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Dark Shinryuken
06-23-2004, 11:11 AM
Well King is not bad. People tell me the worst three characters are Dhalsim, Yuri, and King. But IMO King shouldn't even be part of the weaker characters. First off...
King is probably best on N-Groove
Second... It should be modified (EX). The only ability king really needs to make her good however is Super Cancels. Super Cancel one of the command combo's into Silent Flash and its over. Especially if its Level 3.
You guys could probably care less about this one but I haven't posted in a while and im bored so gimme a break :p And oh yeah, king probably only has two good reaches.
Her down+high kick (sliding kick), and her High Kick while standing still. Her high kick is not so good as to knock the enemy before he hits you but its worth it if your looking into quickly killing the enemy back while the both of you damage yourselves at the same time.
Dark Shinryuken
06-23-2004, 11:15 AM
You guys reply fast :p I edited that post cause I forgot to add something.
Hobo-Joe
06-23-2004, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Dark Shinryuken
Well King is not bad. People tell me the worst three characters are Dhalsim, Yuri, and King. But IMO King shouldn't even be part of the weaker characters. First off...
King is probably best on N-Groove
Second... It should be modified (EX). The only ability king really needs to make her good however is Super Cancels. Super Cancel one of the command combo's into Silent Flash and its over. Especially if its Level 3.
You guys could probably care less about this one but I haven't posted in a while and im bored so gimme a break :p And oh yeah, king probably only has two good reaches.
Her down+high kick (sliding kick), and her High Kick while standing still. Her high kick is not so good as to knock the enemy before he hits you but its worth it if your looking into quickly killing the enemy back while the both of you damage yourselves at the same time. Is this a joke??
Shin Ace
06-23-2004, 01:09 PM
It IS quite funny.
Dark Shinryuken
06-23-2004, 01:58 PM
Whats so funny about it? I usually like a pretty good reason before I wonder off about things...
gig4ls
06-23-2004, 08:28 PM
King is not top tier, but she can get there if you just follow these steps:
1) Get a lot of coins...you'll need them cause it increases your chances of beating your opponent.
2) Make sure that you choose ratio 4 King. This means she actually does a lot of damage (compared to a ratio 1 character) and she has more life.
3) Make sure you're playing against the CPU.
If you follow these three simple guidelines, you'll find yourself owning your opponent (the arcade machine) every time.
DevilJin 01
07-06-2004, 05:57 PM
EX is for people with no skills. That's why it's funny.:lol:
Dark Shinryuken
07-28-2004, 10:07 AM
Actually I play K and A groove most of the time and I play better with that than I do with EX groove, the only thing I like about EX is that ability to Super Cancel normal specials into Supers (Im an SNK kinda guy and im used to it cause I play KOF like that alot) The only diffrence between my EX Groove (Which is just an N-Groove with Super Cancel the other EX-Groove i've never edited) is that I can Super Cancel into a MAX super, while I could pretty much do the same thing with while my A-Groove is activate only I can do a level 1. C Groove is worst than that since you can always follow up a Level 1 after a level 2 so theres not really much of a diffrence in between what I do with the EX Groove...
Also, you people rely too much on "Tiers"... "Tiers this Tiers that". It all depends on how you play the game, their are too many strategies involved and you can change them any time during the middle of the game. I've beaten a Blanka player with Dhalsim alone, even when he tried to do nothing but light punches to deflect Dhalsim's stretching attacks I mixed it up with rolling, teleporting and projectiles, and no this person was not a newb because the majority of the time this person is the one beating me.
And yeah King is weak, but all you pretty much have to do is toss the enemy or knock them back and forward into one side of the screen everytime they get close to you, then throw a Double Strike before they get up. Rinse and repeat.
gig4ls
07-28-2004, 05:57 PM
Then you must be a good player, because King has much less going for her than most other characters :(
Dark Shinryuken
07-29-2004, 12:38 PM
Well, I will admit this, her Super Moves suck. Even at Level 3 they dont do that much damage unless she is at a higher ratio. She is kinda like Kyosuke, she dies fast.
Her sliding kick kinda gives her advantage towards going under projectiles as well.
Kore de Owario
08-18-2004, 10:08 AM
I'm hearing King's supers are ineffective. That is incorrect. She is invulnerable to roughly 90% of the moves during her silent flash, which has been the case since kof97. In CvS2, the best grooves to use with her is N and P grooves. She is notorious in CvS series for being weak, but whoever says she is useless is clearly not used to fighting with her in kof.
caliagent#3
08-20-2004, 06:59 AM
I'm hearing King's supers are ineffective. That is incorrect. She is invulnerable to roughly 90% of the moves during her silent flash, which has been the case since kof97. In CvS2, the best grooves to use with her is N and P grooves. She is notorious in CvS series for being weak, but whoever says she is useless is clearly not used to fighting with her in kof.
1.this is not kof
2.Doing random supers against the CPU, and having them hit doesn't mean they are good
3. Since when was she notorius for being weak in the CVS series. As far as i know there are only 2 games, cvs1 and cvs2. In cvs1 she was really good, in cvs2 she isn't. seems 50/50 to me
Kore de Owario
08-21-2004, 09:11 PM
1.this is not kof
2.Doing random supers against the CPU, and having them hit doesn't mean they are good
3. Since when was she notorius for being weak in the CVS series. As far as i know there are only 2 games, cvs1 and cvs2. In cvs1 she was really good, in cvs2 she isn't. seems 50/50 to me
where the fuck did half that shit come from? actually she IS weak (strength wise) in both cvs and cvs 2 - both games yes. yes she is very effective in BOTH games and you only say she isn't because YOU are not used to playing with her in the kof series or at all for that matter and it shows through your comment. i mentioned kof because her moves in this game flow the same (all except her strike), if not better, as in that series. she is and has always been my primary and this is how i know. To answer your comment about that cpu shit you pulled out your ass, you shouldn't speak about what you don't know to be true compadre, i play against reputable human beings, not AI so my comments and strategy is based solely on that.
where the fuck did half that shit come from? actually she IS weak (strength wise) in both cvs and cvs 2 - both games yes. yes she is very effective in BOTH games and you only say she isn't because YOU are not used to playing with her in the kof series or at all for that matter and it shows through your comment. i mentioned kof because her moves in this game flow the same (all except her strike), if not better, as in that series. she is and has always been my primary and this is how i know. To answer your comment about that cpu shit you pulled out your ass, you shouldn't speak about what you don't know to be true compadre, i play against reputable human beings, not AI so my comments and strategy is based solely on that.STFU you SNK newb!:p
Kore de Owario
08-22-2004, 02:19 PM
who are you? don't speak to me.
S7evynStorm
08-26-2004, 05:16 PM
::JALbert posting::
Kore and Dark: Please play me money matches now.
I actually play king....... :confused:
I think she is good. I want to use her in a tournament. :sad: :tup:
People are like........ "Dam I gonna feel bad if U beat me"
Iam like ok..... just play dude!?
What do you guys know with King?(besides her sucking)
Why do everytime I download a japanese vid....... I hear KINGS "Double strike" in the back ground? :wow: :lame:
Iam C groove player. So I like messing with C king.
This is what I know about C groove king.
I use her roll alot. It seems really good. Roll super to level2 cancle all day. :tup: If u miss its pretty save.
I usually super jump back fp... then lk. double strike. :wow:
I try to get them to jump. So I can use the qcf,hcb level 1 super as a Anti air. :pleased:
Also I use her punch throw alot. Its seems really easy to get in with king because of her dash and rolls.
Rc is a must with king. use qcb punch to go threw block strings ending with fireball.
oh yeah..... c.mk is her best normal for punishing. It combos in to qcb fp from any range.
I use (c.lk, close s.lk, rdp .lk) as her B.B close up. I also use it as an empty jump.
After punch throw. super jump.... then "dash" over body...... then do her c.lk, close slk., to rdp lk. BB. If you normal jump then dash..... you will land in front of them.
counter hit "short" leads free to c.mk/close s.mk
King can also link c.lk/c.jabs to close s.mk with out counter hits(funny timing) end close s.mk with Rdp kick. :rolleyes:
(THE) Geese
09-20-2004, 04:11 PM
where the fuck did half that shit come from? actually she IS weak (strength wise) in both cvs and cvs 2 - both games yes. yes she is very effective in BOTH games and you only say she isn't because YOU are not used to playing with her in the kof series or at all for that matter and it shows through your comment. i mentioned kof because her moves in this game flow the same (all except her strike), if not better, as in that series. she is and has always been my primary and this is how i know. To answer your comment about that cpu shit you pulled out your ass, you shouldn't speak about what you don't know to be true compadre, i play against reputable human beings, not AI so my comments and strategy is based solely on that.
You're a DAMN FOOL. She owned the shit out of so many characters in CVS. She can be good in CVS2, but to say that she is VERY effective in CVS2 makes you a DAMN FOOL.
PS. My van is helluva fast.
Th@D@rkOneH@des
09-25-2004, 02:56 PM
King is the shit, I play her all the in A-Groove. I love her customs, they take some practice, but are very easy to do in every situation.
Kore de Owario
10-02-2004, 04:42 PM
You're a DAMN FOOL. She owned the shit out of so many characters in CVS. She can be good in CVS2, but to say that she is VERY effective in CVS2 makes you a DAMN FOOL.
PS. My van is helluva fast.
hmmm this fucko was so thirsty to put his two cents in that he didn't even read the previous posts thoroughly. i said King is weak strength-wise in both cvs and cvs2, meaning more damage is inflicted when she's hit. then i said she is a very effective char in both games. just because you get your ass kicked when you attempt to use her doesn't make her ineffective. gtf outa here with that shit and read thoroughly before you post.
vasAZNion13
10-02-2004, 08:44 PM
hmmm this fucko was so thirsty to put his two cents in that he didn't even read the previous posts thoroughly. i said King is weak strength-wise in both cvs and cvs2, meaning more damage is inflicted when she's hit. then i said she is a very effective char in both games. just because you get your ass kicked when you attempt to use her doesn't make her ineffective. gtf outa here with that shit and read thoroughly before you post.
please stop posting flame bait.
everyone here is pretty much posting really vague theory fighting crap, including you. if you dont' want people to call BS on your posts, post something more specific...if you dont' feel like you know that much, post some "ideas" and let people know that you dont' know if it works for sure. try to refrain from using phrases like "hmm this fucko...", etc.
just for some reference, buktooth rated N-king as the lowest of the low tiers with their best groove. why N-king is better than any of her other groove is beyond me. i think her A groove is pretty good, she has a pretty sick corner custom that you can combo into off trap shot or her qcb+p move(dunnoi the name). but yeah i think king is the worst character in the game. i've been playing her a lot in A-groove recently, i personally find A-kyosuke/raiden/vice a lot more playable than king. she has "decent" normals, but(already mentioned) she has crap supers...
does anyone know if she can combo off jab or short? the onlyl combo i know is like c.fwd/strong xx qcb+p or K.
does anyone know if she can combo off jab or short? the onlyl combo i know is like c.fwd/strong xx qcb+p or K.
(c.lk,close s.lk, Rdp.lk)
c.lp/c.lk, close s.mk/ non counter hit lk.
counter hit c.lp/c.lk......... c.mk
random combos........ c.lk+3 hcb mk....... on stand/large characters?
short short. HK Double strike :pleased:
Kore de Owario
10-03-2004, 11:37 AM
please stop posting flame bait.
everyone here is pretty much posting really vague theory fighting crap, including you. if you dont' want people to call BS on your posts, post something more specific...if you dont' feel like you know that much, post some "ideas" and let people know that you dont' know if it works for sure. try to refrain from using phrases like "hmm this fucko...", etc.
just for some reference, buktooth rated N-king as the lowest of the low tiers with their best groove. why N-king is better than any of her other groove is beyond me. i think her A groove is pretty good, she has a pretty sick corner custom that you can combo into off trap shot or her qcb+p move(dunnoi the name). but yeah i think king is the worst character in the game. i've been playing her a lot in A-groove recently, i personally find A-kyosuke/raiden/vice a lot more playable than king. she has "decent" normals, but(already mentioned) she has crap supers...
does anyone know if she can combo off jab or short? the onlyl combo i know is like c.fwd/strong xx qcb+p or K.
i'll disregard all your opinionated statements except your comment about suggestions. the running ability is necessary to follow up the short venom and double st after guard crush or groggy. N is the easiest to use if you want to do that.
j.round>st.fierce>qcb+p(fury kick)>dp+k(suprise r.), c.short>st.fwd>qcb+jab>dp+k, j.round>c.fwd>dpb+k(trap)>dp+k, j.round>c.short>hcb+short or forward, -guard crush or groggy- qcfqcf+short>run towards>qcb+p>dp+k,
j.fierce>c.short/st.jab/c.jab>dpb+short>dp+k
she's an anti-air and always has been.
vasAZNion13
10-03-2004, 01:23 PM
(c.lk,close s.lk, Rdp.lk)
c.lp/c.lk, close s.mk/ non counter hit lk.
counter hit c.lp/c.lk......... c.mk
random combos........ c.lk+3 hcb mk....... on stand/large characters?
short short. HK Double strike :pleased:
i went to look at the frame data for king. all her links are one frame links. c.lk --> close s.mk is one frame :/
for some reason c.lk --> s.lk is 0 frame link(meaning impossible) but maybe it works if c.lk--->s.lk is like a chain?
i think it's important for A-king to easily combo into her trap shot. it might actually make her worth using if you can do garauteed CC's.
i went to look at the frame data for king. all her links are one frame links. c.lk --> close s.mk is one frame :/
for some reason c.lk --> s.lk is 0 frame link(meaning impossible) but maybe it works if c.lk--->s.lk is like a chain?
i think it's important for A-king to easily combo into her trap shot. it might actually make her worth using if you can do garauteed CC's.
? c.lk ,close s.lk to Rdp lk........ Aint no 0 frame link :confused: It's just like sakura's/yuri's Bnb
c.lk close standing lk to Dragon punch?! :karate:
vasAZNion13
10-03-2004, 06:49 PM
? c.lk ,close s.lk to Rdp lk........ Aint no 0 frame link :confused: It's just like sakura's/yuri's Bnb
c.lk close standing lk to Dragon punch?! :karate:
the frame data book says c.lk = +4 frames
and s.lk has a 4 frame startup :/
i don't get it...
mike729079
10-04-2004, 10:32 PM
king is top tier in snk 1
(THE) Geese
10-09-2004, 12:54 PM
king is top tier in snk 1
no doubt. let's see what makes her good:
1-crazy trip
2-crazy super at lvl1
3-crazy roll, super
4-2 good anti-airs
5-great jumpin rh, and great crossup short
6-ability to combo off fierce throw in corner
7-safe Tornado Kick pressure
8-link lvl1 silent flash off her trip and her slide.
now let's see cvs2 king:
1-trip is not crazy...it's average
2-lvl1 silent flash is average
3-roll is even better...tied for best in game...but since lvl1 supers are blah now...
4-anti-airs are OK...still pretty good
5-jumpins ... below average compared to godly jumpins others have
6-still got it iirc
7-no good nemore since it gets owned by fierce
8-no
GunterJPN
10-09-2004, 11:51 PM
the frame data book says c.lk = +4 frames
and s.lk has a 4 frame startup :/
i don't get it...
It is because that is not a link. It is a chain, and chains don't have anything to do with recovery/startup comparisons.
popoblo
10-10-2004, 01:09 AM
.........and gunter is a fuckin hero with A-king. watching him own people with A-king at evo2k3 was unreal. if you want to learn how to make her a good character, just watch gunter and take notes.
peace
Neo Odin
10-11-2004, 01:09 AM
So gunter makes a-groove king look good huh?
Im guessing he uses her as battery then, I know i used to (a-groove).
I used her a lot until I felt that she wasnt doing anything for me,
that and the fact that I was losing bad to blanka and sagat.
I talked to gunter about king before he changed his sight and stopped posting at shoryuken.
(sheds a tear)
He told me not to quit her but I'd never seen him play king.
Anyway if there are still those who were wondering about kings combos
the only one I was able to find a when i used to play her, that I used frequently was c.lk, s.mk, fk.trap shot. (that connects? yes it does, its done close of course.)
Hey popoblo hows it going, havent been to shoryuken in a while the last thing I posted was when you had a thread for eagle and I added the "free custom if they safe fall after a throw"..
Hope I get to see gunter play king one of these days.
Mummy B, I had no idea...
He will be missed here at shoryuken and I will miss him as well...
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