Maki Moveset and Attributes

[vasAZNion13]

Discuss the character's entire moveset here, including normal moves, special moves, super moves, and all the other miscellaneous stuff like counter attacks, rolls, dodge attacks, jumps, and throws.

Also list attributes such as dizzy count, lifebar points, character size and special hitbox properties.

Once a full movelist including frame data has been provided for the character, this post will be edited to include all of it, with proper credit to the guy who copied all that stuff from the Japanese guide or whatever.

[WindyMan]

Maki's complete command list and frame data at Finest KO.com:

http://www.finestko.com/features/characters/maki/

[No D]

:tup: sweet^^^

[ZenFire]

hehehe, maki is the only profile they have. But a veeeery nice one though. Very thurough. I never knew that the lvl1 720 was invincible all the way to the grab part. But she can still be hit out of it since the active frame is not invincible, right?

EDIT:
actually, I'm sure of it, cus I've seen it happen.

[xc3xc3x]

The link is down: could anyone post it back up?

[yqbd]

what's cr.MP used for?

is there a specific time frame when you can cancel far s.FP to super? while it's in the active frames?

[vasAZNion13]

what's cr.MP used for?

is there a specific time frame when you can cancel far s.FP to super? while it's in the active frames?

you can't "cancel" c.mp into s.hp, but you can "link" it. just to clarify that up.

you get 1 frame to link c.mp into s.hp.(which is as hard as linking two c.lk with blanka) so it's normally not a good idea to rely on that combo.

what i use c.mp for is to cancel into command run/stop for her throw setup.(which is a good way to build bar if you're in any groove except S and K).

i do c.mp after either s.lk or c.lp, since both normals give +3, it gives my opponent 3 frames to throw out a normal(which is barely enough to throw me, so i often get a counter hit on them)

[yqbd]

thanks for the tips.

you can't "cancel" c.mp into s.hp, but you can "link" it. just to clarify that up.


i meant, cancel far standing HP into a Super.

[ZenFire]

WindyMan, the framedata layout is much cleaner now. It looks more like the official guidebook layout now. Nice job.

[vasAZNion13]

i meant, cancel far standing HP into a Super.

whoops, sorry about that, misread the post.

for s.hp xx super, you pretty much have to have a fast wrist. i still don't get the cancel down 100%.

i don't know why this helps, but whenever i do run(f,f), s.fierce xx super, the execution becomes more consistant. i'm not sure if it's a psychological thing where if i run, before i do the combo, then my wrist gets more in the rhythm and i can execute better...OR if it has some crazy properties where you can buffer slightly earlier if you run, s.fierce. try it out though, it might help. if not, you're gonna have to build up your wrist muscle :)(or thumb strength if you play on d-pad)

[yqbd]

does maki have a df.hk command sweep move?

http://www.justdefend.com/charts.htm#Maki shows different frame data for df.hk than c.hk

[vasAZNion13]

does maki have a df.hk command sweep move?

http://www.justdefend.com/charts.htm#Maki shows different frame data for df.hk than c.hk

what the hell is that?

[ZenFire]

It's a mistake, it's framedata for Kyosuke's launcher.

[yyy]

is there any use for s.far mp? pretty much the same as s.far mk, but longer recovery and a bit more dmg. does it have better priority or reach or something?

[vasAZNion13]

is there any use for s.far mp? pretty much the same as s.far mk, but longer recovery and a bit more dmg. does it have better priority or reach or something?

i don't think there's a good enough reason to use s.strong over s.fwd, since the recovery is a big issue. you can use s.strong to be different.

[iKlEiTlH]

i don't think there's a good enough reason to use s.strong over s.fwd, since the recovery is a big issue. you can use s.strong to be different.

vs blocked chunli super: s.mp xx super does more damage than s.mk xx super

you get more hits of the super doing s.mp instead of s.mk. i think the same goes with s.mp and s.hp.

you MIGHT be able to get full damage off of s.hp xx super if you run a bit before activating super, but then you run the risk of mistiming the super and missing the combo.

this is extremely character specific. maki with level 3 kick super vs chunli with any level kick super. i hadn't really tested this with maki's level 1's and 2's.

[Buktooth]

i don't think there's a good enough reason to use s.strong over s.fwd, since the recovery is a big issue. you can use s.strong to be different.
standing strong beats some stuff that standing forward doesn't. like random sagat limbs.

and my maki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other maki in america :tup:

[yyy]

standing strong beats some stuff that standing forward doesn't. like random sagat limbs.

and my maki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other maki in america :tup:
is priority based on how much damage a move does?

and i challenge your maki on xbox live! r4 maki vs r4 maki!

[vasAZNion13]

standing strong beats some stuff that standing forward doesn't. like random sagat limbs.
i haven't seen her s.fwd get beat so badly that you need to resort to s.strong for footsies. whenever i've thrown out s.strong, i feel like my momemtum just hit a sharp turn or something.(probably due to the recovery time).

in situations where s.fwd does get beat, most of the time it was due to me just spamming it a little too much. if i focus one when to throw out s.fwd, it usually never gets beat. but then again, i've never used s.strong...so i'll try out s.strong and see if it's actually worth using.

the problem that i'm worried about is when i finally find out what s.strong does better than s.fwd, maybe they it might not be that much better and it might lose to something else that they may throw out instead. FOR EXAMPLE[this is not true, i made it up completely just for the example]...let's say s.fwd loses to sagat's s.short on occasion, but s.strong beats sagat's s.short clean, however it loses to sagat's s.fwd and c.fierce badly. would you wnat to risk using s.strong against his s.short even though s.fwd can do the job on occasion, to be hit by something else? (alright the reason why i think this example is somewhat valid, is cuz i truly haven't seen s.fwd get beat to the point where even if you focus more on your spacing/timing you'll still lose.) s.fwd is an all-purpose normal for maki. maybe s.strong is useful, i'll try it out more to make sure.


and my maki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other maki in america :tup:
:mad: :tdown:

[iKlEiTlH]

standing strong beats some stuff that standing forward doesn't. like random sagat limbs.

and my maki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other maki in america :tup:

man, you can't claim that until you've accepted and won yyy's challenge. also, i thought me and you were cool and went way back, but i guess it was just your friendly mask. ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[yyy]

join ocgn tourney (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89565)

but also, how do the air cancels work? special and super cancels.

i've canceled and air move by accident into a wall move, not sure how and why it worked.

what can we do with air move xx grab and super grab?

[WindyMan]

but also, how do the air cancels work? special and super cancels.

i've canceled and air move by accident into a wall move, not sure how and why it worked.

what can we do with air move xx grab and super grab?

Air special/super cancels work in the exact same way as ground special/super cancels, though the window to do it is MUCH smaller.

The only reason I can imagine using an air grab or super grab off an air attack cancel is to screw over JDs and parries. It wouldn't make much sense in either case, since if they looked to JD or parry your move in the first place, they would have just as easily been grabbed out of the air.

I totally didn't realize about cancelling the wall jump moves in the air. I'm going to play around with that and see if it's possible to totally fuck someone over in the corner in this way.

[yyy]

finally found out far s.mp doesn't get dp'd like far s.mk does. pretty fun to s.mp someone doing a wakeup dp. i'm guessing that the tonfa can't get hit. what else can i do with the unhittable tonfa? any other tricks besides stuffing dp's? is there anything like this for c.mp?

[Luigi-Bo 87]

I recently saw a video of someone doing a grab on the last hit of Maki's chain combo. I tried to find out how to do it thinking it was the same way as Guy's but no dice. Does anyone know how to do this? Also, I tried using d+HP after the third hit of the chain, and I got a missed throw animation but I was way too far away to get the throw. What up wit dat?

[ZenFire]

it's jsut the timing that's tricky. keep trying it til you get it

[Luigi-Bo 87]

I need avdice on playing K-Maki. I've read ZenFire's guide and most of this thread, but I'm still having trouble soaking it all in.Some things I already know \assume about Maki are:

1. Standing mk is great.
2. It's hard to get someone with her supers.(At least in my opinion.)
3. Crouching hp is good.
4. Her jumping d.mp has good priority, IMO.

Also, is her KKK move as good as people say it is, I'm afraid to use this since it drains health.

Also again, what is good for attacking blocked tatsumakis and such because c.hp isn't working unless I'm doing it too late. Any help would be appriciated.

[ZenFire]

You read my guide? cool =]

I dunno what advice to give you that's overly generic that I didn't already put in my guide. If there's something about a certain matchup, maybe I can help. As for blocked Tatsus and c.hp, I think you mean whiffed tatsus since maki and everyone else can crouch under them. What you do depends on how close to you they land. If it's hk that passes over you I'm thinking maybe hayagake into slide if it's closer, c.mp xx genko or just throw. Maki's throw is really really worth it.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Thanks. I was playing my frined yesterday and he was getting pissed at Maki's pokes. I also learned that standing mp stuffs burning knuckle (sweet!). I guess I just wanted an all-purpose strategy for playing maki since I can't find any good match vids on Youtube.