Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike: Scrub Free?

[Singho]

Hi

Recently i have gotten back online with cvs2, and its been great. ^_^ However, as everyone is aware it has quite alot of priority abuse and other how can we say..."unfair" tactics which are overused and kind of ruins the game.

Now, most of the "abuse" i never realised while i used to play against friends offline...but when i came online, i thought

"oh shit! wtf! omg thats lame!" >_<;;;; etc etc

In good old UK, Arcades have been and gone, and unless you go into central London, you will not find games such as Third Strike anywhere else. :bluu: So naturally, i bought the DC version and more recently the JPN PS2 release. Now from the little competition i have played on this game, i love it. Everything seems possible to overcome\escape and its great fun.

So heres the question for all you Shoryuken.com SF3 players, who play at tournament and just for fun levels...

"Will the release of SF3 3rd strike online, be a game which is safe from priority abusive moves?"

Im only asking this as i have not played many people on SF3, as the arcade scene in the UK is dead, so there is no competition to play\practice against and thus no incentive to improve but HOPEFULLY SF3 online will change that ^_^. But to my knowledge, the game seems very balanced, but i also thought that of cvs2 :lol:

So to those people who have played countless players, seen thousands of combos, strats and tactics...will SF3 3rd Strike be safe from scrubs?

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[Jin Sakazaki]

I wouldn't say scrub free (as much as I'd like to), but scrubs are certainly at their least effective in this game.

[AMinorThreat]

If it was scrub free then you wouldn't be able to play. ;)

[kofiend]

depends in what way you mean scrubby, 3rd strike has its fair share of shit.
BUT, it has the most balanced roster IMO. 3 does rise above the rest, but anything is doable if your good enough. you can be vicious in the game, it just takes "different" kind of skills to be vicious in it, but its doable for anyone.

[kofiend]

Originally posted by Jin Sakazaki
but scrubs are certainly at their least effective in this game.

i dunno bout that:rolleyes:

[FMJaguar]

Originally posted by Singho
Hi

"Will the release of SF3 3rd strike online, be a game which is safe from priority abusive moves?"

...

So to those people who have played countless players, seen thousands of combos, strats and tactics...will SF3 3rd Strike be safe from scrubs?



This is sort of a myth about fighters. Even if a game was 100% perfectly balanced in theory, i can garuntee it won't be for any of us. Whatever your playstyle is, there's going to be something that beats it, it's probably simpler than you thought it was going to be, so you go 'OMG WTF OMG THAT IS CHEAP I CAN'T BEAT IT'.

The games have some quirks, maybe some things are there that shouldn't be, but it stops way short of saying that you can lose to scrubs, and not be a scrub.

[DeAdSpAcE]

3s is not scrub friendly I can tell ya that. This is one of the few sf games that have a good roster of characters with balanced play. There are a few things here and there that raises eyebrows and shake heads but overall imo it's one of the better sf games. I wouldn't worry about scrub friendly shit...just play the game with whoever and pick up on stuff.

[lord sharky]

thirdstrike >>> CVS2. definitely!:D

[Jin Sakazaki]

Originally posted by lord sharky
thirdstrike >>> CVS2. definitely!:D

AMEN, BROTHA!!!!!!

[Zakuta]

Originally posted by AMinorThreat
If it was scrub free then you wouldn't be able to play. ;)

How cute!

[Pat the Great]

3s chun-li is scrubbier than any cvs2 shit.

[haunts]

Ive found that Chun and Ken are easy for scrubs to pick up, but if you know anything about the game they shouldnt be able to do anything to consitantly beat you.

[mwa hahaha]

UK is a joke, alpha 3 scene here is/was 95% of all players using ken/ryu aism, cvs2 scene is non existent because no-one can roll cancel, 3rd strike scene is run by a bunch of fanboys who despite playing 24/7 still get hammered by any random usa/jap players.

Your best bet is to play cvs2 online against american opponents, you might take a bit of a beating against a few sagats but its better than playing 3s against the ciomputer or going to sheffield/london to play sr wilson and the cornertrap crew.

[Rising Knuckle]

Originally posted by mwa hahaha
cvs2 scene is non existent because no-one can roll cancel


Your best bet is to play cvs2 online against american opponents,

You are aware you can't RC in the live version right?

[El Carpeto]

UK Arcade scene ain't *that* dead. You're pretty much screwed in Brum though :P


Chun's fairly simple to play and a nutty priority bitch. But ya ain't going to to get beaten by a five year old using her and mashing buttons, unless you're a five year old button masher too. You should be less worried about scrubs using her and more worried about good players using her.

[Zakuta]

Who is mwa hahaha? lol

[El Carpeto]

Well, he seems to think that SRWilson is a top player in the UK, and the only person I know of who thinks that is SRWilson.


He's SRWilson. Must be :P

[mwa hahaha]

Sr Wilson is a sad lonely northern man who lives in Sheffield, has mental problems (i am being serious just ask arma) , and thinks he is the best 3s player in the uk. Although tbh that would not be hard, if you looked at the uk's showing in all 2d games at absolutejoke2k4 then I reckon even steven hawking could be next uk sf champ.

[kofiend]

ryan hart and his crew of narcs were pretty good at 3rd strike, one guy was hanging with the best in the arcade and at EVO. props.

[El Carpeto]

So you admit that you're a sad lonely man, with mental problems from Sheffield, eh? I knew it.

[mwa hahaha]

Yes, yes I am. But I AM the master of the clocks and akuma so step da fuck off batch b4 I unleash da smackdown wid ma best m8's ss masters /billykane/hon. Team beasts of the east!

[BillyKane]

Originally posted by kofiend
ryan hart and his crew of narcs were pretty good at 3rd strike, one guy was hanging with the best in the arcade and at EVO. props.

Which character was he using and what did he look like?

[kite raiser]

Scrub Chun vs Good Chun

Good chun wins.

Don't single chun out, as the tt is a trio of chun, ken and yun. Personally I don't care if these 3 get whored a lot, 3s is still like 99999999999999999999999 times more fun to play then crapcom vs sngay 2

[kofiend]

white guy with blondish hair, kinda thick but looks like he can goto war in a heartbeat, polite too. at the tourny, he was wearing navy.

[AneurysmX]

Originally posted by kofiend
white guy with blondish hair, kinda thick but looks like he can goto war in a heartbeat, polite too. at the tourny, he was wearing navy.

Damn u have pretty good memory for a guy that gets his herb stolen.....

:D

[BillyKane]

Sounds like chunkis.

[N-Ken]

Originally posted by kofiend
white guy with blondish hair, kinda thick but looks like he can goto war in a heartbeat, polite too. at the tourny, he was wearing navy.

Iono, after looking at the www.evo2k.com site, Ryan Hart seems pretty black to me.

[BillyKane]

He's not talking about Ryan...

[Shodokan123]

The characters that are most used, are the best and used for a reason. Yes some scrubs learn to use them pretty quick, because yun, chun, ken are pretty simple. But at compition level they are all even. As long as you can OUTSMART your oponent, with ANY character you can over come them. Simple that game is balanced more then any other ive scene. I love it, but i have just started playing as well. No i dont call my self a scrub, because i do in essence know what im doing, and have an idea of how the other player will react, and what they will do against it. Parrying is key, and scrubs cant parry for shit. Just how u know if they are scrubby or not imo.

[Carnevil]

Originally posted by AMinorThreat
If it was scrub free then you wouldn't be able to play. ;) BUUUUUUUUUUURN!

[N-Ken]

Originally posted by BillyKane
He's not talking about Ryan...

Yeah I realize now that I read it wrong...

[SRWILSON]

Muhahaha or whatver hes called is SUBLIME because hes the only guy who says im mentally disturbed lol plus hes buddies with ssmasters and he knows Arma^ plus he knows Hon and I guess billykane.
Mystery solved !!!!
Oh And by the way Sub next time you wanna act kiddyish at least have guts to do it under yer own nick name.
As for being sad and lonely erm no Im quite happy and I have the most amazing girl in my life someone who truly understands me.
Do not be bitter coz your bird sally or whatever she called kicked you into touch.
If its not sub it will be someone from tosf or maybe E town or Geese or whatever that troll is called.

On final note master of clocks absolutly :D !!!!!!!!!! AND PROUD!!!

[kofiend]

ryan played well, and yes he s black, but i thought the white guy played better.

[Onny]

Originally posted by mwa hahaha
random junk
Ass.

[Arma^]

mwa hahaha:

Hi Martin - you know random trollin', talking shit, and generally lying doesn't wash well - specially when you use a fake name. Grow up yeh?

Maybe if you came to tournies instead of talking about them you'd understand the level of play in the UK. Instead you watch from the sidelines and make comments with no truth, backing or general sense.

Did I say grow up yet?

[RyanTheRobot]

I don't think Yun can be considered with the top 3. He's a different beast.

Yun, Ken, and ChunLI are definately the best in the game.

But the amount of skill needed to use Yun effectively is so far above Ken and ChunLi it can't be compared.

As far as if 3rd Strike is scrub free:
No of course not.

As long as scrubs exist they can play any game. Can they make it as far in 3S as in other games? This depends on the nonscrub I suppose. I think personally the only game scrubs can really get anywhere in is GGXX and 3D fighters. But thats my opinion and perhaps slightly biased although I do like GGXX and VirtuaFighter.

If the "nonscrub" can handle it, they should be fine. If not then they're probably not that far from a scrub themself.

[Zakuta]

Originally posted by RyanTheRobot
I think personally the only game scrubs can really get anywhere in is GGXX and 3D fighters.

No and no.

GGXX is known to be a technically excellent game - as well as being tough to learn and master. Much like VF.

[epsilon_]

It's alot easier to beat scrubs in 3s if you DON'T use top tier. Makoto, Dudley, and Urien are all scrub killers.

[RyanTheRobot]

Originally posted by Zakuta


No and no.

GGXX is known to be a technically excellent game - as well as being tough to learn and master. Much like VF.

Virtua Fighter is very hard, I've played it like twice and was only using it as one example of a 3D game. The fact I can button mash through people who just told me what the buttons were tells me something though. I'm sure an excellent player would tear me up but that wasn't the comment. It was how far can a scrub get, and they can get a win or two in 3D games.

And in GGXX I'd be pretty confident that even the scrubbiest Millia, Sol, or perhaps Ky could get a win or two. I know because I have and thats on rushdown. Pretty much unless the scrub turtles and turtles well they're not gonna get a win. Even with ChunLi she needs to make use of her pokes correctly and throws and links or she's not gonna get anywhere.

Main reason - in most game technicals come at close range or during combos. Like RCs really have no effect unless your being attacked at the same time. RomanCancels and FRomans are only really used during combos, Feints are the same as RomanCancels basically....

In 3S a parry is useful as defensive and from any range. Thus it is in my opinion far more vital. Sure I'm not saying GGXX is by any means a button masher or VF4, quite the opposite I know and I wish I was better at both. But I think at certain levels of play is when close range techniques can really be used.

[Aizen]

What the... GGXX is scrub friendly? Hell no. In its place, I have to nominate MvC2 -- aside from the regular top players, I see hordes of random scrubs play this; something about the game just seems to attract even the folks who haven't a clue about playing any other fighter, but they sure love MvC2. *mashes some buttons and flashy stuff happens* Whoa...that was cool!

[Serpent]

GGXX can be pretty random, thats probably why he said that. Thats why you see the range players place vary so wildly from tournament to tournament. The game isn't as tight as say....MvC2 or ST is.

I think I like CvS2 more than 3s. You know...I honestly don't know. Both games have a lot of shit I dislike. 3s is probably more scrubby than CvS2. For CvS2, you're probably never going to win a tourney by luck. 3s can be decided by luck a lot. Luck is something that is usually associated with scrubs. Therefore, 3s is probably a more scrubby game (yay...deductive logic...if I did that right) Also...there is nothing as scrubby as 3s Chun in CvS2. A good Sagat also always beats a scrubby Sagat. That line of reasoning doesn't put 3s in a better light than CvS2 either.

I'll be trying out #r soon, and from what I've heard, and from the fact that I think GGXX is the best 2d game out there right now, I'd probably consider #r the best/most fun 2d fighter. I've heard they took out a lot of the scrubby/cheap shit. I might actually start playing competitively, and if I do it'll be because #r is worth the effort. I've kinda been off fighting games now for about a year and a half. Haha, word 'on the street' is that I don't play videogames or something.

[epsilon_]

MvC2 isn't scrub friendly at ALL. Like at ALL. Have you ever played anyone good in MvC2 when you don't play it? You get raped for free. It's by far the hardest game for a newbie to get into.

[tsubame]

Um, any elite level person in MvC2, GG, or any combo-heavy fighter will dispatch a mediocre opponent in seconds.

real SF games they tend to last longer.

Tekken they can get lucky

SC/VF usually near-perfects.

[Rioting Soul]

I'm a 3rd Strike noob and I'm gonna use this thread to ask some questions.

How much slower than Cvs2 is 3S? Are input timings the same or do things have to be done a little slower?

How different is supercombo/super art usability in 3s? Can you pass through a projectile with a rush super art or what? I don't recall this kind of invincibility in SFA3 so that's why I'm asking.

What are the properties of red parry, how is it done and what make it diferrent from regular parry(other than making the user bounce back, i think)?

I wanna ask about kara throw/cancel but i know it's already been answered somewhere on this site.

[Aizen]

epsilon_ :

It's a bit difficult to explain. First, what I meant by scrub friendly is that IMO, in comparison to other fighters (i.e. 3S, CvS2, GGX2, whatever), scrubby people seem to have the best chance at doing some sorts of damage -- whether they win or not -- in contrast to other fighters where if they were playing against a high lvl player, they'd get beasted.

Secondly, I think the difference between what is commonly labeled a "scrub" from a "newbie" needs to be made clear. A scrub does not necessarily have to be a newbie who isn't too familiar with the mechanics and technicalities of the game. No, in fact, I know a real life epitome of a "scrub", and this dude has the game, knows setups and combos and whatnot, has seen tourney videos, but still after countless months of playing, he still sucks major shit. In fact, I watch him play and he makes the *same* mistakes over and over, does not pay attention to what's happening in the game, tries repeatedly to use snapbacks all the frickin' time, and overall he has a very pissy attitude whenever he loses. He'd lose and label the other guy as a scrub!! :lol:

Now, a newbie/n00b is not necessarily a scrub (though he could be), but more simply, a newbie is just someone who's starting to get into a game, who isn't as familiar with all the advanced stuff, and ... yeah, you get the point. But over time, with practice and dedication, a newbie can definitely become a decent player, which is entirely different from a scrub (whether said scrub is a n00b or not).

With all that being said, I have played against some top level players like HRyan, and yes, I do get owned for free, but my main point is not so much towards how much more difficult or not it is to become an advanced player in MvC2 than in other fighters, but more so the issue regarding the fact that *scrubs* -- as well as newbies, though that is not my emphasis here -- tend to particularly flock towards this game, and it does seem that scrubs do have some decent shot at dissing out random-dumb-luck-damage than in other fighters. Of course, this does not mean they are anything near the league of the top players nor will they ever be (we're talking of scrubs here, no?), but it sure seems to egg them on, more so than any other fighters.

I hope this clarified my side a bit.

[Instructor]

Shingo theres an arcade close to you in Wolverhampton with some random players. they should suit your level of play.

scrubies can get easer wins against fellow scrubies with these characters because scrubies don't know how to handle thm.

chun li
makoto
yang

i would like to use makoto/yang more against human opponents in London but 99% of players outside of Ranking Battle(standard) do not know how to block. so getting perfects within 20 secs with makoto and yang loses its pleasure since its too easy to win. thats the reason i do not use the 3 metioned above. Dudley has become very popular lately in the troc.

a note to srwilson. another top A3 player told me you had mental problems too a while back. he said you are not as good as arma and ssmasters. could you tell me who is the best out of you 3? please i want to know your honest answer. i actually think that you are a good player coz i've seen a vid of you and ssmasters. but that site has gone down now. and when/if you get xbox live 3s then i want to play against you.

a note to any1 who i played/beasted 2 weeks ago. i have improved 10 fold and i can to do 2 shoulders after ex shoulder with my very new main character urien:lol: this time i'll give no mercy so if i happen to perfect you with yun, ken other. be prepared to get perfected again.

oops enougth waffle:lame:

[Jedi W.]

I was always under the impression that scrub just meant that they did not really know how to play the game.

If that's the the case, no 3S is not scrub friendly, but then neither are most recent 2D fighters I can think of.

3D fighters, imho, tend to be scrub friendly becaause they're easy to pick up and play and you still have a fair chance against someone who has bee playing for a while.

To me scrub is like one end of the spectrum, and a game being scrub friendly or not is determined by the gap in skill level between beginners and experts. Finally, it is also determined by how much the game itself lends towards skill or ease of play.

I guess for me, the most scrub friendly game out there is DOA, and the least scrub friendly is MvC2. MvC2 has some complicated shit, and anybody who really plays this game can at least AHVBx3 by now, which will own most scrubs for free. You can still do decently in 3S (i.e. not get completely owned) if you can just do the simple stuff like blocking and two-in-ones.

--jedi\/\/.

[PROFESSORLESTER]

Originally posted by Serpent
GGXX can be pretty random, thats probably why he said that. Thats why you see the range players place vary so wildly from tournament to tournament. The game isn't as tight as say....MvC2 or ST is.

I

GGXX is not random; its balanced.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by PROFESSORLESTER


GGXX is not random; its balanced.

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the characters used in tournaments placing, which would relate to balance, I was talking about actual tourney player placings. At one tourney, you can see a guy get 1st, at another he could drop all the way down to like third to last. I see that a lot. Ha, since he won't read this anyway....Ill use an example. Konos results vary wildly. Go check up his tourney results. I don't see how skill can change that much. Its usually fairly static, so I'll just have to assume that the game itself is fairly random.

[Singho]

Hi

thanks for all your opinions :D, it was pretty much as i thought that just stay calm and try not to fall into any traps and do somthing stupid, like unleash a Super Art just for the sake of it.

I was playing 3rd Strike against my mate today, and after every knockdown he would either sweep or overhead me with Ryu. After like 2 games of this i kinda got pissed off and thought

"Roight, fuck this shit"

and after every knockdown, used the recovery and start doing it to his lame ass :evil: Sometimes i missed the recovery so it was a 50/50 parry high or low which worked, and eventually he stopped doing it as it was too risky for him (Especailly against Alex's Hyper Bomb) :cool:

I love this game ^_^


Originally posted by Instructor
[B]Shingo theres an arcade close to you in Wolverhampton with some random players. they should suit your level of play.


An Arcade? In Wolverhampton :mad: Oh well...suppose its a good enough reason to go there for once :p Where abouts is it mate?
Birmingham is shit for arcades, there used to be an ace one by the old Bus Depot, but that shit got closed down not soon after Killer Instinct was released on the arcades...like in 1994/1995 >_<;;;

And there is this one chippy that has a machine...SF2 CE...with 3 buttons only and one of the sides cant jump forward. >_<;;;; (and no, i dont go there...chips are good though.)

Xbox live is the only hope for competition for me, so im cramming in practice on the game whenever i can. Like today i finnally kicked the fuckin shit out of my mates Remy...who kept walking back and forth unleashing those Rings of his... so i just parried every one of them, parried that HK of his when i jumped in, threw him, stalked him for a while then did his overhead moves...generally fupped him up big style ^_^ Hugo pwns!

Did i say i love this game? :D

Anyway, quick tip folks...if someone for example has sweeped my ass down, and then proceeds to stay close and either sweep or overhead me with ryu\ken\gouki...can i parry a low move on wakeup by tapping forward? or do i have to time it and tap down? Because at the moment its 50/50 if I can predict what the guy is trying to do, and so end up eating the floor again. :( Even if i block, he counters that with an opposite attack etc etc.

Help appreciated guys.

/me looks at how much i have typed

hmmm better lay off the the Fruity Fanta o_O... I LOVE THIS GAME!

:D

[SRWILSON]

Originally posted by Instructor
Shingo theres an arcade close to you in Wolverhampton with some random players. they should suit your level of play.

scrubies can get easer wins against fellow scrubies with these characters because scrubies don't know how to handle thm.

chun li
makoto
yang

i would like to use makoto/yang more against human opponents in London but 99% of players outside of Ranking Battle(standard) do not know how to block. so getting perfects within 20 secs with makoto and yang loses its pleasure since its too easy to win. thats the reason i do not use the 3 metioned above. Dudley has become very popular lately in the troc.

a note to srwilson. another top A3 player told me you had mental problems too a while back. he said you are not as good as arma and ssmasters. could you tell me who is the best out of you 3? please i want to know your honest answer. i actually think that you are a good player coz i've seen a vid of you and ssmasters. but that site has gone down now. and when/if you get xbox live 3s then i want to play against you.

a note to any1 who i played/beasted 2 weeks ago. i have

oops enougth waffle:lame:

The only mental problem I had is stress from trolls on this forum
Of the 3 of us I feel I am overall the best on 3S, thats also being fair taking into account Arma^ does not play so much now and ssmasters even will willingly admit im the better of the 2 of us.
But Im not a big headed person so you can judge for yourself.
But wait you said a ALPHA3 top player wouldnt be sublime would it? if so ignore him hes a idiot 28 yr old with a 9 yr olds mind. On alpha 3 yes Arma^ is waaaaaay better than me ssmasters is about even with me.
If you REALLY do belive silly things about me having a true mental streak lol then ask shige he knows me and will tell you im perfectly sane. Arma^ and ssmasters themselves would too.
Id look forward to a game with you on 3s sometime man.

Laters

[Zakuta]

I've been to an arcade in Wolves - wasn't a pretty sight.

[SRWILSON]

Originally posted by Singho
Hi

thanks for all your opinions :D, it was pretty much as i thought that just stay calm and try not to fall into any traps and do somthing stupid, like unleash a Super Art just for the sake of it.

I was playing 3rd Strike against my mate today, and after every knockdown he would either sweep or overhead me with Ryu. After like 2 games of this i kinda got pissed off and thought

"Roight, fuck this shit"

and after every knockdown, used the recovery and start doing it to his lame ass :evil: Sometimes i missed the recovery so it was a 50/50 parry high or low which worked, and eventually he stopped doing it as it was too risky for him (Especailly against Alex's Hyper Bomb) :cool:

I love this game ^_^




An Arcade? In Wolverhampton :mad: Oh well...suppose its a good enough reason to go there for once :p Where abouts is it mate?
Birmingham is shit for arcades, there used to be an ace one by the old Bus Depot, but that shit got closed down not soon after Killer Instinct was released on the arcades...like in 1994/1995 >_<;;;

And there is this one chippy that has a machine...SF2 CE...with 3 buttons only and one of the sides cant jump forward. >_<;;;; (and no, i dont go there...chips are good though.)

Xbox live is the only hope for competition for me, so im cramming in practice on the game whenever i can. Like today i finnally kicked the fuckin shit out of my mates Remy...who kept walking back and forth unleashing those Rings of his... so i just parried every one of them, parried that HK of his when i jumped in, threw him, stalked him for a while then did his overhead moves...generally fupped him up big style ^_^ Hugo pwns!

Did i say i love this game? :D

Anyway, quick tip folks...if someone for example has sweeped my ass down, and then proceeds to stay close and either sweep or overhead me with ryu\ken\gouki...can i parry a low move on wakeup by tapping forward? or do i have to time it and tap down? Because at the moment its 50/50 if I can predict what the guy is trying to do, and so end up eating the floor again. :( Even if i block, he counters that with an opposite attack etc etc.

Help appreciated guys.

/me looks at how much i have typed

hmmm better lay off the the Fruity Fanta o_O... I LOVE THIS GAME!

:D


Well you could go to ranking battles in London whicha re held every so often.
Theres a couple of friends I know in Wolverhampton who are pretty good at 3s they have a small arcade near the University but I forgot the name of the street I think it was broad street but don't quote me on that.
Or if your ever in Sheffield myself and ssmasters will happily play you on 3S we like new competition.

laters

[MrQuotes]

Originally posted by Serpent

I think I like CvS2 more than 3s. You know...I honestly don't know. Both games have a lot of shit I dislike. 3s is probably more scrubby than CvS2. For CvS2, you're probably never going to win a tourney by luck. 3s can be decided by luck a lot. Luck is something that is usually associated with scrubs. Therefore, 3s is probably a more scrubby game (yay...deductive logic...if I did that right) Also...there is nothing as scrubby as 3s Chun in CvS2. A good Sagat also always beats a scrubby Sagat. That line of reasoning doesn't put 3s in a better light than CvS2 either.



i dont think the randomness of 3S makes it completely scrubby and all luck... although there are defenitely instances where randomness and luck reigns supreme... example: low parry... they super you get hit... "WTF i just parried, i cant do anything but block because he supered... now i cant punish the parry? *head explodes*". yea stuff like that gets annoying... but i think alot of the luck can be pushed in your favor... educated guesses and momentum you know...

but i prefer 3S over the fact that..... i really suck at CvS2... so sad... mabye ill learn it one day.

[Singho]

Originally posted by Singho

Anyway, quick tip folks...if someone for example has sweeped my ass down, and then proceeds to stay close and either sweep or overhead me with ryu\ken\gouki...can i parry a low move on wakeup by tapping forward? or do i have to time it and tap down? Because at the moment its 50/50 if I can predict what the guy is trying to do, and so end up eating the floor again. :( Even if i block, he counters that with an opposite attack etc etc.

Help appreciated guys.
:D

Come on people, help me out :D or suggest somthing to me :)


Originally posted by SRWILSON



Well you could go to ranking battles in London whicha re held every so often.
Theres a couple of friends I know in Wolverhampton who are pretty good at 3s they have a small arcade near the University but I forgot the name of the street I think it was broad street but don't quote me on that.
Or if your ever in Sheffield myself and ssmasters will happily play you on 3S we like new competition.

laters

Whoa, London is too much of a mission for me, and plus the London guys i know that go there will kick my ass easy the skill level i have at the moment. Although i have improved loads imo, 3 weeks ago I couldnt even parry Seans Basket Ball :D, this game has also helped me to do the impossible too...Parry on CvS2 :lol: So

Stage1: Parry stuff and retaliate =Complete ^_^

Stage 2: Find more competition...locally ^o^

There must be some Brummies on this Forum :D


Sheffield aint too far, so i might hold you to that mate :D ill drop you a pm next time im up those neck of the woods, probably next time my pisshead mates want to go to :bluu: "Kingdom" :bluu: so i can plan ahead and go to sheffield before i go to that shit hole of club.

ta

[SRWILSON]

I don't go to clubs lol but yeah I can vouch kingdom is a shithole lolol full of slappers ah well what can ya do - you only need to look at the clubs site galleries to see this lol.
But yeah hit me up with a pm when ya in the area and mebbe we can sort summet out:).

Laters

[El Carpeto]

There must be some Brummies on this Forum

I'm a Brummie. Well, during term time anyway.

There's a small group of us that play at Bimingham university some nights of the week. It shouldn't be too hard to get you through the door to the guild unless they start guarding it again. Hell, if you've got a few mates whom you can trust not to destroy university property, bring 'em too :P

I'm not as good as the best of London, but I'm at least competent. Though my SF buddies in Brum ain't so hot.


If you get a chance to go to London for an RB, go. It's worth the effort.



And for god's sake don't go near Wolves arcade. S'a sodding bombsite :P

[basis]

Originally posted by Singho


Anyway, quick tip folks...if someone for example has sweeped my ass down, and then proceeds to stay close and either sweep or overhead me with ryu\ken\gouki...can i parry a low move on wakeup by tapping forward? or do i have to time it and tap down? Because at the moment its 50/50 if I can predict what the guy is trying to do, and so end up eating the floor again. :( Even if i block, he counters that with an opposite attack etc etc.

Help appreciated guys.

/me looks at how much i have typed

hmmm better lay off the the Fruity Fanta o_O... I LOVE THIS GAME!

:D

if you KNOW fah sho his gonna attack, then do a wake up move, something good and meaty preferably :D hell.. just do a super. some people say its scrubby, but against some players they think its so scrubby they dont expect it ;)

also you could jump.... i think.

its about what you think the dudes gonna do. press down for a low move on wakeup. if you manage to block, try to get the fuck away, or parry if you think his gonna counter with an "opposite attack"

[Zakuta]

Wolves arcade advertises Tekken4, but it doesn't have it.

TTT machine is fucked up, half the games even work and the 3s cab is ass.

Not to mention the arcade looks like shit and it can olny just cater for 2 players.

I'm like a god in that arcade anyway. :P

[PROFESSORLESTER]

Originally posted by Serpent


I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the characters used in tournaments placing, which would relate to balance, I was talking about actual tourney player placings. At one tourney, you can see a guy get 1st, at another he could drop all the way down to like third to last. I see that a lot. Ha, since he won't read this anyway....Ill use an example. Konos results vary wildly. Go check up his tourney results. I don't see how skill can change that much. Its usually fairly static, so I'll just have to assume that the game itself is fairly random.


Ic but Istill don't like the word random.:cool:

[Ichijo]

Virtua Fighter is very hard, I've played it like twice and was only using it as one example of a 3D game. The fact I can button mash through people who just told me what the buttons were tells me something though. I'm sure an excellent player would tear me up but that wasn't the comment. It was how far can a scrub get, and they can get a win or two in 3D games.

Yikes, don't use that as evidence to make your thesis because it sounds like your friends are scrubs too. Seriously if all you know is the buttons what can you do in VF? PPP, PPK, crouching kicks, sidesteps? Tekken at least has some big king hits which do serious damage if you can time an opening, but in VF a newbie can't do anything. Did your opponents teach you where the block button was because it sounds like they didn't know themselves.

The only real difference between 2D and 3D is it's easier to space your opponent in 2D, and you can't win in 3D if you don't close in to actually fight. But newbies and scrubs don't get wins for free in either type of game. The system has to allow it, not the dimension, i.e. button jagging = flashy moves and auto fire combos types of game like SC2 and MvC2.

[Singho]

Originally posted by El Carpeto


I'm a Brummie. Well, during term time anyway.

There's a small group of us that play at Bimingham university some nights of the week. It shouldn't be too hard to get you through the door to the guild unless they start guarding it again. Hell, if you've got a few mates whom you can trust not to destroy university property, bring 'em too :P

And for god's sake don't go near Wolves arcade. S'a sodding bombsite :P

Oh Cheers dude ^_^. Ill drop you a pm during term time, i got some resits to do mid september, a couple of SF3 battle would be a good wind down after exams...my mates are not trust worthy though. :lol:



Originally posted by basis


if you KNOW fah sho his gonna attack, then do a wake up move, something good and meaty preferably :D hell.. just do a super. some people say its scrubby, but against some players they think its so scrubby they dont expect it ;)

also you could jump.... i think.

its about what you think the dudes gonna do. press down for a low move on wakeup. if you manage to block, try to get the fuck away, or parry if you think his gonna counter with an "opposite attack"

Cheers basis, the super and the jump work fine :D Doh, should of thought of that in the first place :p

/me goes back to practice parrying Chunli Super Art II :cool:

[FMJaguar]

I see that a lot. Ha, since he won't read this anyway....Ill use an example. Konos results vary wildly. Go check up his tourney results. I don't see how skill can change that much. Its usually fairly static, so I'll just have to assume that the game itself is fairly random.

Regional tournaments can vary a lot, when you have 8 people at a similar level it's almost up to the bracket who places where. Also remember most of us don't see every tactic there is to know in XX. Maybe in a few years everyone will know everything, but if you run into a good character you aren't familiar with early in the bracket, your placing might drop a lot.

[Instructor]

yeah wolves is a bomb site. but i went 1 year ago and played a player who i consider pretty good his name is Vince and he like me and Srwilson or any other decent player(RB standard) could give you a new experience called 'brain freeze'.

[Instructor]

el carpeto do you use Oro and Q?

[Broad]

Where are you guys playing in Sheffield?

Im only a 20 minute drive away and the only arcade i know of is the Namco one in Meadowhall.

[SRWILSON]

Originally posted by Broad
Where are you guys playing in Sheffield?

Im only a 20 minute drive away and the only arcade i know of is the Namco one in Meadowhall.


We were planning on playing at my place :) since we can use our own joysticks and I have a good tv :D.
Namco in meadhowhall only has A3 and I cannot be bothered with that.

[El Carpeto]

el carpeto do you use Oro and Q?

I don't use them so much as drive them into the ground. And I've pretty much phased out Q unless I'm messing around.

But yes, I am the idiot who keeps trying to play Q :P

[Rioting Soul]

So at higher levels of play, Q becomes completely useless? There's no way Q can be played competitively?

[Zakuta]

Originally posted by Instructor
yeah wolves is a bomb site. but i went 1 year ago and played a player who i consider pretty good his name is Vince and he like me and Srwilson or any other decent player(RB standard) could give you a new experience called 'brain freeze'.

Vince!

hehe

=p

He can't handle Chun-Li, pick her and you're guaranteed a victory - or three.

RS: NO.

The wolves heads (besides Vince) haven't seen simple techniques before - or known ones rather.

I showed them the ways of parry akuma fireball to super. LOL they almost dropped dead on the spot after seeing it. ¬_¬

[urkangijordi]

I always found that scrub friendly games tend to be games where mid moves hit low and are blocked high as opposed to being blockable high and low. This increases the likelyhood of a random flailer getting an unblocked attack.

In a game like Tekken where characters exist that can be played on 2 buttons, this becomes more commonplace.

Frankly I haven't encounter a single scrub in an SF style game that gave me pause. Special move execution is so important in these games that I don't think you can fake it.

Now people can use annoying tactics in all games, but even the most basic annoying tactic in CVS2 requires a measure of skill and control. You can roll and throw, but you can't consistantly flail roll and throw. It is definantly not like playing against Eddy Gordo for the first time in Tekken 3. That will give anybody pause.

[El Carpeto]

Originally posted by Rioting Soul
So at higher levels of play, Q becomes completely useless? There's no way Q can be played competitively?


Q can be played competitively. Even an average player like me can get a few wins with him. But it's difficult. You have to be extremely good to win consistently. I just switched to Oro because my win record with him is much mush better. And I'm not TK.

Besides, if Q were useless, TK wouldn't have beasted that tournament with him a while back :P

[Ness da Silent]

Yeah I'm sick of bitches saying I only pick Chun-li due to Justin Wong. I've always used her so fuck all of you that think I'm posing as a scrub.

Its a char select not popularity poll! :lame:

[[vince-uk]]

Vince!

hehe

=p

He can't handle Chun-Li, pick her and you're guaranteed a victory - or three.

*Slaps Zakuta with a large b+ :hp: *
The 'flying chun'(tm) doesn't give me much trouble tho. :P

Sticks suck in that dump (practically broken), and the owner doesn't trust me about the quality of japanese sanwa sticks. Don't bother going there.

[glass]

and now, for my daily dose of blatant self promotion:

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69312

[Saotome Kaneda]

and now, for my daily dose of blatant self promotion:

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69312
Haha. Get that shit outta here. =p

[glass]

lol.. i guess the flaw is it assumes that popular opinion actually matters -_-;

[Saotome Kaneda]

Are the Brits done in here yet? Always rollin' up in a nigga's shit, like they run shit or somethin'.


=p

[RaginCloud]

everyone knows that yang is the man in 3rd strike!!!! so is ibuki!!!!!

[RaginCloud]

btw saotome kaneda....im in okinawa japan too so if you want to get your head busted in some capcom fighters give me a holla

[Patester]

UK is a joke, alpha 3 scene here is/was 95% of all players using ken/ryu aism, cvs2 scene is non existent because no-one can roll cancel, 3rd strike scene is run by a bunch of fanboys who despite playing 24/7 still get hammered by any random usa/jap players.

Your best bet is to play cvs2 online against american opponents, you might take a bit of a beating against a few sagats but its better than playing 3s against the ciomputer or going to sheffield/london to play sr wilson and the cornertrap crew.

Whatever you say fuckstick. CvsS2 is non existant cos no-one can roll cancel? Erm sure. I managed to taech a few peeps how to roll cancellin about 20 mins light tuition at Picadilly arcaade. CvsS2 is non existant because few people play it and even fewer arcades have it in. Shit even the cade that i play at has the lamest excuse for a machine in the western world. Either way, your diagnosis of the UK scene is waaaaaay off.

If you ever pass through manchester, hit me up. I'll be sure
to give you a pasting



Edit: Having realised how old this thread is, i'll just pick a window......

[archetype]

Can someone explain to me the randomness/luck factor. I just don't understand it. It seems that people use it as an excuse if they lost. Like "OMG I could have won but all that scrub did was random s.fierce with chun!1!, what a scrub!!"

Also, whats this talk about scrub free this and that? I thought we wanted more players? With arcades basically dead(with the small exception of cali) I always here "damn look at that scrub, can't even block low haha" It seems to me people are mistaking new players for scrubs? Down talking, and crackin on the new players(or newbs as people call them) cuz they don't even know the game engine or systems. Stuff like that just makes me confused. On one hand we want new players to keep this scene kickin but on the other lets talk down to the new players and discourage them. Yay!

Lets get real. If you know anything about the game you are playing ie. systems, combos, glitches...there is NO way you can get beat by a scrub at all. Unless you know less about the game than him or/and your a worse player. And Im going by the definition of a scrub as a person who is inferior to you in a game, also they don't care to learn how to play the game usually does the same thing over and over if it works/damages you.

CvS2 has more scrubby stuff than 3s. 3s has more scrubby stuff than ST. 3d games are more scrubby than 2D its easier for scrubs to pick up 3d games than 2d. Reading this thread is saw some of these sentences and they gave me a few laughs. Whats scrubby stuff in CvS2? C.fierce, RC's, cammy? If you getting pounded by C.fierces and thats all you opponent is doing then he's not a scrub. You just can't block. Simple as that. Getting RC'ed on. Wow I didn't know scrubs wanted to learn how to RC's, don't they think its "cheap". Also, I saw someone said 3s is scrubby. If you are getting beat by a scrub using Chun then doesn't that make you less of a player than him/her. Yes Chun is annoying but Id rather face her than a knowledgeable makoto player.

I don't think I will ever understand all this scrub, randomess, luck stuff. All I know is that If I lose in a match its my fault not my opponents. You shouldn't lose to scrubs if you go by the defintion of a scrub. Scrubby tactics don't work on knowledgeable players. There are "scrubs" in many games. Why would you care if they are playing. We should focus on the new players who want to learn more about the games. Saying game A is more scrubby than game B cuz character A in game A is scrubby than all the characters in game B is rediculous, but its an opinion that I will hear out.

Lastly, looking at the title of the thread the answer depends. If we are talking about an arcade then yes. If you are talking about a tournament then I highly doubt it. But there will definately be no scrubs getting first, second or third. If a so called "scrub" that everyone claims get first then he/she is NOT a scrub.

peace

Sav

[TheDarkPhoenix]

3s ken scrubs> 3s chun scrubs :annoy:

[BillyKane]

archetype = truth

[Arma^]

omg SRK forums! \\o