Daigo VS Jeff Schaefer 1 hour video....and...

[LAAkuma]

Since I was such good friends and a good competitor of Kuni Funata, so long ago. LONG time ago, I asked him if he could invite Daigo over to play some AE edition VS me.

First off, I have to thank Gerald Abraham, Mike Watson, Shirts, and Jason Wilson for warming me up so that I could gain some form back. I learned alot. Like 360's suck, and Super turbo characters are really dominant. I did mediocre. BUt then it happened. I starting feeling good, and starting beating watson about half the time with the OG style I used to have. At first, when jason, and Shirts were there I had to ask Mike to "let us poor mortals have a chance" because he was mopping everyone like nothing! Damn Mike..the guy is a legend. But then my ego kicked in, and I started playing supremely with GUILE and Super turbo old Sagat.

Guile felt like he had been there all along, I have mastered that character. Old Sagat, so so. But decent. I missed alot of uppercuts from the stiff joysticks.

So Daigo comes over, and we start playing.

I will list my character first, and his second. Like Ken VS Ryu I would be KEN.

1) Sagat VS ST Ryu I won probably the majority of this matchup. he plays alot like the style of Tomo and Thomas from a long time ago....which is also, my style too, almost exactly. This style we both employed is a strategy of "never jump forward" or don;t try to. So we might have done it 1-2 times a round. With Sagat you want to pound him with fireballs, force him to spin kick over it, and or jump forward, and when he jumps is free, just trip him when he lands....he can;t block. Jump roundhouse right away hits spin kick. Its a lock for Sagat.
Guile VS ST Ryu. damn, this guy is good. Similar to Tomo, in that everytime I push low forward and I make the mistake of not touching his body...I get tripped. And this game is FAST. So he is like Tomo in that respect, and Mike. I won the majority of these matches too, with a series of strategic traded hits and jumping up over alot of his fireballs. Of course, I got he lead out and broke out the OG style cheating method and threw him quite a few times, as he threw me quite a few times. I felt good, this was the best match.
Blanka VS ST RYU: man, ST Ryu is not like Hyper Ryu. ST Ryu just murders blanka. Blanka is not a good character anymore....he really isn't. I thought he would be good, but he SUCKS. He sucks VS Super turbo Chun Li too, as Wilson demonstrated. No priority, no super thats decent, and on and on. Daigo was unreal man. He is one of the only people on earth that can execute moves on the top top level. Like for example, short, short, short then super? Or short, short uppercut? All from ducking? Thats great.
Sagat VS ST DJ. Hes pretty good at that match, but I got the timing down really good and know the match. I know when to throw the fireballs and when to hesitate. So I got him there.
Guile VS ST OG Satat: Incredibly, I got him a few games with my Guile VS his Sagat. I know that match beyond belief from Tomo doing it to me all day. I could not beat Tomo's guile with Sagat either. But its wierd. I could beat the living shit out of Thomas Osakli's Guile with Sagat. Daigo didn't know the match as good as I did, but he did some crazy crap in there thats just nuts. His uppercut timing is flawless.
Sagat VS ST M.Bison. It was close, but he got me. He had some crazy ass combo's and stuff, flying around perfectly, good player.

We went back and forth for about an hour? maybe 45 minutes? Long time. about 25 games. I have to watch the video see how many times I lost.

I watched the videos on here before I went down there, and it looked like I was playing myself. he plays exactly the same,e xcept when he hits you, he does better combo's than I do. Hes very technical. He is what I call a "king" turtler" which is how Thomas was, and Tomo. They get the lead, sit back, don;t jump forward, and just eat you up. I was AMAZED at this guys patience. I was pissing him off with OG sagat, just tiger, tiger, tiger, forever for like 30 seconds straight, and he was losing by like a sliver. And he didn;t jump forward until time was running out, and then even then, it was perfectly timed.

So there you have it. I came into good form when it counted, and did really well to represent the OG USA player.

When you guys see the video's it will be fun to watch. Your all going to laugh, we both played super turtle style and carefull. Felt like a tournament in 1992 again.

Jeff

[ShinjiGohan]

is this going to be capped and uploaded?

[danomyte]

is there a link?:o

[BEWD]

Originally posted by danomyte
is there a link?:o


^^ agreed,I'd love to see this as well,any links?:p

[Hoonyo]

wow old school

[Juicy G]

Was daigo playing on american Joysticks or his own stick?

[Shirts]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
Since I was such good friends and a good competitor of Kuni Funata, so long ago. LONG time ago, I asked him if he could invite Daigo over to play some AE edition VS me.

First off, I have to thank Gerald Abraham, Mike Watson, Shirts, and Jason Wilson for warming me up so that I could gain some form back. I learned alot. Like 360's suck, and Super turbo characters are really dominant. I did mediocre. BUt then it happened. I starting feeling good, and starting beating watson about half the time with the OG style I used to have. At first, when jason, and Shirts were there I had to ask Mike to "let us poor mortals have a chance" because he was mopping everyone like nothing! Damn Mike..the guy is a legend. But then my ego kicked in, and I started playing supremely with GUILE and Super turbo old Sagat.

Guile felt like he had been there all along, I have mastered that character. Old Sagat, so so. But decent. I missed alot of uppercuts from the stiff joysticks.

So Daigo comes over, and we start playing.

I will list my character first, and his second. Like Ken VS Ryu I would be KEN.

1) Sagat VS ST Ryu I won probably the majority of this matchup. he plays alot like the style of Tomo and Thomas from a long time ago....which is also, my style too, almost exactly. This style we both employed is a strategy of "never jump forward" or don;t try to. So we might have done it 1-2 times a round. With Sagat you want to pound him with fireballs, force him to spin kick over it, and or jump forward, and when he jumps is free, just trip him when he lands....he can;t block. Jump roundhouse right away hits spin kick. Its a lock for Sagat.
Guile VS ST Ryu. damn, this guy is good. Similar to Tomo, in that everytime I push low forward and I make the mistake of not touching his body...I get tripped. And this game is FAST. So he is like Tomo in that respect, and Mike. I won the majority of these matches too, with a series of strategic traded hits and jumping up over alot of his fireballs. Of course, I got he lead out and broke out the OG style cheating method and threw him quite a few times, as he threw me quite a few times. I felt good, this was the best match.
Blanka VS ST RYU: man, ST Ryu is not like Hyper Ryu. ST Ryu just murders blanka. Blanka is not a good character anymore....he really isn't. I thought he would be good, but he SUCKS. He sucks VS Super turbo Chun Li too, as Wilson demonstrated. No priority, no super thats decent, and on and on. Daigo was unreal man. He is one of the only people on earth that can execute moves on the top top level. Like for example, short, short, short then super? Or short, short uppercut? All from ducking? Thats great.
Sagat VS ST DJ. Hes pretty good at that match, but I got the timing down really good and know the match. I know when to throw the fireballs and when to hesitate. So I got him there.
Guile VS ST OG Satat: Incredibly, I got him a few games with my Guile VS his Sagat. I know that match beyond belief from Tomo doing it to me all day. I could not beat Tomo's guile with Sagat either. But its wierd. I could beat the living shit out of Thomas Osakli's Guile with Sagat. Daigo didn't know the match as good as I did, but he did some crazy crap in there thats just nuts. His uppercut timing is flawless.
Sagat VS ST M.Bison. It was close, but he got me. He had some crazy ass combo's and stuff, flying around perfectly, good player.

We went back and forth for about an hour? maybe 45 minutes? Long time. about 25 games. I have to watch the video see how many times I lost.

I watched the videos on here before I went down there, and it looked like I was playing myself. he plays exactly the same,e xcept when he hits you, he does better combo's than I do. Hes very technical. He is what I call a "king" turtler" which is how Thomas was, and Tomo. They get the lead, sit back, don;t jump forward, and just eat you up. I was AMAZED at this guys patience. I was pissing him off with OG sagat, just tiger, tiger, tiger, forever for like 30 seconds straight, and he was losing by like a sliver. And he didn;t jump forward until time was running out, and then even then, it was perfectly timed.

So there you have it. I came into good form when it counted, and did really well to represent the OG USA player.

When you guys see the video's it will be fun to watch. Your all going to laugh, we both played super turtle style and carefull. Felt like a tournament in 1992 again.

Jeff

Schafer, it was very fun playing you...it felt like World's Finest even though back in the day I was playing Mk while you guys played Sf there.

We definitely need to play more. Are you going tonight? Just let me know.

[Devil X]

Originally posted by Juicy G
Was daigo playing on american Joysticks or his own stick?

american. he seemed to have trouble doing charge moves, but his ryu seemed smooth

[DeAdSpAcE]

So when are we going to see this thing?

[Apoc]

Fuck all yall for not waiting until Thursday to play. That's all I came here to say. Oh! Good sh*t, Jeff. OGCali representin'.

Apoc.

[Crayfish]

Oh WOW, can't wait to see this vid. This is like my dream come true (almost), Old School US master out of retirement against Diago!!!!
Gutted to hear HF Blanka doesn't hold his own nowdays but cant wait to see CE Guile vs ST Ryu. Would have loved to see HF Ryu vs ST Ryu, HK thru Super n all that, do you play HF Ryu Jeff?

[archetype]

Damn that sounds tight. I hope ur entering ST at EVO

peace

SKJ

[Apoc]

Originally posted by archetype
Damn that sounds tight. I hope ur entering ST at EVO

peace

SKJ

Yeah, what up with that? Time to throw down! Thomas Osaki came to Evo2k2. It's time you made an appearance in the tourney, Jeff! Thomas' comeback failed to make real story. Maybe you can make the finals! THAT would be a story.

Apoc.

[Devil X]

from what i remember, i watch about the last 15 matches or so. daigo in the beginning seemed to play like whatever, using a bunch of non serious characters like bison, thawk , deejay etc. that jeff guy wasnt messin around though, and was winning most of these games with champion edition? guile. then i think daigo beat his guile with ssft deejay, then jeff switched to sagat (i think ssf2 version) and fireballed daigo to death. i think that got him kinda pissed, and he switched to ssft ryu and went on a bit of a streak. he beat jeffs sagat, blanka, rog. then jeff switched back to championship edition guile again and beat daigos ryu, sagat , rog? and then it was over. good matches, jeff seemed like he knew the match ups a bit more than daigo, but daigos a beast and his execution and combos are insane. good stuff

[Cable3858]

where is the vid?

[stream3]

why not just play ST instead of AE???

[Apoc]

Originally posted by stream3
why not just play ST instead of AE???

I don't care what anyone says. ST is IN AE and AE has a little extra. I've only played it once but, if the core of ST is in there, I'd take AE...minus WW mode. The options are just better.

Apoc.

[Iron Fists]

Where's the vid son? :p

The matches sound cool.

[LAAkuma]

Originally posted by Devil X
from what i remember, i watch about the last 15 matches or so. daigo in the beginning seemed to play like whatever, using a bunch of non serious characters like bison, thawk , deejay etc. that jeff guy wasnt messin around though, and was winning most of these games with champion edition? guile. then i think daigo beat his guile with ssft deejay, then jeff switched to sagat (i think ssf2 version) and fireballed daigo to death. i think that got him kinda pissed, and he switched to ssft ryu and went on a bit of a streak. he beat jeffs sagat, blanka, rog. then jeff switched back to championship edition guile again and beat daigos ryu, sagat , rog? and then it was over. good matches, jeff seemed like he knew the match ups a bit more than daigo, but daigos a beast and his execution and combos are insane. good stuff

You got it right. I think I kinda hit a nerve with him when I was OG sagat VS his Deejay. I worked him like nothing. I think he had some emotion when I got a few throws offensively with Sagat. Nobody does that. LOL.

Yeah, then I had a few games where we both had 0 health and he got the final hit with a super, and then I got a few games when I had no health.

Then I used Guile, and at the end, he was trying pretty hard and he really couldn't beat me with anyone. I think I tought his Ryu/Sagat/Bison a hard lesson with my style of Guile. Or rather, the Jeff schaefer VERSION of TOMO's guile, that I just copied.

I think I knew the matches better than him, but damn, did you see him go to work comboing me when he even touched me?

I was in awe. I was dazzled a few times in our match. Shook my head a few times when I was playing Blanka. For example...

I usually kick people's asses VS HF Ryu with Blanka. I jump up over every fireball, and its like you can't touch me. Daigo? is he going to fall for that cheap shit?

I BARELY leave the ground, and he is already juggling me in the air with that ST Strong thing, then im in the corner, and its time to throw Schaefer into subbmission and when 1 low short hits, its death time.

Damn...No more Blanka for me, thanks! ROFL. Thats why I picked Guile. I sensed his weakness was my style of play. I played just like him, I turtled. However, he didn't expect me to know the offensive game as well as I do, and I tossed him several, several times in some skilled exchanges where the throw was hard to get. I even air tossed him out of a spin kick once, early on in the matches.

I was wondering what he was thinking when he picked Sagat VS my guile. I guess he didn't know USA players like me know that Guile dominates that match overall. If guile plays with only 1 mistake a round, its like impossible for Sagat. You can pound him with fierce from like 4 inches away everytime he throws a tiger!

Its going to look pretty funny on the video's because everytime I toss him or trip him youll notice I got right next to him with guile, and then he uppercutted me 100% of the time.

I would have done low forward, standing strong, standing blade kick on him the 10x I tried it, but he was 10 for 10 on wake up uppercuts and throws.

because he has mad skills. I format the video's on Sunday, then I will display them for you all.

I will not be at the Evo thing. I am and old school player, not a ST player. If they had a tournament on CE, HF or Super, I would be hard to beat, (maybe) but ST? I just don;t know the characters well enough.

Shirts could beat me 10 out of 10 right now on that game probably, and so Could most good players. I would have to practice it for a month or so, and since AE is out, I see no purpose.

I don"t play to be famous, or to impress anyone. Even though I have won more tournaments in my life than everyone with the exception of maybe 1-2 people in the USA, I will let my record speak for itself. Practice breeds would have, could have, should have talk. People can work me in practice all day. Come time for tournament, I play real and I always was at the Top.

Thanks, please e-mail me (the hoster of vids) sales@importbuilders.com

So I can tell you where to DL them from, and you can host them up after Sunday

Jeff

[rocketJAM]

tite

[NKI]

I can provide a mirror for the vid in case the first host gets overwhelmed. Check your PMs, Jeff.


-Nicholai!

[ShinjiGohan]

I could put it on my streamload account as well.

[shoryukenH2]

Hosted up after Sunday? Damn that's a long time to make us wait after putting up such an interesting post.

[archetype]

Damn thats too bad you aren't going to Evo, if they put AE would you consider it maybe next year?

peace

SKJ

[LAAkuma]

I don't know if I woudl consider it. I mean I am married, have a 3 year old son, run a business full time, which I own, I have alot of responsibility.

Its like people think that I just can "come back" and be as good as I used to be in like 1 hour. haha. I don;t know what people expect.

AE is still really difficult for me. I never got into ST and I don;t know that game. I have to learn it. That takes alot of time. Time I don't have.

I love AE because if you stick to SF2, CE, HF and Super Characters, I got it pretty well handled except for a few off the wall characters nobody plays and a few other things.

Like I said, I don't see why people like ST so much, that is the game that RUINED SF for good. You guys can't see that? I mean seriously, people are blind to that FACT.

Its like the difference in foreign policy between democrats and republicans. thats like the grand DIVIDE there is in ST.

I hate the game, personally. Its stupid as hell. To proove my point, watch the games with me and Daigo and notice the TONE of the match when he doesn't have SUPER, then notice the TONE when he HAS the super. And vice versa.

When he gets the super, or I do, there is alot of NOTHING going on, and people end up just sitting there waiting.

Wow, thats great entertainment. Did you know if your Balrog you can land ALL 5 super punches with Balrog VS Sagat from length of the screen? Thats awesome isn't it? not.

How about Hyper Fighting. Like Ryu VS Guile. You can't just sit back with a lead and think you got it won, you got to use SKILL to get inside, and get the health back! With all skill. And thats what makes the elite players elite. Fighting back with less health, with no super BS to win.

In ST, you can get "lucky" and guess when somebody does something, and do your super and "maybe" take off 50%.

Thats not all skill.

Like in HF, you are 100% not going to win by luck with some nonsense VS Ryu or Guile turtling in the game VS you. Your going to have to execute advanced moves to even get close.

In ST, you can get close, then "pause" then do a super...its almost 50% of the time, the other guy "might: stick something out, or jump, or just plain old block....And the SUper can also be used to GET you in a superior playing position, which even if it doesn't hit, can lead to a win.

ST sucks. I will never think its good, Tomo hates it too, we are in the minority, but fuck it, thats how we feel.

Funny thing was, I took Tomo to play A2 once. As soon as I hit him with the first Chun Li low forward Alpha Counter he said "take me home, this is fucking stupid" LOL and I agree...

it might be "fun" to play, but its not serious....

Jeff

[archetype]

Yeah bro, I see what you mean regarding your family and business. Those require your time way more than SF does. family >> SF.

I think that HF and ST are both good games. I know the game changed for a lot of guys when supers were added to the mix, it turned a lot of people off. CvS2 to me is a very meter oriented game and very complex because of it.

Its tight that you still could hold your own in AE against Daigo tho.

Ill keep my eye out for those vids.

peace

SKJ

[deadly_magneto]

Originally posted by ShinjiGohan
I could put it on my streamload account as well.


wow u got streamload account also? Pm when u get it so i can send u my streamload account.

[Antos]

Wow.....the memories....

It brings a tear to my ear even when I hear the word "World's Finest"....

Too bad I was too poor to play in more than a couple of tourneys there..

I'll never forget Thomas Osaki(sp), Watson, Tomo, or Tim..... (I met Thomas for the first time, in YEARS, at evo2k2....)

......Some things never change.......

...........and some things do .......

Personally, I didn't like ST that much, either. Part of that deals with Super SF,
I felt that some characters were completely nerfed from HF --> Super SF (Blanka, anyone?) Plus some other issues (but I really liked Chun getting her CE ground priority back...Ryu jump at Chun= free hit for her :)--and then she lost her priority AGAIN in ST (O.chun still has most of the SSF2 priority, while N.Chun's priority was reduced to barely above HF levels-- Big Thanks go to Seth Killian for pointing this out at evo2k2, when I was stuffing Bison with O.chun moves that he would get hit out of, when he was new chun....)

it was still a very good game...I did enjoy SSF2, even though it felt like a really strange version of Champion Edition.... HF was pure fun in some matchups; SSF2 seemed like more work...

True, everyone is 'good' in ST, but in my opinion, Super SF took more true skill to win than ST with its supers... The super system simply didn't "belong" in that type of fighting engine (compare it to the newer games, where it makes sense...)..as said in above replies, the 'nature' of the game changes completely. (very logical why some veterans hated it). Being held helpless by someone with meter is less fun than being corner trapped classically... it took great skill to get out of a corner trap...but an "attack and lose 50% life trap"? uh uh.....

One thing about ST I did like: I loved how old chars inherited the new "cancels" of the new chars...this affected Chun Li positively more than anyone else, due to her style (it made her much stronger), though it was rediculous that old Sagat could do the same thing....like he really needed that @_@

[Robyrt]

Great post. If my bandwidth weren't already getting raped I'd host the vid too.

When I show my non-SF-playing friends the Evo DVDs, they all just want to see Watson and Daigo, because they're simply more visually impressive. Funny how experience translates into awesomeness. :-P

[Richard]

Yeah, I don't see why people hate on Super SF2: NC so much, myself... there was (and is) nothing wrong with it at all..
Originally posted by LAAkuma
To proove my point, watch the games with me and Daigo and notice the TONE of the match when he doesn't have SUPER, then notice the TONE when he HAS the super. And vice versa.

How about Hyper Fighting. Like Ryu VS Guile. You can't just sit back with a lead and think you got it won, you got to use SKILL to get inside, and get the health back! With all skill. And thats what makes the elite players elite. Fighting back with less health, with no super BS to win.

In ST, you can get "lucky" and guess when somebody does something, and do your super and "maybe" take off 50%.

Thats not all skill.

Like in HF, you are 100% not going to win by luck with some nonsense VS Ryu or Guile turtling in the game VS you. Your going to have to execute advanced moves to even get close.
Heheh. I said all this about 3 months ago and got shouted down. LOL.

www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=59316#post1481378

I wonder how many people will change their minds now that a respected name has said the same thing.

[Toshin]

I don't think it would be a problem getting MRJamie, GFB, or gcc to host a video these days just get in contact with soemone

[Muskau]

I was just wondering if there was ever a Wacky Japanese SFA3 tourney where the machine was in Classical mode? I wonder if that would be any fun. Though I suppose people would just say why not play HF or something eh?

[Jion_Wansu]

Originally posted by Muskau
I was just wondering if there was ever a Wacky Japanese SFA3 tourney where the machine was in Classical mode? I wonder if that would be any fun. Though I suppose people would just say why not play HF or something eh?

what's classical mode?

[tsubame]

N-ism.

aka the no super, no guard bar mode.

[margalis]

LAAkuma is hardly the first person to say that ST supers are retarded. I have a lot of problems with ST:

A bunch of chars got air defense easy-mode moves.
Supers.
Throw softening.

Throw softening I don't care that much about, mostly because it makes my bite-tastic Blanka that much better comparitively.

The supers are messed up, in part because they are too easy to get, too invulnerable and too much damage, and in part because they vary so much in effectiveness.

With Blanka I can build up 4 supers in a round, and then what? Use it for block damage then get hit back?

The easy mode air defense really annoys me. Not every character needs an anti-air special!

---

The big problem with SSF2 was the speed. There are some nice things about ST (new moves mostly) but I would rather play HF any day.

[Yansoma]

HF>ST

[Antos]

HF owns.
In fact, SSF2 > ST, in my opinion, besides from the speed. (HF speed is perfect, SSF2 is too slow, ST on "Turbo 1" felt *exactly* like HF.
T3 is rediculous...i mean, I can hardly do Chun's lightning kick with forward easily, due to the game being too fast, WTF...I don't need carpel from having to mash the button that fast@_@


The only thing i 'miss' from the ST version, compared to SSF2, is that old chars in ST can cancel the same normals that new chars could do, which makes some old chars much better than they were in SSF2 (biggest example is Chun...her fireball far more deadly); I would for that reason, rather play O.char vs O.char in ST than normal SSF2.

[Lex]

Originally posted by LAAkuma

In ST, you can get "lucky" and guess when somebody does something, and do your super and "maybe" take off 50%.

Thats not all skill.

Like in HF, you are 100% not going to win by luck with some nonsense VS Ryu or Guile turtling in the game VS you. Your going to have to execute advanced moves to even get close.

In ST, you can get close, then "pause" then do a super...its almost 50% of the time, the other guy "might: stick something out, or jump, or just plain old block....And the SUper can also be used to GET you in a superior playing position, which even if it doesn't hit, can lead to a win.

ST sucks. I will never think its good, Tomo hates it too, we are in the minority, but fuck it, thats how we feel.



WISDOM!!

this is exactly what I start bitching about w/ "street fighter" style games that have supers.

"Look I can do two fireball motions, hit a button, and win!"

This is one big reason why I swear by UMK3: everything is manual, no canned high priority multi-hit bullshit. You have to do every hit with timing and tactic. Theres nothing you can bank on other than your fighting skill.

Jeff... need I ask what you think of third strike? =\

[DaliPicard]

Originally posted by Yansoma
HF>ST

Agreed

[SmoothCat]

i want to see the vid gotdamn it

[Rockstarboy37]

Me 2 and also, i want to get street fighter anniversry to see what your all talking about because i haven't played every edition of these games

[LAAkuma]

SF3 is the worst series of SF in history. Period. Ever. Retarded.

As soon as somebody jumped on my head, parried my UPPERCUT, and then supered me, I knew it was stupid as hell...

get punished for doing a move that supposed to be invincible, through using superior strategy AND STILL LOSE?

Freaking stupid as hell.

[stream3]

lol, don't hate cuz you can't adapt to a different game.

sf1 was shittier :P

[ocelot_357]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
SF3 is the worst series of SF in history. Period. Ever. Retarded.

As soon as somebody jumped on my head, parried my UPPERCUT, and then supered me, I knew it was stupid as hell...

get punished for doing a move that supposed to be invincible, through using superior strategy AND STILL LOSE?

Freaking stupid as hell.

Parring requires skill also. Requires timing and reflexes. If it bothers you, parry to super back.

p.s. This is not a flame. ^_^

[ShinjiGohan]

SF3 requires skill with the parries, and the stragety goes beyond classic fireball traps, and forces you to evolve your stragety.

Now whats your opinion of SFEX, EX2+ and EX3 ^.^

[LAAkuma]

You guys mis-understand completely.

I will make my point even stronger.

I am playing Akuma. Your playing Yun/yang? From SF3.

You jump on my head. I try and jab uppercut.

You parry it, and then you do your 60% combo on me.

Lets see...I did a good move, based on sound strategy, which would have taken off 20% health, and I get paid back by TAKING 60% health for doing what I SHOULD HAVE DONE???

Unless somebody is actually going to argue when somebody jumps on my head I should NEVER uppercut, and just block, then my case is undisputed, and it prooves the game is stupid.

I was watching 3rd strike yesterday. A guy did a rushing move at this necro character....

The necro guy parried, then supered him, then like juggled him like 3 times and took off about 60%? Somthing like that?

What is the guy supposed to do? NEver RUSH with Dudley EVER?? I mean thats his only damn move! And so you have:

Don;t parry and take 1 block pixel damage VS parrying and dishing out 60% and having superior position.

GEE, thats a GOOD GAME! You guys are right, I should just adapt and accept it.

haha. You got to be kidding.

Jeff

[ocelot_357]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
You guys mis-understand completely.

I will make my point even stronger.

I am playing Akuma. Your playing Yun/yang? From SF3.

You jump on my head. I try and jab uppercut.

You parry it, and then you do your 60% combo on me.

Lets see...I did a good move, based on sound strategy, which would have taken off 20% health, and I get paid back by TAKING 60% health for doing what I SHOULD HAVE DONE???

Unless somebody is actually going to argue when somebody jumps on my head I should NEVER uppercut, and just block, then my case is undisputed, and it prooves the game is stupid.

I was watching 3rd strike yesterday. A guy did a rushing move at this necro character....

The necro guy parried, then supered him, then like juggled him like 3 times and took off about 60%? Somthing like that?

What is the guy supposed to do? NEver RUSH with Dudley EVER?? I mean thats his only damn move! And so you have:

Don;t parry and take 1 block pixel damage VS parrying and dishing out 60% and having superior position.

GEE, thats a GOOD GAME! You guys are right, I should just adapt and accept it.

haha. You got to be kidding.

Jeff

Theres a thing called baiting parrys. He jumps expecting you to uppercut, you uppercut, he parrys.(just like it sounds you were baited.) so instead don't throw anything out and when he lands throw him. That will make him re-think his strategy and you might be able to uppercut him NEXT time. I know you're an old school player, but don't be close minded theres a reason 937987943974837 players play cvs2, marvel, 3s, ggxx.(I feel ggxx has the most gimmicks)

[ShinjiGohan]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
You guys mis-understand completely.

I will make my point even stronger.

I am playing Akuma. Your playing Yun/yang? From SF3.

You jump on my head. I try and jab uppercut.

You parry it, and then you do your 60% combo on me.

Lets see...I did a good move, based on sound strategy, which would have taken off 20% health, and I get paid back by TAKING 60% health for doing what I SHOULD HAVE DONE???

Unless somebody is actually going to argue when somebody jumps on my head I should NEVER uppercut, and just block, then my case is undisputed, and it prooves the game is stupid.

I was watching 3rd strike yesterday. A guy did a rushing move at this necro character....

The necro guy parried, then supered him, then like juggled him like 3 times and took off about 60%? Somthing like that?

What is the guy supposed to do? NEver RUSH with Dudley EVER?? I mean thats his only damn move! And so you have:

Don;t parry and take 1 block pixel damage VS parrying and dishing out 60% and having superior position.

GEE, thats a GOOD GAME! You guys are right, I should just adapt and accept it.

haha. You got to be kidding.

Jeff

The person still has the time it correctly to parry. So you can do something to throw off his timing (if he was baiting you to DPing then you could have done something different, ducking at the last moment and throw out a c.lp, similar to Guile ducking under a j.hp from Ken in SSF2 where guile ducks throws a c.mp and throws Ken when he lands for free).

Think of this as punishment for doing the samething over and over again so the opponent figures out a way against it. As a great OG player, do you really believe that forcing you to not play the same over and over again is really bad? Example: back when the DP was still invincible, should someone complain that they got hit with a DP when they jumped in? No, they had to develop strageties against it (like not jumping in as much and developing a better ground game like you have). Was his tactic rewarding to him? Sure, but you're just as capable of dealing as much damage back, with your superior ground game you probably got in a lot of single hits or short combos. Had you practiced the game more you could have developed some decent combos to exploit all of the opponents you forced the opponent into.

We're not saying your wrong, its just that strageties for SF games have to evolve, otherwise what is the point of coming out with a new SF game? The casual view that SF hasn't changed a bit from SF2WW would then be proven correct, and that all releases are just quick rehashes to get some quick bucks. So introducing new game mechanics (which on some levels can be broken), forces players to learn more, and tries to eliminate that view that any SF game is the same as the next SF game. Aside from that, you can take great pride in knowing that whenever one of these new players that started in the VS series or whatever tries to get back to the roots of SF, they'll get their ass kick badly because they don't know the ground games and that they rely too much on supers to bail them out.

[watson]

lol@jeff... im reading this for the first time cause someone told me you said you beat me.... how funny... you are a friend and i dont wanna disrespect you, but cmon now... i got a ton of perfects on you and everyone else... i know you are excited to get back in the game and all, but lets not get ridiculous man. alot of people were there, they saw me destroy everyone, including, yes you buddy. i dont wanna brag, i dont wanna hate, but dont say you beat me please.... honesty is tight, handing out ass whoopings is fun, but stepping on others is uncalled for bro...

peace.
watts

and btw, bison losses to ken and ryu. one crossup = death :)
and guile hahah

[tsubame]

I have to agree with Jeff on the parries.

reason I don't play SF3 at all.

you can say the person DP'ing is predictable, but basically, mindless jumping will get you ahead if you can parry 1/3 the time and can combo.

Risk/Reward is all in the favor of the jumper, making ground game knowledge useless.

[Muskau]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
SF3 is the worst series of SF in history. Period. Ever. Retarded.


Was SF3 even supposed to be an SF in the first place? I mean they weren't planning of putting Ryu and Ken in originally I heard. And the only thing linking the two series was going to be some weak ass statement from capcom about Sean being taught by Ken, and Alex kicking Balrogs butt.

I mean without StreetFighter in the title, you probably would have never known SF3 beta was an SF game.

[Muskau]

Originally posted by tsubame
I have to agree with Jeff on the parries.

reason I don't play SF3 at all.

you can say the person DP'ing is predictable, but basically, mindless jumping will get you ahead if you can parry 1/3 the time and can combo.

Risk/Reward is all in the favor of the jumper, making ground game knowledge useless.

I dunno, anti-air isn't what it was in older SF's, once you get past the:

I jump-in > they DP > I parry and combo vs. I jump-in > they do nothing > we tech throw on landing.

then it turns into a higher level guessing game, one that is dependant on a number of factors, such as whether you know their playstyle, whether you have fast enough reactions, whether you know their character, and whether you can pressure a response.

Then things change into something like:

I jump-in, they whiff jab, I attempt parry, they sweep.
I jump-in, they dash under me in the air, throw/combo on landing.
I jump-in, they anti-air with normal, I parry, they cancel into EX/super.

All these factors add up to a very stupid jump-in game, which is why I try to stay on the ground as much as possible, unless I can be sure I've pressured the opponent enough for a baited response on a jump-in. People tend to go to what they know best when they panic. So it goes back to parrying a DP.

Saying that though, the ground game is only slightly less random. :lol:

[Maxstah]

Random Reading of this thread but i must put in my 2cents cuz i'm a Old ass player like yerself but yer just looking at this whole sf3 thing from a point of view of a OG sf2 player. Other guys are right you just didn't progress from that old sf2 mentality, Things changed in every game and u can't put sf2 priorities , abilities and techniques in a game that isn't meant to be played THAT way. I understand you don't like it but just because it doesn't work the way it works in sf2 does not make it "wrong" or "stupid". Its just not your choice of a SF game. For me it was the same thing from A2 to A3 where to me the whole Flip out in the air crap destoryed the normal sf2 flow for me and i pretty much called my SF playing days over at that time. It all comes down to each their own. I personally prefer No limit hold em poker tournies over anything SF has to offer right now.

[HoneyBBQGrundle]

Every fighting game I've played is stupid when you think about it. Whether it's OG with Guile crouching and waiting to do one of 2 moves, or Blanka doing electricity through an invincible super, it still makes no sense. Besides, how is a dp even supposed to work? Wouldn't he just break his fucking arm? Just don't think about it and it's much better

Oh yeah, we need the vid!

[Muskau]

Well these other people are right, these different street fighter games are :eek: *gasp* :eek: different.

In SF2: I Jump-in, they DP, I fall down

In SFA3: I jump-in, they DP, I airblock or VC activate depending

In SF3: I jump-in, they parry/dash under/throw/bait

[Jaime]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
SF3 is the worst series of SF in history. Period. Ever. Retarded.

As soon as somebody jumped on my head, parried my UPPERCUT, and then supered me, I knew it was stupid as hell...

get punished for doing a move that supposed to be invincible, through using superior strategy AND STILL LOSE?

Freaking stupid as hell.

Sorry the game isn't as mechanical as ST or whatever game you play most. Sorry you have to THINK before you do things, and not just be like, he jumped in, dp. I love street fighter 3 because it takes serious skill to be a top player. You can't just learn rules like "Don't jump forward, or try" and know some fireball traps to be good. You have to know your opponenet, inside and out, to know when it's safe to dragon punch, and when it's better to parry, making the game much harder/funner than all the old SFs. For me, all the SF2 games were fun yes, but thrid strike blows them away, simply because I have to think more, and it's not as mechanical as old SF2 games. But you seem like a very closed minded person, who only likes games because you are good at them already.

As for your Dudley Vs. Necro examply you gave us. The Dudley player did something that the Necro player predicted he would do a few seconds before, and that is why he got parried. I'm sure you have the ability to predict what your opponent is going to do in older SFs right? I'm sure you know what's coming, well Street Fighter 3 gives you an opportunity to act on it, thus forcing you to think about what you do, before you do it.

[Muskau]

Originally posted by Jaime


I love street fighter 3 because it takes serious skill to be a top player. You can't just learn rules like "Don't jump forward, or try" and know some fireball traps to be good. You have to know your opponenet, inside and out, to know when it's safe to dragon punch, and when it's better to parry, making the game much harder/funner than all the old SFs.

I don't think it takes neccesarily more 'skill' per-se, I think it's more of a product of experience and game knowledge. It's more than just memorizing what moves are high priority, its remembering frame rates, what can be punished and what can't, who can be juggled with certain things and who can't. Add those on to the fact of whether the person has played against many of that character, whether they've used that character themselves.
And if you're fighting in a tournament, chances are you've never played them or their playstyle before, so you basically have to hope your storage of play experience is greater than his, since not playing someone before in SF3 add's a certain randomness to the outcome I think.

[tsubame]

You can get all that without mentioned in the last 3 posts without parries, and it would be more entertaining and require more brains.

[LAAkuma]

I just wanted to jump in here and talk shit on Watson some more. LOL mike!

Yeah< I asked you to give us a break, you were murdering us all uglY! Then I got warmed up and took you a few games with Guile.

Eat it buddy! haha. You can have the title, I don't care, I don;t play.

However, I still can talk smack?

Love you buddy.

Jeff

[margalis]

This 3rd Strike talk is *right* out of a.g.sf2 right after SF3 came out.

In SF3 uppercuts aren't supposed to be invincible, nor is doing a predictable jab uppercut every time someone jumps at you a good plan. It was a good plan in SF2, not in SF3.

In SF2 if someone jumps on top of you you don't do a low roundhouse for no reason, eat a combo, then complain about how your great strategy was beaten.

In real life randomly jumping in and trying to parry is not an effective SF3 strategy. But, neither is doing a jab uppercut with the same timing every time. That complaint boils down to "I was expecting SF2."

[kite raiser]

These matches never happened, the guy is an attention seeker. Thats why there is no video, what a lamer

[L1qu1d]

where are the fucking videos this thread sucks ass.

[DeAdSpAcE]

There aren't any vids...just some guy trashing 3s cuz he falls for baits.

Spare the 3s talk for somewhere else and show the stupid vids.

Otherwise this was just a waste of time to begin with.

[YellowS4]

I am playing Akuma. Your playing Yun/yang? From SF3.

You jump on my head. I try and jab uppercut.

You parry it, and then you do your 60% combo on me.

Oh shit, bootleg master akuma. Uppercuts > *

[Ultima]

> Sorry you have to THINK before you do things

If by "THINK" you mean "GUESS", you'd be correct.

[ocelot_357]

Originally posted by Ultima
> Sorry you have to THINK before you do things

If by "THINK" you mean "GUESS", you'd be correct.

STFU.

[DaliPicard]

Jeff Schaefer: Are the videos on tape or have they already been captured??

[LAAkuma]

I got them right here bitches.

14 of them. 14 matches on video in .mov format right here.

Quality sucks. Ill upload 1 tommorrow.

I have this one, I love.

My GUILE vs Daigo's old Sagat...

I lost the round, but won the game...

the round I lost, I did some trick shit. lol. He jumped toward me, and I jumped up and BODY SLAMMED SAGAT with Guile.

Instant reaction.lol. Thats REALLY hard to get. Real hard. Sucked him in from far away. haha, pretty funny.

I also got some throws in the Guile VS Sagat matches nobody except me has the BALLS to get. haha.

You guys are going to love this.

Jeff

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

Hurry up.

[THChardcore]

Post corrected, those videos are good, but the 3S bashing is still wrong.

[ocelot_357]

^^^What he said. :cool:

[kite raiser]

They're probably direct feed videos of him playing some guy who's pretending to be daigo

[RoyalFlush]

Originally posted by THChardcore
Oh, and don't talk shit about 3s, however unblanced it may seem to you, its unbalance comes more from tiers than with the gameplay system. If anything, your Yun example prooves this and it would be most unwise to say the parrying is at fault. Plus they're 60 to 80% combos like crazy in ST and some are really easy to connect (ie: Chun's glitched super into vertical kick for 7 or 8 hits).

okay first off if you bother to read what jeff is writing you would know he hates ST for that exact reason. He said the tone of the matches in ST are completely different. Its a sit back and wait becasue you have a ST bar. Unlike in Hyper. a lead in the game doesn't mean you can sit back and almost be gauranteed to win.

Anyway enough of me rehashing what jeff already wrote how about you go read it yourself.

[KrassHole]

Originally posted by kite raiser
They're probably direct feed videos of him playing some guy who's pretending to be daigo

[KING]

do you guys even know who Jeff Shaeffer is?:eek:

where's ya'll's respect?:rolleyes:

i was like, i dunno, 12-15, during his SF heights. (25 now...:o)

[kite raiser]

Originally posted by KINGDOM
do you guys even know who Jeff Shaeffer is?:eek:



A better question would be:

Do you even care who he is?
I don't

[dogberry]

If you don't care who he is why would you even bother posting?

[DaliPicard]

Originally posted by dogberry
If you don't care who he is why would you even bother posting?

owned.

BTW: Original offer from JustDefend.com is still on the table that coupled with a few mirror sites and file sharing will get every1 the vids faster.

[L1qu1d]

seriously look at kite raiser's date when he registerd and where he is located, he is a total newb who doesn't know the meaning of the word respect.

his comment is not a surprise at all to me. but then again who cares what he thinks, "because i don't."
:bluu:

[ChaosNightWolf]

Originally posted by kite raiser
They're probably direct feed videos of him playing some guy who's pretending to be daigo

[HoneyBBQGrundle]

He might be a legend and all, but I agree that if you put the words daigo and vids in a thread then people expect vids. It's simple really.

[LAAkuma]

Here is 1 Video for you guys. Somebody host this please.

http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/a.mov

click save as, or just view it. its like 10 MG and the quality sucks. i am getting better quality ones next week.

Daigo is on the left, I am always on the right.

Its Daigo's old sagat VS my CE guile.

I think I dominated this game, after i got his style in round 1, losing, I came out in round 2 and 3 and showed what I can do. Round 3 perfect.

I missed 1 combo in first round, I am still getting used to the timing on this game.

Jeff

[PSX]

Jeff Shaeffer : Dam man that video was sweet, the razor kick on reaction to the low tiger was pimp, ground game with guile was solid. I can't wait for more videos! Nice work there.

About video quality it was definatley viewable even on my high resolution setting of 2024x1536. Any chance you might make them .wmv instead of quick time format? Either way not complaining I really can't wait to see more.

P.S any chance you might sell that 1 hour tape of you vs daigo? I would love to rip all those matches.

[Battosai]

Awsome job Jeff, you showed Diago who's Boss in SF2. :cool:

[LAAkuma]

another one....

http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/ryuvsguilewin.mov

I am Guile VS his Ryu. Remember, i am always player 2 on right.

and another one...

http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/sagatvsguilewin.mov

Checkity check that air slam. You try and do that. his leg was out and I jumped straight up. lol.

Now watch, ill get all the Sagats coming for me thinking their sagat can beat guile...

I could NEVER beat Tomo's guile with sagat, ever. The legacy lives on through me now...but only on a lesser level.

Jeff

[MCTek]

i dunno if you're the same laakuma back on alt.games.sf2, but anyways

there's sure a lotta people bashing shaeffer for dissing two of their holy relics : daigo and sf3. i'll have to admit saying "utter domination" against daigo seems to border on attention seeking.

sf3 isn't everyone's game, if you think parry is a good substitution for OG footsies then it's all good. but lots of players who actually PLAYED (as opposed to simply gotten a round or two in) HF , and other pre air-block-custom-combo-alpha-counter street fighters, might feel differently. i dunno if super meter ruins ST but alpha and post alpha gimmicks certainly took some of the respectable feel away.

[stream3]

someone get daigo's opinion of the fights, that would be interesting.

[LAAkuma]

MCTek, your a fucking fool man, for spreading lies. If I saw you in person, I would let you know what a fool you are.

I never dissed Daigo, ever. I was super nice to him, bought him drinks and ALL his friends, super friendly.

I was courteous, and paid for ALL his games! I am not better than him man. I just did well on that day, at that time.

Ill take down the words utter domination, until I see you in person, then I will educate you real quick on what that term really means.

fucking fool man. You are nothing. Its freaking retards like you that makes this community suck so damn bad. You try and pit people who respect each other, against each other with propoganda and lies.

I got the tapes man, it speaks for itself. I did great for a guy who hasn't played in a long time. You can cry me a river. and Who cares oabout Sf3? Sounds like your jealous I did so well?

The facts are, I did great. The fiction is: I disrespected him. If I find out who tells him I disrespected him, that person will have to explain it to me in person.. I don't care who it is.

Jeff

[tsubame]

damn, I could tell the level on those was HIGH. only seen about one or two know the game that well.

One thing I don't understand: why hasn't the community- or at least the grognard portion of it- try creating their own 2d fighter?
Probably hard as hell, but doable- take the good portions of SF2 series, maybe some of the good from the later SFs (there was some).

Personally, I'd love to see Capcom old-school style live on, but it won't be done by companies nowadays, no money in it- would have to be a labor of love.

[MCTek]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
MCTek, your a fucking fool man, for spreading lies. If I saw you in person, I would let you know what a fool you are.

I never dissed Daigo, ever. I was super nice to him, bought him drinks and ALL his friends, super friendly.

I was courteous, and paid for ALL his games! I am not better than him man. I just did well on that day, at that time.

Ill take down the words utter domination, until I see you in person, then I will educate you real quick on what that term really means.

fucking fool man. You are nothing.

Jeff

case study for an egomaniac?

i think it's enough that you're posting the vids to show how awesome you are, i think that point is already know for the past decade or more, but how you expect us to suck your dick if you won't get off of it first?

if you're being overly defensive because, unlike some of us here, the majority of SRK have no idea who you are, well that's fine; but please, don't jump down my throat for pointing out the obvious fact that you're getting a lotta flack for your tone up until now. no one is questioning your skills, just your opinions.

[Testament X]

Good matches Jeff, don't mind the haters. Not many people can perfect Daigo's Ryu, that's some nice videos right there.

[ocelot_357]

"I disrespected him." OOOOoooOOOOoo

[Ness da Silent]

Originally posted by dogberry
If you don't care who he is why would you even bother posting?


Maybe cause some people looked on the first page expecting videos only to see a long ass thread over "Back in the day..."

Kthxbye

[_MJ_#R]

beat Daigo in a tourney environment then I'll be really impress :p

[LAAkuma]

it kind of was man. Kuni explained to him who i was, and what i wanted to do. He then came over and accepted the challenge.

It wasn't until after about the 10th game until it got heated. I think he got perplexed that I tossed him a few times in really tough situations. then he started going with his big 3.

Ryu
Balrog
old Sagat.

And then he was really trying to kill me. It was tense. lots of people there.

Jeff

[n817azn]

vids don't work anymore:(

damn it.




n8

[Necrophilio]

damn, the site doesn't work for me.. anyone got them on the hub?

[SmoothCat]

guile beat she shit out of o sagat:eek:

[nameingway]

no mirrors? :(

[Shirts]

Originally posted by MCTek


case study for an egomaniac?

i think it's enough that you're posting the vids to show how awesome you are, i think that point is already know for the past decade or more, but how you expect us to suck your dick if you won't get off of it first?

if you're being overly defensive because, unlike some of us here, the majority of SRK have no idea who you are, well that's fine; but please, don't jump down my throat for pointing out the obvious fact that you're getting a lotta flack for your tone up until now. no one is questioning your skills, just your opinions.

LOL. Schafer definitely doesn't need to show how awesome he is/was...He did back in the day when the old games were at their prime. He was Daigo before Daigo was Daigo.

Some of these people on this board need to check their SF U.S. player history. Check these names: Tomo, Jeff Schafer, Mike Watson

Majority of SRK? True, the majority of SRK were just young teenagers or even kids when SF2/CE/T/ST were in their prime.

BTW, Schafer has always been a shit talker--that's what makes SF fun...players that talk shit and can back it up.

[Thongboy Bebop]

Originally posted by Shirts


LOL. Schafer definitely doesn't need to show how awesome he is/was...He did back in the day when the old games were at their prime. He was Daigo before Daigo was Daigo.

Some of these people on this board need to check their SF U.S. player history. Check these names: Tomo, Jeff Schafer, Mike Watson

Majority of SRK? True, the majority of SRK were just young teenagers or even kids when SF2/CE/T/ST were in their prime.

BTW, Schafer has always been a shit talker--that's what makes SF fun...players that talk shit and can back it up.

But... it's ST.

N

[shoryukenH2]

goforbroke... burningdojo... colonel sanders... somebody help us out and host the vids!

[_MJ_#R]

on my list on GFB..

[LAAkuma]

Thansk Shirts. Wow. Thanks alot.

Thank you. Somebody host those vids I uploaded please.

Jeff

[SmoothCat]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
Thansk Shirts. Wow. Thanks alot.

Thank you. Somebody host those vids I uploaded please.

Jeff You got anymore those was really good u a smart as player the air throw was:eek: damn son

[LAAkuma]

I got 14 of them. Need to get them uploaded and get somebody to host them.

I am uploding them now.

Thanks. I told you man, that airthrow was TIIIIITE. So hard to get that.

It felt good getting it vs undisputed best player in the universe. Ill tell you that.

I think I upset him with some of the cheap shit I was getting him with. You like how when Sagat jump straight up I threw him when he landed 2x? lol

DAMN that was good. haha.

Jeff

[KrassHole]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
I got 14 of them. Need to get them uploaded and get somebody to host them.

I am uploding them now.

Thanks. I told you man, that airthrow was TIIIIITE. So hard to get that.

It felt good getting it vs undisputed best player in the universe. Ill tell you that.

I think I upset him with some of the cheap shit I was getting him with. You like how when Sagat jump straight up I threw him when he landed 2x? lol

DAMN that was good. haha.

Jeff


It must feel good to suck your dick in every post too.

"oh god that throw!! OMG I'm gonna cum." Jeez.

[Drizzt Do'urden]

what ever happened to tomo????

he was the undisputed GOD of old school SF

[Battosai]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
I got 14 of them. Need to get them uploaded and get somebody to host them.

I am uploding them now.

Thanks. I told you man, that airthrow was TIIIIITE. So hard to get that.

It felt good getting it vs undisputed best player in the universe. Ill tell you that.

I think I upset him with some of the cheap shit I was getting him with. You like how when Sagat jump straight up I threw him when he landed 2x? lol

DAMN that was good. haha.

Jeff

Thats not cheap shit...thats SF2 (high damaging and nontechable throws), throwing him after he whiffed his jump straight up was a good move/decision because he was turtling on the defensive. Besides I learned something new against Sagat when he jumps straight up.

That air throw was tight.

[stream3]

i really wish kuni would post :D

[LAAkuma]

3 More Video's UP. This time, I lose 2 of the 3 here. But it could have gone either way, he had 0 life and I made the mistake in timing. Oh well!

http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/balrogvsguilewin.mov
http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/bisonvssagatlose.mov
http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/deejayvsguilelose.mov

I made a few stupid, dumb mistakes, should have just sat there and played my game. The guy is good. Real good, you can't make a mistake. I could not uppercut on those sticks, as you can see from the vids with Sagat. Cost me every game, for sure. Oh well.

Jeff

[popo187]

second link broken

ps. ur name is los angeles akuma, deep.

[LAAkuma]

Here is some more...

http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/deejayvssagatwin.mov
http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/mbisonvsguilewin.mov
http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/ryuvsbalroglose.mov
http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/ryuvsblankalose.mov
http://www.importreview.com/streetfighter/ryuvsguilewin.mov

I don;t know how I got stunned with Balrog VS RYu, but damn, that was bad. haha. I just got super, I should have been more patient. Live and learn. Also, Blanka VS ST ryu is stupid, and no chance. I am surprised I lived so long. TOmo would have murdered me like nothing.

What was I thinking. Playing the best player on earth.

Jeff

[stream3]

thanks for the vids jeff, neat to see daigo fuck around w/ various characters... your CE guile is toooo cheap :D

[Battosai]

Good vids Jeff. Your CE Guile is the best (beating Daigo Tomo style)..., probabily almost equivalent to Tomo's CE Guile IMO.

Excellent bro!

[ShinjiGohan]

uploading to my streamload account.

BTW it seems I'm missing one... I have

balrogvsguilewin.mov
deejayvsguilelose.mov
Daigo Vs Schaefer.mov (might have been renamed but pretty sure thats the a.mov but it features Sagat vs Guile in Kens stage (Guile is definitely CE, Sagat seems to be either CE or T)
deejayvssagatwin.mov
ryuvsbalroglose.mov
mbisonvsguilewin.mov
ryuvsguilewin.mov
ryuvsblankalose.mov
bisonvssagatlose.mov

[doujinshi_2001]

Sorry if I missed a part of your post, but wtf do I use to open these vids? I can't see the picture when it plays only the sound :confused:

[ShinjiGohan]

I've been viewing them with quicktime.

[_MJ_#R]

how did you get stunned?



Daigo is the devil..

[Muskau]

Ah this reminds me of the old newsgroup threads hehehe

[THChardcore]

That shit looked clean, is it a normal 4:3 ratio screen or is it more like 16:9?

[toilet]

Good videos, looking forward to more. Your Guile was totally on-point controlling some of those rounds.

Daigo has definitely got some skill. You can tell in the videos he was trying shit just for the sake of trying it -- reversal super through the sonic boom with Dee Jay across the screen, weird links, etc. Crouching short x 2 jab DP on-demand :eek:? For those un-aware in ST you can't 2-in-1 off a rapid fire weak attack, you gotta link it.

Thanks for posting them.

[The Mullah]

How the fuck does a fireball, throw, medium sweep stun? That had me scratching my head too.

[JumpsuitJesse]

Man, I cant wait to get home and watch these!

[watson]

well jeff, good job on getting some of those wins... one thing though, lets try to get off our own nutts, if you know what im saying... you played well, i give you that, but take these few things into consideration. daigo was on american sticks, huge difference, daigo didnt want to go out that night, he was drained from plane and etc, daigo didnt always play his best characters..... but like i said, you played well, you put up a good fight and got some wins... just dont let your head rise above your neck too far brother... :):):):):):)

[nameingway]

ShinjiGohan, when you get those uploaded will you post a links to those movies?

[LAAkuma]

shit Mike!

he played Ryu from ST like 6 times? And he layed Balrog 1 time, Old sagat like 3x? those are his best characters. All of them lost to Guile. I don't think he knew how good Guile was. I don;t know.

I got the biggest dick here mike. lol Im on these pills, make it swell up real big, it affects my head too.

ahha. right.

Jeff

[kite raiser]

I would think Daigo be more used to ST where he doesn't have to deal with broken characters like CE guile. O.sagat vs deejay was too funny, low tiger shot spam... yeah this game is much better then 3s... not!

[NerenatwaH]

what's the difference between CE and HF chars?

As far as I know CE was just a game so you can pick the boss characters right? So it was identical to WW?

[KrassHole]

Originally posted by toilet
Good videos, looking forward to more. Your Guile was totally on-point controlling some of those rounds.

Daigo has definitely got some skill. You can tell in the videos he was trying shit just for the sake of trying it -- reversal super through the sonic boom with Dee Jay across the screen, weird links, etc. Crouching short x 2 jab DP on-demand :eek:? For those un-aware in ST you can't 2-in-1 off a rapid fire weak attack, you gotta link it.

Thanks for posting them.


i've done 3 jabs into DP before.

[NKI]

The links for "a.mov" and "sagatvsguilewin.mov" are broken. Could anyone send these files to me? I'm trying to set up a mirror for Jeff, but I'm missing those two files.

I'm always on IRC (efnet), so you can send anytime.


-Nicholai!

[ShinjiGohan]

Originally posted by NKI
The links for "a.mov" and "sagatvsguilewin.mov" are broken. Could anyone send these files to me? I'm trying to set up a mirror for Jeff, but I'm missing those two files.

I'm always on IRC (efnet), so you can send anytime.


-Nicholai! '

I've got the first one (which we renamed to Diago vs Schaefer), however that was also a Sagat vs Guile match where Schaefer wins, hence why he renamed that one to a.mov

-still uploading those that I have, and still missing that 2nd sagat vs guile match.

[Richard]

Anything with Honda?
Originally posted by NerenatwaH
what's the difference between CE and HF chars?
The character differences were the only differences between those two games. There are plenty- go read up on some history- there's probably a big FAQ/list somewhere.

[toilet]

Originally posted by KrassHole
i've done 3 jabs into DP before.
Yeah, same thing. You're actually letting the animation for the last jab finish as opposed to canceling it. *shrug* This is why 3 c.short into super with N.Ken was a neat thing a while back.

Yeah, the CE damage thing seems high. In the ryuvsguilewin movie he's really only hit with 1 throw, 3 c.forwards, and a s.fierce for the 1st round. I haven't played AE yet so I dunno how it all plays out.

[NerenatwaH]

Originally posted by Richard
Anything with Honda?

The character differences were the only differences between those two games. There are plenty- go read up on some history- there's probably a big FAQ/list somewhere.

I know HF was a sped up SFII.

Whats the character differences between CE and WW?

I think that's what I meant to ask.

[Richard]

Differences between CE and WW? New normals, modified specials, changed throws. Everybody is different. Seriously, the list is too long for this thread. try www.gamefax.com

[Ultima]

So what IS the difference between CE and HF Guile? Just the damage differences?

[brian]

some comments on the vids.

Jeff, you're obviously a very good player. You seem to be going out of your way to be exceptionally cocky though. Probably just for the fun of it...

Anyway, I think you should definitely keep in mind that Daigo was using American sticks, which would be a major handicap for him I assume. Heh, you might not want to go on about those times that you miss uppercuts because of not being used to the sticks. Daigo seems to miss stuff too.
Also Daigo probably had not played much against pre super guile before. He seemed to be surprised alot by the speed and priority of the low forward. In fact, a hell of a lot. What would happen if you used ST guile instead? :P

[Battosai]

Originally posted by brian
some comments on the vids.

Jeff, you're obviously a very good player. You seem to be going out of your way to be exceptionally cocky though. Probably just for the fun of it...

Anyway, I think you should definitely keep in mind that Daigo was using American sticks, which would be a major handicap for him I assume. Heh, you might not want to go on about those times that you miss uppercuts because of not being used to the sticks. Daigo seems to miss stuff too.
Also Daigo probably had not played much against pre super guile before. He seemed to be surprised alot by the speed and priority of the low forward. In fact, a hell of a lot. What would happen if you used ST guile instead? :P

Dude ST guile is a fuckn wimp.

[KING]

on some of the vids (like ryu vs guile, balrog vs guile, etc), you knock down Daigo, and then proceed to do a whiffed jump forward kick. why is that?

just curious.:)

[brian]

Originally posted by Battosai


Dude ST guile is a fuckn wimp.

I know. Which is what Daigo would be used to playing against..

[glass]

iirc, short short xx DP (or super) doesn't involve linking; you'd have to chain 3 SKs and cancel the third into a DP (or super) before the third SK came out. it's similar to Guy's final fight chain proximity cancels.

ps
i can't find the sagat vs guile with the airthrow :(.

pps
great vids :).

[LAAkuma]

Well. I am cockey and stupid for fun. Who really cares. It brings excitement to me when I played.

Like I would talk shit for a long time, then come out to play a tourney, and there would be EVERY guy who would want me BAD.

The shit talking is like a magnet to meet new players, bring them out, get them to go play.

It works. A few people know this is my method, some think I am just a total asshole.

Whatever it takes to further the sport...I take it for the team.

ok, well, I am done with SF for a few months. Lost my sticks tonight, and a friend at the same time. I couldn't stand to be his friend anymore after he told me his political views. Unreal. I support the war, the troops. Oh well.

Until I see you guys again.

Have a nice life you guys. Even the people who hate me, please have a nice day for me.

BTW: That low forward WHIFF thing....yeah...The sticks were jacked up pretty bad, I couldn't get the timing of the speed of the game either...you can see i missed the timing EVERYTIME.

YOu do this: And I am the inventor of this...OG style.

Low forward, STANDING strong, FORWARD BLADE KICK. 3 hit combo. And on the bigger characters, I do low forward, standing fierce, blade kick, and that stuns them.

I missed it 10 in a row, timing from speed. He wasn't 100% on those sticks, but I haven't played that speed in my life, and haven't played in 10 years. So its even.

Ill miss you guys, especially the shit talkers.

And I love Mike Watson, the guy is so great.

Jeff

[ShinjiGohan]

http://www.streamload.com/ShinjiGohan/SF2AE

all 9 are up, though still missing 1 completely.

Jeff if you want you can aim me the last guile vs Sagat (with the air throw) and that'll make the mirror complete.

contact me on aim

[THChardcore]

Originally posted by LAAkuma

I couldn't stand to be his friend anymore after he told me his political views. Unreal. I support the war, the troops. Oh well.

[/B]

I don't understand how someone not supporting a bloody corporate war with all the markings of profiteering inncentive is "UNREAL"? God forbid in a nation that preaches freedom of everything (but mainly markets) that someone should ever hold views in opposition to the suffocating dominantpolitical opinion - that's too much for me. There's nothing un-American about questioning the validity of a nation's actions, especially when it's acting as a representation of you as an American. It's civic repsonsibilty.

[shoryukenH2]

Bwahaha, now this crazy thread is going into the political sesspool. LAAkuma knows how to get people riled up, I'll admit that much.

[KrassHole]

Originally posted by LAAkuma

I couldn't stand to be his friend anymore after he told me his political views. Unreal. I support the war, the troops. Oh well.



Wow. You really are a fucking retard.

[DaliPicard]

Sagat vs Guile -- Just beautiful!

[Yagami]

Wow, your friend must have said some pretty bad stuff for you to break off a whole friendship.

I support the troops in a war that should never have happened.

[Anaxamander]

You have to be really stupid/insane to end a friendship over this corporate-sponsored farce of a "war."

[brian]

Originally posted by KrassHole



Wow. You really are a fucking retard.

[Yansoma]

Haha I knew your name was familiar. I checked my old SF2: HF guide and there it was.

1. Tomo Ohira
2. Jeff Schaefer
3. Kuni Funada
4. Frank Kwang
5. Mike Watson
6. George Ngo
7. Martin Vega (Apoc)

[Battosai]

Originally posted by KrassHole



Wow. You really are a fucking retard.

STFU bitch...Jeff is hella cool so don't fuckn disrespect him.

[KrassHole]

Originally posted by Battosai


STFU bitch...Jeff is hella cool so don't fuckn disrespect him.



Ya until you disagree with him and he turns his back on you. What kind of person does that ?? You consider someone like that cool ??

What if you were chilling with jeff and you didnt want green peppers on the pizza and he did ??

You might get fucking stabbed.

[mwa hahaha]

He is taking the piss morons. Jesus this forum is getting more and more like ddr freak general discussion everyday....

[v-ryu_jimmy]

jeff: first, thx for the vids. u were in a good day. but i just have 2-3 things to say.

it seems daigo missed A LOT of moves (i remember one match, guile vs ryu..missing 1387 hadouken....2389723 tatsumaki). he had US joystick, didnt he??

i saw him missed A LOT of 28+LK(goes through fireball) > super (deejay vs sagat).

even one match, he get hit by 123976239 tiger shot (u even didnt hit him while he was stun..maybe u noticed he missed a lot).

And i dont think he uses to play OLD guile. lol (2 hit dizzy. lol)

IMPORTANT:i dont say u told "aha, i almost beat best ST player", etc.
not at all, its just to add my opinion^^ u would be WAY happier if u played him with a japanese arcade cabinet (u play on US stick, and him on jap stick). i think ure like lot of us, play your opponent at his best capacity. Of course, sometimes we cant do what we want^^. but u were lucky to play him during 1 hour. only you and him :)

btw, daigo IS NOT the best japanese ST player.
for those who say HSF2 = ST with more option...(apoc^^)
thats not true...here are differences between HSF2 and the original games (sorry, japanese only).
http://games.t-akiba.net/sf2/ps2hyper.html


ps: to all people here: i just posted to give my opinion (dont kill me plz. lol). And NO, i dont suck japanese players. (many people will tell me this i think :(

[DaliPicard]

Those Guile matches were very good.
I'm tired of reading, well he's only used to playing ST Guile. Who fault is that? I don't know either player, but I am sure they both knew what characters and what sticks were available to the both of them before playing.

[ShinjiGohan]

Originally posted by v-ryu_jimmy
jeff: first, thx for the vids. u were in a good day. but i just have 2-3 things to say.

it seems daigo missed A LOT of moves (i remember one match, guile vs ryu..missing 1387 hadouken....2389723 tatsumaki). he had US joystick, didnt he??

i saw him missed A LOT of 28+LK(goes through fireball) > super (deejay vs sagat).

even one match, he get hit by 123976239 tiger shot (u even didnt hit him while he was stun..maybe u noticed he missed a lot).

And i dont think he uses to play OLD guile. lol (2 hit dizzy. lol)

IMPORTANT:i dont say u told "aha, i almost beat best ST player", etc.
not at all, its just to add my opinion^^ u would be WAY happier if u played him with a japanese arcade cabinet (u play on US stick, and him on jap stick). i think ure like lot of us, play your opponent at his best capacity. Of course, sometimes we cant do what we want^^. but u were lucky to play him during 1 hour. only you and him :)

btw, daigo IS NOT the best japanese ST player.
for those who say HSF2 = ST with more option...(apoc^^)
thats not true...here are differences between HSF2 and the original games (sorry, japanese only).
http://games.t-akiba.net/sf2/ps2hyper.html


ps: to all people here: i just posted to give my opinion (dont kill me plz. lol). And NO, i dont suck japanese players. (many people will tell me this i think :(

I'd say the handicap was about the same. Diago was on a stick he wasn't used to, and whose to say that ST Was the first SF game that that he ever played? He might have played previous SF2 games like CE or T.

Now keep in mind that Jeff hasn't played serious SF2 in at least 5 years though its more like 8 to 10, so he's definitely rusty, he also wasn't used to the speed that the games were being played.

Based on that, I'd say Jeff was probably more handicapped than Diago was. And he still did well.

[Crayfish]

Some interesting points raised here, but have a different slant on things....

Originally posted by v-ryu_jimmy

And i dont think he uses to play OLD guile. lol (2 hit dizzy. lol)
IMPORTANT:i dont say u told "aha, i almost beat best ST player", etc.
not at all, its just to add my opinion^^ u would be WAY happier if u played him with a japanese arcade cabinet (u play on US stick, and him on jap stick). i think ure like lot of us, play your opponent at his best capacity. Of course, sometimes we cant do what we want^^. but u were lucky to play him during 1 hour. only you and him :)


These are valid points but I think Daigo using us stick, not used to CPS1 Guile etc... isn't as much of a handicap as an 11 year competetive lay off and coming out cold against one of the worlds best players. How the hell did Jeff stay that sharp anyhow?

Originally posted by v-ryu_jimmy

btw, daigo IS NOT the best japanese ST player.


Yes this is undeniably true, I don't even think he enters X-Mania (btw this is THE ST tourney in Japan). People get confused cause none of the ST specialists come to Evo so they think Daigo is Japan's best ST player. Truth is he's prolly not even in the top 10 maybe more. He is however, probably the best all round fighting game player ever and on the right day could prolly beat any of the top, more knowlegable, more tactical ST guys with his sheer natural talent...so lets not undermine Jeff's acheivement.

Originally posted by v-ryu_jimmy

for those who say HSF2 = ST with more option...(apoc^^)
thats not true...here are differences between HSF2 and the original games (sorry, japanese only).
http://games.t-akiba.net/sf2/ps2hyper.html


Could anyone translate this page (not with a web page translater, the Japanese makes more sense to me than the output of those things), I would love to know the details.

Crayfish.

[Battosai]

Originally posted by Yansoma
Haha I knew your name was familiar. I checked my old SF2: HF guide and there it was.

1. Tomo Ohira
2. Jeff Schaefer
3. Kuni Funada
4. Frank Kwang
5. Mike Watson
6. George Ngo
7. Martin Vega (Apoc)

Jason gonzales is Apoc, not Martin Vega.

[N-Ken]

Originally posted by Crayfish
Some interesting points raised here, but have a different slant on things....



These are valid points but I think Daigo using us stick, not used to CPS1 Guile etc... isn't as much of a handicap as an 11 year competetive lay off and coming out cold against one of the worlds best players. How the hell did Jeff stay that sharp anyhow?



Yes this is undeniably true, I don't even think he enters X-Mania (btw this is THE ST tourney in Japan). People get confused cause none of the ST specialists come to Evo so they think Daigo is Japan's best ST player. Truth is he's prolly not even in the top 10 maybe more. He is however, probably the best all round fighting game player ever and on the right day could prolly beat any of the top, more knowlegable, more tactical ST guys with his sheer natural talent...so lets not undermine Jeff's acheivement.



Could anyone translate this page (not with a web page translater, the Japanese makes more sense to me than the output of those things), I would love to know the details.

Crayfish.

Didn't he play at least through A2 or A3? I was pretty sure he was a top A2 player?

[ShinjiGohan]

Schaefer used to play SFA2 but stopped playing.

[LAAkuma]

I got to admit, alot, ALOT of IGNORANT people here.

Political, but I wont argue that.

I want to say that you notice I would not have lost 1 GAME with old sagat if I could uppercut on the sticks? not one game?

Every lose was from missing 2-4 uppercuts per round on average. Damn...forgot to mention that huh? its always "daigo missed everything, Schaefer played perfect"

fucking bullshit. 1 sides nonsense.

And I played A2, got 4th at B3 out of like 128 people or something, I was not very great at A games, but I liked A2. At least I beat david Sirlin down stupid, embarassing style at B3. The guy got worked, and he denies it to this day. People hate me so much, they are in denial of truth and facts. he forgot before the tournement I won about 30 in a row with ken? And beat down his M.Bison like FREE. And all the other comers too.

I didn't play ST since 1994? When I went to Nor Cal for a little tournament and got 4th? But at that time, I had already quit for about 9 months, I just went for fun. No matter, I have the current record of most tournament wins in a ROW next to TOMO. People forget that little fact.

I wonder why my name was #1 or #2 on the board for 3+ years. Above everyone except Tomo. I wonder. maybe because I never lost to anyone except Tomo on the old games? except a few games, here and there.

People have bad memories. They hust hate me so bad, they are in "hate jeff" denial mode. Now we get political. People hate BUSH SO fucking bad, they are blind to real facts, and no matter what facts come out, it means nothing to them, they just HATE bush.

Thats ignorant, and blind. You can hate Bush, but at least fucking look at facts, and accept them. I mean shit. Its like 99% of all Men have "I can't admit I am wrong" syndrome.

its called ignorant.

Also, I can't help it if Daigo beat my guile like 2 times out of like 10 or something. what the fuck am I supposed to say? I did great.

Also, I know Daigo is not best SF player in Japan. The best are from osaka, Daigo would be in top 5 though.

I know all about it. Continue to rip me, I don't give a fuck. Fact is, I beat alot of your guys hero, and you guys can't handle it.

Jeff

[ShinjiGohan]

lol

Jeff did you get my pm about the mirror?

[stream3]

jeff, talk after winning evo 2k5 ST :P or X

so people won't give you all the respect you crave for beating Daigo in some AE games... that's life, just deal with it. Not everyone is going to suck your dick and listen to age old stories about how good TOMO was. boo hoo.

[ShinjiGohan]

Originally posted by stream3
jeff, talk after winning evo 2k5 ST :P or X

so people won't give you all the respect you crave for beating Daigo in some AE games... that's life, just deal with it. Not everyone is going to suck your dick and listen to age old stories about how good TOMO was. boo hoo.

Did you not read that he doesn't play ST?

For sucking dick, you seem to be doing plenty of that already.

[Battosai]

Originally posted by stream3
jeff, talk after winning evo 2k5 ST :P or X

so people won't give you all the respect you crave for beating Daigo in some AE games... that's life, just deal with it. Not everyone is going to suck your dick and listen to age old stories about how good TOMO was. boo hoo.

Why should he have re prove himself to you new school players? He has already proved himself to be one of the best players of SF2 in the US back in the day...Why should he have to prove it again just to satisfy you whiners. Not necessary. Besides ST's not his best game as he mentioned before, and he doesn't even play the game.

[v-ryu_jimmy]

JEFF: i said u did good job. Not everyone can beat daigo even with bad sticks, etc..

btw, daigo IS NOT in top 5 in japan.

okok, u missed tiger uppercut. i didnt say u successed 100% of your move too. but miss tiger upercut with sagat...and miss hadouken with ryu. who has the advantage...

crayfish: there is other lot of things on this japanese site about old sf series (bug, frame, diagram, blablabla. MASS things. I cant translater EVERYTHING. sorry (especially in english. i suck in english. lol)

[dznutz]

I believe Kuni told Bucktooth that Daigo was considered to be in the lower rankings of the top players in ST.

[mwa hahaha]

Jimmy whats your team now in cvs2?

[Crayfish]

Originally posted by v-ryu_jimmy

crayfish: there is other lot of things on this japanese site about old sf series (bug, frame, diagram, blablabla. MASS things. I cant translater EVERYTHING. sorry (especially in english. i suck in english. lol)



Yeah, its a huge site. Looks fantastic, I would love to have the info from T Akiba but I was only asking for the differences between the different SF versions of the characters compared to thier AE versions. I must say they seem pretty damn close to me.

[Richard]

Not taking anything away from either player, but people are reading far too much into this sticks stuff.

I sometimes miss moves, but I can't use it as an excuse. And I can't always play on controls I'm used to. I've used some shit cabinets over the years, but you just have to get on with it- Jenson Button didn't complain about his helmet in the race last week!

If anything, I would say that the better player is the one who can adapt to any stick and still win.

[v-ryu_jimmy]

mwa hahaha: i dont play cvs2 for looooooooooooooooooooong time. if i play it, i would choose c-gief, vice, kyosuke^^. and if i want to play "seriously", i cho a-sakura, athena, yuri

crayfish: in fact, its difficult to translate, because there are comparaison to original version. ( for example, they say "dhalsim has no more his yoga reset glitch"). this example is easy to understand, but there are some more difficult.

richard: i sometimes miss moves too. If i lose because i miss moves...ok...but if i lose cause stick sucks...not ok, i get angry. lol. Daigo played even if he doesnt use to play on this stick cause hes cool, and he doesnt think there would be a THREAD jsut for those matches. lol. u think japanese players are still talking about those matches? they didnt even begin i think. And even if daigo knows we are talking about them, maybe he thinks we would understand that he missed MASS moves cause of sticks.
( i dont know if i explained well. lol)

[THChardcore]

Originally posted by LAAkuma
I got to admit, alot, ALOT of IGNORANT people here.


So you say.


People have bad memories. They hust hate me so bad, they are in "hate jeff" denial mode. Now we get political. People hate BUSH SO fucking bad, they are blind to real facts, and no matter what facts come out, it means nothing to them, they just HATE bush.

Thats ignorant, and blind. You can hate Bush, but at least fucking look at facts, and accept them. I mean shit. Its like 99% of all Men have "I can't admit I am wrong" syndrome.



Yes, I have looked at the facts, and they all point to a very lucrative deal for defense contractors and contruction firms. Did you know we import oil from the states to run our machinery over there? Can you tell me that isn't the least bit suspicious? Come now, WMD - more like WTF are they. If we really wanted to kill Saddam we could have done so easily, nothing has stopped us in the past (Chile anyone?) We've embarassed oursleves enough already, but its too late to look back. And, before you start name calling, let's try using proper English, so others will take your arguments seriously. Also, please substaintiate some of your claims, this isn't even the place for politics, but if you have to continue speaking of the subject, at least give us the decency of any sort of example - right wing (or left for that matter) banter doesn't cut it. Just because the something is complicated (as corruption tends to be) doesn't mean it's far-fetched.



its called ignorant.



No, it's called ignorance. And it seems as though you (and a lot of other people) haven't thought about any potential disparity between the textbook way a government runs and the everyday dealings of politicians. I'm not so much pouding you as I am trying to get people to read and discover that the times we live in are just a dot in history. CNN and Fox News are no substitute for Gramsci or Marx. Let go of tradition and embrace learning. Tradition, however closely woven with our lives, blinds and binds us to ignorance. It's hard to know truth without having the nessicary tools to discern. This is good for government, bad for citizens.



I know all about it. Continue to rip me, I don't give a fuck. Fact is, I beat alot of your guys hero, and you guys can't handle it.



Okay Jeff, destroying our heros with old school Guile, quite an accomplishment. You're a good player - but please - spare us the ego boosting! Plurality is good thing too, btw.

I hold no ill will against anyone, I just wish that people could take a step back momentarily and realize what's going on outside of their own lives. I won't say anyhting more on the matter, because this thread is so out of hand.

I apologize for going off topic.

[stream3]

Originally posted by Battosai


Why should he have re prove himself to you new school players? He has already proved himself to be one of the best players of SF2 in the US back in the day...Why should he have to prove it again just to satisfy you whiners. Not necessary. Besides ST's not his best game as he mentioned before, and he doesn't even play the game.



he doesn't have to reprove himself, i know he has mad skillz in old school games.

HOWEVER, if he wants to continue to pad his ego, why not win a few tourneys after not playing for 10 years??? That will shut the haters up. Anyone that good at CE/HF should be able to adapt to ST.

[Richard]

^ but if he doesn't enjoy ST, why should he play it? besides, he said that he';s older now with more responsabilities.
Originally posted by v-ryu_jimmy
i sometimes miss moves too. If i lose because i miss moves...ok...but if i lose cause stick sucks...not ok
But what I'm saying is that provided it works, everything else is immaterial. If I can pull off my shit on a stick from America, Japan or Antarctica, as well as on a Jaguar pad, a Nintendo pad and a Quickshot, then that makes me a better player than somebody with the same mindset and knowledge who can't.

[stream3]

well i'm just saying tournament wins are more telling than casual matches of CE vs ST characters :P as everyone else has been saying....

if he doesn't play ST that's fine, but no one plays CE or HF anymore so ..........

[Battosai]

Originally posted by stream3
well i'm just saying tournament wins are more telling than casual matches of CE vs ST characters :P as everyone else has been saying....

if he doesn't play ST that's fine, but no one plays CE or HF anymore so ..........


That why there is SF2 AE, and the next Evo should have it(if not I will be pissed off). He would not have made a come back if AE was not released.

[LAAkuma]

all I can is, THChardcore, better hope I don't see him in person.

I am going to spit in your face, several times.

And there is not a damn thing you can do, or will do about it.

[AsiaFarian]

Jeff do u only play in the arcade or both?..If so, whenever I am in california..Ill play your old school guile with ryu..(sf2hf that is..Ce is too slow and Im not a fan of st)..I have never been dominated by guile so it would be interesting...I mainly play at home now on the collection series cause ive been out of the arcade scene for years...good shit against Daigo

[THChardcore]

Where you live?

[BillyKane]

Sorry for going off-topic, but...

Originally posted by Richard
works[/i], everything else is immaterial. If I can pull off my shit on a stick from America, Japan or Antarctica, as well as on a Jaguar pad, a Nintendo pad and a Quickshot, then that makes me a better player than somebody with the same mindset and knowledge who can't.

Daigo's played on US sticks what, maybe two or three times before at previous events? I can guarantee that the transition can be quite painful even on working sticks. You can't realistically expect Japanese players to be able to adapt to US joysticks perfectly when they don't have access to them at all in their own country. I'm the last person on earth to make excuses for the Japanese because they don't need them but this is true. It's different for us because we usually have access to both US and Japanese-style sticks, be it at various arcades or through consoles.

[Battosai]

You pussies just don't get it do you...Jeff is shit talking to get people to have the hunger to want to challenge him on SF2 AE in LA. I agree with Apoc when he said that "competition is too friendly these days" and its true because when ever someone says "I Will beat you all" or ego boosting on this board, you sissies start acting dicks using flaming and arguing on this board instead of showing up to play and thats ridiculous. This is a competition..its supposed to be taken seriously (not friendly) and rivalries should be created like the North Cal vs So Cal...A better response which is what I believe Jeff is after should be something like:

"I got what it takes to defeat you, so I challenge you at SF2 AE"

Daigo SHOULDN'T be your hero...he should be someone that pushes you want to be better than him and your goal is to defeat him with what ever it takes to win...Never settle for mediocrity.

TO BE THE BEST IS WHAT I STRIVE FOR!

Battosai's twin brother,

Jarrod McDermott

[ShinjiGohan]

Sorry but this Japan sticks excuse is running thin. What is so different that means that all of these matches are invalid? What the stick isn't a bat form but a stick and ball? Oh wait, the buttons are convexted? I've played on both, the difference isn't that drastic that all of you try to make it seem.

It wasn't a tourniment so it doesn't count?! Too bad in the end they were both taking it very seriously and were trying their hardest to win.

Honestly using the sticks as a crutch just isn't working. Jeff had an even more valid reason for not doing well, and he still held his own against Diago.

[BillyKane]

Originally posted by ShinjiGohan
Sorry but this Japan sticks ex