku / Luton right?) so you shouldn't go making sweeping statements about a scene you know nothing about, and using a sub standard tournament as justification for your baseless remarks is no proof of your points.

I've been playing A3 since 98 along with many of the other London players and can testify that this game is regarded as the last solid Sf out there. Yeah I hear people complian about about V-ism and infinites and such but they are normally the same people that would complain because they were hit by a combo.

Tbh I'm dead sick of the "scene" as it is and while I still play I try to stay well away from all the balance discussion / properganda that I tend to see on my travels.

You don't know A3 you don't know the London scene, so don't talk about it, if you ask me A3 in this city died with the last Ranking battle, and so did tournament integrity, wonder why certain players were not at absolution?

Oh and BTW I'm not stating opinion I'm stating fact you can't argue my points as they are always right and I outrank you.

im with this guy :)

alpha 3 is my favorite fighting game. and i take pride in beating great players with their perfect v-ism's with my a-ism.
i use a-rose, a-karin, a-cammy, a-charlie, a-sagat, and a-ryu.
i have also beaten some of the best v-sakura, v-gief, v-gen, and v-akuma with most of em.

[bushin187]

Originally posted by hadoken king
i didn' t like alpha 3 nearly as much as alpha 2. A3 was a great game, but the fact that everyone just used V - Ism, and the fact that ken, my fave shoto basically sucked balls, all pissed me off. A2, IMO was a very well setup balanced fighter... probably capcom's last really well balanced fighter... Super Turbo is probably the MOST balanced of capcom's fighters...

ken does not suck :confused:

he can fight against gief dhalsim really well . Maybe you just want ken to be top tier like in A2. I heard all you have to do with him was AC all day anyways I have never played a2 seriously so I can't really say anything about that game but some of the stuff people say about a3 is bullshit.

hadoken king ken may not be the best character but don't be a pussy see it as a challenge. So what if everyone uses v-ism does that mean that you have to do the same

list of chars frequenty used in a3 tourneys

ryu
ken
akuma
sakura
sodom
dhalsim
gief
karin
vega
gen
guy
cody
charlie
chun
sagat


if a char is not listed in this list it doesn't mean he sucks
examples Apoc getting some good results with balrog ,Ehonda beating v-sak at a-cho

[Richard]

^ I'd love to see some Gen videos... And do you really mean "frequenty" with those Final Fight chars?

Originally posted by grayfox_sc
you can't argue my points as they are always right and I outrank you.
You didn't make any friends with that statement.

[hadoken king]

Originally posted by bushin187

snip

yeh, ok, u got some points... thing is though... i'm not as devoted to street fighter as i am to mvc2, vampire savior, or ggxx. and the comp for a game as old as alpha 3 is either really really good, or really really bad. it's hard to have people in the middle anymore. the really really good players... double perfect me. the really really bad players... have a mid tier combo exhibition thrown on them. i also don't live anywhere near to any street fighter players. so it's boring trying to learn things on my own... alpha 2 was popular when i was still living in NYC, so i got the hang of it around good players. alpha 3 is just too much for me to learn quickly enough to get good and chill with good players. i'm just too lazy to learn an entirely new game that's fairly old, and sorta... dying

[Zakuta]

Originally posted by grayfox_sc

complete rubbish

During the ranking battles 14 month run the only person to win a tournament using a V character was Middlekik (V-birdie, V-chun-li and V-cody), all other champions were A-ism players. with the execption of Gary once using V-rolento. And it can still be argued that Middlekik used more A-ism characters than V-ism.


Yeah, doesn't make the game balanced though (where's the Fei Long? T-Hawk! Vega? Juli!). As I said, superior ISM and character choice. If the game was balanced people could pick any charater and any ism to win. Oh yeah; you didn't mention any X players, so I suppose that makes the game about a 1/3 less balanced than it already is.

I'm posting on SRK sky must be falling and shit, I think your points about character selection in this A3 are completely unfounded, during 2001 - 2002 when 14 ranking battles were held in london. The character selection was incredibily vast and diverse. V-Birdie, X-ryu, A-sodom, V-rolento etc were all in regular use. You know nothing about A3 and are just new on the scene (your from the gaming hotspot of shinjuku / Luton right?) so you shouldn't go making sweeping statements about a scene you know nothing about, and using a sub standard tournament as justification for your baseless remarks is no proof of your points.

2001-2 was 2-3 years ago. Much like MvC2 in the states, things change. As far as I know, only a select few in London actually use V ISM. And when they do, it's the same regular characters (notably Gouki, Sakura and Ryu). And i'm guessing X-Ryu was Chef :) seen as he's all classic with his characters. But when I see him play these days he uses V-Ryu. probably because he's stronger. And I think so. And me being new on the scene (haha) has nothing to do with it. If I had played as hard as the next A3 player I would be a challenge to anyone there in less time. And you know that A3 isn't my main game. Besides, I ain't winning no tournaments with X Chun; LETS SWITCH TO A! YAYAYAYA~~~~!


I've been playing A3 since 98

HERES A COOKIE.

along with many of the other London players and can testify that this game is regarded as the last solid Sf out there.

The way I see it, that's just you not learning to play anything else. I doesn't matter if I don't play the games I play too well, at least I can play a vast majority of the games available and have knowledge of them.

Yeah I hear people complian about about V-ism and infinites and such but they are normally the same people that would complain because they were hit by a combo.

It's easy to complain about V ISM. It's too good. Even you have to admit that. You get put into a situation where you have to know when the attacks are going to hit, and seen as its V, the commands cancel quicker than usual. So Ryu has 50% left of his V Bar. of course I can AC if I meet the demands, but still, that last 50% does in your bar good. People can accept getting hit by a standard combo but when it comes to too good system (V), there's nothing much you can do, is there (hell, custom combos are top tier period)?

Tbh I'm dead sick of the "scene" as it is and while I still play I try to stay well away from all the balance discussion / properganda that I tend to see on my travels.

It's only the people who REEEEEEEALLLY love thier game who debate about the balance of the game. All I said was LOL to A3's balance, and look what happened? lol, if you were smart you would have just laughed at the post and allowed it. Noo, you just had to drag it even further, didn't ya? :)

You don't know A3 you don't know the London scene, so don't talk about it, if you ask me A3 in this city died with the last Ranking battle, and so did tournament integrity, wonder why certain players were not at absolution?

Yeah, I don't know the London scene but ive been making more regular appearances in London than the Londoners themselves - good job. :rolleyes:

In fact i'm also the one that actually encourages people to play XX in London. This is what you should be doing with A3. It's dead because you let it die. It's that simple, don't just give up on these things, if you want to liven the scene up again, make more ranking battles. Have regular tournaments. £2 per head or whatever; it's up to you. I plan on trying to start XX events when I get myself sorted out. The scene for that may be small, but at least i'm trying to get more people to play the game rather than sit idly by and just moan about how dead the scene is.

I may as well point out [most] Londoners don't like to travel. If you know me like anyone else does, you'd know i'd like to travel. Hell, I come to London as often as I can. I even go out of my way to go to tournaments outside the UK. I'm gonna be playing more XX #r, so why not go to France and play there. I used to go to ShinJin's house every 2 weeks to play SC2, I attended 3s RBs, i've attended TTT tournaments that pop up last minute and meet players from pretty much every scene in London, seen as I pretty much play every game in London (though now concentrating more on the #r side of things). Anyway, point is, when the 1st abs was in Luton, select London players didn't want to come because it was 'too far' (yeah right, Birmingham isn't far - no, its only roughly 150 miles from London. Luton is 32), but when next tournaments pop up in London it's still too far or 'inconvienient'. wtf!

Oh and BTW I'm not stating opinion I'm stating fact you can't argue my points as they are always right and I outrank you.

That sounds very childish. A vein must have popped after you read my last post!

[EDIT-Yeah, couple characters aren't in arcade A3 - but who gives a shit! They still wouldn't be used at high level anyway (Well, Chikyuu might use em. He's a badman. :D]

[Onny]

You don't know A3 you don't know the London scene, so don't talk about it, if you ask me A3 in this city died with the last Ranking battle, and so did tournament integrity, wonder why certain players were not at absolution?
hmm gotta side with Zak on this one i'm afraid ant; you've not been active in the london "scene" for about 18 months now, and as such Zakuta is in a far better place to judge it's relative merits than you are. sorry mate.
:(

and as for "tournament integrity" dying at the last a3 RB, well that's pretty rude man considering the effort that Hon put into getting the london 3s scene going. and it's rude to me too, seeing as i helped with a lot of RBs.
:(

[RaJu_]

Originally posted by Onny
and as for "tournament integrity" dying at the last a3 RB, well that's pretty rude man considering the effort that Hon put into getting the london 3s scene going. and it's rude to me too, seeing as i helped with a lot of RBs.
:(

tis true, Hon, Onny and Arma worked very hard to get the 3s scene going.

[Ubersaurus]

Originally posted by hadoken king


aside from tournament banned characters

the thing about V-Ism, is that the whole crouch cancelling thing... alot of NY players use cody and ryu... the V ism whores....

i still prefer alpha 2 to alpha 3 though

Only a couple characters have infinites, and only like 1 is top tier anyway.

Aside from tournament banned characters? HF doesn't HAVE any tourney banned characters, so it's better balanced. Hell it's better balanced then ST even without akuma.

[grayfox_sc]

Originally posted by Zakuta


Yeah, doesn't make the game balanced though (where's the Fei Long? T-Hawk! Vega? Juli!). As I said, superior ISM and character choice. If the game was balanced people could pick any charater and any ism to win. Oh yeah; you didn't mention any X players, so I suppose that makes the game about a 1/3 less balanced than it already is.



What are you on about T-hawk, and fei long are not even in the arcade version only in upper, you want balance on characters that don't exsist? wa gwan? or r u talking about teh home version being unbalanced, because if you are I'll say it for you the home versions are un playable. And how can u say a game is unbalanced when u can barely play and know nothing about it. All you go on is what you hear on the internet and what the japanese are doing on the game.


Originally posted by Zakuta

2001-2 was 2-3 years ago. Much like MvC2 in the states, things change. As far as I know, only a select few in London actually use V ISM. And when they do, it's the same regular characters (notably Gouki, Sakura and Ryu). And i'm guessing X-Ryu was Chef :) seen as he's all classic with his characters. But when I see him play these days he uses V-Ryu. probably because he's stronger. And I think so. And me being new on the scene (haha) has nothing to do with it. If I had played as hard as the next A3 player I would be a challenge to anyone there in less time. And you know that A3 isn't my main game. Besides, I ain't winning no tournaments with X Chun; LETS SWITCH TO A! YAYAYAYA~~~~!



Tell me how A3 has moved on I'd love to know, I mean specifically say what has changed and when, and how. Do you know I mean really know through playing? or 'am I gonna get more #cornertrap internet dogma about this and that. play the game don't talk about it. if you actually come out and show what you know then I'll stand back nod and say OK at least he's playing and that what its about.
Rehan won a ranking battle in feb 2002 with x -ryu, he has won nothing with V-ryu.


Originally posted by Zakuta

HERES A COOKIE.



wa gwan?


Originally posted by Zakuta
The way I see it, that's just you not learning to play anything else. I doesn't matter if I don't play the games I play too well, at least I can play a vast majority of the games available and have knowledge of them.
[/B]

huh? I don't get that what has that got to do with anything, I play CVS2, SVC, KOF2002. Just not online talking about what I play, cause I actually play and not sit around talking about playing.


Originally posted by Zakuta
It's easy to complain about V ISM. It's too good. Even you have to admit that. You get put into a situation where you have to know when the attacks are going to hit, and seen as its V, the commands cancel quicker than usual. So Ryu has 50% left of his V Bar. of course I can AC if I meet the demands, but still, that last 50% does in your bar good. People can accept getting hit by a standard combo but when it comes to too good system (V), there's nothing much you can do, is there (hell, custom combos are top tier period)?
[/B]

I just don't understand that paragraph at all, ur gonna need to explain that to me in person


Originally posted by Zakuta
It's only the people who REEEEEEEALLLY love thier game who debate about the balance of the game. All I said was LOL to A3's balance, and look what happened? lol, if you were smart you would have just laughed at the post and allowed it. Noo, you just had to drag it even further, didn't ya? :)
[/B]


seriously man how old are you? this paragraph must be you having a joke at me and if it is "ha" if not then "well" but either way I think this discussion is not really going to work out cause we're from way different wavelengths

Originally posted by Zakuta
Yeah, I don't know the London scene but ive been making more regular appearances in London than the Londoners themselves - good job. :rolleyes:

In fact i'm also the one that actually encourages people to play XX in London. This is what you should be doing with A3. It's dead because you let it die. It's that simple, don't just give up on these things, if you want to liven the scene up again, make more ranking battles. Have regular tournaments. £2 per head or whatever; it's up to you. I plan on trying to start XX events when I get myself sorted out. The scene for that may be small, but at least i'm trying to get more people to play the game rather than sit idly by and just moan about how dead the scene is.

I may as well point out [most] Londoners don't like to travel. If you know me like anyone else does, you'd know i'd like to travel. Hell, I come to London as often as I can. I even go out of my way to go to tournaments outside the UK. I'm gonna be playing more XX #r, so why not go to France and play there. I used to go to ShinJin's house every 2 weeks to play SC2, I attended 3s RBs, i've attended TTT tournaments that pop up last minute and meet players from pretty much every scene in London, seen as I pretty much play every game in London (though now concentrating more on the #r side of things). Anyway, point is, when the 1st abs was in Luton, select London players didn't want to come because it was 'too far' (yeah right, Birmingham isn't far - no, its only roughly 150 miles from London. Luton is 32), but when next tournaments pop up in London it's still too far or 'inconvienient'. wtf![/B]

encourages how? you sit at home on ur pc and type "PLAY XX Baiken is cool" well then let me encourage peace in out time "PEACE" or an end to poverty "DOWN WITH WHITTY" ah encouragement is kinda easy these days. I haven't seen you do anything XX related I mean get up and get out there and do something. And NO ABS wasn't that at all ABS did more to kill all games scenes in this place then anything even derek has mustered to do. (ah derek was on levels now I think about it)


Originally posted by Zakuta
That sounds very childish. A vein must have popped after you read my last post! [/B]


look at the profile thats the rank take it as a poke, you propbably just didn't see.

You think A3 is unbalanced, I think is A3, that is that your not going to change your mind and thats that. No good can come from anymore talk. Play your games, enjoy your games.

[grayfox_sc]

Originally posted by Onny
hmm gotta side with Zak on this one i'm afraid ant; you've not been active in the london "scene" for about 18 months now, and as such Zakuta is in a far better place to judge it's relative merits than you are. sorry mate.
:(

and as for "tournament integrity" dying at the last a3 RB, well that's pretty rude man considering the effort that Hon put into getting the london 3s scene going. and it's rude to me too, seeing as i helped with a lot of RBs.
:(


ah sorry I didn't mean 3s Rb's they were more or less solid tournaments, there was not meant to be a dig at you in any way. You been in my house and are thus solid.

And about zak knowing the merits of the scene again I'm not gonna get into it, but just seems to me he goes against all forms of logic nearly all the time, I just sometimes read his posts sit back and think "but how"

but! 3s was solid as always I got no hassle with what was done there. So take that as a misstake for leaving that out.

shit I still got ur comics too, ah man I'm a teef

blood fire

[Onny]

Originally posted by grayfox_sc
shit I still got ur comics too, ah man I'm a teefhahah and my Castlevania for psx :)

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Decoy


Apoc, I won't even pretend to know all of the nuances of A3 but one thing I do know is that my main character Blanka was hung out to dry. Ever try doing a CF right next to your opponent and whiff? WTF? And that shit was random too cause other times it would connect. I simply could not compete with players because Blanka would just get owned by the screwy hit detection. Had to switch to Chun in that game. What a diffference that made!

Question to you... How screwed up was the hit detection in that game cause whiffing a CF right to someone was just plain stupid.

~Decoy

There are hit detection issues in every game. Even old school games and newer games. I like how Blanka can slap you out of the air with jump up fierce when you're completely behind him, lol. You wouldn't want to complain there, of course.

I'd look at that hit detection like Sim. How often to Sim's long pokes hit you when you're close? They don't the arm goes past you as if you're invisible. That fierce is a long ranged move and hits like Sim's moves, at the end and not the middle.

Blanka sucks compared to CvS2 but he can compete. I've played him now and then and I get my wins in. In Vism, he's pretty good but requires great accuracy.

I prefer a simple character to be skillful in order to be good. Blanka is good at simplistic levels in CvS2. Not that I'm beyond using characters I can be lazy with myself:)

Initially, the hit detection really bothered me. Everything hit on the alphas. It took some getting used to, I can admit that. I'm glad I played through that issue.

Apoc.

[grayfox_sc]

Originally posted by Onny
hahah and my Castlevania for psx :)


ah I'm a ras yeah I'll give you all ur tings back and throw in some stuff as well for payment. I saw firefly too bad bad bad joss did bad on that one bad bad bad.

[Zakuta]

Ignoring what I post again. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by grayfox_sc
What are you on about T-hawk, and fei long are not even in the arcade version only in upper, you want balance on characters that don't exsist? wa gwan? or r u talking about teh home version being unbalanced, because if you are I'll say it for you the home versions are un playable. And how can u say a game is unbalanced when u can barely play and know nothing about it. All you go on is what you hear on the internet and what the japanese are doing on the game.

How long do I spend in the arcade playing the games I like to play...A LONG TIME. And what do I do on my Laptop? Download vids, work on my artwork, colour, chat and research. I don't even talk about the characters I play unless someone wants some information. And yeah, whats wrong with knowing what the Japanese are doing on the game? It's called monitoring the progress of other competition. You need to keep an eye on your opponent otherwise you're gonna be left behind. That's how you grow and learn. If you're ignorant to everything around you you're just gonna end up an ignorant player and not improve past a certain point.

And as for knowing about A3, I know my fare share about the game. Like I said before, I have knowledge in the games I play. They may be aspects I miss, but it's knowledge none the less. And from what I see from A3, I don't think i'm missing a great deal.

(minor thing, you must have missed the (imo) at the end of my last post. Why should I respect your opinion if you don't respect mine, eh?)


Tell me how A3 has moved on I'd love to know, I mean specifically say what has changed and when, and how. Do you know I mean really know through playing? or 'am I gonna get more #cornertrap internet dogma about this and that. play the game don't talk about it. if you actually come out and show what you know then I'll stand back nod and say OK at least he's playing and that what its about.
Rehan won a ranking battle in feb 2002 with x -ryu, he has won nothing with V-ryu.

A3 hasn't moves much since the last RB. Why? The players gave up on it. That's why. Not taking away from their ability, but the players themselves seemed to lose interest in competing 'properly' ever since that RB (of which, SirC came bottom, if i remember correctly. :p).

People in Troc play A3, it gets played pretty regularly on the Fridays when I come down to play XX with the regular players for a while. Lots of A ISM going around (and i'm just gonna assume these players can't use V. And they probably don't want to either - i'm just gonna say the game is 'balanced' for the select players that play there, other than that, no). Same top characters being used besides say - Dan.

And how can Chef win with V-Ryu in a non existent tournament, you tell me. :) You saying he could have won abs w/ X-Ryu? Chef plays good Ryu action. But IMO, his V-Ryu is better.

You're not exactly encouraging me to play the game more you know. I play GGXX more than anything else. EVERYONE that knows me knows that I put more time and effort into XX than any other game, even though less people play it. Chef and Chunkis say they don't play XX because there's nothing serious for it - but hopefully the scene will grow a bit more. It's still a new(ish) game, no-one gives it a chance [because it's not SF].




wa gwan?

That's right - A COOKEH


huh? I don't get that what has that got to do with anything, I play CVS2, SVC, KOF2002. Just not online talking about what I play, cause I actually play and not sit around talking about playing.

You see, I don't speak for a city. I speak for myself. Let the players come in and say its the last solid SF game out there. I could say that too, but I just happen to prefer playing 3s.

And man, you need to stop saying that shit because I am actually one of the bigger spenders at the arcades. Plus, I actualy play well in tournament games I actually practice and play. SC2 and #r being the 2 games i'm better at. You can moan about these games as much as you like now.


I just don't understand that paragraph at all, ur gonna need to explain that to me in person

What, can't understand 'take beats'?


seriously man how old are you? this paragraph must be you having a joke at me and if it is "ha" if not then "well" but either way I think this discussion is not really going to work out cause we're from way different wavelengths

I was lightening the mood, seen as obviously steam is coming out of your nostrils and ears. :)

encourages how? you sit at home on ur pc and type "PLAY XX Baiken is cool" well then let me encourage peace in out time "PEACE" or an end to poverty "DOWN WITH WHITTY" ah encouragement is kinda easy these days. I haven't seen you do anything XX related I mean get up and get out there and do something. And NO ABS wasn't that at all ABS did more to kill all games scenes in this place then anything even derek has mustered to do. (ah derek was on levels now I think about it)

lmao, you havent seen me do anything XX related because you're never at Trocadero. Let's see, I chat so several of the players about the characters, what happens in some situations and whatnot. I let people know what combos they can do on certain characters and how they can beat some other strats. When a new player comes we say a few words or whatever then we meet again next time. Now we know each other a little bit we can play and have fun, as well as learn. The more someone sees good action the more they want to play, right? Well, seen as Arma comes down and plays, we have tons of fun playing and more people watch and try to play the game. A SC2 player and a few of his friends have started playing now. The SC2 players friend who uses Chipp is cool, if he keeps at it he can boost Chipp up on the ratings in no time. I tell people to play XX on and offline, just letting people know there are players who play the game and are willing to take the game further in the UK.


As I said, I want to start some XX related stuff in London. But as you already know, I live in Luton. Chef says he's willing to help. Im sure Arma will help if he wants to. Onny will probably be a dea cert too. I'm doing this in hopes for people to recognize the game more. It's totally overlooked as everyone continues to play the older games.

And please, STOP WITH THE GOOD OL CHILDISH 'SIT ON PC AND BLAH BLEH BLUH' crap. Everyone's done it. It's been redundant for a thousand millenia. Geez...

And am I saying abs was a 'success'? No. You have your own opinions about it as I have mine. Mine's just happens to be...

IT WAS OK, I GOT TO MEET SOME OLD HEADS AGAIN, I GOT TO MEET V-RYU AGAIN, AND I GOT TO SEE LIVE JAPANESE ACTION. IM NEVER GONNA SEE THAT AGAIN IN THE UK.

I'm not gonna be one of the clones in London and say the same thing everyone else says just to fit in. Raaah, Abs was shit! ho fucking cares, thats YOUR opinion.

And as for the scene, tch; you give up so easily.

I suppose next stop is for me to go to Japan. I've been wanting to go since I was 13 for all the animé and stuff, now its all about games and culture. Well, that was random...

look at the profile thats the rank take it as a poke, you propbably just didn't see.

All I see is the figment of your imagination. Yeah, it's clearly visible.

...also, the above line made no sense, just like the quote above it.

You think A3 is unbalanced, I think is A3, that is that your not going to change your mind and thats that. No good can come from anymore talk. Play your games, enjoy your games.

Dude? Why didn't you say that earlier? That should have been your first post. I said A3 was unbalanced and it was my opinion (check 2nd ZAK POST, THE BRACKETS, THE BOLD! THE HUMANITY OF 'IMO1!'), but A3aholics take teh balance issue way too seriously as always. ¬_¬

"lets ignore the (imo) and argue further!"

Success!!

\o/

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Zakuta


A3's balance is incredible. Yeah; sure.

If you know me like the UK players know me, they know I like A3. I play it from time to time and never complain about what happens in the game (beisdes some odd V-ISM BS hehe ;)). I use X-Chun myself; and others tell me to use A-Chun because she's better - but I couldn't give two shits, I play the game withe the character and mode I want. I'm currently learning how to use V-Karin now, so I think it's safe to say that you are wrong about me not liking A3.

I'm just gonna say a couple of things, seen as it's pretty clear what happens in most A3 events.

The main ISM is V ISM. IMO, if you can't use this ISM, you're fucked! Use any character you like, perfect execution of V ISM will get you owned. V-ISM players aren't gonna play around. This takes away from its balance in one point. Most players use V. And i'm sure X doesn't get used against V much (unless you're very good at the game and can handle it - I use X anyway, so it doesn't matter) and A is standard. But why use A when you can use V (some A ISM characters are good though, but - again, V is better).

Characters. I think it's safe to say only GGXX and maybe ST has people use all the characters in the rostar. Everyones got something to shout about in those games. A3 however, it's usually the same selection of characters and the same ISM. Not taking it away from the players or anything, but everyone uses the same characters because of the simple fact they want to win. It only is 'balanced' with the top characters. At Abs there was V-Ryus, V-Giefs and V-Gouki's - and I think one A-Gouki that got a win or two I think. He's from the UK. This was when the UK played Japan at A3. No X-Fei Longs? WHAT IS THIS!1 =P

Anyway, I like A3; but I also tend to nitpick on certain aspects (I do that with all games, so it's all good). I don't think the game is balanced (IMO), thanks to superior character and ISM choice.

Maybe in the US it's more of a balanced game, but elsewhere it isn't. =p

If you know me like the UK players know me, they know I like A3. I play it from time to time and never complain about what happens in the game (beisdes some odd V-ISM BS hehe ;)). I use X-Chun myself; and others tell me to use A-Chun because she's better - but I couldn't give two shits, I play the game withe the character and mode I want. I'm currently learning how to use V-Karin now, so I think it's safe to say that you are wrong about me not liking A3.

How about picking A-Chun because she takes more to play. X-Chun is the most simplistic character that's effective in A3, I think. How much thought do you really need to put into her? Thankfully, there's vism to force a more thought provoking choice. Otherwise she'd be top tier. Top tier while requiring no skill and little thought? No thanks.

The main ISM is V ISM. IMO, if you can't use this ISM, you're fucked! Use any character you like, perfect execution of V ISM will get you owned. V-ISM players aren't gonna play around. This takes away from its balance in one point. Most players use V. And i'm sure X doesn't get used against V much (unless you're very good at the game and can handle it - I use X anyway, so it doesn't matter) and A is standard. But why use A when you can use V (some A ISM characters are good though, but - again, V is better).

V isn't better in all cases. There are A LOT of characters that are better in A. In the same sense, V is only better with specific characters as well. This statement seems to come from limited experience. I can't say much else about it other than that it doesn't hold true.

Characters. I think it's safe to say only GGXX and maybe ST has people use all the characters in the rostar. Everyones got something to shout about in those games. A3 however, it's usually the same selection of characters and the same ISM. Not taking it away from the players or anything, but everyone uses the same characters because of the simple fact they want to win. It only is 'balanced' with the top characters. At Abs there was V-Ryus, V-Giefs and V-Gouki's - and I think one A-Gouki that got a win or two I think. He's from the UK. This was when the UK played Japan at A3. No X-Fei Longs? WHAT IS THIS!1 =P

Fei Long? Are we even playing the same game? We don't play console A3 for tourneys here. Are you telling me that the ABS A3 tourney was on console?

You're basing your opinion on a European tournament. We've already heard from Bas regarding A3 there. I know exactly the level yall are at. Based on what came from Bas(don't take this as an insult), I could come there and change your mind using A-Charlie/A-Chun/A-Gief/A-Ryu/A-Vega/A-Rog...well, the point is, what you see there is just what you're exposed to. That's not how the game is. Your players just haven't reached a similar level with A as you have with V. That makes sense. It's likely that I could make you realize that A was just as good if not better than V, whether it was true or not. If your number one player was Aism you'd think differently, obviously.

The point is, your basing your opinion of balance on your limited experience. That's no basis for fact or concrete opinion. Which is what you said and that makes sense. It's merely where you play and what the other players appreciate. Hey, for years most ppl said that Rog was a crappy character. I mean REALLY bad. The common thought was that all of his moves can be stuffed by a jab, and they can. Logically, it made sense to think that he sucked. I've used Rog and he's one of my guys so, I played him anyway and saw things that others didn't. In the end, what I saw was the truth. It's the same thing there. If your top player went to an Aism character that you all thought sucked, it's possible that he would come with things that you never had considered and change your mind about the character. THIS happens in A3. Even now thoughts change. If the game wasn't balanced, no thoughts would change. Everything would've been set in stone in the first year or two. Kinda like CvS2 is. You really don't see any characters aside from top tier unless it's an A-groove team. The thing is CvS2 has a gazillion characters. You'd think a few more diamonds in the rough would've been discovered.

Hey, I nitpick too:) A LOT, lately. Games just bore me a lot now. They're more linear than the past. How can there be more characters and features but have less variety? *Shrug*

[jae hoon]

Im getting the impression that these guys havent seen your Rog yet Jason.

Man you needed to quit beasting on me in A3 it wasnt fair. :lol:

[grayfox_sc]

Originally posted by Zakuta
Ignoring what I post again. :rolleyes:



How long do I spend in the arcade playing the games I like to play...A LONG TIME. And what do I do on my Laptop? Download vids, work on my artwork, colour, chat and research. I don't even talk about the characters I play unless someone wants some information. And yeah, whats wrong with knowing what the Japanese are doing on the game? It's called monitoring the progress of other competition. You need to keep an eye on your opponent otherwise you're gonna be left behind. That's how you grow and learn. If you're ignorant to everything around you you're just gonna end up an ignorant player and not improve past a certain point.

And as for knowing about A3, I know my fare share about the game. Like I said before, I have knowledge in the games I play. They may be aspects I miss, but it's knowledge none the less. And from what I see from A3, I don't think i'm missing a great deal.

(minor thing, you must have missed the [b](imo) at the end of my last post. Why should I respect your opinion if you don't respect mine, eh?)




A3 hasn't moves much since the last RB. Why? The players gave up on it. That's why. Not taking away from their ability, but the players themselves seemed to lose interest in competing 'properly' ever since that RB (of which, SirC came bottom, if i remember correctly. :p).

People in Troc play A3, it gets played pretty regularly on the Fridays when I come down to play XX with the regular players for a while. Lots of A ISM going around (and i'm just gonna assume these players can't use V. And they probably don't want to either - i'm just gonna say the game is 'balanced' for the select players that play there, other than that, no). Same top characters being used besides say - Dan.

And how can Chef win with V-Ryu in a non existent tournament, you tell me. :) You saying he could have won abs w/ X-Ryu? Chef plays good Ryu action. But IMO, his V-Ryu is better.

You're not exactly encouraging me to play the game more you know. I play GGXX more than anything else. EVERYONE that knows me knows that I put more time and effort into XX than any other game, even though less people play it. Chef and Chunkis say they don't play XX because there's nothing serious for it - but hopefully the scene will grow a bit more. It's still a new(ish) game, no-one gives it a chance .





That's right - A COOKEH




You see, I don't speak for a city. I speak for myself. Let the players come in and say its the last solid SF game out there. I could say that too, but I just happen to prefer playing 3s.

And man, you need to stop saying that shit because I am actually one of the bigger spenders at the arcades. Plus, I actualy play well in tournament games I actually practice and play. SC2 and #r being the 2 games i'm better at. You can moan about these games as much as you like now.




What, can't understand 'take beats'?




I was lightening the mood, seen as obviously steam is coming out of your nostrils and ears. :)



lmao, you havent seen me do anything XX related because you're never at Trocadero. Let's see, I chat so several of the players about the characters, what happens in some situations and whatnot. I let people know what combos they can do on certain characters and how they can beat some other strats. When a new player comes we say a few words or whatever then we meet again next time. Now we know each other a little bit we can play and have fun, as well as learn. The more someone sees good action the more they want to play, right? Well, seen as Arma comes down and plays, we have tons of fun playing and more people watch and try to play the game. A SC2 player and a few of his friends have started playing now. The SC2 players friend who uses Chipp is cool, if he keeps at it he can boost Chipp up on the ratings in no time. I tell people to play XX on and offline, just letting people know there are players who play the game and are willing to take the game further in the UK.


As I said, I want to start some XX related stuff in London. But as you already know, I live in Luton. Chef says he's willing to help. Im sure Arma will help if he wants to. Onny will probably be a dea cert too. I'm doing this in hopes for people to recognize the game more. It's totally overlooked as everyone continues to play the older games.

And please, STOP WITH THE GOOD OL CHILDISH 'SIT ON PC AND BLAH BLEH BLUH' crap. Everyone's done it. It's been redundant for a thousand millenia. Geez...

And am I saying abs was a 'success'? No. You have your own opinions about it as I have mine. Mine's just happens to be...

IT WAS OK, I GOT TO MEET SOME OLD HEADS AGAIN, I GOT TO MEET V-RYU AGAIN, AND I GOT TO SEE LIVE JAPANESE ACTION. IM NEVER GONNA SEE THAT AGAIN IN THE UK.

I'm not gonna be one of the clones in London and say the same thing everyone else says just to fit in. Raaah, Abs was shit! ho fucking cares, thats YOUR opinion.

And as for the scene, tch; you give up so easily.

I suppose next stop is for me to go to Japan. I've been wanting to go since I was 13 for all the animé and stuff, now its all about games and culture. Well, that was random...



All I see is the figment of your imagination. Yeah, it's clearly visible.

...also, the above line made no sense, just like the quote above it.



Dude? Why didn't you say that earlier? That should have been your first post. I said A3 was unbalanced and it was my opinion (check 2nd ZAK POST, THE BRACKETS, THE BOLD! THE HUMANITY OF 'IMO1!'), but A3aholics take teh balance issue way too seriously as always. ¬_¬

"lets ignore the (imo) and argue further!"

Success!!

\o/

gah it's not balance thats the real problem in your posts its that your posts are baseless. I'm not gonna post on tactical nuclear weapons cause I know nothing about the subject. your entitled to your opinion but you have to back it up with logic and proof and there is non in your posts just cookies and off center remarks. Listen truth be told does it really matter if a3 is balanced or not? in fact the topic of the thread was why was there no A4, how did it get to this?


Listen to this carefully, I see know that there is no point discussing this any furter as your basis for logic is just vastly different to mine. There not much any of us has to say to each other now, on this subject as as far as I can see it is closed.


This is the bit where I walk away and you say blatannnnt!


complete the motion
grayfox

[Zakuta]

Originally posted by Apoc
How about picking A-Chun because she takes more to play. X-Chun is the most simplistic character that's effective in A3, I think. How much thought do you really need to put into her? Thankfully, there's vism to force a more thought provoking choice. Otherwise she'd be top tier. Top tier while requiring no skill and little thought? No thanks.

Really, it's got nothing to do with how easy/hard it is for me to use the character. I just pick Classic Chun. It just happens that she's 'easy' to use. Doesn't make me want to switch ISMs, i'll just pick another character I find interesting and try to use (V-Karin).

V isn't better in all cases. There are A LOT of characters that are better in A. In the same sense, V is only better with specific characters as well. This statement seems to come from limited experience. I can't say much else about it other than that it doesn't hold true.

Yeah, but who does well in X? It's almost like it's rare to see someone use X ISM heh - I suppose you just have to know your character inside out to do really well with this ISM.

Fei Long? Are we even playing the same game? We don't play console A3 for tourneys here. Are you telling me that the ABS A3 tourney was on console?

That's just me throwing out characters - lol, I tend to remember the 'others' or just Chun and Karin. :P

You're basing your opinion on a European tournament. We've already heard from Bas regarding A3 there. I know exactly the level yall are at. Based on what came from Bas(don't take this as an insult), I could come there and change your mind using A-Charlie/A-Chun/A-Gief/A-Ryu/A-Vega/A-Rog...well, the point is, what you see there is just what you're exposed to. That's not how the game is. Your players just haven't reached a similar level with A as you have with V. That makes sense. It's likely that I could make you realize that A was just as good if not better than V, whether it was true or not. If your number one player was Aism you'd think differently, obviously.

Well, no-one changed my mind about character choice yet. :P I always get encouraged by some players that I should use A-Chun. I just always stick to my guns and just play the character. :)

Maybe when it comes tournament time i'll start using A-Chun - that's if there's another A3 tournament in the UK. ¬_¬

The point is, your basing your opinion of balance on your limited experience. That's no basis for fact or concrete opinion. Which is what you said and that makes sense. It's merely where you play and what the other players appreciate. Hey, for years most ppl said that Rog was a crappy character. I mean REALLY bad. The common thought was that all of his moves can be stuffed by a jab, and they can. Logically, it made sense to think that he sucked. I've used Rog and he's one of my guys so, I played him anyway and saw things that others didn't. In the end, what I saw was the truth. It's the same thing there. If your top player went to an Aism character that you all thought sucked, it's possible that he would come with things that you never had considered and change your mind about the character. THIS happens in A3. Even now thoughts change. If the game wasn't balanced, no thoughts would change. Everything would've been set in stone in the first year or two. Kinda like CvS2 is. You really don't see any characters aside from top tier unless it's an A-groove team. The thing is CvS2 has a gazillion characters. You'd think a few more diamonds in the rough would've been discovered.

CvS2 has a lot of characters yeah - but I assume that some of the characters haven't been thoroughly played yet...thats just based on me playing any game really and seeing the same selection of characters used. I get more interested into a game when more or all of the cast used. Everyone has their own tricks and you learn new things about them that you didn't know before(obviously). Just lets you know that you have to always be aware, no matter who you play against (unless you know the matchup, of course - which could always play a part, unless your opponent plays hella random (like I do. :P)).


Hey, I nitpick too:) A LOT, lately. Games just bore me a lot now. They're more linear than the past. How can there be more characters and features but have less variety? *Shrug* [/B]

Developers aren't trying hard enough - or maybe that they're too scared to add variety because of threads like these :P

[Ultima]

X-ism = Simple (Easy) mode
A-Ism = Norml mode
V-ISm = Variable (Expert) mode

I think that's the way Capcom intended things, not for the ISMs to be balanced at all.

re: CvS2

CvS2's was balanaced using the "let's make sure no one is too good" method of balancing. The result is that most of the characters aren't that different from one another in terms of what they can do, but little things slip through, which end up making a huge difference in gameplay (e.g. Sagat c.HP). It's doubtful that any diamonds in the rough will be found in the game at this stage simply because if you can find something good with a mid-tier character, you can probably do the same thing with a much better character.

[Richard]

^ I gues that might be the case. One level for people who like older games, and one for those that don't. Maybe it doesn't imply that the isms are that balanced... It all depends on so much other stuff.

Originally posted by Apoc
V isn't better in all cases. There are A LOT of characters that are better in A. In the same sense, V is only better with specific characters as well.

Yeah, exactly. There are more than just a handful that are better in Xism or Aism.

If your number one player was Aism you'd think differently, obviously.
Yeah. It's amazing the number of people who played a new SF game for the first time and just went Ryu/Guile, and never played the others because they thought those two would be best.

Originally posted by Ultima
I think Skullo has also been used once or twice in the past
One of the games was Technictix in 2001, which I believe is a music game...

[Vampire Savior]

Alpha 3 is boring and dull. Stages sucked, I hate the ISM bullshit, recycled sprites, terrible music and know matter what everyone fought Bison...boring. Yet Alpha 1 was good, it was new and had chains, but Alpha 2 takes the cake. Cause too many characters can be overkill!

[Rhio2k]

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Alpha 3 is boring and dull. Stages sucked, I hate the ISM bullshit, recycled sprites, terrible music and know matter what everyone fought Bison...boring. Yet Alpha 1 was good, it was new and had chains, but Alpha 2 takes the cake. Cause too many characters can be overkill!

Sweet merciful Luna, YES!!!

[SaBrE]

a2 is like the equivalent of mvc2. a game that only the US liked :D i say shitty, cuz the game is so bland (IMO) and nothing really to do in the game. wasnt really much to the game, hence its quick death. game was good for a little bit. but just not really much to do gameplay wise, gets old quick to me. atleast a3 had more playable characters and some shit to do...

[TS]

Vampire Savior- you're fired.




Anyway, A2 has to be one of the games that's most hated-on in hindsight. People still say X-Men vs SF is great fun (maybe it's fun), don't say much about MvC1 and have forgotten about CvS1.

I think SFA2 is a fantastic game for beginner to intermediate play, espeically at the time of it's release. It's very possible for someone to get the hang of when to Alpha Counter, and pick Ken, and think they're very good at a great game, even if they're completely average or below as a player. The same applies to any number of other characters...The engine is just complicated enough so that you think you're know what you're doing, but not really enough to confuse. High damage helps out weaker players and characters somewhat. Balance is fair. It's almost stereotypical SF...

This is the game without Valle-CC. Which, ironically doesn't hurt balance too much, as that particlar retarded feature is available to the entire cast.

As is, SFA2 is...

People who think they're very good at SF but actually aren't, are that way because of Street Fighter Alpha 2 (that's even without Valle-CC). There are some interesting and really fun things that can happen in A2 which will make you love the game, but ultimately the game can never go anywhere. Good game with a small number of things that are terribly wrong with it.

[Shin Ace]

Originally posted by Chupacabra


You'd be hardpressed to find people that like 2i over 3s. They do exist though...

Me for one.

[Rhio2k]

Originally posted by TS
Vampire Savior- you're fired.

Aw, that was fucked up!

CLICK (http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/79829/boy.mp3)

[Dyse]

Call me a scrub but i loved alpha 3. I played the other 2 and they were "ok" but Alpha 3 was great.

Street Fighter comes in 3's? ummm no.

Street Fighter II: World Warriors
Street Fighter II: Championship Edition
Street Fighter II: Turbo
Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers
Super Street Fighter II: Turbo

That's 5 Street Fighters all called Street Fighter II. All slightly different from one another. Well except for Super Turbo which introduced Supers.

[Ken34]

I would love to see an alpha 4, to me , Alpha 3 was a VERY GOOD GAME!
they should make another one

[Rhio2k]

Originally posted by Dyse
Call me a scrub but i loved alpha 3. I played the other 2 and they were "ok" but Alpha 3 was great.

You "PLAYED" the other 2...did you play them when they first came out, or did you spend 20 minutes at a friend's house, playing his psx games while he got ready to go somewhere with you sometime last year? Trust me, it's a relevant question. Did you come up on the games, or did you just bullshit around with them AFTER you'd played 3 for a while?

[Kikosho]

Apoc is beasting this thread. Good job defending Alpha 3 apoc. When I first played Alpha 3 it was completely freshing to me. I was kinda mad at first that they changed custom combos, but as apoc has already said a2 cc are scrubby. I adapted and personally I played A-Chun. I stuck with her even through the whole crouch-cancelling and v-ism stage. A-ism characters can compete and I think thats coming out of the water now. All the stuff about Alpha 2 is more of a backseat thing to me. The backgrounds and music are cool, but if the gameplay isn't refreshing it's not worth it to me at all. Hey Apoc, you think you can post all the A-characters you think can compete in the game?

[Muskau]

Outside of V-ism, is Chun top tier? Because at the arcade I go to, there is this guy that plays Chun-Li in every game, and he wins about 90% of his matches when using A-Chun, the only time I've ever seen him lose is when he went against a V-Sakura and a V-Akuma, other than that, her priority is just insane, jumping, standing or crouching you have to deal with Sakura and Karin FP levels of proirity.

Anyone else have this problem with Chun? Seems like the Chun player doesn't really even have to try, he just throws something out there and it beats whatever I'm trying to do.

[Ken34]

Originally posted by Muskau
Outside of V-ism, is Chun top tier? Because at the arcade I go to, there is this guy that plays Chun-Li in every game, and he wins about 90% of his matches when using A-Chun, the only time I've ever seen him lose is when he went against a V-Sakura and a V-Akuma, other than that, her priority is just insane, jumping, standing or crouching you have to deal with Sakura and Karin FP levels of proirity.

Anyone else have this problem with Chun? Seems like the Chun player doesn't really even have to try, he just throws something out there and it beats whatever I'm trying to do.

ya know what, you are right, that crap ticks me off, she has better throw advantage and for somereason her kicks land faster than yours, but thats nothing my A-Ken or X-Akuma cant handle.

[Richard]

Originally posted by Dyse
Street Fighter comes in 3's? ummm no.

That's 5 Street Fighters all called Street Fighter II. All slightly different from one another. Well except for Super Turbo which introduced Supers.
Well, we dealt with III, Alpha and EX a few pages back ("Upper" and "Plus" games don't really count). But for SFII, I suppose in some sense it can be seen as a trilogy:[list=a]
From the point of view of games that they originally intended to produce: They made WW, and then the obvious followup was CE. They didn't want to make HF (they were more or less forced into it by the bootlegs). And then Super and ST, which were meant to be the same game (but instead one got rushed out, so there were two).
Look at the character portraits and endings. There are three sets.
From a hardware point fo view. If you're an arcade owner, you have to buy three sets of boards (the pink games, HF and ST, are both just expansion packs to the previous games, so nothing new is required)[/list=a]
So in a manner of speaking, SF2 could be called a trilogy. It would certainly be a lot neater if that were the case. And do we have 3 Darkstalkers games now? But anyway, it was a general observation, not a golden rule...

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Originally posted by Rhio2k
now, you'll note I didn't say that the anime was AWESOME, but I enjoyed it. The people who didn't are mostly those bitching cuz Ryu didn't do a full fight scene with Akuma, and really need to stop riding his nuts.
You mean apart from all the people who realized the movie was horseshit?