-- Weightlifting & Nutrition Thread -- v9.0 Optimized

[SNAAAAKE]

why is it I'm drinking like 150-200 gram protein shakes(4-5 a week) and eating 4-5 meals a day and i'm still 6 0' 145?? anything I can do just to gain like 10 pounds, lift some dumb bells frequently, 0 cardio.

well..how old are you mang ? I used to be just like that lol(5'11 and 145 for like 5 years) and now I am 160. all I did was eat 4 meals a day and protein shake after workout. and I did cardio+lift weights 3 times a week.


anyway so whats everyone's opinion on drinking something WHILE working out ? like I noticed random dudes(usually the very fit once) sipping "colored drinks". I am guessing thats creatine or something.

[tech master]

sip on BCAAs during workout or gatorade n stuff with sugars, protein. i usually just take my creatine after work outs. or 5g pre and 5g post

[Biggzy]

well..how old are you mang ? I used to be just like that lol(5'11 and 145 for like 5 years) and now I am 160. all I did was eat 4 meals a day and protein shake after workout. and I did cardio+lift weights 3 times a week.


anyway so whats everyone's opinion on drinking something WHILE working out ? like I noticed random dudes(usually the very fit once) sipping "colored drinks". I am guessing thats creatine or something.

It could be lots of different things. Two that I can think of off the top of my head, SizeOn and Purple Wraath.

Both will be in my next purchase from BB.com, its gonna set me back as I'm buying a shit load of other supps.

[Netology]

I don't think 5 meals is BARELY enough. I eat 5 meals a day plus 3 1/2 shakes. So I guess it depends if you consider shakes a meal.

how the hell is a shake a meal? even if you put two scoops in your shake you only get 240 calories...no carbs and no fat...doesn't even qualify as HALF a meal, plus protein is an inefficient source of energy.


protein shakes are supplements, not meals. unless you're a women trying to lose major weight.

in your case, you should take 2 shakes a day, along with one of your 6-7 meals.

otherwise you'll stay below 150 no matter how hard you lift.


the colored drinks can be a creatine mix, like SizeOn or some stack they're doing...

it could also be Gatorade just to get sugar for energy...

[aiy1tm]

6'1", 185ish. I don't know if this is considered big or skinny. I'm not particularly toned, or very fat.

I work out probably twice a week (weights, I like to do compound movements), and swim about twice a week (1km, average).

My diet could surely use some work, if I wanted to get toned/ripped.

[Biggzy]

how the hell is a shake a meal? even if you put two scoops in your shake you only get 240 calories...no carbs and no fat...doesn't even qualify as HALF a meal, plus protein is an inefficient source of energy.


protein shakes are supplements, not meals. unless you're a women trying to lose major weight.

in your case, you should take 2 shakes a day, along with one of your 6-7 meals.

otherwise you'll stay below 150 no matter how hard you lift.


the colored drinks can be a creatine mix, like SizeOn or some stack they're doing...

it could also be Gatorade just to get sugar for energy...

Hey how bout this. FUCK YOU! Know who you're talking to before you talk shit. Don't tell me what I SHOULD do, until your stupid ass wins the Mr. Olympia contest don't tell me shit.

I take between 3-4 shakes a day along with 5 meals. I weigh 195, so staying below 150 is gonna be tough you fagg.

I guess its obvious why you have those red bars.

[Netology]

Hey how bout this. FUCK YOU! Know who you're talking to before you talk shit. Don't tell me what I SHOULD do, until your stupid ass wins the Mr. Olympia contest don't tell me shit.

I take between 3-4 shakes a day along with 5 meals. I weigh 195, so staying below 150 is gonna be tough you fagg.

I guess its obvious why you have those red bars.


My post is directed at Sainthuey who can't get over 145, not my fault you felt like jumping in with your stupidity, and talking for him.

Hes trying to PUT ON WEIGHT. Hes not trying to lose fat.

Anyway enjoy your meal replacement protein shakes you woman and/or fat man and/or retard (since theres absolutely no reason to replace meals with shakes unless your fat) :)

[Doc Holliday]

Anyway enjoy your meal replacement protein shakes you woman and/or fat man and/or retard (since theres absolutely no reason to replace meals with shakes unless your fat) :)

Totally untrue. You have no clue what you're talking about.

[The Epidemic]

^Which is why you shouldnt take him seriously...ever.

[Netology]

Totally untrue. You have no clue what you're talking about.

(1scoop)-(2scoops) = 120-240calories isn't half a meal, unless you're a 5'0 120 lb man. Or a 5'0 320 lb woman.


shakes don't replace meals unless you put bananas, and oats and shit in them to make them a full meal.

[Biggzy]

My post is directed at Sainthuey who can't get over 145, not my fault you felt like jumping in with your stupidity, and talking for him.

Hes trying to PUT ON WEIGHT. Hes not trying to lose fat.

Anyway enjoy your meal replacement protein shakes you woman and/or fat man and/or retard (since theres absolutely no reason to replace meals with shakes unless your fat) :)

You're a fucking retard. It wasn't directed towards me, yet you quoted my post. Go figure.

[Doc Holliday]

(1scoop)-(2scoops) = 120-240calories isn't half a meal, unless you're a 5'0 120 lb man. Or a 5'0 320 lb woman.


shakes don't replace meals unless you put bananas, and oats and shit in them to make them a full meal.

First off, what exactly are you referring to? MRP's, Weight Gainers, or Protein shakes? They're totally different things.

Protein shakes are typically used before and after workouts. Quick muscle uptake. Eating a MEAL after you work out won't take advantage of the window you have after you work out. It's gotta go through the digestion process which takes to long. I don't know why you'd even bring up "energy" when referring to them because protein =/= energy here. It's used to repair tissue. Muscle tissue in this case. That's why you take them.

MRP's are meal replacements and made for just that: replacing meals and they're not supposed to have an astronomical amount of calories in them.

The weight gainer shakes are the ones that pack all the calories and shit.

Also 6-7 meals a day with 2 "shakes"? What are we, training for Mr. Olympia? No one's got that kind of time unless they're training for it. Even with small meals, 6 is hard to do. Especially when you throw shakes into it.

[fernando's nuts]

It could be lots of different things. Two that I can think of off the top of my head, SizeOn and Purple Wraath.

Both will be in my next purchase from BB.com, its gonna set me back as I'm buying a shit load of other supps.

I mixed those two together intra workout bout a year ago (on CL Green Mag now), an the combo of the two tasted like Lemon Merangue pie, well it did to me anyway.

[fernando's nuts]

how the hell is a shake a meal? even if you put two scoops in your shake you only get 240 calories...no carbs and no fat...doesn't even qualify as HALF a meal, plus protein is an inefficient source of energy.


protein shakes are supplements, not meals. unless you're a women trying to lose major weight.

in your case, you should take 2 shakes a day, along with one of your 6-7 meals.

otherwise you'll stay below 150 no matter how hard you lift.


the colored drinks can be a creatine mix, like SizeOn or some stack they're doing...

it could also be Gatorade just to get sugar for energy...

Its easy guy, Whey Protein Isolate in the morning for those of us on the run, add STEEL CUT OATS, banana, Peanut Butter, or some egg whites if ya want, and there you go.

Don't be a prick an turn this thread into an elitist hate mongering one like every other thread here on SRK.

[Netology]

shakes don't replace meals unless you put bananas, and oats and shit in them to make them a full meal.

Its easy guy, Whey Protein Isolate in the morning for those of us on the run, add STEEL CUT OATS, banana, Peanut Butter, or some egg whites if ya want, and there you go.

Don't be a prick an turn this thread into an elitist hate mongering one like every other thread here on SRK.




I already stated that possibility...and it has no relevance to the argument that a protein shake by itself can replace a meal.




First off, what exactly are you referring to? MRP's, Weight Gainers, or Protein shakes? They're totally different things.

see, you ask this first, before making irrelevant posts.

We are referring to a protein shake.
Protein shakes don't replace meals, they supplement them.

Read what I already said. THanks.


Also 6-7 meals a day with 2 "shakes"? What are we, training for Mr. Olympia? No one's got that kind of time unless they're training for it. Even with small meals, 6 is hard to do. Especially when you throw shakes into it.

It's called training to get results. Unlike 95% of the people in the gym who look the same year after year and just waste money on supplements while neglecting real nutrition.
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Plus if you are a hardgainer like saintheuy you have to eat a lot. 6-7 meals a day is optimal. Protein shakes don't count as meals. My reply was to him until retards jumped on me with misinformation and lunacy, like biggyz.

[Doc Holliday]

see, you ask this first, before making irrelevant posts.

We are referring to a protein shake.
Protein shakes don't replace meals, they supplement them.

Read what I already said. THanks.

I did read what you wrote and that's the problem:

Anyway enjoy your meal replacement protein shakes you woman and/or fat man and/or retard (since theres absolutely no reason to replace meals with shakes unless your fat) :)

The hell is a meal replacement protein shake? No such thing. It's one or the other. Talk in a non-confusing manner if you don't want people shooting questions for clarification.




It's called training to get results. Unlike 95% of the people in the gym who look the same year after year and just waste money on supplements while neglecting real nutrition.

Well no shit Joe Weider. Thanks for schooling me on what the gymrats do and what they should be doing.


Plus if you are a hardgainer like saintheuy you have to eat a lot. 6-7 meals a day is optimal. Protein shakes don't count as meals. My reply was to him until retards jumped on me with misinformation and lunacy, like biggyz.

Hell, we should just rename this thread "Netology's Guide to Weightlifting and Nutrition" since you seem to have all the "optimal" answers.

If someone is working and/or going to school then 6-7 real meals is ridiculously hard to do. That's why there are MRP's. And by the way, you don't take fucking protein shakes with meals. That's the dumbest thing I've heard.

And some people consider protein shakes meals depending on what they're trying to get out of the meal. If someone is already pretty muscular and they're trying to stay ripped while maintaining muscle then it does count because they're looking for protein primarily as opposed to a shitload of calories, carbs, and fat.

[The Epidemic]

^Which is why you shouldnt take him seriously...ever.

hmmmm

[Netology]

I did read what you wrote and that's the problem:



The hell is a meal replacement protein shake? No such thing. It's one or the other. Talk in a non-confusing manner if you don't want people shooting questions for clarification.

It's a problem when your reading comprehension is low and when you jump in the middle of a conversation without knowing what means what.

"meal replacement shake" is my sarcastic description of biggyz idea: his idea is that a freaken protein shake with 120calories can replace a meal...


If someone is working and/or going to school then 6-7 real meals is ridiculously hard to do. That's why there are MRP's. And by the way, you don't take fucking protein shakes with meals. That's the dumbest thing I've heard.

And some people consider protein shakes meals depending on what they're trying to get out of the meal. If someone is already pretty muscular and they're trying to stay ripped while maintaining muscle then it does count because they're looking for protein primarily as opposed to a shitload of calories, carbs, and fat.

I don't care what they are doing or how hard it is. This is the optimal food intake they should be getting. If they can't achieve it, atleast they can shoot for it.


Why wouldn't you take protein shakes with meals?

[Doc Holliday]

hmmmm

Yeah, I can't help myself


It's a problem when your reading comprehension is low and when you jump in the middle of a conversation without knowing whats means what.

"meal replacement shake" is my sarcastic description of biggyz idea: his idea is that a freaken protein shake with 120calories can replace a meal...

Good God. I read the conversation. Read my last paragraph. Not everyone needs an assload of calories. I'm not sure why that's a concept you can't seem to wrap your head around.

[Netology]

Yeah, I can't help myself




Good God. I read the conversation. Read my last paragraph. Not everyone needs an assload of calories. I'm not sure why that's a concept you can't seem to wrap your head around.

You read, but you didn't understand. I was referring to a person who NEEDED AN ASSLOAD OF CALORIES. :woot:


This guy =--->>
sainthuey
"why is it I'm drinking like 150-200 gram protein shakes(4-5 a week) and eating 4-5 meals a day and i'm still 6 0' 145?? anything I can do just to gain like 10 pounds, lift some dumb bells frequently, 0 cardio."

[Noob-NJ]

You should just buy a box of packaged Myoplex protien shakes, dont have to worry about "how many scoops"


And a protien shake is a meal replacement, you dont have a shake and then eat a chicken dinner right after.

Eating 5-6 meals a day is easy, dont look at the word "meal" and think its a huge amount of food.

For example,

7:am Breakfast - 3 egg whites and one serving of Cream of Wheat.

10:am snack - protein bar or shake

1:pm lunch - can of tuna with salad

4:pm snack- piece of fruit

7:pm dinner- grilled chicken with veggies

10:pm snack- protien bar or shake

[Jamerson]

I'm 6'0 and ~197lbs. I am far from ripped or anything, not obese either, but till, trying to cut fat and maybe drop to 180 or so (which I feel may be better for me).

I lift 3 days a week, doing the chest/triceps--back/biceps--legs routine, withshoulder thrown in here and there, and have been starting my regimen with a mile run to the gym, weight lift session, 20 min cardio, mile run to my car. I drink a protein shake with about 46g of protein only after I lift, otherwise I eat about 2 meals a day.

My problem is I still can't seem to "trim down." I don't know if my metabolism is hella slow (I'm 28) or what, but this is one of those things that has been bothering me for quite some time now.

I've studied a little of the whole nutritional aspect to good health and what have you (as part of my training), but I damned well can't seem to apply it to myself when it comes to trimming down.

Suggestions?

[Noob-NJ]

I'm 6'0 and ~197lbs. I am far from ripped or anything, not obese either, but till, trying to cut fat and maybe drop to 180 or so (which I feel may be better for me).

I lift 3 days a week, doing the chest/triceps--back/biceps--legs routine, withshoulder thrown in here and there, and have been starting my regimen with a mile run to the gym, weight lift session, 20 min cardio, mile run to my car. I drink a protein shake with about 46g of protein only after I lift, otherwise I eat about 2 meals a day.

My problem is I still can't seem to "trim down." I don't know if my metabolism is hella slow (I'm 28) or what, but this is one of those things that has been bothering me for quite some time now.

I've studied a little of the whole nutritional aspect to good health and what have you (as part of my training), but I damned well can't seem to apply it to myself when it comes to trimming down.

Suggestions?

To be honest 2 meals a day is no good, you should be eating more, like 5-6.

You are slowing your own metabolism by only eating twice, your body is saying " im only getting food 2 times a day so i gotta slow down and hold onto it" the more often you eat the faster your metabolism will become.

Drink lots of water.

[Ryad]

You should just buy a box of packaged Myoplex protien shakes, dont have to worry about "how many scoops"


And a protien shake is a meal replacement, you dont have a shake and then eat a chicken dinner right after.

Eating 5-6 meals a day is easy, dont look at the word "meal" and think its a huge amount of food.

For example,

7:am Breakfast - 3 egg whites and one serving of Cream of Wheat.

10:am snack - protein bar or shake

1:pm lunch - can of tuna with salad

4:pm snack- piece of fruit

7:pm dinner- grilled chicken with veggies

10:pm snack- protien bar or shake

I wish I could eat like that and gain weight

Bumped my meal intake from every 3 hrs to every 2 hrs... Its very hard to maintain...
already seeing weight gains though... the question is will I see a faster strength gain...

[Soldier Zero]

This thread's going bananas, but I will say is Netology isn't speaking garbage. Real food is the best stuff for your body. 5-6 meals isn't impossible if you plan properly and aren't trying to make meals on the spur of the moment. Take left over dinners and make them lunch for the next day; that's what Lou Schuler does.

Supplements are suppose to support your diet, not become it. There's no need to be taking a crap load of stuff unless you are trying to become Mr. Olympia.

[Biggzy]

It's a problem when your reading comprehension is low and when you jump in the middle of a conversation without knowing what means what.

"meal replacement shake" is my sarcastic description of biggyz idea: his idea is that a freaken protein shake with 120calories can replace a meal...




I don't care what they are doing or how hard it is. This is the optimal food intake they should be getting. If they can't achieve it, atleast they can shoot for it.


Why wouldn't you take protein shakes with meals?

Just shut your fucking mouth you faggot. Please post some pics of yourself. And you'd better be fucking ripped to shit, to be talking all high and mighty like you are. If you are in incredible shape, then I'll stop bashing your fucking gay ass you faggot.

[The Epidemic]

Just shut your fucking mouth you faggot. Please post some pics of yourself. And you'd better be fucking ripped to shit, to be talking all high and mighty like you are. If you are incredible shape, then I'll stop bashing your fucking gay ass you faggot.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Netology]

Just shut your fucking mouth you faggot. Please post some pics of yourself. And you'd better be fucking ripped to shit, to be talking all high and mighty like you are. If you are incredible shape, then I'll stop bashing your fucking gay ass you faggot.


if you get angrier and say more stupid shit, maybe I will..

I'm just not comfortable with the idea of you bashing ur dick to my pics

[Doc Holliday]

You read, but you didn't understand. I was referring to a person who NEEDED AN ASSLOAD OF CALORIES. :woot:


This guy =--->>
sainthuey
"why is it I'm drinking like 150-200 gram protein shakes(4-5 a week) and eating 4-5 meals a day and i'm still 6 0' 145?? anything I can do just to gain like 10 pounds, lift some dumb bells frequently, 0 cardio."

:rofl:

Lovely. I knew you were going to say the 'ol "But I was talking about our resident hardgainer here" yet I'm pretty sure you were making a generalized statement about what everyone should be doing. But then again, my reading comprehension isn't doing so hot.


This thread's going bananas, but I will say is Netology isn't speaking garbage. Real food is the best stuff for your body. 5-6 meals isn't impossible if you plan properly and aren't trying to make meals on the spur of the moment. Take left over dinners and make them lunch for the next day; that's what Lou Schuler does.

Supplements are suppose to support your diet, not become it. There's no need to be taking a crap load of stuff unless you are trying to become Mr. Olympia.

I don't think anyone said anything about supplements taking the place out of ALL your meals. It's just unrealistic to expect a person to eat 6-7 meals without supplements.

And according to Netology, you take protein shakes with meals and 4-5 meals a day doesn't do shit.

[Biggzy]

if you get angrier and say more stupid shit, maybe I will..

I'm just not comfortable with the idea of you bashing ur dick to my pics

Wow man, I've never heard that before. Are you comedian?

And be sure to put pics of your legs and calves, as I'm sure they're outstanding. Ya know, since you eat 7 meals a day.

[Netology]

:rofl:

Lovely. I knew you were going to say the 'ol "But I was talking about our resident hardgainer here" yet I'm pretty sure you were making a generalized statement about what everyone should be doing. But then again, my reading comprehension isn't doing so hot.




I don't think anyone said anything about supplements taking the place out of ALL your meals. It's just unrealistic to expect a person to eat 6-7 meals without supplements.

And according to Netology, you take protein shakes with meals and 4-5 meals a day doesn't do shit.

I said specially for a hardgainer, but also true for everyone else

[sainthuey]

just caught up on last few pages :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

yeah I dunno if it's considered a protein or 'meal replacement' shake, I work at a smoothie shop and we make some protein smoothies(shits like 5-6 bucks for a 20oz but I get a free one daily), I usually just put a bananna + like 7-8 scoops(1/8 a cup, the one you use for coffee) of natural vanilla weight gein(says "whey protein" on it so I dunno if that's good shit or what) + tea spoon of green tea + scoop of yogurt ice cream plus some ice taste pretty good

I usually get up like at 10am, eat cereal(honey bunches blue box:wgrin:), go to work, eat a 6 inch sub @ like 1-2(don't really have time to eat at work cuz i'm working duh) make my smoothie and bounce and drink it on the way home/at home. It usually fills me up really a 20oz gets me full:rofl: so I drink a glass or two of water soon after, then I eat again @ like 5-6pm could be a sandwich and chips or some soup and french bread or w/e is for dinner, then I eat again at like 10-11ish like some rice and meat off the foreman:wgrin:.

I also noticed my weight was like fluctuating a week ago, I finished a footlong(yeah an entire footlong in one sitting:woot:) and I got it up to 149 I was happy cuz I thought I would break into the 150's in day or two FINALLY, then I took a shit went to sleep woke up and was down to 144 so I was HELLA pissed :mad::mad::mad::mad:.

[tech master]

yea, when i wake up im usually about 3-4 lbs lighter than the day before. amazing how much weight you lose in your sleep even if you dont piss or shit in between weigh ins

[Biggzy]

Just placed a pretty big order at BB.com

Got...

Green MAGnitude
Purple Wraath
White Flood
Animal Test
Animal Pak
10 lbs ON Whey
SuperPump250
SizeOn

and got two free shirts w00t!

[tech master]

i'm taking purple wraath, white flood, animal pak, ON whey (extreme milk chocolate), but universals storm not green mag. pretty good stack. just make sure you prepare the purple wraath 10-15 minutes before you take it because it takes time to dissolve.

[Netology]

Just placed a pretty big order at BB.com

Got...

Green MAGnitude
Purple Wraath
White Flood
Animal Test
Animal Pak
10 lbs ON Whey
SuperPump250
SizeOn

and got two free shirts w00t!

or you could have just bought some gear that does work instead of wasting money on gimmicks

oh well, least you got some protein

[HeaT]

(1scoop)-(2scoops) = 120-240calories isn't half a meal, unless you're a 5'0 120 lb man. Or a 5'0 320 lb woman.


shakes don't replace meals unless you put bananas, and oats and shit in them to make them a full meal.

i think you are confused about what "meals" usually means in bodybuilding...usually it is used as a "when you eat" denoter...or a 'how many times a day do you eat' thing...

meal 1 - breakfast = 500 cal
meal 2 protein shake = 240 cal
meal 3 lunch = 700 cal
meal 4 snack = 300 cal
meal 5 dinner = 700 cal
meal 6 protein shake = 240 cal

thats like 2600 calories...you get most nutrion which would be enough from the 4 meals that use natural food...and the other 2 "meals" are protein shakes...

im outi

Roberth

[Netology]

i think you are confused about what "meals" usually means in bodybuilding...usually it is used as a "when you eat" denoter...or a 'how many times a day do you eat' thing...

meal 1 - breakfast = 500 cal
meal 2 protein shake = 240 cal
meal 3 lunch = 700 cal
meal 4 snack = 300 cal
meal 5 dinner = 700 cal
meal 6 protein shake = 240 cal

thats like 2600 calories...you get most nutrion which would be enough from the 4 meals that use natural food...and the other 2 "meals" are protein shakes...

im outi

Roberth


2600 calories if you're dieting, or you're 4 feet tall ---- I'm talking about bulking meals.

protein shakes don't cut it as meals when you are trying to put on muscle.

you can drink them inbetween meals or during meals or whenever...point is, they are too low in calories to replace a full meal out of your 6-7 without making another meal overcompensate and become too large.


im inni

peace

yo

one

outti

sayonara

- netology

[The Mullah]

2600 calories if you're dieting, or you're 4 feet tall ---- I'm talking about bulking meals.

protein shakes don't cut it as meals when you are trying to put on muscle.

you can drink them inbetween meals or during meals or whenever...point is, they are too low in calories to replace a full meal out of your 6-7 without making another meal overcompensate and become too large.

- netology

wow its been a while since i read this thread.

Netology, post a picture of yourself or no one will take you seriously. I see you preching gospel about how much you should eat etc. You need to be less of a prick, and back up what you believe to be sound advice pictures. I have posted pics in the thread already and my old av used to be a great shot

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d138/themullah/flex.jpg

Giving people advice in here is easy, just tell them what has worked for you, what more can you do? No point in telling people they're wrong for soing something different. I train with people who eat 1/4 of what i do, barely 60grams of protein a day and are big (3 plate bench) and leaner than me.

Let me say this as someone who has been fat thin ripped muscular and everything inbetween, if I hit my 1lb of protein per pound of bodyweight, 7+ hours sleep, consistant training and moderate carbs, i will grow at a steady pace.

Right now i'm on:

Meal 1 (7.30am): protein shake
Meal 2 (9.30 am): peanut butter on toast OR leftovers from the previous nights dinner, today was a teeny bit of brown rice and some chicken , maybe 20 grams.
Meal (1pm/5pm)3&4: at work i have a whole chicken and a tub of cottage cheese with 2 brown roll. not much carbs there.
Meal 5 (8pm): protein shake
Meal 6 (9pm): whatever my g/f cooks usually about 40 grams of protein, low carbs maybe a bit of rice the size of a fist.
Meal 7 (11pm) : protein shake

I'm down the gym after work on weeknights, training one bodypart a day and doing 15 mins cardio after each session to lose my belly!

Try not to stress about your eating and training , just keep it simple and consistant and you'll be fine.

[Biggzy]

or you could have just bought some gear that does work instead of wasting money on gimmicks

oh well, least you got some protein

Yeah, I just have this thing about keeping my nuts their normal size and avoiding things that make you prone to cancer. I know it sounds crazy. Anyways, wheres the pics you faggot?

Mullah: You used to be fat? You seem like such a slim/fit dude, I couldn't picture you fat.

[Reckless Fire]

What are some Ab exercises to do with weight? I tried holdinding a weight agaist my chest while I did sit ups on a delcine bench (I felt the weight in in my back) and I ended up jabing it in to my abs. I tried holding it out in front of me to, but then it got to easy and I felt like a tard.

One more question if you are trying to lose weight (not me) do you still do the eat six times a day thing but keep your calories low? I feel like I should know more about how to lose weight. I want to expand my knowlege.

[Biggzy]

What are some Ab exercises to do with weight? I tried holdinding a weight agaist my chest while I did sit ups on a delcine bench (I felt the weight in in my back) and I ended up jabing it in to my abs. I tried holding it out in front of me to, but then it got to easy and I felt like a tard.

One more question if you are trying to lose weight (not me) do you still do the eat six times a day thing but keep your calories low? I feel like I should know more about how to lose weight. I want to expand my knowlege.

You could do a crunch machine where you could pile up the weight. Or hanging leg lifts with a dumbell. Just grab a pullup bar, take a dumb bell and grab it between your feet and lift your knees to your stomach. I'm sure theres plenty others.

If you're trying to lose weight, I think the best thing to do is what you said eat lots of small meals, avoid fatty foods, don't have 2nd helpings, drink lots of water, cut out soda/alcohol, exercise, find a sport you can play with other people or friends. You will drop weight in no time.

*Waits for Netology to post what you're SUPPOSED to do*

[Netology]

wow its been a while since i read this thread.

Netology, post a picture of yourself or no one will take you seriously. I see you preching gospel about how much you should eat etc. You need to be less of a prick, and back up what you believe to be sound advice pictures. I have posted pics in the thread already and my old av used to be a great shot

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d138/themullah/flex.jpg

Giving people advice in here is easy, just tell them what has worked for you, what more can you do? No point in telling people they're wrong for soing something different. I train with people who eat 1/4 of what i do, barely 60grams of protein a day and are big (3 plate bench) and leaner than me.

Let me say this as someone who has been fat thin ripped muscular and everything inbetween, if I hit my 1lb of protein per pound of bodyweight, 7+ hours sleep, consistant training and moderate carbs, i will grow at a steady pace.

Right now i'm on:

Meal 1 (7.30am): protein shake
Meal 2 (9.30 am): peanut butter on toast OR leftovers from the previous nights dinner, today was a teeny bit of brown rice and some chicken , maybe 20 grams.
Meal (1pm/5pm)3&4: at work i have a whole chicken and a tub of cottage cheese with 2 brown roll. not much carbs there.
Meal 5 (8pm): protein shake
Meal 6 (9pm): whatever my g/f cooks usually about 40 grams of protein, low carbs maybe a bit of rice the size of a fist.
Meal 7 (11pm) : protein shake

I'm down the gym after work on weeknights, training one bodypart a day and doing 15 mins cardio after each session to lose my belly!

Try not to stress about your eating and training , just keep it simple and consistant and you'll be fine.


I dunno how your meal plan works for you, but if I eat like that I'd drop weight fast. The guys at your gym could be genetic freaks, or on gear, who knows, I'm talking about average people and hardgainers, not guys who have 20 inch biceps from taking out their garbage.

Also, your routine could work, many routines "work" and many diets will allow you to "grow," but when I say 6-7 MEALS a day and protein shakes on top, I'm talking about eating to grow optimally. This is what pro. trainers recommend.

Lets say you need 4000 calories a day to grow. Thats 7 meals at 570 calories each. A 1scoop protein shake is like 100calories. That means one of your other meals is going to have to be 470calories bigger (1040)...thats huge, and inefficient, it will get you too full to eat your next meal on time.

[Biggzy]

I dunno how your meal plan works for you, but if I eat like that I'd drop weight fast. The guys at your gym could be genetic freaks, or on gear, who knows, I'm talking about average people and hardgainers, not guys who have 20 inch biceps from taking out their garbage.

Also, your routine could work, many routines "work" and many diets will allow you to "grow," but when I say 6-7 MEALS a day and protein shakes on top, I'm talking about eating to grow optimally. This is what pro. trainers recommend.

Lets say you need 4000 calories a day to grow. Thats 7 meals at 570 calories each. A 1scoop protein shake is like 100calories. That means one of your other meals is going to have to be 470calories bigger (1040)...thats huge, and inefficient, it will get you too full to eat your next meal on time.

GOD just shut the fuck up you faggot.

[The Mullah]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d138/themullah/tranform.jpg

Biggzy, as you can see, i've been flabby, built and currently i'm somewhere in the middle. Benching 2 plates aside :( and squatting 3-3.5 plates. Got a little layer on my stomach but it's coming off.

I have a penchant for junk food and injuries so my body fluctuates between being in good shape and shit, but as i get older i'm generally becoming more consistant.

Netology - i'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, i just think you could get your point across as you did in your last post to me without berating people. Oh i forgot to mention i actually splurge on my eating at weekends probably doubling or trippling my carbs, this isn't for any other reason other than i eat healthy during the week so i can eat junk and relax on weekends. Perks the metabolism up so it actually helps me put on size and lose fat. KFC and curries, fish n chips + burgers FTW

I would advocate eating more carbs than i do if you find you're not putting on size AND YOU TRAIN AND SLEEP PROPERLY TOO but i've seen from my experience is that one of the 3 is out of whack.

[Netology]

So you think I should change my approach, not so much what I'm saying, but how I say it?

Ok.

[Truong]

Just shut your fucking mouth you faggot. Please post some pics of yourself. And you'd better be fucking ripped to shit, to be talking all high and mighty like you are. If you are in incredible shape, then I'll stop bashing your fucking gay ass you faggot.

Anybody else seeing the irony in this post? :rofl:

Unless you're in the gym 2-3 hours a day, twice a day like a SERIOUS bodybuilder, I doubt any one of you here actually needs 6-7 meals a day. That's retarded. Your body doesn't need all that much food. You won't be nutritionally deficient because you ONLY ate 4-5 times a day and drank 2-3 protein shakes. That's already an assload of food.

Trust me when I say this, your body will NOT break down and go into a catabolic state because you ONLY had 3500 calories. Fuck that scare tactic shit. You will be just fine.

I swear, some of you are eating harder than you train. Eat whole food 4-5 times a day, and have your 1-2 shakes + creatine, and train with intensity, and you'll grow. It's really not that complicated.

Dudes were getting big and strong decades before anyone knew about all this scientific nutrition shit. You think those poor ass athletes from 3rd world countries who won gold medal worried that they weren't getting 2g of protein per lb of bodyweight or that they did not get their 6-8 meals a day? These guys would be lucky if they got white bread and milk 3-4 times a day.

Stop stressing and just lift.

[Netology]

Anybody else seeing the irony in this post? :rofl:

Unless you're in the gym 2-3 hours a day, twice a day like a SERIOUS bodybuilder, I doubt any one of you here actually needs 6-7 meals a day. That's retarded. Your body doesn't need all that much food. You won't be nutritionally deficient because you ONLY ate 4-5 times a day and drank 2-3 protein shakes. That's already an assload of food.

TWICE A DAY, 2-3 HOURS? Thats overtraining, even for guys on roids with insane genetics and recovery.



Trust me when I say this, your body will NOT break down and go into a catabolic state because you ONLY had 3500 calories. Fuck that scare tactic shit. You will be just fine.


I need 6-7 meals a day. I tried 4, I tried 5, I saw some results, but nothing special.
My friend needs the same.

If you're 6'2 225 lbs, ya 3500 calories won't even cut, neither will 4000....

All the pro trainers recommend this scheme. Am I gonna listen to amateurs on forums, or people who train bodybuilders? Hmmm...

Scare tactic? No, the bigger you get the more calories you need. Thats how bodies works. It's more efficient to split up your meals into 6 or 7 smaller meals.

6-7 meals is the best for your metabolism and pretty much everything else.
Again, you don't have to be optimal, but you can at least know what it is and shoot for it.



I swear, some of you are eating harder than you train. Eat whole food 4-5 times a day, and have your 1-2 shakes + creatine, and train with intensity, and you'll grow. It's really not that complicated.

Until you plateau and realize you need more meals a day, and more protein...etc

[Biggzy]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d138/themullah/tranform.jpg

Biggzy, as you can see, i've been flabby, built and currently i'm somewhere in the middle. Benching 2 plates aside :( and squatting 3-3.5 plates. Got a little layer on my stomach but it's coming off.

I have a penchant for junk food and injuries so my body fluctuates between being in good shape and shit, but as i get older i'm generally becoming more consistant.

Netology - i'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, i just think you could get your point across as you did in your last post to me without berating people. Oh i forgot to mention i actually splurge on my eating at weekends probably doubling or trippling my carbs, this isn't for any other reason other than i eat healthy during the week so i can eat junk and relax on weekends. Perks the metabolism up so it actually helps me put on size and lose fat. KFC and curries, fish n chips + burgers FTW

I would advocate eating more carbs than i do if you find you're not putting on size AND YOU TRAIN AND SLEEP PROPERLY TOO but i've seen from my experience is that one of the 3 is out of whack.

Man the transformation from the first 2 pics to the last pic is insane. Good job Mullah :tup:

[Truong]

TWICE A DAY, 2-3 HOURS? Thats overtraining, even for guys on roids with insane genetics and recovery.

No, it's not overtraining when you've got the proper gear and base your entire life around it, like SERIOUS bodybuilders. Plenty of Mr. Olympia spend 2 hours twice a day in the gym, once in the AM and once in PM. This is the same with Olympic Weightlifters, who work out sometimes 3 times a day, an hour each session, SIX TIMES a week.


I need 6-7 meals a day. I tried 4, I tried 5, I saw some results, but nothing special.
My friend needs the same.

If you're 6'2 225 lbs, ya 3500 calories won't even cut, neither will 4000....

All the pro trainers recommend this scheme. Am I gonna listen to amateurs on forums, or people who train bodybuilders? Hmmm...

Scare tactic? No, the bigger you get the more calories you need. Thats how bodies works. It's more efficient to split up your meals into 6 or 7 smaller meals.

6-7 meals is the best for your metabolism and pretty much everything else.
Again, you don't have to be optimal, but you can at least know what it is and shoot for it.




Until you plateau and realize you need more meals a day, and more protein...etc

I'm well aware of all this. My point is, some people stress way too much on the nutrition part, because they're so scared of going into catabolic or missing the best "window" for feeding, when sometimes the best thing to do is just fucking lift harder with more intensity.

Eating 4-5 meals a day instead of 6-7 meals will not break you. It's not a big deal, is all I'm saying.

[HeaT]

2600 calories if you're dieting, or you're 4 feet tall ---- I'm talking about bulking meals.



thats far from dieting, depending on your height and weight that could be "bulking"...average for a normal healthy dude is like 2200-2400 calories...also bulking is overrated...ive tried it and it did nothing but add mostly fat, same thing with the most of the people that i know who tried it...

also you still have not posted a picture of yourself...we are still waiting...

"I doubt any one of you here actually needs 6-7 meals a day. That's retarded. Your body doesn't need all that much food."

strictly health wise speaking, actually eating 6 times a day isnt retarded and doesnt necessarily mean its a lot of food, if you limited to 2200 calories thats not a lot all your doing is splitting the way your body receives food or intakes that 2200. and actually its much more beneficial and healthy for your body to receive food in short frequencies and low amount...it processes it more efficiently and is easier on your body...

im outi

Roberth

[Soldier Zero]

No, it's not overtraining when you've got the proper gear and base your entire life around it, like SERIOUS bodybuilders. Plenty of Mr. Olympia spend 2 hours twice a day in the gym, once in the AM and once in PM. This is the same with Olympic Weightlifters, who work out sometimes 3 times a day, an hour each session, SIX TIMES a week.

But that's not all year round is it?

As for eating. the 6-7 times a day is optimal, but I don't do it. My days are usually 3-4 meals and a shake after the gym.

[swerve]

About a month ago I was released from crutches and my arms were started to look better and firm up.... well this has caused me to start lifting. I can't really do cardio of any kind since I have to be careful with my foot, but weight lifting is okay.

I have a few questions though. I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol so I just cannot eat anything with protein... and I have to eat egg substitute. So would a protein supplement help? It is very difficult for me to get the amount of protein I need... so I am assuming it will be difficult for me to build muscle after a certain point?

Thanks,
Adam

[Ryad]

I think incorporating low-fat yogurt into your diet would help...

It's a good source of protein, and is shown to reduce high blood pressure and bad cholesterol. Not to mention other benefits like fighting colon cancer, possible life-extending properties etc...

I would talk to a dietician and/or doctor if I were you, though...

[swerve]

I think incorporating low-fat yogurt into your diet would help...

It's a good source of protein, and is shown to reduce high blood pressure and bad cholesterol. Not to mention other benefits like fighting colon cancer, possible life-extending properties etc...

I would talk to a dietician and/or doctor if I were you, though...
Thanks.

I visit my doctor regularly, and my g/f is on her way to becoming a dietitian/nutritionist so she is my main resource.

We picked up some yogurt today at the store so hopefully that will help. She brought the protein idea up... but I'm just not sure.

If I could go full force and workout with the level of intensity that I want to workout at... I would go for the protein... but since my foot is healing still... i'm a little hesitant to go nuts.

[ckrazy]

This video make me not want to eat yogurt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Ouzc5Nn_o

[Ryad]

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=124

I eat yogurt on the day that I work out...
Your body is much more prepared to deal with sugar after a workout...

[Pat the Great]

eat plain yogurt.

[Biggzy]

About a month ago I was released from crutches and my arms were started to look better and firm up.... well this has caused me to start lifting. I can't really do cardio of any kind since I have to be careful with my foot, but weight lifting is okay.

I have a few questions though. I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol so I just cannot eat anything with protein... and I have to eat egg substitute. So would a protein supplement help? It is very difficult for me to get the amount of protein I need... so I am assuming it will be difficult for me to build muscle after a certain point?

Thanks,
Adam

That av is fucked up.

[The Mullah]

About a month ago I was released from crutches and my arms were started to look better and firm up.... well this has caused me to start lifting. I can't really do cardio of any kind since I have to be careful with my foot, but weight lifting is okay.

I have a few questions though. I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol so I just cannot eat anything with protein... and I have to eat egg substitute. So would a protein supplement help? It is very difficult for me to get the amount of protein I need... so I am assuming it will be difficult for me to build muscle after a certain point?

Thanks,
Adam

someone will have to fill me in with how protein is linked to high blood pressure.

low fat, low salt diets reduce BP, you can still get protein in. Chicken breast and fish gotta be good for you right?

Yoghurt as a good food for bodybuilding? i thought it was only good for probiotic stomach bacteria and all that shit. i must of been out of the loop too long

[Ryad]

someone will have to fill me in with how protein is linked to high blood pressure.

low fat, low salt diets reduce BP, you can still get protein in. Chicken breast and fish gotta be good for you right?

Yoghurt as a good food for bodybuilding? i thought it was only good for probiotic stomach bacteria and all that shit. i must of been out of the loop too long

I really don't know how protein is linked to high blood pressure. I dont think that is the case. High-protein diets have been shown to be not so useful for hypertensive people, but I don't think it is because of the high ingestion of protein, rather it is the fact that high-protein diets limit the ingestion of complex carbs (veggies and fruits), non-fact dairy products, whole grains etc... which have been shown to reduce hypertension. So obviously eat a lot of complex carbs.

The yogurt thing makes sense to me. It has a very nice ratio of protein/carbs/fat, has been shown to benefit in other ways (colon health). Just like evyerthing else though, it is best to eat everything in moderation and not to focus too much on one source of protein.

Fish is a great idea. I think you should look into incorporating fish into your diet, Swerve. Salmon and Trout have been shown to do great things for the heart and cholesterol they are great protein sources too.

[Soldier Zero]

Is milk or yogurt better? I remember looking at the nutritional values a while back and they seem almost identical. Anything the label doesn't list I'm missing out on?

[Biggzy]

Is milk or yogurt better? I remember looking at the nutritional values a while back and they seem almost identical. Anything the label doesn't list I'm missing out on?

Both are good. What are you trying to do? I hear milk is good when trying to bulk. And yogurt is supposedly good all around, high in protein, etc. I don't know the science behind yogurt as to what vitamins its high in but just make sure that you get plain yogurt, I prefer Publix brand or any local supermarket brand. If you get Dannon or one of the big yogurt companies, check to make sure theres no sugar.

[Ryad]

Yeah plain. Still has some sugar but nowhere near as much as non-plain.
Plain usually has a ratio of protein:carbs:fat about 2:2:1.

[Hellion]

I had a serious question regarding technique with curls.
I don't know what this muscle group is called, but its at the "base" of the neck, where its connected to the body... near those muscles on the top that are a part of the back I suppose.
I think someone called them trapezoids at work.
Anyway as I go up in weight with curls, I notice that this muscle group, at the base of the neck, is fighting tight. It's not pain I can't deal with, but experience, and people, have taught me that if you're feelin pain, it's because you're doing something wrong.
...
I would imagine that this is due to the fact that the Navy doesn't emphasize "back" exercises as much as it should, and I merely took weight training for the ones we test on.

I suspect that the pain is caused due how quick other muscle groups get stronger with isolated training, accomplished with bench press and curls, squats... while the back is hurting due to dropping behind with "secondary" training gained from "rows," or pull ups/chin ups.

I actually hurt that part once, nearly dropped the dumb bell but exercised enough restraint not to do so in the gym, and promptly took a week off after that. Incident was months ago though.

[TheChosenOne]

Thinking about adding Good Mornings to my regimen. Does anyone perform this exercise regularly? And if so, have you had any problems with your lower back from doing them?

[Ryad]

Good mornings are a great exercise. Perform it properly and you will get great benefits. I do it every now and then, switching from deadlift to squat to good mornings. No lower back pain.

[Silentness!]

Come on you guys need to get PUMPED up. RAWR

*rips shirt off Hogan style and runs outside butt naked*

[Ryad]

Haha. I travelled, so I wasnt able to get a good workout for about 4 days. I hate when this happens, I feel like I am losing strength by the second. I'll be back to deadlifting today!

You know there are numerous TV shows focusing on how to lose weight, and following people that pursue that goal?
They should have one where people are trying to gain weight (muscle) and strength. I would so watch that if they know what they are talking about... I would join it too if I could

[maelstrom218]

I know this must be an oft-repeated question, but I sure as hell haven't found a definitive answer for it yet: how do I get decent abs/6-pack? As far as I can tell--and correct me if I'm wrong--decent abs are based of your food choice (a la David Zinczenko's Ab Diet book). I've also heard that you need at least 10% body fat or less for decent ab definition.

At this point, what I've been doing for the past 2 months or so looks like this:

1) High-protein diet, 5-6 meals a day (I'm bulking up, but I'm careful not to OD on carbs or fatty stuff; I'm at 149 lbs).

2) Cruches (both normal and inverse; I'm doing 4 sets of 15 a day for both)

3) Cardio (trying to stay relatively lean, so 15 minutes of hard cardio every other day)

I mean, aside from this, is there something I'm doing wrong, or not doing enough of? It seems like I've reached a plateau where I see a faint shadow of ab definition, and nothing else.

[tech master]

maybe your'e just not low enough body fat. i know fuckers who never work out, but are skinny as shit so you can see a weak six pack. yes pathetic, but still visible.

work on size by doing weighted situps or hanging leg raises (weighted if you can) so your abs get larger and stick out further making them visible.

[Chaghatai]

No, it's not overtraining when you've got the proper gear and base your entire life around it, like SERIOUS bodybuilders. Plenty of Mr. Olympia spend 2 hours twice a day in the gym, once in the AM and once in PM. This is the same with Olympic Weightlifters, who work out sometimes 3 times a day, an hour each session, SIX TIMES a week.




I'm well aware of all this. My point is, some people stress way too much on the nutrition part, because they're so scared of going into catabolic or missing the best "window" for feeding, when sometimes the best thing to do is just fucking lift harder with more intensity.

Eating 4-5 meals a day instead of 6-7 meals will not break you. It's not a big deal, is all I'm saying.


You are talking about roided out bodybuilders, not powerlifters. To lift for strength and power, one must recover and one must eat big. Too many lifters stall out while trying to follow the latest program in Flex magazine, when those who eat big and lift heavy pass them by.

If you want to get strong - a good start is Bill Starrs 5X5

But yeah, all that manipulation and metabolic windows is such minutae compared to "eat more" and "lift heavy". Get plenty of food, with plenty of protein, get plenty of rest and lift heavy - it's really that simple.

By lifting heavy, I mean compound movements like Ass-to-grass squats (gotta go paralell thigh or lower to "really" squat), deadlifts, Oly lifts. The groth hormose stimulated by excercising such large muscle groups flood the system and cause ALL muscles to grow, even the ones that are passive in those lifts. Bench and pullups have their place also.

But pec flys, skullcrushers, the nancy machine (smith machine), pulldowns, curls (stay OUT of the squat rack!) are movements more suited to a bodybuilder trying to bring out a lagging bodypart than to somoene trying to get strong.

Performance vs. appearence. (heck, even if you want appearence, a lot of the best bodybuilders started out as PL's - Ronnie Coleman, Sergio Olivia, Franco Columbo to name a few)

[Chaghatai]

I had a serious question regarding technique with curls.
I don't know what this muscle group is called, but its at the "base" of the neck, where its connected to the body... near those muscles on the top that are a part of the back I suppose.
I think someone called them trapezoids at work.
Anyway as I go up in weight with curls, I notice that this muscle group, at the base of the neck, is fighting tight. It's not pain I can't deal with, but experience, and people, have taught me that if you're feelin pain, it's because you're doing something wrong.
...
I would imagine that this is due to the fact that the Navy doesn't emphasize "back" exercises as much as it should, and I merely took weight training for the ones we test on.

I suspect that the pain is caused due how quick other muscle groups get stronger with isolated training, accomplished with bench press and curls, squats... while the back is hurting due to dropping behind with "secondary" training gained from "rows," or pull ups/chin ups.

I actually hurt that part once, nearly dropped the dumb bell but exercised enough restraint not to do so in the gym, and promptly took a week off after that. Incident was months ago though.

First, re-evaluate the place curls have in your routine. 2nd - to strengthen your trapezious - do heavy dynamic shrugs or regular shrugs - gotta go insanely heavy though (not deadlift heavy, but yer thinking right if you went there) - they are strong.

Oh and peeps, check out sherdog's strength and power forum - those guys know what they are talking about when it comes to functional strength (as opposed to beach muscles) http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/

This thread has an article by Keith Wassung on trap development

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/freakish-traps-769663.html

[Biggzy]

I know this must be an oft-repeated question, but I sure as hell haven't found a definitive answer for it yet: how do I get decent abs/6-pack? As far as I can tell--and correct me if I'm wrong--decent abs are based of your food choice (a la David Zinczenko's Ab Diet book). I've also heard that you need at least 10% body fat or less for decent ab definition.

At this point, what I've been doing for the past 2 months or so looks like this:

1) High-protein diet, 5-6 meals a day (I'm bulking up, but I'm careful not to OD on carbs or fatty stuff; I'm at 149 lbs).

2) Cruches (both normal and inverse; I'm doing 4 sets of 15 a day for both)

3) Cardio (trying to stay relatively lean, so 15 minutes of hard cardio every other day)

I mean, aside from this, is there something I'm doing wrong, or not doing enough of? It seems like I've reached a plateau where I see a faint shadow of ab definition, and nothing else.

Basically what tech master said. I remember a guy on some weight lifting forums always said "great abs are made in the kitchen not in the gym." That's the truth. So basically you need to have your body fat pretty low.

Anyways, got back to the gym today after taking a couple days off. This weekend sucked, I had some drinks one night and ate like shit two days in a row. I was so not motivated to workout today. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

[HeaT]

you can have visible abs at around 12% body fat depending on body type...

has anyone ever gone through a period in time where they dont feel like eating anything but fruits and juices???

im outi

Roberth

[Soldier Zero]

Only 1 1/2 weeks left of this semester left and then I'm cut off from the gym. The summer will be nice, but I'll miss the convenience of a gym. Lifting in my basement feels crappy now.

[Ryad]

Convenience of a gym? really?

I lift in my basement... how is the gym more convenient?

I am not being sarcastic by the way

[Netology]

you can have visible abs at around 12% body fat depending on body type...

has anyone ever gone through a period in time where they dont feel like eating anything but fruits and juices???

im outi

Roberth


no, that sounds kind of gross

overdose of fructose/glucose

I eat fruit in moderation, and I gotta water down my juices

[Chaghatai]

Convenience of a gym? really?

I lift in my basement... how is the gym more convenient?

I am not being sarcastic by the way

Yep, Oly Bench, Squat Rack + Oly weights ftw. Got those in my garage and I'll never go back to a public gym. Next up: Bumper plates, power tower and climbing rope.

[tech master]

thats exactly what i have. bench with the leg extentions, squat rack with a lat pull attatchment, oly weights and a few sets of DB's.

[Oroman]

I might be posting this in the wrong thread, but how long should I be Jogging in order for my body to start burning off the fat?

[Doc Holliday]

I might be posting this in the wrong thread, but how long should I be Jogging in order for my body to start burning off the fat?

General consensus is about 30 minutes.

Once you pass around 20 minutes I believe, your stored glycogen is used up so that isn't used as fuel anymore.

[Oroman]

General consensus is about 30 minutes.

Once you pass around 20 minutes I believe, your stored glycogen is used up so that isn't used as fuel anymore.

Ok I'll have to start running for 30 minutes instead of 20, which is what I've been doing. Thanks.

[RisingStars]

How effective is HIIT in burning body fat?

[tech master]

well HIIT is probably the best for continuing increase in performance. each time you exercise you're going to be performing better than the last, making it easier to burn more fat calories each time you exercise. more muscle/faster cardio each and every time making you more caloric efficient. its probably your best choice...

[Pat the Great]

google it. it works better than low-intensity cardio.

[Soldier Zero]

Convenience of a gym? really?

I lift in my basement... how is the gym more convenient?

I am not being sarcastic by the way

Well my basement's not great. Low ceiling so can't even do a push press. My small gym set-up is a bench with squat area in the back, but doesn't have safeties. Also my basement's cluttered so I have to make the most of my space.

The gym has a power rack, dip tower, lat-pull down machine, dip belt, and pull up bar. Also the extra dumbbells are nice.

I was considering lifting in my backyard, but whenever it rains I'd be screwed.

[Chaghatai]

HIT is better for fat burning than LSD. While LSD may burn more during the excercise itself, the metabolic boost from HIT far out-paces LSD in total calories burned. After doing HIT, your metabolism is raised for about two days. One burns far more calories during the rest of the day just living than one burns in a 30-60 minute excercise session, going after the big # with HIT is the way to go.

[Biggzy]

HIIT is amazing for burning fat and preserving muscle.

[Soldier Zero]

Doesn't low intensity cardio preserve the most muscle? IIRC, HIIT burns fat quickest.

[kal el]

What are some Ab exercises to do with weight? I tried holdinding a weight agaist my chest while I did sit ups on a delcine bench (I felt the weight in in my back) and I ended up jabing it in to my abs. I tried holding it out in front of me to, but then it got to easy and I felt like a tard.

If your technique is right you don't even have to necessarily use a weight. One thing I do is to visualize my navel meeting my spine to activate my core. Doing this while performing any ab exercise increases its efficacy as you are zoning in on the muscle group --- aka, mind/muscle connection. Having this is much more important than trying to go heavier or trying to bang out more reps but not really work the target.

One exercise that Alwyn Cosgrove (http://www.alwyncosgrove.com/) recommends is a simple stick crunch. You can use a light barbell or as the name mentions, a stick and hold that above you (as if you just bench pressed) as your are lying on the floor. Raise your legs and have your knees at a 90 degree angle. The goal is to slowly crunch until the stick you are holding goes past your knees. Done correctly, this produces quite the burn and will leave your midsection nice and tight.

If you really want a challenge, hanging leg raises is the ab exercise for you. And no, don't do it on a Roman chair or anything that will keep you supported. Just grab onto a pull-up bar and raise your legs. It sounds simple, but it's tougher than it looks/sounds, again, when proper technique is involved. Some guys appear to have no problems doing this because they swing. If you do not swing, it'll strengthen your core like few other exercises out there.

One more question if you are trying to lose weight (not me) do you still do the eat six times a day thing but keep your calories low? I feel like I should know more about how to lose weight. I want to expand my knowlege.

Lowering your calories works, definitely. You still want to eat often, but like your post infers, you'd have to choose carefully what you eat and how much of it you eat. When cutting calories it is important that you do not reduce them all at once as this will cause your body to plateau earlier than it would otherwise. This principle can be applied to pretty much anything you do. You have to ease into a program and not be all gung-ho.

:rock:

[thekidfromLBC]

Ya'll think its ok to try a T-booster? im 21.......and has any one tried 17-HD?

[Team Cable]

I have a few questions:

1) I know some people aren't fans of Muscle Milk Light, but I've been using it for a few months now and I'm seeing great results.

The question I have is should I drink this even on days when I don't work out? I usually drink a shake after a workout, none of this two or three times a day bullshit. So on days when I just do cardio or just on off days should I have a shake anyway, you know, just to get that extra protein?

2) What do you guys do about the marks on your shoulders when you use machines such as the calf raise and V-squat? Any time I use these machines I get these terrible red marks on my shoulders from all the weight I'm lifting.

Any tips on how to avoid this? These are two exercises I really like, but avoid because I don't want those marks.

3) What are your thoughts on fish oil caps? I don't have any diseases or anything, but this shit sounds really healthy. Should I take them (I can afford them, I heard they're really cheap)?

[Ryad]

3) What are your thoughts on fish oil caps? I don't have any diseases or anything, but this shit sounds really healthy. Should I take them (I can afford them, I heard they're really cheap)?

Definately take fish caps if you can afford them... can't really help you on your other questions...

[Pat the Great]

I have a few questions:

1) I know some people aren't fans of Muscle Milk Light, but I've been using it for a few months now and I'm seeing great results.

The question I have is should I drink this even on days when I don't work out? I usually drink a shake after a workout, none of this two or three times a day bullshit. So on days when I just do cardio or just on off days should I have a shake anyway, you know, just to get that extra protein?

yes.

[kal el]

I have a few questions:

1) I know some people aren't fans of Muscle Milk Light, but I've been using it for a few months now and I'm seeing great results.

The question I have is should I drink this even on days when I don't work out? I usually drink a shake after a workout, none of this two or three times a day bullshit. So on days when I just do cardio or just on off days should I have a shake anyway, you know, just to get that extra protein?

Protein shakes are a good in-between meal source of protein. I usually have one 2-3 hours after breakfast (or roughly 2 hours) before lunch. If that doesn't work for you (depending on when you train, I guess), you can have one after lunch and before dinner. For these instances I prefer to use a multi-protein matrix (BSN Syntha-6 is my choice but MHP also has Probolic-SR and Optimum Nutrition now has Nitro Core 24 - http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/nitrocore-24-p-261.html). I wouldn't use any ready-to-drink shakes (RTDs) since they're usually loaded with sugars and hydrogenated junk.

3) What are your thoughts on fish oil caps? I don't have any diseases or anything, but this shit sounds really healthy. Should I take them (I can afford them, I heard they're really cheap)?

Fish oil is an excellent source of good dietary fats (Omega 3, 6 and 9). It's definitely recommended as these good fats are essential for maintaining health and a good metabolic rate. If you don't eat enough fatty fish like salmon, then caps are the way to go.

:rock:

[GRITZ]

General consensus is about 30 minutes.

Once you pass around 20 minutes I believe, your stored glycogen is used up so that isn't used as fuel anymore.

This might sound like a silly question but I ask just in case there is something special about doing cardio that I don't already know:

In order to start burning fat, do you still have to run 30 min total if you run after lifting weights? I usually do my running the days I lift weights at the end of my workout, if I don't work on legs that day. When I get on the treadmill my heart rate is usually between 120 and 110 and I usually do 15 min of cardio. Since my heart rate is up from lifting, will I burn fat sooner or should I still run 30 min?

[Soldier Zero]

Fish oil is an excellent source of good dietary fats (Omega 3, 6 and 9).

Only has omega-3's I believe.

[Doc Holliday]

I have a few questions:

2) What do you guys do about the marks on your shoulders when you use machines such as the calf raise and V-squat? Any time I use these machines I get these terrible red marks on my shoulders from all the weight I'm lifting.

Any tips on how to avoid this? These are two exercises I really like, but avoid because I don't want those marks.


:rofl:

You know, I seriously thought I was the only person that got this but I guess not.

Basically, just do exercised that don't involve pads on your shoulders with heavy weight on it. It's pushing the seams of your shirt into your flesh so hard that it's "bruising" in a way. But I'm sure you already knew that.

Personally, I don't care about the red marks so I keep using the padded standing calf or hacksquat hammerstrength. If it really bothers you that bad, go with a seated calf raise machine, or get under a leg press and just use your toes to flex the weight up and down OR, get under the sqat rack/smith machine, put a 2x4 or something on the ground in front of you to put your toes on and do calf raises that way with the bar just below your traps.

Or you could go with donkey calf raises with a partner:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/donkeycalfraise2.jpg

It is a good one, just don't know how many guys you want with their nuts pressed against your lower back.



This might sound like a silly question but I ask just in case there is something special about doing cardio that I don't already know:

In order to start burning fat, do you still have to run 30 min total if you run after lifting weights? I usually do my running the days I lift weights at the end of my workout, if I don't work on legs that day. When I get on the treadmill my heart rate is usually between 120 and 110 and I usually do 15 min of cardio. Since my heart rate is up from lifting, will I burn fat sooner or should I still run 30 min?

Opinions are going to differ here so I'll give you my take. Typically, you shouldn't be doing that much cardio on lifting days because the two nullify each other. On top of that, I don't know if you're dropping a shake right after your workout in the gym but with 30 minutes of cardio, you got around another 15 to 30 minutes to get your ass to a quick uptake protein source before you start losing your window of quick nutrient absortion.

If you're going to run for at least 30 minutes, then I'd wait until your off your lifting days to do it. Or do HIIT because you don't need to do that for anywhere near 30 minutes if memory serves me correctly. Or just don't do cardio for 30 minutes after your workout. You say you keep your heartrate up while lifting. If that's true, I'd finish off my lifting with 10-15 minutes of slow cardio then.

[Team Cable]

In regard to my questions...

1) If I'm trying to lose weight is it still a good idea to drink a Muscle Milk shake a day? I see improvements in all my lifting when I drink them, but that's only if I work out on back-to-back days.

2) I think I remember using a towel to lessen the pressure on my shoulders. Of course I still do other calf and quad exercises, but I still like these.

3) I think I'm leaning toward fish oil caps. I don't eat nearly enough fish. Any suggestions (especially those that don't taste like shit)? Anyone taking them now? Feel any difference?

[Kzoh]

In regard to my questions...

1) If I'm trying to lose weight is it still a good idea to drink a Muscle Milk shake a day? I see improvements in all my lifting when I drink them, but that's only if I work out on back-to-back days.

2) I think I remember using a towel to lessen the pressure on my shoulders. Of course I still do other calf and quad exercises, but I still like these.

3) I think I'm leaning toward fish oil caps. I don't eat nearly enough fish. Any suggestions (especially those that don't taste like shit)? Anyone taking them now? Feel any difference?

put them in the freezer to avoid fish burps and they don't really taste like anything

[Doc Holliday]

In regard to my questions...


2) I think I remember using a towel to lessen the pressure on my shoulders. Of course I still do other calf and quad exercises, but I still like these.



Then yes, get under the barbell in the squat rack and do them that way. Use a rolled up towel around the bar. I used to do that as well but totally forgot about it.

[kal el]

In regard to my questions...

1) If I'm trying to lose weight is it still a good idea to drink a Muscle Milk shake a day? I see improvements in all my lifting when I drink them, but that's only if I work out on back-to-back days.

What's on Muscle Milk's label?

When trying to lose and/or regulate weight/fat, you want to stay away from items that have a lot of sugars.

Ok, so I just went on to CytoSport's website and Muscle Milk stacks comparably to BSN Syntha-6, which is what I take as a source of protein when it's snack time or even post-workout. In the carb and sugar department, Muscle Milk is actually better off than Syntha-6 since it has less per 2 scoops.

I mentioned previously that RTDs aren't to my liking but the Muscle Milk RTDs look like they're actually good. They have relatively low fat and have lower sugar content than the norm.

The bottom line is, you want your body to have different sources of protein spread out through the day. Muscle is the body's hungriest tissue group and muscles are fed with protein. That definitely doesn't mean that you have to ingest protein drink after protein drink, but eating nothing but chicken breasts all day won't do you good either. The different types of protein found in products such as CytoSport's Muscle Milk (among others) all have different absorption rates and each protein contributes to building lean body mass in a slightly different capacity.

:rock:

[Soldier Zero]

3) I think I'm leaning toward fish oil caps. I don't eat nearly enough fish. Any suggestions (especially those that don't taste like shit)? Anyone taking them now? Feel any difference?

Go for it. I tried the ones from GNC and now I'm using the ones from Optimum Nutrition. When those run out, I'm gonna order my next batch from trueprotein.com since it's a lot cheaper.

I'm not sure about feeling any differences because the effects most likely occurred gradually. I bet I'd see a few changes if I suddenly quit consuming them.

[ATM SPIDERTAO]

okay so I"VE got a question. i was trying to lose some weight about 3-4 weeks ago cuz i noticed i was getting really chubby in pictures. i was 6'1" and 223 poundsish.... so i cut out all pop from my diet (i drink about 2 bottles of pop a day) and started incorporating an ab routine into my workouts in the gym. NOW, i've lost a good 10 pounds and my face and stomach have really been reduced in visible fat. i've never had a six pack EVER and i've always been flabby around the mid section, but not so much my FACE. anyways, i'm wondering if the weight i've lost is ONLY attributed to me cutting out all that POP which i fucking LOVE. or is it a combination of me also doing a body part that i've always neglected (my stomach) and if doing crunches etc can actually help me lose body fat around my stomach area like those infomercials?

cuz i'm thinking that you lose body fat when your body is burning up calories etc. and increasing abdominal muscles only makes them buff UNDERNEATH the flab. but like... these results are pretty good! right now, my stomach looks like tim sylvia's stomach hahaha which is a lot better cuz it used to look i dunno a LOT worse hehehehehe!

[kal el]

I'm not sure about feeling any differences because the effects most likely occurred gradually. I bet I'd see a few changes if I suddenly quit consuming them.

Agreed.

Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs) aren't something that, when taken, cause you to all of a sudden feel different. Don't let that be a cause for you to not take them, however, since they are still required by your body to function at a higher level. Think of them in the same way as the essential amino acids such as Lysine, Valine or Isoleucine, et al. They are "essential" because the human body cannot produce them. EFAs are akin to this. Our bodies do not produce these (EFAs) naturally and that is why consuming fatty fish (or, as in the case with most of us, fish oil caps) is integral to maintaining good health.

:rock:

[kal el]

okay so I"VE got a question. i was trying to lose some weight about 3-4 weeks ago cuz i noticed i was getting really chubby in pictures. i was 6'1" and 223 poundsish.... so i cut out all pop from my diet (i drink about 2 bottles of pop a day) and started incorporating an ab routine into my workouts in the gym. NOW, i've lost a good 10 pounds and my face and stomach have really been reduced in visible fat. i've never had a six pack EVER and i've always been flabby around the mid section, but not so much my FACE. anyways, i'm wondering if the weight i've lost is ONLY attributed to me cutting out all that POP which i fucking LOVE. or is it a combination of me also doing a body part that i've always neglected (my stomach) and if doing crunches etc can actually help me lose body fat around my stomach area like those infomercials?

cuz i'm thinking that you lose body fat when your body is burning up calories etc. and increasing abdominal muscles only makes them buff UNDERNEATH the flab. but like... these results are pretty good! right now, my stomach looks like tim sylvia's stomach hahaha which is a lot better cuz it used to look i dunno a LOT worse hehehehehe!

Tao Pow,

You're right in that doing ab work makes your abs stronger and more conditioned but if your body fat levels are still somewhat high, then your abs will not be visible. Everyone has a 6 (or 8) pack --- they're just not seen due to the aforementioned body fat that's enveloping them.

Words to live by: Abs (the visible kind) are made in the kitchen

That being said, this doesn't mean that we should neglect ab work. Overall strength as well as good posture are all attributed to a strong, stable core. When I started lifting one of the gym rats that I would ask for advice always told me that if your midsection is strong, you will be able to lift heavier.

I took his advice and I'm all the better for it.

:rock:

[Doc Holliday]

Muscle Milk sux. That is all. And it's just my opinion. Too many shitty things included in it.



Go for it. I tried the ones from GNC and now I'm using the ones from Optimum Nutrition. When those run out, I'm gonna order my next batch from trueprotein.com since it's a lot cheaper.

I'm not sure about feeling any differences because the effects most likely occurred gradually. I bet I'd see a few changes if I suddenly quit consuming them.

ON is godlike. I took their creatine monohydrate YEARS ago and it was easily the best creatine I've ever used. Because of that, I'm using their Gold Standard 100% Whey and it rocks. Best protein I've ever taken. ON has "no-fluff" products imo.

[fredelza]

hi

do i necessarily need to take the fish oil caps? are they expensive. since i am restarting my smaller portions on food and drinking more water and also starting to do small workouts at home since i cant afford gym membership at the moment.
how much would i benefit from them in this type of list i just mentioned if at all. thank you

[kal el]

hi

do i necessarily need to take the fish oil caps? are they expensive. since i am restarting my smaller portions on food and drinking more water and also starting to do small workouts at home since i cant afford gym membership at the moment.
how much would i benefit from them in this type of list i just mentioned if at all. thank you

While fish oil caps themselves aren't a necessity, EFAs are. EFAs stand for Essential Fatty Acids. The reason I say that the caps aren't necessary is because you can get more than your fair share of EFAs from food. Excellent sources are as follows: fish, shellfish, flaxseed, sunflower seeds. There are more but those are some of the most common.

Before supplements took center stage (as is the case today), fitness buffs relied solely on diet to get in shape. This, I believe, is something that should be kept in practice as there are so many today who think that by taking some supplement they'll instantly achieve whatever goal it is they have. Don't get me wrong, supplements do help (heck, that's why they're called supplements) but having a good diet is even more important.

If you're reducing your portions and starting to exercise, that's good. That is, since you seem to imply that you haven't really done this sort of thing before. If that is the case, then just keep on your path. Getting fit, getting stronger, bigger, leaner, etc., isn't a quick fix.

Now concerning what you eat, my recommendation is to always consume lean protein. Protein is the building block of muscle and the more lean body mass you have, the more fat you'll be able to burn. You can take your pick from chicken or turkey (white meat), fish (salmon, tuna are examples), lean cuts of beef, egg whites, etc. With carbohydrates, it's much better for you to consume low glycemic carbs as these give you fuel for an extended period of time. Examples of these are whole grains (wheat, oats and barley). If you like rice, try to have brown rice instead of white. Post-workout, however, it is definitely recommended that you consume carbs that are higher on the glycemic index. That is pretty much the only time your body can make efficient use of that type of carbohydrate.

Once you get in the habit of working out and eating what's good for you all the time, you can think of stepping it up and setting some money aside to get into a gym.

:rock:

[Pat the Great]

hi

do i necessarily need to take the fish oil caps? are they expensive. since i am restarting my smaller portions on food and drinking more water and also starting to do small workouts at home since i cant afford gym membership at the moment.
how much would i benefit from them in this type of list i just mentioned if at all. thank you

start with step one: eat clean (http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/7habits.htm is a good start).

once you've made some good progress on step one, on to step two: work out (http://www.rosstraining.com/ is a good source for inspiration, both the articles and the forums).

finally, step three: get a motherfuckin' job so you can afford better food, a gym membership, supplements, whatever. all of that stuff is kind of a waste if you're not already at the point where you can do okay with step 1 and 2.

[Soldier Zero]

hi

do i necessarily need to take the fish oil caps? are they expensive. since i am restarting my smaller portions on food and drinking more water and also starting to do small workouts at home since i cant afford gym membership at the moment.
how much would i benefit from them in this type of list i just mentioned if at all. thank you

Don't reduce portions. If you're weight training, your muscles are going to need the energy to repair themselves and grow bigger & stronger. Rather than eating less, eat healthier. The first link Pat the Great cites is a good idea of how you should base your meals.

Fish oil isn't something you have to take, but it is good for you. I've heard you could buy cheap from wholesale places such as Costco or BJs. If you want to order online, trueprotein.com has 1000 capsules for a decent price. Bodybuilding.com has smaller volumes from different brands for cheap as well.

[Aoishi2AL]

I take arimatest to work out. It's a brand of testosterone.

Is taking testosterone recommended? I can bench around 140, I'm trying to at least move up to 180.

I also take two hydroxycut hardcores in the morning in order to cut out that extra fat and make my abs visible.

I also drink creatine everyone now and then.

Any negative comments on these.

[kal el]

I take arimatest to work out. It's a brand of testosterone.

Is taking testosterone recommended? I can bench around 140, I'm trying to at least move up to 180.

I also take two hydroxycut hardcores in the morning in order to cut out that extra fat and make my abs visible.

I also drink creatine everyone now and then.

Any negative comments on these.

I've taken testosterone amplifiers and I can attest to the fact that they do work. It's not something I rely on so I can't really comment on what brand is best.

That being said, I'm not so sure taking a test booster, a fat burner and creatine together is a good idea. For one, fat burners (which almost always contain some caffeine) and creatine cancel each other out.

As far as taking creatine is concerned, if you're going to use it, don't use it "every now and then." Creatine works best when taken daily for a specific period of time and then you go off it also for a specific period of time.

I've tried lots of different brands of creatine (esterified and the original monohydrate version) and the only one that I can say has really worked for me is CellMass by BSN.

:rock:

[Ryad]

I wouldn't recommend taking gear, especially if you are new to weightlifting...
You can go 140 to 180 with ease without gear if you remain consistent and continue to lift heavy...
I went from 120 to 190 without it so far and still making gains...


A question about fish oil for those who are ingesting...
I am currently taking NutraSea FishOil... and it says that once you open it you have to keep it refrigerated and you have to consume it before 90 days... When I am close to finishing it (which usually takes me a month) I notice that something starts to precipitate at the bottom, and when I shake it, the whole solution becomes a milky liquid rather than the normal clear liquid... anyone know what the hell that is about? Is it safe consume?

[Aoishi2AL]

I've taken testosterone amplifiers and I can attest to the fact that they do work. It's not something I rely on so I can't really comment on what brand is best.

That being said, I'm not so sure taking a test booster, a fat burner and creatine together is a good idea. For one, fat burners (which almost always contain some caffeine) and creatine cancel each other out.

As far as taking creatine is concerned, if you're going to use it, don't use it "every now and then." Creatine works best when taken daily for a specific period of time and then you go off it also for a specific period of time.

I've tried lots of different brands of creatine (esterified and the original monohydrate version) and the only one that I can say has really worked for me is CellMass by BSN.

:rock:

Ok. I take the fat burners to cut the fat and try to keep the muscle gained by the creatine.

I want to gain muscle, but I also want to be able to run at good speeds. I heard that the more muscle you have, the harder it is to move quickly, i.e. run two miles.

good stuff.

[Soldier Zero]

Ok. I take the fat burners to cut the fat and try to keep the muscle gained by the creatine.

I want to gain muscle, but I also want to be able to run at good speeds. I heard that the more muscle you have, the harder it is to move quickly, i.e. run two miles.

good stuff.

Unless you're that jacked and diesel, I don't think having/gaining muscle is a problem. In fact, I bet strong legs would be even more helpful in running.

[tech master]

football players man. good proof that you can be buff and big as shit while still running hella fast. its just dependent on how you train your cardio

[fredelza]

thanks guys, really useful information from the posts. ill get into the links right now, thanks pat.

yea i live near a big circle great for jogging, but i have no pattern for the work out and make everything better. how long should it be for the best timing and increasing the round i go around? im thinking of running once around a day, then after a week or two increase it by 1.

my last question for now. i went into a local vitamin shop. i saw fat burners, i felt guilty by looking at them. but can i take them to help me? i also saw many protein powders also interested in those also.
thanks guys!

[Biggzy]

thanks guys, really useful information from the posts. ill get into the links right now, thanks pat.

yea i live near a big circle great for jogging, but i have no pattern for the work out and make everything better. how long should it be for the best timing and increasing the round i go around? im thinking of running once around a day, then after a week or two increase it by 1.

my last question for now. i went into a local vitamin shop. i saw fat burners, i felt guilty by looking at them. but can i take them to help me? i also saw many protein powders also interested in those also.
thanks guys!

I would stay away from fat burners. Its for pussies/lazy people and speeds up your heart rate at rest, gives you random sweats, etc. Just do cardio and watch what you eat if you wanna get trim.

[denjin]

1. I was told that 15 minutes of jogging in the morning and 15 at night are WAY better than 30 total. Is this true?

2. Everyone says don't run as well as work out "on the same day"/"at all," but this is only when you're trying to build muscle right? If you're trying to burn fat / lose weight / pull some "muscle confusion" then it doesn't matter / might be better for you, right?

[Aoishi2AL]

1. I was told that 15 minutes of jogging in the morning and 15 at night are WAY better than 30 total. Is this true?

2. Everyone says don't run as well as work out "on the same day"/"at all," but this is only when you're trying to build muscle right? If you're trying to burn fat / lose weight / pull some "muscle confusion" then it doesn't matter / might be better for you, right?

Shin splints. Your legs to rest man. If you need to do cardio run once a day and then got on a bicycle or elliptical machine at night.

Your legs will gradually get accustommed to the stress.

If you try running like that you can hurt yourself.

[denjin]

Hm...perhaps I meant "jogging." (Not to be a wise-ass, but I don't mean anything TOO stressful.)

I'm essentially new to running.

How's this:
http://www.newrunner.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-261--2201-2-2X3X6-4,00.html

[HeaT]

okay so I"VE got a question. i was trying to lose some weight about 3-4 weeks ago cuz i noticed i was getting really chubby in pictures. i was 6'1" and 223 poundsish.... so i cut out all pop from my diet (i drink about 2 bottles of pop a day) and started incorporating an ab routine into my workouts in the gym. NOW, i've lost a good 10 pounds and my face and stomach have really been reduced in visible fat. i've never had a six pack EVER and i've always been flabby around the mid section, but not so much my FACE. anyways, i'm wondering if the weight i've lost is ONLY attributed to me cutting out all that POP which i fucking LOVE. or is it a combination of me also doing a body part that i've always neglected (my stomach) and if doing crunches etc can actually help me lose body fat around my stomach area like those infomercials?

cuz i'm thinking that you lose body fat when your body is burning up calories etc. and increasing abdominal muscles only makes them buff UNDERNEATH the flab. but like... these results are pretty good! right now, my stomach looks like tim sylvia's stomach hahaha which is a lot better cuz it used to look i dunno a LOT worse hehehehehe!

its because you cut out the pop, the probability of you losing 10lbs from doing crunches is unlikely...2 bottles of pop is a shit load of excess empty calories a day, so cutting that out you would lose weight...

im outi

Roberth

[AcEtUrNeDjOkEr]

Got a question/concern

I got this friend, who I am overly concerned with his weight among other things. How do you break it to him that he might need to start working out? How do you motivate him to get into either a gym or court (he used to ball back in the day)? Anyone else have the same concerns?

[Pat the Great]

i just straight up showed my buddy a picture of himself from four years ago and showed him how much weight he gained. that gave him the initial motivation.

if you really want him to follow through, though, you gotta be there for him. show him what to do at the gym, show him how to set goals, show him how to change his diet for the better, and hope he likes it enough to stick.

most people gotta find a reason to be healthy, because they're too lazy to bother with it otherwise.

[Biggzy]

Got a question/concern

I got this friend, who I am overly concerned with his weight among other things. How do you break it to him that he might need to start working out? How do you motivate him to get into either a gym or court (he used to ball back in the day)? Anyone else have the same concerns?

Theres only so much you can do for someone like that. Chances are they're aware that they're heavy/gained weight, but aren't ready or willing to do anything about it. People have a hard time understanding that working out and eating healthy is a lifestyle change, not something you can do for a week or two and say you're done.

So unless he's willing to change his lifestyle, theres not a whole lot you can do.

2 quick stories

1) My brother has a friend who's gonna be turning 30 next year, this dude was athletic in high school, played baseball, etc. He was like 6'2 maybe 170lbs. Now he's 6'2 somewhere in the range of 400lbs. He eats and sleeps right after, eats mozzarella sticks and fries whenever we go out and is literally killing himself. Thank god next month hes having a gastric band operation, but still. His way of life is going to have to change to keep that weight off.

2) I used to be pretty heavy. About 4 years ago, I was eating 2 meals a day both were fast food and I would eat ALOT. I calculated it the other day, I was eating 2800 calories and like 180g of fat in ONE MEAL. It was ridiculous. I was 5'8 weighing 250 lbs. I literally felt like complete shit all the time, until right after I ate. It was exactly like the dude on Super Size Me, no joke. So one day I got fed up with it and how I looked and decided to start working out with my friend GRITZ. After a few months I started feeling a little better and wasn't looking as fat. 4 years later I'm 5'8 195lbs and think I have some pretty good size. I now workout about 5 days a week, about 2 hour sessions. When I don't go I feel like shit, but obviously you need some time off.

The other day I was looking at some old pics from a Christmas a few years ago and the change is dramatic. Once I lose a little more fat and gain some more size I'll post some before and after pics.

But anyways, my point is, you have to make this a mandatory thing in your life. It doesn't have to be weightlifting, but some kind of exercise and be aware of what you're putting into your body. If you look at eating as nutrients for your body, and that is WHY you're eating, then eating those fries or chips comes a little easier to resist, at least for me.

Anyways, I hope this was of some help to SRK.

[denjin]

Why do my questions fuckin' appear on the BOTTOM of pages...

1. I was told that 15 minutes of jogging in the morning and 15 at night are WAY better than 30 total. Is this true?

2. Everyone says don't run as well as work out "on the same day"/"at all," but this is only when you're trying to build muscle right? If you're trying to burn fat / lose weight / pull some "muscle confusion" then it doesn't matter / might be better for you, right?

Anyway:
Got a question/concern

I got this friend, who I am overly concerned with his weight among other things. How do you break it to him that he might need to start working out? How do you motivate him to get into either a gym or court (he used to ball back in the day)? Anyone else have the same concerns?

Make it fun. Don't lecture him about dying young (true, but it doesn't work unless he's like that). Bring some girls to the court, even if he doesn't get a lot of exercise out of it, it'll remind him how fun it is. The Embarassment Factor® may or may not be an issue. If it is, you can skip the girls and just be a good friend. Again, no lectures on dying young / health problems.

[Truong]

Bunch of girly ass advice. Man up and make fun of your boy. Call him a fat bitch. And tell him that even you, as a friend, thinks of him as that, so imagine what others think of him everyday.

But for real, most people I know who let themselves go, don't care what others think. It's like they've completely given up on themselves, and others. No matter what anyone says, they refuse to change their lifestyle. People think it's lack of motivation, but if the prospect looking good, getting pussy and living a healthier life don't motivate you, then what will?

I have a friend who's pretty fat, and delusional. This guy doesn't give a fuck, he's out partying 5 days a week and wears the tightest shirt and the girls literally have a nickname for him Fat David. He doesn't care. You know what's his excuse? "I'd rather be fat than skinny". These people will do anything and say anything to convince themselves otherwise.

So, honestly, no amount of advice will do it. In the end, it's up to the individual. They're like chronic smokers. Some will never quit, and some will only in the face of those "OH SHIT" moment such as cancer and other lung diseases. And by then it's too late.

[Mr. Bastos]

Bunch of girly ass advice. Man up and make fun of your boy. Call him a fat bitch. And tell him that even you, as a friend, thinks of him as that, so imagine what others think of him everyday.

But for real, most people I know who let themselves go, don't care what others think. It's like they've completely given up on themselves, and others. No matter what anyone says, they refuse to change their lifestyle. People think it's lack of motivation, but if the prospect looking good, getting pussy and living a healthier life don't motivate you, then what will?

I have a friend who's pretty fat, and delusional. This guy doesn't give a fuck, he's out partying 5 days a week and wears the tightest shirt and the girls literally have a nickname for him Fat David. He doesn't care. You know what's his excuse? "I'd rather be fat than skinny". These people will do anything and say anything to convince themselves otherwise.

So, honestly, no amount of advice will do it. In the end, it's up to the individual. They're like chronic smokers. Some will never quit, and some will only in the face of those "OH SHIT" moment such as cancer and other lung diseases. And by then it's too late.

I think I would agree. I let myself go for a while, but I always had it in me to lose weight I just needed a push. For me it was seeing all the diabetes problems and stuff in my family and realizing that I am too young to be as big as I was(well there isn't an age to be that big) and I just didn't wanna have all kinds of problems as I grow up.

But I also have a friend who is like 420 or 410. He's a tall guy, but still really huge. Like 6XL shirt huge, doesn't wear socks cuz he can't reach down there and shit. he just doesn't give a fuck. his excuse is "why bother? I'll just gain it back twice as fast." I never understood that logic. it's like saying why take a shower when you're just going to get dirty again. Oh well. I did manage to get him in the gym after he saw me starting to lose weight, but he only went a few times and then stopped. besides he liked to visit our friend and get a fat ass thing of coldstone on workouts days.. wtf?!?

In the end no one but yourself can get you in the gym...

[HeaT]

1. I was told that 15 minutes of jogging in the morning and 15 at night are WAY better than 30 total. Is this true?

2. Everyone says don't run as well as work out "on the same day"/"at all," but this is only when you're trying to build muscle right? If you're trying to burn fat / lose weight / pull some "muscle confusion" then it doesn't matter / might be better for you, right?

i dont know anything about #1. theres some knowledge around about what working out does or how it helps/does not help at certain times of the day, but i dont remember anything specifically to drop knowledge on that...

#2, i think it is ok to workout and run on the same day. if you want to stay j