SFA3 Akuma V-ISm

[ballpoint]

i know a generic Alpha 3 thread already exists, but i figured V-Akuma deserved his own thread.

here are the VCs i use. my stuff is pretty limited, so i'm welcoming ppl to post variations and VCs for other purposes. (sorry if the format's a bit difficult to understand, just something new i'm trying)

standard blow through
[VC1]
(a) c.SK
(a.a) [FP.hadoken > FP.demon flip (K ender)] repeat to corner
(a.a.a) [FP > hadoken (miss)] repeat til meter runs out
(a.a.b) [SP.shoryuken] repeat til meter runs out
(a.a.c) [FP.demon flip (K ender)] repeat til meter runs out
(a.a.a.a) c.FP > FP.demon flip

standard showboat
[VC1]
(b) c.RK
(b.a) JP.demon flip (otg) > RK
(b.a.a) = (a.a.a), (a.a.b), or (a.a.c)

anti air
[VC1]
(c) JP.shoryuken
(c.a) [FP.hadoken > FP.demon flip]* repeat to corner
(c.a.a) = (a.a.a), etc

(d) SP.shoryuken
(d.a) b.RK > [FP.demon flip > FP.hadoken] repeat to corner
(d.a.a) = (a.a.a), etc

* the hadoken must hit, but the demon flip might miss depending on the spacing.

unblockable (?)
[VC1]
(e) c.SK
(e.a) [FP.red hadoken > FP demon flip > c.SK] repeat until opponent hit
(e.a.a) c.FP > K.teleport back ?
(e.a.a.a) repeat (e.a) ?

corner guard crush
(f)
(f.a) [FP.red hadoken > hopkick] until meter runs out or opponent hit
(f.a.a) [SP.shoryuken] repeat until meter runs out if opponent hit

[ballpoint]

general patterns and stuff i'd like to know whether to use or not.

- c.FK > hadoken
- hopkick > SK.tatsumaki
- b.RK instead of hadoken on cornered opponent [Guy can FK even after connected hadokens]
- repeated walk up c.SK
- j.FP > s.JP > throw [tick]
- j.FP > s.JP > c.RK [fake tick]
- divekick > c.JP > c.SK > hopkick > SK.tatsumaki > c.SK > c.SK > b.RK (poke string / mixup)
- c.SK > c.SK > SK > FP.red hadoken [chip]
- c.FK > PPP.teleport
- c.FP > KKK.teleport
- f.SP [poke, anti-empty jump]
- SP [high poke]
- FK [low poke]
- crossup (empty) > c.SK > tatsumaki
- (vertical jump) FP.air fireball > b.RK (pushaway)
- c.SK > c.FP > SK.tatsumaki
- c.SK > c.FK > SP.demon flip

combos
- c.FP > tatsumaki [on falling cornered opponent]
- c.FP > shoryuken [on falling cornered opponent]
- c.SK (counterhit) > b.RK
- c.SK (counterhit) > b.FP > hadoken

anti-air
- RK [far anti-air]
- c.FP [close, anti-crossup]
- shoryuken
- JP
- SP
- c.SP
- b.FP

VCs
- otg
- unblockable
- repeated unblockable
- c.SK (counterhit) > VC
- tatsumaki > VC
- (as VC ends) c.FP > teleport
- c.FP (whiff) > SK.tatsumaki to build meter

meter building
c.FP (proximity cancel) > SK.tatsumaki

[ballpoint]

could anybody post the commands for the VCs on Jimmy's combo exhibition? i remember one that started with a sweep > demon flip (slide ender) > overhead which i THINK was unblockable.

does Akuma have any good Oriren VCs?

does Akuma have any other good VCs? some in VC2 or VC3 in particular. i don't know any confusion VCs, other guard crush VCs, reset VCs, or VCs that push towards the corner.

what's his standard post-VC crouch cancel series?

[ballpoint]

Originally posted by soma
Originally posted by Geekboy:

Akuma

VC1, Jab DP, [Fierce FB, Fierce Demon Flip->Kick, land, repeat from FB], repeat brackets until corner, then do s.Fierce, whiff FB xn.

VC2(or VC3), Strong DP, b+Roundhouse [Fierce Demon Flip->Kick, land, Fierce Demon Flip->Kick, land, s.Fierce]. When you get to the corner, and you still have meter, do one Demon Flip->Kick, land, and do another Demon Flip with nothing, land, and do b+Roundhouse again to continue the combo or you can do the s.Fierce, FB pattern. (Thanks to Sabre for clarification)

-Above combo is for 2P side, if you're 1P do whiff s.Fierce -> Fierce Demon Flip->Kick (Thanks to Mouko for more clarification)

VC3, c.Forward, c.Roundhouse, Strong Demon Flip, OTG Fierce grab, [s.Roundhouse, Fierce Demon Flip->Kick, land, s.Roundhouse] until corner. Once in the corner, just do whiff Jab FB into s.Fierces. Once the meter runs out, you can jump foward and then Demon Flip into a punch or something. (Thanks to Raz0r)

-When ending a VC with Akuma, you can add in Demon Flips right before the meter runs out. Do the s.Fierce, FB, when the meter's down to 5%, you can do Fierce Demon Flip->Kick, land, c.Fierce, Jab Demon Flip->Kick.

Akuma Unblockable (Thanks to Mouko)

(Do when opponent has no meter, so it's safe)

VC1: c.Short, Fierce Red FB, Fierce Demon Flip->Punch(hit late), c.Short (unblockable), Blue FB to the Demon Flip/FB combo


from the character VCs thread.

[Juggy]

I was just wanting to know what V-Akumas most damaging VC is... I am not a A3 buff, but I know a REALLY simple one with Charlie... probably very old but I just picked up the game, dusted it off, and was testing some things. It is a 27-28 hit combo doing 67~ damage I think, just repeated Somersault Kicks in the corner, then end with 2 s.hk.... o_o I don't know, just thought I would see if it is worth anything....

[ballpoint]

hehe... that's the first VC i ever learned actually. very simple, but u could try his midscreen carrier VC (more damage with less hits). last i checked Charlie had a reset VC that refilled his meter to about 40% with crouch cancels, but i haven't pulled it off.

i don't know what Akuma's most damaging VC is, but i know that by doing ONLy demon flips instead of repeated [demon flip > hadoken] in the standard VC, u get more damage. his unblockable is a bitch in the corner too coz it can be reset (as BAS demonstrated at B5).

who's good for fighting off V-Akuma? what does he have to watch out for vs Sak, Nash and the other top tiers? are there any non-top tiers that give him hell...?

[Sentinel]

(VC2)
StrP shoryuken(or if on the ground c.Fk into Fp red hadoken)
FP demonflip(K ender)
neutral FP
Fp demonflip (k ender)
neutral FP (or you can do a hop kick instead)
Fp demonflip (k ender)
(this only for player 2 side)
after last demonflip in corner do another Fp demonflip but no ender let him slide, he'll turn around:
neutral Fp
Fp demonflip(k ender)
hop kick
Fp demonflip(k ender)
hop kick
Fp demonflip(grab ender)

there you go that should be some help.. it's kind of hard to do at first but eventually it'll become easy..

as for fighting against v akuma, charlie does well, sakura does well.. it just all depends on how you play them though.

[ballpoint]

*throws a buoy at thread*

[soma]

Originally posted by ballpoint
who's good for fighting off V-Akuma? what does he have to watch out for vs Sak, Nash and the other top tiers? are there any non-top tiers that give him hell...?

I have limited experience in this game, but...I find V-Sak does really well against V-Akuma, especially if you can get him the corner. He doesn't really have any moves that will consistently outprioritize her normals (b. fierce, s. roundhouse), so you can pretty much rape him (force him to eat damage or break his guard and eat damage). Throw into crossup is quite gay. If you can avoid getting VC'ed (save meter for counter VCs), you can give Akuma a very tough time. I suppose V-Charlie does well against him for the basically the same reason. I used to think that V-Gief beat him, but I believe most experts agree that V-Akuma wins that fight (runaway, VC, repeat).

Supposedly V-Dan counters V-Akuma (pushblock, runaway?)...Can someone elaborate on this?

[js2756]

Sak does well against Akuma due to her greater range and priority. As for cornering him, it's very hard to due even with her because (assuming he has good timing and reflexes), he can still DP her limbs when she tries to hit him. Also, if she is trying to corner him, he can still teleport out of the corner (not sure how safe this is if she has meter though).

I think that Sim should give Akuma a hard time, possible more than any other character. His quick long limbs make it hard for Akuma to get in on him, and he always has the teleport to get away from danger, or ACs if in A-ism. His limbs also have very good priority, as does his in close moves. He also has to be careful of those DPs though, when trying to poke.

I would also try A-Rolento against him, due to his speed and ability to get away.

[ballpoint]

i don't know about teleporting out of corners. in my experience Sak gets back in Aku's face very very quickly. i play this match up a lot but i'm still not very sure what it depends on and would like to become more familiar with it.

on the ground Aku can just jab Sak's limbs, follow with walk in c.FK xx FP.hadoken. also, i seem to hit Sak a lot with hadokens just before she throws her own, from about half a screen away. is it just me or is Sak's j.SP annoying anyone else? rushing down Sak seems to be more difficult than doing so other chars coz of it. jump straight up SP smacks Aku while his divekick misses, c.FP smacks Akuma out of hopkicks and seems to have more horizontal range than i give it credit for. what's the best way to avoid or counter c.SK X3 > b.FP > fat hadoken? what's the safest way to get out of a Sak midscreen crossup-fest? like crossup.FK > s.JP(whiff) > throw > crossup (empty) > c.SK c.SK c.SK > shou'oken > etc..?

and what's the basic gameplan vs Sak..??? :mad:

[soma]

Uh, can you DP Sakura's limbs on reactions? I would think standing jab is a hell of a lot more reliable for that purpose. And teleporting out of the corner seems really, really risky. At the very least, he'll eat a standing roundhouse.

[ballpoint]

without anti-air, wouldn't Rolento be eaten alive by V-Akuma?

i think buffering into the teleport would take some of the risk out of it. but yeah, as a general rule teleporting is always risky.

still wondering how to fight Sak, if anyone knows...

[mondu_the_fat]

Originally posted by soma
Uh, can you DP Sakura's limbs on reactions?

In theory, yes. In practice, even the best players in the world can't do it consistently... if it were half as easy as it sounds, characters like Dhalsim would never even make it mid-tier. Missing a DP against Sakura would usually mean a VC in Akuma's face. Jabbing limbs (I prefer crouching SP and hitting Sak up the crotch) is a bit less dangerous.

On Akuma vs Rolento my money is solidly on Akuma. Most Rolento players love their anti-air. V-Akuma (any V for that matter) can jump into what seems like an obvious candidate for a stick up the ass, then activate VC and whack away.

confusion/guard crush VC, midscreen:

VC2/3->FP->FP red fireball->whiff demon flip (slide kick ender)->repeat

Done properly I think this is actually a true guard crusher -- FP red fireballs (both real and shadow) will be hitting the opponent midscreen and keeping him blockstun. Slowing the combo down a bit turns it into a confusion VC, and chances are one of the fireballs will hit. It can then be converted into a standard midscreen damage VC (which, unfortunately, because it is VC2/3, is hard to convert to a corner VC).

[soma]

In theory, yes. In practice, even the best players in the world can't do it consistently... if it were half as easy as it sounds, characters like Dhalsim would never even make it mid-tier. Missing a DP against Sakura would usually mean a VC in Akuma's face. Jabbing limbs (I prefer crouching SP and hitting Sak up the crotch) is a bit less dangerous.

Heh, yeah that was basically my point...

If Sak tries to cross you up after a knockdown, do a hurricane kick on wakeup. It should do a counter hit, and you'll be able to flip out and get away (get ready to tech air throw or whatever though).

[TS]

Originally posted by ballpoint

standard blow through
[VC1]
(a) c.SK
(a.a) [FP.hadoken > FP.demon flip (K ender)] repeat to corner
(a.a.a) [FP > hadoken (miss)] repeat til meter runs out
(a.a.b) [SP.shoryuken] repeat til meter runs out


Don't you have to whiff a crouching Roundhouse for aab?


(d) SP.shoryuken
(d.a) b.RK > [FP.demon flip > FP.hadoken] repeat to corner
(d.a.a) = (a.a.a), etc


Another way to do it is B+RK, FP demon flip ended with Kick, hopkick xx FP demon flip ended with kick, standing FP(?) xx [Fierce(?) demon flip with kick]x2, hopkick xx demon flip grab with Roundhouse. At least I think that's how it goes, I don't play Akuma, really. VC stolen from Mouko at some tournament. This is VC3, I think.


corner guard crush
(f)
(f.a) [FP.red hadoken > hopkick] until meter runs out or opponent hit
(f.a.a) [SP.shoryuken] repeat until meter runs out if opponent hit

For the first one, you can actually take out the hopkicks to do a little more block damage, and it's almost as safe if your timing is good. To the best of my knowlege, faa isn't safe if blocked. Or are you saying do faa if fa breaks their GC guage?

general patterns and stuff i'd like to know whether to use or not.

- c.FK > hadoken
- hopkick > SK.tatsumaki
- b.RK instead of hadoken on cornered opponent [Guy can FK even after connected hadokens]

first one is okay, but you may want to try a hopkick or a sweep instead. Hopkick to get closer, and sweep since it will push them out anyway, and do more GC damage in the process. Also, keep in mind you could use crouching Short instead. Short, short, nothing, or short, forward, red fireball, or short, jab, hopkick, short, axe kick, low Forward, or something.

Second one looks a little dangerous, but I guess it sort of depends on the match. Do you mean cancel the hop kick, or just wait until it's finished? Don't you get thrown after that if they crouch under it or block? Third one seems better than a fireball, but you may want to do a low Forward instead, as it leaves you a little less open if you should happen to whiff the Roundhouse, or if they should happen to see it coming.


- j.FP > s.JP > c.RK [fake tick]

Seems to me that the tick is a little too slow. And if you can predict when they won't fall for it, you'd be better off using a DP or something better and/or safer than a crouching Roundhouse.


- divekick > c.JP > c.SK > hopkick > SK.tatsumaki > c.SK > c.SK > b.RK (poke string / mixup)
- c.SK > c.SK > SK > FP.red hadoken [chip]

The first one I like, but the hurricane kick bothers me. Otherwise it's really good.


- c.FP > KKK.teleport

Kick teleport is almost ALWAYS a bad idea. Unless you're already in the corner, and are trying to mess with someone's head. Even then, you're probably better off finding a way to PPP teleport out of the corner.


- f.SP [poke, anti-empty jump]
- SP [high poke]
- FK [low poke]
- crossup (empty) > c.SK > tatsumaki
- (vertical jump) FP.air fireball > b.RK (pushaway)
- c.SK > c.FP > SK.tatsumaki
- c.SK > c.FK > SP.demon flip

I like to use the overhead as a poke, but just for the second hit. A little too slow for me otherwise. That's just me though... Regular standing Strong is good...well at least I know Ryu's is. And since it's the same move for Akuma, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's good too. More vs stuff that you know is coming though, than a random poke (since it will whiff vs crouchers). Standing Forward is actually a nice move, and I've only really ever seen one person use it (and he doesn't use it anymore...). After empty crossups, you're probably better off going into a throw.

I think Jab air fireball is better than Fierce, and you probably want to keep your options open as for what to do afterwards. Crouching Short, crouching Fierce is good after blocked crossups. Demon flips CAN be a good idea out of a VC, but not terribly often IMHO, as you can react to them on...well, on reaction.



combos
- c.FP > tatsumaki [on falling cornered opponent]
- c.FP > shoryuken [on falling cornered opponent]
- c.SK (counterhit) > b.RK
- c.SK (counterhit) > b.FP > hadoken

Vs falling people, you may want to consider crouching/b+Fierce into one of the demon flip grabs (punch one does more damage, but the kick one is prettier). Crouching Short into axe kick is good, but you may want to try doing it into a sweep, so you can get a crossup (or a VC). Last combo will whiff vs a lot of crouchers, and you're probably better off using a hurricane kick if it hits anyway, so you can put them in a worse position.


anti-air
- RK [far anti-air]
- c.FP [close, anti-crossup]
- shoryuken
- JP
- SP
- c.SP
- b.FP

Standing Roundhouse and Strong are good vs people Gief, who like to jump in empty. However, since they can't be canceled on reaction to anything, it's not as good of an idea vs V-Gief. Crouching Fierce is okay, and both it and standing Jab get let you buffer into a demon flip grab if they jumped in with anything. Strong DP is probably is best anti-air (not counting VCs) because it sets up a crossup. Strong dp, crossup Forward, low Short, repeat if it hits (stolen from a V-Ryu vid which was formerly on Cornertrap). Doesn't work vs a handful of characters (ie Gief), and you have to keep in mind that they can roll, but it's a really nice thing to have. Also a nice setup for the unblockable VC, IIRC.


meter building
c.FP (proximity cancel) > SK.tatsumaki

You can actually just do Short hurricane kicks pretty safely if you happen to be across the screen or something. And crouching Strong and Forward are better for canceling that Fierce, as for some reason they give you more meter. You can also do a hurricane kick as you land from an empty jump, and do so pretty safely. Just do it a milisecond before you land, and you still get the meter for it.

One moment please...

[TS]

Originally posted by ballpoint

who's good for fighting off V-Akuma? what does he have to watch out for vs Sak, Nash and the other top tiers? are there any non-top tiers that give him hell...?

Sak has already been explained, though I wouldn't say she beats him. All top tier characters do well, for the record. It's said that Charlie beat him, because for one thing, he basically never has to jump, and therefore doesn't have to get hit with the anti-air VC. And even if he does, there's a good chance he has meter, so... Anyway, he has really good priority, and a couple of moves that bother shotos more than usual (see standing b+RK), and good everything else.

I think Dhalsim beats him like 6-4. I actually had Sim and Akuma tied for #1 when I tried to tier A3 one time, but since Sim does better in a match between the two, I gave the top spot to Dhalsim. This is A-Sim, btw, though V is okay. Dhalsim has a good Alpha Counter, and the ability to use it without getting GCed, good supers, good normals and throws, great range, obviously, Crazy Air Throw of Justice, and of course the C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER, ala Killer Instinct.

Sodom does okay, but he has to be real careful when he's out of meter. Ditto Ryu...you could consider saving it for reversing Akuma's VCs, like someone mentioned over in the A3 thread, and like Valle was doing VS BAS at B5 (though ironically, I think that costed him a couple of the matches).

Gief doesn't beat him either, but does well, just because of the ridiculous amount of damage he can do, and the fact that in practical terms, all Gief players are required to figure out how to beat shotos to get anywhere with their character. Ambiguous jumpin doesn't hurt either. A-Gief has a good AC, and the meter to spare to use it, though V-Gief is the better character for this match, IMHO.

Regarding teleporting out of the corner vs Sak, yes, you can buffer into it. Also, teleport is invincible from about the abdomen down, so if you smell a sweep or low Forward or fireball coming from Sak, you can teleport then.


on the ground Aku can just jab Sak's limbs, follow with walk in c.FK xx FP.hadoken. also, i seem to hit Sak a lot with hadokens just before she throws her own, from about half a screen away. is it just me or is Sak's j.SP annoying anyone else? rushing down Sak seems to be more difficult than doing so other chars coz of it. jump straight up SP smacks Aku while his divekick misses, c.FP smacks Akuma out of hopkicks and seems to have more horizontal range than i give it credit for. what's the best way to avoid or counter c.SK X3 > b.FP > fat hadoken? what's the safest way to get out of a Sak midscreen crossup-fest? like crossup.FK > s.JP(whiff) > throw > crossup (empty) > c.SK c.SK c.SK > shou'oken > etc..?

and what's the basic gameplan vs Sak..??? :mad:

Like I said before, I don't really play Akuma (this is all just stuff I've picked up over time), so I can't give you a basic game plan. However, you can throw after an empty crossup, or VC through her Short, since she can't cancel into anything that will save her. Also, use your fireball every so often. Puts on preassure from the right distance, and encourages jumping, if nothing else. And once you see the throws coming, the match gets a lot more winnable. Sorry to be so vague.

I have never, ever heard of V-Dan countering V-Akuma. The whole problem with the pushblock is that it leaves Dan out of options, AFAIK, and he still loses Guard meter. Even if he could keep Akuma out (which I don't think he can at all), I don't see how he could win the match.

Random things:
-Crossup from Strong DP, already mentioned earlier
-After ending a VC in the corner, let them flip, and you neutral jump Short, cc jump Fierce, and I think you can CC into something after that. If they don't flip, you can of course go for an air throw or whatever.
-After landing a hurricane kick midscreen, if they flip towards you, and maybe neutral also, you can do b+Fierce into demon flip grab, or just do a VC and start it with standing Roundhouse. Or you can try and jump throw them.
-Standing Fierce does a lot of GC damage

And that's all that comes to mind...

[js2756]

I never meant that you can always DP Sakura's limb's every time. But from my experience, Sak players just love to throw out that standing RH, and they tend to get relatively predictable with it.

I definitely agree that A-Sim is probably the best choice for fighting V-Akuma. Another thing about not being able to DP Sim's limbs is that Sim has a lot more variety in his ranged pokes than anyone else, so if a person is mixing it up, it makes it so much harder to DP them.

I still think a good Rolento player can do decently against V-Akuma. He does have good anti-air, decent poke range, and after recently playing with him a bit, I've noticed that his cr. FP does almost a full block's worth of block meter.

I have found though, that V-Akuma gives virtually everyone problems.

[ballpoint]

Rolento fighting Akuma off is a pretty big claim i think. i'm sold that he breaks both A-Akuma or even A-Shin Akuma, but not V. ppl with DPs and anti air VCs already get rushed down, and Rolento doesn't have any of those. but yeah, Aku gives everyone problems..

TS:
- nah, in VC1 the SP.shoryuken takes long enough to land. maybe the JP version would need the c.RK..
- cool VC, with the hopkick > demon flip > slam. many many style points :)
- always cancelling the hopkick...
- agh. KKK teleport IS a bad idea. should've been c.FK > PPP.teleport. just wanted to emphasize cancelling into the port from a move type (K > P.port or P > K.port) to reduce negative edge slop.
- i've really avoided FP, i keep forgetting it did good block damage. i'mma try it later on. and yes FK is nice.
- should've been JP.air fireball > b.RK. d'oh.
- is it just the FP version or can Aku cancel c.FP at any point in animation on arcade? the demon flip has trouble reaching sometimes. oh, and i think the K one does more damage by itself, but the P one can be comboed after (probably what u meant)...
- i haven't tried SP.shoryuken, didn't know it set up crossups. i always thought it knocked far away ala Ryu or allowed a flip..


does Akuma have many good corner damage VCs in VC2 or 3...? i've used VC1 religiously for a very long time just for the corner transition, and since otg works off that anyway. i've recently started trying a VC2/3 combo that looks like c.SP > c.RK > JP.hadoken > JP.roll > JP.roll > repeat (ripoff of a Ken Oriren). the damage is nice and he can transition into an otg, but the corner juggling isn't so hot.

[TS]

With the Akuma vs Rolento thing...well Rolento has like one of the best Alpha Counters in the game, but unlike Sim, I think Rolento is going to end up doing his fair share of blocking, which is bad. Plus he likes to jump a lot, which is also not so great... Does better vs Akuma than VS Gief, anyway...yipes...


Originally posted by ballpoint
- is it just the FP version or can Aku cancel c.FP at any point in animation on arcade? the demon flip has trouble reaching sometimes. oh, and i think the K one does more damage by itself, but the P one can be comboed after (probably what u meant)...
- i haven't tried SP.shoryuken, didn't know it set up crossups. i always thought it knocked far away ala Ryu or allowed a flip..


Crouching Fierce is cancellable until after it's fully extended...just easier to do it before. I believe this is true for ARK, Rose, Dan, Karin, and anyone else who has a cancellable crouching Fierce anything like theirs (Sak, Cody, etc). I think Strong demon flip is the best one to combo into for anti-air. And I remember the demon flip grab with P doing more damage than the one with K, (though this may vary depending on whether they're in the air or not), but I will check it out tonight.

Strong DP can be flipped out of if you don't get all 3 hits, like if you DP too early or possibly if you get a Major Counter. Otherwise they can't flip out of it.


does Akuma have many good corner damage VCs in VC2 or 3...? i've used VC1 religiously for a very long time just for the corner transition, and since otg works off that anyway. i've recently started trying a VC2/3 combo that looks like c.SP > c.RK > JP.hadoken > JP.roll > JP.roll > repeat (ripoff of a Ken Oriren). the damage is nice and he can transition into an otg, but the corner juggling isn't so hot.

Only corner VCs I ever end up using are DP, whiff fireball [standing Fierce xx fireball] until VC ends, and then end it with b+fierce into demon flip with punch, or something. You can whiff a hopkick in there after the first fierce or fireball, if you're too far from the corner. There's all sorts of stuff Akuma can do in the corner (ie GC/block damage VC, corner juggles, unblockable rest, probably turn them around and do the midscreen, etc), but that's one of the better VCs to do just for damage, especially if you're starting it in the corner and don't have to worry about damage scaling.

[Sycho]

I posted this over at the A3 Everything thread, but it probably won't be answered for awhile. So I'm posting it here as well.

I've got a question regarding V-Akuma's demon flip VC where he juggles in the corner once with demon flip, then whiffs a demon flip and reverses direction with a s.fp or s.fk. My problem is that I cannot get the s.fk or s.fp out in time. If I do it too early, Akuma kicks/punches the way he is already facing, if I do it later than that it misses the opponent. Here's an example combo of what I'm trying to do:

on far left or far right side: activate vc2, c.mk c.fk demon flip OTG or c.fk demon flip OTG, s.fk, fp demon flip (kick), s.fp, fp demon flip (kick, now in corner), whiff fp demon flip (kick/normal landing), s.fp/s.fk (reverse direction), continue with OTG or normal demon flip

I've seen this combo done many times and have had it done to me many times. But I have tried it excessively and have had no success. Any help would be much appreciated.

[SaBrE]

you are trying the combo on 2p side right? only 2nd player can do that combo

[Sycho]

Ah, that's the problem, I was trying it on 1P side. Thanks for the help :D

[Sycho]

Agh, I'm having some problems. It's STILL not working, even on 2P side... if it matters, I am playing the first SFA3 CPS2 rom (not the Revision 1 rom either).

I can get a s.lp to connect, but not a s.fk. I've tried getting the opponent as high as possible, as low as possible, everything. In Xerocrew's V-Akuma vid, they even connect a s.fp, which takes about an hour to come out. On top of that, it hits pretty high, with a lot of room for error. My jabs on the other hand are just barely connecting, if connecting at all (opponent is at knee-level when they DO connect). I must be doing something wrong. Either that, or this combo only works on DC...

[Big_Bad_Geif]

it just takes a bitof practice... i had the same problem... u have to do the demon flips kinda fast... and push the punch or kick as soon as you can...

[v-ryu_jimmy]

HELLO ALL! im back:)

if you want, i can make a technical video for lot of character (when start OC, how to escape OC, etc..). then, there will be post on www.thelemmings.net.

please, tell me what kind of strategy you want in it. (i already have some idea. but tell me what you think about).

ps: there were too much post...i couldnt read them all T.T

Ill post this message on all character's thread.

[v-ryu_jimmy]

ps2: maybe it would be good to create a new thread "A3 technical idea" with all your ideas. then, i wont have to check every thread to see what you wrote;)

[Sir-Jabs-Alot]

Great thread! I was waiting for some one to make one before I did :)...

[Apoc]

For those interested, there is a new a3 vegas vid on #gamecombos(efnet) on irc. There isn't any footage like this on V-Akuma anywhere unless it came from Japan. This is the best V-Gouki you'll see this side of Bas.

Apoc.

[GeekBoy]

So far I only know of the one: s.Fierce, Demon Flip Kick, c.Fierce.

I've seen others BAS do, but I don't know how to set those up at all. A little help?

[nE0|_i|_iTh]

Do the normal corner VC and when meter is about to end do a Jab Demon Flip+Body, land and then S.Jab and immediately jump up and hit J.Short. The opponent will either flip and attack (you counter with J.Short) or he won't. Either way you can crouch cancel into J.Fierce twice and then land and do C.Fierce XX Demon Flip ender.

Or while doing the corner VC teleport back with KKK and throw a red Hadoken and do unblockable VC. It's a sort of reset. Beware though, opponent can roll. In that case you can either C.Roundhouse XX Demon Flip + OTG grab or C.Short xx red Hadoken XX Demon Flip etc...

[GeekBoy]

So when you say Jab Demon Flip + Body, does that mean do nothing? Or maybe you're confusing it with the Kick, because when you do the Kick, he sort of does the somersault thing.

[Nibor]

He has a few fairly complicated ones that look flashy and can do a lot of extra damage, depending on how much meter is left and how good you are at his demon flip otg etc.

VC2: do whatever to the corner (i.e. anti-air VC), once your in the corner:

if you have about 50% meter left you can do: s. fierce -> hopkick(whiff) -> red fireball (whiffs while the shadow of the s. fierce hits them to the other side) -> s. fierce -> demonflip + kick -> c. roundhouse (whiff for timing) -> demonflip otg -> b+fierce -> demonflip air grab
super meter should run out sometime during the demonflip otg part. This does seriouse damage.

if you have little meter left you can do: s. fierce -> hopkick(whiff) -> red fireball (whiffs while the shadow of the s. fierce hits them to the other side) -> s. fierce -> demonflip grab
or
s. fierce -> hopkick(whiff) -> red fireball (whiffs while the shadow of the s. fierce hits them to the other side) -> s. fierce -> demonflip + kick -> hopkick -> demonflip grab
it depends on how much meter is left.

on some characters i think you might have to replace the first s. fierce with s. roundhouse (in all of them)

[nE0|_i|_iTh]

Originally posted by GeekBoy
So when you say Jab Demon Flip + Body, does that mean do nothing? Or maybe you're confusing it with the Kick, because when you do the Kick, he sort of does the somersault thing.

Oh sorry, I was talking about the Body Splash, i.e. press kick button.

[Shin-Chan]

I would like to know how do you guys always hit that demon flip in the ground... I mean... it's hard for me to hit..... someone could help me to find a way to make it easier??? I don';t know.. some help for timing or something..... and I accept any other sugestion hehe... thanks

[The Prophitt]

Chun li/Rose is the easiest to land it on. Sakura is the hardest. Just do the grab right before he lands, don't do it early.

[Shin-Chan]

Thanks... but u mean.... the body must be entire in the ground or must be a little before it falls???

And vs chun-li... sometimes change sides and I miss the kicks,, what d I do?

[glass]

imho...

...it's best to practice on Ryu before trying everyone else, since the timing for him is similar to the timing for most of the cast. and in all honesty, i don't bother flipping the girls due to the difference in timing and the side switching.

other things to look out for are Nash's bounce, which is a little higher than other characters'; and i think Birdie (and some characters) can't be hit with a RK after the flip.

it's possible to do this outside V-ism, and imho it helps with the timing; just do a light hurricane kick (more than one hit), land, and use the jab flip. remember to set the dummy recovery to OFF.

[Xenozip.]

The timing for Rose is a little different too, I think.

For Chun-Li:

Wiff a standing SP and cancel it into a hurricane kick (you will change directions).

If you time your standing RK correctly after a demon flip (during a OTG VC), you should be able to hit her.

You could also try whiffing a JP and cancel it into a RK.

[Drunken Master]

Originally posted by Xenozip.

You could also try whiffing a JP and cancel it into a RK.


That doesn't work.. you can't cancel whiffed normals into normals i don't think.

The easiest thing I know against chun, is to do neutral standing roundhouse after the OTG demon flip.

[Xenozip.]

Well, I do know the s.RK works. And, I do know that a whiffed s.SP can be canceled into a hurricane kick, which will change directions and hit her.

I thought the limit on whiffed normals was 1?

Guess not.

Well, anyway you still have 2 options.

Or a third option is to just not do OTG flips on Chun. :p

[KlarKO]

Has anyone got or knows if there is a V-Akuma video tutorial anywhere?

Thanx

[bigbadcod]

Klarko,

I assume your talking about Alpha?

check out www.combovideos.com

:tup:

[KlarKO]

Nope cant find one. Ive got alot of V-Ism videos of him but none really explain in depth or about his tactics ect. I dont usually play him but I wanna learn how just as one of my extra chars (I only play V-chars)

Oh yeah long time no see cod :)

[TS]

Characters like Akuma and Sakura are popular, to the point of being over-used. So, you will find surprisingly little on them here. Sorta like the Dudley/Makoto sections in the 3S forums gets more love than the Chun Li section. At least, that's what I assume.

That's what I'd hope.

So, yeah, video tutorials would be less common, for the same reason.

What did you want to know?

[KlarKO]

Having trouble doing the OTG cc.

From what ive read it goes VC3: c.Forward, c.Roundhouse, Strong Demon Flip, OTG Fierce grab...

I cant seem to grab. Ive been training for weeks now but it just dont connect. It seems like akuma is Demon Flipping too far ahead but when I use Jap Demon Flip he dont go far enough. Any tips?

[TS]

Having trouble doing the OTG cc.

From what ive read it goes VC3: c.Forward, c.Roundhouse, Strong Demon Flip, OTG Fierce grab...

I cant seem to grab. Ive been training for weeks now but it just dont connect. It seems like akuma is Demon Flipping too far ahead but when I use Jap Demon Flip he dont go far enough. Any tips?

You should probably just stick to crouching Roundhouse into Jab demon flip, it's easier. The two things to remember are that you hit the punch button late (right before the little crouching-Forward-looking move would come out, like when you do the demon flip but don't hit a button), and that you pause for about a half a second before you cancel the sweep into the demon flip.

[KlarKO]

Nice one i'll give it a try

[Pryde]

Thread merged together, post your thoughts

[Terry_nb]

Well, could it be that Chun can stop the divekick of Akuma with a jab. o_O

Well, anyone with a list of ground normals, which stop this move in generel?